>poorly optimized on pc = runs the same as on console
This, just looks at Starfield threads, console play it at locked 30fps, meanwhile PC players are malting because their 4090 can't run it at 4k 144fps with ultra settings or their 6700XT run the game at 1440p with high settings at merely 50fps.
The standards are wildly different. On PC if a game can't run on current hardware at 4k 60fps (or higher) it's generally considered poorly optimized. On console as long as it can run at 30fps in 4k with a bunch of textures and effects downgraded from PC nobody will bat an eye. You also don't get the option on console of running at a lower resolution for a higher fps, you just get what you're given.
What is "unoptimized" for us is standard for you. You are satisfied when a game can run a stable 30 frames without ever wondering what's actually going on with the resolution. The expectation for PC versions of those same releases is to run 1080p60fps on entry level hardware, and complain when that goal isn't satisfied. What is "optimized" for you isn't even playable to us. Think about why.
>platform already costs a lot more for the same performance >shitty optimization means you need Even more power to get the same performance that just costs even more
I mean sure, if you spend over two kilos on a PC it will outperform a ps5 for 400 bucks even with shitty optimization, that doesn't mean you spent your money wisely
already costs a lot more for the same performance
you can get a used 3060ti for 200 bucks and it will outperform a PS5's graphics card even if you stick it on top of an older 4 core cpu
What is "unoptimized" for us is standard for you. You are satisfied when a game can run a stable 30 frames without ever wondering what's actually going on with the resolution. The expectation for PC versions of those same releases is to run 1080p60fps on entry level hardware, and complain when that goal isn't satisfied. What is "optimized" for you isn't even playable to us. Think about why.
>install nexus optimization mod >game runs at 50-90 fps on high settings
Werks fine on my 5700XT and 5600x at 1440p. Sounds like a skill issue.
Still uninstalled it because the game itself is shite.
How is it that modders fix their fucking gorillion dollar game within a couple of weeks? I know this has been the case for a long time now but it just boggles the mind
It's the difference between doing something because you love it VS doing something because your were paid to do it.
Paid workers can't compete against autistic superfans.
The game running like shit is another advertising opportunity.
"This game is so advanced even your gaming PC can't run it. We put so much detail into the game world that you'll have to upgrade just to experience it. Also if you're too poor to upgrade you should buy the game anyway and try out this community patch. All your friends are playing the game, don't you want to be part of the next generation of gaming?"
Starfield doesn't run great on anything because it's an unoptimized mess. Found out the other day if you have too much stuff in your inventory it'll cause massive lag (like 5-6 seconds of the game just being frozen) whenever you save. The solution is generally to just keep all your excess ammo on the ship but jesus christ, what pajeet coded the saving system so that when it's checking through your inventory it's doing it in the worst possible way? I'd love to see the bloated code on that. >if >then >if >then >repeat for all 5000 items in your inventory
Can't even imagine how fucking bad that'll get later in the game when you've got tens of thousands of rounds and god knows how many notes and other undroppable quest items.
I refunded that trash after 3 hours and went back to AC6. I'm on a 3080ti, it ran in 1440p just fine. The file size being 3.5x larger than Fallout 4 despite looking worse is fucking inexcusable though. Go look at the credits, it's just 5000 pajeets and then Bethesda senior staff.
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Cry moar
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I'm just disappointed. First Bethesda game I've played that was just genuine irredeemable dogshit.
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It's my favorite of theirs since morrowind
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I'm sorry about your terminal case of shit taste.
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I bet you unironically enjoy the films of Wes anderson
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I don't know who that is sorry. But I'm sure your joke was very epic :^)
>some poor moron can own a bad PC just like some poor moron can be stuck with an old console so I don't have to face the fact one platform objectively outclasses another
Using a console recently made me realise how shitty they are and how much better even a 10 year old pc is compared to say a ps5. You have more freedom with apple hardware than Sony consoles.
I remember talking to some anon once who cast doubt most PC's could play games at 60fps and it made me realise how bad Console players have it. 60 fps 1080p is where playable begins on PC, console they consider playable to be 900p 30 fps
>60fps 1080p is where playable begins on PC
sure thing lad
maybe try to look at the steam statistics and look what GPUs are the most commonly used
unless you play on low with every possible option disabled you might squeeze out 1080/60
Buying an okay gaming laptop was the best decision i ever made, i kneel to all the PCfags i mocked over the years. 60 FPS, playing modern games + whatever i wanna emulate + mod support is an amazing feeling.
t. former consolefag.
Thanks bro. I fully understand people falseflag like hell, but genuinely i am getting a lot more mileage out of my laptop than i expected. Not needing to pay online to play Street Fighter 6 is a good bonus too.
I think most people look at the price of higher end GPUs and say 'fuck that' but yeah you can get a decent machine up and running for not a crazy amount, that will last you way longer than a console in the long run.
Yeah, mine’s is ultimately pretty mid all around but it hits consistent 60 FPS at decent settings so i am pretty satisfied. Not sure if it is any stronger than a PS5 and too lazy to check, but it is good enough, especially when i generally play older games that a console doesnt have anyway.
Paying for online garden gnomeing is what ruined console gaming to me, i still find keyboard to be weird as fuck to use but i’ll take that over paying even more money for a basic function.
PC is about freedom. If you want to use a controller, there is no reason not to. Forcing yourself to use KB&M because "that's just what PC is" completely misses the point.
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I just started playing Dark Souls for the first time and this is the moment where I know I need a controller, that and emulated console games are awkward as shit with KBM.
I think most people look at the price of higher end GPUs and say 'fuck that' but yeah you can get a decent machine up and running for not a crazy amount, that will last you way longer than a console in the long run.
Yes, holy fuck, my shitty RTX 3070 beats out a PS5, I was running Rift Apart at 60fps max 1080 with all RT effects on, I just wish I had more fucking ram so I could also upscale it and not have it shit my bed.
bros really think a 600 USD/EUR PC won't run the games slightly better and look better than a PS5. Look at all the properly optimized PS5 exclusives that dropped, they look better and run better.
Even a notebook is better than the PS5. Your communist shitbox can't run anything but what your Sony Communist Party allows.
This Joke of an argument was lost 15 years ago, just go away already this is a board for and about vidya enthusiasts not communists.
>Bought a new mid-range laptop for $500 around 15 years ago >it was ahead of the current gen consoles at the time
>it shows it's age now tho, want to buy a new laptop for a similar price range >technology evolved so much, surely I must be able to buy a much stronger laptop for the same price >laptops for $500 are still only as powerful as they were 15 years ago >you need to spend like fucking $2.500 if you want a laptop that competes with current gen consoles
what the fuck happened
why don't these prices want to go down
4060 Mobile = RX 6600 . It needs to be at least 20% faster (6600XT-equivalent) and have 10-12GB of VRAM to be comparable to a PS5.
That laptop is close, but it's not quite the same. But you don't need $2500 either lmao. For that price you can get a 4080 Mobile, which is quite a bit faster than a PS5.
Anon posing the real questions.
PC gaming is a fucking meme. Poorly optimized games at launch every time.
Poorly optimized my ass you're too poor
I don’t think any amount of money in my end would have made Jedi Survivor run without issue on PC.
yes
poorly optimized on pc = runs the same as on console. pc users have higher standards than consolefriends.
>poorly optimized on pc = runs the same as on console
This, just looks at Starfield threads, console play it at locked 30fps, meanwhile PC players are malting because their 4090 can't run it at 4k 144fps with ultra settings or their 6700XT run the game at 1440p with high settings at merely 50fps.
Only if you playing certified slop.
None of those games on the top are actually good
There's such a wide variety up there it'd be virtually impossible for you to not like even one if you actually enjoy playing video games.
>west of loathing
My moron
case by case
some are
some arent
some are as bad as on consoles
>get "poorly" optimized game
>still runs lightyears better than its console counterpart
>mfw
The standards are wildly different. On PC if a game can't run on current hardware at 4k 60fps (or higher) it's generally considered poorly optimized. On console as long as it can run at 30fps in 4k with a bunch of textures and effects downgraded from PC nobody will bat an eye. You also don't get the option on console of running at a lower resolution for a higher fps, you just get what you're given.
>platform already costs a lot more for the same performance
>shitty optimization means you need Even more power to get the same performance that just costs even more
I mean sure, if you spend over two kilos on a PC it will outperform a ps5 for 400 bucks even with shitty optimization, that doesn't mean you spent your money wisely
already costs a lot more for the same performance
you can get a used 3060ti for 200 bucks and it will outperform a PS5's graphics card even if you stick it on top of an older 4 core cpu
What is "unoptimized" for us is standard for you. You are satisfied when a game can run a stable 30 frames without ever wondering what's actually going on with the resolution. The expectation for PC versions of those same releases is to run 1080p60fps on entry level hardware, and complain when that goal isn't satisfied. What is "optimized" for you isn't even playable to us. Think about why.
Nice seethe
>20 series gpu
works on my machine
.
Meanwhile pcfags having a meltdown because starfield doesn't run well on a 1060 lmao
Blame the Indians who programmed it incorrectly.
>install nexus optimization mod
>game runs at 50-90 fps on high settings
Werks fine on my 5700XT and 5600x at 1440p. Sounds like a skill issue.
Still uninstalled it because the game itself is shite.
How is it that modders fix their fucking gorillion dollar game within a couple of weeks? I know this has been the case for a long time now but it just boggles the mind
It's the difference between doing something because you love it VS doing something because your were paid to do it.
Paid workers can't compete against autistic superfans.
Blatant incompetence.
The fix isn't even anything radical, just a few number tweaks in the game's graphics preset .ini files.
The game running like shit is another advertising opportunity.
"This game is so advanced even your gaming PC can't run it. We put so much detail into the game world that you'll have to upgrade just to experience it. Also if you're too poor to upgrade you should buy the game anyway and try out this community patch. All your friends are playing the game, don't you want to be part of the next generation of gaming?"
Starfield doesn't run great on anything because it's an unoptimized mess. Found out the other day if you have too much stuff in your inventory it'll cause massive lag (like 5-6 seconds of the game just being frozen) whenever you save. The solution is generally to just keep all your excess ammo on the ship but jesus christ, what pajeet coded the saving system so that when it's checking through your inventory it's doing it in the worst possible way? I'd love to see the bloated code on that.
>if
>then
>if
>then
>repeat for all 5000 items in your inventory
Can't even imagine how fucking bad that'll get later in the game when you've got tens of thousands of rounds and god knows how many notes and other undroppable quest items.
Time to upgrade 🙂
I refunded that trash after 3 hours and went back to AC6. I'm on a 3080ti, it ran in 1440p just fine. The file size being 3.5x larger than Fallout 4 despite looking worse is fucking inexcusable though. Go look at the credits, it's just 5000 pajeets and then Bethesda senior staff.
Cry moar
I'm just disappointed. First Bethesda game I've played that was just genuine irredeemable dogshit.
It's my favorite of theirs since morrowind
I'm sorry about your terminal case of shit taste.
I bet you unironically enjoy the films of Wes anderson
I don't know who that is sorry. But I'm sure your joke was very epic :^)
Thread should've ended here
My pc can play video games, yes.
Can you play anything but AAA slop on your goysole?
my PC can emulate bunch of consoles and play games that 20+ yo. can your PS5 do the same?
yes (i don't have a graphics card, i use windows 7 32bit and i have 2gb ddr2 ram)
Yes, but it also cost 8x what a ps5 costs
your PC didn't cost $10
It is. But it was also more expensive than ps5. But at least it has games
>some poor moron can own a bad PC just like some poor moron can be stuck with an old console so I don't have to face the fact one platform objectively outclasses another
Yes it is!
How Ivan? You were sanctioned, you can't have this!
Say thanks for "parallel import", its how they naming this. At moment i buy my pc hardware, prices was same as in Europe, my 4080 for example
Бля, a я зa 120 бpaл.
фyндaмeнт
4080 combined with a 5600x
What are are you doing dumb moron
its short-time solution, rn grinding for new mobo and cpu
Using a console recently made me realise how shitty they are and how much better even a 10 year old pc is compared to say a ps5. You have more freedom with apple hardware than Sony consoles.
I remember talking to some anon once who cast doubt most PC's could play games at 60fps and it made me realise how bad Console players have it. 60 fps 1080p is where playable begins on PC, console they consider playable to be 900p 30 fps
>60fps 1080p is where playable begins on PC
sure thing lad
maybe try to look at the steam statistics and look what GPUs are the most commonly used
unless you play on low with every possible option disabled you might squeeze out 1080/60
Yeah see this being a good example
1080p 60 is the threshold not the goal, unlike consoles
you're a tech illiterate
have you ever hacked a console or used linux in your lifetime?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_games
PC master race got every single significant game released this year on one platform
Bg3 locked to 30 fps on one console
Starfeild locked to 30 fps on one console
Totk locked to 30 on one console
yes
This defo in my top 5 images that causes MASS SEETHING. Might even be top 3. Poor fag third worlders have a meltdown every damn time
my le gayming laptop is better than a fucking ps5
>it isn't
>still get 2x more FPS than consoles
lol
Fortunately it is.
My pc is better than my ps5 but somehow every game runs/looks worse on it while making my room 3x as hot and being 2x as loud.
maybe you should stop using stock fans and cases with terrible airflow
I robot a shit.
Having a PS5 sounds more like a burden than a gift.
Any PC at all is better than a PS5.
Yes, and I don't even need to bring up GPU and CPU. Mandatory gamepad is plain unacceptable.
Honestly yeah probably. Besides I don't really play modern games anyway.
Can your PS5 play porn games?
yes 🙂
It is, actually.
I have a 4070ti that I used to play runescape and source mods
Buying an okay gaming laptop was the best decision i ever made, i kneel to all the PCfags i mocked over the years. 60 FPS, playing modern games + whatever i wanna emulate + mod support is an amazing feeling.
t. former consolefag.
welcome to PC gaming, my guy
imo the best part of playing on PC is the modding, and being able to custom tailor your experience
Thanks bro. I fully understand people falseflag like hell, but genuinely i am getting a lot more mileage out of my laptop than i expected. Not needing to pay online to play Street Fighter 6 is a good bonus too.
Yeah, mine’s is ultimately pretty mid all around but it hits consistent 60 FPS at decent settings so i am pretty satisfied. Not sure if it is any stronger than a PS5 and too lazy to check, but it is good enough, especially when i generally play older games that a console doesnt have anyway.
Paying for online garden gnomeing is what ruined console gaming to me, i still find keyboard to be weird as fuck to use but i’ll take that over paying even more money for a basic function.
>i still find keyboard to be weird as fuck to use
So plug in a controller?
Then I might as well play on console
PC is about freedom. If you want to use a controller, there is no reason not to. Forcing yourself to use KB&M because "that's just what PC is" completely misses the point.
I just started playing Dark Souls for the first time and this is the moment where I know I need a controller, that and emulated console games are awkward as shit with KBM.
I could have worded it better, i do that for the most part yeah but it still feels annoying to remove it when not using.
>it still feels annoying to remove it when not using.
What's annoying about that? Do you get annoyed when your TV is plugged in, but not in use?
some games are better with m&k, some with a controller. On PC, you can choose
I think most people look at the price of higher end GPUs and say 'fuck that' but yeah you can get a decent machine up and running for not a crazy amount, that will last you way longer than a console in the long run.
yes, my 4070 Ti 13600K build is better than a PS5 thank you.
>imb4 seething AMD fags
stfu AMD cult, not now. we must stand united against the eternal console peasantry
was hoping someone posted this already, snoys really never learn.
this is kind of nonsense. For me, PC is better than a console. It doesn´t have to be more powerful, I just prefer what PC has to offer.
The question should be is your PC more powerful?
Because it´s like comparing a sport car to an offroad. The awnswer depends on what you expect from the car
OHNONONONNONONONON PS5 SISTERS
i just bought a 5800x3d today
will maybe buy a rx 6800 next month
>i just bought a 5800x3d today
lol he bought old AMD rubbish
werks on my machine 🙂
Yeah, it is. I have to have a good PC for work.
i wont argue that pc gaming is better until you are well into your 20s
Why would that matter?
Of course it is.
You should enable XMP.
I already set my RAM manually to 3200 mhz.
But your timings are shit.
Yes, holy fuck, my shitty RTX 3070 beats out a PS5, I was running Rift Apart at 60fps max 1080 with all RT effects on, I just wish I had more fucking ram so I could also upscale it and not have it shit my bed.
My computer is faster than PS4.
Even a shitty old pc can look at porn and play the old xcom, so, yes.
They don't even have Astro's Playroom. How sad.
Yeah because my PC has games.
bros really think a 600 USD/EUR PC won't run the games slightly better and look better than a PS5. Look at all the properly optimized PS5 exclusives that dropped, they look better and run better.
Everything has been completely playable on my 1060
You’ll have to pry this ancient machine from my cold, dead hands, it is my dearest friend.
my PC wasn't more powerful than ps5 when cyberpunk came out. still ran better than on ps5. explain that consolefags
Poor optimization on PS5.
Are you implying it was well optimized on PC?
No. I'm saying it was even more poorly optimized on PS5.
Learn to read.
there was no ps5 version on launch
yeah?
the PS5 is way out of date honestly
Yes
Yes, my PC is better than a PS5. What now gay?
Yes.
Yes, much better. Who would shit talk a console without having a good PC? Imagine being poor. Couldn’t be me.
Even a notebook is better than the PS5. Your communist shitbox can't run anything but what your Sony Communist Party allows.
This Joke of an argument was lost 15 years ago, just go away already this is a board for and about vidya enthusiasts not communists.
Yes, actually
>is it cheaper
No, but you can't use ps5 for work
>Bought a new mid-range laptop for $500 around 15 years ago
>it was ahead of the current gen consoles at the time
>it shows it's age now tho, want to buy a new laptop for a similar price range
>technology evolved so much, surely I must be able to buy a much stronger laptop for the same price
>laptops for $500 are still only as powerful as they were 15 years ago
>you need to spend like fucking $2.500 if you want a laptop that competes with current gen consoles
what the fuck happened
why don't these prices want to go down
>$2.500
hUh?
>windows 11
Do they offer a defagged version?
4060 Mobile = RX 6600 . It needs to be at least 20% faster (6600XT-equivalent) and have 10-12GB of VRAM to be comparable to a PS5.
That laptop is close, but it's not quite the same. But you don't need $2500 either lmao. For that price you can get a 4080 Mobile, which is quite a bit faster than a PS5.
yeah my 1060 is better than the ps5
problem?
No it's not
But it still mogs your goystation to high hell
>PS5 = can't mod games
>ToasterPC = can mod games
yes, it is, hope it won't shortcircuit your NPC chip mr android