Any reason why Shu didn't win, when they had both fricking pang tong and kongming??

Any reason why Shu didn't win, when they had both fricking pang tong and kongming??

As well as the God of War and Zhao Yun

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sima Yi is literally the only reason why Wei survived since he was a fricking boss mother fricker.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >why Wei survived
      >Sima Yi
      >Sima is the one who killed Wei
      ???

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        correct
        he made sure Wei survived long enough for Sima to kill it themselves

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because rotk is revisionist history and the sun family was more likely to win than liu gay was

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they had aces and a solid backstory but liu bei is just too much of a pansy hypocrite

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    PT got murked
    Zhuge Liang was a great strategist but China is a big place and a great mind can't be everywhere at once.
    Zhao Yun was loyal to a fault.
    Guan Yu was an incredible warrior, and developed a massive ego. Said ego led to his death.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't his ego. Sun Quan was gonna attack him no matter what. He couldnt beat zhang liao and was envious of liu bei, he wanted all of the territory in south middle china liu bei had. By that point liu bei had already given him iirc chang sha, ling ling, and jiang xa to placate him, but he wanted it all.
      >they promised him
      thats just a novel thing, they gave him the city of jiang ling cause he was surrounded by him after he took the 4 southern prefectures, there was no loan. Wu made it up to seem like less of a traitor. Why would liu bei ever promise all his territory for one city? Makes no sense. Wu gave it to him cause all he could attack atm was them and they wanted a united front. Sun Quan was the worst thing to happen to shu, sun ce's kid should have inherited or sun ce should have lived.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sun Ce was murderous bastard and that attitude is what got him killed. Whole Sun family were treacherous bastards I mean for fricks sake most of the generals in Wu were either pirates or from outlining areas that were not technically China.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          But sun ce was competent. He knew how to lead and to fight. Sun Quan couldn't do shit, all he could do was trust good advisors and frick up campaigns. He nearly got zhou tai killed with his shenanigans and killed lu xun because lu xun questioned his decision of selecting his heir as the non-eldest which would cause a succession crisis, not to mention all the others he executed when he started going crazy.

          It wasn't his ego. Sun Quan was gonna attack him no matter what. He couldnt beat zhang liao and was envious of liu bei, he wanted all of the territory in south middle china liu bei had. By that point liu bei had already given him iirc chang sha, ling ling, and jiang xa to placate him, but he wanted it all.
          >they promised him
          thats just a novel thing, they gave him the city of jiang ling cause he was surrounded by him after he took the 4 southern prefectures, there was no loan. Wu made it up to seem like less of a traitor. Why would liu bei ever promise all his territory for one city? Makes no sense. Wu gave it to him cause all he could attack atm was them and they wanted a united front. Sun Quan was the worst thing to happen to shu, sun ce's kid should have inherited or sun ce should have lived.

          >worst thing to happen to shu
          meant to say he was the worst thing to happen to wu.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I would say Quan and his cronies probably behind Ce's assassination as well, they never get along historically.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    All of their generals just fricking die during their campagin. Rip my homie pang tong.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Are any of the rotk games fun? Having played DW and watched the tv series, having control over the strategies and conquering and shit sounds appealing but I fear that the games are more about RNG and farming materials and shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They're difficult to get into, and once you managed to understand the mechanics, the game devolved into a map painter, which is kind of boring.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it rained

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick you you dumb fricking moron

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    bam bam a chiki chiki bam bam

    oh wait wrong board

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That show works as Dynasty Warriors sequel/spin off like you wouldn't believe.
      Zhuge in it is exact same he's in video games.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry i only watch it for the rapping

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Absolutely disgusting
          Kabe rapping was the worst part

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            it's not fun if you take the bait 2 hours later

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I dropped it when Zhuge Liang shaked hands with a Black person! Disgusting!

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Guan Yu was killed by his own hubris
    Zhang Fei by his stupidity and malice
    Liu Bei is a hypocrite
    Shu a shit

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wei was as big as the other two combined, Cao Cao winning the north off Yuan Shao was the biggest upset of the era
    Without Jing Shu is a mountainous shithole, Zhuge Liang and later Jiang Wei was in a lose-lose situation where either they burned away resources in offensive campaigns for a foothold down there, or held out and got conquered eventually by a bigger faction
    Also Wei guys were more competent than RoTK makes them out to be

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That is because Cao Cao believed in merit not nobility and routinely promoted commoners of talent and that merit based promotion system is also what Sima Yi used and is why you get a guy like Deng Ai who was a very minor low ranking son of some official in bum frick nowhere who also suffered from a stutter but also was a fricking chad and solo'd all of Shu himself.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it's also what got the cao family usurped from china by the sima family, which led into the 7 princes rebellion, which weakened china to the point where they were conquered by the barbarians to the north for the next few centuries.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The thing about Wei/Jin was they love trading more than waging war thus they won the war, Shoe and Who were all about waging war.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Mandate of Heaven found the Han wanting, and Shu failed to read the Heaven's Will.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    japanese Sima Yi

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like a brat who would fall for the schemes of Zhuge Liang

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    RoTK books are propaganda

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Everything that comes out of China is propaganda.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Does not matter i love cao cao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The show really does fall off after he dies

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed but Sima Yi carried it pretty well to the end.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, unfortunately though this is when the whole ‘three kingdoms’ thing just turns into a wet fart in general, most of the real big personalities are dead and gone and nobody really makes any major advances.
            Just Sima Yi and his funky laugh.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >not posting the og cao cao

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Zhuge Liang wasn't as great a tacitian in reality as he is claimed to be, he was more of a statesman and politician, which is why his northern campaigns went so shit. Liu Bei was actually a better commander than they portray, which makes sense since he was doing it for decades all throughout china, but some of his accomplishments are downplayed and given to others to make his men seem better. Pang tong died in iirc the battles for jiang ling territory, so he was only with liu bei a bit, a stray arrow got him cause he tried to lead an offensive to gain glory. If he'd lived he'd likely have been a great strategist for liu bei for war. His main strategy guy was a dude he got after taking liu zhangs territory in shu. Fi Zheng I think, can't remember his name.

    Also, after liu bei won at han zhong and beat cao cao on that side, sun quan betrayed liu bei, again, and killed guan yu for jiang ling territory, because sun quan kept getting his ass kicked by zhang liao at he fei, north of wu territory, and was envious of liu beis success. Wu made the three kingdoms by allying with liu bei and beating cao cao at red cliffs, and then ended it with their betrayal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Zhuge Liang was more than just a statesman and politician he was a multifaceted guy and he is credited historically for creating the weather balloon which is how he predicted the wind changes in Chi Bi.
      But he is one guy and the thing that fricked Shu into the ground was that in 1 year the nation lost Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Liu Bei.
      Then Zhuge Liang put his faith in Ma Su as a skilled tactician and wanted to promote him up but Ma Su fricked up so hard that Zhuge Liang had to have him executed for disobeying orders and fricking up so hard their northern campaign got fricked. Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang then sat there for years and both could not make headway against each other and in the end stress and time killed Zhuge Liang and at that point the nation had lost all of its big hitters and so was fricked.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't his ego. Sun Quan was gonna attack him no matter what. He couldnt beat zhang liao and was envious of liu bei, he wanted all of the territory in south middle china liu bei had. By that point liu bei had already given him iirc chang sha, ling ling, and jiang xa to placate him, but he wanted it all.
      >they promised him
      thats just a novel thing, they gave him the city of jiang ling cause he was surrounded by him after he took the 4 southern prefectures, there was no loan. Wu made it up to seem like less of a traitor. Why would liu bei ever promise all his territory for one city? Makes no sense. Wu gave it to him cause all he could attack atm was them and they wanted a united front. Sun Quan was the worst thing to happen to shu, sun ce's kid should have inherited or sun ce should have lived.

      People like to rag on Shu because they were the protags of the novel, but Wu deserved more hate too. I'm happy to see it.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We're gonna wreck the baby-kicking fricker and his Shoe follower soon

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I see Ganker discuss three kingdoms, everything you say I visualize as the koihime characters, so it's really amusing when you shit all over Sun Quan.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >The esteemed Yuan Shao my

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    E I G H T
    P R I N C E S

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Wu even exist?

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    IT'S YA BOI

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wei had actually good generals. Not ones jerked off by the novels.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hey homosexuals, I've always wanted to learn more about the three kingdoms but I've never looked into it.
    What are the ideal vydia/movies/series to learn more about it?
    With the little I know, Lu Bu sounds based.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dynasty Warriors 7 & 8 are a good start. There's also the Romance of the Three Kingdoms anime series, which you can watch at YouTube for free. It ends at the Battle of Chibi, but it's a good start.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ty for replying, I didn't even thought about DW because I've always believed it was a PlayStation exclusive. What the frick. Did it used to be?
        I fricking loved the 3ds DW clone with link, forgot it's name (it ran like shit so I gave up).
        >Anime
        I think there's one called "Kingdom", have you watched it?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Romance has plenty of translations and a pretty fun read overall.
      For the actual history of the era, you can either read Records which can be somewhat dry or the various articles that outline the exaggeration/changes Romance does
      And well, dynasty warrior

      Ty for replying, I didn't even thought about DW because I've always believed it was a PlayStation exclusive. What the frick. Did it used to be?
      I fricking loved the 3ds DW clone with link, forgot it's name (it ran like shit so I gave up).
      >Anime
      I think there's one called "Kingdom", have you watched it?

      Kingdom is about a different era, almost 500 years before the three kingdoms period

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dynasty Warriors 7 & 8 are a good start. There's also the Romance of the Three Kingdoms anime series, which you can watch at YouTube for free. It ends at the Battle of Chibi, but it's a good start.

      theres a literal entire series on youtube based around the three kingdoms era, from the yellow turbans to the end of shu iirc. Its where the cao cao memes come from, like this one.

      I would say Quan and his cronies probably behind Ce's assassination as well, they never get along historically.

      All I know is Quan fricked up so much, was already half crazy in his prime and completely fricked everything up at the end due to his actions.

      [...]
      People like to rag on Shu because they were the protags of the novel, but Wu deserved more hate too. I'm happy to see it.

      Its mostly just quan I dislike, but yea, its usually shu or cao cao getting the shit stick

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >theres a literal entire series on youtube
        thanks for mentioning it's name bro

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Three Kingdoms 2010. It's also on nyaa.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ROTK 2010 drama is very enjoyable for newcomers, but takes many liberties with the source material. 3kingdomspodcast covers the whole story with context explanations in a digestible format. Advanced ROTK enjoyers will appreciate Serious Trivia Let's Talk Lore on Youtube, or Gentlemen of the Han's ongoing translation/remaster of the 1994 drama

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The 2010 drama wasn't trying to be an adaptation of the Han-bias RotK novel, that's why its title is "Just Three Kingdoms". A more faithful recreation of the romanticized novel was the campy 1994 one.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          wtf is that real?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It absolutely is an adaptation of the novel, seeing as the majority of the made-up feats like Guan Yu's crossing of the gates or Zhuge Liang the weatherman are there. However, there they put a modern twist on it that makes Cao Cao seem like less of a bastard than he was.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's a mix of fiction and the records, and definitely NOT intended to recreate the novel 1:1. Of the made-up waifus like Sun Shang Xiang, only Diao Chan is there. Plus it's missing the entire silly Vienam War arc.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              It's not a 1:1 recreation, but it's HEAVILY influenced by the Romance over actual history. They do take a more realistic take where many characters that are previously used as foils or plot devices have more depth. And Sun Shang Xiang the waifu is in the show. She's the one that marries Liu Bei. She is also historical. It was recorded that Liu Bei was always wary of leaving his base of power, as he was afraid than Lady Sun (who kept trained and armed handmaids) would stir up trouble at home.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Lady Sun being a sister of Sun Quan is historical but the name "Shang Xiang" and much of her image is fictional, which is why the 2010 one doesn't use that name and spends less time with her.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The Shang Xiang of the show most likely favours her fictional counterpart, as they show her as more than match for Liu Bei in their wedding duel. This is a trait that is echoed in many opera performances whereas it was never recorded (afaik) that Lady Sun had any talent in martial arts.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, I think you're lacking the perspective of the more faithful depictions of the novel that do the full monty complete with the sex scene in the webm.

                The 2010 version is as far removed from the novel as they can go because if they were to make it fully historical, Lady Sun would just be a background mannequin since there's barely any records of the women of the times.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I'm currently rewatching the remastered 1994 by Gentlemen of the Han, but I did watch it in my youth. Even so I still think the 2010 series is firmly rooted in the Romance. There are too many of the well-known fictional moments, albeit more portrayed in a more modern way, for me to say otherwise. Conversely I struggle to think of a single strictly historical scene in that show. Though I will admit that they drop a lot of the beauty and double-meanings of the source material in favour of a more "hollywood" type of feel. In that sense it can be considered "unfaithful". However, I think a beginner to RoTK (especially those that can't understand Chinese) would more easily understand the essentials through 2010 than the 1994 drama.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      there's a three kingdoms manga that faithfully creates all the scenes from the book, well worth a read if you need pictures.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >With the little I know, Lu Bu sounds based.
      well then prepared to be disappointed because he dies off early

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He is mega based. Just look at him go.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >They reference DW7 and DW8XL intros and plus much more in a single fight
        Jank kino

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I really could have done without all the jump cuts though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why is Lu Bu dodging? Shouldn't he have million of HP and one shot everyone he touches?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Play DW8XL if you want two boss Lu Bu routes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lu bu is a cuck, gets adopted by three old men three times, betrays everyone of them
      his girl, diao chan, gets fricked by dong zuo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yokoyama manga, 2010 live action, Dynasty Warriors game or four volume book

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    When Down Syndrome King Liu Chan took over
    Revenge for getting piledrive'd by Daddio

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    okay mutt go show your military superiority to a vietnamese rice farmer
    oh wait you lost to them
    lol

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Keep seething zhang
      Century of humiliation was because the Chinese were weak and incompetent
      All the way down to the three kingdoms shit, the Chinese love posturing about how skilled and mighty they are, but it all falls through

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Unlike the average American, who proudly sharts himself in the rifle isle on wallmart.
        Have you prayed to St. G. Floyd today? A strong, competent, skilled and mighty American man. The hero of your nation, the one who stands against oppression.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >can't even take over an island
      go and pray to your daddy xi. Are you still seething about Nancy pelsi going to your little island

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Whoever controls the central plains wins. It happened countless times, historically. The only reason the period went on for so long was because Shu was located in a mountainous area that was notoriously easy to defend and hard to invade and Wu was protected by the Yangtze river, while also being the stongest naval power in China, making their land easy to defend and hard to invade also. On top of that if Wei attacked Shu then Wu would attack them at the same time and if Wei attacked Wu then Shu would make a move, so there was a large stalemate up until Shu and Wu became completely incompetent. Once Wei didn't have to worry about Wu attacking them they immediately invaded and conquered Shu, who wasted all their time and energy on failed invasions. Once Sun Quan FINALLY died Wu had dangerously incompetant leadership and were easily crushed.

    Shu are also wanked beyond belief when it comes to how capable they were. Zhuge Liang was largely a minister and not some crazy battle strategist. Guan Yu is the most overhyped person of the period. 80% of his accomplishments were someone elses (Killing Hua Xiong, Sun Jian actually did that) or killing someone like Yan Liang/Wen Chou (He didn't beat them in a duel, he just rode up behind them really fast when they weren't expecting it and killed them when they were unaware.). He's also a complete moron who sealed Shu's fate by continuing to allow raids on Wu territory and refusing to return Jing when Wu were their allies, they had promised to return Jing and both needed each other to stand a chance against Wei.

    Finally, Wei were just the GOAT. Cao Cao was the man of the era and the amount of talent they had was unreal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shuō dé hǎo anon.
      Also Han Xin is twice the strategist Zhuge Liang was, but he never seems to get any love.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    In order to be competent, they need to create their own stuff not just copying others all the time, creativity is very important.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >be Kong ming
    >center your strategy in fire, no back up or contingencies
    >it rains
    >seethe so much that it fricks up your health
    So much for best strategist ever

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wei had the Silk road
    Wu had the trade with SEA
    Shu had nothing.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >attempt to backstab allies no sooner than you make them an ally
    >fail and get yourself killed
    lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He was the one got his ass stabbed by Quan though?

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wars are won by fundamentals, and the fundamental of "our state's territory is a prosperous river valley instead of a mountanious shithole" is the biggest one of them all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much, Shu has a real shitty territory, true it was hard to invade but it was also hard to make a living there.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    SEX. SEX WITH EIKO.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the yellow turbans did nothing wrong

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My homie Koumei !

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      MAH BOI

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    hot take #1: if Guo Jia didn't catch the flu Cao Cao would have steam rolled the rest of China before the Three Kingdoms even emerged

    hot take #2: Dynasty Tactics has the best character designs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Both true. Tactics Lu Bu was his GOAT design. Loved that you could unlock it in 3.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      True, Guo Jia's death was a huge blow to Wei and it show.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact: many officers told Cao Cao not to go for Red Cliff. Cao Cao blamed the defeat on missing Guo Jia only because he knew he is in fault

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    qrd on romance of the three kingdoms? who's the good guy and who's the bad guy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they are Chinese
      so they are all the bad guys

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      out of the colors green, red and blue which do you like best?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's a tale of bros
      To preface, the Qin dynasty (Qin as in Chin, as in Chin-a, as in China) was the one who won the last round of civil wars in China, tl;dr Chinese Sparta. Hiistory of being very strong, very brutal.
      Cao Cao (who owns the Qin region) starts of as the realest homie who tries to frick up a tyrant, until he ain't and becomes tyrannical and all his bros defect to the other Kingdoms. From there, his bros take over the rest of the Chinese region (historically a ~20 minor kingdoms, only today is it really one entity because communism - expect a similar breakup as the USSR when the CCP frick up in a decade / century), until Cao Cao / Wei / Red team 'wins' the war by outlasting the rest of them and then learning from losing his bros. Pyrrhic victory anyways because everyone was tuckered out and had used everything they had trying to win, cue another few centuries of turmoil and famine where billions of chinksects die again because the Wei Empire didn't stick together.
      That said, Lu Bu (head of the Shu Crew) is usually given as the 'good guy' / protag because he had all the boss homies with him (Guan Yu the supercommander / literal god, Zhuge Liang the superstrategist etc); but all the golden-boys die about mid-way through the main war after all the cool fights (Battle of the Red Cliffs, Battle of Guan Du etc), leaving the boring conflicts to burn through the rest of the resources and frick up the Chinese region.

      The entire crux is that it's got more moving parts than a supercomputer, so tl;drs don't really work.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Liu Bei the peasant (but future emperor of Shu) is the protagonist of the first arc. His main schtick is loyalty and old school Confucian values. His struggles are juxtaposed with the realist -- yet villainous -- court official Cao Cao (future emperor of Wei) and his ascent to power. Both men seek to restore peace to the land and raise an army to do so. Meanwhile, the Sun family (future emperors of Wu) head south to carve a little slice of the land for themselves. This part of the novel focuses on the incredible martial feats of famed generals, some of which are historical.

      The second arc covers the genius of Zhuge Liang (prime minister of Shu) and how he used strategy and orator skills to defeat a militarily superior state. Lots of Sherlock Holmes/battle of the minds stuff here. The villain of this arc is Sima Yi (strategist of Wei), and his struggle to hold the line against the cunning Zhuge Liang. Both men however, are constantly hindered by corrupt court officials, showing that their newfound kingdoms are not immune to the corruption that started all the fighting to begin with.

      The final arc follows Jiang Wei, (protege of Zhuge Liang) and his hopeless struggle against rival kingdoms. This part of the novel is a tragedy, as you witness how the legacy of the heroes of the earlier arcs are ruined by corruption and incompetence. Even Jiang Wei's enemies get framed and executed. The Cao clan is usurped by the Sima clan. The Sun clan break into in-fighting. In the end, the Sima clan does manage to take it all and end the three kingdoms period.

      The main themes of the novel are loyalty, tradition vs ambition, and the rise and fall of civilization.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      shu is lawful good
      wu is fake neutral
      wei is fedora evil

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >who's the good guy
      Cao Cao
      >who's the bad guy
      Liu Bei

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ah chiki chiki bang bang

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >chitty chitty

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No of the warring kingdoms is real the only real thing about it is that there was a war

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >BAO!
    >delivers message
    >tense music
    >lord looks intensely at note
    >music intensifies
    >lord spits blood
    The Chinese sure do spit a lot of blood

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Lu Bu betraying everyone for his own gain seen as such a bad thing when pretty much everyone else were also deceitful buttholes?

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Basically
    >Guan Yu goes full moron with pride, dies
    >Zhang Fei goes full moron with alcohol, dies
    >Liu Bei goes full moron with muh oath, dies
    >Liu Bei was a terrible father so his son Ah Dou is an immensely incompetent moron, putting further stress on Zhuge Liang with burdens of the state
    >Zhao Yun and Zhuge Liang can't hold everything together, Zhao Yun dies
    >Zhuge Liang has no good men left, dies

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