2001 game accurately predicted this cursed timeline we're in
DIDJU RIKE IT?
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2001 game accurately predicted this cursed timeline we're in. DIDJU RIKE IT?
Oh you're a Kojima fan? List everything he predicted would happen.
2>1>3
Yeah I said it.
This, the bosses in 3 were crinfe as frick
True, but Vamp is the only good boss in 2.
definitely the weakest part of MGS3
not only that, but the cutscenes were stale, all dialogue was generic and felt that they didn’t write a conversation but just singular lines and then put them together
MGS2 has fantastic engaging cutscenes, codec calls and dialogue in general. I know them all by heart yet I can’t skip anything despite replaying the game countless times. Also the music and SFX are the best
Ironically the game where everybody complained that there’s no Snake actually had the best Snake
>the bosses in 3 were crinfe as frick
>but not the bosses in 2
>2001 game accurately predicted this cursed timeline
No. It was criticizing the culture of Japan in the Y2K years, where shit like forums, image boards and chatrooms were already a common thing, and already spreading misinformation and cherry-picked opinions.
Burgers THINK that this shit was some kind of profound prediction, because they only got their first social media counterparts over half a decade later.
3 >= 1 >= PW > 4 > GZ = MGR > MG2:SS = GB > 2 > ACID1/2 > TPP > PO > TTS > MG1 > Snake's Revenge
>burgers think
Forums, IRC and other chat rooms where already widespread in the west in the 90s anon. The only people who think this was predicting the future are kids who started using the internet during the Facebook pandemic.
>burgers
>think
almost got me there for a moment
>MGS2 was criticizing just Japan
OK, fatty.
>and already spreading misinformation
What even constitutes as "misinformation" in this day and age?
The highs of 1 are better than the highs of 2 but I mostly agree. Snake Eater has to be one of the most overrated games of all time.
>Snake Eater has to be one of the most overrated games of all time.
Nope.
>My mediocre James Bond flick is not overrated and has totally cool gameplay that is totally not trivialized by the basic starter equipment
Seriously, going back to play MGS3 on an emulator you just wonder what the frick were the kids doing back then, were they playing the game with the controller upside down or what?
MGS has always had babbymode difficulty but i dont get the praise how much they supposedly made the game more "fun"
Its literally the same as MGS2 without Spetznaz tier AI, infact its more infuriating having to swap between camos constantly. Imagine original OOT water temple but this time you have to swap iron boots everywhere in hyrule
Without that "supposed" gameplay advantage MGS3 has nothing. The story is boring and i couldnt give a frick about "The Boss", shes just a Mary Sue lmao
MGS 1-3 on extreme are anything but babbymode difficulty. Try to get BiBo rank in 2 on Extreme. I dare you
>The only way to make the games hard is to make it so you instant gameover if a guard spots you
>Tranquilizer gun still trivializes 90% of the guard encounters
You like me fr, frick the jungle theme, this is not minecraft
>Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
>Withdraws
More like attracts redditors like bees, look at the frontpage. Fricking full of Nogwarts threads
I made a presentation about MGS2 in my Masters' degree and I used images from Ganker during this dialogue
Hey man I would love to post anywhere else but I have nowhere to go anymore.
Insightful
Ganker isn't gated
unless when /misc/ jannies feel like mass banning when certain things that happened in 2020...certain things that have not been talked about publicly because they are covering things up.
>he doesn't get that the AI is talking about confirmation bias
how convenient you can cover up whatever you want even bioweapon release on civilians but if I want to talk about it its confirmation bias despite eating a 4 month ban for even being in the threads that leaked the lab passwords.
very fricking convinent.
im still mad.
It didn't. Most of these things were already happening by then.
>2001 game accurately predicted this cursed timeline we're in
>doesn't mention israelites
I dunno, the Patriots were a pretty on the nose metaphor.
Reading the patriots as "muh israelites" shows you weren't paying attentions.
The Patriots are the ethos of an interconnected society. The joke of the game is they're all already dead ("They all died... a hundred years ago.") and that their ideas are still being used to control people's opinions and thoughts on current, past, or future events. Raiden ultimately wants to "be" Snake, but his idea of Snake is the ethos-approved idea, the legendary soldier who took down Big Boss and Shadow Moses single-handedly, and Snake tells him to form his own will.
The game also isn't ultimately about AI control but the inevitability of homogenization on a global forum, and maintaining individuality. This is also why Raiden is just another Grey Fox in MGS4, because MGS4 is a game about Kojima failing to get his ideas across. Raiden, the player insert, misunderstood Snake (Kojima) and ultimately tried to follow in Snake's footsteps instead of living his own life (which is why he's separate from Rose, who had to leave him because he'd be targeted by the Patriots).
>The Patriots are the ethos of an interconnected society
except MGS4 proved that they are not
MGS2 was the conclusion, MGS4 was not only made long after the fact (though the Patriots reveal was transparently planned since 3, likely a Shuya Murata addition since he was originally set to direct 4), but Kojima didn't plan to be deeply involved.
So, [withing MGS2] the Patriots are what I described. In MGS4, they're more commentary on current wars in the world and the progression that it's moving towards (wars as a primary mover of the economy) as well as reflection on Kojima's own failures (video games being used as propaganda tools or tools to inspire military enlistment).
>MGS2 was the conclusion
not with those narrative cliffhangers
>narrative cliffhangers
Narratives are more than their plot points.
They're not cliffhangers. When Otacon finds out that the patriots are dead the idea is that we haven't been directly fighting them but their "meme". They already won a 100 years ago, long before the game even started and the only way to fight back is to think of yourself, decide what you find important and try to pass that on to others. The only people who think the ending is a cliffhanger are people who can only think of a story in terms of a linear plot.
>When Otacon finds out that the patriots are dead the idea is that we haven't been directly fighting them but their "meme".
I went under the assumption of "that data was fake", which MGS4 reinforced because how the frick could people who died over 100 years ago make an AI?
MGS3 felt like a big nothing in terms of the overall plot because the Philosophers were basically irrelevant
>how could people over 100 years ago make an AI
They didn't.
and yet the AI made it seem like it was around for 100 years
Typical AI we wuz human philosophers n shiet
The virus works, the AI gets shut down. What is talking to you at the end of the game is not GW but the meme of the patriots manifested as the collective subconscious. You're not supposed to take the plot at face value.
>What is talking to you at the end of the game is not GW
then why does it still pretend to be GW?
>You're not supposed to take the plot at face value.
and yet the fanbase does. Hell they take that entire ending rant literally
>yeah but what happened with Ray and Ocelot
the best boss fight in MGS4
but MGS4 is what happens when you refute or ignore MGS2's ending
*refuse
>but MGS4 is what happens when you refute or ignore MGS2's ending
and that's a good thing, MGS2's ending was a messy cliffhanger
no, you just got filtered
>then why does it still pretend to be GW?
It doesn't, listen to the final conversations again.
>and yet the fanbase does. Hell they take that entire ending rant literally
And that's why we got MGS4. I remember when that game was still in development and reading interviews with Kojima and you can tell that he fricking hated the fanbase at the time and those interviews, and the finished game itself, is filled with bile and anger against the MGS fanbase. The only reason Kojima started getting happy working with MGS again was by just turning the later games into wahtever idea he was interested in at the time. Peace Walker was made because he wanted to make a Monster Hunter clone for his kid, MGSV was made because he wanted to do his own take on the open-world formula.
I've not heard this interpretation of the ending before but i really like it
yeah but what happened with Ray and Ocelot
Actually that's just cut content. The original idea was that Snake would be fighting Ocelot in the background while Raiden is fighting Solidus, complete with split-screen cutscenes similar to those of MGS4 but these where cut due to hardware limitations. It's all in the games design document.
cool
filtered!
This anon is correct btw. The main theme of MGS2 was "meme" and the whole idea of the patriots are that they are a meme (in the original sense of the word) having been propagated through the collective subconscious over time. If you read interviews from Kojima around the time of MGS4 you can clearly tell that he is tired of the series and filled with spite against the fanbase who kept hating on the supernatural aspects of the franchise while sending him death threats for not churning out more MGSslop. I think a lot of people have forgotten it nowadays but back in the day people genuinely hated the supernatural elements of MGS2 and 3 which is why 4 just explains it away with nanomachines (and 5 with the parasite thing). Gamers of the time genuinely saw MGS1 as some straight spythriller and got filtered when Kojima upped the supernatural stuff in 2 and 3.
>cursed timeline
As opposed to what? The timeline where humans aren't moronic sheep? That doesn't exist
I have never seen a black being racist towards a white except when it's reactionary. The AI is being skitty but technically it's not censoring '''anything'''.
>The AI is being skitty but technically it's not censoring '''anything'''.
or so the AI wants you believe
Why do you care?
Cursed timeline where viral marketers make threads on Ganker about their game?
Did you say NERD?
WE'VE MANAGED TO AVOID DROWNING!
Daily reminder that this is a bad translation of the original Japanese and Agnes Kaku is a hack fraud who blames Kojima for her own translation errors. In general MGS2 contains tons of beginner translation errors in comparison to MGS3 onwards. It's an awful translation job and just like Blaustein (who pretends he came up with the HALO jump even though he didn't work on MGS3) she has to lie to cover up her mistakes.
I like the line
Way ahead of it's time. With the stuff happening in the early 2000s, some ppl probably had a good assumption for what could come in the future. If they really thought about it.
What were his tax policies?
child soldiers get tax benefits
Why is he so scrawny
Tax payers get free food with gunpowder mixed into it in return.
>George Bush
>George Shears
BRAVO KOJIMBO
Is 5 good? I've never played it. I hear there's pretty much no story whatsoever.
there's story but isn't blown in your face like the older games.
it's 95% gameplay, 5% story, and yes it's one of the best games ever made
There is a story but large parts of it are pretty stupid and it ends abruptly
Still worth playing for the gameplay
>Ganker doesn't learn what predictive programming is in current year, the movie
yes, "predicted"...
>Predicts the 21th century 70 years before MGS2 and before computers or the internet were even invented.
Nuthin personell Kojima.
they already had nightly shitposting over telegram in the 1800s.
"the internet" goes back further than most people realize.
Before the telegram you had Romans shitposting through graffiti.
Deus Ex came out in 2000 you dumb c**t.
i played the demo in 99
The demo was released on the 16th of June 2000. Unless you played the demo at some trade show your memory is deceiving you.
Oh yeah. I must’ve played it in 2000. But I remember reading about the game and 99 because It was already in development. Whew, not now that we’ve gotten to the bottom of that mystery and your autism has been quenched is the main point of my initial statement any different? That DX did it earlier and better?
Deus Ex and MGS2 use similar themes to different ends. MGS2 is a post-modern game about identity inspired by Paul Austers New York Trilogy, Deus Ex is a more conventional narrative about the consolidation of corporations and governments at the expense of individuals filtered through popular conspiracy theories of the 90s (which was a popular trend in pop-culture at the time).
Can't wait to play magnet golf
don’t mind this 1999 game doing an even better job at predicting
>DIDJU RIKE IT?
not really because I didn't trust the lying AI ranting at the end of the game.
Not to mention Raiden, as a character, sucked in 2
Apologize
HORSED
watch your mouth
love Joosten
love joostenbros
also sounds very 80s
what a god
he was referencing japanese internet culture at the time
>le he was just talking about Japanese internet at the time
Are you people moronic? It can be both that AND a worryingly prescient message about the future.
You're just not as clever as you think you are.
yeah so he cribbed a few things off GR so what?
>It's not even about that!
>okay fine, it is about that, but he stole it from somewhere else
What's next, "it's not even interesting!"?
The cope is real.
well it's not exactly prescient
Cope.
MGS2 apologists have a collective IQ of 20
agreed
Someone told me to use my knuckle to get past the torture sequence in MGS, which worked, but now there’s a weird bump there. Am I gonna die, bros?
Also, what’s the chance of rereleases this year?
I can get through it with my thumb and I have fricking arthritis.
>he doesn't know how to mash
zoom zoom
Use the turbo button
>predicted
Watch more 90s anime Black person