Actually the best sonic game we've had in eons, and if you remove the fact Generations had nostalgia to bank off of it's the best game that's come out in nearly 20 years from Sonic Team.
It needs loves in some places but Sonic really feels at home in the overworld. The briefness of the speed stages doesn't sting as bad since they're spread across the game as well.
>Actually the best sonic game we've had in eons,
This is the equivalent of going to the toilet and calling over your roommates to say "look! Look,! This is the biggest shit I've ever made!"
I'm sorry that you're so starved for Sonic you think a barebones tech demo is 10/10 cause it has Sonic. Its Forces launch all over again. People who aren't invested in Sonic will try the game cause of the high positive user rating and then shit on it when they play it as they don't have an obsession over Sonic to cloud their judgement
>every single character at the best they've ever been >just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed >that soundtrack >those bosses >that ending
I was hoping Sonic was back, I didn't expect them to dethrone SA2
I fricking kneel Flynn-sama
single character at the best they've ever been >>just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed
You're out of your mind dude >Eggman out of character >Amy out of character >Comic lesbian OC randomly canonized >Nuclear waste pronoun politics in a kids game >Sage has access to cyberspace, which has access to everyone's memories but she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go >Emeralds retconned to be alien space mcguffins, Master Emerald still from Earth though
Writting's all over the place.
>trannies so rent free in your head you think this is about gender and not the fact eggman is ascribing life to the code he wrote up
Life must be rough.
>Eggman out of character >Amy out of character
Explain >Comic lesbian OC randomly canonized
Cope >Nuclear waste pronoun politics in a kids game
Wow Eggman goes from calling Sage an "it" when he sees her as an "AI" to "she" when he starts humanizing her and treating her as his daughter, I can't believe the liberals turned Sonic the Hedgehog into Sonic THEY/THEM Hedgehog >Sage has access to cyberspace, which has access to everyone's memories but she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go
Sage is hostile to Sonic because she was created by Eggman, she is naturally pessimistic when he faces these new threats which she knows is more than even Super Sonic can handle on his own, she quickly realizes he's their best shot when she observes him in action herself and gains new data
It's a very straightforward "robot/AI/artificial human learning to comprehend and experience human emotions like love and irrational tenacity" plotline it shouldn't be too hard to follow >Emeralds retconned to be alien space mcguffins, Master Emerald still from Earth though
Of course, the Master Emerald originally governed the Super Emeralds :^)
>Explain
Eggman is shown as a tragic and sympathetic character instead of a villain.
The way the pronoun talk is shoehorned into the game is with Eggman wondering about what Sage would like to be addressed by- even though he's not meant to ever take anyone's opinions into account besides his own.
Amy no longer prioritizes Sonic, implies on going on a journey over being with Sonic and in several points is the one wearing the pants in the relationship. >Cope
Cope. Lesbian OC character isn't part of the game. Everyone, including hardcore Sonic fans, are going "wtf" at her name being mentioned besides the /sthg/ furries. >I can't believe the liberals turned Sonic the Hedgehog into Sonic THEY/THEM Hedgehog
Yeah I can't believe Eggman is asking someone to order him how to interpret reality. >Sage is
moronic. All information about Sonic she gains through out the game she already had access at the start of the game due to cyberspace. So either she is literally moronic or there's a massive plothole.
I'm actually okay with sympathetic Eggman. SA2 ends with him being reflecting on his idealization of his Grandfather and how it might have been misplaced since Gerald tried to destroy the Earth. The thing is Eggman is still a villain in that story. He wants to rule the world, that's not a joke, that's not a gag, its his actual motivation. The dude points the Eclipse Cannon at Earth and give the ultimatum "fall in line or be destroyed." Now we know he would never destroy Earth, but he will definitely threaten it. My biggest issue with Eggman in this game is that we hardly see him, dude is barely in the game despite bring the impetus for the plot.
>My biggest issue with Eggman in this game is that we hardly see him, dude is barely in the game despite bring the impetus for the plot.
Before it was out, I was expecting Eggman to spend the whole game stuck in cyberspace trying to figure out how it worked and showing up right at the end with full control of it and Sonic having to become Cyber Sonic to fight him.
What we got was way lamer.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I wonder if its because Eggman's OG JP voice actor died. Maybe SEGA is trying to downplay the character as a sign of respect.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Idk, evidently the game despite having had nearly 5 years of dev time was somehow still rushed.
One of the Egg logs mentions there only being 3 islands instead of 5, and there some other info in the files that heavily shows the last two islands were part of Kronos.
So people have speculated they made the first island too big, didn't want to make the other islands that size so they just split the islands up to artificially increase the length of the game.
>I'm actually ok with sympathetic Eggman
Stopped reading there. Stop blindly defending this shit. Eggman was always meant to be an evil madman and Sonic was always meant to stop him. If they wanted a sympathetic villain they should have, i dunno, made a new one. They are creatively bankrupt and your defending them isn't helping.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Eggman is an evil madman but he's also a human being. The nuance is what makes him even more terrifying, knowing that someone who understands compassion still revels in terrorizing and enslaving millions.
Eh sort of...? They basically say they were brought to Earth from space by Chaos' ancestors.
Which is sort of redefining their origins, but you can also just view it as them having been taken from away from Earth for a few years before being returned. In fact, I think you HAVE to still have them originate from Earth because otherwise it opens up a plot hole of Chip and Dark Gaia having used the Emeralds to fight since the dawn of time (and this game reaffirms Unleashed as canon so you can't get around that lore)
Then why bother "revealing" that they're from space in the first place. It adds nothing meaningful to Frontiers' plot (the Ancients could have just traveled to Earth on their own after their planet was destroyed), nor does it add anything meaningful to the emeralds' origins. And that's considering the possibility that they're still actually from Earth, got carried into space somehow, and then just brought back.
Sonic Team comes up with such dumb lore. They'd be better off just leaving this kind of shit as completely ambiguous.
Could be why the Emerald's forced themselves back to Earth. Maybe the Chaos race grabbed them right after a Gaia battle, used them for some time, then the Emeralds went back to Earth for the next round.
It's still entirely vague, just that the seven regular chaos emeralds came from space, but were attracted to earth via the master emerald. There is also something that looks like a second broken master emerald on the second island, I don't think there's any explanation given for what that is. Could be a second master emerald, could be a previous master emerald that was replaced, could be something else that's broken and just happens to look like it. Chaos' relationship to the emeralds and the aliens that look like Chaos is also weird. They're from space, but Chaos seemingly isn't, but they are related with them being referred to as offshoots that had become drastically different, and Chaos is still referred to as a god. There's still mystery, the major additions to the lore here are that:
- The chaos emeralds have travelled a signficant distance through space before reaching earth, they are seemingly not native.
- The chaos emeralds weren't created by the echidnas (this was always the case, they are trying to seize them in SA1)
- The chaos aliens didn't create the emeralds either.
- The stuff on angel island that houses the emeralds was based on the remains of the much older chaos aliens stuff.
- There is at least one master emerald on earth to begin with before the aliens ever arrived, and the emeralds are related to one another.
Now you have questions like "was the master emerald also from space and arrived earlier?" and "were the emeralds from earth to begin with and went into space and the aliens unintentionally ended up returning them?" and "are the aliens an offshoot of chaos as stated in the game by eggman, or is chaos actually an offshoot of the aliens and their last survivor like knuckles is the last echidna?"
No mention of that. There's parts where Knuckles is supposed to have flashbacks to things on Angel Island where it just shows a screenshot of the Sonic 3 opening scene lol, and it happens twice. It didn't actually seem like it was what was supposed to be actually shown on screen either, because it's supposed to be him reacting to the similarites of the architecture surrounding the broken master emerald-lookalike but it doesn't actually show you what that looked like. It should've at the very least been a screenshot of Hidden Palace's emerald chamber.
Master Emerald. They outright admitted they didn't start solidifying the rules with the Chaos emeralds until Adventure and Adventure 2 still had the Master Emerald set off Doc's Emerald radar.
Considering Origins had to explain the light blue Emerald not being in Sonic 1 as it just not deciding to gather until after, I'm surprised they didn't redesign the Sonic 2 emeralds to be consistent with the rest. Original set per island lore means you see Knuckle's steal the 2 designed Emerald's from you for it to then go modern right after.
>"are the aliens an offshoot of chaos as stated in the game by eggman, or is chaos actually an offshoot of the aliens and their last survivor like knuckles is the last echidna?"
The game was implying Chao are the last of the ancients. That's why Kocos have Chao faces.
>she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go
play the game next time. she spent half the game trying to convince eggman to work with sonic based on their previous successes and outright name drops their team ups in sa2 and heroes to help her case
Do you throw tantrums over the fact that humans have been calling vehicles, vessels, and now many computer programs "she" for centuries, except for the battleship Bismarck which was referred to as "he"?
Dude, no. What the frick are you on? Frontiers music, level design, and gameplay physics are all objectively worse. This game didn't even have a fricking FINAL STAGE. Grinding in the empty open world doesn't fricking count.
Why has everyone been praising this game's OST like "Oh yeah, Sonic always has good music!" when the music has been fricking ear rape since Forces. There's not a single good track on this fricking OST outside like, 5 of them. And those five sound like shit to me, but I'll acknowledge that they're decent enough. Like holy frick, none of it is catchy - it's all generic electronic music you could find on fricking chillhop.
For example, here's the Green Forest ripoff level:
Compared to actual Green Forest:
Just, frick. And don't get me started on the actual gameplay. This whole game made me just want to play SA2 to the point where I've hooked it back up to monitor.
7/10 game though, good effort. Just, at this rate they'll never even come close to SA2's greatness.
>generic electronic music vs generic rock music
Wow anon you're a visionary! Next you'll tell me one of these came out in 2001 while the other was in 2022.
I kinda like it but it does go into EDM silliness a bit too much. Unfortunately game companies always seem to be a bit behind the times when it comes to music so I think they all think Spinnin Records shite is what everybody loves when really everybodys done with it.
It's a universal issue anon.
The game has a really bad issue with pop ins on the floating platforms and grind rails. It's not the end of the world, but pretending it doesn't exist is moronic.
Someone will make a mod to fix it anyways.
>every single character at the best they've ever been
They still do frick all besides standing around and talking to Sonic sometimes >just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed
Sage is a moronicly written character who is only getting praised because "zomg cute e-girl"
Just because there aren't as many shitty jokes doesn't mean the writing is good >that soundtrack
It's alright
The boss themes and some of the cybperspace themes are pretty good but the OST on the whole is pretty forgettable >those bosses
They're okay, the final boss being a literal rock is the most unimaginative shit in years though
I can't believe they found a way to be even less creative than repeating Colors' final boss again >that ending
What about it? "Sonic beat the bad guy but character of the week had to make a sacrifice" is practically a trope at this point. >dethrone SA2
LOL no
SA2: >has the extended cast actually doing stuff and moving the plot forward >has a significantly better soundtrack >controls far better even in the hunting/mech stages >has Eggman come off as an actual competent villain and not a moronic manchild like in Frontiers
I could go on but yeah
The Sonic fandom needs to drop this whole "waiting for a franchise savior to appear" mindset
All it does is lead them to accept more and more mediocrity
>They still do frick all besides standing around and talking to Sonic sometimes
Well to be fair they are digitized and can’t really do much but at the interactions were fun to watch every and they encourage Sonic to move forward and discover puzzles for Sonic to solve.
Your mistake was thinking SA2 was good in the first place. The only good Sonics were 2, CD, 3&K, SA1, and Mania. Generations was serviceable. Every other Sonic ranges from mediocre to outright terrible.
This game replaced Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain as my favorite open world >BoTW was meh >RDR 2's stiff gameplay ruined it for me
The characters are 100/10, the story is gritty yet goofy, and the game is straight up fun.
I've been praying to the Lord that this game is successful for the sake of the developers and their families, and I'm glad that my prayers are being answered. I'm so happy that this is the best Sonic game we've had since Generations
This motherfricker gets it.
I'm seeing a lot of COPE emenating from these joyless c**ts posts in this thread. STAY MAD Black folk SONIC IS ON TOP
I'm so happy I could shed a manly tear. Sonic is BACK
If you liked Metal Gear's Open World no wonder you like this shit. God have some fricking standards please! The open world was the worst part of MGSV everyone knows that the curated levels like OKB Zero or Guantanamo Bay are way better than Afghanistan or Africa.
You know what? Ok! You're right! I'll get some standards!
In fact, I'll enjoy the same rehash bullshit of going to a fantasy land, walking around pointlessly for the brotherhood of bullshit or whatever the frick, geting a unique sword with waxky quirks, slaying some beasts, rescuing maidens, and having >LE HARD MODE
Controls that are actually unresponsive! Yeah, THAT'LL raise my standards while I play glorified Skyrim as it's disguised as the next step in the series!
Frick your standards. They're boring. Sonic and MGSV offer variety that isn't typical Tolkien/Berserk bullshit. That's why I don't play open world, and why I'm glad I didn't spend money on Elden Ring.
Why are you bringing up games neither of us talked about? Neither of these refute the point that for a stealth game like MGSV the actual planned out locations are way better than the majority of the random checkpoints dotting Afghanistan/Africa.
Those games set most open world standards. MGSV bent them since stealth IRL is much more difficult when you can be easily seen
Don't mind him fellow sonic Chad. Have another cute Sage on the house
[...]
Also forgot to mention the love interest part which is why Sonic and Blaze have their iconic moments in Rush and Rush Adventure.
Sonic is canonically into thanks to 06 and the Rush series: >Princesses >Serious natures >Flame powers
You're a real one, man. Thank you
1 year ago
Anonymous
For you for being a true Sonic Chad and not being ashamed of liking things unironically I'll make something nice right here!
Have a Sage made by MGS Yoji Shinkawa!
(also all the signatures point to a YT with a chad dis community only shilling this once)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Another!
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is sick af, I appreciate it
Here's something cool I found online as a show of thanks
Don't mind him fellow sonic Chad. Have another cute Sage on the house
Fun well known fact that Sonic Rush and 06 were developed at the same time and Elise was SUPPOSED to be Blaze. But because of Rush releasing first and having her story be so different they had to switch from her being the main princess in 06 quickly but they all ready had the model for Blaze and she was so well received they had to stick her somewhere and that's how we got what got.
Both have: >Flame curses >Serious because of their past >Hard time making friends >Sonic opens them up >Princesses >And more similarities
Also forgot to mention the love interest part which is why Sonic and Blaze have their iconic moments in Rush and Rush Adventure.
Sonic is canonically into thanks to 06 and the Rush series: >Princesses >Serious natures >Flame powers
I don't even like Sonic, but why is this an issue to people? Why does every game have to be made for every fricking audience? If it makes the core audience happy, that's all that should matter. It's this sort of shit that got us to the point where games have absolutely no unique qualities and just riff on what's proven to be safe and successful.
You clearly like Sonic
But enough about that
Sonic has a garnered inherent hate towards it, see egoraptor and sonic has never ever recovered ever since that
Which is ironic since Ganker shits on him but parrots him, like dunkey, it's funny
Because that core audience demands that everyone else should settle with mediocre at best shit like they do. Look at this thread for example, homosexual OP acting like Frontiers is some gift from God and demanding everyone to apologize for even daring to ever (rightfully) criticize the Church of Sonic.
> no unique qualities and just riff on what's proven to be safe and successful
Sonic Frontiers literally copying BotW. They ARE playing it safe, or so they think.
It's not even an open world game. It's a series of 5 disconnected sandboxes that are linearly unlocked. They continually would go on about how it was something called 'Open Zone' and dismissing direct comparisons and people still say both things.
>Sonic will never actually improve in your lifetime because a bunch of autists praise Sega and Sonic Team for making a game that's merely mediocre instead of a trashfire for once
>My biggest issue with Eggman in this game is that we hardly see him, dude is barely in the game despite bring the impetus for the plot.
Before it was out, I was expecting Eggman to spend the whole game stuck in cyberspace trying to figure out how it worked and showing up right at the end with full control of it and Sonic having to become Cyber Sonic to fight him.
What we got was way lamer.
>What we got was way lamer.
This is what I've been saying since before the game came out all year long. Every single time without fail, whatever a Sonic fan comes up with for a new game's story or gameplay is infinitely more fun and interesting than what the actual game will end up being. Sonic Team either can't or won't commit to anything and so we're stuck with an incomplete thought. >but Ian wrote this game's story
If you think he did anything other than write dialogue and localize some concepts and ideas for Western audiences and that Sonic Team didn't write the actual scenario for the game... then I've got a Bridge Zone to sell you.
Ian's dialogue was incredibly clunky and unfitting at best. If the tradmark of his writing style is constant references with 0 substantial or meaningful dialogue I do not want him writing for another game.
Pretty much just ranacucks mad no one wants to play their ~~*we grew up*~~ California mcu-styled garabage shit.
Sonic is back on top and is winning bigly all over.
Also after generating some Elises for
This gonna sound crazy, A.I Elise? Show all the results that the A.I provides
I get now why Sonic wanted to tap that.....lucky frick
>Sega quickly abandons games that still need fixing (Sonic Team Racing, Colors Ultimate, Origins) >Sonicgays continues to defend this company because they’re desperate
I fricking hate this so much.
I'm starting to think nuSonic shiteaters deserve nothing but absolute mediocrity until the end of time after watching them unquestioningly gobble this turd up
I never thought I would ever cry to a Sonic game in my life. And I am ashamed to admit it. But frick this song is so beautiful accompanied by Eggman's tragic ending.
Reminder, everyone hates Sonicgays, not Sonic. You're the problem, not Sonic. Grow a brain, gets some taste, and play other video games for once. Then you'll realize why people want Sonic to be better, not him dead unless Sonic Team can't deliver.
this is actually worrying
what if they bring another moronic homosexual like the happy tree friends writer.
couldn't they have just stuck with ian for lorewriting? his autism is good enough for this
I like gaining speed by spinning down hills and flying off ramps, the momentum based gameplay is fun, the lack invisible walls allows for a lot of creativity. Sonic Frontiers has none of that and all your speed comes from a glorified run button and is overly restrictive. I was hoping to see less of Boost-Era on-rails gameplay not more.
https://twitter.com/vgdunkey/status/1591102377461157888
The funny internetman is about to rip this game in half
Say goodbye to your honeymoon phase that's going to be prematurely ended lmao
Ganker follows the reviews that fit the game
They disagree with God of War high reviews but agrees with Frontiers lower reviews
That's because the critics there pointed things they would do, you'd think this place would be contrarian of the Sonic 06 Low reviews for example
I think dunkey's takes are dumb as frick but normies take his word as gospel. They'll just shit on this game without ever playing it if Dunkey isn't positive in his "review."
I was going to get Xenoblade, but after Dunkey’s video, but not only will I not get it anymore, but I will also actively discourage people from getting it.
Ganker is one person I guess, huh? People will always complain about literally anything and everything, no matter what it is or how it was done, because that's what people do. This place being anonymous hides the fact it's someone different everytime, but your lizard brain doesn't really know how to innately deal with that, so here you are, making that post.
Dunkeygays are weird. They will say that his reviews are satire like when XenoCHADS start plowing Dunkeygays just as black men plow Leah. But then they will take his reviews seriously. So is it satire or not?
it's satire when they get deservedly fricked with a reality check, but when they don't they'll parrot it 100% true and undeniable like the mindless echo chamber they are
regardless of dunkey's case it should be a known fact that if you program your opinions after an eceleb's, your words are literally less than worthless
>dunkey
AhahahahahahahahahahagahahHahaha holy fricking shit lmao
Post the stupid fricking rabbit vtuber open world graph next, i love how moronic it is
How can you defend the fact that the Cyberspace levels not only aesthetically copy past zones AGAIN (With the two most overused zones to boot, Green Hill and Chemical Plant)[/spolier] but also straight up copy the fricking level design from past games?
I've seen some levels and they are straight up Green Forest from SA2 or even just Green Hill from Generations. How is that acceptable?
>play sonic frontiers >have fun >hour slips by >go into cyberspace >immediately stop having fun
There's always SOMETHING with Sonic games. How hard was it to have Sonic control the same in cyberspace as he does in the open world? >N-no, that'll completely destroy the level design! You can't do that! You'll just run over everything!
Sounds like cyberspace level design just sucks then. Some of these time trial challenges are funner A-B stages than the actual cyberspace stages.
I hate how the parry mechanic works. The game TELLS you that you need to time the button press with the enemy attack, but it isn't true at all, you just hold down the buttons. I kept getting my ass kicked by the giant bosses because I over-thought things and actually tried to use timing.
I know that now. But I feel like a moron trying to work out the "timing" for deflecting Wyvern's attack when it turns out that no timing at all is required.
It should be based on difficulty. Easy has it how it is right now in-game, meaning you could hold it down for as long as you want, normal has a timing but still simple and can be held down for a little bit after parrying once, and hard mode has a strict timing and has to be pressed everytime. That could be interesting
It's good but god damn if they wanted to reuse assets for Cyberspace they missed out by not getting ones from the Dreamcast games to make them look digital
You could draw a fricking weird as frick sonic and as long as it had semi normal looking but big feet you'd get 10k fricking likes on DeviantArt
They are so starved for content they eat literally any shit put infront of them
>?
It feels like Sonic fans are trying to go the "socially constructed reality" route, thinking that if they just defy objective reality and yell "ITS GOOD" hard enough, long enough, they can Milhouse-meme a global consensus through sheer force of denial.
Honestly it's got a higher probability of working than the probability of Sega actually making a good game, so fair play to them.
did you forget anon?
you're can't want mom*ntum anymore because... y-you just can't ok?!?!
The reason is that Sonic is not aimed at guys in their 20s who can understand and apply momentum to the gameplay, the games are aimed at kids/women and your average full-time wagie Joe who can't comprehend anything beyond pressing more than 2 buttons. That's why we get breath of le wild again, that's why sonic games will never be good or reach their full potential.
children can understand mario games yet adults can do unholy shit with the same 2 buttons
unironically skill issue on sonic team's part if they can't do the same
sonic was never good ever since the start of the 3d era
Mario games are way slower, that's why they can get away with adding a little momentum and other stuff.
Sonic is supposed to go really fricking fast and you can't have fast and momentum and freedom all at the same time because you're rising the skill floor way above the average normie moron who plays videogames nowadays and on top of that you gotta design the levels around the new and complex movement.
I really like Sonic Frontiers but there are a few criticisms I have with it >referencing past games is cool but only if it makes sense contextually (like when knuckles recognises the architecture of angel island in the ruins and it shows the sonic 3 image). There are points where the references feel like a setup for a Family Guy cutaway - "holy crap lois this is worse than the time i was at mystic ruins" >the light speed dash shouldn't kill your momentum after it ends, jumping should maintain speed as well >sonic needs a higher non-boost speed in the cyberspace levels >going through each of the platforming challenges is fun but it would have been nice to get more that mesh with the landscape rather than just floating rails >the parry should work by releasing it at the correct timing rather than just holding it down, it's ridiculously busted against most enemies
No offense, that's the generic criticism over Frontier which just means everyone agrees on the same flaws which Sonic Team should improve upon in the next game.
The questions if will they stick to it?
imo they should remove the "trick" system and just let us fricking shot sonic over ledges, yes let the players break the game with sonic's speed&momentum
I'm actually okay with ability to let Sonic do tricks mid-air. He should being doing tricks all the time he is a show off, but it shouldn't come at the expense of air control. I want to do cool air tricks while having proper momentum physics and mid-air control.
I'm actually okay with ability to let Sonic do tricks mid-air. He should being doing tricks all the time he is a show off, but it shouldn't come at the expense of air control. I want to do cool air tricks while having proper momentum physics and mid-air control.
If only someone had considered having tricks be on their own button... like in Sonic GT
Or Sonic Advance 2. Or Advance 3. Or Rush. Or Rush Adventure.
Frontiers implements tricks as a way to grind for xp, but considering how easy it is to unlock everything on the skill tree it makes you wonder why they even bothered. At least give the trick system additional traversal options like in previous games so it doesn't become completely useless before you reach the game's halfway point.
>There are points where the references feel like a setup for a Family Guy cutaway
That's the explanation I've been looking for but couldn't put into words myself.
The actual quality doesn't matter. There are plenty of good 3d sonic games, yet every time a new one comes out the cult-like sonic hatebase spams OMG THEY ALL FRICKING SUCK THIS ONE WILL TOO NOTHING NEW LOL.
Considering its a problem on all platforms regardless of hardware its either a deliberate choice or a engine limitation. To be honest is probably a mix of both.
Hopefully, but then you have the a new problem where any hope of a nice looking vista is just clouded by a frick ton of random jungle gym-esque platforms.
Considering its a problem on all platforms regardless of hardware its either a deliberate choice or a engine limitation. To be honest is probably a mix of both.
There are no lod versions of those objects popping in. Probably because the team didn't have time to create low res versions of all those objects because Sega once again rushed the game before it was ready.
Yeah the game tries to act like she's going to sacrifice herself for good at the end, with Eggman reluctantly letting her go, but couldn't Eggman easily just back her up before she left to fight the evil moon?
I feel like a decent writer would use this to try and question the ethics of Eggman basically "starting up" a clone of his dead AI daughter in a sequel, but that's probably too deep for a Sonic game.
Instead I guess the ending implies that Eggman revives a remnant of Sage that still existed in cyberspace.
>I feel like a decent writer would use this to try and question the ethics of Eggman basically "starting up" a clone of his dead AI daughter in a sequel, but that's probably too deep for a Sonic game.
Take a moment to think about why Sage is conveniently voiced by a Rei Ayanami VA in both languages.
I want to play Sonic slicing through armies inside a volcano. Not playing a 2D mario game with bad stand up for a story.
Music and environments were good, but my god what a waste.
Colours puts me to sleep. It's too easy, linear and stilted. Even going for S Ranks it's just a matter of spamming side steps and wasting time with the wisps
Secret Rings and Black Knight are abominations meant for small stupid children. Not even true Sonic games. You might as well included the Olympic and PSP games because they are just as absurd to favor over Colors.
>We are listening!
They've been saying this for two decades now. The main problem is Sonic Team's execution. Their games always sound ten times better on paper.
I don't see how given both Frontier and SV are looking to be mediocre games that have good ideas buried under a dozen questionable decisions (with performance being a sticking point in both, to boot).
Both are probably also gonna be end up praised to high heavens by the general fanbase because what's come before has largely been massive shit with a few sprinkles of good products (Mania for Sonic, Legends for Pokemon)
>Constant Adventure references >Iizuka saying he wants to make it agai >Tails, Knuckle's, and Amy suddenly banging on about wanting to explore the world solo.
Be careful Sega, whatever you call Adventure 3 can't turn into another Forces.
They should stop with this "realistic" geometry bullshit, just make the slant of mountains's actual geometry as straight as you can then let people launch of cliffs instead of making it realistic which causes model clipping or collision jank
Do people really fricking care about realistic geometry box for a gap between two small rocks if Sonic's foot doesn't fall in the said gap? Get rid of it
If it wasn't open world it wouldn't have gotten this much praise
Why are masses so in love with this concept, many popular games of the past were in small hubs
What a shock that the kind of homosexual who'd buy a Sonic game at launch and review it within a couple of days would say it's great. I'd estimate ~95% have their Sonic character OC donut steel as their Steam avatar.
Yes because now you remember years ago, people are unironically complaining about momentum. Did you forget that people were always shitting their pants that they can't precisely land sonic on platforms for some reason(which is actually his momentum slightly shooting him off) and they refuse to adapt to it? They simply abide to that to make sure sonic is """precise""" at platforming which made this feel jank
Why would they do that? We will never know
Sonic fans were bullied for years because their series is not anymore a rival to Mario
Using open world as an excuse, trying to bury the past and believing this title brought him back on top and back to being a threat to Mario, which he still isn't
The reason is because Mario has consistent good games, he never fell, rose and fell again like Sonic did
You're still not ready to face Mario
Every Sonic game is built on top of the last one.
Forces has been out for five years and had an extensive modding community despite Denuvo.
You figure it out.
it's the same engine as the previous game, Forces, so that should make it easier, no?
Bro? Literally Hedgehog engine 2? Forces Engine??
[...]
oh. that explains a lot
It's technically Unleashed's engine too. They've just building on top of it since then. Just somehow they fricked up the physics majorly along the way.
Sonic died on ith sega consoles, that's the truth sega and fans can't grasp, "mario and sonic at the olympic games" should've clues you in you are looking at a fricking zombie being puppeteered, move on and grow up homosexuals
They should use a new engine or upgrade it if they're really sticking with open-world format
The pop-ins clearly prove this engine isn't utilized for that
That wyvern boss was just pure dbz I love this. >sonic giant swinging it into a mountain >sonic grabbing it by the head and using brute force to prevent it from izuna dropping directly onto him >sonic cramming a bunch of missiles into a ball then booting it at the wyvern's head >sonic forcing it's jaws open and leading missiles into it's body
That was so kino these bosses are the best in the series.
I just found out about this from this thread. I just tried it. And holy frick, the game is a literal 10/10 with it enabled. Why in God's name didn't they ship it like this? If it's easy enough for a modder to add days after release, why the frick couldn't they do it? Playing the Adventure stages actually feels GOOD now.
I might have to fricking replay this whole game with it now. Good God.
Because Roll-lets can't deal with the speed and say it's bad they couldn't see shit while running downhill and Turnlets couldn't deal with the tight 90 degree turns of the Adventure era.
God damn I feel like they're so close to getting Sonic's movement right. In the open world he feels overall good and the precision movement during Cyloop is great. The jump and stomp could use a bit more work.
But all of this gets thrown out in Cyberspace, also why do they keep removing the drift mechanic now?
Making the 'proper' levels just a completely different feeling of gameplay is a kind of baffling design choice. It feels like a vestigial thing from the Boost gameplay, but they could've just made proper levels with how you play in the open zones, string those disparate obstacles and whatnot together into a coherent level, it can't be that hard. Not every Sonic level has to be a 3D corridor or a 2D branching hallway.
I hope they do that. Especially because there are multiple places in each island where things link up very well. I have a near 3min clip of sonic just zooming from obstacle to obstacle, barely touching the ground. Every rail, spring and booster is so easy to link with an air boost it's really nice.
Will sonic team realize this and build on it though? I don't trust them
That's the main worry, that instead of polishing and improving on what clearly does work, they'll just throw the baby out with the bathwater and do something new again.
I see you're back squidgay. I've been waiting for you. Go back to playing splatroon. You dont deserve to discuss anything. BTW sonic chads won. Suck a dick.
Are you guys okay? Previous japanese writers usually lean in heavily on faith and mystery. Him being aloof most of the time was perfectly in line with sonic's immaturity and free spirited attitude.
I thought that one dialogue of Sonic telling Amy to share her love with the world was already obvious enough that he was acknowledging her feelings for once.
The gameplay is garbage, the coding is trash, the story is meh, and the characters are okay. The soundtrack, though, holy frick this OST is incredible.
The problem with Forces is that it was set up to have a more darker story and fricks up the execution in the worst way imaginable. Frontiers didn't frick up on its more dark and somber story, it's just awkward to see and listen to while dealing with callbacks.
Only if it’s not half assed trash, imagine establishing an interesting artstyle and unique character designs and just tossing it out the window for Sonic Forces.
The OC and BG characters were ugly af in Forces and looked as if they were in a seperate artstyle than Sonic and the gang. Included Boom bc they look like they were done by the same team.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that Sonic 06, Heroes, the adventure games, Colors, Lost World, and Unleashed all take place in the same continuity like this game seems to imply
>This gonna sound crazy, A.I Elise? Show all the results that the A.I provides
I can try to add Elise in it? Why Elise btw? I am showing off how to do AI and set it up live btw if you want to learn or give more direct suggestions.
I won't do anything sexual with AI Sage eggman will kill me.
Prompts? Because I can't believe the AI actually knows "Princess Elise from Sonic 06". Did you just do 1000 iterations of "Booba redhead in white dress"?
Frick off I’d rather Blaze be in Frontiers, Blaze was very underutilized in the 2010s (aside from being spin-off fodder) while Shadow got his own damn episode in Forces.
Could not agree more. tldr: Amy and Silver gays will never let her be anything more than a background character like she was in 06 and generations ever again.
Silver self insert gays will never let her go and be a Shadow/Knuckles level friendly rival character thanks to them needing Blaze to be anchored by the fat homosexual lard of weight that is Silver.
Blaze's best supporting cast would be Marine, Cream, Sonic, Johnny, Vanilla. A Blaze team with her as a speed character, Marine power, and Cream flight is perfect. She is much more Cream's friend than Amy ever was.
You can tell she is an amazing character because all the Amy-troonys try to boost their shitty character recently by pushing the idea that she is gay with Amy. The ending of Sonic Rush and all of Rush Adventure still lives free in their minds.
Fun well known fact that Sonic Rush and 06 were developed at the same time and Elise was SUPPOSED to be Blaze. But because of Rush releasing first and having her story be so different they had to switch from her being the main princess in 06 quickly but they all ready had the model for Blaze and she was so well received they had to stick her somewhere and that's how we got what got.
Both have: >Flame curses >Serious because of their past >Hard time making friends >Sonic opens them up >Princesses >And more similarities
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Sonic Rush and 06 were developed at the same time and Elise was SUPPOSED to be Blaze. But because of Rush releasing first and having her story be so different they had to switch from her being the main princess in 06 quickly
That doesn't make any sense. If both games were being made at the same time and heavily revolved around using the same character, why would they end up having to work around the inconsistencies of her origins in each game? Sonic Team had enough internal communication to know they wanted use Blaze in both Rush and 06, but not enough to make sure that her backstory was consistent between the two projects?
1 year ago
Anonymous
As you may know. 06 had a very troubled development with Microsoft forcing them to release early and them loosing months of work when multiple builds and their data got deleted and Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series. I used to be a game Dev and I'll tell you Japan Game Devs cross company does not have much communication outside of a few initial and check in meetings.
Essentially Japan's cross company development is to blame for Blaze's weird introduction/lore in 06.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sonic Team were the main designers behind the Rush games (a Sonic Team dev was even the project's director), with Dimps mainly serving as grunt workers. They didn't just hand Blaze off to Dimps, Sonic Team deliberately handled how Blaze was utilized in each game.
She was never planned for Elise's role.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Aw you really don't know what you are talking about. Very Sad
1 year ago
Anonymous
>get factually proven wrong >uh you don't know what you're talking about
1 year ago
Anonymous
>As you may know. 06 had a very troubled development with Microsoft forcing them to release early and them loosing months of work when multiple builds and their data got deleted and Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series. I used to be a game Dev and I'll tell you Japan Game Devs cross company does not have much communication outside of a few initial and check in meetings. >Essentially Japan's cross company development is to blame for Blaze's weird introduction/lore in 06.
>Blaze >gays
One or the other.
Maybe you are confused with the Amy troony fandom trying to homosexual up any character to prop up their shitty Minnie mouse character who's character dynamic is in constant flux thanks to everyone recognizing her pointlessness beyond being the pink/girl character of the cast when other girl characters exist.
Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS
>>gays >One or the other. >Maybe you are confused with the Amy troony fandom trying to homosexual up any character to prop up their shitty Minnie mouse character who's character dynamic is in constant flux thanks to everyone recognizing her pointlessness beyond being the pink/girl character of the cast when other girl characters exist.
[Embed] >Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS
I love how you describe just one of many examples of the Sonic series being a mess from the top down, setting aside how shit 06 turned out to be in general, and then claim "Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS" like that's an insult. Who in their right mind would be a fan of this inconsistent shit series without reservation or without singling one certain thing they like about the series (a character that might ACTUALLY have a chance to be featured prominently in the next game, tv show or comic book) and leaving it at that?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just Blazegays and their headcanons
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Blaze >gays
One or the other.
Maybe you are confused with the Amy troony fandom trying to homosexual up any character to prop up their shitty Minnie mouse character who's character dynamic is in constant flux thanks to everyone recognizing her pointlessness beyond being the pink/girl character of the cast when other girl characters exist.
Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS
1 year ago
Anonymous
>maybe if I spout buzzwords no one will realize I'm wrong
1 year ago
Anonymous
Where proofs?
I'm mean they're lore is similar, up to similarities in they're country names, and what soleanna has very similar gems to sol emeralds. But there's still no proof.
Could it be, what it just was supposed to be like that?
> Sonic fans' fav female character > She's the tard wrangler / sexual relief support cat of a naive autistic frickup
She's popular because Silver is the easiest selfinsert for Sonic fans lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
> She's the tard wrangler / sexual relief support cat of a naive autistic frickup
Yeah. A cat is fine too.
Why are Blazetards so delusional to the point they think their waifu deserves special treatment no character has gotten since 06? The absolute most we've gotten since was a pathetic Shadow DLC in Forces.
>All SA2 confrontations came out as basically a tie >Shadow's canon route in his own game never has him fight Sonic >Yeah he beats up Sonic in 06 but frick 06 >Boom is a different continuity >So is X
Nooooooo! Stop talking and liking Frontiers!!!
You have to only talk about GOW or Pokemon!
Why does no one care about the new GOW?!
Goyslop! Goyslop! Do I fit in now?!
This isn't the 2010s anymore hating Sonic doesn't make you fit in or cool bro, go back to listening to Youtubers for your opinions and being scared to non-ironically like things.
this board is so fricking obsessed with sony it's ridiculous
Typical persecution complex. You don't like something your so obsessed! Frick off to Black persontown you homosexual.
>Nooooooo! Stop talking and liking Frontiers!!!
But I never said that. OP asked for me to apologize which I said no to >You have to only talk about GOW or Pokemon!
What does either have to do with Sonic? >Why does no one care about the new GOW?!
Have never purchased or played a GoW unironically >Goyslop! Goyslop! Do I fit in now?!
3D Sonic games have always been semi-decent, mediocre or outright garbage. >This isn't the 2010s anymore hating Sonic doesn't make you fit in or cool bro
Sonic fanbase has always been a laughing stock even in the mid-late 2000's. Shadow having a gun and Sonic 06 were testaments that its a franchise only held up by the uber autistic. >go back to listening to Youtubers for your opinions and being scared to non-ironically like things.
Opinion was formed about Sonic since I was a teen in the early 2000's.
No fair, when i make an thread about what went wrong with an game (MGSV), it only gets 8 replies but when this butthole makes an thread threatening game reviewers it gets over 400+ replies
I discovered this by accident: you can actually one-hit Tower by waiting for it to perform the drill attack, then parkour up the body, and bounce-slamming the head
>drains your ring count
interesting, but should be easily doab- >hits you while you're at 380 rings, makes you spill all of them and then instantly kills you
oh
Surely chao garden will be dlc when one of the two people who made the chao garden in SA2 is the game's lead director.
who am i kidding sonic team hates its fans
You mofrickas was talking big shit when the metacritic dropped what happened? Now it's all quiet
Actually the best sonic game we've had in eons, and if you remove the fact Generations had nostalgia to bank off of it's the best game that's come out in nearly 20 years from Sonic Team.
It needs loves in some places but Sonic really feels at home in the overworld. The briefness of the speed stages doesn't sting as bad since they're spread across the game as well.
>Actually the best sonic game we've had in eons,
This is the equivalent of going to the toilet and calling over your roommates to say "look! Look,! This is the biggest shit I've ever made!"
No it's not moron. Sonic Mania exists
sonic mania released five years ago
>By Sonic Team
He's right because ST didn't make mania.
>Generations had nostalgia to bank off
Generations didn't copy paste levels wholesale
Yup, Frontiers tries to hide it at that.
No, it doesn't. Even in the story, it's outright said he's going through familiar lands, and the team seems open about this fact.
at least the console version didn't. Generations 3DS copied the Classic Sonic levels for the genesis games wholesale
I'm sorry that you're so starved for Sonic you think a barebones tech demo is 10/10 cause it has Sonic. Its Forces launch all over again. People who aren't invested in Sonic will try the game cause of the high positive user rating and then shit on it when they play it as they don't have an obsession over Sonic to cloud their judgement
>Its Forces launch all over again.
Frontiers isn't as bad as Forces so this is nowhere near the same level but I agree otherwise
>Cr1tikal liked it
>Mutahar liked it
That already guarantees that normies will like it.
No idea who those people are.
>No idea who those people are.
You probably don't know who friends are either
>my only friends are e-celebs who agree with me
What did you mean by this?
Point is you're a homosexual who enables e-celeb culture.
The most israeli post on Ganker rn.
>every single character at the best they've ever been
>just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed
>that soundtrack
>those bosses
>that ending
I was hoping Sonic was back, I didn't expect them to dethrone SA2
I fricking kneel Flynn-sama
single character at the best they've ever been
>>just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed
You're out of your mind dude
>Eggman out of character
>Amy out of character
>Comic lesbian OC randomly canonized
>Nuclear waste pronoun politics in a kids game
>Sage has access to cyberspace, which has access to everyone's memories but she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go
>Emeralds retconned to be alien space mcguffins, Master Emerald still from Earth though
Writting's all over the place.
>trannies so rent free in your head you think this is about gender and not the fact eggman is ascribing life to the code he wrote up
Life must be rough.
>Eggman out of character
>Amy out of character
Explain
>Comic lesbian OC randomly canonized
Cope
>Nuclear waste pronoun politics in a kids game
Wow Eggman goes from calling Sage an "it" when he sees her as an "AI" to "she" when he starts humanizing her and treating her as his daughter, I can't believe the liberals turned Sonic the Hedgehog into Sonic THEY/THEM Hedgehog
>Sage has access to cyberspace, which has access to everyone's memories but she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go
Sage is hostile to Sonic because she was created by Eggman, she is naturally pessimistic when he faces these new threats which she knows is more than even Super Sonic can handle on his own, she quickly realizes he's their best shot when she observes him in action herself and gains new data
It's a very straightforward "robot/AI/artificial human learning to comprehend and experience human emotions like love and irrational tenacity" plotline it shouldn't be too hard to follow
>Emeralds retconned to be alien space mcguffins, Master Emerald still from Earth though
Of course, the Master Emerald originally governed the Super Emeralds :^)
>Explain
Eggman is shown as a tragic and sympathetic character instead of a villain.
The way the pronoun talk is shoehorned into the game is with Eggman wondering about what Sage would like to be addressed by- even though he's not meant to ever take anyone's opinions into account besides his own.
Amy no longer prioritizes Sonic, implies on going on a journey over being with Sonic and in several points is the one wearing the pants in the relationship.
>Cope
Cope. Lesbian OC character isn't part of the game. Everyone, including hardcore Sonic fans, are going "wtf" at her name being mentioned besides the /sthg/ furries.
>I can't believe the liberals turned Sonic the Hedgehog into Sonic THEY/THEM Hedgehog
Yeah I can't believe Eggman is asking someone to order him how to interpret reality.
>Sage is
moronic. All information about Sonic she gains through out the game she already had access at the start of the game due to cyberspace. So either she is literally moronic or there's a massive plothole.
I'm actually okay with sympathetic Eggman. SA2 ends with him being reflecting on his idealization of his Grandfather and how it might have been misplaced since Gerald tried to destroy the Earth. The thing is Eggman is still a villain in that story. He wants to rule the world, that's not a joke, that's not a gag, its his actual motivation. The dude points the Eclipse Cannon at Earth and give the ultimatum "fall in line or be destroyed." Now we know he would never destroy Earth, but he will definitely threaten it. My biggest issue with Eggman in this game is that we hardly see him, dude is barely in the game despite bring the impetus for the plot.
>My biggest issue with Eggman in this game is that we hardly see him, dude is barely in the game despite bring the impetus for the plot.
Before it was out, I was expecting Eggman to spend the whole game stuck in cyberspace trying to figure out how it worked and showing up right at the end with full control of it and Sonic having to become Cyber Sonic to fight him.
What we got was way lamer.
I wonder if its because Eggman's OG JP voice actor died. Maybe SEGA is trying to downplay the character as a sign of respect.
Idk, evidently the game despite having had nearly 5 years of dev time was somehow still rushed.
One of the Egg logs mentions there only being 3 islands instead of 5, and there some other info in the files that heavily shows the last two islands were part of Kronos.
So people have speculated they made the first island too big, didn't want to make the other islands that size so they just split the islands up to artificially increase the length of the game.
>I'm actually ok with sympathetic Eggman
Stopped reading there. Stop blindly defending this shit. Eggman was always meant to be an evil madman and Sonic was always meant to stop him. If they wanted a sympathetic villain they should have, i dunno, made a new one. They are creatively bankrupt and your defending them isn't helping.
Eggman is an evil madman but he's also a human being. The nuance is what makes him even more terrifying, knowing that someone who understands compassion still revels in terrorizing and enslaving millions.
Not them, but Eggman and Amy have absolutely no charisma in this game. It's weird.
You need to go outside and touch grass unironically.
you need to have a nice day
>touch grass
go back normalgay
did they ruin the lore with the emeralds? they’re a lot cooler unexplained
Eh sort of...? They basically say they were brought to Earth from space by Chaos' ancestors.
Which is sort of redefining their origins, but you can also just view it as them having been taken from away from Earth for a few years before being returned. In fact, I think you HAVE to still have them originate from Earth because otherwise it opens up a plot hole of Chip and Dark Gaia having used the Emeralds to fight since the dawn of time (and this game reaffirms Unleashed as canon so you can't get around that lore)
they never explained how the ancients themselves got a hold of the emerald. they could've been planet hopping and found them on a whim
Then why bother "revealing" that they're from space in the first place. It adds nothing meaningful to Frontiers' plot (the Ancients could have just traveled to Earth on their own after their planet was destroyed), nor does it add anything meaningful to the emeralds' origins. And that's considering the possibility that they're still actually from Earth, got carried into space somehow, and then just brought back.
Sonic Team comes up with such dumb lore. They'd be better off just leaving this kind of shit as completely ambiguous.
Could be why the Emerald's forced themselves back to Earth. Maybe the Chaos race grabbed them right after a Gaia battle, used them for some time, then the Emeralds went back to Earth for the next round.
It's still entirely vague, just that the seven regular chaos emeralds came from space, but were attracted to earth via the master emerald. There is also something that looks like a second broken master emerald on the second island, I don't think there's any explanation given for what that is. Could be a second master emerald, could be a previous master emerald that was replaced, could be something else that's broken and just happens to look like it. Chaos' relationship to the emeralds and the aliens that look like Chaos is also weird. They're from space, but Chaos seemingly isn't, but they are related with them being referred to as offshoots that had become drastically different, and Chaos is still referred to as a god. There's still mystery, the major additions to the lore here are that:
- The chaos emeralds have travelled a signficant distance through space before reaching earth, they are seemingly not native.
- The chaos emeralds weren't created by the echidnas (this was always the case, they are trying to seize them in SA1)
- The chaos aliens didn't create the emeralds either.
- The stuff on angel island that houses the emeralds was based on the remains of the much older chaos aliens stuff.
- There is at least one master emerald on earth to begin with before the aliens ever arrived, and the emeralds are related to one another.
Now you have questions like "was the master emerald also from space and arrived earlier?" and "were the emeralds from earth to begin with and went into space and the aliens unintentionally ended up returning them?" and "are the aliens an offshoot of chaos as stated in the game by eggman, or is chaos actually an offshoot of the aliens and their last survivor like knuckles is the last echidna?"
so does this game explain why Robotnik detected chaos emeralds on Angel Island after crash landing even though Sonic has them at the start of 3&K?
No mention of that. There's parts where Knuckles is supposed to have flashbacks to things on Angel Island where it just shows a screenshot of the Sonic 3 opening scene lol, and it happens twice. It didn't actually seem like it was what was supposed to be actually shown on screen either, because it's supposed to be him reacting to the similarites of the architecture surrounding the broken master emerald-lookalike but it doesn't actually show you what that looked like. It should've at the very least been a screenshot of Hidden Palace's emerald chamber.
Time is convoluted
Master Emerald.
Master Emerald. They outright admitted they didn't start solidifying the rules with the Chaos emeralds until Adventure and Adventure 2 still had the Master Emerald set off Doc's Emerald radar.
Considering Origins had to explain the light blue Emerald not being in Sonic 1 as it just not deciding to gather until after, I'm surprised they didn't redesign the Sonic 2 emeralds to be consistent with the rest. Original set per island lore means you see Knuckle's steal the 2 designed Emerald's from you for it to then go modern right after.
>"are the aliens an offshoot of chaos as stated in the game by eggman, or is chaos actually an offshoot of the aliens and their last survivor like knuckles is the last echidna?"
The game was implying Chao are the last of the ancients. That's why Kocos have Chao faces.
>all these mental gymnastics to try explain the fricking emeralds across all sonic games
Fortnite tier lore
imagine seething this hard just because Tangle’s name came up once
Oh great, this is the bait that's going to be posted in every Frontiers thread now
>she still couldn't calculate that helping Sonic was the way to go
play the game next time. she spent half the game trying to convince eggman to work with sonic based on their previous successes and outright name drops their team ups in sa2 and heroes to help her case
Do you throw tantrums over the fact that humans have been calling vehicles, vessels, and now many computer programs "she" for centuries, except for the battleship Bismarck which was referred to as "he"?
oh my god dude you are actually insane
Someone give this moron his meds
Sage is a e-girl, so yes "she".
Yeah but did you need her to tell you that?
Did you have to wonder what her "preference" was, like a cuck?
You're obsessed.
No point in arguing with this moron, he can't let go of identity politics for one second
I see your preference is to be an obnoxious homosexual
>dethrone SA2
Dude, no. What the frick are you on? Frontiers music, level design, and gameplay physics are all objectively worse. This game didn't even have a fricking FINAL STAGE. Grinding in the empty open world doesn't fricking count.
>This game didn't even have a fricking FINAL STAGE
Play it in hard
3D Sonic fans both hate and don't understand the Ikaruga bossfight
I'm talking about something like a cyberspace level you dumb fricks. There should have been a final stage inside the moon or some shit.
Why has everyone been praising this game's OST like "Oh yeah, Sonic always has good music!" when the music has been fricking ear rape since Forces. There's not a single good track on this fricking OST outside like, 5 of them. And those five sound like shit to me, but I'll acknowledge that they're decent enough. Like holy frick, none of it is catchy - it's all generic electronic music you could find on fricking chillhop.
For example, here's the Green Forest ripoff level:
Compared to actual Green Forest:
Just, frick. And don't get me started on the actual gameplay. This whole game made me just want to play SA2 to the point where I've hooked it back up to monitor.
7/10 game though, good effort. Just, at this rate they'll never even come close to SA2's greatness.
>generic electronic music vs generic rock music
Wow anon you're a visionary! Next you'll tell me one of these came out in 2001 while the other was in 2022.
>when the music has been fricking ear rape since Forces
Well since forces was the last sonic game, thats a pretty good record.
I kinda like it but it does go into EDM silliness a bit too much. Unfortunately game companies always seem to be a bit behind the times when it comes to music so I think they all think Spinnin Records shite is what everybody loves when really everybodys done with it.
The frequent pop-in is unfrickingacceptable, especially on the PS5.
Get a better system
It's a universal issue anon.
The game has a really bad issue with pop ins on the floating platforms and grind rails. It's not the end of the world, but pretending it doesn't exist is moronic.
Someone will make a mod to fix it anyways.
>every single character at the best they've ever been
They still do frick all besides standing around and talking to Sonic sometimes
>just unironically legitimately good writing from start to finish with no cheese or camp needed
Sage is a moronicly written character who is only getting praised because "zomg cute e-girl"
Just because there aren't as many shitty jokes doesn't mean the writing is good
>that soundtrack
It's alright
The boss themes and some of the cybperspace themes are pretty good but the OST on the whole is pretty forgettable
>those bosses
They're okay, the final boss being a literal rock is the most unimaginative shit in years though
I can't believe they found a way to be even less creative than repeating Colors' final boss again
>that ending
What about it? "Sonic beat the bad guy but character of the week had to make a sacrifice" is practically a trope at this point.
>dethrone SA2
LOL no
SA2:
>has the extended cast actually doing stuff and moving the plot forward
>has a significantly better soundtrack
>controls far better even in the hunting/mech stages
>has Eggman come off as an actual competent villain and not a moronic manchild like in Frontiers
I could go on but yeah
The Sonic fandom needs to drop this whole "waiting for a franchise savior to appear" mindset
All it does is lead them to accept more and more mediocrity
>sage is a moronicly written character who is only getting praised because "zomg cute e-girl"
opinion discarded
>They still do frick all besides standing around and talking to Sonic sometimes
Well to be fair they are digitized and can’t really do much but at the interactions were fun to watch every and they encourage Sonic to move forward and discover puzzles for Sonic to solve.
>No mention of gameplay
I hate Sonic autismos.
Your mistake was thinking SA2 was good in the first place. The only good Sonics were 2, CD, 3&K, SA1, and Mania. Generations was serviceable. Every other Sonic ranges from mediocre to outright terrible.
>I didn't expect them to dethrone SA2
>good
>basically remove the exploration aspect of SA
no
This game replaced Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain as my favorite open world
>BoTW was meh
>RDR 2's stiff gameplay ruined it for me
The characters are 100/10, the story is gritty yet goofy, and the game is straight up fun.
I've been praying to the Lord that this game is successful for the sake of the developers and their families, and I'm glad that my prayers are being answered. I'm so happy that this is the best Sonic game we've had since Generations
This motherfricker gets it.
I'm so happy I could shed a manly tear. Sonic is BACK
If you liked Metal Gear's Open World no wonder you like this shit. God have some fricking standards please! The open world was the worst part of MGSV everyone knows that the curated levels like OKB Zero or Guantanamo Bay are way better than Afghanistan or Africa.
You know what? Ok! You're right! I'll get some standards!
In fact, I'll enjoy the same rehash bullshit of going to a fantasy land, walking around pointlessly for the brotherhood of bullshit or whatever the frick, geting a unique sword with waxky quirks, slaying some beasts, rescuing maidens, and having
>LE HARD MODE
Controls that are actually unresponsive! Yeah, THAT'LL raise my standards while I play glorified Skyrim as it's disguised as the next step in the series!
Frick your standards. They're boring. Sonic and MGSV offer variety that isn't typical Tolkien/Berserk bullshit. That's why I don't play open world, and why I'm glad I didn't spend money on Elden Ring.
Why are you bringing up games neither of us talked about? Neither of these refute the point that for a stealth game like MGSV the actual planned out locations are way better than the majority of the random checkpoints dotting Afghanistan/Africa.
neither of us? Lol are you and a discord gay actually trying to argue for Nu-Gow? lol what morons
Those games set most open world standards. MGSV bent them since stealth IRL is much more difficult when you can be easily seen
You're a real one, man. Thank you
For you for being a true Sonic Chad and not being ashamed of liking things unironically I'll make something nice right here!
Have a Sage made by MGS Yoji Shinkawa!
(also all the signatures point to a YT with a chad dis community only shilling this once)
Another!
This is sick af, I appreciate it
Here's something cool I found online as a show of thanks
Don't mind him fellow sonic Chad. Have another cute Sage on the house
Also forgot to mention the love interest part which is why Sonic and Blaze have their iconic moments in Rush and Rush Adventure.
Sonic is canonically into thanks to 06 and the Rush series:
>Princesses
>Serious natures
>Flame powers
that drawing would be more accurate if it was modern sonic
I don't even like Sonic, but why is this an issue to people? Why does every game have to be made for every fricking audience? If it makes the core audience happy, that's all that should matter. It's this sort of shit that got us to the point where games have absolutely no unique qualities and just riff on what's proven to be safe and successful.
You clearly like Sonic
But enough about that
Sonic has a garnered inherent hate towards it, see egoraptor and sonic has never ever recovered ever since that
Which is ironic since Ganker shits on him but parrots him, like dunkey, it's funny
Because that core audience demands that everyone else should settle with mediocre at best shit like they do. Look at this thread for example, homosexual OP acting like Frontiers is some gift from God and demanding everyone to apologize for even daring to ever (rightfully) criticize the Church of Sonic.
>demanding everyone to apologize for even faring to ever criticize the church of sonic
newbie doesnt know what an apologize thread is lmao
Because it's literally mediocre
Look at it's contemporaries, every main mario game is always good, why can't sonic be like that?
Sunshine is good?
Vanilla 3D World is good?
Yes? Are you moronic?
I dunno but it seems that you clearly are
> no unique qualities and just riff on what's proven to be safe and successful
Sonic Frontiers literally copying BotW. They ARE playing it safe, or so they think.
It's more like Odyssey than BOTW though
It's not even an open world game. It's a series of 5 disconnected sandboxes that are linearly unlocked. They continually would go on about how it was something called 'Open Zone' and dismissing direct comparisons and people still say both things.
It's honestly more closer to bowser's fury than BOTW.
the BOTW comparison feels like it's just made by people who saw trailers or something.
So 95% of Ganker about any video game?
It doesn’t make the core audience happy. It just puts the loud and desperate fans in denile.
>Why does every game have to be made for every fricking audience?
Why is ok to make a game thats just for shit eating morons?
At least its a game GOWcuck
this board is so fricking obsessed with sony it's ridiculous
This but unironically. Mediocrity is a step in right direction
>I am infinite.. I am nothing..
KINO
>final boss is touhou
Its Ikaruga, do your shmup knowledge reps.
meteion bros we lost again
You apologize to the board for being a subhuman sonic furry homosexual
I'm seeing a lot of COPE emenating from these joyless c**ts posts in this thread. STAY MAD Black folk SONIC IS ON TOP
>Sonic will never actually improve in your lifetime because a bunch of autists praise Sega and Sonic Team for making a game that's merely mediocre instead of a trashfire for once
When will the pain end?
Please bring this team back or sell Sonic to people who give a shit.
ever think your taste is just wet dog shit?
It's an autistic kind of hell.
>What we got was way lamer.
This is what I've been saying since before the game came out all year long. Every single time without fail, whatever a Sonic fan comes up with for a new game's story or gameplay is infinitely more fun and interesting than what the actual game will end up being. Sonic Team either can't or won't commit to anything and so we're stuck with an incomplete thought.
>but Ian wrote this game's story
If you think he did anything other than write dialogue and localize some concepts and ideas for Western audiences and that Sonic Team didn't write the actual scenario for the game... then I've got a Bridge Zone to sell you.
Ian's dialogue was incredibly clunky and unfitting at best. If the tradmark of his writing style is constant references with 0 substantial or meaningful dialogue I do not want him writing for another game.
Nah you can tell by the quality of the Japanese text that it was just a translation of the original English
Social engineering did this.
Now instead of expecting a quality product from a beloved series, they defend it for free.
>mediocre
lol seething snoydrone fuming that sonic is GOTY and better than ragnacuck
neither are. GOTY is cyberpunk after the update
Pretty much just ranacucks mad no one wants to play their ~~*we grew up*~~ California mcu-styled garabage shit.
Sonic is back on top and is winning bigly all over.
Also after generating some Elises for
I get now why Sonic wanted to tap that.....lucky frick
It hurts
You'd think they'd be demanding better, but no. They're satisfied with mediocrity apparently.
>Sega quickly abandons games that still need fixing (Sonic Team Racing, Colors Ultimate, Origins)
>Sonicgays continues to defend this company because they’re desperate
I fricking hate this so much.
You're just too jaded to actually enjoy anything.
Are you implying Sonic Team is capable of self-reflection?
I'm starting to think nuSonic shiteaters deserve nothing but absolute mediocrity until the end of time after watching them unquestioningly gobble this turd up
>nuSonic shiteaters
What defines a nuSonic shiteater. Because 16 years ago we got Sonic 06.
I never thought I would ever cry to a Sonic game in my life. And I am ashamed to admit it. But frick this song is so beautiful accompanied by Eggman's tragic ending.
Reminder, everyone hates Sonicgays, not Sonic. You're the problem, not Sonic. Grow a brain, gets some taste, and play other video games for once. Then you'll realize why people want Sonic to be better, not him dead unless Sonic Team can't deliver.
Can't believe SEGA hired that man when Nintendont...
Worth getting on switch for portability?
Its not worth getting the game at all. Especially the switch version.
>it’s not worth getting at all
Why are you here
Let people enjoy stuff
THIS JUST IN; PEOPLE BUY STUFF THEY LIKE
MORE AT 11
>citing podcast
fricking kys
It's over, normalgays and their sandbox simulators won.
Arcade games are dead and so is the Sonic you once knew.
It's time to move on.
>Game has an arcade mode
Huh?
it's a literal fricking unreal engine demo
who the frick thinks that shit is good
i just dont know anymore
I will never apologize.
this is something my little brother sent me.
cope harder Sega bootlicker.
this is actually worrying
what if they bring another moronic homosexual like the happy tree friends writer.
couldn't they have just stuck with ian for lorewriting? his autism is good enough for this
>YWNSXW
Ian got to write for one, ONE (1) game and already abused his position to make his lesbian OC canon.
So no, please get rid of Ian.
she's not lesbian but ok
Sonic adventure and 2 plays like dogshit tho, the frick are you all on about?
I like gaining speed by spinning down hills and flying off ramps, the momentum based gameplay is fun, the lack invisible walls allows for a lot of creativity. Sonic Frontiers has none of that and all your speed comes from a glorified run button and is overly restrictive. I was hoping to see less of Boost-Era on-rails gameplay not more.
Are sonic fans standards really this low.
Yeah? When did SA2 release? Since that
https://twitter.com/vgdunkey/status/1591102377461157888
The funny internetman is about to rip this game in half
Say goodbye to your honeymoon phase that's going to be prematurely ended lmao
>Ganker agreeing with ecelebs
>especially when he's a fat cuck
LMAO. This game is going to get fellated even harder
Ganker follows the reviews that fit the game
They disagree with God of War high reviews but agrees with Frontiers lower reviews
That's because the critics there pointed things they would do, you'd think this place would be contrarian of the Sonic 06 Low reviews for example
>Ganker agreeing with ecelebs
blame tourists, zoomers and normalgays
say it again
wait what, I thought Ganker hates this guy? you all malded over his hate for xenoblade, why are you all taking his words as gospel now?
I think dunkey's takes are dumb as frick but normies take his word as gospel. They'll just shit on this game without ever playing it if Dunkey isn't positive in his "review."
/v/?
Taking anything as long it works on their narrative?
IMAGINE MY SHOCK!
>wait what, I thought Ganker hates this guy?
unironic weebs do
go gargle on frickey's slop
the weeb cries in pain as he get's called out
...and anyone with good taste.
>xenocringe
>good taste
lmao at least be selfaware
Aware that Xenoblade is XenoBASED? I know.
aware that you get cringed at by anyone at the store and the clerk behind ther counter himself when buying it and not saying it's for your kid
>le cringe!
The absolute state of Dunkeygays. Sad.
>Grown "men" cringing at anything is the height of troonyfication.
the absolute state of seething dunkey bootlickers lmfao
Grown "men" cringing at anything is the height of troonyfication.
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 flopped.
>Weeblade Cringles 3
I was going to get Xenoblade, but after Dunkey’s video, but not only will I not get it anymore, but I will also actively discourage people from getting it.
Ganker is one person I guess, huh? People will always complain about literally anything and everything, no matter what it is or how it was done, because that's what people do. This place being anonymous hides the fact it's someone different everytime, but your lizard brain doesn't really know how to innately deal with that, so here you are, making that post.
Ganker consists of a bunch of redditor subhumans that worship a reddit eceleb. How 'surprising'.
yup, it's over. this homosexual's fricking insufferable fanbase will storm for the public opinion
reminder dunkey unironically liked lou2
it's over for dunkeygays
Dunkeygays are weird. They will say that his reviews are satire like when XenoCHADS start plowing Dunkeygays just as black men plow Leah. But then they will take his reviews seriously. So is it satire or not?
only if it works for their narrative
why is everyone banking on this man's opinion anyway? can't you think of your own?
it's satire when they get deservedly fricked with a reality check, but when they don't they'll parrot it 100% true and undeniable like the mindless echo chamber they are
regardless of dunkey's case it should be a known fact that if you program your opinions after an eceleb's, your words are literally less than worthless
keep saying it
This Black person lover hates every bing bing wahoo game except mario
>those fricking replies seething and claiming frontiers is better than any zelda game
ahaahahahah sonicgays are so mentally broken holy shit
KEEP SAYING IT!
>dunkey
AhahahahahahahahahahagahahHahaha holy fricking shit lmao
Post the stupid fricking rabbit vtuber open world graph next, i love how moronic it is
How can you defend the fact that the Cyberspace levels not only aesthetically copy past zones AGAIN (With the two most overused zones to boot, Green Hill and Chemical Plant)[/spolier] but also straight up copy the fricking level design from past games?
I've seen some levels and they are straight up Green Forest from SA2 or even just Green Hill from Generations. How is that acceptable?
There really isn't. I had fun with the game but the cyber space is inexcusable
Holy shit they didn't even bother to use other assets what do you mean?
I don't think anyone's defending the Cyberspace designs.
Even the most positive reviews still take issue with the Cyberspace levels
actual proper review with pros/cons that's true to how the game is tbh
>play sonic frontiers
>have fun
>hour slips by
>go into cyberspace
>immediately stop having fun
There's always SOMETHING with Sonic games. How hard was it to have Sonic control the same in cyberspace as he does in the open world?
>N-no, that'll completely destroy the level design! You can't do that! You'll just run over everything!
Sounds like cyberspace level design just sucks then. Some of these time trial challenges are funner A-B stages than the actual cyberspace stages.
I hate how the parry mechanic works. The game TELLS you that you need to time the button press with the enemy attack, but it isn't true at all, you just hold down the buttons. I kept getting my ass kicked by the giant bosses because I over-thought things and actually tried to use timing.
Just enter parry stance and you are invincible. There is no challenge.
I know that now. But I feel like a moron trying to work out the "timing" for deflecting Wyvern's attack when it turns out that no timing at all is required.
They probably changed it last minute.
Some challenges are based on parry timing but with how it works they are pointless.
how about you learn how to read you fricking moron
It should be based on difficulty. Easy has it how it is right now in-game, meaning you could hold it down for as long as you want, normal has a timing but still simple and can be held down for a little bit after parrying once, and hard mode has a strict timing and has to be pressed everytime. That could be interesting
It's good but god damn if they wanted to reuse assets for Cyberspace they missed out by not getting ones from the Dreamcast games to make them look digital
Sonic fans have no taste.
You could draw a fricking weird as frick sonic and as long as it had semi normal looking but big feet you'd get 10k fricking likes on DeviantArt
They are so starved for content they eat literally any shit put infront of them
>t. loves GoW Ragnarok
and?
everyone agrees it's a masterpiece while this game is mediocre at best
keep coping
>everyone agrees it's a masterpiece while this game is mediocre at best
?
kek goyslop eating snoygays are in absolute shambles
Hey man why can’t we just be friends?
Can we get mods for both to do this? I'd love to use Frontiers' combat in GoW.
wat
>?
It feels like Sonic fans are trying to go the "socially constructed reality" route, thinking that if they just defy objective reality and yell "ITS GOOD" hard enough, long enough, they can Milhouse-meme a global consensus through sheer force of denial.
Honestly it's got a higher probability of working than the probability of Sega actually making a good game, so fair play to them.
Critics and journos are morons? Color me surprised
Dunkey is literally just a moron who let his fricking ego get to his head and anyone bootlicking him are bigger morons
So uhhhh, you mean half of Ganker?
Is it a surprise half of Ganker are moronic?
Not really, just confirming that we're on the same page
Cheers
sonic fans are so buckbroken by this shitty dev team. this feels like a fan made tech demo
That's offensive to fangames
did you forget anon?
you're can't want mom*ntum anymore because... y-you just can't ok?!?!
>Twatter trannies unironically treating the word momentum as a forbidden slur
The absolute fricking state of the Sonic fan base.
The reason is that Sonic is not aimed at guys in their 20s who can understand and apply momentum to the gameplay, the games are aimed at kids/women and your average full-time wagie Joe who can't comprehend anything beyond pressing more than 2 buttons. That's why we get breath of le wild again, that's why sonic games will never be good or reach their full potential.
children can understand mario games yet adults can do unholy shit with the same 2 buttons
unironically skill issue on sonic team's part if they can't do the same
sonic was never good ever since the start of the 3d era
Mario games are way slower, that's why they can get away with adding a little momentum and other stuff.
Sonic is supposed to go really fricking fast and you can't have fast and momentum and freedom all at the same time because you're rising the skill floor way above the average normie moron who plays videogames nowadays and on top of that you gotta design the levels around the new and complex movement.
>breath of le wild again
That game actually had physics though, good ones at that.
sonic zero gravity 2 looks great
Game?
Sonic GT. Enjoy
I really like Sonic Frontiers but there are a few criticisms I have with it
>referencing past games is cool but only if it makes sense contextually (like when knuckles recognises the architecture of angel island in the ruins and it shows the sonic 3 image). There are points where the references feel like a setup for a Family Guy cutaway - "holy crap lois this is worse than the time i was at mystic ruins"
>the light speed dash shouldn't kill your momentum after it ends, jumping should maintain speed as well
>sonic needs a higher non-boost speed in the cyberspace levels
>going through each of the platforming challenges is fun but it would have been nice to get more that mesh with the landscape rather than just floating rails
>the parry should work by releasing it at the correct timing rather than just holding it down, it's ridiculously busted against most enemies
No offense, that's the generic criticism over Frontier which just means everyone agrees on the same flaws which Sonic Team should improve upon in the next game.
The questions if will they stick to it?
imo they should remove the "trick" system and just let us fricking shot sonic over ledges, yes let the players break the game with sonic's speed&momentum
I'm actually okay with ability to let Sonic do tricks mid-air. He should being doing tricks all the time he is a show off, but it shouldn't come at the expense of air control. I want to do cool air tricks while having proper momentum physics and mid-air control.
If only someone had considered having tricks be on their own button... like in Sonic GT
Or Sonic Advance 2. Or Advance 3. Or Rush. Or Rush Adventure.
Frontiers implements tricks as a way to grind for xp, but considering how easy it is to unlock everything on the skill tree it makes you wonder why they even bothered. At least give the trick system additional traversal options like in previous games so it doesn't become completely useless before you reach the game's halfway point.
>There are points where the references feel like a setup for a Family Guy cutaway
That's the explanation I've been looking for but couldn't put into words myself.
>classicshitters
The actual quality doesn't matter. There are plenty of good 3d sonic games, yet every time a new one comes out the cult-like sonic hatebase spams OMG THEY ALL FRICKING SUCK THIS ONE WILL TOO NOTHING NEW LOL.
Do you ever think the pop-in issue is just their engine being dogshit? some games don't have that problem
Considering even the next-gen and PC versions have the pop-in issue that seems likely
Considering its a problem on all platforms regardless of hardware its either a deliberate choice or a engine limitation. To be honest is probably a mix of both.
Considering we have a mod to fix Cyberspace physics I think a pop-in fix could be possible.
Hopefully, but then you have the a new problem where any hope of a nice looking vista is just clouded by a frick ton of random jungle gym-esque platforms.
Model swaps are a possibility.
There are no lod versions of those objects popping in. Probably because the team didn't have time to create low res versions of all those objects because Sega once again rushed the game before it was ready.
It happens at ranges that don't even make sense and the render priority in general is fricked. It's an engine problem.
to eggman
>reprograms her in an hour
He had a copy on his computer? shes just a program
Yeah the game tries to act like she's going to sacrifice herself for good at the end, with Eggman reluctantly letting her go, but couldn't Eggman easily just back her up before she left to fight the evil moon?
I feel like a decent writer would use this to try and question the ethics of Eggman basically "starting up" a clone of his dead AI daughter in a sequel, but that's probably too deep for a Sonic game.
Instead I guess the ending implies that Eggman revives a remnant of Sage that still existed in cyberspace.
>I feel like a decent writer would use this to try and question the ethics of Eggman basically "starting up" a clone of his dead AI daughter in a sequel, but that's probably too deep for a Sonic game.
Take a moment to think about why Sage is conveniently voiced by a Rei Ayanami VA in both languages.
Why would I need to. Sonic Team almost never captures the potential that's sitting right in front of them, why would they start now.
my only complaint is still no chao garden other than that frontiers has been absolutely banger
SA1 > SA2 > Unleashed > Colors > Generations >> Heroes > Lost World >> Secret Rings/Black Knight > Forces > 06 > Shadow >> Boom
I haven't played Frontiers yet but I assume it's above Generations
Its close behind Heroes greatly above Lost World.
3&K > Mania > 2 > SA2 > Generations > Unleashed > Rush > Rush Adventure > SA1 > Advance 1 > Advance 2 and 3 >Frontiers > Heroes > Black Knight > Colours > Shadow > 06 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boom
You almost had a perfect ranking but you fricked it up with Colors.
>Black Knight > Colours
You are a legitimate homosexual child.
I want to play Sonic slicing through armies inside a volcano. Not playing a 2D mario game with bad stand up for a story.
Music and environments were good, but my god what a waste.
>i want to play bad game instead of good game
>black knight bad game
kys
Grow up. Openly defending a game meant for toddlers as if there is nothing wrong with it. Take up your own advice, man child.
Colours puts me to sleep. It's too easy, linear and stilted. Even going for S Ranks it's just a matter of spamming side steps and wasting time with the wisps
Secret Rings and Black Knight are abominations meant for small stupid children. Not even true Sonic games. You might as well included the Olympic and PSP games because they are just as absurd to favor over Colors.
Mario is actually good though
>Heroes > Black Knight
cringe
Move frontiers below colors and i agree
>Frontiers above SA2
>Colors close to fricking Shadow
Nice bait.
And where the frick are CD and Sonic 1?????
above SA2
you can't read
FRICKING GODDAMMIT
I meant SA2 above Frontiers
That means you're just shitposting, your subconscious betrayed you
Nah, It's more that I just woke up and went to here
SA2 above frontiers is correct. frontiers is mediocre while SA2 is actually fun and good.
2 = 3&K > Mania > Heroes > Generations > Sonic 1 = CD > SA2(Speed stages only) > SA1 > Unleashed > Colours >
Black Knight > Sonic Advance 1 > Shadow > Shit >>> Advance 2-3 > SA2(Mech and Emerald Hunting) > Forces > Secret Rings > 06
discard the opinion of all Heroes shitters btw
Controls are dogshit, yes, but I've played it so much im used to them and the rest of the game is really fun to me
I swear SA1 has to be one you played as a kid because I find SA2 so much better
Forces over 06 is a big fricking cap lmao
Forces is just utterly mediocre. 06 is a broken mess.
I've been playing this game for only like, three hours and I already have six chaos emeralds. Somethin feels off.
not time to apologize just yet
but it is coming
They've been listening for decades, the problem is they're listening too much or not to the right people.
Soon we will get what we really want.
My wife!
>We are listening!
They've been saying this for two decades now. The main problem is Sonic Team's execution. Their games always sound ten times better on paper.
>sonic team outdid gamefreak
I can't believe it bros
I don't see how given both Frontier and SV are looking to be mediocre games that have good ideas buried under a dozen questionable decisions (with performance being a sticking point in both, to boot).
Both are probably also gonna be end up praised to high heavens by the general fanbase because what's come before has largely been massive shit with a few sprinkles of good products (Mania for Sonic, Legends for Pokemon)
>one moron moronic slightly less than the other moron this time
whoah...
ohtani is a goated composer but I do hope we get senoue back on the next game
wait, senoue isn't in? the guitars went too hard
he only did the production side of things this time around
senoue's guitars have a very distinct tone that's immediately recognizable if you listen to enough of his stuff
is it cracked yet?
>Denuvo
Literally never ever.
Is Denuvo actually uncrackable now????
No one besides an unhinged troony demanding $500 cracks Denuvo anymore.
>Constant Adventure references
>Iizuka saying he wants to make it agai
>Tails, Knuckle's, and Amy suddenly banging on about wanting to explore the world solo.
Be careful Sega, whatever you call Adventure 3 can't turn into another Forces.
The major boss fight themes go so fricking hard my god
>Week 1 Momentum Mod
Holy shit.
They should stop with this "realistic" geometry bullshit, just make the slant of mountains's actual geometry as straight as you can then let people launch of cliffs instead of making it realistic which causes model clipping or collision jank
Do people really fricking care about realistic geometry box for a gap between two small rocks if Sonic's foot doesn't fall in the said gap? Get rid of it
sonic team needs to adjust the pop in on current gen consoles/pc and add a 60 fps mode to the series s version and then the game becomes a 8/10
if you enjoy the latest main stream mario games, botw, or even death stranding their is no reason why you shouldn't enjoy this game, imo
hell if you liked running around in elden ring doing shit you should enjoy this game
If it wasn't open world it wouldn't have gotten this much praise
Why are masses so in love with this concept, many popular games of the past were in small hubs
I hated breath of the wild and this game looks like breath of the wild so no wonder review gays are eating it up like the normie homosexuals they are
Why do moronic gays like you constantly say this shit?
>MMMM YES, THANK YOU SEGA FOR THIS HALF-ASSED SHITTY SONIC GAME
What a shock that the kind of homosexual who'd buy a Sonic game at launch and review it within a couple of days would say it's great. I'd estimate ~95% have their Sonic character OC donut steel as their Steam avatar.
>add momentum mod
>instantly goes from 5 to 7/10
Dios mio
What the frick
They made the game control worse on purpose.
Yes because now you remember years ago, people are unironically complaining about momentum. Did you forget that people were always shitting their pants that they can't precisely land sonic on platforms for some reason(which is actually his momentum slightly shooting him off) and they refuse to adapt to it? They simply abide to that to make sure sonic is """precise""" at platforming which made this feel jank
Why would they do that? We will never know
Be fair: Heroes and Shadow are slippery as frick and 06 infamously has wonky controls. The problem was never the momentum.
What mod
Sonic fans were bullied for years because their series is not anymore a rival to Mario
Using open world as an excuse, trying to bury the past and believing this title brought him back on top and back to being a threat to Mario, which he still isn't
The reason is because Mario has consistent good games, he never fell, rose and fell again like Sonic did
You're still not ready to face Mario
> is not anymore a rival to Mario
Hasn't been for 25 years.
well?
Tails eats them. That's why in Sonic 2 when you idle he looks at the screen and gestures towards his mouth, he's telling you he's hungry.
Okay, I'm sorry you Sonic fans have incredibly low standards and are incapable or recognizing an actual good game.
I had no idea the game ran on a custom engine, it looks like a "HIRE THIS MAN" ue4 asset flip lol
wait how the frick did this game manage to get mods in the first place?
isn't denuvo hard to crack or mod capability is due to something else?
it's the same engine as the previous game, Forces, so that should make it easier, no?
oh. that explains a lot
Bro? Literally Hedgehog engine 2? Forces Engine??
Every Sonic game is built on top of the last one.
Forces has been out for five years and had an extensive modding community despite Denuvo.
You figure it out.
Denuvo is a range of products. Some prevent file modification, some only check your license.
It's technically Unleashed's engine too. They've just building on top of it since then. Just somehow they fricked up the physics majorly along the way.
They've been making deliberate adjustments that some people like and some dislike. That's the size of it.
they fricked it up for Lost World
you'd think they'd revert to Generations build after that frickup but no
Sonic died on ith sega consoles, that's the truth sega and fans can't grasp, "mario and sonic at the olympic games" should've clues you in you are looking at a fricking zombie being puppeteered, move on and grow up homosexuals
I like it so far but the menus are fricking atrocious who made these
Sonic has always had terrible UI. The first few games got away with it because they had so little info to convey.
>Open menu
>Have to hit a to confirm I want to go into options when the options are right there and I should be able to just scroll down into them
They should use a new engine or upgrade it if they're really sticking with open-world format
The pop-ins clearly prove this engine isn't utilized for that
That wyvern boss was just pure dbz I love this.
>sonic giant swinging it into a mountain
>sonic grabbing it by the head and using brute force to prevent it from izuna dropping directly onto him
>sonic cramming a bunch of missiles into a ball then booting it at the wyvern's head
>sonic forcing it's jaws open and leading missiles into it's body
That was so kino these bosses are the best in the series.
>ITT: trolls trolling trolls.
sonic frontiers was really the prequel to tails gets trolled
WILL THE WHOOOOOOOOOLE WORLD
KNOW YOOOOOOOOOOUR
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
Can’t wait for the ost to come out on December 7th
next game better have tankier enemies because holy frick
Sonic never left as it never was meant to die
It being Botw lesser brother fits it well
And there we go, A few of Frontier's flaws are now fixed
Let's get to that open zone design
I just found out about this from this thread. I just tried it. And holy frick, the game is a literal 10/10 with it enabled. Why in God's name didn't they ship it like this? If it's easy enough for a modder to add days after release, why the frick couldn't they do it? Playing the Adventure stages actually feels GOOD now.
I might have to fricking replay this whole game with it now. Good God.
Because of the "I couldn't see where I was going, I was moving too fast, Sonic was never good" crowd.
Because Roll-lets can't deal with the speed and say it's bad they couldn't see shit while running downhill and Turnlets couldn't deal with the tight 90 degree turns of the Adventure era.
is there a pop-in fix yet
onegai fund engine development arigato
Absolutely fricking comfy and fun game. The OST is fantastic.
i'm sorry that people have such shit taste in vidya to the point where they think league of legends and skyrim are good games
Same. Oh God, same.
>deluxe edition "mini-OST" only features songs of the first island
laugh at me
Fine, I'm sorry
God damn I feel like they're so close to getting Sonic's movement right. In the open world he feels overall good and the precision movement during Cyloop is great. The jump and stomp could use a bit more work.
But all of this gets thrown out in Cyberspace, also why do they keep removing the drift mechanic now?
Making the 'proper' levels just a completely different feeling of gameplay is a kind of baffling design choice. It feels like a vestigial thing from the Boost gameplay, but they could've just made proper levels with how you play in the open zones, string those disparate obstacles and whatnot together into a coherent level, it can't be that hard. Not every Sonic level has to be a 3D corridor or a 2D branching hallway.
I hope they do that. Especially because there are multiple places in each island where things link up very well. I have a near 3min clip of sonic just zooming from obstacle to obstacle, barely touching the ground. Every rail, spring and booster is so easy to link with an air boost it's really nice.
Will sonic team realize this and build on it though? I don't trust them
That's the main worry, that instead of polishing and improving on what clearly does work, they'll just throw the baby out with the bathwater and do something new again.
I don't trust the people calling it 0/10 dogshit OR the people calling it a 9/10 masterpiece
Game looks horribly average
>looks
Play it you eceleb chugging homosexual
>pay $60 dollars for a game that looks average at best, moron!
No, I don't think I will.
Atleast wait for a discount or something instead, and don't shit on something you haven't even touched
I didnt even shit on it, I said it looked average
I doubt my opinions on the ugly levels and recycled stages are going to change once I play it
>reverse review bomb mediocre game because non-sonic autists gave it a fitting score
user reviews were a mistake
Ok bros give it to me straight, is this actually a good game or not?
It's fun
no
Rough around the edges but fun
Don't buy the $60 dollar price tag tho
it's an IGN 7/10
it's a solid 7/10 game. good and fun, but also noticeably flawed on the edges. this is objectively the common unbiased opinion of it
5/10
any other rating is wrong.
your mom's vegana also looked wrong
yeah, because I fricked it up.
I see you're back squidgay. I've been waiting for you. Go back to playing splatroon. You dont deserve to discuss anything. BTW sonic chads won. Suck a dick.
who? i just liked that image
Yes, just go in with an open mind.
Just try it man, OPEN YOUR HEART DUDDEEE
Where were you when Sticks became canon?
It was several years ago, so I can't remember exactly
you're cooler than this sonic.
He wants to settle down and make a new sanic
Best romance was with knuckles tho.
Never seen so much brojob energy before in a Sonic game.
I don't remember any of this dialogue
There's a ton of idle chatter
Yes, but I've been running around the map and doing every single side-quest and never saw any of these. I think that Anon faked them lmfao
Ian went troo frar
Are you guys okay? Previous japanese writers usually lean in heavily on faith and mystery. Him being aloof most of the time was perfectly in line with sonic's immaturity and free spirited attitude.
FRICK I didn't want it to be real
Thanks for the sauce anon
I thought that one dialogue of Sonic telling Amy to share her love with the world was already obvious enough that he was acknowledging her feelings for once.
What? Sonic isnt supposed to be attached to girls cause he too cool for school. Laaaame
I 100% the game and never ran into the Tangle line but I know it exists.
are these real did he really say that
The gameplay is garbage, the coding is trash, the story is meh, and the characters are okay. The soundtrack, though, holy frick this OST is incredible.
Never thought I would hear metal and screaming in a Sonic game lmao
I REALLY hope this means they don't remake Mania over and over again
You ARE leaving positive reviews on all versions + on steam, right?
unironically agree with this. frick snoygays and trannies
I will not apologize as I was fricking right that the soundtrack was gonna be 10/10.
Is he telling the truth, is there a quest in this game that references the sonic tv shows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6bQjW9KA3c&t=112s
I apologize to myself for giving you $70 for a tech demo, I should have given you $1
Why didn't you get it on another platform?
Why is the soundtrack so fricking good? I wanna buy the 4xLP version but it's sold out!
haha get fricked it's mine now
Is undefeatable the open your heart / live and learn of the game?
Forces was so unbelievably shit people treat a 6/10 as a masterpiece
The problem with Forces is that it was set up to have a more darker story and fricks up the execution in the worst way imaginable. Frontiers didn't frick up on its more dark and somber story, it's just awkward to see and listen to while dealing with callbacks.
Forces' fanfic-tier writing is the least of it's problems. It was mediocre in pretty much every single aspect
>experience X like never before!
How can anyone over the age of 10 play a game with a blue hedgehog with red sneakers spinning like a ball??????
It's fun
When you say it like that, it sounds even cooler.
That sounds more fun than it actually is
>Says the person posting a funny Frog
where's the crack? it's been 4 days
Apologize X2
>60 dollaroonis
wew lad
>Dunkey hates it
IT'S OVER
He praised TLOU2 and shat on Xenoblade 3.
If says literally anything. You should do the opposite of what he tells you.
But xenoblade is an objectively shit series?
he won.
IT'S TIME TO FACE YOUR FEEEEEEEARS
WILL THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW YOUR NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
WHEN WE DANCE WITH DESTIIIIINYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Real talk, they should bring back character creator.
Only if it’s not half assed trash, imagine establishing an interesting artstyle and unique character designs and just tossing it out the window for Sonic Forces.
The OC and BG characters were ugly af in Forces and looked as if they were in a seperate artstyle than Sonic and the gang. Included Boom bc they look like they were done by the same team.
Artist is @hiratai2017
>tfw only 14% of people who played Frontiers beat it
Kek
Here's Xbox's
everyone still stuck on island 3
Is Island 3 the filter for this game?
Unironically yes
That's pretty normal numbers, isn't it? A lot of people will play a game and then drop off after the first session, it happens with most games.
>Apologize.
APOLOGIZE
>No green hill zone in a box
Can I play as Rogue?
I find it extremely difficult to believe that Sonic 06, Heroes, the adventure games, Colors, Lost World, and Unleashed all take place in the same continuity like this game seems to imply
magic can't change the world?
The Official Sonic Twitter did say: “Everything is Canon”
Can anyone retake this image in better quality?
Or maybe artists can redraw it and Sage makes a Height Joke on Sonic?
I can AI art it if you want. Sage when she sees that anon is a manlet
This gonna sound crazy, A.I Elise? Show all the results that the A.I provides
>This gonna sound crazy, A.I Elise? Show all the results that the A.I provides
I can try to add Elise in it? Why Elise btw? I am showing off how to do AI and set it up live btw if you want to learn or give more direct suggestions.
I won't do anything sexual with AI Sage eggman will kill me.
Here is one of my best Elise tell me what you think?
ZAMN! The A.I never disappoints thanks A.I Chad!
Prompts? Because I can't believe the AI actually knows "Princess Elise from Sonic 06". Did you just do 1000 iterations of "Booba redhead in white dress"?
I'm sorry Amy isn't sitting on my face.
what are you guys gonna ask sonic
>Shadow
Why he isnt even in the game!
He's gonna be in the DLC
Frick off I’d rather Blaze be in Frontiers, Blaze was very underutilized in the 2010s (aside from being spin-off fodder) while Shadow got his own damn episode in Forces.
Could not agree more. tldr: Amy and Silver gays will never let her be anything more than a background character like she was in 06 and generations ever again.
Silver self insert gays will never let her go and be a Shadow/Knuckles level friendly rival character thanks to them needing Blaze to be anchored by the fat homosexual lard of weight that is Silver.
Blaze's best supporting cast would be Marine, Cream, Sonic, Johnny, Vanilla. A Blaze team with her as a speed character, Marine power, and Cream flight is perfect. She is much more Cream's friend than Amy ever was.
You can tell she is an amazing character because all the Amy-troonys try to boost their shitty character recently by pushing the idea that she is gay with Amy. The ending of Sonic Rush and all of Rush Adventure still lives free in their minds.
She's a Princess of her nation and Sonic's equal why is she even attached to Silver?
Fun well known fact that Sonic Rush and 06 were developed at the same time and Elise was SUPPOSED to be Blaze. But because of Rush releasing first and having her story be so different they had to switch from her being the main princess in 06 quickly but they all ready had the model for Blaze and she was so well received they had to stick her somewhere and that's how we got what got.
Both have:
>Flame curses
>Serious because of their past
>Hard time making friends
>Sonic opens them up
>Princesses
>And more similarities
>Sonic Rush and 06 were developed at the same time and Elise was SUPPOSED to be Blaze. But because of Rush releasing first and having her story be so different they had to switch from her being the main princess in 06 quickly
That doesn't make any sense. If both games were being made at the same time and heavily revolved around using the same character, why would they end up having to work around the inconsistencies of her origins in each game? Sonic Team had enough internal communication to know they wanted use Blaze in both Rush and 06, but not enough to make sure that her backstory was consistent between the two projects?
As you may know. 06 had a very troubled development with Microsoft forcing them to release early and them loosing months of work when multiple builds and their data got deleted and Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series. I used to be a game Dev and I'll tell you Japan Game Devs cross company does not have much communication outside of a few initial and check in meetings.
Essentially Japan's cross company development is to blame for Blaze's weird introduction/lore in 06.
>Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sonic Team were the main designers behind the Rush games (a Sonic Team dev was even the project's director), with Dimps mainly serving as grunt workers. They didn't just hand Blaze off to Dimps, Sonic Team deliberately handled how Blaze was utilized in each game.
She was never planned for Elise's role.
Aw you really don't know what you are talking about. Very Sad
>get factually proven wrong
>uh you don't know what you're talking about
>As you may know. 06 had a very troubled development with Microsoft forcing them to release early and them loosing months of work when multiple builds and their data got deleted and Dimps are the people who made the Rush Series. I used to be a game Dev and I'll tell you Japan Game Devs cross company does not have much communication outside of a few initial and check in meetings.
>Essentially Japan's cross company development is to blame for Blaze's weird introduction/lore in 06.
>>gays
>One or the other.
>Maybe you are confused with the Amy troony fandom trying to homosexual up any character to prop up their shitty Minnie mouse character who's character dynamic is in constant flux thanks to everyone recognizing her pointlessness beyond being the pink/girl character of the cast when other girl characters exist.
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>Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS
I love how you describe just one of many examples of the Sonic series being a mess from the top down, setting aside how shit 06 turned out to be in general, and then claim "Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS" like that's an insult. Who in their right mind would be a fan of this inconsistent shit series without reservation or without singling one certain thing they like about the series (a character that might ACTUALLY have a chance to be featured prominently in the next game, tv show or comic book) and leaving it at that?
Just Blazegays and their headcanons
>Blaze
>gays
One or the other.
Maybe you are confused with the Amy troony fandom trying to homosexual up any character to prop up their shitty Minnie mouse character who's character dynamic is in constant flux thanks to everyone recognizing her pointlessness beyond being the pink/girl character of the cast when other girl characters exist.
Amy troonys are NOT SOINCHADS
>maybe if I spout buzzwords no one will realize I'm wrong
Where proofs?
I'm mean they're lore is similar, up to similarities in they're country names, and what soleanna has very similar gems to sol emeralds. But there's still no proof.
Could it be, what it just was supposed to be like that?
God she deserves so much better than 06 and Silver
> Sonic fans' fav female character
> She's the tard wrangler / sexual relief support cat of a naive autistic frickup
She's popular because Silver is the easiest selfinsert for Sonic fans lmao
> She's the tard wrangler / sexual relief support cat of a naive autistic frickup
Yeah. A cat is fine too.
Why are Blazetards so delusional to the point they think their waifu deserves special treatment no character has gotten since 06? The absolute most we've gotten since was a pathetic Shadow DLC in Forces.
because sage is kinda dead
Somebody didn't play on hard mode.
hence kinda, they wouldn't be able to bring her back for the twitter thing yet
shadow would've jobbed to those titans
Do we need to go over the score?
>All SA2 confrontations came out as basically a tie
>Shadow's canon route in his own game never has him fight Sonic
>Yeah he beats up Sonic in 06 but frick 06
>Boom is a different continuity
>So is X
>Trying to send me to Minecraft, huh? Well, I'll send you to Fortnite instead!
shadow would've have dunked on them without going super
why wasn't sage invited
eggman doesn't want the live chat being flooded with people UUUOOOOOOOOOHHHing over his daughter
Because Sonic beats up little girls and Shadow stole her candy.
>sonic gays slobber over their goyslop
>apologize
no
Nooooooo! Stop talking and liking Frontiers!!!
You have to only talk about GOW or Pokemon!
Why does no one care about the new GOW?!
Goyslop! Goyslop! Do I fit in now?!
This isn't the 2010s anymore hating Sonic doesn't make you fit in or cool bro, go back to listening to Youtubers for your opinions and being scared to non-ironically like things.
Typical persecution complex. You don't like something your so obsessed! Frick off to Black persontown you homosexual.
>someone shit talks his game
>brings up gow out of nowhere
>somehow this doesn't make him obsessed
okay gay, keep being a good little bandwagoner
>Nooooooo! Stop talking and liking Frontiers!!!
But I never said that. OP asked for me to apologize which I said no to
>You have to only talk about GOW or Pokemon!
What does either have to do with Sonic?
>Why does no one care about the new GOW?!
Have never purchased or played a GoW unironically
>Goyslop! Goyslop! Do I fit in now?!
3D Sonic games have always been semi-decent, mediocre or outright garbage.
>This isn't the 2010s anymore hating Sonic doesn't make you fit in or cool bro
Sonic fanbase has always been a laughing stock even in the mid-late 2000's. Shadow having a gun and Sonic 06 were testaments that its a franchise only held up by the uber autistic.
>go back to listening to Youtubers for your opinions and being scared to non-ironically like things.
Opinion was formed about Sonic since I was a teen in the early 2000's.
Sticksbros, she's now canon outside of Boom. We won
No fair, when i make an thread about what went wrong with an game (MGSV), it only gets 8 replies but when this butthole makes an thread threatening game reviewers it gets over 400+ replies
Nobody cares about Kojima's fanfic. Not only am I halfway convinced he's mostly plagiarizing other stuff, he doesn't even mention the israelites!
>denuvo
no lol, I won't pay 40€ for it
>40
fine, 48€ still too expensive
You're-a-peeing
>muh e-girl
>muh story
>muh music
so basically the gameplay is shit
I just beat the first boss, it's a lot of fun. I'm happy for sonicgays, they finally have a proper modern game
I'm happy you're enjoying it, man.
And thank you.
Okay
This really doesn't fit Sonic. This sounds more like a Shadow track.
I discovered this by accident: you can actually one-hit Tower by waiting for it to perform the drill attack, then parkour up the body, and bounce-slamming the head
good for you, anon
this is required for one of the mandatory chaos emerald sidequests and I failed it like 5 times before accidentally figuring it out
>yfw
>drains your ring count
interesting, but should be easily doab-
>hits you while you're at 380 rings, makes you spill all of them and then instantly kills you
oh
>no chao garden
>enclosed levels are still boost shit
I have nothing to apologize for
Surely chao garden will be dlc when one of the two people who made the chao garden in SA2 is the game's lead director.
who am i kidding sonic team hates its fans
A mobile chao garden would literally be free money from sonic autists and normalgays alike and I have no idea how sega hasn't done it yet
If sega wanted to make money they wouldn't have done any of what they did over the last 15 years or so.
its shit, the god has spoken, you lost frontier babies.