A single wizard with Invisibility + Teleportation + Mind Control could take control of every major government, financial and military institutions in ...

A single wizard with Invisibility + Teleportation + Mind Control could take control of every major government, financial and military institutions in the world in a few hours without any muggle even noticing that a war has started (and has been won).
This is a fact.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    D&D and its imitators are a slurry of inconsistent trash, and always have been.
    This is a fact.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In harry potter?

    Teleportation, for most wizards, isn't particularly long range and becomes less reliable under stress. Invisibility is something extremely rare and only possible with cloaks made from magic gorilla hair (it's why Harry's is so special). Mind Control is generally seen as something unreliable long-term, as people break free.

    I don't disagree, but it takes more effort than a single wizard. Wizards in Harry Potter are shown to manipulate muggle governments, and only do not have shadow control because they have no desire to control muggle affairs.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cape-dependant invisibility
    >fireplace based travel
    >stick based techniques
    big doubt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cape-dependant invisibility
      And? It's like any form of sci-fi stealth gear, why would it be a problem? You just need once, you put on you and that's it, you're invisible as long as you have it on you.
      It's actually better and more reliable than a spell you have to cast.

      >fireplace based travel
      High level wizards can teleport through spells. Fireplace teleportation is for the civilians of the HPverse, but we're talking about sending a lone wizard taking control of the whole muggle world here, he'd obviously be picked among elite Aurors or whatever the wizard world has as a military force.

      >stick based techniques
      And? Harry Potter has one of the most reliable magic system in all fictions, you point your stick somewhere, say the right word and boom, you cast the spell. No long rituals involved, litterally 0 chances of failing the spell as soon as you're older than 13, spells of all sorts can be spammed like a litteral machine gun, as accurate as a gun, etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >say the right word
        "It's levi-OH-sa", and the fact that the killing curse needs to be backed up with sheer hatred and willingness to kill the person you're aiming it at, that's two things I can think of but I've not read the books in like 15 years. Granted the second one could've just been Barty Crouch lying about forbidden magic to make potential threats less likely to use it against him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In book 7 Harry learned one of Snapes childhood homebrew spells scribbled in an old alchemy text book. I can't remember what it was called but Harry uses it on Malfoy when an argument gets past the polite stage. The spell caused heavy slicing of the skin and tissue and Malfoy nearly bled to death.

          It seems to be very easy to kill with magic. The killing curse seems to be only remarkable because it can't be blocked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Killing curse can be blocked and countered, its remarkable because if its successful it is instantaneous death. Its considered unforgivable because while there are many spells that can be used to kill, the killing curse in particular has no other practical use. Even bombarda has practical uses besides making your enemy's insides their outsides.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm trying to think of a practical application for Snape's "cut that b***h up" spell. So far all I've got is modern art making.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cutting rope?
                But in all seriousness, Snape was an edgy emo teen who got bullied by jocks. Him makinf that spell is the equivalent of "borrowing" your dad's gun. He was just too much of a pussy to use it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm trying to imagine the societal aftermath of wizard school shooting and it's happening in a castle so this song seems appropriate.

                We know that nothing would change because it did happen and nothing changed. The whole Voldermort thing was just a former and very troubled former student collecting the special ed kids, r/niceguys and werewolves/sexual predators together and getting even. Crack baby elves continue to be enslaved, the gaints are still headed towards extinction, the centaurs are still on the reservations, the most petty and rehabilitable criminals are still sent to the same prison as the terrorists and murderers to have their redeeming qualities extracted by wraiths and we know afterwards that most of this could have been avoided if Dumbledore hadn't been an insufferable shitstain for decades.

                But the status quo is God.

                [...]
                While it is definitely a weapon that has few other uses, Seven Slashes is not instantly lethal.

                I don't see how that's a redeeming feature of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                According to Rowling, Hermione removed the discriminatory pro-pureblood and anti-creature laws when she became Minister of Magic
                Which is absurdly fricking funny because it implies Shacklebolt did absolutely fricking nothing to those even though he was in power for twenty years. They fought a war and got the guy in charge and he just sat on his ass and did frick all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cutting rope?
                But in all seriousness, Snape was an edgy emo teen who got bullied by jocks. Him makinf that spell is the equivalent of "borrowing" your dad's gun. He was just too much of a pussy to use it.

                While it is definitely a weapon that has few other uses, Seven Slashes is not instantly lethal.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *book 6

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody is talking about the Killing Curse here, moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah Harry Potter is weird with magic. There’s an emphasis on making the correct wand motions and pronouncing the spells correctly but the books also fairly routinely show magic being done with neither wand movements or words, and in book six it’s described that sufficient focus and will is what lets you do that, so theoretically the words and even wands are unnecessary as anything other than a learning aid to create mental shortcuts to muster the focus and directed will for magic but that’s never really explored in any depth. There’s also the matter of, like you said, some spells having emotional components like the torture curse failing when Harry tries it in the fifth book because while he’s extremely angry he lacks the sadism to do it correctly, and the fourth book makes a vague mention of “a lot of power” being needed for the killing curse on top of a genuine contempt for life, but the exact nature of what makes a wizard “powerful” is never defined or expanded upon because Rowling made a book series about children going to school to learn magic without ever establishing clearly the rules of magic and just using it as a scapegoat to pull shit out of her ass when she wrote herself into a corner, like how she established that you can infinitely duplicate anything as long as you have some base material to work with in the seventh book without seeming to consider that this fact should propel the wizards into a post scarcity utopia, or a host of other things, my personal favorite being the unspoken implication that wizards just don’t love their kids, because apparently lily potter was the only mother in the entirety of the war to shield her child and beg for her son’s life in the face of death.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Harry Potter has one of the most reliable magic system in all fictions
        Begone, movieshitter

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My thread, my rules.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would he need invisibility?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not to be seen? Hello?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hunting season started already?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Next time you actually play an RPG you should try that and see how it goes.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The government is already rum by gnomes, who are we resistant to magic and have bred half ogre bodyguards to kill any male wizards while female wizards are captured and sent to the breeding factory

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >world made with shitty witting has moronic moronic implications.
    Well, yeah, the HP world is incredibly moronic as soon as you think about it for one second.
    Inb4 “but muh D&D”, that’s why court wizards are a thing in every D&D setting, the idea of muggles and wizards is stupid, wizards would conquer and slave muggles in half a day without any one realizing

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's been done before. Results were not great.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mind control US president
    >Try to launch a nuclear first-strike
    >The rest of the government stops him

    Unless the wizard could mind control an unlimited amount of people, but in that case you might as well just say the wizard has a spell that makes him control the world. My wizard has an anti-nuclear umbrella spell and a spell that makes your wizard gay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So when I say "take control of all government, military and financial institution in a few hours" you hear "take control of just one guy (who's just a puppet for the actual rulers) and that's it"?
      Are you moronic?

      At the very least we're talking about taking control of hundreds of individuals, and interrogating various people in power to know about the identity and locations of people at the top of the foodchain. That's why it'd take a few hours and not one minute, genius. It would be even faster if we were allowing the use of mind reading but this thought exercise is built upon the use of only three spells.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You underestimate the amount of peoples involved in any decision for any big structure like government or giant corporation, from it's conception to it's realization.
        A sudden takeover could do a lot of damage, especially for things that, by design, have very few check or ability to rollback the decision, like submarine ICBM lunch but a slow and covert corruption of established leadership would be far more effective.
        And your wizard will quickly realize that those at the "top of the foodchain" are but puppets themself to unimaginable machines of which they are but cogs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >So when I say "take control of all government, military and financial institution in a few hours"
        With what spell?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imperius.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's illegal bro

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also not 100% effective, any regular person with sufficient willpower can resist its' effects.

              And while homosexuals in the Govt might not be all that smart, they surely are not lacking in sheer will.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The sheer stubborness and spite the typical government worker has would make a mule look reasonable, and I can only assume its amplified for those with actual authority and power. Someone using Imperius would need to be putting in overtime for that to work longterm.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We're talking about a war and taking control of the world, not going for a picnic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who would be waging this war?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just one dude. It's the Terry A. Davis of the wizarding world. He's become convinced that the governments of the world are being controlled by Clockwork Elves, often via the unaware goblin bankers who wrongly believe that they are the ones in control, from the fractal reality he glimpsed after doing a line of pixie dust.

                He's dangerous, he thinks in the broken way of wizards but occasionally that part of his mind the pixie dust opened spills light across his brain and he starts to think like a muggle. He starts applying some degree of reasoning beyond rote learning and starts to ask dangerous questions about the magic like "how" and "why".

                He's considered insane, a broken and sad man. His mind wrent by trauma beyond mending. Seeing things in the shadows and faces in the clouds and drawing unreasonable conclusions from them.

                He's right only by total coincidence. His name is Xenophilius Lovegood, father of Luna. It's Nargles. Magic is caused by Nargles. They're running the world for unknowable reasons.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you think Nargles are just letting him do it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hell no. They're quite opposed his actions and they must be getting desperate if the number of police officers and aurors that have been chasing him are any indication.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe you should read the first post of a thread before posting in it, you room-temperature IQ fricking braindead dimwit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The OP talks about a single wizard, but does not elaborate who this wizard is supposed to be, to what group he is supposed to be part, and why all the other wizards on the planet would let him wage a war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody cares what is the backstory of this wizard, and it is completely irrelevant for this thought exercise. He could be a dark wizard who doesn't give a frick about the laws and is not interested in conquering a little island when he could turn his sight to the much bigger muggle world, he could be a combat-wizard commissionned by the Minister to take over the muggle world when they suddenly realize that if they weren't all terminally braindead they would be ruling over 8 billion muggles easily, he could be your mom.

                >why all the other wizards on the planet would let him wage a war.

                Voldemort and his 30 death eaters didn't need any authorization to do what he wanted and he was messing with the wizarding world as he pleased. Here we're talking about attacking muggles, which no one in the wizarding world would care about (because they're all stupid, but for the purpose of this exercise we'll assume that there is at least one wizard in the entire magic world who has a triple-digits IQ and this is the guy we're following).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and it is completely irrelevant for this thought exercise.
                It's only irrelevant if you take a single thing from the setting while disregarding completely everything else. What you said simply doesn't work if the wizard society exist. It only works if you have a wizard falling into a portal to modern Earth where is the only one with magic.
                >He could be a dark wizard who doesn't give a frick about the laws and is not interested in conquering a little island when he could turn his sight to the much bigger muggle world,
                Voldemort was one of the most powerful wizards of the century and failed to conquer a single island. Why do you think a random wizard is going to do better?
                >he could be a combat-wizard commissionned by the Minister to take over the muggle world when they suddenly realize that if they weren't all terminally braindead they would be ruling over 8 billion muggles easily,
                The Minister is not interested in doing that, they gain nothing to do it, and in order to do that they would need to go to war with all the other wizard governments of the world.
                >he could be your mom.
                My mom doesn't have the knowledge necessary to recognise which individuals would need to be Imperiod in order to control the world. She also can't do magic.
                >Voldemort and his 30 death eaters didn't need any authorization to do what he wanted and he was messing with the wizarding world as he pleased.
                Voldemort was a terrorist in a state of war with the wizard government of Great Britain. He barely managed to take control of a the wizard government of a single country before getting btfo.
                >Here we're talking about attacking muggles, which no one in the wizarding world would care about
                Attacking muggles and casting spells at them is explicitly a crime in wizard society. Death eaters were wanted criminals for that among other things. The event at the Quidditch World Cup were a bunch of Death Eaters got drunk and attacked muggles was explicitly seen as a shocking event.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Don't know what a thought experiment is" the post.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Explicitly says in the OP that what he is claiming is a fact
                >"But but actually it was just a thought experiment, you aren't supposed to point out holes in a thought experiment"
                Pathetic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gee, when you put it like I do sound a bit simple-minded, don't I? Now anyway go on about how an invisible wizard will cast spells to hypnotise the world's governments to take over the world.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah and I bet all the other wizards would just watch and do nothing

    >But they'll just organise with other wizards
    You know what the biggest group of organised wizards is called? The Government.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In 5th: Assuming you mean "Dominate Person" and "Greater Invisibility" because either would be available to a caster with Teleport; he would be able to control one person or disappear with concentration. A wizard in this case would only be able to take control of _An_ institution, and only in so far as that they control the head of said organization.

    In 3.5, dominate person is more practical as it is sustained by a single round of focus per target; requiring only to reestablish control on a roughly biweekly or weekly basis of rotating domination.

    Both of these rely on victims failing saves and like any Wizard round in SS13 will show you, all it takes is one person important or crazy enough to believe there is magic going on and that it has to stop to make your bid for world domination have to overcome the natural enemy of the wizard: 12 gauge buckshot.

    Other systems similarly require substantial investment into a dominance strategy of such a kind that, while of an unusual nature, isn't substantially different than a political or military coup and, similarly, relies on cooperation or deception of entrenched members of the institution.

    Overall, C-, see me after class. We need to discuss your divination grades too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thinking a 12g shotgun is a threat to a wizard who has access to 5th level spells
      See me after class dumbo

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The main problem with this plan is bumping into the at least 7 other invisible wizards trying to do the same exact thing and all of you tumbling like dominos onto the floor and then getting shot by the security detail.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Invisibility
    Only a particular device which may or may not have been made by Death himself can do this reliably.

    >Teleportation
    Easily blocked and intercepted.

    >Mind Control
    Can be resisted or warded.

    Every muggle government already has wizards protecting it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Until someone makes a save, is naturally immune, guards are hidden with some kind of true sight...

    Handwavium, c**t.

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