Age of Sigmar is so fucked
Age of Sigmar is so fucked
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Those sculpts look really frgiggin sick. What did bretonnia had that was different than the empire other than loads of good cavalry and no guns, btw?
Technically they were supposed to have knights on dragons, stags and magic knights who shot water magic, robin hood super archers, elves, as well as merchant mercenaries supplementing them unchivalrously with gun units in times of need and shit but for some reason they hamstrung bretonnia with a 10 year old codex which was just monty python jokes.
Knights on dragons?
not him but in their first book heroes could ride dragons, griffons, hyppogriffs, pegasus and for whatever reason wyverns and manticores. this is a bit of a moot point though as outside of dwarfs and lizardmen, pretty much every faction's heroes could ride these things.
>loads of good cavalry
iirc they were not just good cavalry, the bretonians worshiped the lady of the lake and she gave them power in return. It was kinda implied that it was something along the lines of how chaos worshiper gain power, just more nobel looking
The knights were not just some dude on a horse, they were jacked up with blessings and suppossed to be almost hero level by lore standards
These look like basic bitch .stls
This.
If you told me they were new heroforge parts then I would 100% believe you.
In fact I'm still not entirely sure they aren't.
>I hate all this nu-aos shit, what happened to classic fantasy
>classic fantasy knights? this is so generic!
It's not that the overall design that's the problem, it's that they look like cheap, low-poly renders you'd find on etsy. Maybe they look better once put to plastic, but those look real rough as is.
I was going to make a joke about how they look like lego helmets, but I think this lego helmet has more detail than those.
they always look like lego as 3d renders. It was the same with sisters of battle.
Yeah I'm reserving judgement until I see some actual plastic, but that also means I'm not going to soi and poggers out until I see some fucking plastic.
This. Looks too chunky. Former warmachine designers made these.
The primary issue with showing renders like this is that they fail to sell the impression of actual in-hand scale, so they look under-detailed. Ironically a lot of 3D print mini designers go far too detailed in an attempt to make good renders, and the resulting minis are a pain in the ass to paint.
>Ironically a lot of 3D print mini designers go far too detailed in an attempt to make good renders, and the resulting minis are a pain in the ass to paint.
Yeah, I know I've looked at WGA minis before to vary up my 40K army but they all look way too overdesigned and cluttered.
This. They'll be blown out of the water by any semi competent artist you can find on stl shops
pic not related?
All depends on how much of a white knight you're willing to be in defense of gw
>that shield rim
DAMN HE THICC
Comically thick shields always ruin what are otherwise good sculpts and 3D-printed models are absolutely plagued with them for some reason.
My only guess is that the artists is trying to make parts less fragile.
Printer resin is much more frail than plastic and small bits are absolute pain in the ass to glue back
This is it. There are a lot of 3D print sculptors that don't quite understand the level of thickness you have to hit, and what is too far. That guy is erring on the side of too far.
I would add to this: 3D renders have an odd visual effect that tricks the eye a bit. If you print many of those models, you'll find they're a lot, lot thinner than the render would suggest.
You see this on renders generally, it's probably why GW doesn't do them. I'd guess that 99% of GW stuff would look just as blocky.
>it's probably why GW doesn't do them
???? Did you look at the thread you're posting in?
For their standard promotional images, I mean. This Old World stuff is probably still like three years out, it's a teaser of a teaser. And you can actually see what I mean on them: they look blocky and overly thick.
Every part of that proontard turd is either as thick as baby's first greenstuff job or so thin and underdefined that it will disappear on a physical model. They will never make real sculpts.
For Oldhammer stuff go Monstrous Encounters. This guy is literally doing what GW is gonna do but better.
>fugly overdesigned shitmar garbage
>renders instead of models
Into the great bin of proontard failures it goes.
Please be dumbfuck somewhere else
overdesigned trash, no room for expression or freehand (the main appeal of painting bretonnian models)
Well if that's what you're after, just buy from fireforge.
Honestly Brets are probably in the best position in terms of models. Anyone who thinks that you need to buy GW to play in the old world is a paypig gay.
>fireforge
Unfortunately the opposite problem, not detailed enough in the right ways. Lacking the fantastical elements of bretonnians, too grounded.
The old bretonnia line struck a careful balance between historical and fantasy that no other model line currently available matches up to without significant modification.
absolutely this, especially the Tomb King stuff I actually couldn't believe how close it looked to tonka toy STLs.
They're 3-d renders anon, they're going to be rendered in the same way everything else is rendered
I agree. That's probably why it will devastate AoS. AoS manages to look worse than 1 guy sculpting in cad for his first time.
Wow, they look just as good as the 6th ed knights of the realms from 20 years ago. Really pulling out all stops on this passion project!
Marketing Return to the Olde World must be tricky. They have to make it appealing to an audience of oldfags who have no reason to buy the same army again (which is partially why WHFB got canned in the first place) and/or make it appealing to new customers via nostalgia for a thing they never played to such an extent they'll pay 2020s GW prices for entire fantasy battle armies of 32mm rank&flank, or try and grab the Total War Gankerermin who having the attention span of a gnat and little interest in paying, assembling and painting.
Not sure what the plan is here.
Does seem to involve the prerequisite 3-5 threads with the same topic and picture though.
>Does seem to involve the prerequisite 3-5 threads with the same topic and picture though.
I often wonder if the negative OPs about the latest warhammer ad are stupid anons who want easy attention, or marketers flooding the catalog and trying to hide it by making weak criticism in the OP. It seems too consistent to be organic.
Right? I can't tell if its shilling or autism. Tends to happen with GW stuff quite a bit. Yesterday was the tyranid eye, three threads of it. At least one responding to its own OP without increasing the number of posters.
>yesterday was the tyranid eye
Yep. It's always 3-5 new threads for every warhammer community post on top of immediately being featured as the OP of the general
its not shilling its like anti GW acceralationists who post stuff as a way to "own" GW but it ends up just being shilling for (yous)
Age of Sigmar might be the best fantasy setting ever written, the characters have been expanded on from the old world and have deep meaningful interactions and motivations, chaos is a fleshed out faction that doesn't just exist to do bad things, same with death and destruction. The multitude of infinite realms allow for infinite possibilites where your dudes really can be your dudes. Places like Anvilguard are so fleshed out as to conjure visions of what it would be like to live there upin reading the smallest amount about them. The artwork is fantastic and the maps are detailed.
Unfortunately it is mired by the screeching of Grogs who never bought models for Whfb and secondaries who play total war, which is ironic since the game itself is basically the best GW game ever made, perhaps even top 3 tabletop wargames ever.
Hopefully when the old world fails (again) we can all just give up on that dead setting (Gav Thorpe knew it was shit and rightfully pushed to have it destroyed. Only a real genius like him could have predicted the sucess of AoS).
I have no horse in the AoS vs WHFB thing.
This does bring in the question of AoS players, who might be entirely new. Is GW trying to get them to also buy the olde world stuff? You seem like an AoS fan who isn't likely to buy any of this project.
It just doesn't seem like a good business move. Might be being too rational about it though.
I'm not new to fantasy but am new to tabletop when I bought into AoS third.
I have no incentive to go into ToW. I'd rather play more AoS with little time I have, and I enjoy AoS in it's current state. The best incentive for me to buy into Fantasy is if everything converts over (provided the army existed in fantasy, and my favorite one doesn't), is cheap, and the game length is less than an hour hour. 2/3 I'm really doubting, and I'm not seeing any reason to replace my AoS time with Fantasy time.
I hope it gets enough support and has a good community tho.
That makes sense and seems like it would be the common enough reaction.
I don't mainline any GW game, haven't for ages. I get some models and bits that I really like to use for other games, so there might be something out of ToW but its not a thing I'll be supporting much.
The guy you're talking to doesn't even really play anything, most likely.
The truth is, the overall success of these lines has less to do with specific lore, but rather how they are marketed and pushed. GW knows there is and always will be a huge buyer base for their more classic designs - this is why they've been gradually trying to make AoS more like Fantasy over he years. The question is whether they push it in a sane way.
Maybe. I got into fantasy via tw/vermintide and AoS from there. Friends who are true secondaries talking shit about AoS aside, I started collecting daughter of khain shit And because of tw I definitely want to nab some dark elf and bretonians things. Maybe not make a proper army for old world but I like the stuff enough now where I'd at least want to own and paint up some models
This. Age of Sigmar is the best, I love world of warcraft.
only a moronbrain could come up with a low-quality troll like this. AoS is the corruption and defacing of beauty and good just like tolkien explained the creation of orcs. Evil can not create, it can only take something, cover it with horseshit and dead branches and call it 'fleshed out upgrade of the original'
holy shit go outside
I can say as a 30k fag that I've always liked the idea of whfb, but looked at the train wreck of AoS and just decided not to bother.
30k is the only reason I've stuck to the setting and miniatures instead of just dropping everything GW related after 8th came out.
If WHFB ends up have compelling rules and nice models I can spent time autistically painting then I'm sold.
Me neither but then there was this guy
so it might work. It feels like one of those
>no one would be dumb enough to... well shit
sort of thing
>try and grab the Total War Gankerermin who having the attention span of a gnat and little interest in paying, assembling and painting
Why do you fucking retards always bring up this weird argument that because people play the vidya, there's absolutely no chance they'll buy and paint minis? It's like you have this weird delusion that people's interest can never cross over into other hobbies. Because I play Total War Warhammer I am, according to your delusionaly thinking, actually LESS LIKELY to buy and paint models based on my favorite characters from there after being exposed to the world. Because people who play vidya definitely don't constantly buy little figures and stuff for their desk EVER, right? You go to any guy who's big on vidya, there's no way you'd EVER see a shelf full of figures and toys and statues all from characters in games they play, right? Their walls and shelves are entirely barren of all such products because after all, why would they ever possibly buy anything like that when they own the vidya, right?
NTA but video game fans might more likely to buy models than the average rando, but that’s still an incredibly low amount. The two hobbies, while being aesthetically similar, are wildly different. Tabletop gaming, for better or for worse, is a very different experience than vidya, and it’s not unreasonable to expect that the majority of people who enjoy warhammer vidya and meme videos and whatnot wouldn’t actually enjoy the tabletop version that much. I don’t expect all call of duty players to join the national guard, even if they might be slightly more likely to.
...do you have a warhammer fb army?
NTA but Fantasy was dead when Vermintide and TWW came out. DoW absolutely got plenty of people to pick up 40K armies back in the day and you know it.
That's a no.
What would make you get an army? Are you likely to because of ToW? Why didn't you get an AoS army?
It would be interesting to see the ratio of DoW sales to increases in miniature sales though, there's likely something to that.
>That's a no.
Yes, because I'm not that anon. I never got into TWW either and only enjoyed VT with friends so I'm hardly a case study.
>What would make you get an army?
Finishing my current backlog
>Are you likely to because of ToW?
Honestly no, mostly because I don't see myself playing it. At most I'd pick up some bretts for a painting project but I can probably find just as ornate knights elsewhere for cheaper
>Why didn't you get an AoS army?
See above: I am not your case study no matter how hard you're trying to force me to be.
>there's likely something to that.
And my point was the situations are hardly comparable, given people getting introduced to WHF were getting introduced to a dead world. There's actually a funny little parallel in the anime industry: a mobile game called Kemono Friends came out and was going to have a tie-in anime, but the game was shuttered before the anime got produced so Kadokawa gave the anime a shoestring budget and zero corporate oversight. This allowed the director to do whatever he wanted with the anime and he ended up producing something with so much love and heart in it that it developed a cult following of people looking to snap up any Kemono Friends merch they could find. Of course, Kadokawa fucked that up by firing the guy responsible for spinning straw into gold as they tried to gain more corporate control over Kemono Friends projects going forward and instantly murdered all goodwill he had developed for them, but it was a very similar a corporation caught with their pants down at someone making what corporate had written off as a defunct franchise super popular.
Hell, even despite all the drama surrounding the fallout of the first season there's STILL Kemono Friends content and merch being developed. Sometimes shit just resonates with people.
Impressive, given how mediocre to outright bad that game is. It did make me want to buy some ogryn, I'll admit
>actual are a case study
but that's okay, thanks for answering. I still don't understand what the marketing plan for ToW is but it seems like audience crossover from the video games might be more effective than I had given credit to and makes sense retrospectively.
A case study for 40K vidya sure. Which has parallels to the WHF but is hardly equivalent. If they had made a videogame about old squats and then released Votann you might have some better comparisons to make between the two franchises.
>makes sense retrospectively.
My guess is they're also using it as a place to shove factions they had no intention of introducing to AoS but still want to make money off of, like Tomb Kings and Bretts. Maybe some light crossover rules so you can carry your TOW minis forward into building out an AoS army since I also think GW might be trying to pull off another Horus Heresy "prequel" game that has juuuust enough shared models with an AoS faction that you have the start of an army but still need to pad it out with AoS exclusive stuff and lose access to some of your TOW stuff.
I just mean I'm somewhat impressed people played Darktide and wanted to get into 40K, but not that surprised since what the game lacks in features or respect for the player it makes up for in atmosphere.
How they end up mixing in ToW with AoS or not will be interesting to watch. It seems like they could easily accidentally split their market but also accidentally lose the grogs if it is AoS compatible. Might be onto something by trying to sell the same models to two audiences with different rules, or even the hat trick of someone who buys both rulesets.
>they could easily accidentally split their market but also accidentally lose the grogs if it is AoS compatible
Eh, if it's one-way compatible then grogs probably won't care. Some might even smug about being able to use their BASED TRVE WARHAMMER armies to dab on AoS. HH is again a good example of this, especially admech. 30K Admech gets access to a whole bunch of toys 40K Admech doesn't get and simultaneously 30K is locked out of all the "davinci" units 40K Admech gets. They could easily do the same with Bretts where ToW gets more grounded ornate knights while AoS gets I dunno, knights riding six-legged pegasi wielding grails that shoot laserbeams or whatever aesthetic it is AoS goes for.
Not sure if many HH admech players are also 40k admech players. It definitely seems like HH was a 40k refugee camp for a bit, has that merged with the GW HH stuff and 2nd ed recently?
ToW to AoS wise it just seems like a smaller market already so splitting it would be detrimental.
>Not sure if many HH admech players are also 40k admech players.
There's plenty of 40K Admech players wanting access to Legio Cybernetica units. Whether it's because they already have them and want to use them or want an excuse to buy them is a bit of a chicken or egg argument I think.
>ToW to AoS wise it just seems like a smaller market already so splitting it would be detrimental.
I agree. I think ToW in general was a half-cocked scramble to capitalize on TWW's (now fading) success/popularity that they probably took way too long to push out, but we'll see. That said, I think double-dipping is more akin to hedging your bets than splitting your player base. Sort of like how all the new HH space marine tanks have rules in 40K and all the new assassins can likewise be used as Imperial Agents in 40K. It's a way to double-dip rather than splitting fanbases.
>I think ToW in general was a half-cocked scramble to capitalize on TWW's (now fading) success/popularity that they probably took way too long to push out, but we'll see
An other problem is that most of the grogs or the TWW player really motivated to get into the tabletop are either getting proxies or 3D printing minis for a fraction of GW price.
Outside of maybe the starter set that might be fair priced, I don't see why I would get GW overpriced stuff.
I think you're onto something with the doubling up angle. I started out skeptical of the entire thing but with that, Ganker tie ins being a better idea than it seemed on the surface and all the stolkholm syndrome grogs, it might just work.
>30K Admech gets access to a whole bunch of toys 40K Admech doesn't get and simultaneously 30K is locked out of all the "davinci" units 40K Admech gets.
And that's totally retarded and shouldn't be the case.
t. Mechanicum player
Never said it wasn't. In fact I'm not even sure if it's a marketing/balance thing instead of just sheer incompetence. I'm just pointing out that it happens.
They kind of shot themselves in the foot by going TOO far back in the past, though. No chance for any of your favorite vidya memelords to get any models to consoom, though I'm sure there'll be tons of Stormcast/Empire kitbashes to make your own Balthasar Gelt out there.
GW is pretty dumb on vidya tie-ins in general. They could've easily done a Darktide themed Killteam set where you have a team Inquisitorial Convict-Conscripts vs Nurglite Traitor Guards. Even with my poor opinion of Darktide I'd still be sorely tempted by minis borrowing from the game's designs. They really need to plan that shit out better. Or not, for the sake of my wallet.
>Never said it wasn't. In fact I'm not even sure if it's a marketing/balance thing instead of just sheer incompetence.
Seems like a combination of alan bligh dying before fires of cyraxis was finished, which would have given 30k mechanicum units 40k rules, some kind of strange beef between FW and GW proper, and probably some departmental KPI chicanery mixed together. If they just quit it they'd both sell more FW product for 40k use, make 30k more accessible and sell more product overall, but they don't because some gay managers will get butthurt about it.
I am just going by this thread and the /whf/ thread, so grains of salt by the bucketfull, but while there will be all kinds of lore inconsistency and things to whinge about, it doesn't seem like that will be stopping many people from buying the models. I think they're just leaning into
>our fanbase will buy whatever we do
and it sort of seems like it will work.
They can always release the popular characters later as special models and dlc rules later.
>Impressive, given how mediocre to outright bad that game is. It did make me want to buy some ogryn, I'll admit
Might also be that they don't really need people to play the game, they just need people to buy the plastic men.
>only enjoyed VT
lol
>with friends
You suck at reading.
that doesn't make it any less funny lol
What a non-post.
I'm watching Darktide pull various people (back) into 40k right now too.
No, the most I've done for whf is paint a starmaster like Maz, but now that there's an actively supported game coming out for the Old World setting, I'll be picking an army up and finding people to play. It shouldn't be that much trouble since I'm sure there'll be a fair amount of dudes like me who thought Sigmar was too shit a setting to get into and have been waiting for a game like this to come out.
I don't get you gays. There's a 1001 fantasy games out there. Why is sucking off daddy gw so important to you?
Because people don't want to play (insert fantasy setting here) they want to play whfb
whfb is quite literally the *insert generic fantasy setting here* the game
>And here we see a person who knows nothing about Warhammer Fantasy
uh huh, my books from 3rd ed onwards say differently. it's generic as fuck and always has been. it's Tolkien races stripped of any nuance and stuffed in "not europe". don't pretend its never not been that
I'm not sure bragging about owning old books means much given you've apparently never read them.
says the illiterate
So just use WHFB models and say it takes place in WHFB
It is what it is. I enjoy historicals but have yet to find a fantasy games that scratches the high elf shaped itch the same way warhammer fantasy does.
>noooooooooooooo why don't you play songs of elegies: lays of reckoning the ultimate arbitration of princes: one page Y Gododdin 40,000
Don't want to.
What if you just gave them new models and put out a new army or army supplement every few years like with 40k and how they've made Daemons, Knights/Chaos Knights, Harlequins, Admech, Leagues of Votann etc since 2008 plus obviously they fleshed out Dark Elder again and added unique stuff for the space marine flavors.
>choose the two armies they axed
>both of them got barely any updates in fantasy already
gw going for the hattrick this time I see, grogs ready to buy
>grogs ready to buy
Are they? I figure by this point anyone who wants bretonian knights knows about all the various alternatives like Fireforged or the Perry Brothers kits.
you underestimate the brand allegiance. Or at least GW thinks so.
It might work, I'm curious to watch anyway. Managing to hook the same customers who were not buying enough miniatures then got their entire game world deleted, with much more expansive models this time around, would be impressive.
Dude fantasy fanboys are frothing for this stuff they don’t bother with various other games or models they wanna go back to GW
>fantasy fanboys
But I thought that was who killed whfb because they didn't buy things enough. Is the battered housewife syndrome that strong?
I figured they would have moved onto KoW or 9th Age or any of the smaller AWG stuff or historical or just keep using their own models and playing 6th/7th. Those all seem more common here than otherwise. Might be interesting to poll /whfg/ though and see how many are going to buy the new models.
>fantasy fanboys didn't buy models and didn't need them so the setting died!
>fantasy fanboys are FROTHING for this shit bruh 100%!
don't believe redshirt lies
I have no idea really, its just seems like a weird plan on GW's part. I don't get it.
I just skimmed /wfb/ though and it did look like most of the reactions were positive, looking to buy and hoping for their specific flavour of elf or skeleton, so fuck it, they might be dumb enough for it to work.
Nostalgia is a helluva drug, and its proven to be very profitable for GW pretty much everytime they play to it.
You think mantic has any money to pay for a studio painter? They spend it all making statues that totally aren't seething about GW.
there is a very specific genre of poster/cocksucker that will not entertain the idea of buying the perry agincourt to orleans range to play WFB or similar rulesets with but will presumably forget their litany of pointless gripes as soon as they can purchase gw's inevitably flanderised brettonian raelmknights(tm) for warhammer: the old world (tm)
>brand allegiance
What's the other brands that have my particular flavor of autism but don't deliberately inject american politics into it? Oh the british try, but they always flail and fail like the silly little island of gobknobblers they are.
Fireforge is actual shit. Perry Agincourt/WoTR are nice but they have scale inconsistencies between the two ranges and look fucking anemic compared to GW's heroic scale ogre-men.
Also barely any fucking crests.
At this point is there any reason not to just get into kings of war and that world?
Their new designs for twilight elves look good and they have tomb king eqv., dwarfs with slayers.
A boat game and more
Why not jump ship
The problem with KoW is it’s so ridiculously simplistic compared to fantasy that’s not even worth a comparison beyond ‘rank and flank fantasy game’.
That and mantic makes their models look deliberately shit with their painters
Why do they do it bros?
Please hire studio painters im begging you
jesus christ
what were they thinking
you are doing sculptors an active disservice by not giving them an adequate paintjob, i mean even fucking slapchop would produce better results than this
>And whoever you are, why the fuck didn't you just play WHFB anyway?
I was a kid without rich parents, and then a teenager still without rich parents. WHFB had a ridiculous investment cost to begin an army, costing several hundred Canadian dollars, making hundreds of models that all have to be assembled and painted.
From a gameplay perspective, I don't really think I liked the idea of a rank n' flank game, but I was probably dumb. I do remember that the rulebook was a hefty doorstopper that was waay too complex.
From a model perspective, there weren't any big centerpiece or vehicle miniatures to attract me, the style wasn't for me, and I couldn't see the quality of the minis all stacked up in rank n' flank.
Play Warmaster
Minis games smaller than 25mm don't matter. Stop shilling them.
Jesus, they would've been better off just rattlecan zenithal priming it and adding colours in photoshop at that point
Are these people not aware of the big mid tone can of wash that army painter sells? I get beign lazy but even dunking those minis in the can would make them look better...
What the fuck? Any given random army I see in the LGS will look better than this
I keep hearing that 6mm is a better scale for rank and flank and that warmaster was actually a really good game. Too bad I care more about painting miniatures, so 28-32mm is the sweet spot for me.
NTAYRT
I dipped into warmaster with chits to see if I liked it enough to get into the models. Its pretty neat, note sure if I like it more than Horde of the Things or Fantastic Battles and will likely just hang onto it as a different tool in the box.
Warmaster stuff is 10mm so not as smol but that being said, there are some insanely skilled 6mm painters and models too.
>End Times still happens, just later on
retarded children genuinely thought it was going to change the events that lead into one of GWs mainline moneymakers?? Even though we've known forever that TOW takes place earlier in the fantasy battle timeline.
Aos is only a money maker because gw hyper supported it and made new shit for it constantly for the first few years of its life. If the return of fantasy was supported similarly and not fucking set in a doomed timeliness (not even thousands of years before, literally all the elf/ immortal characters are still there just younger and dumber) it's set just a couple generations before Karl Franz anyway. Bullshit that doesn't appeal to the total war fans, the vermintide fans, the old fans or the aos fans.
Rank and flank fucking sucks, especially WHFB's rulesets. Can't wait for people to remember that.
Subjective opinion.
The best fantasy wargame on the market is rank & flank. That said, it's an infinitely better ruleset than Warhammer - or anything GW has created - ever was.
what is it?
ASoIaF. Though, Conquest is also a lot better than AoS, despite its silly scale.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that game is just dudes fighting, like any historical. No epic siege engines or monsters or magic?
It's less fantastical, but there's definitely monsters and magic. Free Folk have giants, Targs have dragons and giant lions, Baratheons have dirty blood magic tricks, etc.
It's based on the books. It pretty intentionally avoids any silly shit the show did.
Didn't even look at it because it seemed linked to the Game of Thrones clusterfuck. I'll brows the rules. Thanks anon.
>timeline
You figure that's enough of an issue many people will actively care about to the extent they won't buy new thing? Might be, actual question, but it doesn't seem like any of that prevents playing a game of toy soldiers.
>rulesets
But this is another odd thing. I'm not even sure what the ratio of people who play to people who just collect is, but it seems like it has shifted strongly towards collecting over the last decade with painting and modelling becoming the more forward facing aspect of GWs advertising. There are for sure people who play the games, god help them, but it would be interesting to see the ratios. Might be getting more like rpg books, which are mostly sold as coffee table and collectibles rather than use items.
The timeline has firmly prevented me from being able to engage with it as a real genuine product or wargame. I know if it was simply set in a fantasy battle world where end time was stopped last minute I'd be quite interested.
Huh, neat. Not trying to argue or anything, its just different enough from how I think about stuff.
Is it like a closing off of possibilities that makes it less appealing? Like, its a fantastical battles thing but becomes less imagination based if you know the story has a set ending?
>real genuine product or wargame
Do you have any interest in historicals or is it a similar problem there?
I don't have a problem with historicals, I get the appeal of trying to build a "real" army made up of the things that army really had. The closed story aspect as well as the less potential and potential for growth is another like you predicted.
For example, where does the old world go? One thing that really hurt fantasy was that gw was really slow in adding new units or machines to the game, something they started to do at the end but then they killed the setting. It has zero growth potential and no room to grow.
And character wise it's just kind of lame to me, this can only appeal to a small niche side of an already niche community instead of being much broader.
The old world still ends in the way we know, and there can never be new characters and new designs. No new constructs under the sand, no new war engines of the empire. Anything like that. It feels really bad to me, but that is just me.
Okay, I get what you mean.
I understand in a way. Playing Battletech as a future historical has likely inured me to implausible timeline inserts, new things no one has heard of before but are suddenly there, etc.
I'd expect, if ToW manages to get going, that adding new war engines and characters will happen. Wouldn't bother me as much, although in a smaller game world like warhammer fantasy it does get more difficult to stretch and twist.
>characters are lame/niche thing
That is for sure a thing I'm confused about too, the entire attempt seems like a weird attempt at a customer base I don't understand. But it might just be something really simple like
>stolkholm syndrome fans + new fans who will buy whatever we sell
I know I'm gonna get flak for this, but Age of Sigmar is unironically a decent game. It's got its issues for sure, but it's miles better than 40k could ever hope to be. And TOW if the rumors about them basing it off of 8e WHFB are true.
Yeah, honestly compared to kow, opr or the rampant games it doesn't seem like much better or worse. Sure it could use some improvements, maybe alternating phases like mesbg for example.
>not fucking set in a doomed timeliness
I definitely think there were aspects of WHFB that were fundamentally, "wrong." The world was ALWAYS doomed, The End Times were always going to happen, (albeit some kind of different End Times story) it was constantly promised to the audience across countless rulebooks and novels. Nothing got better, everything got worse. Every victory was a temporary reprieve, every loss a permanent reduction. This seeped into every story and narrative.
And I just don't think that's appealing. The world was just too grimdark, miserable, doomed and not really worth saving. The End Times can almost be seen as a positive thing, like a dying animal finally being put out of its misery. I'm not joking, I really somewhat feel like that.
Notice how Total War: Warhammer is super-popular and does not have that overall doomed tone and message to the setting. True victories are incredibly difficult, a constant uphill battle, but it is possible. You can cancel the apocalypse.
This touches on another fundamental issue of WHFB with such a, "limited," defined and mapped out setting. Any battle or war that destroys something is permanent, that city or province is permanently reduced. A big important city for the Empire can't be invented out of nowhere for some campaign, and any named city can't really be permanently destroyed because that invalidates player armies and changes the setting too much. There's only like a dozen big cities in the Empire, GW and players can't really threaten to destroy it and be believed.
Eh, this is a little misleading. Prior to the End Times a chaos victory was not considered a given in WHFB like it is in 40K. In fact, remember, the ending to End Times feels rushed because it was - originally, the idea wasn't to end the world, but to heavily damage it, shake up the status quo, and keep going.
The entire reason AoS' launch was so botched is that it was an incredibly last minute pivot from what was originally intended there.
The idea a real map that isn't infinite causes meaningful problems is a bit of a spook post too. Literally no game has ever had an issue with this. People make up their own narratives no matter what.
>Prior to the End Times a chaos victory was not considered a given in WHFB
It absolutely was. You want me to dig out the sources again?
Anon, the fact that End Times wasn't even originally intended as the actual end proves you wrong by itself. Any "and there will be naught but the cruel laughter of etc etc etc" quotes are as present in AoS as they were in Fantasy.
You don't even have to touch any Chaos books to run across the fact that the world is fucked. It's plain as day in the Lizardmen books and the High Elf books go into detail about how their measures to keep winds of magic at bay are slowly crumbling.
It's 40k where the end was everyone's guess. WHFB was always fucked outside of Nagash killing everyone and declaring himself president of the Deathnostate for life, and I'd hardly call that "non-fucked".
just cut your dick off already
Okay, you asked for it.
>1e retconned stupidity
zzz I sleep
This is more recent.
>None of those anons but I always took that as a call to tragic heroism against the dying of the light rather than skipping right to the end.
That's great, however it's not the point. The world was doomed long before the end times.
>Even further into that, that's a quote from StD iirc
No, it's from warhammer fantasy roleplay, and not presented as being said by a daemon at all.
>chaosfag lore
>amfags never realized that army books are always written to show their side winning or perspective, that's why chaosfags linking their dogshit lore is always retarded because it's supposed to be written by lying demons and crazy people
>confirming you're a stupid retard who only reads chaos books
zzz I sleep
>army books are always written to show their side winning or perspective
They're really not though.
>confirmed never having read any material outside chaosgayry
yep it's retarded
That's from the core book, dipshit
not in any edition I played so it's obviously written for dick sucking gays like yourself
You're having a hard time proving to me that you can actually read, so it doesn't surprise me you've never seen it
Here's a passage from the High Elf book. You're simply wrong.
Are you such a gay that you equate "fighting a desperate and ever increasingly fatal battle" to "the world will end in exactly 4 days and 3 hours. Now continue on with your life"
I'm not sure what you think my position is exactly.
>that's not the point
Fortunately, that's not for you to decide. Its clearly part of the thematics and inspiration from Elric and the countless historical references and focus on making your own game world narratives.
>whfrpg bit
Oh neat, I never did that part at all. You came in from the rpg side? Still can't tell if anyone here actually played any of the games.
Like this guy. I'm not sure what's going on here.
>be mad about warhammer
>be in warhammer thread
>Fortunately, that's not for you to decide
The point of the discussion, midwit.
What the inevitable end of WHFB was, was mostly irrelevant to anyone playing it. This is merely about a few legitimate secondary being arseblasted that WHFB was fucked from the start while also being too stupid to understand that it didn't fucking matter.
"The world is 'probably' going to end one day but the forces of good stand at the edge pushing back trying to stop the end"
Vs
"The world will end in 150 years for real, its unstoppable. You have 0% chance to stop it"
nta
The 150 years part does seem like an oddly short time span in a setting that has thousand year old elves and such.
It's so off putting to me. Is there any wfb elves with names who weren't alive in this new setting?
Other resume the setting or go back so far it's all fresh you know
You can't go back too far, or some factions change too much.
If they did various starter sets with 2 armies set in different periods of time it could be cool. The rules would be compatible so people who aren't as concerned can have the tomb kings fight the elves that didn't exist yet, and the more versimilitudinaly inclined can have various fantastical historical campaigns to play. Don't think they'll do that, but seems like it would work.
Bold of you to assume that they'll release more elves anytime soon after half the Elf AoS factions supposedly sold like shit.
>shark elves!
>cow elves!
>what do you mean people think this is dogshit???
lmao
>cow elves
what
look them up bro
based anon living rent free in this trannies head
what
>having that pic saved
>posting it in a warhammer thread to show you're totally not seething
yep that's a chud
Good eye anon.
don't be to surprised
I can smell the festering axe wound through the internet
that's how bad it is
Pretty sure lumineth and daughters of khaine are both really well selling lines. Its really only idoneth that have a smaller niche fanbase.
only ones that sold "well" are the twig bitches but most AoS factions don't move for shit
No im pretty sure Loomies sell too.
the grog fears the BVLL
they don't, that's why they only got one set of releases and were immediately forgotten and don't have a warcry squad or nothing
>that's why they only got one set of releases
They had provably the fastest 2nd wave in history. They droped them in Autumn and next Spring already doubled their roaster
was that the kangaroos no one bought because they weren't OP enough?
poggers man simply epic
Anon they literally had an extremely quick 2nd wave compared to anything ive ever seen from GW.
had to shit them out while they were fotm to milk the paypigs and then they fell off because they weren't
amazin'
Anon they've consistently been one of the top meta armies, which is cringe-WAAC fag shit for sure but you know that means people are going to buy them because of the modern wargamer is like that.
They didn't fall off, GW just had to take the pedal off the gas because they literally got 3 battletomes over 2 editions of the game and it was horrible fucking dick-sucking.
>they fell off so gw could push new product
>but they didn't fall off!
>battletomes =/= models
amazin'
anon i think you are retarded but thats ok, you just dont like that loomies are more popular than your based mudcore holy grail knights 🙁
the only people that play gw games are retards
>battletomes
peak pig milking, it's amazing you guys get cucked by new books constantly
>they fell off because they weren't fotm
>NNOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
nah bro same shit, I'm saying that they aren't popular
you're saying they sold well only because of favourable rules
thanks for confirming my position
sounds boring
global campaign-kun....its time to rest...
>seething so bad he brings his asspain to new threads
lmao jesus christ
i know its not healthy, he needs to forget about the everchosen.
>we're talking about you
yep that's called rent free living right there lmao
swing and a miss chuck
the end times (storm of chaos 2) was 7 years ago global-kun, you have to wake up.
nta but $50 for a book every 3-4 years (for most armies) isn't a ton. The initial buy in cost for the models is the real pain point. GHB every 6 months is annoying too but easy enough to just print shit off wahapedia or use a friend's book.
I hate the book model moreso because of how much you can get fucked if your book shows up too late in an edition or too soon. If they were all updated initially in one wave when the new edition launched it would be 100x better.
I know the quality is hit or miss anyway but if every tome was updated at once it would be a shitshow.
>paying for deviantart tier maps and rule updates
never sat right especially with editions coming out more quickly
long ago you used to just print out rule updates and you could glue them into your book lol like the old dark elf update in fantasy or the WD deldar update
now you have to buy a whole new book every time
It's mostly the same stuff in the book though, all that changes are stats and the art and writing get worse.
People definitely bought a lot of Lumineth for a while dude, and battletomes are still money. That said, as others have mentioned, their popularity has waxed and waned with precisely how broken they are, and whether people actually like the look of them or not is fairly debatable.
If you want to know what armies are popular, you look at the ones that people buy and play no matter how good or bad their rules are. Slaves to Darkness for example seem to be extremely consistent.
DoK are consistent high sellers. Lumineth were high sellers while they were indisputably top tier and could just steamroll over people with magic cheese.
As much as I like the game, I'm not going to dispute that people seem to much prefer the older aesthetics.
Lumineth are one of the most popular armies in the game. Only reason they aren't spamed more is because people started getting mad over 3 army books in 2 years
>baseless claim
>no shred of proof
shark elves are actually the most popular faction in the game because people make threads about how dumb they are which can only mean they're selling well!
I bet you have a neck just like that pepe ya fatty
>that it didn't fucking matter
Still not sure where you get that part from. From the internal perspective of the characters in the gameworld, who have no ultimate knowledge of the setting, their actions have meaning and their struggles have consequence. You're unable to separate your knowledge as a consumer of the fictional setting from the imaginary world of the inhabitants.
Can't tell if you're the same anon at this point. So you played a game with a game world you thought didn't matter?
>Can't tell if you're the same anon at this point. So you played a game with a game world you thought didn't matter?
We're separate. In my opinion just because something ends doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
Okay, I get it and tend to agree. Thanks for clarification.
>Fortunately, that's not for you to decide.
It is when that's what I've chosen to discuss.
>You came in from the rpg side?
No. Started with a box of skeletons form my cousin. Went from there.
None of those anons but I always took that as a call to tragic heroism against the dying of the light rather than skipping right to the end. ymmv but the smaller personal struggles, violence and heroism in a grim and doomed world are about meaning through action rather than fatalism, or even armies of fatalists fighting their heroic opponents.
Even further into that, that's a quote from StD iirc, which while an interesting and cool book, also is written from the unreliable narrator side of daemonic chaos, thus taking the word of daemons at face value and deciding the world is doomed is really falling for their bit. That's more a narrative fun thing, there are likely a variety of sources with similar but conflicting variations. I get that unreliable narration really gets some people though. Never been a problem with fantastical games of the imagination for me but my autism doesn't seem to manifest that way.
only gay retards and chaosfags thought that
oh wait they're the same thing
>dwarf literally walks into the chaos gate solo and wrecks it's collective anus
zzz I sleep
>only gay retards and chaosfags thought that
Apart from you know, where it's literally written as the games entry text
if you read gay retarded chaosfag lore written by gay retards who's idea of heaven is black trannies that's on you chuck
Careful son, you're starting to drool
You tell me
ABD's idea of heaven is getting pegged by serena williams and he's a complete gay for chaoswank
that's the type of people you worship
real talk
You're frothing at the mouth, you should get that checked out
hey man if you wanna get your asshole fucked by black trannies that's on you and the guys that write chaoswank lore
no judgment here, party on
Are you sure you're not having a stroke?
sadly that really happened lol
you should go look at the guys that write this dogshit
they're pretty sad and pathetic men
well they're british so that goes without saying, but it's tough b
Sounds more like a burger basement dweller to me
cuckmericans export those ideas and issues
but he's a legit weirdo just like most chaoswankers, I'm sure someone has the tweet saved somewhere
>pegging
That's gay.
yea he's a bit of a poof
>gayfag edition
no one cares
>no one cares
>Proven wrong
>N n n nno one cares!!
A gay of the highest order
yea no one cares about gay editions, shocking
and welcome to Ganker enjoy your stay
>Coping this hard
Embarassing, even for this site
>actually mad that someone would have the audacity to fuck you around like a bitch
this isn't retarddit
welcome to Ganker
enjoy your stay
You're still drooling, you know
>projecting
yikes
wipe off your chin chuck
is that you, global campaign-kun?
>everyone on Ganker is the same person
did you clean up your drool already? cause sounds like you got round 2 rolling out chuck
nevermind..it could never be..
>confirmed that you're seething in 2 threads and holding a L so bad you're seeing ghosts
time to take some time offline timmy
I only just got to this thread, but im glad you're rampaging like a homo across the board in unbridled anger, global campaign-anon.
Ganker 😉
Mfw I want to make a hedonites of slaanesh army hahahaha
>Prior to the End Times a chaos victory was not considered a given in WHFB like it is in 40K
You got it twisted. WHFB was doomed as a setting from the moment the gates were broken, the realm of chaos started flooding into the world and the Old Ones decided to wash their hands of this mess. But that was fine, who gives a shit about stuff that happens in a hundred or a thousand years? It's a setting, not a story.
>There's only like a dozen big cities in the Empire, GW and players can't really threaten to destroy it and be believed.
I don't give a shit about what GW does and a group can destroy whatever fucking cities it desires in a campaign. "Advancing the Setting" is entirely newgayry, 20 years ago everyone was rightfully hostile whenever GW tried to do that shit.
>20 years ago everyone was rightfully hostile whenever GW tried to do that shit.
Shouldn't you be yelling at a cloud?
shouldn't you be prepping your bull?
I'm on /tg/, what the fuck do you think I'm doing here?
>A big important city for the Empire can't be invented out of nowhere for some campaign, and any named city can't really be permanently destroyed
Didn't they make an entire game of that with Mordhiem? Seems easy enough to do a
>hilgenhugle was razed by axeeater the III in ABC but rebuilt by Brickbiter the IX in XYZ
There's likely a limit to plausibility of events that's going to vary by reader though. Not even sure how many of the people who play the game do a deep dive on the lore enough to track years and events to the extent they can semi accurately critique production cycles of the fantastical world.
For sure having the End Times as an actual game event players had anything to do with was a bad idea though. I've never had problems with 'knowing' the end of a story or whatever, though it really does seem to get some people's goats. Did you ever play warhammer or is this an outsider perspective?
Who the hell actually wants The Old World?
And whoever you are, why the fuck didn't you just play WHFB anyway? It's not like there was a sudden and complete lack of fantasy wargame models out there, or all the army and rulebooks were wiped off the face of the planet.
If you're an oldfag you probably had all the shit hanging around anyway, so why the fuck are you waiting on this? If you were sick of Warhammer as a game system and wanted something better, why the fuck are you waiting a GW product?
I genuinely do not understand why anyone gives even half a shit about this.
These are fucking boring. At least the khopeshe's had a little flair
what's the point when I can buy something almost identical right now for cheaper than however much these are going to be
I like both, with a preference on age of sigmar.
Wfb is not a game I'd play with strangers, like HH needs some setup to work well
Bretonnia is going to get gay, lesbian, and trans knights.
If you paint them as such, lets not pretend that shit doesnt already exist.
>there black people in the promo art
Who gives a fuck, paint it however you want.
Before this thread turns into a total fuckhouse due arguments about nihilism and trannies, its been informative and interesting talking with everyone about their takes on whatever ToW/GW is up to or aiming at. Thanks anons.
But can I use my Soul Grinder?
You know you are going to die right? But you don't know when. So you take it slow, but you try to live a full life. Really savour it.
Imagine you knew you'd die age 29. And you knew this once you turned 16.
How wierd would you feel? Could you take it slow and enjoy things? Would you fuck things up in some way? Could you date or have kids?
I knew wfb was a finite setting in a way, but setting the old world, the epic return to fantasy battles, a mere 150 years before the end times kills the setting... nit far back enough to be strange and intriguing. Not in a non end time time line...
It's wierd.
whats the point of playing a historical if we know the good guys lose in WW2?
thats how you sound you chud
Ww2 really happened. Collecting an army consisting of real units and forces is interesting.
The old world never happened. Its basically tunnel visioned on one very limited time of a huge fantastical world. Its not historical, its just lame as shit. It doesn't even have the same "collect how the legions were before they all changed radically" thing that horus heresy has with all the unique units and army set up from that era of the 40kverse.
Old world is set when Karl franzs grandpa was learning to walk. Boo fucking hoo that is so unappealing
>Ww2 really happened.
lol what a fucking buffoon
I bet you think the holohoax was real too you fuckin goof
no wonder you're a chaosfag loser
I'm the opposite of a chaos fag you dunce. How do you even get that from me saying I was the old world was either set in a world where chaos was held back from ultimately destroying the world or mayhap long before the world we know it as was.
Maybe a time when the tomb Kings were still alive and elf culture was very different
I'm not really reading the posts because warhammer is stupid bullshit
>also is written from the unreliable narrator side of daemonic chaos, thus taking the word of daemons at face value and deciding the world is doomed is really falling for their bit
warhamfags never realized that army books are always written to show their side winning or perspective, that's why chaosfags linking their dogshit lore is always retarded because it's supposed to be written by lying demons and crazy people
Did you ever play Warhammer or is this an outsider explanation of why you never did?
This is from a guy who wanted to play fantasy battles when I was 10 but was way too poor, so I played small games for 40k instead whilst watching the amazing sight of wfb I'm my local store. I had the rule book, I played shadow of the horned rat. I even bought some fantasy blister packs because I could afford those. I had a tomb priest and an empire general.
When I was leaving for college I finally started my high elf army and then, out of the blue and 1000 points in age of sigmar happened.
My high elves were compatible but the setting and gameplay was awful in aos 1e. And to see the world I obsessed over get destroyed out of the blue sucked. I think people forget how bad it was handled.
Anyway now I have a high elf army and just wish they set the revival game for fantasy in... not this terribly short and limited time battle
Forgot to mention how high elves WERE in aos and even the starter box for the game and THEN WERE ABRUBTLY REMOVED scamming many people out of a playable army as little as weeks after buying it
this seems like a such a retarded argument tbh. I think you're just wanting to whinge about AoS even when GW gives you chuddies your terrible system back (not that you couldnt just play it anyway without GWs sanctioned fist up your ass puppeting you)
Bait
have a nice day!!!!
The irony was it was me about a year ago who made those "age of sigmar art made to look like wfb art" with filters and textures.
Oh im sure it was sensei, thank you for your service. Now fuck off.
Oh that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.
Has it been difficult to find 6th/7th edition games in your area? Seems like it gets discussed enough here. You could play high elves and do whatever with the timeline.
I started with Epic and hex&chit stuff then got distracted by 40K, BFG, etc. and only swung back into whf via warmaster recently so its fucking bizarro world to see all the various feelings and opinions on the end times, AoS, etc.
WHFB died once, it will die again.
Everything dies, but few things get to live again.
I legit don't understand why AoS people are so desperate for this to fail. Or why they're so blind that they can't see how this will interface with AoS. You guys really think this won't have a Beastman release and it won't be compatible with AoS?
It's inevitable that this shit will be pushed as cross-compatible between both games, thus becoming extremely easy to sell to as wide an audience as possible.
As a genuine AoS fan who never really cared about Fantasy, I hope it does well, but I suspect GW is either going to treat it as basically HH 2.0 or if it does get spun off into a full game then it or AoS will be cannibalized for the other. Neither of these are ideal.
WFB is 100% guaranteed to die, the only thing reviving it does is help kill AOS. Beastmen, daemons, daughters of khaine, kharadons, fyreslayers, fishboys, flesheater courts, vampires and 90% of factions in AOS get 0 releases per year. There's only 3-4 factions not being totally neglected. AOS is close to death, WFB stealing relleases from AOS could end both games.
Maybe I don't check out AoS threads enough, but it seems like they don't really care and it's either some Fantasy players and/or shitposters posting about how TOW is going to kill AoS.
This has become a pissing contest both are good
my piss is not only smellier but also more yellow than your piss you fucking bitch
That means your body is weaker
my piss would melt your face
lmao if you're still seething about random Ganker threads a week from now I highly suggest you seek professional help and possibly medication
its over...the storm,....
I like the new Stormcasts 🙂
Wow, didn't know geedubs got GRRM to work for them! I'll be sure to buy the new Warhammer© models now!
>WHFB gets zero new players and dies because it requires a stupid amount of high priced models to play
>what if we brought it back except now it's even more expensive because it's from the "boutique" brand
Genuinely, what is the point of this and who is the audience? Are they banking on the guys who already have 5000+ points to fund the entire thing? Or are they expecting new people to jump in and buy and paint hundreds of models to play with said guys who only play 2500+ point games?
total war fans who don't know any better
Warhammer Fantasy is a well loved setting with great games and books and unforgettable characters, it has inspired fans to create high quality fanart and quests and spend countless hours in deep conversation about the history and world. It doesn't matter what GW does with the IP because the setting has captured the imagination of millions just like LOTR before it. What are the fruits of AoS? Some underage bans who can do nothing but bitch on forums? Fairweather fans who's only contribution to the fandom is to produce some excel spreadsheets and talk endlessly about their love of money because they have no love for the setting? The same people who will abandon AoS when it hits a rough spot and move onto the next big thing?
>Warhammer Fantasy is a well loved setting with great games and books and unforgettable characters
lmao
>Genuinely, what is the point of this and who is the audience
aussies, just like heresy 1.0
idk man, I tried to ask about that in the first 40 or so posts and got some interesting answers but then shit went sideways.
As far as I can tell its a mix of battered housewives from WHF and new targets with disposable income who like GW as a brand. Anyone else is extra.
Also learned global campaigns are uh, a problem of sort.
While there definitely are some battered housewives, I just don't see any new players seeing they need to paint blocks of 40 guys priced at $100 per 10 and jumping in.
Horus Heresy is actually not that expensive to get into because of the starter set and general switch to plastic. I imagine Old World is going to be the same, launching with a Brets vs Tomb Kings plastic starter set. All comes down to the rules though, if they keep the 6th edition model count things will hopefully be fine.
Those two are not at all equivalent and you know that.
Just let me use circle bases
I was curious.
It's a pretty close fit.
I just want some of those classic warhammer dwarfs, man
there are imitators but nothing is the same
I probably wouldn't even make an full army, but even though GW can go fuck themselves, if they released dwarf models that are like the old school ones, I am 100% buying them. Not a lot, probably a little brick of guys and like two characters. But I'm buying them.
>GW can go fuck themselves
>if they released dwarf models that are like the old school ones, I am 100% buying them
This sort of insanity is likely also what I am underestimating.
Doesn't even have to sell a whole army if a block costs whatever it does.
fuck AOS, WFB will rightfully presume its thrown as best fantasy battle game
>thrown
Yep, Thrown into the fucking bin. (Again lol.)
I'm a fantasy enjoyer, have a 4000 points army and so on but these look like fucking rancid proooontard shit.
these actually dont look good.. they have this "our target audience is 5 years olds" kind of aesthetic
please tell me there are more pictures. what were seeing here looks fucking bad. i get it isnt truescale but this looks bad for even heroscale.
lol judging by quality of these renders it's tOW that's fucked, right at the start.
It is just 3 helmets and 5 shields relax, I will judge them once I see some assembled minis and not a bunch bits.
At least we know they are working on it.
Why even put them out if we're not meant to judge em?
oh you can judge them all you want I just do not care that much about the first 3D renders also they look like a blast to paint.
Sometimes stls can be too detailed which is actually bad for painting since the details and cravases become to small and shallow.
>also they look like a blast to paint
handicapped confirmed
>I will judge them once I see some assembled minis and not a bunch bits.
See you in 10 years, anon
Look like shit, sorry. It's 2023, GW has shitload of money and what they unironically post is some simplistic and basic (in terms of skill) junk.
confused. why doesn't gw just fire up the old molds in preparation for the old world, and then release new models? these bretonnia 'sculpts' are hardly different
Isn't that what they are doing for age of sigmar now? Seem to be for example Ironbreakers and other old miniatures on round bases being sold now
The Bretonnian Knights kit is much older than (most of) the WHFB plastic kits that are still in production for AoS. They still look alright today thanks to the relative simplicity of the design and being good sculpts for the time (I want to say they're Perry models but I'm not sure), but they are definitely starting to show their age.
For sure there will be a lot of old kits simply being thrown back into production though, almost every plastic kit from 7th and 8th still holds up well today. I expect much of the Tomb Kings range to be reprints of old kits for example since they got a fairly big refresh at the time - but their basic skeletons are kind of shitty so I think they'll get a new core box.
yes the perry bros did most of the bretonnian range, including these
Big reason gw never did anything new with them until the game was canned is the perrys leaving, probably.
The Perry's did the range those replaced.
> fairly big refresh
The only TK units to receive a refresh were the Tomb Guard and a new weapon option for Ushabti that was horrible in-game. Everything else was either a new creation or models that were old as balls, with half the range still in metal/fineshit.
The problem with the newer units is that they were mechanically horrible and did not match the existing 6E playstyle, or were just not functional within the 8E ruleset. Necropolis Knights are the one that sticks out as being thematically very silly but mechanically very strong, and so suddenly every TK army ever started building up multiple boxes of them just to avoid getting tabled.
It's almost like GW build their games around a pay to win ethos or something...
If that was the plan, why are they so fucking bad at it?
> Necropolis Knights are spammed while Sepulchral Stalkers are awful
> Both variants of Sphinx suck hot shit
> The Hierotitan is a must-have; doesn't get a model
> The new Ushabti are by far the worst variant and one of the worst units in the whole book
They've never understood game design. If you look at general trends, they clearly try to go for a pay to win model, but they obviously don't actually test anything.
They’re owned by the same company and both systems share the same models. Quit being retarded.
which fantasy army uses the airship dwarfs? which AOS army uses bretonnians?
>airship
fantasy, literally malaki was renown for building airships
>bretonnians
ghouls
where in the ghoul battletome is rules that match any of the bretonnian range?
Which edition of dwarfs has rules for jetpack gunners?
>where in the ghoul battletome is rules that match any of the bretonnian range?
the ghouls are in fluff bretonnians no?
but if you mean rules you're fucking retarded. they're lumped under either the undead cav or the cities of sigmar cav.
if they're popular enough i don't fucking doubt they'll transpose them over, make them plain of life humans that worship the lady. effort is fucking near zero.
>jetpack gunners
Man those goal posts shifting hard
moron this is like asking where was the giant dragons in the slayer dwarf roster.
I'm sorry moron did you count how many armies are literally just fantasy updated sculpts or not, hrrrm all of chaos, ogres, a lot of orks cities of sigmar. man i wonder how many armies could be transposed intantly to slot back into rosters?
a really fucking mystery innit?
How is it goalpost shifting to ask about some of the models that you say are shared?
Which whfb roster has flying shaerks with elves on?
Where IS the big lizard monster in the slayer roster?
What AOS army uses Tomb King chariots?
Does WHFB have rules for archaon riding his hideous new 3 headed monster?
Where is half the ork roster that no longer has minis in the orruks stuff?
How do I use an empire great cannon in cities of sigmar?
>How is it goalpost shifting to ask about some of the models that you say are shared?
I was actually a different anon, not my words but it is generally true
>hurrr edgecases is fucking disinegnious when you're dealing with AoS. many fucking armies are directly based on existing armies or are carry overs. Almost all of chaos, destruction death and order can slot right back into fantasy or were from fantasy. that's just objectively true.
>Where is half the ork roster that no longer has minis in the orruks stuff?
are you having a stroke? what?
Everything in orks is covered. Grots = grots
Orks = orks
savages = savage boys
If you are too much of a bitch to just feel the krule boys as boys, fuck maybe GW will produce dwai zharr again. fuck i hope they do.
>empire great cannons
you used to just take it, it was directly carried over and lumped under the "good + dark elves" army list. are you like retarded or something, this can literally just be slotted right back in. assuming you can't just use it as a dorf cannon
>from Aos to fantasy
Wouldn't be too hard to transfer these edge cases over GW holds the IP
Freebe for you.
Dorf runesmiths bind the salamanders or whatever for the forges using the great ancestral rune of butfucking produced by thordick Ironcock.
Shark elves = fucking dark elf bullshit.
>fant to aos
incredibly easy, they can port it over directly, proxy for the appropriate unit or maybe fish out some of the old rules. crying shame the chariots were removed from undead.
>the ghouls are in fluff bretonnians no?
>share the same models
But which models from the bret line are shared with ghouls?
>But which models from the bret line are shared with ghouls?
see
>but if you mean rules you're fucking retarded. they're lumped under either the undead cav or the cities of sigmar cav.
see
>Are you talking about the flesh eater courts, as in a thing that's been around since Fantasy and were most definitely NOT Bretts?
>the ghouls are in fluff bretonnians no?
Are you talking about the flesh eater courts, as in a thing that's been around since Fantasy and were most definitely NOT Bretts?
>the ghouls are in fluff bretonnians no?
No, you colossal retard. The ghouls believe they are normal, medieval kingdom due to their delusions. They don't literally believe they are THE bretonians, because AoS doesn't have bretonians.
>hurr they aren't literally the bretonnians
yeah you fucking autist i know. just about everything was deleted. The closest thing to a literal translation is rando stormcast who were heroes of bretonnia. as far as i was led to believe, the use french names, pretend to be nobility, and the comparison makes all the bret players seethe.
and the fucking deserve it.
Very different in fantasy, don't fucking spit your max copyright bullshit at me. They were under the vampire army book before GW split it off.
Ghouls in fantasy aren't fucking necron flayed ones, suffering from a collective delusion. they're more like Sawney Bean, inbred cannibals and degenerates, half feral men who follow vampires like ravens hoping to feed on the dead and dying. in other cases necromanitc experiments or servants of the degenerate strigoi.
>and the fucking deserve it.
Why?
They're just innocent men.
>They're just innocent men.
They're French.
>Very different in fantasy
Are you sure about that?
>don't fucking spit your max copyright bullshit at me.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>They were under the vampire army book before GW split it off
Yes, and?
>Ghouls in fantasy aren't fucking necron flayed ones, suffering from a collective delusion
Not all ghouls, but the flesh eater courts were, and they pre-date AOS.
In spite of the epithet Ghoul Kings the Strigoi are basically feral autists who contrary to suffering from any delusion of being chivalric frenchmen are very aware of how pathetic they've become.
>Are you sure about that?
pretty sure, i played vampire counts. blood dragons mind, 'ate ghouls not raycis just don't liek em
>what are you talking about
flesh eater courts is a new name for the new army and distinct so it can be copyrighted.
>yes and
it's not a distinct army.
>not all ghouls and they
citation.
unironically, i like the vampire count fiction. i did read a couple books on the strigoi back in 6th.
Autistic questioning anon here.
After reading this thread and talking with a lot of people about why they're buying or not and the various factors I have shifted from not being sure what the sales plan was and thinking no one would bother to being fairly sure the sales plan is
>just keep making it, they'll buy it
and it will likely work. There's about as many
>I will buy this
from returns and newcomers compared to people who won't.
It would be interesting to see what the projected net is and compare that to what happens but I don't think we'll ever see that.
Anyway, thanks for responding earnestly to those who did, it was interesting to read your perspectives and reasons.
>from returns and newcomers compared to people who won't.
I think your data is going to be skewed a bit, negatively too because Ganker is one of the few places on the internet you can actually shit on GW.
more thoughts:
From what I've seen it's round base warhammer which means it's just going to be the AoS rules on a WHFB setting.
Usually people point to the rules as the best part of aos and the worst part of WHFB (atleast for new people) with total warhammer still being reasonably popular i think you're going to have a pretty big community.
the only question is are they going to produce a stillbirth it like they did heresy 2e.
>no support
>few releases
>terrible rules and balancing.
it will have a big fomo surge but those will determine if it actually stays.
Can 3d print these for 10 cents
until someone sneezes on your thin resin helmet crests or looks at them the wrong way and the shitty material snaps
This
Friend hates GW with a passion for some reason. Goes on about his 3D printers and how much money he is saving per model. Without adding in the cost and labour of the machines and the million patreons he backs to get models.
Prints me one okay looking model for my army. I accept more to be nice and seem interested.
Go home to prime and paint it. Anything that isn't part of the main body just seem to snaps off in an instant. Even fairly solid pieces like the weapon just snapped in two.
I'm sure there are some settings he can fine tune to at least make it better. But still
I don't even own a proonter but sounds like your friend is using utterly and absolutely dog resin.
>Friend hates GW with a passion for some reason.
>Some reason.
>Some.
>Reason.
> Anything that isn't part of the main body just seem to snaps off in an instant.
He's using bad resin or he's curing it too much. I've been able to print skeletons on a Photon mono without many issues.
SKELETONS.
RIP stormies