>become unstoppable dank smash ball sphere king that makes even word bearers shit their pants and spares you 10.000+ days of torment that even dank eldars makes queasy
>old aquaintance show up >dont because bad >ok lol
This literally happened in all the great classics of literature
>become unstoppable dank smash ball sphere king that makes even word bearers shit their pants and spares you 10.000+ days of torment that even dank eldars makes queasy
>old aquaintance show up >dont because bad >ok lol
That's because Black Library is fanfiction. The only goal is to advertise chunks of plastic and paints for them that cost hundreds of dollars. It's the naked economic exploitation of high-functioning autists and retards drawn in by forty year old art that was thematic at the time.
I don't mean it is dubious canon, I mean it was the quality of a fanfic on some forum. It got everything, Ollanius donut steel, disjointed narrative, mediocre prose, pretentious writing, Big E feeling like a retarded schizo so the author could have his plot happen.
>Nooooo you're not allowed to make money off of your product! >You have to give me all your ideas for free because it's MY HOBBY even though it's your IP
I mean, the fluff is just crazy genre fiction but if everyone thought like you the hobby wouldn't even fucking exist because any company trying to push hobby products would just go broke.
>lol isn't it retarded that spergs will buy detailed chunks of plastic for hundreds of dollars when they could get equally detailed chunks of plastic from other companies for much cheaper >NOOOOO THEY CAN'T GIVE AWAY THEIR PRODUCT FOR FREE!!!! I HAVE TO PAY THEM THOUSANDS!
That's why you never read the Important™ Lore™ novels. You read the ones about captain Beerius and his Pissed Platoon getting in over their heads and somehow surviving a genestealer invasion.
Ciaphas Cain and Ibram Gaunt books were in large part what got me into 40k and got me starting with IG.
I much prefer that sort of "down to earth" (relatively) style over the fate of the galaxy and primarch drama books for 40k.
>"down to earth" >Gaunt chainswords 3 plague marines by himself >One guy so manly he can carry an autocannon and fire it on full auto >Chainsword duels >This is in the first 100 pages of a 9+ novel series
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You knew what I meant, focusing on the dumb grunts who are just trying to survive rather than on the high politics and Emp's fuckups. Obviously there's still tons of plot armor.
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Anonymous
>Gaunt chainswords 3 plague marines by himself
he doesn't
>One guy so manly he can carry an autocannon and fire it on full auto
GW has never been consistent on how big autocannons are
>Chainsword duels
makes perfect sense in a setting that has chainswords
there is plenty of legit examples of power wank and plot armor in the GGs series, get better material and stop copy and pasting the same easily discredited stuff
I love how devoid of context crying about Black Library books always are. It’s always meme summaries and then you read the book yourself and find out said summary was a second hand regurgitation
That sounds fine? I mean, for the shit that is the HH after like, the 3rd book this seems pretty much par for the course. You guys wanted 40k to be about Demigod Melodrama, and this sounds like Demigod Melodrama to me.
Then again, I felt like fluff took a nose dive not long after "Inquisitor" was released.
That's because it's not how it happened. It would be like summing up any war like >Hey don't do that >No lol >Haha you fool, I wanted you to do that now I'm Israel.
Like all 40k fans, he passed all his English classes with a D- and then never read another book again until he found 40k and started speaking about spess mehreens
Gaunt was an orthodox good man, especially since he was almost nothing like the archetypal 40k commissar. So were nearly all the Tanith named characters.
He wasn't Abnett's character, he is Sharpe from Bernard Cornwell novels, in tru GW fashion Abnett just slapped 40k paintcoat at this and called it a day.
He walked into Legion negotions with MADE TO BE SHOT DOWN and was given the green light to every single one. Dan does whatever the fuck he wants because perpetual preteens can't stop jacking off to inquisitior and gaunts ghost.
I can't shit on him entirely, who knows what kind of bizarre restrictions on content/characterization GW puts on him.
He walked into Legion negotions with MADE TO BE SHOT DOWN and was given the green light to every single one. Dan does whatever the fuck he wants because perpetual preteens can't stop jacking off to inquisitior and gaunts ghost.
He used to be a decent hack until his illness, there is a sudden precipitous drop in quality at that point and books started becoming unreadable. He was always a hack who stole other people's ideas from other genres and shifted it into another one hoping no one would notice. His comics are rejected warhammer stories and his warhammer stories are rejected comics, that he is regarded as the Nabokov of BL shows what an absolute dumpster fire they are, very possibly the worst pulp ever printed and only consumed by imbeciles who think Ready Player One is pretentious. Even when he was ok he thought lasers moved at the speed of a thrown rock and caused recoil.
Remember the piece of lore from VS novel about the Emperor striking a bargain with the Chaos Gods in exchange for a sum of their power. What the Emperor offered them in return is something only a god in waiting could.
Horus was close to getting the Emperor to honour hid bargain with the Gods.
Holy fucking shit this sounds stupid as fuck. Why can't the fun pulpy scifi fantasy ripoff setting just stick to the basics like it did back in the day? Horus gets greedy, horus turns to chaos and takes half the military with him to terra, civil war nearly
destroys empire, horus and emperor kill each other, emperor is put on life support, imperium slowly degenerates and eventually dies over the course of 10,000 years. Why can't 40k be simple???
Except it wasn't they show up in every Abnett book except for maybe Prospero Burns
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Good thing after Legion Abnett wrote total of 3 books, one of them Prospero Burns, that give us 2/47 books and then in Old Earth Eldrad just murdered them just like that. Cabal was dropped into non existence and then killed just to be sure.
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Anonymous
When the majority of the books are padding and filler who really cares. If they dropped the Perpetuals then they had a weird way of doubling down with Erda
3 weeks ago
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>When the majority of the books are padding and filler who really cares
Yes including Prospero burns because this is another book about same event but from wolves perspective and Unremembered Empire that was 100% filler book.
Erda you mean Abnett's perpetual space karen who he introduced as important character only to be perma killed by Erebus in next book by another author?
Do you seriously want 40k to be torture porn? You are what is killing the west. You are a plague on our culture, postmodernist, moralistic scum
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>Accuses others of killing culture >Degrades the most noble and ancient art of baiting with this drivel
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Yes. I do want it to be "torture porn." I want to see guys in funny armor with funny names kill each other for funny reasons. I want 40k to be a fucking Monty Python sketch from hell
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>le bad guys can't be threatening
I swear I loved hearing the screaming of "le noblebright" homosexuals when End times happened for Fantasy and Chaos won.
>Chaos won >The Emperor is so powerful now he is able to easily manifest himself inside Nurgle's garden and permanently injure him, without even completing his ascension >Can also revive primarchs like it's nothing >one by one the loyalist primarchs are returning, unlocking their full potential and gaining powers that put them even further away from any chaos servant
Chaos trannies are FUCKED
this is bait right, not even the biggest retard can miss the mark on why the original Ohls sacrifice was impactful
There was no guardsman and his sacrafice.
There are 2 version of events, one of them is that Imperia Fist Terminator other that Custodian sacraficed himself and got eyelasered by Horus, guardsmen is never mentioned. Ollanus always was Ministorum propaganda that regular guardsman can sacrafice himself for Emperor and make diference, in reality this guardsmen never existed.
All of you are fools. The setting should not be just a joke or have a guaranteed happy ending. It should be up in the air for any faction to "win", and that should be a distant and unlikely possibility for all of them, likely requiring incalculable sacrifice. I was promised a fucking eternity of carnage and slaughter, and that should be the state of affairs until something gives and one of the factions gets the upper hand.
This guy gets it. I ditched the GW ruleset made my own and now me and the boys all have our own dudes. TLDR on the lore changes. >Emps decides to use a controlled detonation of the golden throne to kill Horus, the Sol system becomes a minor warp storm known as The Eye of Contempt. >Loyalist Primachs escaped through the webway in the final days of the siege, some chaos Champions who were far enough from the epicenter of the blast and had enough favor with the gods re-emerged in the eye, Horus and Emps both ceased to exist. >Traitor Casualties were far higher, most were lost in the death of Sol, scouring was still able to happen despite a far weaker imperium. >Imperium Secundus is new Imperium but Guilliman taking the firm lead and asserting his authority too hard leads to friction with his brothers as his somewhat petty nature from Unremembered Empire starts to show. Some Primarchs/Legions abandon Ultrimar and try to make it on their own. >Dorn in particular is pissed seeing Guilliman as a traitor who used this situation for his own benefit and fucks off to fortify the area around the eye of terror. >Years go by and the Pirmarchs start to go missing one by one. >Dorn and Abaddon kill each other in the 1st black crusade, bringing an end to the Black Legion and fracturing the forces of chaos. >Calgar has to Exterminatus Maccrage during the Tyrannic War to finish off the Nids and deny them the genes of his Primarch. Papa Smurf dies with his planet. >M41 the galaxy is fractured to shit, a thousand petty human empires war with each other for control of the galaxy as Xenos run rampant. >The space marines are a dying breed, scattered into Demi legions, each fighting for their own causes, some ruling kingdoms of their own. >Some groups of marines have been raised from gene seed stolen by petty empires, forming demi-legions who don't even know their Primarch's name, known as Bastard Sons. >The "Imperium" is hanging in there but just barely.
cool stuff reminds me of that one 50k fanfiction, because thats what that sounds like, a future of 40k but not 40k itself.
All of you are fools. The setting should not be just a joke or have a guaranteed happy ending. It should be up in the air for any faction to "win", and that should be a distant and unlikely possibility for all of them, likely requiring incalculable sacrifice. I was promised a fucking eternity of carnage and slaughter, and that should be the state of affairs until something gives and one of the factions gets the upper hand.
You're right anon, but who is current 40k not >a fucking eternity of carnage and slaughter
The new range of space marines and tyranids was decided on who gets a planet, guillimans indomitus crusade, while kinda capeshit just made it so theres even more wars happening than normal, Angron kills/turns a whole like seventh of the crusade force, the palace guards have left terra and are fighting, SoB are back getting killed en masse. All in all war is business and business is good. No one can win but they some factions could win and it takes a lot to stop that from happening, an endless stalemate
Glad you liked it, I was well aware of some superficial similarities to that story but I think I've done enough to take it in it's own direction to be it's own thing. Here's some more fun facts. >The threat of the Tyranids is less severe because the abundance of Orks caused the hive fleets to get dogpiled by clans looking to get their hands on big teef and a good fight. Frequent conflicts has led to an advancement in Ork Tek, with the "Squishy Shootas" and other crude biological technology made from mutated squigs >The Kroot are vastly more widespread due to the increased willingness for post-Imperium states to work with Xenos out of necessity, with some having staged coups and become dictators and warlords over human civilizations. A cold war has formed between the Tau Empire and the alliance of the Farsight Enclaves and the Kroot Hunt (Name for the Kroot Empire) that has hindered their expansion into a far less unified galaxy. >The Eldar's plan to destroy humanity to defeat Chaos has partially succeeded. Without the existence of the Inquisition or a larger body, the threat of Chaos is more well known and documented and similar to Warhammer Fantasy, due to this basic understanding it can be better defended against. However it still remains a constant threat, albeit a more insidious one. >There are Imperial Daemons, though it is unknown if a 5th god was born from the Death of Sol. Every so often a large fleet of strange ships emerge from the Eye of Contempt bringing with it a Greater Daemon of Immense Power leading a host of strange angelic creatures ranging from Custodes like entities to biblically accurate angels. These "Golden Crusades" then proceed invade planets, their innate corruption causing an obsession with unity as those effected utterly loose their sense of self. The enthralled then construct esoteric industrial complexes used to construct more ships and demons as they try to build an empire.
Sangy keeps hitting Horus until he's about to execute him. And then Horus pulls an anime move, blocking his swing, and then beats the living shit out of Sangy.
I really loved the part where Horus tore of one of Sangy's wings and clubbed him with it until all the feathers were stripped from it like a chicken wing. I'm guessing that's a callback easter egg from The Devastation of Baal, where they have one of Sangy's feathers in stasis with moist blood on it.
>horus removes his terminator armor. >"forgive me janus, I must go all-out just this once....." >"raghhhhhh" >"n....n..nani? W...what is this killing intent? Is... is it coming from horus?"
"Where did he go? Aghhhhh...." >horus stabs sangunius through the back. >"ah.... I see now. You intentionally limited yourself to lure me in before making a true and just strike. Truly you carry the soul of a warrior to endure such pain to carry out your objective." >cherry blossoms float down from off screen. >"ahhhh. I'm glad I could witness them one last time." >sangunius cradles a cherry blossom in his hand. >"human life is much like a cherry blossom. Beautiful but finite." >sangunius collapses. Dead. >hours cries.
Top ten anime battl of all time.
>horus removes his terminator armor. >"forgive me janus, I must go all-out just this once....." >"raghhhhhh" >"n....n..nani? W...what is this killing intent? Is... is it coming from horus?"
"Where did he go? Aghhhhh...." >horus stabs sangunius through the back. >"ah.... I see now. You intentionally limited yourself to lure me in before making a true and just strike. Truly you carry the soul of a warrior to endure such pain to carry out your objective." >cherry blossoms float down from off screen. >"ahhhh. I'm glad I could witness them one last time." >sangunius cradles a cherry blossom in his hand. >"human life is much like a cherry blossom. Beautiful but finite." >sangunius collapses. Dead. >hours cries.
Top ten anime battl of all time.
>Sanguinius lashes out with his left hand, gouging desperate fingers at his brother’s cheek and eyes. Horus barks in rage, and drops his prey. Sanguinius falls onto his knees, jarring every wound, then topples onto his side. He tries to rise, trembling, weak. He wants to be on his feet when it happens. He wants to be standing when–
>Worldbreaker catches him before he is even back on his knees. The clubbing blow breaks his left shoulder, ribs and left femur. He collapses, trying not to scream from the pain, and failing. Horus starts to bludgeon him, beating him repeatedly like a disobedient dog. There is no art in this any more. No martial skill. No patience. Worldbreaker shreds armour and flesh. It pulverises both collarbones. It ruptures a lung. A fine drizzle of blood fumes the air around the two figures, the brutal, beating giant and his prey. The sixth hammering impact twists Sanguinius’ head around, shattering his jaw, and transmitting such force that the skin on the left half of his face, from brow to chin, is flayed loose. It flutters, then drapes back like a slack mask.
>As he falls forward, the Talon vices him again. It lifts the ruined, tattered Angel into the air, until he is face to face with the first-found instrument of Chaos.
>Horus squeezes slowly. He is expecting some last word, some immortal and heroic declaration to mark the end of a majestic, noble life. It ought to be something good, something appropriate.
>But Sanguinius is no longer capable of speech. He is drowning in his own blood.
>The claws close. There is a double crack of spine and neck.
>Horus waits. Blood drips. It’s done.
>The Talon opens with a mechanical clack. His brother’s corpse, so loose and mangled it seems almost boneless, drops to the deck. An ugly sound of impact to mark an ugly ending.
>Horus sighs and walks away. Things scurry forward from the shadows to nail the body up.
RIP BOZO.
>trying not to scream from the pain
Guys just can't write demigods. The pain tolerance of these dudes should be way beyond this stuff. Every 40k novel fight scene just turns into >godlius felt his penis shatter. he whimpered and moaned and pissed a little
When basic space marine fluff will be all >sergeant killus felt all his skin felt off. He grumbled at the inconvenience
A primarch should be extremely pained by getting their shoulder, ribs, and leg broken in a single blow (while already worn down and mortally wounded elsewhere).
No, he is absolutely right. Space marines are both made and conditioned to basically feel no pain, or at least no consequence from it (shock, disorientation etc.) and primarchs should be that much more resistant to it.
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Anonymous
Nah thats complete nonsense. Not only would a space marine be dead by the wounds Sanguinius takes (even before Horus hits him) but they would certainly cry out in pain from something that crushed in half of their body.
People seem to forget that its not just the worldbreaker hit, thats just the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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Anonymous
Sanguinius took psychic lance from eldar titan to his chest once, Guilliman was walking in hard vaccum of space without helmet when he was vented from his ship bridge for 6 or it was 12 hours, Lorgar tanked plasma from warhound titan on his face, Curze got relic power sword stuck in his spine, he just walked it off, damage that would vaporise marine is just flesh wound for them, Primachs are just built diferent.
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Anonymous
None of those wounds are as bad as having your shoulder, leg, and all ribs broken in a single attack. Like, half of Sanguinius' body was pulped.
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Anonymous
I would argue plasma bolt that can melt tank and vaporise nearby infantry taken to the face would be more painfull, burns are very painfull.
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>ESL is overly fixated on powerlevel bullshit
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No because for something to pulp a primarchs body like that it would have to hit far harder.
The strike that crippled Sanguinius would have pulverised and flung a tank through the air like a professionally driven golf ball.
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Well, that depends on how serious the burns are. Fourth degree burns are painless, because they go so deep the nerve endings responsible for pain response are just gone.
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Anonymous
Yes they are you absolute fucking cretin, stop posting
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No they are not you fucking brainlet. Take plasma for example: >A bright flash of plasma burst from the trees and hit Karraidin square in the abdomen. The superheated liquid plasma ate through his abdominal plate and pushed Karraidin backwards, his armoured boots digging into the rock beneath him. But Karraidin did not fall—with awesome strength he held his ground, and when the flare of the plasma blast died down there was a great crater melted in the armour covering his stomach. Amid the metallic stink of vaporised metal, Sarpedon could smell cooked flesh.
vs >Ferrus dropped his guard and hammered his fist into Fulgrim’s face, the force of the blow enough to crush the helmet of Tactical Dreadnought armour, but barely enough to bruise the flesh of a primarch.
A slap from a primarch would do more damage to a terminator than a plasma shot. Horus is easily hitting harder and doing more damage than a point blank tank round would. But oooh Guilliman didn't have his helmet on in space! Wowzers!
So, let me get this straight. The EMPEROR, made a bargain where he would gain the Knowledge of making the Primarchs, but in turn become a 5th Chaos God?
Christ, its Fucking 50 and 60K all fucking over again.
Why for the love of God, will people keep trying to bring in fucking CHAOS ORDER?! That shit went and died in the 90's in fantasy, and even when it did live, it was only because Chaos was a catch all term back then, hence their being a Chaos God of Atheism, despite the contradiction of what that implies, so STOP FUCKING TRYING TO BRING IT BACK!!!
>hence their being a Chaos God of Atheism, despite the contradiction of what that implies
The contradiction is literally the entire point of Malal though
No, He's the God of fucking Chaos. The god that hates everyone and everything, including himself. The god Im talking about, is fucking Necoho, who was written as a stand in for him, when Malal got into hot water in a legal fight Between GW and another group. Heres his page: https://1dGanker.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods#Necoho
>The contradiction is literally the entire point of Malal though
Correct, that's why Malal is fucking retarded and not canon. Belakor is a better implementation of 'Chaos Fucking Over Chaos' anyway.
Wait a fucking second, that means that now in 40k, EMP. is literally and completely confirmed to be a God. Alright, rolling back what makes Ol tell EMP to not become a God then? And please, dont let it be as fucking cringe as that God awful shit from Babylon, please!
>Wait a fucking second, that means that now in 40k, EMP. is literally and completely confirmed to be a God.
No. He had the opportunity to become one but did not go through with it. > what makes Ol tell EMP to not become a God then?
Because doing so would mean the destruction of the physical universe and the complete triumph of Chaos.
Gods don't really have personalities, Khorne just want bloodsheed, Slaanesh excess, Nurgle corruption and Tzeentch change, if it destroys world well too bad not that they care 99% of their attention is in materium focusing on Great Game and beside 40k universe they have diferent universes like AoS to draw power from at the same time. Don;t treat chaos gods as persons with goals and personalities, think of them as idea, emotion given sentence.
Nurgle's whole parental personal IS a personality. Khorne getting mad at Scarbrand for being dishonourable IS a personality.
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Anonymous
>Khorne getting mad at Scarbrand for being dishonourable
Khorne wasn't mad at Skarbrand being dishonourable, Khorne don;t care about honour, he got mad that something dared to attack him.
Khorne was never about honour, he cares only that blood flows.
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Anonymous
The important part of Skarbrand's backstory was that Skar tried to backstab Khorne instead of challanging him face to face. If Skar just wanted a death match Khorne woulnd't mind
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Anonymous
No it's not, Khorne was angry that he was attacked, not because muh honour, neither 40k codexes or whf armybooks mention anything about honour, Khorne just got mad because he was attacked.
Also Khorne never cared about honour, only about bloodsheed, even in realm of chaos from 1989, his biggest mortal choosen having nickname Betrayer should be dead giveaway.
Of course feel free to prove me wrong and give some source.
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Anonymous
The entire basis behind the reason Khornates hate Tzeentchians has always been because they're 'seen as sorcerers unwilling to engage in fair and honourable combat.'
If Khorne only cared about bloodshed, then he'd be perfectly fine with sorcerers crushing everything with TK.
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Anonymous
But Khorne don't care about honour, he is okay with smashing defenceless with axe, shooting someone or stabbing ally in the back he just hate sorcery.
He doesn't hate tzeentch because of magic, he hates all other gods as his rivals but Slaanesh most of them.
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Anonymous
>god of fighting got mad he got to fight someone
Gankerner IQ on display I see
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Anonymous
Imagine being Khorne at the moment, you watch some daemons or world eaters murdering children ripping their heads with bare handes, quite chill moment and then some jealous bitch rent your armor at ankle.
Also there wasn't evena a fight more like children abuse and throwing failed daemon out of window.
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Anonymous
>god of being mad gets mad when his little guy gets mad and tries to start a fight with the mad god of fighting
uhh yeah dude
The Chaos Gods want to destroy worlds and universes and keep the remains on their hyperdimensional trophy rooms. Only Slaanesh in the End Times wants to preserve worlds because they are more fun that way.
Gods don't really have personalities, Khorne just want bloodsheed, Slaanesh excess, Nurgle corruption and Tzeentch change, if it destroys world well too bad not that they care 99% of their attention is in materium focusing on Great Game and beside 40k universe they have diferent universes like AoS to draw power from at the same time. Don;t treat chaos gods as persons with goals and personalities, think of them as idea, emotion given sentence.
AoS does establishes them as characters with personalities. We can even read their inner monologues in Malign Portents. It even sorta explains Tzeentch's self-sabotaging plans in a way.
Gods are greedy bryond reason and will cause total destruction in their blind pursuit of whatever ensbles them. They don't realy step back and think of a sustainable way to farm mortals
>That's nonsense. The gods don't want total destruction.
But that's where you're wrong, dummy.
The Chaos gods are actively trying to destroy everything, which would lead to them disappearing as well. They are embodiments of entropy. They can't not want to destroy everything.
Universe wide. The text of the first book says that daemons weren't just coming from the Warp to Terra. They were coming from other realities and universes.
Yes - others within the warp. The warp contains a bunch of sub-layers. But Chaos as whole is anchored to the mortals of the milky way because it's a twisted reflection of them. Daemons got blindsided by nids for ex.
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Nope. Other realities and universes. You headcanon does not apply.
For example this > Daemons got blindsided by nids for ex.
Is retarded headcanon not present anywhere.
In DoB, the Hivemind notes that the Milky Way is strange because its a place where the Warp and the Material intermingled showing that the Tyranids encountered the Warp before.
Moreover, the Necrons have anti-Warp weapons that originated from alien races from other galaxies.
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Anonymous
>Moreover, the Necrons have anti-Warp weapons that originated from alien races from other galaxies.
Sauce on that?
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Anonymous
Mephiston: Revenant Crusade.
>Chaos won >The Emperor is so powerful now he is able to easily manifest himself inside Nurgle's garden and permanently injure him, without even completing his ascension >Can also revive primarchs like it's nothing >one by one the loyalist primarchs are returning, unlocking their full potential and gaining powers that put them even further away from any chaos servant
Chaos trannies are FUCKED
He didn't perma-injure Nurgle. It's just speculation by the daemons. Daemons do not know the minds of their gods. Nurgle ignored everything that happened in Ultramar because he didn't care for it from the start. He was more concerned with the Rift Wars.
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>Daemons do not know the minds of their gods
Unlike the other 3, the daemons of Nurgle are his mini avatars, in that sense they would have greater insight into those matters.
>Big E overdose on warp juice >Become a dark sphere that will become the dark king (5 chaos god) >Ollanius and Loken meet him >Ollanius tell him to stop >Big E say he is right and remove his compasion/ humanity to become GRIM SALVATION.
It mostly lack any good build up that would make it a great scene.
I can't believe they managed to make the revisions of the whole guardsman sacrificing himself and making the Emperor decide to yeet Horus worse and worse each time. Now it's an immortal homo sapien 2.0 showing up and telling crystal-prison Emperor "being a demon is bad".
>it turns out he wasn't really Catheric anyway, he just 'found the ritual comforting' after his wife introduced him to it, and he's actually happy that the Emperor secularized humanity
You're all missing the point. The point isn't WOW GUYS EMPRAH GOT RLY STRONG BUT THEN GAVE IT ALL UP BECAUSE HIS FREIND SAID IT BAD.
It's The Emperor (the man) being confronted with the very literal event horizon between his overbearing godlike ego and his ideals. He chooses to avert his ascension and accept inevitable death at Horus's hands for the sake of his morals and beliefs rather than betraying them one final time to achieve ultimate victory. It's the cognitive dissonance of "big golden armor man with near omnipotence and a giant flaming sword that adopts copious amounts of religious imagery and terminology insists that he isn't a god" reaching a climax and resolution before everything goes to absolute shit. It's not even complicated or subtle, they practically beat you over the head with it (which is pretty lame, but I don't expect much else out of Dan at this point).
>gain near godlike insight, knowledge and intellect >take a moment to pause vapourising chaos to reflect on the long term consequences of that much power >ehhh probably not good >disapates collected warp energy
I think its good, it shows the Emperor being obsessed with achieving his goals in the quickest way possible, which was always Ollanius' problem with his methods, and him being the consistant voice of truth the Emperor would listen to. Emps then accepts the 10,000 years of suffering he no doubt saw when he was almost the dark king as an outcome of giving up his power.
>Ollanius finally abjures the Emperor >doesn’t use his crucifix to do it
The true red herring of the entire Horus Heresy. Otherwise I thought the whole Dark King arc went about as well as it was going to, and there’s still plenty of room for cope interpretation.
They left it vague until this one. His last wife was Catheric and he went along for the pussy. I was disappointed at first, since I hoped he would turn out to be Saint Longinus and have some line about "this isn't the first time I've killed a god", but I suppose the understated reason makes more sense for Oll than a grandiose personal connection to the divine.
There's a line where E is on the verge of the Godhead and says basically "I have become aware of structures beyond structures deeper than I was previously aware of and influences I didn't know existed" and somehow neither of them says "well maybe that's just God huh". Dan is walking a fine line.
I think Abnett was trying to write it as 'dude uses abandoning religion as a metaphor for abandoning his trust in Emps + cajoling Emps to tone down his own self-confidence' but it failed miserably. 30k writing struggles to live up to the depth of 40k because deleting the mystery has been done by borderline redditors instead of a writeup by Gene Wolfe.
why the fuck is oll even a character in the first place?
he should just been left as a background fluff mythical hero of legend. This is my biggest gripe with horus heresy and particularly with dan abnett's fanfic tier storylines, it takes away from any mystery or creativity the player can harness for their armies and own stories, and instead canonizes everything because secondaries want a plot instead of a setting.
the siege of terra books have been so god awful because there's been 50 different writers with their own interpretations and OC donut steel character arcs that they have to constantly flip back and forth and insert these fags into the basic plot of "horus fights emperor" for "character arc closure" or some shit. We needed none of this, give us some actual worldbuilding campaign books or random one-off adventure stories not tied to major overarching plotlines instead of this garbage
I’m somewhat asshurt that when the Emperor restored Oll and all his equipment, he didn’t also restore the cross. I guess we might find out in Volume 3, along with whatever happens to the knife. I’m a lot more invested in the ollanius plot than I thought I’d be.
Did the whole perpetual plotline just end up with
>Just don't man, that will be bad.
>Yeah you're right
This literally happened in all the great classics of literature
name 3
The old bible
The new bible
The future new bible
that doesnt happen in the bible. and is lord of the rings now 3 seperate classics of literature too or what is that israeli trick of splitting hairs?
Don’t respond to bait
I liked how his retcon OC was going, then he gave up at the last minute and turned him into just another Doctor Who reject.
>become unstoppable dank smash ball sphere king that makes even word bearers shit their pants and spares you 10.000+ days of torment that even dank eldars makes queasy
>old aquaintance show up
>dont because bad
>ok lol
>spares you 10.000+ days of torment
so still some 9993 years of torment to endure, then
Wait, what happened?
>Big E almost become the 5 chaos god
>Ollanius come and tell him it wrong
>Lol ok, I'm stopping now
It was bad, like reading some fanfiction.
That's because Black Library is fanfiction. The only goal is to advertise chunks of plastic and paints for them that cost hundreds of dollars. It's the naked economic exploitation of high-functioning autists and retards drawn in by forty year old art that was thematic at the time.
I don't mean it is dubious canon, I mean it was the quality of a fanfic on some forum. It got everything, Ollanius donut steel, disjointed narrative, mediocre prose, pretentious writing, Big E feeling like a retarded schizo so the author could have his plot happen.
Black Library has had its high points, but yeah, it does just seem to be mostly marketing material now.
>Nooooo you're not allowed to make money off of your product!
>You have to give me all your ideas for free because it's MY HOBBY even though it's your IP
I mean, the fluff is just crazy genre fiction but if everyone thought like you the hobby wouldn't even fucking exist because any company trying to push hobby products would just go broke.
>thinks BL keeps Geedubs going
Why contribute stupidity, anon?
>lol isn't it retarded that spergs will buy detailed chunks of plastic for hundreds of dollars when they could get equally detailed chunks of plastic from other companies for much cheaper
>NOOOOO THEY CAN'T GIVE AWAY THEIR PRODUCT FOR FREE!!!! I HAVE TO PAY THEM THOUSANDS!
Can you fucking read?
>you are autistic if you don't share my consumer behavior
Oh dear.
That's why you never read the Important™ Lore™ novels. You read the ones about captain Beerius and his Pissed Platoon getting in over their heads and somehow surviving a genestealer invasion.
Ciaphas Cain and Ibram Gaunt books were in large part what got me into 40k and got me starting with IG.
I much prefer that sort of "down to earth" (relatively) style over the fate of the galaxy and primarch drama books for 40k.
>"down to earth"
>Gaunt chainswords 3 plague marines by himself
>One guy so manly he can carry an autocannon and fire it on full auto
>Chainsword duels
>This is in the first 100 pages of a 9+ novel series
You knew what I meant, focusing on the dumb grunts who are just trying to survive rather than on the high politics and Emp's fuckups. Obviously there's still tons of plot armor.
>Gaunt chainswords 3 plague marines by himself
he doesn't
>One guy so manly he can carry an autocannon and fire it on full auto
GW has never been consistent on how big autocannons are
>Chainsword duels
makes perfect sense in a setting that has chainswords
there is plenty of legit examples of power wank and plot armor in the GGs series, get better material and stop copy and pasting the same easily discredited stuff
Bet you think the star wars films aren't canon
Well at least star wars have any notion of canon.
Entire 40k lore is just advert for miniatures.
Who will take his place as the 5th though?
>he doesn't know
The Vermin King sits on the Throne of the Encroaching Ruin. There are still 3 Thrones to fill.
hashut
I love how devoid of context crying about Black Library books always are. It’s always meme summaries and then you read the book yourself and find out said summary was a second hand regurgitation
That sounds fine? I mean, for the shit that is the HH after like, the 3rd book this seems pretty much par for the course. You guys wanted 40k to be about Demigod Melodrama, and this sounds like Demigod Melodrama to me.
Then again, I felt like fluff took a nose dive not long after "Inquisitor" was released.
Wow that sounds retarded
That's because it's not how it happened. It would be like summing up any war like
>Hey don't do that
>No lol
>Haha you fool, I wanted you to do that now I'm Israel.
>Black Library
>kino
You have never actually read a book since you left high school, have you?
Like all 40k fans, he passed all his English classes with a D- and then never read another book again until he found 40k and started speaking about spess mehreens
Sniffing your own farts on /tg/ is impressive
You have to be over 18 to post here, kiddo.
And the circle jerk of dickheads is here friendo
>more sad lameness
kek
Go back, kid. This place clearly isn't for you.
>complicity
oof
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Dan Abnett is a hack and Aaron Dembski-Bowden is going to troon out.
Dabnett is breddy gud but you are absolutely fucking spot on with Aaron Daddyissueski Baldin'
>verification not required
>Dabnett is breddy gud
He fell off ages ago, zoomie.
Yeah. Abnett is pathologically incapable of writing orthodox good men.
His comic stuff (Nova, GOTG, Marvel UK, Sinister Dexter, Insurrection, The V.C.s) is alright for that
Gaunt was an orthodox good man, especially since he was almost nothing like the archetypal 40k commissar. So were nearly all the Tanith named characters.
He wasn't Abnett's character, he is Sharpe from Bernard Cornwell novels, in tru GW fashion Abnett just slapped 40k paintcoat at this and called it a day.
Genuinely curious if there are people willing to defend his writing
I can't shit on him entirely, who knows what kind of bizarre restrictions on content/characterization GW puts on him.
He walked into Legion negotions with MADE TO BE SHOT DOWN and was given the green light to every single one. Dan does whatever the fuck he wants because perpetual preteens can't stop jacking off to inquisitior and gaunts ghost.
He WAS great. All of his content sucks now, as in everything from Iron Snakes on.
His gaunts ghosts books suck, wasn't a fan of ravenors. The only ones i'll defend are the 3 Eisenhorn books.
Because some people read on the level of children’s books. Anyone who even got to YA level is completely indifferent to any slop 40k produces
He used to be a decent hack until his illness, there is a sudden precipitous drop in quality at that point and books started becoming unreadable. He was always a hack who stole other people's ideas from other genres and shifted it into another one hoping no one would notice. His comics are rejected warhammer stories and his warhammer stories are rejected comics, that he is regarded as the Nabokov of BL shows what an absolute dumpster fire they are, very possibly the worst pulp ever printed and only consumed by imbeciles who think Ready Player One is pretentious. Even when he was ok he thought lasers moved at the speed of a thrown rock and caused recoil.
>only consumed by imbeciles who think Ready Player One is pretentious
feel so seen
Explain. What did Oll do to the Emperor and what do you mean 5th god?
What happened?
Remember the piece of lore from VS novel about the Emperor striking a bargain with the Chaos Gods in exchange for a sum of their power. What the Emperor offered them in return is something only a god in waiting could.
Horus was close to getting the Emperor to honour hid bargain with the Gods.
Holy fucking shit this sounds stupid as fuck. Why can't the fun pulpy scifi fantasy ripoff setting just stick to the basics like it did back in the day? Horus gets greedy, horus turns to chaos and takes half the military with him to terra, civil war nearly
destroys empire, horus and emperor kill each other, emperor is put on life support, imperium slowly degenerates and eventually dies over the course of 10,000 years. Why can't 40k be simple???
>Anon hates complicity and nuance in his fiction
>anon wants things to be black and white
Smoothbrain
because adding a bunch of plot twists allowed them to stretch out a series of known events with a known conclusion into a series with 70+ novels
Basically this, retardation for ala "GRRM le twist".
>cabal
>gets dropped so fucking quick because of how retarded it is
not to mention it's a even more blatant than usual ripoff of nemesis the warlock
Except it wasn't they show up in every Abnett book except for maybe Prospero Burns
Good thing after Legion Abnett wrote total of 3 books, one of them Prospero Burns, that give us 2/47 books and then in Old Earth Eldrad just murdered them just like that. Cabal was dropped into non existence and then killed just to be sure.
When the majority of the books are padding and filler who really cares. If they dropped the Perpetuals then they had a weird way of doubling down with Erda
>When the majority of the books are padding and filler who really cares
Yes including Prospero burns because this is another book about same event but from wolves perspective and Unremembered Empire that was 100% filler book.
Erda you mean Abnett's perpetual space karen who he introduced as important character only to be perma killed by Erebus in next book by another author?
holy shit you are a baby. what armies do you play
My understanding was that if he became TDK, he'd end up killing everything in the galaxy. The whole setting drowning in the Warp. Chaos wins.
>What the Emperor offered them in return is something only a god in waiting could.
What was it?
People.
Remember the whole "laughter of thirsting gods" thing?
>this new
Study moar.
40k fans are too retarded to realize that the emperor and imperium already lost 10k years before 40k and that the gods are reveling in that fact.
t.adb
Don't you have daddy to cry about?
Eternal war and suffering. They got it in the end. Hence "laughter of thirsting gods"
Nope. The Emperor will win in the end. Good stories always have happy endings
Oh, you’re just baiting.
Do you seriously want 40k to be torture porn? You are what is killing the west. You are a plague on our culture, postmodernist, moralistic scum
>Accuses others of killing culture
>Degrades the most noble and ancient art of baiting with this drivel
Yes. I do want it to be "torture porn." I want to see guys in funny armor with funny names kill each other for funny reasons. I want 40k to be a fucking Monty Python sketch from hell
>le bad guys can't be threatening
I swear I loved hearing the screaming of "le noblebright" homosexuals when End times happened for Fantasy and Chaos won.
>Chaos won, and the gods have been playing with their food for 10,000 years
This is a surprise to people?
>Chaos won
>The Emperor is so powerful now he is able to easily manifest himself inside Nurgle's garden and permanently injure him, without even completing his ascension
>Can also revive primarchs like it's nothing
>one by one the loyalist primarchs are returning, unlocking their full potential and gaining powers that put them even further away from any chaos servant
Chaos trannies are FUCKED
The plot of Warhammer is whatever I say it is.
When my dad got me some models at age 11 I made my donut steel OC Spess Mareens and made up my own lore, and my attitude never changed since.
The only anon ITT who knows the true path of hobby is a frogposter.
What do the rest of you troglodytes have to say for yourselves? Jesus Christ.
The best post.
Ohl's retcon and the perpetuals was the best thing to happen to the Horus Heresy. Random guardsman saving the Emperor was always retarded
this is bait right, not even the biggest retard can miss the mark on why the original Ohls sacrifice was impactful
There was no guardsman and his sacrafice.
There are 2 version of events, one of them is that Imperia Fist Terminator other that Custodian sacraficed himself and got eyelasered by Horus, guardsmen is never mentioned. Ollanus always was Ministorum propaganda that regular guardsman can sacrafice himself for Emperor and make diference, in reality this guardsmen never existed.
All of you are fools. The setting should not be just a joke or have a guaranteed happy ending. It should be up in the air for any faction to "win", and that should be a distant and unlikely possibility for all of them, likely requiring incalculable sacrifice. I was promised a fucking eternity of carnage and slaughter, and that should be the state of affairs until something gives and one of the factions gets the upper hand.
This guy gets it. I ditched the GW ruleset made my own and now me and the boys all have our own dudes. TLDR on the lore changes.
>Emps decides to use a controlled detonation of the golden throne to kill Horus, the Sol system becomes a minor warp storm known as The Eye of Contempt.
>Loyalist Primachs escaped through the webway in the final days of the siege, some chaos Champions who were far enough from the epicenter of the blast and had enough favor with the gods re-emerged in the eye, Horus and Emps both ceased to exist.
>Traitor Casualties were far higher, most were lost in the death of Sol, scouring was still able to happen despite a far weaker imperium.
>Imperium Secundus is new Imperium but Guilliman taking the firm lead and asserting his authority too hard leads to friction with his brothers as his somewhat petty nature from Unremembered Empire starts to show. Some Primarchs/Legions abandon Ultrimar and try to make it on their own.
>Dorn in particular is pissed seeing Guilliman as a traitor who used this situation for his own benefit and fucks off to fortify the area around the eye of terror.
>Years go by and the Pirmarchs start to go missing one by one.
>Dorn and Abaddon kill each other in the 1st black crusade, bringing an end to the Black Legion and fracturing the forces of chaos.
>Calgar has to Exterminatus Maccrage during the Tyrannic War to finish off the Nids and deny them the genes of his Primarch. Papa Smurf dies with his planet.
>M41 the galaxy is fractured to shit, a thousand petty human empires war with each other for control of the galaxy as Xenos run rampant.
>The space marines are a dying breed, scattered into Demi legions, each fighting for their own causes, some ruling kingdoms of their own.
>Some groups of marines have been raised from gene seed stolen by petty empires, forming demi-legions who don't even know their Primarch's name, known as Bastard Sons.
>The "Imperium" is hanging in there but just barely.
cool stuff reminds me of that one 50k fanfiction, because thats what that sounds like, a future of 40k but not 40k itself.
You're right anon, but who is current 40k not >a fucking eternity of carnage and slaughter
The new range of space marines and tyranids was decided on who gets a planet, guillimans indomitus crusade, while kinda capeshit just made it so theres even more wars happening than normal, Angron kills/turns a whole like seventh of the crusade force, the palace guards have left terra and are fighting, SoB are back getting killed en masse. All in all war is business and business is good. No one can win but they some factions could win and it takes a lot to stop that from happening, an endless stalemate
Glad you liked it, I was well aware of some superficial similarities to that story but I think I've done enough to take it in it's own direction to be it's own thing. Here's some more fun facts.
>The threat of the Tyranids is less severe because the abundance of Orks caused the hive fleets to get dogpiled by clans looking to get their hands on big teef and a good fight. Frequent conflicts has led to an advancement in Ork Tek, with the "Squishy Shootas" and other crude biological technology made from mutated squigs
>The Kroot are vastly more widespread due to the increased willingness for post-Imperium states to work with Xenos out of necessity, with some having staged coups and become dictators and warlords over human civilizations. A cold war has formed between the Tau Empire and the alliance of the Farsight Enclaves and the Kroot Hunt (Name for the Kroot Empire) that has hindered their expansion into a far less unified galaxy.
>The Eldar's plan to destroy humanity to defeat Chaos has partially succeeded. Without the existence of the Inquisition or a larger body, the threat of Chaos is more well known and documented and similar to Warhammer Fantasy, due to this basic understanding it can be better defended against. However it still remains a constant threat, albeit a more insidious one.
>There are Imperial Daemons, though it is unknown if a 5th god was born from the Death of Sol. Every so often a large fleet of strange ships emerge from the Eye of Contempt bringing with it a Greater Daemon of Immense Power leading a host of strange angelic creatures ranging from Custodes like entities to biblically accurate angels. These "Golden Crusades" then proceed invade planets, their innate corruption causing an obsession with unity as those effected utterly loose their sense of self. The enthralled then construct esoteric industrial complexes used to construct more ships and demons as they try to build an empire.
Yo flesh this out - I’d play this one a lot more than 40k itself.
someone post the full excerpt of sanguinius vs horus
Have we finally gotten conformation sanguinius killed horus because black rage and he's the one who mortally wounded the emperor?
Horus killed Sanguinius with his bare hands.
Sangy keeps hitting Horus until he's about to execute him. And then Horus pulls an anime move, blocking his swing, and then beats the living shit out of Sangy.
I really loved the part where Horus tore of one of Sangy's wings and clubbed him with it until all the feathers were stripped from it like a chicken wing. I'm guessing that's a callback easter egg from The Devastation of Baal, where they have one of Sangy's feathers in stasis with moist blood on it.
>horus removes his terminator armor.
>"forgive me janus, I must go all-out just this once....."
>"raghhhhhh"
>"n....n..nani? W...what is this killing intent? Is... is it coming from horus?"
"Where did he go? Aghhhhh...."
>horus stabs sangunius through the back.
>"ah.... I see now. You intentionally limited yourself to lure me in before making a true and just strike. Truly you carry the soul of a warrior to endure such pain to carry out your objective."
>cherry blossoms float down from off screen.
>"ahhhh. I'm glad I could witness them one last time."
>sangunius cradles a cherry blossom in his hand.
>"human life is much like a cherry blossom. Beautiful but finite."
>sangunius collapses. Dead.
>hours cries.
Top ten anime battl of all time.
>Sanguinius lashes out with his left hand, gouging desperate fingers at his brother’s cheek and eyes. Horus barks in rage, and drops his prey. Sanguinius falls onto his knees, jarring every wound, then topples onto his side. He tries to rise, trembling, weak. He wants to be on his feet when it happens. He wants to be standing when–
>Worldbreaker catches him before he is even back on his knees. The clubbing blow breaks his left shoulder, ribs and left femur. He collapses, trying not to scream from the pain, and failing. Horus starts to bludgeon him, beating him repeatedly like a disobedient dog. There is no art in this any more. No martial skill. No patience. Worldbreaker shreds armour and flesh. It pulverises both collarbones. It ruptures a lung. A fine drizzle of blood fumes the air around the two figures, the brutal, beating giant and his prey. The sixth hammering impact twists Sanguinius’ head around, shattering his jaw, and transmitting such force that the skin on the left half of his face, from brow to chin, is flayed loose. It flutters, then drapes back like a slack mask.
>As he falls forward, the Talon vices him again. It lifts the ruined, tattered Angel into the air, until he is face to face with the first-found instrument of Chaos.
>Horus squeezes slowly. He is expecting some last word, some immortal and heroic declaration to mark the end of a majestic, noble life. It ought to be something good, something appropriate.
>But Sanguinius is no longer capable of speech. He is drowning in his own blood.
>The claws close. There is a double crack of spine and neck.
>Horus waits. Blood drips. It’s done.
>The Talon opens with a mechanical clack. His brother’s corpse, so loose and mangled it seems almost boneless, drops to the deck. An ugly sound of impact to mark an ugly ending.
>Horus sighs and walks away. Things scurry forward from the shadows to nail the body up.
RIP BOZO.
WHOOOOOORES
WHY WHORES WHY
>He wants to be on his feet when it happens.
This made me feel
>you are lucky my neck is immensely powerf-ack!
>trying not to scream from the pain
Guys just can't write demigods. The pain tolerance of these dudes should be way beyond this stuff. Every 40k novel fight scene just turns into
>godlius felt his penis shatter. he whimpered and moaned and pissed a little
When basic space marine fluff will be all
>sergeant killus felt all his skin felt off. He grumbled at the inconvenience
A primarch should be extremely pained by getting their shoulder, ribs, and leg broken in a single blow (while already worn down and mortally wounded elsewhere).
No, he is absolutely right. Space marines are both made and conditioned to basically feel no pain, or at least no consequence from it (shock, disorientation etc.) and primarchs should be that much more resistant to it.
Nah thats complete nonsense. Not only would a space marine be dead by the wounds Sanguinius takes (even before Horus hits him) but they would certainly cry out in pain from something that crushed in half of their body.
People seem to forget that its not just the worldbreaker hit, thats just the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Sanguinius took psychic lance from eldar titan to his chest once, Guilliman was walking in hard vaccum of space without helmet when he was vented from his ship bridge for 6 or it was 12 hours, Lorgar tanked plasma from warhound titan on his face, Curze got relic power sword stuck in his spine, he just walked it off, damage that would vaporise marine is just flesh wound for them, Primachs are just built diferent.
None of those wounds are as bad as having your shoulder, leg, and all ribs broken in a single attack. Like, half of Sanguinius' body was pulped.
I would argue plasma bolt that can melt tank and vaporise nearby infantry taken to the face would be more painfull, burns are very painfull.
>ESL is overly fixated on powerlevel bullshit
No because for something to pulp a primarchs body like that it would have to hit far harder.
The strike that crippled Sanguinius would have pulverised and flung a tank through the air like a professionally driven golf ball.
Well, that depends on how serious the burns are. Fourth degree burns are painless, because they go so deep the nerve endings responsible for pain response are just gone.
Yes they are you absolute fucking cretin, stop posting
No they are not you fucking brainlet. Take plasma for example:
>A bright flash of plasma burst from the trees and hit Karraidin square in the abdomen. The superheated liquid plasma ate through his abdominal plate and pushed Karraidin backwards, his armoured boots digging into the rock beneath him. But Karraidin did not fall—with awesome strength he held his ground, and when the flare of the plasma blast died down there was a great crater melted in the armour covering his stomach. Amid the metallic stink of vaporised metal, Sarpedon could smell cooked flesh.
vs
>Ferrus dropped his guard and hammered his fist into Fulgrim’s face, the force of the blow enough to crush the helmet of Tactical Dreadnought armour, but barely enough to bruise the flesh of a primarch.
A slap from a primarch would do more damage to a terminator than a plasma shot. Horus is easily hitting harder and doing more damage than a point blank tank round would. But oooh Guilliman didn't have his helmet on in space! Wowzers!
Retard
HH secondaries should just commit die T B H
So, let me get this straight. The EMPEROR, made a bargain where he would gain the Knowledge of making the Primarchs, but in turn become a 5th Chaos God?
Christ, its Fucking 50 and 60K all fucking over again.
Why for the love of God, will people keep trying to bring in fucking CHAOS ORDER?! That shit went and died in the 90's in fantasy, and even when it did live, it was only because Chaos was a catch all term back then, hence their being a Chaos God of Atheism, despite the contradiction of what that implies, so STOP FUCKING TRYING TO BRING IT BACK!!!
>hence their being a Chaos God of Atheism, despite the contradiction of what that implies
The contradiction is literally the entire point of Malal though
No, He's the God of fucking Chaos. The god that hates everyone and everything, including himself. The god Im talking about, is fucking Necoho, who was written as a stand in for him, when Malal got into hot water in a legal fight Between GW and another group. Heres his page: https://1dGanker.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods#Necoho
>The contradiction is literally the entire point of Malal though
Correct, that's why Malal is fucking retarded and not canon. Belakor is a better implementation of 'Chaos Fucking Over Chaos' anyway.
Malal was a shit concept from inception.
Wait a fucking second, that means that now in 40k, EMP. is literally and completely confirmed to be a God. Alright, rolling back what makes Ol tell EMP to not become a God then? And please, dont let it be as fucking cringe as that God awful shit from Babylon, please!
>Wait a fucking second, that means that now in 40k, EMP. is literally and completely confirmed to be a God.
No. He had the opportunity to become one but did not go through with it.
> what makes Ol tell EMP to not become a God then?
Because doing so would mean the destruction of the physical universe and the complete triumph of Chaos.
That's nonsense. The gods don't want total destruction.
They do.
Gods don't really have personalities, Khorne just want bloodsheed, Slaanesh excess, Nurgle corruption and Tzeentch change, if it destroys world well too bad not that they care 99% of their attention is in materium focusing on Great Game and beside 40k universe they have diferent universes like AoS to draw power from at the same time. Don;t treat chaos gods as persons with goals and personalities, think of them as idea, emotion given sentence.
Nurgle's whole parental personal IS a personality. Khorne getting mad at Scarbrand for being dishonourable IS a personality.
>Khorne getting mad at Scarbrand for being dishonourable
Khorne wasn't mad at Skarbrand being dishonourable, Khorne don;t care about honour, he got mad that something dared to attack him.
Khorne was never about honour, he cares only that blood flows.
The important part of Skarbrand's backstory was that Skar tried to backstab Khorne instead of challanging him face to face. If Skar just wanted a death match Khorne woulnd't mind
No it's not, Khorne was angry that he was attacked, not because muh honour, neither 40k codexes or whf armybooks mention anything about honour, Khorne just got mad because he was attacked.
Also Khorne never cared about honour, only about bloodsheed, even in realm of chaos from 1989, his biggest mortal choosen having nickname Betrayer should be dead giveaway.
Of course feel free to prove me wrong and give some source.
The entire basis behind the reason Khornates hate Tzeentchians has always been because they're 'seen as sorcerers unwilling to engage in fair and honourable combat.'
If Khorne only cared about bloodshed, then he'd be perfectly fine with sorcerers crushing everything with TK.
But Khorne don't care about honour, he is okay with smashing defenceless with axe, shooting someone or stabbing ally in the back he just hate sorcery.
He doesn't hate tzeentch because of magic, he hates all other gods as his rivals but Slaanesh most of them.
>god of fighting got mad he got to fight someone
Gankerner IQ on display I see
Imagine being Khorne at the moment, you watch some daemons or world eaters murdering children ripping their heads with bare handes, quite chill moment and then some jealous bitch rent your armor at ankle.
Also there wasn't evena a fight more like children abuse and throwing failed daemon out of window.
>god of being mad gets mad when his little guy gets mad and tries to start a fight with the mad god of fighting
uhh yeah dude
The Chaos Gods want to destroy worlds and universes and keep the remains on their hyperdimensional trophy rooms. Only Slaanesh in the End Times wants to preserve worlds because they are more fun that way.
AoS does establishes them as characters with personalities. We can even read their inner monologues in Malign Portents. It even sorta explains Tzeentch's self-sabotaging plans in a way.
Gods are greedy bryond reason and will cause total destruction in their blind pursuit of whatever ensbles them. They don't realy step back and think of a sustainable way to farm mortals
Aren't god manifestation of sentient self-destructive passion/excces? It is in their themes to be self-destructing.
>That's nonsense. The gods don't want total destruction.
But that's where you're wrong, dummy.
The Chaos gods are actively trying to destroy everything, which would lead to them disappearing as well. They are embodiments of entropy. They can't not want to destroy everything.
>the destruction of the physical universe
Daily reminder that Chaos Gods are galaxy wide phenomenon.
Universe wide. The text of the first book says that daemons weren't just coming from the Warp to Terra. They were coming from other realities and universes.
Yes - others within the warp. The warp contains a bunch of sub-layers. But Chaos as whole is anchored to the mortals of the milky way because it's a twisted reflection of them. Daemons got blindsided by nids for ex.
Nope. Other realities and universes. You headcanon does not apply.
For example this
> Daemons got blindsided by nids for ex.
Is retarded headcanon not present anywhere.
In DoB, the Hivemind notes that the Milky Way is strange because its a place where the Warp and the Material intermingled showing that the Tyranids encountered the Warp before.
Moreover, the Necrons have anti-Warp weapons that originated from alien races from other galaxies.
>Moreover, the Necrons have anti-Warp weapons that originated from alien races from other galaxies.
Sauce on that?
Mephiston: Revenant Crusade.
He didn't perma-injure Nurgle. It's just speculation by the daemons. Daemons do not know the minds of their gods. Nurgle ignored everything that happened in Ultramar because he didn't care for it from the start. He was more concerned with the Rift Wars.
>Daemons do not know the minds of their gods
Unlike the other 3, the daemons of Nurgle are his mini avatars, in that sense they would have greater insight into those matters.
I love how this thread is a game of telephone where no one will actually post what happens just summaries while people basedrage about it
>Big E overdose on warp juice
>Become a dark sphere that will become the dark king (5 chaos god)
>Ollanius and Loken meet him
>Ollanius tell him to stop
>Big E say he is right and remove his compasion/ humanity to become GRIM SALVATION.
It mostly lack any good build up that would make it a great scene.
just go on /r/40klore/ and read some barely-literate zoomer's summary of it. that's basically the same as reading the limited edition epub.
Posted by somebody incapable of understanding why Ollanius Pius is so awesome. Were you born stupid or is it more of a lifestyle choice?
I can't believe they managed to make the revisions of the whole guardsman sacrificing himself and making the Emperor decide to yeet Horus worse and worse each time. Now it's an immortal homo sapien 2.0 showing up and telling crystal-prison Emperor "being a demon is bad".
>it turns out he wasn't really Catheric anyway, he just 'found the ritual comforting' after his wife introduced him to it, and he's actually happy that the Emperor secularized humanity
That's really fucking lame.
You're all missing the point. The point isn't WOW GUYS EMPRAH GOT RLY STRONG BUT THEN GAVE IT ALL UP BECAUSE HIS FREIND SAID IT BAD.
It's The Emperor (the man) being confronted with the very literal event horizon between his overbearing godlike ego and his ideals. He chooses to avert his ascension and accept inevitable death at Horus's hands for the sake of his morals and beliefs rather than betraying them one final time to achieve ultimate victory. It's the cognitive dissonance of "big golden armor man with near omnipotence and a giant flaming sword that adopts copious amounts of religious imagery and terminology insists that he isn't a god" reaching a climax and resolution before everything goes to absolute shit. It's not even complicated or subtle, they practically beat you over the head with it (which is pretty lame, but I don't expect much else out of Dan at this point).
Wouldn't losing for the sake of personal morals be immoral if the prosperity of all of humanity is a near and attainable goal?
Not when the power necessary to cast down Horus will also tear reality to shreds.
Sanguinius might have been faster than the speed of light... but Horus was faster than the speed of darkness.
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>gain near godlike insight, knowledge and intellect
>take a moment to pause vapourising chaos to reflect on the long term consequences of that much power
>ehhh probably not good
>disapates collected warp energy
I think its good, it shows the Emperor being obsessed with achieving his goals in the quickest way possible, which was always Ollanius' problem with his methods, and him being the consistant voice of truth the Emperor would listen to. Emps then accepts the 10,000 years of suffering he no doubt saw when he was almost the dark king as an outcome of giving up his power.
Its actual character growth.
And after ten thousand years he's a god anyway that all the chaos gods are shitting bricks over.
anyone got the second book?
http://mega.nz/folder/mupySRzR#LP8Tl8e5qR3Dvt2pjrZBFQ
no pdf anon?
Do you know which part is the Sanguinius vs Horus fight?
>Ollanius finally abjures the Emperor
>doesn’t use his crucifix to do it
The true red herring of the entire Horus Heresy. Otherwise I thought the whole Dark King arc went about as well as it was going to, and there’s still plenty of room for cope interpretation.
Was it ever explain why the guy who's been alive since Sumerian times, believes in a israeli deity?
They left it vague until this one. His last wife was Catheric and he went along for the pussy. I was disappointed at first, since I hoped he would turn out to be Saint Longinus and have some line about "this isn't the first time I've killed a god", but I suppose the understated reason makes more sense for Oll than a grandiose personal connection to the divine.
There's a line where E is on the verge of the Godhead and says basically "I have become aware of structures beyond structures deeper than I was previously aware of and influences I didn't know existed" and somehow neither of them says "well maybe that's just God huh". Dan is walking a fine line.
I think Abnett was trying to write it as 'dude uses abandoning religion as a metaphor for abandoning his trust in Emps + cajoling Emps to tone down his own self-confidence' but it failed miserably. 30k writing struggles to live up to the depth of 40k because deleting the mystery has been done by borderline redditors instead of a writeup by Gene Wolfe.
>this isn't the first time I've killed a god
I cannot imagine anything more cringe than this line. I'm so glad this didn't happen.
why the fuck is oll even a character in the first place?
he should just been left as a background fluff mythical hero of legend. This is my biggest gripe with horus heresy and particularly with dan abnett's fanfic tier storylines, it takes away from any mystery or creativity the player can harness for their armies and own stories, and instead canonizes everything because secondaries want a plot instead of a setting.
the siege of terra books have been so god awful because there's been 50 different writers with their own interpretations and OC donut steel character arcs that they have to constantly flip back and forth and insert these fags into the basic plot of "horus fights emperor" for "character arc closure" or some shit. We needed none of this, give us some actual worldbuilding campaign books or random one-off adventure stories not tied to major overarching plotlines instead of this garbage
>he should just been left as a background fluff mythical hero of legend
This but for the entire Horus Heresy.
>implying they'll ever stop making shit up just to sell more books
Sure hope you guys are ready for the pre-prequel with 2nd and 19th
How did not one of the 100 posters or OP post the excerpt this thread is whining about
I’m somewhat asshurt that when the Emperor restored Oll and all his equipment, he didn’t also restore the cross. I guess we might find out in Volume 3, along with whatever happens to the knife. I’m a lot more invested in the ollanius plot than I thought I’d be.
>What have I done...
The Dan Abnett and his consequences have been a disaster for the Horus Heresy.