if you buy your games through steam you'll have a hard time finding an actually desirable game that won't run great
if you pirate them its the same thing but you just have to type some shit in the terminal or use a gui called Bottles
this fear mongering is moronic
ProtonDB's ranking is all sorts of fricked up.
Most games from silver to platinum play the same, it's just that silvers have either just started working, or experienced a regression and you should use an older version of Proton to play them.
I'm not him and I don't know or care how hard he's coping, but he's right that ProtonDB's rating system is kinda fricky. A couple of years ago, I tried to play an obscure indie game, and it didn't work, so I reported this (as did a few others) and it was rated Borked. Later the game was updated and this happened to make it more Proton-compatible, to the point where it works perfectly, so I reported that it works perfectly now and the rating went from Borked to Silver. The only reports are my new one saying it works perfectly and reports from literally years ago saying it was busted. First of all, "Silver" is supposed to mean "runs with minor issues", which was never the case for this game which went from broken to perfect. Second of all, such old reports are useless, and I'm not saying the overall rating should be determined solely based on my own personal report, but if there aren't enough recent reports then the rating should just go back to pending or whatever, and it doesn't. The game's Silver rating makes no sense and I will die on this hill. Actually I'm going to bed now but I'm still right.
Nothing in my post was wrong though. You seem to be trying to argue about something entirely unrelated to what I wrote. Maybe talk to your straw man or find someone else ITT who wants to bicker about whether "games in Linux work nicely" because my anecdote about why ProtonDB's rating system sucks has nothing to do with that.
>why are you still gaming on Windows?
I'm not.
But I'm also not advertising Linux to Windows gamers because it's counter-productive. People who are happy with Windows have no reason to switch, and the ones who do try Linux because of posts like yours will just become the next generation of "waaaaah Ganker TRICKED me into using Linux" posters, who try to ruin every Linux thread they see because they're so butthurt about having wasted a few hours finding out that Linux isn't just Penguin-flavored Windows 11.
>Which is why it's backwards compatibile
it can't even run 32 bit programs without a compatibility layer (like wine in a way)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Important to note, win32 software doesn't just mean 32 bit software. Almost every piece of software you've ever run or interacted with on Windows even the few things that are 64bit was win32.
Microsoft's replacement for win32 hasn't gotten much uptake from developers, but they keep trying to make Windows without the compatibility layer happen because it would significantly reduce their support costs.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just throw in the towel and switch to Wine themselves. Maintaining an officially supported version of Wine would be cheaper for them than maintaining their own rotted code base they want to kill.
>Modern Windows built on top of Windows 98 >This is why its backwards compatible
Might be bait. Modern Windows is built on NT which is a VMS clone. It has absolutely nothing in common with Windows 9x. The reason its backwards compatible is the same reason GNU/Linux based OSes are backwards compatible, there is a win32 compatibility layer.
Unlike Proton which is optimized for gaming and gives you a lot of tools for getting games to work, the compatibility layer included in NT derived OSes is a one-size-fits-all solution, and Microsoft are really only concerned with business applications. Over time Microsoft's solution has gotten worse for gaming, while Proton has gotten better simply because of the developer focus.
This same exact situation is what led to DOSbox becoming the standard for running DOS games regardless of platform.
Why is it that you penguin gays don't understand that a lot of us don't care if it works?
Hell, I for one absolutely DESPISE the operating principles of Linux, especially as a "home operating system." I am far more okay with Linux as a serverside kernel.
/mnt/ID is an absolutely atrocious way of mounting drives and you frickers know it.
Andendum:Linux is good for programming. I still don't like it though. I would much rather have MS-DOS to program with.
I need to also elaborate:/mnt/ is perhaps the least of my concerns, it's just the one that happens to plagues me the most as an OpenComputers user. There's a lot more going on with the Unix and Linux philosophies that I don't like. I much prefer the DOS philosophies which Windows builds upon.
It is simply personal preference and you WILL not be able to change it, no matter how hard you try.
Because letterspace is immediately accessible, and doesn't confuse the user by being a separate fricking folder on the OS!
"I wanna go to a drive! I've gotta type(or navigate, and assuming from /home/, ../mnt/UUID!" vs "I wanna go to a thumb drive I just inserted! I click the side thingy that says F: and 'USB drive' and it works!"
So don't mount your drives as /mnt/UUID?
Nothing stopping you from creating your own mount points named whatever you want them to be.
I often just mount them as as /home/username/thing on the drive.
Way better than having to remember WTF e: or f: are.
That's an extra step for the user who just installed their OS and may not even know what that is!
Windows also displays the name of the drive BEFORE the letterspace, and you can create shortcuts by simply right clicking and creating.
>"I wanna go to a drive! I've gotta type(or navigate, and assuming from /home/, ../mnt/UUID!" vs "I wanna go to a thumb drive I just inserted! I click the side thingy that says F: and 'USB drive' and it works!"
just use a fricking DE, christ
Okay! Cool! "Navigate to ../mnt/UUID" was implying a DE but whatever.
Which one should I get? How do I determine what is a good DE? Why doesn't it come out of the box? Which one of these is my flash drives?
Obviously the out of box question and the flash drive question doesn't apply to me, I'm just presenting things less tech savvy questions to you to show a problem here.
Linux is not beginner friendly. That is its greatest failure. There's too much to pick from and it will overwhelm ANYONE not tech savvy or experienced with Linux.
Compare that to MacOS or Windows, where it's a one and done deal. You know what you're getting, because it's advertised clearly, and neither term applies to a WIDE branch of potentials.
>Navigate to ../mnt/UUID" was implying a DE
Most DEs show the drives you have mounted in a special location that's easily accessible. Like on the desktop, or in a sidebar in the file manager.
>what is a good DE? Why doesn't it come out of the box?
Maybe don't install a distribution that's a kit for advanced users to essentially build their own system?
Most mainstream distributions include a desktop out of the box.
>Which one of these is my flash drives?
The DE will show you that it mounted and display its name. It will probably even have an icon to identify a USB thumb drive vs a CD-ROM or a hard drive.
>Linux is not beginner friendly
That's an extremely broad statement. A bunch of very user friendly distributions exist.
Some of them are so user friendly you probably have used them without realizing what they were.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Neat. I'm glad some more user friendly interfaces have come into existence since my last attempt into Linux.
Most of these are valid, but... >A bunch of very user friendly distributions exist.
If you had read further, that was literally the entire problem.
It's option overload. >Some of them are so user friendly you probably have used them without realizing what they were.
I'm aware of what Android is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'm glad some more user friendly interfaces have come into existence since my last attempt into Linux.
Was that in 1993? Its been that way in Gnome and KDE as long as I can remember, and I started using GNU/Linux based OSes around the time of KDE 1.
>It's option overload.
So just buy a Chromebook. Or a SteamDeck.
Those are really your two choices for totally brain dead GNU/Linux devices today.
>I'm aware of what Android is.
There's a lot more of them than just Android/Linux. Just about any of the single-purpose OSes, like for creating a retro console are GNU/Linux underneath.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>boomer synapses became too rigid to adapt to change
Very sad.
>So they finally caught on to where we were on UNIX based OSes 50 years ago.
This was a thing since the early days of Windows 3.x at the latest. Probably earlier but it's been so long.
Also, no. Unix did not have that. There's a reason Unix was going out of style 30 years ago in the professional world.
All Linux did was rescued Unix for servers.
>You know they ripped off the symlink concept from UNIX too right?
Wow it's almost like CP/M had these too to be a lighter clone of Unix, and DOS is a more basic clone of CP/M. It's even like Windows started as a DOS desktop environment, and would inherit all of the neat DOS features.
>These things you think are cool unique features, we've had forever.
No. I'm not daft. I know that Linux, being a very interchangeable kernel with thousands of hipster hobbyist programmers wanting to add neat features, would have a bunch of features that don't appeal to me but are neat. >I bet you think that the "new" virtual desktop feature is really cool too right?
No, it really isn't. It's moronic.
>No, it really isn't. It's moronic.
The way its implemented on Windows perhaps, but there's its an afterthought.
>and DOS is a more basic clone of CP/M. It's even like Windows started as a DOS desktop environment
To be clear, the way DOS handled links is in no way similar to how symlinks work on UNIX based environments. On those legacy systems its a kludge while on UNIX its just a basic feature of the design.
Also modern Windows is in no way derived from DOS. NT is a VMS clone.
>This was a thing since the early days of Windows 3.x at the latest.
Not to my memory. Maybe its something I've forgotten but I can never recall Windows ever being able to put a disk drive at any arbitrary location.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>symlinks
Yeah, but to the user, it doesn't matter, and hardlinks more or less work the same to programs as the Unix ones. It doesn't matter operationally, even if it's true.
>The way its implemented on Windows perhaps, but there's its an afterthought.
Oh, just like how they stole actual Linux code for Windows 11's taskbar.
Why are you caring about ported features when they straight up ripped out actual Linux work that was stored on Github?
>Also modern Windows is in no way derived from DOS.
I am aware that we are not living in the Windows 9x era, however you can operate Windows 95 with very little effort if you know how to operate Windows 10, and vice versa. This means that many DOS-isms are still supported by modern Windows as a result.
32 bit Windows even comes with NTVDM, which is a literal DOS virtual machine. >NT is a VMS clone.
VMS? I don't know what that is. That's a new term.
I will tell you OS/2, which the NT kernel is derived from, is NOT a VMS clone.
>Not to my memory. Maybe its something I've forgotten but I can never recall Windows ever being able to put a disk drive at any arbitrary location.
Shortcuts have been a thing since the DOS era, but ignoring that for a second, there's a miscommunication here.
Me saying Windows has done this for ages is in reference to >Windows also displays the name of the drive BEFORE the letterspace
Not symlinks.
>The SteamDeck uses Linux
The Steamdeck uses SteamOS
SteamOS is Linux based.
>boomer synapses became too rigid to adapt to change
Very sad.
>20 year old is too stubborn for linuxgays to accept
>I'm glad some more user friendly interfaces have come into existence since my last attempt into Linux.
Was that in 1993? Its been that way in Gnome and KDE as long as I can remember, and I started using GNU/Linux based OSes around the time of KDE 1.
>It's option overload.
So just buy a Chromebook. Or a SteamDeck.
Those are really your two choices for totally brain dead GNU/Linux devices today.
>I'm aware of what Android is.
There's a lot more of them than just Android/Linux. Just about any of the single-purpose OSes, like for creating a retro console are GNU/Linux underneath.
None of those I got to try before I had to give up on Linux because I received literally hundreds of suggestions. There's only so much I can do.
Can I also say that someone genuinely suggested I should do Gentoo as my first distro when I became mildly interested due to rumored KSP performance increases.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>VMS? I don't know what that is. That's a new term.
VMS was DEC's OS on their hardware. NT was created by people Microsoft hired from DEC, and is derived from its design.
NT wasn't actually based on OS/2 at all, but I can see how that perception might happen when at one point Microsoft and IBM were collaborating on it and there are some design similarities.
>they straight up ripped out actual Linux work that was stored on Github?
As long as they didn't violate the license there's absolutely no problem with them doing that.
Honestly, its good that Microsoft has finally come to terms with how shit their 'not invented here' philosophy has made their platform.
They just need to go the rest of the way and admit maintaining NT gains them nothing in the modern era other than more expense.
So don't mount your drives as /mnt/UUID?
Nothing stopping you from creating your own mount points named whatever you want them to be.
I often just mount them as as /home/username/thing on the drive.
Way better than having to remember WTF e: or f: are.
Cool, you do you.
I on the other hand absolutely despise how Windows works, which is why I use Linux despite knowing I have to give up a few games for it, it's still a worthwhile trade.
I'd assume most Linux users are the same.
I would bet so. I know that at least two of my friends hate Windows because it makes programming a pain in the ass. I agree with them, but for me it's not worth dualbooting and learning a whole new system.
I've also been incredibly lucky with Windows. My friends seem to suffer problems constantly, my PC runs like a well lubricated machine. I get maybe one problem from Windows a month, compared to the cacophony that happens from my friend's computers whenever they try that.
Once a month is pretty good considering I leave it on basically 24/7, and it's always something minor, like explorer.exe dying for a minute and then recovering itself.
Oh alright, if you meant minor issues that at most require a reboot then it's reasonable. I was thinking of stuff that actually requires intervention.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh no. I don't even need to reboot my computer most of the time.
I think the worst was the inexplicable time Windows forgot where it was when booting from hibernation, panicked, blue screened, and then after a couple of restarts, it figured out what the hell it was doing and started working again. That was years ago though.
Honestly, the most prevalent complaint I have about Windows 10, other than its user interface and aesthetics, is that it can boot itself from hibernation mode without me pressing the power button.
That's NOT hibernation mode, and also I've lost work before because it does that for updates.
frick off linux gays
you can only play irrelevant indie / old games and still have issues.
like what the flying frick is this shit >626074736 ... this is not GAMING.
jannies must be linuxgays as well because they let these threads roll while Windows threads are deleted.
weird because I can play doom eternal and tiny tina's wonderlands just fine on my computer
must be a bug I guess I'll have to report it to the weirdos who just happen to make linux mint
Who pays for Windows?
I only did because my father imposed moralism on me. I regret every fricking dollar I spent for Windows 10, I have a massive distaste for the OS that would've been easier to swallow had I not paid for it.
I don't really feel mad at you. I just feel disappointment. Like when a dad sees his gay son come home with a positive HIV test. It's hard to be mad at him for being the person he is but I wouldn't exactly say the feeling is happy either.
>use windows >get buttfricked but you can play games atleast >use linux >no games
I mean, just don't have anything you don't want shared on that Windows PC. At least I can still game.
>Valve is currently forcing game developers to make Steam Deck EXCLUSIVES >Even if you have an up to date troonix machine you have to tweak it even more to pretend your machine is a Steam Deck, otherwise it won't run
LAUGH AT TROONIX gayS HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! TRULY IS THE FREEDOM OF FREEDOMS AM I RIGHT? LMAO
>Greedy company gets paid to make windows exclusive games. >Gaben slaps their shit. >Company tries to make it stop working on linux machines anyway. >Linux desktop can just spoof Steam Deck environment to run the game anyway.
Explain to me how this is a problem. Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
>Gaben slaps their shit.
More like Gaben payed for them to make it not run on Linux
>Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
Who cares, you seriously think this is a one time only thing? This was a test, it might be easy to spoof, but it's still an extra unnecessary step, next time it will be harder and more annoying to do it.
>Greedy company gets paid to make windows exclusive games. >Gaben slaps their shit. >Company tries to make it stop working on linux machines anyway. >Linux desktop can just spoof Steam Deck environment to run the game anyway.
Explain to me how this is a problem. Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
>Gaben slaps their shit.
More like Gaben payed for them to make it not run on Linux
>Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
Who cares, you seriously think this is a one time only thing? This was a test, it might be easy to spoof, but it's still an extra unnecessary step, next time it will be harder and more annoying to do it.
That isn't even what happened. The devs tested the game on the Deck, saw it didn't work so they added a Deck-specific workaround that's only done if the game detects it's being run on a Deck.
Soon after that, people noticed Deck was the only Linux system it worked on so they started spoofing a Deck environment to play it.
Just a bit later, Valve added a patch that automatically spoofs any Linux system to look like a Deck for this specific game to make it work on all systems.
>Gaben slaps their shit.
More like Gaben payed for them to make it not run on Linux
>Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
Who cares, you seriously think this is a one time only thing? This was a test, it might be easy to spoof, but it's still an extra unnecessary step, next time it will be harder and more annoying to do it.
I know you're just pretending, but this is for everyone else who might fall for it:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6474#issuecomment-1403210754
https://steamdb.info/app/891390/history/?changeid=17495330
The game's developer made the game check for Steam Deck. Valve then configured Steam Play to apply the Steam Deck flag on all Linux systems to work around it.
Anon is claiming the literal opposite of what happened because he thinks he's an epic troll.
Sure sounds like a lot of problems for a "just werks" machine. Imagine the idiots spending hours trying to figure out why the game won't load, lmao. Linux is the OS for the people who like to waste their time.
The same sort of back and forth shit goes on all the time with devs who have to interact with Microsoft's legacy compatibility layer.
You just don't get to see it because its not public the way Proton is.
There's tons of spaghetti code to get things to run optimally. That was the whole reason the 'quack.exe' shit happened.
I've used it since ubuntu 12.04 when tf2 first got linux support. Just never looked back at windows and have never cared to try other distros.
Technically I'm running Kubuntu, but neofetch is being weird for some reason.
Yeah iirc Ubuntu was the Valve-backed OS along with GNOME being the preferred DE. I find it weird they switched to Arch and KDE.
Even now if you run Steam from the command line in most OS' s you can see it complain that it's missing some Ubuntu files.
>I find it weird they switched to Arch and KDE
Canonical is not a nice company to work with. By contrast they can do literally whatever they want with Arch.
Canonical only does what's good for Ubuntu. Which makes it a "just works" distro, but it's not so good for people trying to make a distro dedicated for gaming.
How isn't a gaming distro not good for Ubuntu? It's not like Valve was gonna distribute anyways, they still haven't released an official SteamOS iso.
You would think Ubuntu would want to show everyone they're good for gaming, expanding their ecosystem.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean it is "good" for gaming. It's just people who play games are more likely to upgrade their hardware often. Most hardware stuff runs through the kernel so you'd need one that's always up to date. My machine is only linux 5.15, but the the most recent version is 6.0 I think.
5.15 isn't a problem for me since I'm just running it as a desktop to play oldish games.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but the the most recent version is 6.0 I think.
I'm currently on 6.1.8 but not sure if that's the newest either.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean it is "good" for gaming. It's just people who play games are more likely to upgrade their hardware often. Most hardware stuff runs through the kernel so you'd need one that's always up to date. My machine is only linux 5.15, but the the most recent version is 6.0 I think.
5.15 isn't a problem for me since I'm just running it as a desktop to play oldish games.
Sorry for using this as an example but this is a good example of user unfriendliness. If two Linux users can't keep track of what version is the newest, then how the frick are beginners supposed to figure out things like that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>two guys being too lazy to google the latest news means it's unknowable
epic
1 year ago
Anonymous
You shouldn't need a website to see if it's the latest. That should be a feature in the OS.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>showing the version number of the latest bleeding-edge kernel should be a feature of a stable distribution which deliberately stays on an older version of the kernel
uh, no
1 year ago
Bimmy Gates
You shouldn't need to look it up. Ubuntu is meant to be stable, so it stays on tested stable kernels. Only bleeding edge distros go for the newest kernels, usually tested less.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It literally takes a google search. 99% of my time on my computer isn't spent doing anything kernel related. You don't even need the newest stable version unless you have parts that released yesterday anyway.
Every streamer shilling rtx 3090s would be able to run any recent distro no problem
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not even their devs agree which feature to use, that's why they fork everything and anything they don't agree with and why you have a million distros, each doing their own thing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
kernel.org
Most users should not manually upgrade the kernel and just stick with what their distro provides.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're on the most recent stable version. I'm on some lts version of the kernel.
I would say the ones not for hobbyists unironically. Arch can and will break most times or it might come with defaults you don't like, or you might not even know how to set it up or look up how to set it up.
Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu would be at the top for me, in no particular order. They all have sane defaults that will most likely be to your liking.
I'm not, you can thank endeavourOS for that because whenever i tried switching to linux in the past I tried ubuntu and always switched back to windows after a few days
Now I'm a year and a half clean, don't even dual boot because I have 0 need for windows
I just want a simple OS that works.
I don't want a whole bunch of options I'll never mess with.
I don't want a bunch of customization, my wallpaper is all the customization I need.
I don't care about transparency.
I don't care about "Sticking it to the man"
I just wanna game.
>A simple OS that just works
you're really doing a poor job of describing windows if that's your attempt
because windows does not work at all
it crashes when ever it feels like
>it's because you did x
nope but also that's a piss poor excuse for a operating system that's owned by a billion dollar corporation that's funded by the government
I use my computer to browse the internet and play videogames. Until it can't do either of those two things I do not consider changing it. I bought it in a store in 2014, since I got it I have changed the graphics card once (2 years ago when Doom Eternal came out) and installed windows 10 on it (last year because a game I wanted to play with friends didn't work on windows 7).
I know I can install the OS to an SSD, I know I should delete the programs I downloaded near a decade ago but the computer still does what I want it to do so I don't care to change it.
I'm not an enthusiast, now could I be considered a hobbyist. As a result, Linux simply isn't for me.
Battlefield 4 (yes this works but it stutters)
Battlefield 2042
Gundam Evolution
CS:S / CS:GO community servers (stutters whenever a new chunk of the map loads in)
Photoshop / Premiere Pro
Sony Vegas
NVIDIA Shadowplay
NVIDIA control panel shit (sharpening + GSync / V-Sync / ULLM)
FanControl (I don't know if this works on Linux)
just reinstalled windows was trying out debian sid for gaming and it was fine no hiccups besides not auto downloading wine with steam or proton which surprised me. reinstalled windows for games I couldnt play on linux.
There are more games that I want to personally play that are on windows, that is how. I'd love to be proven wrong though, my chosen genre is boomer shooter.
So the neighbors can see my naked schlong while I play my Switch.
I'm not a pedo and I play with friends
same but i don't use w*ndows
im not
im on arch btw :^)
Trunnadox is too complicated to be mainstream.
>admitting that you're tech illiterate
I'm afraid your intel is fabricated. I've been on Linux for years.
easier to pirate games and paint.net
me am computard
>Requires tweaks and wasting time just to get the game running (not perfectly)
Nah, I'll pass
if you buy your games through steam you'll have a hard time finding an actually desirable game that won't run great
if you pirate them its the same thing but you just have to type some shit in the terminal or use a gui called Bottles
this fear mongering is moronic
>monster hunter rise had a bug for weeks that prevented you from being able to save
>bug wasn't present at all on linux
not my problem
dont forget elden ring
>bug wasn't present at all on linux
Yes because you couldn't even play it on Linux LMAO
>I am spreading misinformation on the internet
ProtonDB's ranking is all sorts of fricked up.
Most games from silver to platinum play the same, it's just that silvers have either just started working, or experienced a regression and you should use an older version of Proton to play them.
sounds like copium
you should know
I'm not him and I don't know or care how hard he's coping, but he's right that ProtonDB's rating system is kinda fricky. A couple of years ago, I tried to play an obscure indie game, and it didn't work, so I reported this (as did a few others) and it was rated Borked. Later the game was updated and this happened to make it more Proton-compatible, to the point where it works perfectly, so I reported that it works perfectly now and the rating went from Borked to Silver. The only reports are my new one saying it works perfectly and reports from literally years ago saying it was busted. First of all, "Silver" is supposed to mean "runs with minor issues", which was never the case for this game which went from broken to perfect. Second of all, such old reports are useless, and I'm not saying the overall rating should be determined solely based on my own personal report, but if there aren't enough recent reports then the rating should just go back to pending or whatever, and it doesn't. The game's Silver rating makes no sense and I will die on this hill. Actually I'm going to bed now but I'm still right.
Imagine typing all that and still be wrong. There is a reason not a lot of games in Linux work nicely and require tweaking around. lol
you're a fricking imbecile and I sincerely hope you're getting paid for this
not as much as you probably.
Nothing in my post was wrong though. You seem to be trying to argue about something entirely unrelated to what I wrote. Maybe talk to your straw man or find someone else ITT who wants to bicker about whether "games in Linux work nicely" because my anecdote about why ProtonDB's rating system sucks has nothing to do with that.
>works on my machine
sure thing anon
Illiterate dumb ass.
Because frick Linux and Mac OS
>why are you still gaming on Windows?
I'm not.
But I'm also not advertising Linux to Windows gamers because it's counter-productive. People who are happy with Windows have no reason to switch, and the ones who do try Linux because of posts like yours will just become the next generation of "waaaaah Ganker TRICKED me into using Linux" posters, who try to ruin every Linux thread they see because they're so butthurt about having wasted a few hours finding out that Linux isn't just Penguin-flavored Windows 11.
Becauses I play video games.
is that before or after rimming bill gates's butthole
Bill Gates hasn't been involved with Windows since Windows 7.
Don't you have to go dilate now, homosexual freak
and modern windows is a bunch of UI frameworks on top of fricking windows 98
Which is why it's backwards compatibile.
While Linux has...?
>Which is why it's backwards compatibile
it can't even run 32 bit programs without a compatibility layer (like wine in a way)
Important to note, win32 software doesn't just mean 32 bit software. Almost every piece of software you've ever run or interacted with on Windows even the few things that are 64bit was win32.
Microsoft's replacement for win32 hasn't gotten much uptake from developers, but they keep trying to make Windows without the compatibility layer happen because it would significantly reduce their support costs.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just throw in the towel and switch to Wine themselves. Maintaining an officially supported version of Wine would be cheaper for them than maintaining their own rotted code base they want to kill.
>Modern Windows built on top of Windows 98
>This is why its backwards compatible
Might be bait. Modern Windows is built on NT which is a VMS clone. It has absolutely nothing in common with Windows 9x. The reason its backwards compatible is the same reason GNU/Linux based OSes are backwards compatible, there is a win32 compatibility layer.
Unlike Proton which is optimized for gaming and gives you a lot of tools for getting games to work, the compatibility layer included in NT derived OSes is a one-size-fits-all solution, and Microsoft are really only concerned with business applications. Over time Microsoft's solution has gotten worse for gaming, while Proton has gotten better simply because of the developer focus.
This same exact situation is what led to DOSbox becoming the standard for running DOS games regardless of platform.
Linux is mostly backwards compatible with Windows, via Wine.
Quite similar to how modern Windows can still run 95/98 applications and games.
Actually most of the modern windows frameworks come from Windows NT which is older, even the filesystem NTFS is a WNT remnant
Wrong board
This is a gaming thread though.
Why is it that you penguin gays don't understand that a lot of us don't care if it works?
Hell, I for one absolutely DESPISE the operating principles of Linux, especially as a "home operating system." I am far more okay with Linux as a serverside kernel.
/mnt/ID is an absolutely atrocious way of mounting drives and you frickers know it.
how is it any different than LETTER: namespaces
Andendum:Linux is good for programming. I still don't like it though. I would much rather have MS-DOS to program with.
I need to also elaborate:/mnt/ is perhaps the least of my concerns, it's just the one that happens to plagues me the most as an OpenComputers user. There's a lot more going on with the Unix and Linux philosophies that I don't like. I much prefer the DOS philosophies which Windows builds upon.
It is simply personal preference and you WILL not be able to change it, no matter how hard you try.
Because letterspace is immediately accessible, and doesn't confuse the user by being a separate fricking folder on the OS!
"I wanna go to a drive! I've gotta type(or navigate, and assuming from /home/, ../mnt/UUID!" vs "I wanna go to a thumb drive I just inserted! I click the side thingy that says F: and 'USB drive' and it works!"
That's an extra step for the user who just installed their OS and may not even know what that is!
Windows also displays the name of the drive BEFORE the letterspace, and you can create shortcuts by simply right clicking and creating.
>"I wanna go to a drive! I've gotta type(or navigate, and assuming from /home/, ../mnt/UUID!" vs "I wanna go to a thumb drive I just inserted! I click the side thingy that says F: and 'USB drive' and it works!"
just use a fricking DE, christ
Okay! Cool! "Navigate to ../mnt/UUID" was implying a DE but whatever.
Which one should I get? How do I determine what is a good DE? Why doesn't it come out of the box? Which one of these is my flash drives?
Obviously the out of box question and the flash drive question doesn't apply to me, I'm just presenting things less tech savvy questions to you to show a problem here.
Linux is not beginner friendly. That is its greatest failure. There's too much to pick from and it will overwhelm ANYONE not tech savvy or experienced with Linux.
Compare that to MacOS or Windows, where it's a one and done deal. You know what you're getting, because it's advertised clearly, and neither term applies to a WIDE branch of potentials.
any file manager with automounting support will do the trick man
make bookmarks to places to your heart's content
>Navigate to ../mnt/UUID" was implying a DE
Most DEs show the drives you have mounted in a special location that's easily accessible. Like on the desktop, or in a sidebar in the file manager.
>what is a good DE? Why doesn't it come out of the box?
Maybe don't install a distribution that's a kit for advanced users to essentially build their own system?
Most mainstream distributions include a desktop out of the box.
>Which one of these is my flash drives?
The DE will show you that it mounted and display its name. It will probably even have an icon to identify a USB thumb drive vs a CD-ROM or a hard drive.
>Linux is not beginner friendly
That's an extremely broad statement. A bunch of very user friendly distributions exist.
Some of them are so user friendly you probably have used them without realizing what they were.
Neat. I'm glad some more user friendly interfaces have come into existence since my last attempt into Linux.
Most of these are valid, but...
>A bunch of very user friendly distributions exist.
If you had read further, that was literally the entire problem.
It's option overload.
>Some of them are so user friendly you probably have used them without realizing what they were.
I'm aware of what Android is.
>I'm glad some more user friendly interfaces have come into existence since my last attempt into Linux.
Was that in 1993? Its been that way in Gnome and KDE as long as I can remember, and I started using GNU/Linux based OSes around the time of KDE 1.
>It's option overload.
So just buy a Chromebook. Or a SteamDeck.
Those are really your two choices for totally brain dead GNU/Linux devices today.
>I'm aware of what Android is.
There's a lot more of them than just Android/Linux. Just about any of the single-purpose OSes, like for creating a retro console are GNU/Linux underneath.
>boomer synapses became too rigid to adapt to change
Very sad.
>Windows also displays the name of the drive BEFORE the letterspace
So they finally caught on to where we were on UNIX based OSes 50 years ago.
>you can create shortcuts by simply right clicking and creating.
You know they ripped off the symlink concept from UNIX too right?
These things you think are cool unique features, we've had forever.
I bet you think that the "new" virtual desktop feature is really cool too right?
>So they finally caught on to where we were on UNIX based OSes 50 years ago.
This was a thing since the early days of Windows 3.x at the latest. Probably earlier but it's been so long.
Also, no. Unix did not have that. There's a reason Unix was going out of style 30 years ago in the professional world.
All Linux did was rescued Unix for servers.
>You know they ripped off the symlink concept from UNIX too right?
Wow it's almost like CP/M had these too to be a lighter clone of Unix, and DOS is a more basic clone of CP/M. It's even like Windows started as a DOS desktop environment, and would inherit all of the neat DOS features.
>These things you think are cool unique features, we've had forever.
No. I'm not daft. I know that Linux, being a very interchangeable kernel with thousands of hipster hobbyist programmers wanting to add neat features, would have a bunch of features that don't appeal to me but are neat.
>I bet you think that the "new" virtual desktop feature is really cool too right?
No, it really isn't. It's moronic.
>No, it really isn't. It's moronic.
The way its implemented on Windows perhaps, but there's its an afterthought.
>and DOS is a more basic clone of CP/M. It's even like Windows started as a DOS desktop environment
To be clear, the way DOS handled links is in no way similar to how symlinks work on UNIX based environments. On those legacy systems its a kludge while on UNIX its just a basic feature of the design.
Also modern Windows is in no way derived from DOS. NT is a VMS clone.
>This was a thing since the early days of Windows 3.x at the latest.
Not to my memory. Maybe its something I've forgotten but I can never recall Windows ever being able to put a disk drive at any arbitrary location.
>symlinks
Yeah, but to the user, it doesn't matter, and hardlinks more or less work the same to programs as the Unix ones. It doesn't matter operationally, even if it's true.
>The way its implemented on Windows perhaps, but there's its an afterthought.
Oh, just like how they stole actual Linux code for Windows 11's taskbar.
Why are you caring about ported features when they straight up ripped out actual Linux work that was stored on Github?
>Also modern Windows is in no way derived from DOS.
I am aware that we are not living in the Windows 9x era, however you can operate Windows 95 with very little effort if you know how to operate Windows 10, and vice versa. This means that many DOS-isms are still supported by modern Windows as a result.
32 bit Windows even comes with NTVDM, which is a literal DOS virtual machine.
>NT is a VMS clone.
VMS? I don't know what that is. That's a new term.
I will tell you OS/2, which the NT kernel is derived from, is NOT a VMS clone.
>Not to my memory. Maybe its something I've forgotten but I can never recall Windows ever being able to put a disk drive at any arbitrary location.
Shortcuts have been a thing since the DOS era, but ignoring that for a second, there's a miscommunication here.
Me saying Windows has done this for ages is in reference to
>Windows also displays the name of the drive BEFORE the letterspace
Not symlinks.
SteamOS is Linux based.
>20 year old is too stubborn for linuxgays to accept
None of those I got to try before I had to give up on Linux because I received literally hundreds of suggestions. There's only so much I can do.
Can I also say that someone genuinely suggested I should do Gentoo as my first distro when I became mildly interested due to rumored KSP performance increases.
>VMS? I don't know what that is. That's a new term.
VMS was DEC's OS on their hardware. NT was created by people Microsoft hired from DEC, and is derived from its design.
NT wasn't actually based on OS/2 at all, but I can see how that perception might happen when at one point Microsoft and IBM were collaborating on it and there are some design similarities.
>they straight up ripped out actual Linux work that was stored on Github?
As long as they didn't violate the license there's absolutely no problem with them doing that.
Honestly, its good that Microsoft has finally come to terms with how shit their 'not invented here' philosophy has made their platform.
They just need to go the rest of the way and admit maintaining NT gains them nothing in the modern era other than more expense.
So don't mount your drives as /mnt/UUID?
Nothing stopping you from creating your own mount points named whatever you want them to be.
I often just mount them as as /home/username/thing on the drive.
Way better than having to remember WTF e: or f: are.
Cool, you do you.
I on the other hand absolutely despise how Windows works, which is why I use Linux despite knowing I have to give up a few games for it, it's still a worthwhile trade.
I'd assume most Linux users are the same.
I would bet so. I know that at least two of my friends hate Windows because it makes programming a pain in the ass. I agree with them, but for me it's not worth dualbooting and learning a whole new system.
I've also been incredibly lucky with Windows. My friends seem to suffer problems constantly, my PC runs like a well lubricated machine. I get maybe one problem from Windows a month, compared to the cacophony that happens from my friend's computers whenever they try that.
>my PC runs like a well lubricated machine
>I get maybe one problem from Windows a month
Once a month is pretty good considering I leave it on basically 24/7, and it's always something minor, like explorer.exe dying for a minute and then recovering itself.
Oh alright, if you meant minor issues that at most require a reboot then it's reasonable. I was thinking of stuff that actually requires intervention.
Oh no. I don't even need to reboot my computer most of the time.
I think the worst was the inexplicable time Windows forgot where it was when booting from hibernation, panicked, blue screened, and then after a couple of restarts, it figured out what the hell it was doing and started working again. That was years ago though.
Honestly, the most prevalent complaint I have about Windows 10, other than its user interface and aesthetics, is that it can boot itself from hibernation mode without me pressing the power button.
That's NOT hibernation mode, and also I've lost work before because it does that for updates.
frick off linux gays
you can only play irrelevant indie / old games and still have issues.
like what the flying frick is this shit >626074736 ... this is not GAMING.
jannies must be linuxgays as well because they let these threads roll while Windows threads are deleted.
>indie / old games
Good.
>and still have issues
No, not really.
>like what the flying frick is this shit >626074736
A popular indie game.
anon, what distro is this? Pop_OS or Ubuntu? That color palette looks really clean.
weird because I can play doom eternal and tiny tina's wonderlands just fine on my computer
must be a bug I guess I'll have to report it to the weirdos who just happen to make linux mint
>this is not GAMING.
sorry, is gaming having mom bring you her credit card to buy the new battle pass?
clearly it's buying destiny 2 expansions over and over again after the old ones being stolen and cosmetics
How does Proton work exactly? Will be i able to play Bioshock remastered on linux through it if it crashes for me on windows?
>linux
>gaming
pick one
I picked both.
You can't. Only one.
I did pick both though. Cope, seethe, etc.
I can play games that windows cannot even play
sorry you cannot play fortnite timmy
This image makes the troonix gays seethe
>paying for Windows
...?
>linuxgays are poor
makes sense.
Who pays for Windows?
I only did because my father imposed moralism on me. I regret every fricking dollar I spent for Windows 10, I have a massive distaste for the OS that would've been easier to swallow had I not paid for it.
Your father is based then. Shame his son is a homosexual troony.
>only homosexuals dont spend their hard earned money on goyslop!!
moron
>i'm a Black person and stealing is normal for me
>stealing goyslop is bad
israelite detected
it does?
I don't really feel mad at you. I just feel disappointment. Like when a dad sees his gay son come home with a positive HIV test. It's hard to be mad at him for being the person he is but I wouldn't exactly say the feeling is happy either.
it's your privacy, enjoy the botnets up your ass i guess? lol
>muh botnet
schizo moron lmao.
nobody cares about your homosexual furry troony shit
i pity your naivety
>use windows
>get buttfricked but you can play games atleast
>use linux
>no games
I mean, just don't have anything you don't want shared on that Windows PC. At least I can still game.
Stop responding to low effort pajeet posts, moron, you're literally giving them money
>50 years later...
>I'm sure glad no one saw my furry troony porn back in 2023
>Dies
Ok.
>Gay, fat and ugly penguin vs Cute anime waifus as mascots
No wonder troonix users are always so upset lmao.
i don't have incurable syphilis
>Valve is currently forcing game developers to make Steam Deck EXCLUSIVES
>Even if you have an up to date troonix machine you have to tweak it even more to pretend your machine is a Steam Deck, otherwise it won't run
LAUGH AT TROONIX gayS HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! TRULY IS THE FREEDOM OF FREEDOMS AM I RIGHT? LMAO
This is the future of Linux. They will eventually have to side with the trannies working at Valve in order to even get the game running at all.
Tux says YES to trans rights
>Greedy company gets paid to make windows exclusive games.
>Gaben slaps their shit.
>Company tries to make it stop working on linux machines anyway.
>Linux desktop can just spoof Steam Deck environment to run the game anyway.
Explain to me how this is a problem. Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
>Gaben slaps their shit.
More like Gaben payed for them to make it not run on Linux
>Isn't forspoken supposed to be shit anyway?
Who cares, you seriously think this is a one time only thing? This was a test, it might be easy to spoof, but it's still an extra unnecessary step, next time it will be harder and more annoying to do it.
>More like Gaben payed for them to make it not run on Linux
. . . The SteamDeck uses Linux, I don't know why he would pay to backfire his own company.
Gaben wants to become the Bill Gates of linux. Simple as.
>The SteamDeck uses Linux
The Steamdeck uses SteamOS
SteamOS is a GNU/Linux distro. They are not separate.
>Citation needed
That isn't even what happened. The devs tested the game on the Deck, saw it didn't work so they added a Deck-specific workaround that's only done if the game detects it's being run on a Deck.
Soon after that, people noticed Deck was the only Linux system it worked on so they started spoofing a Deck environment to play it.
Just a bit later, Valve added a patch that automatically spoofs any Linux system to look like a Deck for this specific game to make it work on all systems.
>My bad guys .. hehe. won't happen again :^)
I'm real dumb for not knowing the full story then. This is basically the devs fault for being lazy and not actually fixing the issue though.
The game is a broken mess in both Windows and Linux, it's not them being lazy in the Linux side but on the development side period.
I know you're just pretending, but this is for everyone else who might fall for it:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6474#issuecomment-1403210754
https://steamdb.info/app/891390/history/?changeid=17495330
The game's developer made the game check for Steam Deck. Valve then configured Steam Play to apply the Steam Deck flag on all Linux systems to work around it.
Anon is claiming the literal opposite of what happened because he thinks he's an epic troll.
Sure sounds like a lot of problems for a "just werks" machine. Imagine the idiots spending hours trying to figure out why the game won't load, lmao. Linux is the OS for the people who like to waste their time.
>changing the subject
holy cope
The same sort of back and forth shit goes on all the time with devs who have to interact with Microsoft's legacy compatibility layer.
You just don't get to see it because its not public the way Proton is.
There's tons of spaghetti code to get things to run optimally. That was the whole reason the 'quack.exe' shit happened.
can you elaborate on quack.exe
>use Windows
>everything works
>use Linux
>nothing works
i haven't logged into my windows partition in over half a year
>troonix
I'm not
Not to start a distro war, but what drove you to Ubuntu? I've been hopping between Fedora and Suse a bit, might give Ubuntu a try if convinced enough.
I've used it since ubuntu 12.04 when tf2 first got linux support. Just never looked back at windows and have never cared to try other distros.
Technically I'm running Kubuntu, but neofetch is being weird for some reason.
Yeah iirc Ubuntu was the Valve-backed OS along with GNOME being the preferred DE. I find it weird they switched to Arch and KDE.
Even now if you run Steam from the command line in most OS' s you can see it complain that it's missing some Ubuntu files.
>I find it weird they switched to Arch and KDE
Canonical is not a nice company to work with. By contrast they can do literally whatever they want with Arch.
Canonical only does what's good for Ubuntu. Which makes it a "just works" distro, but it's not so good for people trying to make a distro dedicated for gaming.
How isn't a gaming distro not good for Ubuntu? It's not like Valve was gonna distribute anyways, they still haven't released an official SteamOS iso.
You would think Ubuntu would want to show everyone they're good for gaming, expanding their ecosystem.
I mean it is "good" for gaming. It's just people who play games are more likely to upgrade their hardware often. Most hardware stuff runs through the kernel so you'd need one that's always up to date. My machine is only linux 5.15, but the the most recent version is 6.0 I think.
5.15 isn't a problem for me since I'm just running it as a desktop to play oldish games.
>but the the most recent version is 6.0 I think.
I'm currently on 6.1.8 but not sure if that's the newest either.
Sorry for using this as an example but this is a good example of user unfriendliness. If two Linux users can't keep track of what version is the newest, then how the frick are beginners supposed to figure out things like that.
>two guys being too lazy to google the latest news means it's unknowable
epic
You shouldn't need a website to see if it's the latest. That should be a feature in the OS.
>showing the version number of the latest bleeding-edge kernel should be a feature of a stable distribution which deliberately stays on an older version of the kernel
uh, no
You shouldn't need to look it up. Ubuntu is meant to be stable, so it stays on tested stable kernels. Only bleeding edge distros go for the newest kernels, usually tested less.
It literally takes a google search. 99% of my time on my computer isn't spent doing anything kernel related. You don't even need the newest stable version unless you have parts that released yesterday anyway.
Every streamer shilling rtx 3090s would be able to run any recent distro no problem
Not even their devs agree which feature to use, that's why they fork everything and anything they don't agree with and why you have a million distros, each doing their own thing.
kernel.org
Most users should not manually upgrade the kernel and just stick with what their distro provides.
You're on the most recent stable version. I'm on some lts version of the kernel.
uhhh, video games?
jannies where u at?
I posted a video game.
Not my fault everyone else wants to argue about what file paths mounted drives should have.
>video game
A very loose definition there anon.
cope
Because nvidia drivers on linux are a fricking nightmare and my AMD machine is broke.
ok, so what's the best distro for gaming/browsing the web/have some media servers like plex or jellyfinn running on it and and watching said media in?
I would say the ones not for hobbyists unironically. Arch can and will break most times or it might come with defaults you don't like, or you might not even know how to set it up or look up how to set it up.
Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu would be at the top for me, in no particular order. They all have sane defaults that will most likely be to your liking.
aight, thanks bro
I'll look into it
>troonix
time to dial8 homosexuals.
I have an Nvidia card, and I'm waiting for the kinks to get worked out with the 7000 series gpus before upgrading/trying linux
which nvidia card?
A 1070ti
ah, think some people experience issues with vulkan on that series unfortunately
Yeah, thats why I'm waiting for an upgrade to give linux a shot. Probably gonna go with Nobara once I do
Ganker may be the board with the highest amount of Winjeet seething, it's very peculiar.
hello sir
I have an unusually strong urge to buy a Linux laptop and I don't really know why, my current desktop and laptop serve me just fine.
Just install your distro of choice on the laptop.
Though system76 makes so pretty nice looking laptops.
are they not just clevos?
I'm not, you can thank endeavourOS for that because whenever i tried switching to linux in the past I tried ubuntu and always switched back to windows after a few days
Now I'm a year and a half clean, don't even dual boot because I have 0 need for windows
yeah i think i'm going to play video games on linux
moshi moshi keiji-san? hai, disu wan.
Because i am too lazy to learn bash.
I couldn't get Chrome to work so I just gave up lol
gave up on Chrome?
Yeah and Battlefield 2042 doesn't work either so I just went back to Windows 11.
I just want a simple OS that works.
I don't want a whole bunch of options I'll never mess with.
I don't want a bunch of customization, my wallpaper is all the customization I need.
I don't care about transparency.
I don't care about "Sticking it to the man"
I just wanna game.
>A simple OS that just works
you're really doing a poor job of describing windows if that's your attempt
because windows does not work at all
it crashes when ever it feels like
>it crashes when ever it feels like
Only because you ran a random debloat script and then wonder why shit breaks.
>it's because you did x
nope but also that's a piss poor excuse for a operating system that's owned by a billion dollar corporation that's funded by the government
Works on my machine Linux chud.
Imagine being filtered by Windows.
Because it just works
Convenience.
I use my computer to browse the internet and play videogames. Until it can't do either of those two things I do not consider changing it. I bought it in a store in 2014, since I got it I have changed the graphics card once (2 years ago when Doom Eternal came out) and installed windows 10 on it (last year because a game I wanted to play with friends didn't work on windows 7).
I know I can install the OS to an SSD, I know I should delete the programs I downloaded near a decade ago but the computer still does what I want it to do so I don't care to change it.
I'm not an enthusiast, now could I be considered a hobbyist. As a result, Linux simply isn't for me.
>now could I be considered a hobbyist
I meant 'nor' could I be considered a hobbyist. oops.
Because most of my games and software aren't supported on Linux.
That's false, unless you have one game installed and it happens to be Fortnite.
>that's false
Frick off you little shit.
Unless you can prove otherwise.
Battlefield 4 (yes this works but it stutters)
Battlefield 2042
Gundam Evolution
CS:S / CS:GO community servers (stutters whenever a new chunk of the map loads in)
Photoshop / Premiere Pro
Sony Vegas
NVIDIA Shadowplay
NVIDIA control panel shit (sharpening + GSync / V-Sync / ULLM)
FanControl (I don't know if this works on Linux)
Don't worry it's a VM. Some old games just don't work with Proton
I stopped using windows in 2018 and never looked back.
It's not for everyone, but anyone that wants to learn more about their OS should switch.
Three things, mainly
Anti-cheat.
Shift JIS support.
Discord audio screenshare (my circle of oldgay friends use it for movie nights)
just reinstalled windows was trying out debian sid for gaming and it was fine no hiccups besides not auto downloading wine with steam or proton which surprised me. reinstalled windows for games I couldnt play on linux.
More games are supported on windows, that is the only reason.
how do you quantify that?
There are more games that I want to personally play that are on windows, that is how. I'd love to be proven wrong though, my chosen genre is boomer shooter.
no, I'm not
and nouveau drivers are fricking SHIT
I don't feel like reading multiple and often outdated guides for every error I get.