>750k players bought it on release. >That number has dropped by nearly 40% in two months

>750k players bought it on release
>That number has dropped by nearly 40% in two months
>Blizzard is currently on their FIFTH "please buy dragonflight with this bonus" promotion already
>Youtube and twitch grifters already realising theres no views in talking about the content and going back to "why WoW is dead, for real?!?" dramaclicks
>Every WoW focussed websites traffic is the lowest its ever been
>raid and M+ participation is plummeting

So Shadowlands was the actual WoW killer all along huh?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any proof for any of this, chud?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        delete this zivchud

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ok now post m+

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Legion was fucking kino, look at that retention.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BfA was complete shit
        >People come back for DL because surely they can't fuck up twice in a row right
        >they fucked up twice in a row
        >player counts absolutely plummet
        >DF doesn't regain even half the players SL had at launch
        Did people finally learn? Is the cycle finally broken?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wowbucks finally got broken

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mr. White... yo.... Im telling you... next... next time they'll... they'll make a great expansion...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I know, I know, now tell your girlfriend to eat all of the puke....all of it or she can't leave

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm really surprised they're so fucking stupid to think their garbage writing, empty expansion and retarded ass mobile oriented development would be succesful.
        Just do Legion 2.0 and write like you used to, its not hard for fuck sake. They deserve the flop

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Just do Legion 2.0
          literally BFA you fucking dumb moron
          >write like you used to
          TBC was incoherent garbage Wrath was Saturday morning cartoon villain and asspull, Cata was Thrall wank

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mobile oriented development
          literal schizoposting
          have a nice day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mobile oriented development
          literal schizoposting
          have a nice day

          >mobile oriented development
          Wasn't there a twitter post of a lead designer that admitted she doesn't even use a computer and does or work for WoW on a tablet?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're thinking of when it became known that Celestalon(male) played WoW on his computer by using a Wacom drawing tablet instead of a mouse.

            He never used a mouse for any game before Overwatch in 2016. He was a Technical Class/Systems Designer for World of Warcraft.

            https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/737203778441469952

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Start of DL has less people than the end of WoD
        Holy shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WoD didnt have m+ you retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is the actual source of this graph? Are the numbers accurate?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably raider.io and wowprogress

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Source? Where are these numbers from?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've asked but not one single fucker has given a source for any of this data

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's compiled from warcraft logs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wow so it gained 0 players from the end of sneedowlands

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WoW has gone the way of the dodo, it's not culturally relevant anymore.
          WoW literally killed itself as prophesied.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please comeback

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        JEEEZUS

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They killed this game with their lazy push for m+ and CE trannie parsing. A total of 3500 guilds have killed the first boss in mythic vault. That's a total of 70k players.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is the actual source of this graph? Are the numbers accurate?

        Source? Where are these numbers from?

        I've asked but not one single fucker has given a source for any of this data

        So I have genuine autism and have decided to go to wowprogress.com and click spam left mouse button till I reach the bottom of the progress table. Keep in mind this data is from 14th January 2023, so over a month since vault opened on 12th December.

        This anon isn't lying. Wowprogress records ALL GUILDS from over the world including China, Korea, NA, Europe and Oceania.

        There's a total of 17804 guilds that cleared at least 1 boss on normal difficulty, slightly above the chart but again this data is current instead of how many days old the chart is. Even if you assume that every single raid included 40 people (very unlikely) that's a total of 712k players that even dabbled in PVE.

        This game is beyond dead.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For comparison, a total of 10823 guilds have cleared a single boss on HC.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is a retarded way to calculate this, some guilds have 1000 players, some have 1.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even then I think from personal experience it's safe to assume that the total number of guilds is correct, and the 40 man raid was a super generous and impossibly optimistic way to calculate it as the average group size from my years of hc experience is usually around 25. Yes some guilds do multiple runs, but if you're in a guild that has multiple groups you usually talk about super serious mythic progressing guilds that are a small minority (around 3500 guilds cleared at least 1 mythic boss). Then you have to account for the fact that mythic difficulty only allows 20 players. All in all 700k is the maximum possible number and that's talking out of my ass, it's probably closer to 500k if you talk about average 20-25 man raid.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >All in all 700k is the maximum possible number
              Double it for M+.
              Double it for PvP.
              Then add the casuals who only do LFR/PUG.
              Then add the people who play on roleplay servers.

              WoW definitely IS dying, but it still has like 2 million players at the absolute minimum.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then divide that by 5 or 10 because that's the average number of alts a no-life wowbuck that still plays this garbage in 2023 has.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Game were the average player has minimum 24 alts
                >Game where every log in on different alt is counted as unique mau
                >2 million

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >both things blatantly made up
                damn you must be really desperate

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Prove those two millions show me the numbers wowbuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why dont you prove your claims? Im not the one who said 2m

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I... I ...I ...I... Didididntt m..mm..am..make thise claim
                I accrept you concession.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm the guy who made the 2 million minimum claim, but I'm not the dude you are arguing with currently. My reasoning for that number is that SL sold 3.7 million copies on the first day and probably reached +5 million total sales.

                The M+ numbers for DF are much higher than SL, so logic dictates that there's more players now at this point than there were at the same point in SL. 11.2 million runs vs 3.7 million runs.

                https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-1/all/world/leaderboards/560590#content

                https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards/185977#content

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sold 3.7 million copies on the first day and probably reached +5 million total sales.
                From where do you so confidently pulled up these number?
                How many of those are atrual unique account?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >From where do you so confidently pulled up these number?
                Because Blizzard announced it to their investors and in public statements about their company and WoW.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WoW hasn't had even a million players since Pandaria, it keeps losing 30% of the player base each expansion and it has been at least 3 expansions since some new blood even paid attention to it.
                How can you sell 5 million copies of a dead MMO, what are they doing with their copies? Stockpiling them?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WoW hasn't had even a million players since Pandaria
                I don't know what kind of world you're from, but MoP had 10 million subscribers at launch and 7.5 million at the minimum. Pic related is from back when they were 100% open and transparent about numbers, before they stopped reporting them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The drop over time with each expansion since Cata
                You just know it's even lower now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no shit anon, you must be quite the genius

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah of course. Legion, BFA, SL and DF have all probably been around ~5 million copies sold, and then after the first 6 months 50% of those players have quit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >5 million copies sold
                No way, they have lost a large chunk of the player base with every single one of those expansions and millenials are too busy playing Fortnite and Amogus to even give WoW the time of day, there's no new blood. Guilds as servers are ghost towns compared to what they once were

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Legion - 3.3 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
                BFA - 3.4 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
                SL - 3.7 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
                DF - No numbers released yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those numbers do not even match the number of players online in games that sold 1/5th of that.
                Unless 70% of that is in Chink servers it sounds like Blizzard is just bullshitting their numbers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep in mind that tons of people buy the game, play for 1 month and then quit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                5 fucking expansions doing the same thing while you can literally see your guild list vanish through every expansion and that having no impact in the sales?
                Are 99% of WoW players that retarded to fall for the same scam 10 times over?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >10 million players
                >in barely 200 servers
                /doubt

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >deflecting
                back up your claims or dilate somewhere else chud

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >some have 1.
            You mean one player can be on his own guild, join pug and kill a Raid boss, and now his guild counts as one of the ones who killed a boss?
            So if a lot of those guilds have 1 player, or fez players, that means there're even less people playing this game.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes it does work like this, but it's more common that there are people in the 1000 player leveling guilds that never bother to leave, so a guild that has 200 people pugging is only getting counted as 40 players by this guy. Whereas the players that don't join the leveling guilds aren't even counted by this metric.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ignoring the fact that the number of guilds who've killed 1st boss in expansion has dropped massively

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          afaik that doesn't count pugs and a lot of people only raid in pugs
          the game is dead yes, but not quite that dead

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even then I think from personal experience it's safe to assume that the total number of guilds is correct, and the 40 man raid was a super generous and impossibly optimistic way to calculate it as the average group size from my years of hc experience is usually around 25. Yes some guilds do multiple runs, but if you're in a guild that has multiple groups you usually talk about super serious mythic progressing guilds that are a small minority (around 3500 guilds cleared at least 1 mythic boss). Then you have to account for the fact that mythic difficulty only allows 20 players. All in all 700k is the maximum possible number and that's talking out of my ass, it's probably closer to 500k if you talk about average 20-25 man raid.

            Yes, pugging is another thing to consider but no way to account for that. Then again, it's fair to assume that the guild count that progress in PVE is a healthy way to reflect on how the total player count has dwindled across expansions. If DF can't muster guild numbers from BFA or SL it's very likely this also reflects number of pugs, pvpers etc.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              agreed, but it's pointless to try and get the number of active players from the numbers of guilds that have done raid content
              also the raid being released close to christmas might factor into the number a bit, but mostly that's just cope

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The popularity of ANYTHING in an MMO is directly tied to its reward structure, implicit or explicit
              Normal mode raiding offers fuck all of either reward type
              M+ population is up higher than before because its rewards are better

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except that's bs because m+ loot has been heavily nerfed since Legion days and not worth doing beyond your weekly vault reward, I've been in a CE at the start of BFA and the whole m+ mentality for entire guild was let's just do the bare minimum to get the weekly reward since +15 gear was weaker than mid tier hc loot. This hasn't changed in DF. M+ is worthless.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >M+ is worthless.
                I don't know why you are assuming that everyone who does M+ must also be a raider. There's tons of people who exclusively do M+ and nothing else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Except that's bs because m+ loot has been heavily nerfed since Legion days and not worth doing beyond your weekly vault reward
                actual fucking retard
                >I've been in a CE at the start of BFA
                cute larp too bad you made it up
                Every good player is farming M+ for concentrated primal infusions to craft 418 gear. Should probably not make your lies to obvious

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A raid group with 20 players kill a raid boss
            >24 are from one guild, one guy has his own guild
            >it shows as two guilds killing the boss on warcraft logs
            >we count 2 guilds as being around 40 people, average 20 people in each group
            >in reality, it was just 20 people
            So there are even less people raining in this expansion.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the data was from wowprogress, not warcraftlogs
              but I'm not sure how they count "guild runs" anyway

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that's a total of 712k players that even dabbled in PVE.
          You gotta combine all the people who exclusively do things like M+ and/or PvP and the odd casual people who don't do M+ nor PvP nor raiding, like all the crazies on RP realms.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >inb4 it doesn't count pugs!
          >inb4 it doesn't count m+ only trannies!
          >inb4 it doesn't count pvpers and lfr turbo casuals!
          The point still stands, like

          [...]
          Yes, pugging is another thing to consider but no way to account for that. Then again, it's fair to assume that the guild count that progress in PVE is a healthy way to reflect on how the total player count has dwindled across expansions. If DF can't muster guild numbers from BFA or SL it's very likely this also reflects number of pugs, pvpers etc.

          said it's all relative to previous expansions as per

          so it's absolutely logical to assume that if current wow has the historically lowest number of PvE guilds this also applies to other groups of players, especially since wow has no endgame other than parsing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is LITERALLY a graph in this thread showing the opposite for m+ you retard
            youre a genuinely sub 60 IQ waste of space

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >especially since wow has no endgame other than parsing
            Yes, M+ and PvP doesn't exist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >dragon tales
        >body type-ACK
        Doomed from the start really.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rent free

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >constantly shoving retarded shit into the industry
            >rent free
            Rent free like the looming suicide lmao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              thanks for proving my point

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t-thanks for p-proving my point!
                Oh yea you win this big time LOL

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                seething

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The proof is in the game. Capital cities are dead and silent, zones are barren wastelands, queues can be up to an hour long, LFG is full of bots and boosts, Auction houses are played by the same 3 people, nobody talks in the game at all etc etc

      Its fucking over. Accept it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Capital cities are dead and silent
        why lie about something so easy to disprove

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Go on and take screen shots right now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Valdrakken is packed in literally every server. Why are you lying so hard? You think people have any reason to sit in old cities? You're fucking braindead. T

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Screenshot?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. I refuse. As a Paladin i have something called integrity and WoW will never die as long as i am still logging in getting sweet mounts, armour transmogs and achievements. I am the eternal wall protecting my HOBBY from the haters, anti shills and traitors that left for the Other Game.

        For the fucking HORDE my brothers, we will weather this storm and come out stronger, purged of the weak who lacked belief in the Holy Light!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >As a Paladin
          >For the fucking HORDE

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Horde Horde paladins are almost old enough to post here, dude

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            em.... akcstually, blood elves are BLOOD KNIGHTS and Tauren paladins are SUNWALKERS... sweetie, please check your lore

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can now do TAUREN paladins, anon. The cows can also be ROGUE and MAGES now

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holy fucking cringe

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for making this fucking meme real.
          And for proving that this shit ass IP died with WoW Beta

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I will never forget the earthshattering mald wowfags and devs had that day when bethesda answered how many workers they had vs what blizzard had in Legion, forums went apeshit that day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Actually calling anyone that criticizes WoW, a pozzed game filled with actual trannies, fags, and disabled characters, a "chud".
      You're not fooling anyone.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i bought 2 months worth of time
    i did a bit of m+, got 1500 score
    i leveled characters
    i did this and that
    game just has no content, really. m+ is old shit and current shit just rehashed. it's overstayed its welcome as a mechanic. i've gotten 4pc tier set that's upgradeable via m+, I didn't even have to touch a raid to get it. what the fuck kind of retard shit is that? then the 24th you can actually CRAFT tier sets that can be upgradeable as well. the fuck?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Open your mind young one

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh content
      The game is boring, generic MMORPG trash with no real thought behind it. Lost its charm, no tricks on innovation, same old boring game play that has existed (and arguably in better state) since the game released.
      The fact that you bought the game already shows how much of a blizzdrone you are. They game died with Wod and everything afterwards had been carried but what the game once was. Yes even legion was absolutely souless trash
      The truth is, the game lost its identity trying to appeal to literal drug addicts with shit for brains. Also, MMOs nowadays kinda struggle to find their place since every single game under the sun is increasingly interconnected which makes the socialization in wow super mundane when it used to be special

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and arguably in better state
        classic has completely obliterated this cope
        >They game died with Wod
        What kind of actual retarded take is this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Name another MMO with a system similar to Mythic+ dungeons, 5 man group content that you can progress continuously until you don't have the skill to push higher.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >other mmos didnt copy m+
          >this must mean m+ is GOOD
          stockholm syndrome momentas

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For people outside the maze we have this better option called "okay, you beat it, not literally play any other game theres like a hundred thousand of them to choose from".

          I know this is fucking crazy and counter to the narrative your corpodaddy has taught you about your Brand-God but you can stop playing and play literally anything else. "numbers get bigger" isn't content and in any other genre is seen as a dev too lazy to make proper difficulty sliders.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this is such advanced cope its insane
            the entire roguelike genre is built on repeating runs, as are ARPGs

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And they are bad genres.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but the most autistic genres that veer the closest to slot machine bullshit designed to maze habit forming personalities!
                Yeah thats proving me wrong alright. Back to your slop hog, maybe you will get the same item with +3 ouchies on it that will make no difference bar a brief jasm of dopamine thats always weaker than the last. Just try to ignore the gacha tier reward structure, surely the vault will drop the SRR you need, just a few more M+ runs of Uldaman or some shit.

                That will be 15 dollars a month.

                >moving the goal posts
                I accept your concession
                Arcade games are also built around replay value

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >n-nice goalpost move, what about the things literally invented to hoover coins out of pockets with intentionally repetitive design!
                God the hits just keep coming, what next you compare it to an iOS game where you collect idol cards? truly a sage ahead of his time. I kneel.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >every other genre hates it
                >w-well except not those but THEY DONT COUNT THEYRE BAD ANYWAY
                Nobody wants your cinematic games snoy

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >b-but the most autistic genres that veer the closest to slot machine bullshit designed to maze habit forming personalities!
              Yeah thats proving me wrong alright. Back to your slop hog, maybe you will get the same item with +3 ouchies on it that will make no difference bar a brief jasm of dopamine thats always weaker than the last. Just try to ignore the gacha tier reward structure, surely the vault will drop the SRR you need, just a few more M+ runs of Uldaman or some shit.

              That will be 15 dollars a month.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking based.
                WoW is a thinly-veiled Skinner box for basement-dwellers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WoW is a thinly-veiled Skinner box for basement-dwellers.
                But they did a hell of a job in hiding it behind cool characters and half naked women for like 10 years plus.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cool
                night elves were always gay weebshit with their wooden tori gates and pagodas you were just a thirsty teen who never noticed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >night elves were always gay weebshit
                I spat out my milk. Oh my fuck i have to clean it now. Fuck you very much.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fun part about roguelikes is that every run is different and you get different builds based on drop RNG. M+ is always the same, the weekly just dictates with what flavor of dildo you get fucked in the ass.
              I don't play ARPG's because the endless grind for the perfect item sucks. Also why I stopped playing WoW, incidentally

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so nothing else has anything like it and wow is unique in the pve market

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >nothing else has anything like it!
              Maybe theres a good reason for that bro.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah the reason is other games are too shallow to support it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No other game has imitated this system!
                Thats usually a bad sign not a good one. Good ideas get ripped off. Bad ones don't. If nobody is ripping off M+ thats not because its some great challenge to emulate.

                And to be honest I don't know that reason. I really enjoy slamming small group PvE content with my friends and WoW has a total control on that market because of m+. XIV dungeons are guaranteed wins with no risk of failure, I don't think ESO has anything like it either, I'd really really love to see another MMO come up with some kind of group PvE that challenges you and is fun

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Try Palace of the Dead or Heaven on High in FFXIV is you want small group PvE content, the new Criteon dungeons too. Guarantee you will die a lot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bro just play Monster Hunter or a Souls game.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No other game has imitated this system!
              Thats usually a bad sign not a good one. Good ideas get ripped off. Bad ones don't. If nobody is ripping off M+ thats not because its some great challenge to emulate.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually New World ripped off M+ for their dungeons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          None come to mind, thankfully.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't played since they added m+ but I wouldn't even what that in nuwow. Doing my badge grind in tbc I had to learn how to do shit like freeze trap two different mobs. Everyone had to learn how to do pulls or manage aggro or CC before without taking all the aggro. All that shit's either gone or automatic now. I want hard 5 mans with tools you gotta learn, not 5 mans that you spam until the dps, tank or healer's gear can't keep up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          M+ single handily ruined gear progression for the average raider. The only thing able to keep the masses playing. The social pressure to grind m+ to solve raid problems via raw stat numbers instead of getting better at the raids was a poison pill.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The game died with Cata, not WoD

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Muh LFD/LFR
          The game was decent until WoD with the start of farmville mechanics.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There was a literal farm in MoP you drooling retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i've gotten 4pc tier set that's upgradeable via m+
      you're a fucking liar or stupidly lucky, you only get m+ tier set parts in the vault.

      >didn't even have to touch a raid
      I fucking wish. raiding is not really mandatory in theory but in practice it is. getting 4p without raiding is almost impossible this early. hc raid is ~m+10 difficulty equivalent but gives you up to 408 ilvl
      meanwhile m+10 gives you 392.
      raiding is easy mode free gear

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hc raid is ~m+10 difficulty equivalent
        lmao no its not
        20s are mythic equivalent (except actually still way easier)
        15s are meant to be on par with heroic raid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hc is easy as fuck compared to +15. i know that's how it's supposed to be like this but they suck at balancing

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no they arent, 15s are an actual fucking joke

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even if the numbers work out to be the same at those points, raids are still harder by virtue of having so many people. Its much easier for 5 people to not fuck up than for 20.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shadowlands killed my guild for sure. from 70 active players in bfa and shadowlands launch, to 3 who logged on for dragonflights launch. the talent system is great, but its not content. dragonriding is fun, but its not content. same with professions. blizzard banks way too much on raiding and m+ which honestly it seems that alot of people are sick of because raiding is all one shot mechanics now and m+ is a cesspool.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >crying about m+
      shitter alert

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what are you talking about?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine ur mmo endgame is M+ lmfao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its the first time nobody, not even the mid 40's "gamerdads" that only play WoW and nothing else, refused to come back. The only comparison i can think of is how twin peaks fans go "oh and these episodes in season 2 were when a bunch of the staff quit so its not really canon and you can skip it to the movie or season 3". Like there is "Warcraft" but thats over and done and this is "the Danuserverse" or something and its not considered canon or the same thing to them and therefore not "real content" and easily skippable. Its odd but they made the worldbuilding and story unrecognisable to the point they actually alienated the warcraft fans which is fucking bananas to lose people with 20 years of sunk cost self mazing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, let's see, we had dogshit advertising I don't even know how many normal people really even knew if Dragonflight was coming out and they definitely have no idea what the fuck to expect from it when every advertisement is just a dragon flying around. You can't really extrapolate a meaning to the dragon isles until you actually get in game and find out random a lightning dragon is pissed off she was locked in a cage for a long time.
        This xpac is coming after the complete and total shit show that was shadowlands, where it finally made the devs tone down their gigantic egos and make smart changes towards the end because they were in full panic mode.
        And that xpac came after BFA which was pretty lackluster and the horde vs alliance thing had already long since run its course. Which again only had good changes towards the very end after they held people hostage from having actual catch up mechanics.
        Now they face the consequences since they not only fucked everyone two xpacs in a row but they giga fucked casuals in shadowlands between legendary prices and all the systems ending up killing casuals like everyone said they would since alpha testing. The only people left are people that enjoy hanging out in the game, or people that want to clear "difficult" content when the only difficulty in any MMO comes from the players around you and not the content itself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they giga fucked casuals in shadowlands between legendary prices and all the systems ending up killing casuals like everyone said they would since alpha testing
          casuals do not need a BiS legendary
          casuals do not need to min max their conduits
          this autistic bitching comes exclusively from retards like you
          >when the only difficulty in any MMO comes from the players around you and not the content itself
          might as well scream "Im dogshit at video games and need to cope"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Legendaries were still way to expensive and this leads into the next point. Casuals are slow and they like to experiment without guides. If you see a gigantic Facebook timer on changing your conduits you're probably going to be a little pissed. If you want to buy a bunch of different legendaries of any quality it's still going to be super expensive and time consuming to farm out the mats. Blizzard acknowledged it months later in a blue post despite knowing it would be a problem way before that point, but they held people hostage for subs until the slow crowd finally found out what the fuck was going on.
            Also all types of raising guilds for any type of content fall apart because building a team consistent enough to clear the content requires all players to be around and have even one brain cell to live in an encounter. If you have players falling over or failing to show up to raid then you have to constantly either spend weeks training and them or spend weeks recruiting more players only to find out they're also not getting it, until you finally get a dream team that disbands after one patch anyways. The reality is anyone good at the game will move up from shit teams and join guilds that can reliably clear the type of content they wish to clear.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Legendaries were still way to expensive
              no they werent, they were literal BiS items and were easily affordable if you did a small amount of farming
              > If you want to buy a bunch of different legendaries of any quality it's still going to be super expensive
              No, the lower rank legendary bases were actually dirt cheap because people were making them in bulk

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yea months down the road when the higher ilvl pieces released so low ilvl shit tanked hard. But if you weren't on a mega populated realm you were going to pay a shit ton. Even on large pop RP realms you got raped. And then that's another thing, what percentage of the casual base would actually farm out gold? The sepulcher patch was basically the only free money patch for casuals because of the initial Essentia prices and that's if they were there the first few weeks. And because of essentia prices, max ilvl legendaries during the sepulcher patch were at absurd price points. If I had to sell two keys (on A52) to afford my bis max ilvl cloth piece on my alt mage (6 weeks into the patch) imagine what a casual has to go through for their shiny new piece of gear, and on that topic saying casuals do not need a bis legendary is an incredibly reductive argument. Why do casuals not need something that can increase their desire to play the game? Perhaps they happen to want the legendary and don't even know it's their bis, but they make it their goal to get it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >casuals do not need a BiS legendary
            >casuals do not need to min max their conduits
            The sad thing is that this is how blizzard thinks.
            They don't understand that people want the best they can get for their character, no one is happy with mediocrity.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They don't understand that people want the best they can get for their character
              except this isnt true
              If you wanted the best you can get you would be mythic raiding
              If you wanted the best you can get the most popular race wouldnt be blood elf
              Players do neither, because they dont actually want to min max when it requires a modicum of effort from them, only to be spoonfed bis

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except this is true, based on how people moaned about the legendaries in legion, to name one.
                9 out of 10 systems in wow don't require effort, just wasting time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its the first time nobody, not even the mid 40's "gamerdads" that only play WoW and nothing else, refused to come back. The only comparison i can think of is how twin peaks fans go "oh and these episodes in season 2 were when a bunch of the staff quit so its not really canon and you can skip it to the movie or season 3". Like there is "Warcraft" but thats over and done and this is "the Danuserverse" or something and its not considered canon or the same thing to them and therefore not "real content" and easily skippable. Its odd but they made the worldbuilding and story unrecognisable to the point they actually alienated the warcraft fans which is fucking bananas to lose people with 20 years of sunk cost self mazing.

          That's a lot of words just to reaffirm your headcanon about reality, why do Gankerners love doing this? I mean you wrote all that to anonymous people so it's clearly important to you for some reason

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One thing I've noticed, wow even up to shadowlands was a very scenic game, even as far as BFA and shadowlands, you can see the giant golden pyramid taking up an entire zone, sinister temple squatting is n a swamp with the red moon overhead and souls drifting towards it, endless gothic crenellations etc. But every image of dragonflight I've been has just been a featureless field. Is there any cool scenery at all?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think people wanted more Horde Vs Alliance its just that the chud devs made it into another "it was the old gods all along" like they did in MoP. People legit just wanted a good old fashion slugfest vs both factions not some gay old god shit.

          It got even worse with the jailor since they legitimately went "the jailor is behind everything including the legion" aspect was a bunch of shit.

          Imagine thinking you're high IQ when the morons legit shit on almost 3 decades worth of lore by literally naming the big bad of all big bads a literal who.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The jailor was behind the burning legion
            Are you joking? You have to be joking right? Tell me you are joking please.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't worry they'll retcon someone to be puppeteering the Jailor too soon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Jailor sent the dreadlords to convince Sargeras that he needed to start the burning legion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but anon, sargeras started the legion because void lords were corrupting world souls. jailer doesnt have anything to do with void. are you parroting youtube again?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Chronicles books have been retconned I am afraid

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is a giant spit on the face tbh I feel like a cuck for buying those shits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it was. I fucking loved those books which is what really upsets me. Fuck Blizzard and fuck WoW.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why? You're buying they're retconned from a random anon on Ganker?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, sorry

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I feel like a cuck
                That was their intention now go and clean it up now that it's still warn cuckie

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                feel free to source me on that then. I know they were written from the titans pov but they haven't been retconned in any official capacity. if they were retconned, can you point me to the canon lore that said jailer told the nathrezim to lie to sargeras about the void? even though we saw in game, in canon, void beings infesting world souls?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                an update to a cosmology map is a retcon of all the lore? wow. whats the new lore about the void? was cthun retconned? it looks like teh void is right there in your "gotcha' image too, really looking forward to hearing back from you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                an update to a cosmology map is a retcon of all the lore? wow. whats the new lore about the void? was cthun retconned? it looks like teh void is right there in your "gotcha' image too, really looking forward to hearing back from you

                See

                The Jailer was behind everything.

                you Blizzard cock sucking shill

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this doesnt explain how the jailer is behidn old gods though. did he make cthun? or whats the lore on that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He predicted their actions and their downfalls, all according to keikaku

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no I read that, but if he's behind everything, when did he make the void? or was he not behind the void? im confused

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He didnt
                All he did was have dreadlords go and rile up Sargeras to start the Legion

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wait so was he behind it or not? people here are saying he was behind everything, but he wasn't behind the void? i'm confused cause it seems like the legion would have been made either way. kind of a shit character if things would have happened the same way without him no?

                >void exists without jailer
                >void corrupts planets without jailer
                >sargeras would have seen this either way

                is that a good summary? i just can't tell if these guys are shitposting when they say he's behind everything or not

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people in here are retarded
                hope this helped
                >void exists without jailer
                >void corrupts planets without jailer
                this is true
                >sargeras would have seen this either way
                this is debatable. We dont have the specifics of Sargeras' fall, but the dreadlords could have egged him on or lied about the severity of corruption
                All the other titans are aware of void corruption too but didnt go crazy, just knowing isnt enough, something had to push Sargeras over the line
                Pre-TBC there was some involvement of the Eredar but that was retconned when they decided to make the draenei and eredar the same thing so Eredar were no longer originally demons but instead fallen mortals

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Watch them make the Titans the bad guys

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are. They're saying the Titans lied to everyone about what they did on Azeroth. The Titans being Order-aligned in the Chronicles-era cosmology, they see it as acceptable to deceive mortals and their creations to uphold Order. Neo-nu-Blizzard is dismantling what's left of classic Metzen Warcraft lore and making its own.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The dreadlords aren't actually demons they're servants of Sire Denathrius, whom he instructed to, and the dreadlords were the ones who told Sargeras about the void lords, so he could corrupt a world soul, which would eventually die and clog the Shadowlands (all according to his master plan)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He doesn't know

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus fucking christ, Daniel, how long have you been off your meds?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dreadlords have always been behind the legion

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Jailer was behind everything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there a youtube series that tells the whole WoW story? I'm kinda interested because I quit after WoD. Something that's not very short but also a manageable length would be nice, like 1 hour/expansion that covers most of the story including raids.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobble tells all the good parts. Doesn't drone on and act like he's telling some masterpiece.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know if anyone has put one together that fits with the revised lore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just don't even know why they approved this.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you like?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cringey old man still posting fanfic self insert bullshit on his twitter
                Yikes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Current theory is they wanted to one up FFXIV. Because Endwalker was completing a storyline it had been building since 2013.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wish WoW could had just ended in WotLK and called it a day there. XIV showed how MMOs can actually have a proper storyline, what a great ending.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ended in WotLK
                >implying that would be enough

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We both know it was only downhill from there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Endwalker story fell apart when you get to Elpiss

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck off it's true you stupid idiot. Time travel in stories that don't feature it as a core concept always are shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't even understand why time travel is considered bad in stories where it is bad, so it's very clear you wouldn't understand its purpose in Endwalker either.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah it's another Venat did nothing wrong the ancients deserved to die poster again

                That's the part where it gets fantastic. Only slow part is lab 2

                I liked the zone and lore but the plot and deus ex machinas and idiot ball nonsense ruins it for me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zodiark Trancefag
                Here we go again

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh please that shit is cringe and stupid. I don't think the ascians are right and I don't think venat is evil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the part where it gets fantastic. Only slow part is lab 2

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                of course that was it. Every website was going "holy shit this thing that was a disaster ten years ago is not just great but concluding its major story arc" and wow went "n-nuh.... nuhhhhh... m-mee tooo...." it was pathetic on a level i can only compare to old chris chan videos where hes yelling at the trolls with zero confidence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We planned it since Warcraft 3!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If this is interesting in any way to you, you never played Warcraft 2-3. Its like a book report assignment done the night before. Conpany is a husk.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the old gods corrupted sargeras
                stopped reading right there
                this isnt what happened

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its not, stop reading imaginary shit you find on Ganker and thinking its real
                Sargeras was swayed by dreadlords as he had been since TBC when Metzen retconned it from Eredar corrupting him

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It got even worse with the jailor since they legitimately went "the jailor is behind everything including the legion" aspect was a bunch of shit.
            This. Retconning the lore to having someone that we only known of using one of the cast for his agenda, to being behind everything that started the entire Warcraft story has got to be the biggest "fuck you" to most of the playerbase.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              how is jailer behind the void or the titan stuff? whats jailer have to do with elementals?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >blizzard banks way too much on raiding and m+ which honestly
      wow style raiding is unironically outdated game design, most people can't be arsed to schedule when they're allowed to play with 20 other people nowadays
      that's why pick up and play type of content like m+ is a lot more popular

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Endwalker flopped

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Flopped what? It's massive cock on the table?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NO. NO THAT ISN'T RIGHT. WOW IS THE BIG MEATY COCK. ZIVchudS ARE THE TINY ASIAN COCK GAME. YOU ARE WRONG!!

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe people just got tired of this after 20 years of doing basically the same thing

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have played and pre-ordered every expansion since cataclysm, dragonflight was the only expansion I didn't buy. wow is dead for me.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hey we can reuse early dungeons by making the numbers bigger and maybe a couple of extra bosses and call it heroic mode
    >hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers bigger and splitting it between 10 and 25 man
    >hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers bigger and calling it heroic
    >hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers scale and call it flex
    >hey we can reuse dungeons by sticking a timer on there and call it challenge mode
    >hey we can reuse content by adding an extra big number mode on dungeons and raids and call it mythic
    >hey we can make this content theoretically stretch infinitely and never need to add new dungeons by making the numbers bigger every time you finish it and call it mythic+
    >hey we can reuse old dungeons from past expansions and tacking on our mythic+ bullshit on, which means we can make even less this time
    >hey we can slap mythic+ on raids too
    >where did everyone go? We have infinite "content"

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10.1 will save Dragonflight, meanwhile 6.3 literally killed flopwalker

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NO. NO THAT ISN'T RIGHT. WOW IS THE BIG MEATY COCK. ZIVchudS ARE THE TINY ASIAN COCK GAME. YOU ARE WRONG!!

      Endwalker flopped

      delete this zivchud

      https://i.imgur.com/bDUvWjq.jpg

      >750k players bought it on release
      >That number has dropped by nearly 40% in two months
      >Blizzard is currently on their FIFTH "please buy dragonflight with this bonus" promotion already
      >Youtube and twitch grifters already realising theres no views in talking about the content and going back to "why WoW is dead, for real?!?" dramaclicks
      >Every WoW focussed websites traffic is the lowest its ever been
      >raid and M+ participation is plummeting

      So Shadowlands was the actual WoW killer all along huh?

      Just go back to /vg/, your posting style is too obvious

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World feels fake and fully disneyficated.
    Lgbt fascism everywhere, one single 60 year old voice actor for all female npcs.

    You pay 13$ a month, still they have the audacity to timegate everything so you can't progress too fast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >still they have the audacity to timegate everything so you can't progress too fast.
      WOW ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE COMPLAINED IN LEGION AND BFA ABOUT INFINITE GRINDING

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You still have to grind though, but now there is a limit so you can't grind too fast.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Listening to normies is never a good business strategy.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >*burps up entire half digested rotisserie chicken* H-Hammers up bros! 11.0 will be #different, things are only just getting started...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >POGGERS
      >HAMMERS UP BOOOIIIIIIIISSSS

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1.7m TWITCHER VIEWERS ON LAUNCH DAY EZ!

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone know which private servers are good? i haven't touched an mmo since burning crusade classic launched

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Private servers are even more shit than retail.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ascension, mainly because it just lets you do a lot of crazy shit normal wow doesn't let you because of it's classless system and mystic enchants.

      server is active too so game is actually alive

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WoW lost its cool factor the moment they pandered to the mentally ill. If it's not cool or popular to play a game, then the average normie is not gonna play it. They effectively alienated the majority of their player base for the sake of ESG

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Played from mid Vanilla to the first patch of warlords when it was clear they were out of ideas. Gave FFXIV a try since i was a fan of FF long before playing the Warcraft RTS games and was desperate for a good FF during "the decade of lightning" and never went back.

    From the outside i've seen my old WoW guild shrink with each expansion and the ones sticking behind only grew more aggro and bitter. The best thing XIV did wasn't make me swap one mmo for another but go "yo when you are bored fuck off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere". When you can play an MMO on your terms and not the devs all that stress and bitterness goes with it.

    It looks like Shadowlands just brought that bitterness to the point it finally broke the trust limit and people finally decided they were better without WoW in their life than with it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >yo when you are bored fuck off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere
      literally just means theres no content
      you can leave and come back to WoW easily too, people dont praise the lack of shit to do in any game but slant eye garbage

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's just as much content in WoW. The difference is that WoW punishes you for jumping off the treadmill.
        In FF14 you they'll release crafted gear for the newest raid tier every patch, you can use your saved up tomes to buy a set that makes you able to participate in the newest raid tier.
        Drop off WoW mid expansion? Pfft, good luck, now you've got to grind several raid tiers if you want to raid, and that's going to be hard as the previous raid tiers are now ghost towns

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pfft, good luck, now you've got to grind several raid tiers if you want to raid
          Just say youve never actually played WoW, dont embarrass yourself by posting this shit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's right, are you gonna pretend he won't have to grind dailies and m+ for barely start raiding?
            And then, weeks and weeks of raiding to actually get geared?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              try again without the ESL speak
              There has been catchup every single tier since mid-Wrath, you havent had to touch an old tier in over a decade
              Maybe if you werent a favela monkey and could actually afford a WoW sub you would know this

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but moron grinding dungeons for weeks to catch up is exactly why those guys are right, stop coping.
                It's just not worth grinding boring ass shit to play even more shit raids when every other MMO mogs WoW out of the water. Hell, it's not even worth it to not fall behind either, I don't understand why would anyone be so fucking retarded to still play that garbage outside of sunk costs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's just not worth grinding boring ass shit to play even more shit raids when every other MMO mogs WoW
                lmao its so obvious you got benched from big boy content and are coping
                No, WoW PvE is still king without contest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                explains why all the raiding guilds moved over to XIV.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >yo when you are bored fuck off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere
      Just like any other game? WoW has been catering to this playstyle for over a decade, every single patch brings a reputation farm which you can complete in under a month, and it takes less than two weeks to get geared up and start mythic raiding. Unless you're socially retarded you can just find and join a guild to progress with when resubbing and just quit when you're bored.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people are okay with endgame content taking over a month of busywork to even be allowed to attempt
        This is incomprehensible to me

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are mazed. Its that simple. They see "oh you had the flu and missed a week of upkeep? sorry you fell behind, better luck next expansion" as a desirable power fantasy because it rewards the "TROO FAN" staying in the maze every week.

          Even Destiny isn't that gnomish anymore. Fucking DESTINY.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          unless you're pushing for world first clears this is absolutely not the case. you can do the bare minimum (weekly hc/m+) runs and still join a mythic raiding guild. you could be an autist and go over the top grinding for very specific upgrades but unless you're pushing for world firsts there's no need to. there's so many catchup mechanics in WoW that it's impossible to fall behind

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw people are now apologizing to Shadowlands.
    How can you make an expansion so bad that it leads to this.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To all the people saying there's nothing to do with the game, wasn't it the same for all wow expansions? Was the leveling experience the true kino content all along?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WoW's death seems to be coming from a more meta issue. At the heart of it all games are pointless timesinks as we whittle away our finite chemical process called a lifespan.

      But modern WoW is making people conscious that they are wasting that time and creating a negative feedback loop.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this why XIV threads have been getting pounded by "6.3 was a flop" shitposts?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The usual suspects are kind of shitting themselves. This is the first time WoW has come out the game with a flop expansion release and they are panicking that they are losing the tribal fanboy foreverwar going on inside their shcizo memory palace.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is the schizo memory palace Ganker or their own heads?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Whats the difference?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not gay, furry or a transvesttie.

    Why would i still play WoW when its not made by people like me for people like me anymore?

    Honest question. What am i supposed to pay a box price, the biggest sub fee on the market, with a cash shop and the token boost economy horseshit FOR? danusers writing? furry noptism art hires? elder scrolls blades off cut music? 2004 hotbar combat thats been dumbed down to moba levels? talent trees where everyone copy pastes the one numerically superior build? fighting the same insance bosses for 9 months where most people are braindead and rely on addons to tell them WHEN TO MOVE THEIR FUCKING CHARACTER?

    What is the selling point for Warlo Wawa in 2023?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The bald grifter still coping by saying it's good, even his chat were calling him out and saying he's high on copium. Yes the same chat that is completely sanitised now because he banned anyone not sucking him off and agreeing with him for the last two years was saying he's coping by saying DragonFlight and WoW is good again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >His face when McCool said it was "a boring game for furrys now" and he'd rather play GTA rp and Asmon couldn't understand playing a game without a timegated, persistent reward structure.
      MAZED.COM

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My respect for McCuck went up just a little with him staying true and not sucking up to Asmon and telling him what he wanted to hear but rather what he really thought about the game.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dragonriding is the most consistently praised part of the expansion
    >It looks like this
    Jesus Christ wowfags.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hahahaha oh no no no. WoWbros explain this shit?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hahahaha oh no no no. WoWbros explain this shit?

      I've seen this posted in multiple threads. You retards realize that 1 example doesn't demonstrate a pattern, right? Or are you genuinely that braindead

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >video of the game running
        >THATS NOT REAL PROOF BECAUSE ...BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!
        Scathing rebuttal buck kun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What am i seeing here? Why isn't he flying straight up and doing that jerky stupid move?

      t. haven't played since BFA.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You aren't supposed to be able to fly straight up. Its more like gliding than actually having free aerial movement like old mounts. But since Blizz can't program for shit, you can cheese it by wiggling like that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they copied GW2 wrong
      holy shit, you had one job

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so you can "jump" through the air to fly upwards?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've never played WoW so what the fuck is the difference between regular flying mounts and dragons?
      Why are they acting like this is a special feature when they could have just made a dragon flying mount at any time?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are hundreds of normal flying dragon mounts. Dragonriding is basically a minigame that you're forced to play to go faster instead of being able to move however you want in the air. It was lifted wholesale from Guild Wars 2.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3 times faster than epic flying if you just fly up then glide to your destination, 4 times faster if you're trying to go fast

        For some reason brainlets don't understand that you can just afk glide places.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Normal flying mounts just go in a straight line from A to B at 410%. Dragonriding has things like momentum, weight, etc. where if you use your abilities to fly up into the air and then swoop down(kinda like if you imagine Spiderman swinging on his webs) then you can go 1400% speed. There's also a couple of abilities and a system ala combo points/energy.

        However, the system is retardedly broken in the sense that you can literally just flick your mouse straight up into the sky for 0.5 seconds, press your "flap upwards" hotkey instantly and quickly turn your mouse level again, to achieve the same 1400% speed while flying in a straight line. You can keep doing this over and over every 4-5 seconds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >meanwhile in guild wars 2

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only people who still play WoW are loser Gen X and Millenials with nothing going for them in their lives.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and that's a good thing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Zoomers are overwhelmingly superior to Gen X and Millennial gays.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          get back to tiktok, gay

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I creampied an 18 year old blonde girl yesterday while she was moaning "daddy"

            I win you lose.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The only creampie you got was from your uncle

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                putting lipstick on your left hand doesn't make it a girl

                Owned.

                >women fantasize about being beaten and raped and call their partners daddy
                What the fuck is wrong with women

                It's just a proxy for "strong patriarchal figure impregnating me"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >women fantasize about being beaten and raped and call their partners daddy
              What the fuck is wrong with women

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              putting lipstick on your left hand doesn't make it a girl

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pic related was his date.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              one day you'll realize having sex is a normal thing and you'll stop being so fucking cringe

              >I had SUCH a big sandwich yesterday I bet you're jealous
              lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Owned.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah call me a virgin again. My girlfriend is sucking my dick RIGHT NOW and you wish you could have this treatment. ooooh yeah it feels good too. If only a virgin like you could know this feeling ...HA! Just knowing that I can fuck on demand... Whenever I want.. she’s still blowing me in fact and she has Big boobs! well, what can I say? Just a regular day for me. I can imagine how jealous you must be.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I used to think so but all the mid 40's burnouts and gamer dads i know moved on to FFXIV, Destiny, TESO or survival shit like Valheim. The current mazedbucks all tend to be catababbys now because this was their childhood.

      Kind of like people in their late 20's who still buy new Halo games thinking it will be like when they were 8 years old again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Perhaps. I just know that the people still in my life who are playing WoW are bitter about life because playing WoW for 8 hours a day 365 days a year for the past 10 years landed them in a terrible situation. They're bitter, sad and vindictive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would actually explain a lot. If lootboxes and season passes were your childhood even fucking choreghast would seem defendable by comparison. Of course catababbys are the modern WoW defenders.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all the old people who cant keep up play easier games
        lol

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Has 20 add-ons in order to "play".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly zoomers play wow, that's why Valdrakken is empty after 8:00 pm

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People realize the time commitment to actually get good with gear and progression. When they can actually just come home from wage cuckin it and play a casual 1 hour match of Warzone 2 or a single player game. Also the great reset is about to begin so people are cutting corners with expenses

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I subbed for a month but i hate raidlogging expansions and mythic plus should have died been killed at the end of legion. Also, radier.io has lobotomized the community.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. shitter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        post your CE or shut the fuck up retard

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragonflight world content has nothing fun or worth doing. Who wants to grind rep just to mog their staff into a shovel? Who wants to spend hours trying to tag invasion mobs? Who actually thinks hunts and the soup event are worth subscribing for? It's all so shallow and pointless. I've already unsubscribed and that's the earliest I ever unsubbed from an expansion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How about raids and mythic+ with a group of friends. You do have friends, right?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but I don't give a shit about pve. I only want to pvp. Idk where to find people to grow with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >m+
        Nice try Blizzard but you're not tricking me into running the same 8 dungeons for 2 years

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It worked for garden gnome World

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody who plays this trash has friends, it’s why you play this diaperfur shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          project harder

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Believe it not but there's a lot of people out there who don't play just to raidlog or spam mythics.And there's fuck all for them in Dragonflight, which is why this expac will tank harder than WoD.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have hundreds of gamer friends and none of them play this garbage

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If they were my friends I wouldn't let them play this garbage, you don't let your friends smoke crack or date complete whores, right anon?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty weird considering this was their new approach to the overworld content and yet it's somehow the exact same as all the content in wow. "Be sure to catch these events that happen every two hours and don't miss that window or it's another two hours for you!" They hyper extended a rep grind and pretend it's an improvement when it's not even cross character still. And the end game is the exact same flavor of overtuned but now they're slightly faster at patching everything so they'll be sure to make it baby tier by the .5 patch instead of just before the next raid tier.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >O M G, My futa demiboi genderfluid panomnisexual hebephile dragonking gets to make S00P and its everything!

      I hate what WoW has become so, so much.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember bros, they're adding a battle pass just like your favourite mobile MMO so you can be happy wasting a week doing chores to get something that could've been implemented as a reward behind a quest or something that makes sense in an MMO
    However nowdays? Just skip having a "World" just make it a chore of chorecraft to get your chudsmog and show off to other subhumans.
    What garbage, the writers are capeshit subhumans not even Metzen capeshitted that low

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't wait till they add a WoW premium sub where you can access better rewards from the battle pass

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World of Warcraft feels and looks like one of those shit tier Saturday morning Cartoon Network shows made in 2019

    What did you guys think of that dwarf tomboy thing with the bright blue mohawk? Disgusting

    How am I supposed to care about these characters?

    Blizzard deserves to fall

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly only did the main quests and the moment I was faced with the opportunity to do side quests for that dyke I tapped F1 and flew to the nearest pvp zone instead.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zivbucks fabricating lies again, Dragonflight is bussin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frfr on God, no cap shit be mad bussin'

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder they all wear hair like that to hide male pattern baldness.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >750k players bought it on release
    Source?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At least its better than what Overwatch 2 got.

    Blizzard is absolutely dead though and i'm fucking tired of everyone pretending it wasn't Activision that killed them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now post the current graph where dragonflight has gone right back up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You mean this one?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >M+ graph is the same as raids
          as usual anyone who hates WoW is literally retarded, I'd b surprised if you can even tie your shoes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is there any reason to believe the trends would be significantly different?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              probably has something to do with the fact that they literally are
              M+ is out performing Shadowlands, objectively.
              # normal mode guilds is completely irrelevant.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >WoWfag who call their characters "toons" calling anyone else retarded

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why don't you post it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where are these graphs coming from?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blizzard kill Blizzard, not Activision

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is every single WoW thread either a furry circle-jerk or a dismal string of market projections insisting the game isn't actually dead yet? I've literally not seen in at least two years now a thread from WoW fans who actually are talking about a dungeon they ran or a fun story beat without exclusively mentioning it in comparison to some other MMO's lesser equivalent.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WoW players have spent nearly two decades shitting on all other MMOs and actively attempting to kill interest and conversation for them, and now the shoe is on the other foot so they're at a loss for how to cope.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        theres no coping when WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest

        why don't you post it?

        sure, dont forget to dilate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >theres no coping when WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest
          Jan 24th soon diaperfurry

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest
          Yeah I bet, that explains why every server is dead and Blizzard stopped bragging about their numbers 5 expansions ago.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >every server is dead
            only in your dreams chud
            >Blizzard stopped bragging about their numbers 5 expansions ago
            except when last expac was the fastest selling PC game in history

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Go take a pic of Orgrimmar right now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no it has to be in THIS city you have no reason to use
                keep trying to move the goal posts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i-i-i-it's not dead ok
                >the players are just hiding elsewhere
                >inside my head
                So not only a chud but also a schizo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                anon you do know that there are other cities, right?
                Ones in the current expansion, near all the current content you actually do

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then take a screen of some other capital fucking city. I guarantee you if I go to Limsa, Uldah, and Gridania in turn right now on the lowest pop server I will still see 200/200 models in my player search in all three cities.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lack of content is not a win

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lack of players is a big fucking lose though, but we all know WoW died when they had that South Park episode, that was it's peak.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lack of players is only an issue in your moron MMO where nobody actually runs content

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Players can access content in XIV from any location on the map. I can cross-world raid an Ultimate from the comfort of my FC house just as much as I can next to the NPC that does it. Your "point" means nothing. Show me where this vast 10+ million playerbase is hiding, you complete gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my world doesnt matter and we just hop through loading screens
                nice """""""""mmo"""""""""""" too bad nobody actually does anything in xiv because it has purposefully dogshit rewards

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Moves the goalposts with literally zero shame
                Nice pivot.
                >nobody actually does anything
                Even as a DPS I don't wait longer than 4 minutes for a queue to pop and any PF group fills up within 20 minutes for any content. I don't know why this lie keeps getting perpetuated by WoWslaves but it's outdated.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >fastest selling
              completely meaningless marketing dribble, about as legit as xiv claiming 80 million worldwide players or whatever the fuck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >xiv claiming 80 million worldwide players or whatever the fuck
                If you're going to make shit up, at least make it believable, they've never said 80million you sperg.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                can't be arsed to look up the number, that's not the point anyway

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're right they actually said 83 million

                thanks for reminding me it was more

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No they said 200million, wait 300million, no it was 1488million.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >except when last expac was the fastest selling PC game in history
              Your dreams told you? Did they also tell you you're the fairest maiden of the realm too?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201208005691/en/World-of-Warcraft%C2%AE-Shadowlands-Becomes-Fastest-Selling-PC-Game-of-All-Time

                Anon please this is just sad. Im sorry you arent good enough for WoW and that it keeps mogging your favorite shit pile but its time to accept reality

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The test of an expansion isn't in the sales, because the only thing driving WoW sales is copium and nostalgia. The test of an expansion is in how many players it retains. How did that work out for Shadowlands?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Blizzard claims it sold 4 million copies in day one
                >there aren't even 400k players in their servers
                Hold on, that makes 0 sense, what are they buying them for? Landfill?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny how you weren't even allowed to discuss WoW here back in the day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There has literally never once been a period where this is true.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By community consensus, yes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well WoWfags were a bunch of underage kids, same with Halo fanboys, allowing those threads would mean the average user age of the board would drop by 5 years.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIV is unironically better than WoW now

    And this is coming from somebody who HATES FFXIV

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >now
      It's been better since Stormblood/Shadowbringers

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    world of warcraft?

    more like world of shit

    lmao

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with wow is that blizzard chose to listen to the tryhard furry trannies instead of the casual straigth larpers.
    Its very easy to make content for tryhards. But its very difficult to make a compelling journey that has substance to it.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Game is just a m+ hub nowadays. Hardly a mmorpg

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why can Ganker not cope with the fact that dragonflight is doing better than shadowlands?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In what way is it doing better?

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does WoW even have player housing where an individual player can own their own house/ apartment and furnish it however they want?

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's ok guys! Soon you can transmog white gear! WOW IS SAVED

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real problem is that MMOs are crap, Sky from ThatGameCompany was the only MMO that didn't waste my time completely in the last twenty years.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love when blizzard keeps winning at every turn and Ganker just endlessly seethes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >winning
      It's winning so bad Riot keeps falling upwards.
      I hate both companies but holy shit it's fun to watch

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Riot
        What did they do this time?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Making shit versions of Steam and Blizzard games, but since they both fuck themselves up so hard Riot keep making bank doing delivering shit but with a couple of corn kernels on it. I wish all 3 would just vanish but I'll take what I can get.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    even asmon cant keep up the facade much longer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blizzard bribed so many streamers and they couldn't even pretend to be interested for more than a day before they started streaming tik tok videos instead.
      Geez

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes. it's over and money talks so blizzard will cull all the trannies sooner or later and start making wow realm reborn

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Blizzard doesn't even have real developers anymore, it's fucking over.
          Nobody even wants to work for Blizzard and get molested by some Bill Cosby impersonator anymore.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, i found this new graph. Holy shit, its real, WoW is dead. Expect f2p in 2 weeks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to be figuratively f2p as soon as the microsoft deal completes anyways.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion was the last expansion that worked. Player retention was much higher. They have dropped the ball 3 expansions in a row now. Allied races could have been cool but they picked the lowest effort races to adapt. I’d probably play every now and then if there was a cool new race to check out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw never got to play void elf because i couldn't be bothered to spend that much time rep grinding
      really wish they just had a quest chain to unlock them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were based because half the Horde was blood elf, so you could basically chat to both factions in Thallassian. It made camping timeless isle rares fun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Legion only had player retention because the artifact weapon was an obligatory infinite grind.
      People fucking hated it and it burned them out. When BfA had a similar infinite grind mechanic people got disgusted and weren't willing to do it again and left.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Legion had retention because we actually had shit to do. Class quests, class halls, all the other shit. It was packed with activity that had meaningful rewards.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >meaningful rewards

          but all of the stuff from legion is useless now. not very meaningful if its worthless now lmao

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >look mom im trolling on Ganker

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Epic of Alexander ultimate is better than anything WoW has ever did pve wise. The only thing WoW had over XIV is pvp and a open world.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny because DSR is better than TEA in every regard except visuals and music (Alexander as an arena and boss are just godlike) and we still have TOP to come soon. What's Worlo got to leave its audience excited for?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      having actual markers for boss attacks allows far better raid design, this is why Wildstar raids were leagues ahead of WoW too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You dont know how much I miss Wildstar. Imagine a timeline where the developers weren't retarded and made the endgame completely inaccessible for the average human with a job.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was too hard for the average human as well.
          I hate how game design nowadays is dumbing shit down so you can sell it to braindead kids, which explains every modern shooter, WoW and ASSgayS success.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >which explains every modern shooter, WoW and ASSgayS success.
            WoW is harder than any mmo before it retard and has been since like Cata

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wow
              >hard
              The game is rated T for a reason anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post CE

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah thats about the only CE you could get

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                T stands for TESTOSTERONE

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, their mortal enemy

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Come back to WoW, anon. Haven't you heard about our new promotion? You get Dragonflight for free if you subscribe for 6 months! Why are you still playing Weeb Fantasy 14?

    You need a real woman in your life. You need a strong woman.

    You need Toddy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fuck is that thing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        new story npc in main campaign of dragonflight

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah I will continue to enjoy actually fun and challenging pve content. Something WoW hasn't had in many many years.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's funny because DSR is better than TEA in every regard except visuals and music (Alexander as an arena and boss are just godlike) and we still have TOP to come soon. What's Worlo got to leave its audience excited for?

        >linear simon says again
        lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Name those intricate worlo mechanics that aren't just zerg the boss and AoE the adds?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what is DBM
          If it was linear it wouldn't have taken Echo who has several World first in WoW 6 whole fucking months to clear DSR.
          Honestly XIV is the only MMO with actually challenging content.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >6 months to clear DSR when you literally only need finesse to clear it
            >No lockouts, no timers, no gear walls, just technique, pots, and food

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At least they did it blind, gotta commend them for that and not just ragequitting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That team discussion on how an Akh Morn works by analyzing their own playthrough
                I take back my hostility. That was the cutest sprout thing I've seen an Ultimate raiding group go over.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >6 month meme
            back to your discord chud

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you train for 6 months you might be good enough to play XIV in time for the next expansion.
              Come on now, leave that dead husks like everyone else.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can't just call anything you don't like a meme and expect that to magically make the facts go away

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ENTER MOMMY

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so people seem to like Ryne
        >but we can't insert Ryne into the story right now
        >what if we just make a bigger Ryne with bigger tits
        >what a great idea

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'/m not really seeing a problem here anon

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you love to see it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            MOGGED.COM

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they keep throwing giant redheads at the players
            It isn't fair anon, it just isn't fair to do that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >She will never jerk you off as you lie in her lap and call you her darling sapling and to forget your worries.
              MY KING

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you love to see it

              >so people seem to like Ryne
              >but we can't insert Ryne into the story right now
              >what if we just make a bigger Ryne with bigger tits
              >what a great idea

              ENTER MOMMY

              Is every ff14 cuckold a coomer?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                only for redheads

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the funniest thing about this new non-binary character is that they make them turalyon's sidekick throughout the story

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They solved the bad content problem with no content.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember that they got another company to help the team create more contents for the game?

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Jailor won. He destroyed the game.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was time to hold the level cap and make BFA, SL, and Dragonflight all the same power level and let players actually do whatever they want.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I last played in early Legion and left because of the artifact weapon grind and class changes.
    My friend memed me into playing again saying that everything is good now. I fell for it.
    Played for a month. Holy shit the game is fucking garbage now. Class design is creatively bankrupt, it's all just the Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design. I played Warlock and it feels absolutely awful.

    Mythic+ dungeon farming is the most degenerate shit I've ever seen. It somehow managed to combine garbage players with elitism and has some of the shittiest attitude I've ever seen in vidya. It's an awful neverending weekly grind with larger grind sessions every time they increase the ilvls. And it gives better gear than fucking heroic raids on a no lockout. Who the fuck though that this was a good idea? Even if I ignore everything else M+ is reason alone to never touch this game again.

    And the new raid is also some of the most bland shit I've ever seen. Both visually and boss mechanics too, there isn't anything that's fun and stands out.

    I've been playing on private servers since then to cleanse my soul of this trash with some good old classic WoW.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design
      classes have built and spent resource since vanilla

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        newfag. classes in vanilla were rich and nuanced symphonies of design. not like this nu-shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >classes in vanilla were rich and nuanced symphonies of design
          I remember how rich and nuanced it was to play warlock, spending 90% of your time spamming shadowbolt.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            just because you're too stupid to see how part of the depth of vanilla rotations was the difficulty of raids is not my problem. you had to pay attention to all your abilities and talents, as well as the mechanics of the raids themselves back in the day. not like this shit today where DBM pilots the game for you.
            >build
            >spend
            >dbm moves you out of the fire

            I'm glad your woke shit wasn't around then when the game was actually challenging and fun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought you were being ironic at first but Im worried that you genuinely believe this

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the difficulty of raids
              Yes, it was so hard when every boss had 1-2 mechanics and 3 spells, and nothing else.

              >you had to pay attention to all your abilities and talents
              No, you didn't. You could do every single raid in the entire game with 50% of the raid AFK or being clickers/keyboard turners, except Naxx. I am 99% sure that you didn't even play back then, considering the dumb shit you are spouting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design
          classes have built and spent resource since vanilla

          I last played in early Legion and left because of the artifact weapon grind and class changes.
          My friend memed me into playing again saying that everything is good now. I fell for it.
          Played for a month. Holy shit the game is fucking garbage now. Class design is creatively bankrupt, it's all just the Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design. I played Warlock and it feels absolutely awful.

          Mythic+ dungeon farming is the most degenerate shit I've ever seen. It somehow managed to combine garbage players with elitism and has some of the shittiest attitude I've ever seen in vidya. It's an awful neverending weekly grind with larger grind sessions every time they increase the ilvls. And it gives better gear than fucking heroic raids on a no lockout. Who the fuck though that this was a good idea? Even if I ignore everything else M+ is reason alone to never touch this game again.

          And the new raid is also some of the most bland shit I've ever seen. Both visually and boss mechanics too, there isn't anything that's fun and stands out.

          I've been playing on private servers since then to cleanse my soul of this trash with some good old classic WoW.

          Every single modern wow class plays like a Bard from FFXIV. There are no proper rotations or combos and every class is just waiting for procs to light up and press.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thank god wow classes don’t play like the soulless on rails xiv jobs
            i sure love pressing the exact same buttons in the exact same order every single pull over and over again with no deviation

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not even Bard, it's moreso Dancer if anything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, not like this. Look at demonology warlocks, for example. Soul shards are fucking combo points now. Shadowbolt generates one, HoG spends it. It's ridiculous.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >playing a Warlock
          Yeah, that's one way to get disgusted with the game.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            haven't played retail in almost 8 years now but seeing frost mage so low makes me sad

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >seeing frost mage so low makes me sad
              Look at arcane though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's pretty depressing that we're back to the vanilla design of "yeah we gave you one good raid spec, don't give a fuck about the rest of your class" for half of the classes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1 is better than 0.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This was always the case. Most of my class became unplayable since Legion and we're currently at Legion 4.0 in class design.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're getting trolled by how the data is visualized. the bottom performing spec is very close to the top performing one in absolute, total numbers. balance is very good in the game right now, ignore people trying to get you riled up with manipulative statistics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >balance is very good in the game right now
                i don't have a good enough reaction image for this

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Warlocks have had a top spec for like 10 consecutive years, they honestly deserve and entire expansion where they are trash.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Shadowbolt generates one, HoG spends it
          thats not how combo points work retard, combo points consume all points
          Destro and Aff also had the exact same soul shard system in MoP and WoD while Demo had purple warrior rage
          But you would actually have to have played the game to know that

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's gonna take me a lot to get back into a paid game again. It's the high seas for me.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous

      Man I would have expected more players than that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eorzea collection is an opt-in app, so 400k players actually have accounts in that website alone.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just raid log wrath and tank dungeons for my mom

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what retard decided to increase expansion price by $10 at the worst time ever. Seriously, who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're milking the addicted beaten housewife syndrome players they have left for what's worth.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They would have made more money if it was $40

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s over. Move on. You’re middle aged now.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What happened to WoW

    You know what happened. You just don't like it.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just raid log wrath and tank dungeons for my mom

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >coming off of two bad expansions in a row
    >very few cool new characters, the important ones are the aspects we've already known and random elemental jobber dragons
    >horrible new race that is shackled to a somewhat boring class
    >no progression system to get you to log on
    >no new spells/abilities
    >talent trees are yet another mirage of choice
    >overworld feels kind of bad/boring
    >zones are boring and uninspired

    The literal only thing to do is m+, raid, or pvp. Which people are growing tired of being rehashed. There is also an enormous topic to be discussed of class/raid complexity and players. Classic wow is thriving, and the literal worst ever raid to exist had great numbers. Now ulduar is dropping.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for some reason 50% of the women sound like men when they talk

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also valid, but I'm trying to explain why the game itself is bad rather than artistic choices.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When leveling up I was actively disgusted how common it was up to a point I almost quit right there, so in this case it does affect the entire game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no new spells/abilities
      What are you joking? Did no class get a new skill/ability in Dragonflight? What the fuck is the point of raising the level cap then?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't understand, it was critical that they devote more time to creating LGBTQ+ friendly content, sacrifices had to be made!

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when are they gonna do fresh vanilla.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as long as you have friends pretty much any game is enjoyable
    the people who play this without any friends i have a hard time understanding
    i wish my friends played other games but i guess it’s not that bad

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Force woke, go broke.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I‘m trying to play it, mostly i pvp in this game and am pretty good heals…

    But this expansion in terms of creative direction is dismal. Every main character is voiced by either a woman reading her toddler a halloween story or some lgbt man, the writing is borderline ESL (tf does fleecepelt mean? why do the centaurs call you “two-foot” when they have 0 feet?), sharp gleaming garden gnomeels and metal armor art looks like a chinese mobile game from 2008 or actually worse, so far 1 good music track i noticed, dialogue is tame and about “the power of family” and “working together”, boring even for probably 5th grade, playerbase seems kind if depressed too and isolated (RSS took over regular arena), etc.

    I’d keep on and play it if there were really *any* interesting story elements or new characters like the venthyr were or literally any hint of personality, but so far this xpac is so bankrupt of any noncorporate energy that I’m probably just going to focus on wagie-ing over it. I guess thanks, pozzard. Maybe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is the first expansion i just flat out stopped reading the quest text
      i don’t care about any of these people or their motivations

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I will berating every npc, the entire time up to 70, like a black man in a movie theater.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was*

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dead game
    >Dead company
    >Dead playerbase
    Not even eq crashed this hard and miserably

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The order of the games in this image trigger me. It should go WoW -> SC2 -> D3 -> HS -> HotS -> WC3 Reforged -> Diablo Immortal -> OW2 -> D4.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People saw that SL damaged the setting beyond repair, they were then given the all-clear to leave it behind when DF dropped and doesn't even feel like WC anymore

  62. 2 weeks ago
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  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is nobody buying Dragonflight?

    Fool me once, shame on you. (BFA)
    Fool me twice, shame on you again. (Shadowlands)
    Fool me three times? No, just no. It's over, Blizzard. No more chances. (Dragonflight)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >chud

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to play FFXIV but none of my friends play it and im terrible at making new friends, which is why i cant get back into raiding/m+ in wow since they fuck off a week after the expac drops.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Join a casual FC and just be friendly with them until someone suggests doing content, then gradually redpill them into doing High-End content by doing earlier extremes and savages until they're good enough to do real shit. That's how my FC wound up the way they are.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Talk shit all you want about Dragonflight but daily reminder that 6.3 is worse than 5.3 in every single fucking way it's not even close. If 6.3 is a sign of the future of XIV than it looking pretty damn grim.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rent free.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Rent free.
        This doesn't work if the guy is right, though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      5.3 was the best patch the game has ever had. That's not an honest comparison to make. 2.3, 3.3, and 4.3 don't hold a candle to 5.3 by any metric either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no one expected 5.3 to be as good as it was, since 5.2 was dull.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what Danuser's retcons have done but here is Sargeras's fall as of Chronicles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
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      Anonymous

      That got retconned alongside rest of the book

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well. Shit. At least the artwork looks cool.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        proof?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what kind of libtard asks for proof lol. just accept it chud

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"nothing could be so dire as to warrant systemic extinction"
      >anyway, then we installed this reset button in Ulduar that is going to wipe the whole planet should it ever get corrupted. Ingenious, isn't it?

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i got to lvl cap on my rogue, did some pvp (half epic glad gear), some pve, 1 raid. let the 30 days sub run out.
    maybe ill come back next xpac.
    dragonflight i rate 6/10. its not complete shit, just meh.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should really make a new MMO already. Preferably something that resembles as little as possible of WoW.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      their new MMO is called diablo 4

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's dumb
        arpgs are not mmos
        wow is barely an mmo even

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blizzard doesn't have the talent anymore.
      everyone from the old devs already left.
      They have nothing but twitter trannies and yes guys left. it's over

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Riot lead developers say that they are “big fans of WoW”. Kek. There’s no hope

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They went and hired the people who ruined WoW too. Hillarious.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does anyone think Riot is stupid enough to copy a failed system like m+? Maybe they’re actually that retarded and League of Legends was just lightning in a bottle.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If Blizzard is known for polishing and casualizing whatever is popular then selling it to the unwashed masses, Riot just copies whatever shit comes from Blizzard's asshole and pukes on top of it.
            So to answer your question, it doesn't matter, Riot still has yet to release a good game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blizzard is already in the process of making some pseudo-MMO(think a few hundred players per server ala Ark) survival game.

      https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23768911/create-a-new-universe-with-us

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wtf is that helmet+hood, how do you even take that off

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shiny chinesium mirror hanging in the forest not a great sign.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They maybe try a Vermintide clone, but they will ruin it with diversity and lgbt garbage.

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  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This game will be even more dead when China leaves.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >m+ run totals are way higher than they were in shadowlands first weeks
    >Valdrakken always full of people
    >Always people out in the world doing events
    >Dungeon and raid queues only a few minutes long or instant for tank heal

    Meanwhile in final fanchud fortee one per cent land:
    crickets
    Tumbleweed passing by

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They’re anticipating competing with the new Riot MMO by making the WoW universe into…basically a LoL for white californians. That makes real LoL seem about as gritty as duke nuke. Riot will mop them i think.

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey how come ZIV never announced expansion sales numbers

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    play FFXIV

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did, I beat the game and unsubbed
      standing around limsa and pretending to be a girl isn't my thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Outside MSQ it's just an ERP dungeon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      even jservers cant save the game from its playerbase.

      There’s a good reason most people in the world do not socialize like they do in that game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >off-model fanart
      You're no better than the Alexfag

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Yshtola was actually that slutty, maybe FF would actually be good. Instead its just homosexual gay shit with Hythlodaeus and Emet Reddit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I may be in the minority but I actually like how the girls in FFXIV feel more like real characters while still being sexy (while not slutting it up).

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dragonsharts big patch is just a battlepass!
    DEAD GAME

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dragon sex

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mental illness

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no u

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played it a bit, got to 2300 M+, cleared the raid on heroic and then called it for now. Maye I'll grind my M+ to 2400 for arbitrary reasons but I'm cool with playing different shit till season 2 now.

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