Are there any books or bits of dialogue from Gue'vesa that talk about how they feel about their role as race traitors to humanity?

Are there any books or bits of dialogue from Gue'vesa that talk about how they feel about their role as race traitors to humanity? The Gue'vesa mindset isn't something that gets touched on much, especially compared to Chaos, and I'm curious what motivates them.

  1. 1 month ago
    Vorl Hype

    Humanity is not the Imperium. The idea that the two are interchangeable is Imperium propaganda.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Without the Imperium, humanity would've gone extinct. That's the simple fact of the setting, there's no two ways around it. If you want to be pro-human, you have to be pro-Imperium.

      • 1 month ago
        Vorl Hype

        The Interrex were doing fine before the Emperor fucked them.
        Read between the lines, you twit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If the Emperor was able to defeat the Interex, they would've been defeated by the Tyrannids/Orks/Necrons eventually anyways. There was no room for xeno-loving pacifistic freedom-having weakness in humanity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Tyranids only came because the Imperial Civil war called the Horus Heresy light up a beacon to signal for them to come.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought it was that the Astronomicon was a giant "FOOD THIS WAY" sign to the tyranids.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Tyranids only came because the Imperial Civil war called the Horus Heresy light up a beacon to signal for them to come.

                Common Imperial centric world view rationalizing their truth as the only causation. It's much more likely that the Old Ones developed in a "Kill Switch" with the Orks wherein their gradual degeneration from Krorks moved them from an elevated technologically dependent bioweapon race to a more psychically reliant degenerate mob. The resultant Waaagh Hive Mind's psychic signature acted as the moldy dinner bell for the Tyranids to roll through the system as a final Fuck You in the event the Necrons won the War in Heaven. The Ork is basically the substrate for the Tyranid swarm to feed and grow upon in a synergistic fashion to gradually overwhelm the Necrons or at the very least make their future reclamation of the galaxy as big a bitch to prosecute as possible. Had the Old Ones won the War In Heaven the easy out for the Krork problem would be an engineered genophage that they, being their creators, would have no problem crafting.

                Tying this back onto the Gue'vesa you see two major points. First and foremost the Eldar export only version of their Path system is realized in the Tau'va creating the rigid detachment and singular purpose necessary to scrub the potential bed of chaotic emotional attachment from any species that is absorbed into the T'au Empire. Secondly their proliferation of mass produced, heavy duty (S5+) weaponry that can be tossed out to any loyal species that can mount the weapon system making them a direct threat to any Ork/Chaos/Tyranid enemy they come up against. The Eldar created the T'au as their trojan horse to Final Solution everyone else in the galaxy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Astro's light stops short just a bit before the galactic borders, you numbnuts. That's why areas like the Halo Stars and the Eastern Fringes are hard to navigate.

                May be so, however selling out to become subservient cattle to the tau ain't it either.

                In practice the Imperium is the only non-chaos faction to have humans within its highest echelons of leadership and is therefore the only faction that best represents humanities interest.

                The Imperium cares not for the common human/man. The leadership is disconnected from those they rule.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does the warp extend beyond the galaxy? You'd probably be able to sense that it exists from farther than you'd be able to use it to navigate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think Macharius' lore says that past a certain point the Astronomicon becomes faint and difficult to use to navigate, and that Macharius wanted to conquer outside our galaxy, but they'd essentially be flying blind.
                So, the Astronomicon definitely only covers our Galaxy, but warp travel outside our galaxy seems possible but stupidly more dangerous even without anything like warp storms around.

                >The Gue'vesa so far haven't been characterized as much better than edgy revolutions on par with chaos cultists by people such as Cain.
                There is also a third or fourth generation Gue'vesa in the diplomatic party at the start of The Greater Good, which is the ninth Cain novel. She's not featured past the first couple chapters but she's there.
                Incidentally, she's much more normal, basically a stertypical Japanese OL.

                Neat! I haven't read that Cain novel yet. I read them a bit out of order because of the order I downloaded them in.
                I think the ones I still need to read are
                >The Greater Good
                >The Bigger They Are
                >The Only Good Ork
                >Old Soldiers Never Die

                >I wonder what militia/resistance fighters loyal to the Imperium would look like and how they would be characterized.
                Probably like the edgy teenagers and school-shooter types that run off to join ISIS.

                Reminds me of the Gue'vesa terrorists and murderers in The Traitor's Gambit. Very 'equitable' treatment of prisoners and civilians by the enlightened Gue'vesa lol.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Reminds me of the Gue'vesa terrorists and murderers in The Traitor's Gambit.
                Eh, it's pretty understandable tbh, a lot of the Imperium citizens are basically like hyper-fundamentalist muslims and pretty much incapable of being reformed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Totally, I agree with that 100%. I like that one HH novel where it takes literally one Alpha Legion baseline-human agent to make an entire Agri-world go full civil war over whether they should align with Horus or the Emperor.
                People are very prone to violence in 40k and real life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i always assumed that the warp is everywhere but that it's worse locally because of what's happening in the galaxy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm pretty sure that the Warp technically exists everywhere but since it's a reflection of the thoughts and emotions of living things it'd be pretty much nonexistent beyond the galactic rim. I know one of the potential ways for the Necrons to cut off the galaxy from the Warp is to kill every other sentient race and starve Chaos to death until the warp is calm again, so I'd assume that's basically what the Warp looks beyond the edge of the galaxy. Just a flat, calm, barren, impassable wasteland.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Warp technically exists everywhere, but beyond the Milky Way it's a lifeless barren waste due to the lack of sentient thoughts to start filling it up for good or ill. The reason it's such a festering hellscape within the galaxy is because the galaxy is a fucking shithole.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. The Horus Heresy novels make literally everything the Emperor's fault.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As they should. Implying that humanity is weak and helpless and can't solve it's own problems without big daddy Emperor coming to fix them for us is as anti-HFY as you can get.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they would've been defeated by the Tyrannids/Orks/Necrons eventually anyways

            That doesn't sound much different than the current scenario the Imperium is facing anyway. Isn't the Imperium's only hope against the Tyranids to give literally everything in the galaxy capable of holding a lasgun a weapon and then hoping that they can kill at least 10 Tyranids before they die?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The Emperor fucked them
          I was not aware that Erebus was the Emperor. The only reason the Interex and Horus came into conflict was due to the theft of the Anathame by a literal Chaos worshiping traitor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Imperium would've inevitably destroy the Interex anyways, they had xenos living alongside them as equals, and thus were traitors to humanity.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Probably but not the point. The fact that diplomacy was under way and this was back when Horus actually wasn't a braindead manchild, its possible something could've been done. That being said, yeah, they probably would've either undergone a complete restructuring of their empire or been obliterated anyway.

              [...]
              Don't forget the Diasporex either, another group of human race traitors who had lived peacefully alongside xenos and refused to leave their side when the Imperium arrived to annex them.

              Ferrus Manus cannot into diplomacy, more news at 9. That being said, this is starting to get more into the competing ideology of the Imperium against other species, and ultimately boils down to the question, "Do you believe the Emperor is right?"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Let’s not treat the Interex and Diasporex as a failure if diplomacy, there was only one outcome the emperor would accept, “You WILL be annexed, and you WILL kill all of your xenos.” That it. There’s no alternatives to be had, and if they wouldn’t take the offer that’s on them for being traitors to their own species

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It was a failure of diplomacy no matter how you square it. The Imperium had the overwhelming ability to crush both, and they knew it, and still chose to fight. The Interex could have even convinced Horus that it was possible to assimilate subservient xenos races, if the Interex had not come to the conclusion that the Imperium was an agent of Chaos. The Diasporex chose certain death when they chose to fight Manus, and knew it. But they had the choice. Whether you think it was a fair choice doesn't matter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The Interex could have even convinced Horus that it was possible to assimilate subservient xenos races
                That would have made Horus a renegade disobeying the commands of the Emperor. All of the xenos had to die, there was no two ways around it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Emperor was a known hypocrite even if no one would openly admit it. He was against all religion, except for the Mechanicum. He was against all xenos, except the Jokaero. He was a psyker himself, yet effectively banned Librariand and any use of psychic powers beyond Navigators because of Magnus' fuckup, except for Russ' super special wolf priests who definitely weren't sorcerers we swear. If you think that he couldn't have changed his mind on this, you're wrong. Emps did what he did whenever it benefited his plan for mankind, and if anyone questioned him the go-to response was, "You will understand in time why this was the right decision."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are asimilated xenos in Imperium.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No there aren’t.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We'd have to ask the more fundamental question about his competence first.

                As in "If he isn't right, can he at least make it work??", which he could not.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they had xenos living alongside them as equals
              That's also the case with the Imperium. Always has, in fact, at least to the extent anyone can claim equality within it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Imperium has a "kill on sight" policy with xenos, they don't allow any to live alongside them as equals, let alone live at all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Imperium has a "kill on sight" policy with xenos, they don't allow any to live alongside them as equals, let alone live at all.

                Yes and no - it really depends on the xenos and the region.

                Frontier regions or porously settled space like the old Koronus Expanse often had xenos mercs and traders operate in black and gray markets in unofficial capacities, and Rogue Traders have often retained aliens to work with them or for them as they see fit. Races like the Kroot and Stryxis are often seen in the fringes of society in small numbers, as long as they remain useful - always a good thing to have some expendable cats paws on hand you can use to fuck up a rival, and aliens always seem to know where to find some real good shit to sell to wealthy aristocrats.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Frontier regions or porously settled space like the old Koronus Expanse often had xenos mercs and traders operate in black and gray markets in unofficial capacities, and Rogue Traders have often retained aliens to work with them or for them as they see fit. Races like the Kroot and Stryxis are often seen in the fringes of society in small numbers, as long as they remain useful - always a good thing to have some expendable cats paws on hand you can use to fuck up a rival, and aliens always seem to know where to find some real good shit to sell to wealthy aristocrats.
                Okay but it should be understood this only happens not because it's official Imperium policy but because these places are barely integrated into the Imperium in the first place, there's a reason they're so easy to sway into joining the Tau Empire.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Imperium would've inevitably destroy the Interex anyways, they had xenos living alongside them as equals, and thus were traitors to humanity.

            Don't forget the Diasporex either, another group of human race traitors who had lived peacefully alongside xenos and refused to leave their side when the Imperium arrived to annex them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If they couldn't avoid getting fucked by the emperor, then they wouldn't have survived everything else either.

          • 1 month ago
            Vorl Hype

            …what Everything Else?
            The Orks are such a non-threat that the fucking Tau can fight them off; the Tyranids only showed up because of the Astronomicon; Chaos would be much weaker (and have less servants) without the Imperium constantly vomiting war, decay, and excess (nobility) across the galaxy; Craftworld Eldar and Necrons can be negotiated with, so that leaves, what, some fucking inter-dimensional butt-pirates with no interest in wiping out humanity (DE)?

            Face it, 40k is only such a hellhole because the Imperium (and the Eldar empire before them) is so awful.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Orkz are a non-threat
              So we're just going to forget Ullanor, the Beast, and everything that's happened with Armageddon, huh?
              >Necrons can be negotiated with
              Some of them can. You've still got plenty like Imhotep who do not negotiate and are here to kill, and those are arguably the majority of the ones who still have their minds.
              >Dark Eldar
              Even if they don't want to wipe anyone out, they're arguably one of the worst factions to deal with, something the Tau know firsthand, and actively make hundreds of worlds living hellscapes.
              >Tyranids are only here because of the Astronomicon
              Debatable, but I don't know enough about the nids to argue it, so I'll give it to you.

              • 1 month ago
                Vorl Hype

                You bet I’m going to forget everything that happened in fucking novels, and Armageddon doesn’t change the fact that the Orks haven’t managed to wipe out the Tau yet.
                As for the ‘crons they’re fundamentally not presented as a galaxy-level threat.
                I’m not saying DE aren’t horrible (they are), just that they’re not gonna be bringing down interstellar civilizations.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean t that point we may as well throw out the Diasporex and Interex cause they're just plot devices for the HH, and run solely off of the Codexes. Which are just pure propaganda for whoever they're printed for.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The were bait left by the Chaos gods. Just storing a bunch of daemon weapons under lock and key in a museum, and nothing bad ever happens? Very convenient.

          • 1 month ago
            Vorl Hype

            Yeah, man, you just jack off all you like to how unstoppable Chaos is and how the Chaos gods totally have a master plan even though that goes against their fundamental nature.
            Meanwhile the rest of us, who remember how that kind of thinking ultimately led GW to first rig Storm of Chaos and later blow up Warhammer Fantasy, will be sitting over here enjoying 40k as it actually exists.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They literally were just one Dark Eldar or Ork raid away from destruction considering how little it took to bring them down.
          Also, they literally kept chaos relics on public display that any bozo could just steal.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They resisted a tyranid hive fleet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Listen to the Emperor. He know what's best for you, you'll go extinct without him! Your free civilization is helpless and weak!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Humanity WAS helpless and weak before the God-Emperor showed up. They were literally on the verge of extinction.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were literally on the verge of extinction

            No, humans *on Earth* were on the verge of extinction. Humanity as a whole, already spread out across the galaxy, was doing just fine.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Was there any other human civilization in Warhammer 40k other than the Imperium that could've withstood the Beast?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imperial propoganda is so effective it even works on real world secondaries

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >implying the average joe on the ground has any idea about galactic scale issues
        >implying the average joe on the ground even knows more then 2 xenos species max
        >implying the average joe even knows what the planet next door looks like
        Imperial cope

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn’t matter what the average Joe knows. The average mutant probably doesn’t know that he’s an abomination, but he has to die nonetheless for being a stain on the pure human form.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >does the average gue´vesa feel like a race traitor?
            >explain why the average gue´vesa would not
            >WTF, the opinion of the average gue´vesa doesn't count. Its about some meta stuff!
            Reading comprehension, anon. Reading comprehension.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Without the Imperium, humanity would've gone extinct.
        More propaganda.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Explain how humanity would survive the age of strife without the Great Crusade

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How is this relevant to the worldview of some generic human in the Tau empire? He or she wont know shit about any of that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There are still worlds inhabited by humans that have never before been contacted by the Imperium, ergo humanity has survived regardless of the Great Crusade.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They are alive because Chaos is focusing on the Imperium. Why would they bother attacking some fags when the empire who wants to obliterate you is still there?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The knight codex proves that the imperium is gay shit and giant robot feudalism is the superior way of life.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              based imperial knight poster. Titantowns never get 'nidded

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are still human worlds in the 41st millennium that never had contact with the Imperium and are still being rediscovered and "reintegrated" (read: forcefully annexed)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By becoming Squats.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HH fags were a mistake.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bruh what the fuck do you think the Kin are? Squats are by definition abhumans.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Squats are by definition abhumans.
          The Imperium literally doesn't know whether to call them abhumans or xenos thanks to their fucked up, fabricated, inhuman biology.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They’re a race of bio engineered clones, which the imperium would definitely views in general as lesser beings if they couldn’t cut stomp them in a fight

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is their codex out? I don't play 40k, but I'm interested in reading their lore.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, although all their rules got leaked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        With the Imperium humanity will go extinct over countless milenna.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Without the Imperium, humanity would've gone extinct
        Humanity isn't worth saving and the emperor was wrong in trying to do so. The imperium in general is a totalitarian hellhole and humanity fuels the chaos ''gods''

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Humanity isn't worth saving
          Get the fuck out.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It isn't, and the imperium isn't either.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What do you get out of giving up on yourself and your species? It would be better to die trying to save something, even if it's broken and doomed, then die whinging about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The humans in 40k are not recognizable as my species. Everything that makes life worth living has been ground into the mud in 40k.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What do you get out of giving up on yourself and your species? It would be better to die trying to save something, even if it's broken and doomed, then die whinging about it.
                Then we'll die trying to save those Xeno blokes that didn't treat us like livestock!
                I'd rather take a bullet for them than another stamp of your fucking ferrule ya cunt!

                The humans in 40k are not recognizable as my species. Everything that makes life worth living has been ground into the mud in 40k.

                >Everything that makes life worth living has been ground into the mud in 40k.
                EXACTLY!
                The REST of us ain't no Planetary Governor's Son, aw naw!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >MY RULE
                DUDE
                THOSE ARE NOT FUCKING IMPERIALS IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does the average imperial citizen get by defending it? apart from lifelong servitude chained to some worktop in a manufactorum, and you wonder why people get tempted by chaos and fall to it even if chaos is just as evil.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >MY RULE
                DUDE
                THOSE ARE NOT FUCKING IMPERIALS IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE

                ARE THESE FUCKING IMPERIALS TO YOU???

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you made no indication your were really referencing the space dwarves, my point still stands, the imperium is a shithole for the average prole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The picture to the post you responded too was a different fucking faction.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uglier than ogryn and half as bright

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You haven't seen the average imperial citizen have you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw will never be a manic flagellant with wires in my head
                Why live?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't look like flagellants in that pick, don't they run around half naked with whips for hands.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those are Archflagellants. Regular flagellants are just madmen whipping themselves.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imperial citizens are not humans as we would understand them. There is nothing to be gained in defending them and for most, death would be a mercy compared to what the Imperium does to them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Without the Imperium, there wouldn't be 10 legions of 8 foot tall spiky guys roaming the galaxy, tyranids wouldn't be making a beeline for the milky way and there wouldn't be a permanent warp portal on Earth.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Without the Imperium the Chaos Gods would have just done with every planet in the galaxy what they did with Mallus in WFB, and even if they wouldn't have bothered with this reality the Waaagh! Beast would have wiped out humanity 1500 years after the Fall. Or the Necrons would have just enslaved humanity as there would have not been a central power to keep throwing armies at them in order to contain them.

          Really anon, the main Rulebooks, which overwrite anything your fav woke BL writer no matter how good you think he can write, or the PR team attempting to firefight some incident in Spain done by your average retard 4chanack, make it absolutely clear the Imperium, for all its faults, is the only thing which stands between humankind and doom.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A million worlds was cut of from the rest of humanity for thousand of years and many did just fine without the Imperium. There are still many worlds that just chill around and pay their tithe as to be left in peace.

        But sure keep your head canon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They hated him because he spoke the truth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what motivates them
      Lies, mostly.

      Wrong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Humanity is not the Imperium. The idea that the two are interchangeable is Imperium propaganda.

      >what motivates them
      Lies, mostly.

      Wrong.

      >wrong

      Well then it's even easier - you can't be a race traitor to humanity if you aren't part of humanity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very true. The technobarbarians were kino and replaced by deus vultards, a damnable shame.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      objectively correct

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      another idiot that got greatergoodpilled. The tau are destined for failing, even if they got tech of the level of the Imperium, they have laughable souls, so once chaos sets their eyes on them they are fucked. Almost no tech can beat chaos, only the necrons (who were a civ with millions of years of tech advanced than any other of the setting) can keep chaos from leaking, but not destroy their gods or even their demons, at most they can banish the demons to the warp.
      Humanity was supposed to become the strongest race, the average human being a better psyker than an Eldar, but the project has taken a backseat as The Emperor is not there to guide humanity

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Almost no tech can beat chaos, only the necrons
        Bullshit, the Endymine Cordat were literal whos that had managed anti-daemon technology and when they offered it to the Imperium, it responded by nigh-exterminating their species and destroying every trace of it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no tech can beat chaos, only the necrons
          >Bullshit, the Endymine Cordat were literal whos that had managed anti-daemon technology
          Yeah, Chaos Wankers don't seem to grasp that Strength in the Warp is literally more Metaphorical in nature.
          Think of the Warp Gods less like Abrahamic Omni-beings and more like V-tubers; Their Memetic Influence far outstrips their actual output, but the followings they gather are far more effective at getting things done anyways.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't get me wrong, I like Chaos in the same way I like the Imperium, for what it is. An entire setting of reprehensible, vile, and terrifically terrible genocidal juntas masquerading as states, if that, going at each other's throats because everyone sane has long since been exterminated or only recently emerged. It's campy, it's fun, and I like that. I don't like GW because they clearly don't have any interest in their own IP outside of gutting it but as a loose framework, it can be entertaining.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >as a loose framework, it can be entertaining.
              Yeah, which is why I love to be literal with the V-tuber Idol goddess angle; I mean the Warp Gods of 40k would totally fit in with the crazy lore shit a Hoe-boive generation gets, and Yagoo probably would be capable of uplifting these sad, pathetic beings.
              Just give them a Cute Girl Avatar and BOOM!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't Satanael basically Slaanesh?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Isn't Satanael basically Slaanesh?
                I'm not familiar, but considering how many Vtubers are Yabai...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >at most they can banish the demons to the warp.
        The necrons can trap daemons in tesseracts forever too, but killing or imprisoning individual daemons is pointless, a new daemon just gets made from the dispersed energy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >even if they got tech of the level of the Imperium, they have laughable souls, so once chaos sets their eyes on them they are fucked
        You do realize that having weaker souls makes them STRONGER against Chaos, right? Chaos EATS souls, being a bigger meal is a BAD thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking wrong, moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had no argument against this, merely claiming he is wrong.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      May be so, however selling out to become subservient cattle to the tau ain't it either.

      In practice the Imperium is the only non-chaos faction to have humans within its highest echelons of leadership and is therefore the only faction that best represents humanities interest.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In practice the Imperium is the only non-chaos faction to have humans within its highest echelons of leadership
        In practice the Tau do as well, there are Gue'vesa in the Tau Elemental Council which is basically their equivalent to the High Lords, second only to the Emperor/Ethereal Council themselves, and since the Emperor can only barely be called human in the first place they're about on par with the Imperium in that regard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up GAY'vesa heretic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how they feel about their role as race traitors
    They probably don't feel like race traitors, on account of not having betrayed their race. HTH.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're fighting against the Imperium of MAN, and against the God Emperor of MANKIND, all in service to a xeno race. They are de facto traitors to their own species.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My ancestors fought against the holy roMAN emperor and last I checked they were still human.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can be an anti-human human, there are people who hate their own species.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, not really. I mean it's possible but most misanthropy is idle, it's not something people act on or invest themselves in, they just grumble. It's far more likely that a pompous political entity will accuse you of being anti-human, because that's what pompous political entities do, they take credit for things that aren't theirs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They're fighting against the Imperium of MAN, and against the God Emperor of MANKIND, all in service to a xeno race. They are de facto traitors to their own species.

        "We are fighting for the greater good, to liberate our fellow humans from slavery to a corpse-god.

        You can't PR that into a treason charge that anybody would believe except those who have been propagandized into unthinking subservience."

        is how I imagine they would answer that accusation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And how do they justify working with xenos? How can you claim to be pro-human when you allow aliens to dwell among you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >And how do they justify working with xenos? How can you claim to be pro-human when you allow aliens to dwell among you?

            Is that what you would respond with if you were transported to them? Or is that a question you're actually asking IRL on Ganker?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >How can you claim to be pro-human when you allow aliens to dwell among you?
            You like Grox meat Anon?
            'Cuz Grox aren't an ancient Terran Lifeform...

            Generally, fucking elated.
            Yeah some are on hormone blockers, meditative therapies and all, because the Sept they joined is stricter on how people must follow the Tau'va in behavior, but many worlds and septs do not chemically castrate and numb the humans under their bounds.
            And even then, ask practically any of them, even the most drugged and medically suffering of those humans, the ones getting migraines and seizures and who struggle to feel happy, and they'll still generally tell you that they're pretty damn happy to have joined the Greater Good.

            Because effectively, it's like jumping from 40k, into Halo. Yeah the perils in the galaxy do not change, but you're in a dynamic and improving republic with good tech, good improvements, a diverse community, and you're all working to a genuinely philosophically moral goal. The coalition has its head on straight, there's clear order, and you aren't expendable outside truly dire circumstances. As in, ones that will make the history books tier dire.
            Yeah there's wiggle room for corruption with Ethereals and all, and sometimes this goal means suffering, but even at its worst, life in the Tau'va still means two hots and a cot, chances to wash, be educated, make friends, advance in life, and being able to get up in the morning and know that your contributions are making a difference, instead of just hoping it.

            That is why the Tau are such a significant threat for being so small. Their base tech level is unhindered, advancing, and already very high performance. Their doctrines in war and in life are similarly unhindered and high performance. But just as bad as both of those, living there is just so favourable to 98% of anyone in the Imperium, people can't afford to know just how much better it would be for them.
            Yeah, a lot of humans do feel sad about it, and ashamed for their race. But these feelings oft only strengthen resolve to bring the light of the Tau'va to more of humanity.
            That, is the threat the Tau pose.

            >That is why the Tau are such a significant threat for being so small. Their base tech level is unhindered, advancing, and already very high performance. Their doctrines in war and in life are similarly unhindered and high performance. But just as bad as both of those, living there is just so favourable to 98% of anyone in the Imperium, people can't afford to know just how much better it would be for them.
            >That, is the threat the Tau pose.

            >The Tau are a threat to the Imperium because they're better morally
            Holy shit you're right.

            >>The Tau are a threat to the Imperium because they're better morally
            Now if we could only gift them with gigantic Tau Titty Cau Mommy Milkers...

            Fairly well. They don't get whipped or branded, they don't get left behind as "acceptable losses," they get enough to eat, and much better than corpse starch.

            The downside is that eventually a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vesa, and their powers mistaken for insanity, or a Tau engineer will try to replicate an Imperium warp drive, and they will rip open a warp portal right in the heart of the empire. But that might not happen for centuries, and you'll be happy and safe with a full belly in the meantime.

            >The downside is that eventually a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vesa, and their powers mistaken for insanity, or a Tau engineer will try to replicate an Imperium warp drive, and they will rip open a warp portal right in the heart of the empire.
            If only we could gift them with some kind of gigantic Tau Titty Cau Mommy Milkers Mind-Science Construct to stabilize the local Vash'aun'an, perhaps some sort of personification of the Tau'va...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Using the name of your species for your state doesnt make you the accepted representation of such. Claiming to be the emperor of all mankind doesnt make you one.

        This is elementary school level stuff, anon

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People's Republic of China.
          It's a republic. That means democracy.
          It's in the name!

          Yeah. The imperium of man is propaganda down to the name.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's just because the Tau have a better sales pitch. Chaos doesn't, half the chaos sales pitch is "Your life is already shit", so we spend more effort on the motivations of chaos.

    I also wonder if they're afraid to disturb the moral ambiguity of the Tau, i.e. they don't want to portray the Gue'vesa as too heroic or too wretched, either would piss people off.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You see a bit of it in the first Caiphas Cain novel, the Tau sympathizers view the Imperium as a distant oppressor which came to their planet to make their lives harder and shorter.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which isn't even an inaccurate view really. The Imperium knows and acknowledges that it is a regime that deals primarily in human life and sacrifices billions on the daily to ensure the survival of the whole. The question is A. Is the Imperium's behavior necessary and B. If it is how long would it take for the consequences of NOT doing it this way to show.

      That's probably the biggest hurdle when it comes to stopping planets from defecting to the Tau, the galaxy is a big place and the consequences of a planet defecting might not be felt by that planet until long after everyone on it has died from old age. How exactly do you convince a people of a threat so far off that their grandkids may not feel its effects? The Tau offer a better life in the hear and now and as far as the people are concerned the only real consequence comes from the Imperium itself and not any of the things they're holding back.

      In the long view the Tau are an even riskier gamble then the Imperium when it comes to the survival of the human species, considering their smaller size and inevitable confrontation with the Psyker problem. But we're talking on the scale of thousands of years here and the average person/planet is just not going to think that long term, assuming they even have enough information to realize it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In the long view the Tau are an even riskier gamble then the Imperium

        If you want humans to survive then you want as many humans as possible in as many factions as possible. Period. You want chaos humans, you want human-descended 'nids, you want gue'vesa, you want humans being played like banjos on the off chance that some dark eldar might decide to do something interesting with its genes.

        This is the point in the conversation where pro-imperium brainlets start insisting that humans deserve more than just survival. lol.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You want as many humans in as many factions as possible
          Oh of course! I'm so glad someone else agre-
          >As Genestealer Cultists, Chaos Cultists, or Drukhari playthings
          All of the things you describe as 'survival' are literally not that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It literally is survival. That's my point. Genestealers] cultists seem kinda disposable, but if you can influence the 'nids to incorporate human traits into their superorganism in any way then you are promoting the survival of the species. Have you read All Tomorrows yet? Spoiler warning: humans survive.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you lose everything you are, and the meat that was you is still walking around, that isn't survival. Dinosaurs do not walk the earth just because Chickens are still around. A man who gets turned into a servitor is for all intents and purposes, dead. His flesh is just being used. Chaos, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar do not offer survival in anything but the most technical sense of the word. They offer subversion, a different, more cruel form of death.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                Is becoming a Zombie 'surviving'?
                After all, you're still walking around!

                As long as the genes survive there is opportunity for rebirth, you mega brainlet.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure of that? If you found a stash of pristine alien genes, would your first instinct be to resurrect them on a species-wide scale with as close accuracy to their original forms as possible?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all aliens think like humans
                >all humans think like you
                >you think like me
                You must be 18 to browse this site.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All this shit I didn't say in a rude tone
                You are too lacking in the social graces for me to want to keep talking to you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All that shit you didn't say is all the logic the shit you said depends on.
                Stop seething at your own retardation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all aliens think like humans
                >all humans think like you
                >you think like me
                You must be 18 to browse this site.

                Hell exploiting this is literally the plot of Species!

                >a bunch of metaphysical bullshit
                Such as?

                >>a bunch of metaphysical bullshit
                >Such as?
                Literally everything about the Warp...

                Aren't the collective of alien species already forming a Tau God? It seems to me that psykers in the Tau Empire will fall under its influence. What if it decides that all Psykers in the Empire belong to it, not the rest of Chaos gods?

                >Aren't the collective of alien species already forming a Tau God? It seems to me that psykers in the Tau Empire will fall under its influence. What if it decides that all Psykers in the Empire belong to it, not the rest of Chaos gods?
                That's not even the FUN part; The nature of the Tau'va Ultra Daemon means it probably IS benign, and it's finding the Tau themselves unworthy of their "First amongst Equals" status...

                ...Also it should totally have a CLUSTER of gigantic Tau Titty Cau Mommy Milkers...

                Basically anything to do with the chaos gods mostly. Or how there's that book where there is a "Greater Good Chaos God" and basically all the implications about how Tzeentch got super powered because people made advanced technology so that justifies the imperium's technological backwardness. Along with this there's a bunch of offhand mentions of how any sort of movement that defies the authoritarianism of the Imperium is probably infiltrated by chaos in some manner.

                I find all this sort of stuff hilarious from the perspective of Modern GW who want to come off as a modern inclusive or liberal company and what have you but do there best to say how guillaman is a good boy and that the imperium is needed for humanity to survive. To put it bluntly warhammer's metaphysics basically just say ted kazynscki is probably justified because chaos gods.

                >To put it bluntly warhammer's metaphysics basically just say ted kazynscki is probably justified because chaos gods.
                Honestly yeah, hell GW could have probably had him as an aspect of the Emperor and it'd still track better as a Behavioral Pattern than the schizophrenic mess that modern lore has him going through.

                The Tau are aware of psyker powers. They just don't understand them. They call them mind science. At least one client xenos race is made entirely of psykers so they should be aware of the dangers and have contingencies in place.

                >The Tau are aware of psyker powers. They just don't understand them. They call them mind science. At least one client xenos race is made entirely of psykers so they should be aware of the dangers and have contingencies in place.
                Yeah, the Imperial Method is basically the worst method of control for Psykers, but of COURSE Brits are gonna wank to a period of time that abandons all "Science and Reason."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally everything about the Warp...
                Easy to say that since you don't live in a world where a schizos sphincter can shit out nurglings long enough to destroy all life on earth.

                >wank to a period of time
                Medieval stuff is cool you seething common-wealth darkie.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Easy to say that since you don't live in a world where a schizos sphincter can shit out nurglings long enough to destroy all life on earth.
                Except Nurglings can't do that, and isn't Nurgle especially anti-sterilization?

                >Medieval stuff is cool you seething common-wealth darkie.
                And you're just like every other Eupoor; The One True Successor of Rome!
                Go squat in a Catacomb...

                The only form of HFY that's acceptable is the Star Trek kind.

                >The only form of HFY that's acceptable is the Star Trek kind.
                Because the Star Trek kind is the Horny kind!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Except Nurglings can't do that
                can't do what? Decimate a planet with their diseased presence/violence? And just because he's anti-sterilisation doesn't mean he's all powerful outside the warp, in normal space everything stops decaying at some point.

                I will never be Roman, i don't want to be Roman, Romans promoted democracy, Romans are cool.
                What are you gonna do now you Manichean common-wealth servant?

                >Because the Star Trek kind is the Horny kind!
                Only good take.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Decimate a planet with their diseased presence/violence? And just because he's anti-sterilisation doesn't mean he's all powerful outside the warp
                YOU said they'd wipe out ALL life!
                Turn the place into a fetid extension of the Great Garden-swamp, sure, but that certainly ain't "Lifeless" is it?!

                >What are you gonna do now you Manichean common-wealth servant?
                Be a citizen of the longest standing modern Democratic Republic in spite of the antics of scum like you.

                >Only good take.
                OF COURSE, DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BOOBINOMICS?!?

                >MY RULE
                DUDE
                THOSE ARE NOT FUCKING IMPERIALS IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE

                [...]
                ARE THESE FUCKING IMPERIALS TO YOU???

                And ya ain't exactly "human" yourself there, ya fucking stunted cocksucker!
                So yeah, go die in your hole like the NEET Manlet you are while the rest of us chance actually LIVING!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So we went from >the warp is empire bs to opress humans to >the warp is real and it won't kill you + nurgle waifu.png

                Surely this isn't partisan rhetoric.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't engage with it. That thing doesn't actually play 40K or even know the fluff. They just spout their gay little "40K pornverse" that's based off of shit they heard from TTS

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So we went from >the warp is empire bs to opress humans to >the warp is real and it won't kill you
                More like Warp bullshit isn't actually bullshit enough, empirically, to justify the Imperium's cruelty.
                In fact ironically enough the Imperial Doctrine of treating Psykers, the very type of humanity the Emperor wanted to eventually develop, like shit only really serves to inflame the problem further.
                The Warp IS dangerous, but if Full Chaos Wank is what it is capable of then the only thing really holding back Chaos is itself.
                The cruelty that supposedly keeps the Dark Ones at bay only really FUELS them in the first place.

                >nurgle waifu.png
                Waifu's are already OP man, and they get even more broken in a Grimderp setting because everyone is so starved for affection!

                >Surely this isn't partisan rhetoric.
                I have no idea what you are talking about!

                [...]

                YES!
                We must ENBIGGEN the Tau Caus!!!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As long as the genes survive there is opportunity for rebirth, you mega brainlet.
                Pfft, like the Genes even matter that much; He wants to pin it on IDEOLOGY but even that ideological continuation is EXPLICITLY fruitless!

                This is why we need to bring the Zoat back as Sexy Kerrigan-esk Characters for the 'Nids!

                >Assuming I'm arguing for the Imperium when I'm fucking posting LoV art

                I'm arguing for the Imperium when I'm fucking posting LoV art
                The fuck you talking about mutant?!

                Even if it works out for an individual, it's a dogshit route for species-preservation, which is my whole point.

                [...]
                >...Then the fuck are YOU offering?
                The Leagues got it figured out. Their biggest deal is that their big ol' computers are starting to bog down. But they're living proof that humanity isn't doomed to dredgery.

                >The Leagues got it figured out. Their biggest deal is that their big ol' computers are starting to bog down. But they're living proof that humanity isn't doomed to dredgery.
                And how xenophobic were they?
                Assuming they even have Sapient Alien Contact in the first place...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And how xenophobic were they?
                Not at all. They trade with the Demiurge Brotherhood, who are Tau Auxiliaries and live amongst intelligent AI who they see as Kin.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why hasn't anyone posted any fish-faced tau?
                I don't remember them having fish-faces, I just remember them looking like colorful Voldemorts.

                Sassy girl waving her ass at the enemy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kerrigan-esk
                >-esk
                Learn English you fucking esl chud

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chaos offers sick mutations and a fraternity of likeminded lunatics

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if it works out for an individual, it's a dogshit route for species-preservation, which is my whole point.

                >The Tau offer a better life in the hear and now and as far as the people are concerned the only real consequence comes from the Imperium itself and not any of the things they're holding back.
                Hell Chaos uses a similar pitch of immediate gratification despite visibly turning you into a frothing psycho that makes a satanic caricature
                look down right reasonable!
                The Imperium IS its own worst enemy, that's why the Mortal Chaos aesthetic is literally "Imperial, but EVIL SPIKES!"

                [...]
                >Has it always been a holy war? Could there be peace?
                Pretty much yes and yes, but a troubled peace doesn't sell Miniature Painting Supplies and Miniature Painting Accessories as well as ONLY WAR!!!

                [...]
                >Reminder than Tau females look like fish people with progeria and not you cute anime waifu with big blue milkers
                Flesh can be easily altered to suit our purposes...

                [...]
                >This is the point in the conversation where pro-imperium brainlets start insisting that humans deserve more than just survival.
                Indeed...

                [...]
                >Dinosaurs do not walk the earth just because Chickens are still around.
                ...Does this guy not know about the Dino Chickens?

                >They offer subversion, a different, more cruel form of death.
                ...Then the fuck are YOU offering?
                Just because it has a thin hierarchical veneer doesn't mean the Imperial, that SPECIFICALLY exploits human life, basically doesn't provide any BETTER!

                >His flesh is just being used.
                Why the fuck is this any better when the guy using it is also [technically] Hu~Mon?!

                >...Then the fuck are YOU offering?
                The Leagues got it figured out. Their biggest deal is that their big ol' computers are starting to bog down. But they're living proof that humanity isn't doomed to dredgery.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Even if it works out for an individual, it's a dogshit route for species-preservation, which is my whole point.

                It is part of the optimum strategy for species preservation. Playing the field is the optimum strategy for species preservation. Doing less is a dogshit route for species-preservation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dinosaurs aren't walking the Earth, but chickens are walking the Earth, because some dinosaurs survived as chickens. That's what it means for a species to survive. Evolution is what happens when you don't go extinct (and when you don't have a space nazi bureaucracy which opposes both natural and unnatural evolution).

                A servitor is dead, but we're not talking about the survival of individuals, we're talking about the survival of the human race.

                >survival can be more cruel than death
                I don't think anyone would argue.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Colonials
                And yet this board won't allow a Boob race!

                Why hasn't anyone posted any fish-faced tau?
                I don't remember them having fish-faces, I just remember them looking like colorful Voldemorts.

                Sassy girl waving her ass at the enemy.

                >Why hasn't anyone posted any fish-faced tau?
                >I don't remember them having fish-faces, I just remember them looking like colorful Voldemorts.
                They more have fish lips, since they don't really have scaly skin and Eyelids let them blink beneath their brows.

                >Sassy girl waving her ass at the enemy.
                INDEED!

                >Kerrigan-esk
                >-esk
                Learn English you fucking esl chud

                Fuck you Anon, I'm near legally Linguistically Retarded, I've got to do the mental equivalent of Calculus just to titpost!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm...Retarded
                Yes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Still have a Mensa entry Aggregate I.Q. Score Anon, so I'm not just Retarded but very likely smarter than you...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"she" thinks mensa is a big deal
                OH NO NO NO

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope harder retard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope harder retard.

                >Cope harder retard.
                Please, he COULD be that 1/20 of people with a higher IQ than me!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I thought I told you to samefag less.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope harder retard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I thought I told you to samefag less.

                [...]
                >Cope harder retard.
                Please, he COULD be that 1/20 of people with a higher IQ than me!

                Cope harder retard.

                >"she" thinks mensa is a big deal
                OH NO NO NO

                Still have a Mensa entry Aggregate I.Q. Score Anon, so I'm not just Retarded but very likely smarter than you...

                All by me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All by me.
                See now at least you're linking everything together so your stupidity is tied to mine!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >survival=autonomy
            >ALWAYS
            Brainlet hot take.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It literally is survival. That's my point. Genestealers] cultists seem kinda disposable, but if you can influence the 'nids to incorporate human traits into their superorganism in any way then you are promoting the survival of the species. Have you read All Tomorrows yet? Spoiler warning: humans survive.

              Is becoming a Zombie 'surviving'?
              After all, you're still walking around!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bro, is that a fucking Carnyx? That's awesome as hell.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Tau offer a better life in the hear and now and as far as the people are concerned the only real consequence comes from the Imperium itself and not any of the things they're holding back.
        Hell Chaos uses a similar pitch of immediate gratification despite visibly turning you into a frothing psycho that makes a satanic caricature
        look down right reasonable!
        The Imperium IS its own worst enemy, that's why the Mortal Chaos aesthetic is literally "Imperial, but EVIL SPIKES!"

        If, for whatever reason, the Imperium dropped their "kill all Xenos on sight" rule and started taking in Tau defectors the way the Tau do with humans, at what point does their conflict stop being a race war and start being a holy war? What would that look like for either side? Has it always been a holy war? Could there be peace?

        >Has it always been a holy war? Could there be peace?
        Pretty much yes and yes, but a troubled peace doesn't sell Miniature Painting Supplies and Miniature Painting Accessories as well as ONLY WAR!!!

        Reminder than Tau females look like fish people with progeria and not you cute anime waifu with big blue milkers
        Glory to Mankind!

        >Reminder than Tau females look like fish people with progeria and not you cute anime waifu with big blue milkers
        Flesh can be easily altered to suit our purposes...

        >In the long view the Tau are an even riskier gamble then the Imperium

        If you want humans to survive then you want as many humans as possible in as many factions as possible. Period. You want chaos humans, you want human-descended 'nids, you want gue'vesa, you want humans being played like banjos on the off chance that some dark eldar might decide to do something interesting with its genes.

        This is the point in the conversation where pro-imperium brainlets start insisting that humans deserve more than just survival. lol.

        >This is the point in the conversation where pro-imperium brainlets start insisting that humans deserve more than just survival.
        Indeed...

        If you lose everything you are, and the meat that was you is still walking around, that isn't survival. Dinosaurs do not walk the earth just because Chickens are still around. A man who gets turned into a servitor is for all intents and purposes, dead. His flesh is just being used. Chaos, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar do not offer survival in anything but the most technical sense of the word. They offer subversion, a different, more cruel form of death.

        >Dinosaurs do not walk the earth just because Chickens are still around.
        ...Does this guy not know about the Dino Chickens?

        >They offer subversion, a different, more cruel form of death.
        ...Then the fuck are YOU offering?
        Just because it has a thin hierarchical veneer doesn't mean the Imperial, that SPECIFICALLY exploits human life, basically doesn't provide any BETTER!

        >His flesh is just being used.
        Why the fuck is this any better when the guy using it is also [technically] Hu~Mon?!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Assuming I'm arguing for the Imperium when I'm fucking posting LoV art

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about survival not autonomy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Quit samefagging

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Quit samefagging
            ...How was any of that samefagging?

            The primary issue is that the Gue'vesa, in virtually every instance, would be people whose leaders made the decision to join the Tau without their input.

            When you see Gue'Vesa, you're literally just seeing Imperial Guardsmen with a different coat of paint. Did Planetary Governor Barsazmus XXIX ask the common folk for their input before he switched side? No, and the odds are he's still in charge and simply levies the exact same people who would otherwise be sent off to the Guard and instead sends them off to fight for the Tau.

            If you didn't TELL the Gue'Vesa infantry that they're traitors to the Empire, they probably wouldn't know. The primary difference I imagine is that their primary adversaries would be other humans, and you would have to lie to them as to why they're killing them. If you just told the average guy "hey we're fighting the Imperium and killing loyalist humans to steal more of humanity's territory so that the Tau can have it," there would be questions.

            >If you just told the average guy "hey we're fighting the Imperium and killing loyalist humans to steal more of humanity's territory so that the Tau can have it," there would be questions.
            Well there's still the ideological difference driving the two factions; The Imperium are explicitly human supremist while the Tau Empire tries to expand "The Greater Good."

            This is why I think the Tau'va Ultra Daemon scared the shit out of the Fourth Sphere Tau; It's an actually benign Warp Entity, but that means it's memetic Mr. Rogers and it's sightless gaze ask the question, "ARE YOU BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TODAY?!"

            Can you have an electrical fault in your apartment and get your room burned down so you can't post this fucking cringe anymore, it's hard enough pulling out the Tau models knowing everyone thinks I watch anime or gundam or some other stupid yellow crap

            >pulling out the Tau models knowing everyone thinks I watch anime or gundam or some other stupid yellow crap
            Yeah, we could pretty much assume that since you play Tau in the first place, you racist shitheel...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In the long view the Tau are an even riskier gamble then the Imperium when it comes to the survival of the human species, considering their smaller size and inevitable confrontation with the Psyker problem.
        For 1) the Tau already know about Psykers. And for another, sticking with the Imperium means all of humanity will die like rats in the oven. The Imperium is LITERALLY a sinking waterlogged corpse.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Without the astronomicon there’s no FTL, without the Emperor there’s no astronomicon, without FTL humanity all dies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but the T'au get by just fine skimming the warp.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"Bitch"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You will never be a real squat. You have no bikers, you have no flak armor. You are a crewd mockery of rogue traders perfection in terran form.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gets fed too many nid-chomped squats and goes HECKIN INSAAAAANE AAAAH HELP BUGMAN

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arachen
    It's pretty sad that some Xenos are more based than humanity on the T'au question. Consider these spider dudes, they had every possible reason to fold and cooperate but they told the Water Caste off and fought them to a standstill before Farsight's plot armour saved the day. None of them betrayed their species, none of them were awed by T'au technology and standards of living. They rejected their diplomacy and fought to the skin of their mandibles.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous.

    Generally, fucking elated.
    Yeah some are on hormone blockers, meditative therapies and all, because the Sept they joined is stricter on how people must follow the Tau'va in behavior, but many worlds and septs do not chemically castrate and numb the humans under their bounds.
    And even then, ask practically any of them, even the most drugged and medically suffering of those humans, the ones getting migraines and seizures and who struggle to feel happy, and they'll still generally tell you that they're pretty damn happy to have joined the Greater Good.

    Because effectively, it's like jumping from 40k, into Halo. Yeah the perils in the galaxy do not change, but you're in a dynamic and improving republic with good tech, good improvements, a diverse community, and you're all working to a genuinely philosophically moral goal. The coalition has its head on straight, there's clear order, and you aren't expendable outside truly dire circumstances. As in, ones that will make the history books tier dire.
    Yeah there's wiggle room for corruption with Ethereals and all, and sometimes this goal means suffering, but even at its worst, life in the Tau'va still means two hots and a cot, chances to wash, be educated, make friends, advance in life, and being able to get up in the morning and know that your contributions are making a difference, instead of just hoping it.

    That is why the Tau are such a significant threat for being so small. Their base tech level is unhindered, advancing, and already very high performance. Their doctrines in war and in life are similarly unhindered and high performance. But just as bad as both of those, living there is just so favourable to 98% of anyone in the Imperium, people can't afford to know just how much better it would be for them.
    Yeah, a lot of humans do feel sad about it, and ashamed for their race. But these feelings oft only strengthen resolve to bring the light of the Tau'va to more of humanity.
    That, is the threat the Tau pose.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Tau are a threat to the Imperium because they're better morally
      Holy shit you're right.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous.

        They literally are, and that's why they're dangerous. They're an informational hazard, because as a prospect they're just so damn tempting to anyone.
        Either you give up thirty percent of your industrial, agricultural, and population yield every five years, to be carted off somewhere else, for no real economic gain in return, while any deviation from your extremist xenophobic technophobic faith is punished by torturing the offender to death publicly, and hundreds if not thousands die every day due to poor living conditions or crime rates. And at the end of it, you're still effectively left alone.
        Or you join this group of blue skinned good sorts, and suddenly you're only spending a fraction of the resources you were, you get safe, reliable, high base quality and plentiful technology, a good living standard, and your Pseudo Necrotheistic extremist oppressive faith, gets replaced with a singular life concept of undeniable righteousness. Yeah you need to change some things to follow it, but you honestly feel better about yourself after it. It's a personal conviction, one that a man can personally choose to follow, and know that he is not alone in his moral aspirations.
        The only thing keeping most people from joining them wholesale, is the thousands of generations of entrenched conditioning, and the belief that there has to be a catch somewhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > but you're in a dynamic and improving republic

      It is at best an authoritarian autocracy of unelected officials who earn their place by merit of their race (ethereals). It might be better than the Imperium for the average joe, but "republic" it absolutely is not.

      >a diverse community
      The Tau are not allow to fraternize outside of their own CASTE, let alone with other races, outside of condoned cooperation (such as for military matters). Your pic is literally illegal between Tau races, let alone a Tau and an alien.

      >and you're all working to a genuinely philosophically moral goal.
      But only as long as the Ethereals and the Tau race continue to remain at the top. The Tau (with some notable, high-level exceptions) also are notably quite racist towards humans and auxilia races, especially as they view humans as an anti-race for the Tau. That racism is generally just reserved for "hostile work environment" type issues and a view that humans are inferior to Tau, as opposed to genocide, but it's still there.

      >The coalition has its head on straight,

      The coalition willfully denies and has routinely proven incapable of understanding one of the fundamental truths of the setting - that Hell is real and it's filled with bad things that want to kill you, and they are very much capable of doing so. They don't even listen to the Nicassar, their psychic Auxilia who act as navigators for some of their short-ranged warp vessels.

      The Tau are an arrogant race that might be better for the average human, but they still treat humans with a healthy dose of oppression - it's just much more subtle.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But only as long as the Ethereals and the Tau race continue to remain at the top.
        Which again is why I think the Tau'va Ultra Daemon scares them so shitless...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That racism is generally just reserved for "hostile work environment" type issues and a view that humans are inferior to Tau, as opposed to genocide, but it's still there.

        T'au aren't racist against humans any more than they're racist against Kroot. It's just that they have open disdain for the cultural maladies that Humanity has inflicted upon itself. Unlike the Kroot though the T'au are in a position to subjugate human populations to fall in line with the T'au'va.

        It's as though you would put a fanatical, relatively materialistic, relatively egomaniacal normie into a monastery with monks and then claim the monks are being racist against the normie.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            look at these digits

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Headcanon the post.
        Provide citations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous.

        >Not the correct political system.
        Who cares? They aren't an Empire, and you're picking at my textual semantics.
        >Not allowed to fraternize outside their own caste.
        They are, though they might be unlikely to due to lack of common convergence in activity. A water caste warzone reporter is absolutely allowed to fraternize with fire warriors, as are the fire warriors allowed to fraternize with the air caste for aerospace activity.
        And castes are not Tau exclusive. Races can join castes, so in an earth caste group, you might have a smorgasbord of different races, each working to their specialty. Saying segregation is mandatory by law is utter headcanon.
        >Tau are racist.
        They objectively are not. Even when objectively they should kill a human because of the evidence against their species, showing that "hey, these human people are utterly fucking awful", they don't. They are objectively not racist.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >complete headcanon
        Either provide direct citations or fuck off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        humans get worse oppression from the hands of humans

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >old planetary governer was a cunt
    >new planetary governer is still a cunt but not as bad

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it shows up every now and then but I can't be bothered to wade through the various novels to find them all.

    but generally speaking it's always the same; prosperity and security for them and theirs, since the eastern fringe is often a bit of a backwater with many dangers. The long arm of the imperium is a bit sluggish on the outskirts so the people will instead go to more local powers for assistance. They may not have ever seen an imperial authority in their neck of the woods for several generations, which also leads to them thinking they can get away without repercussion, and indignant when it eventually lands at their doorstep.

    It's a cool thing to explore but never really gets done.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fairly well. They don't get whipped or branded, they don't get left behind as "acceptable losses," they get enough to eat, and much better than corpse starch.

    The downside is that eventually a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vesa, and their powers mistaken for insanity, or a Tau engineer will try to replicate an Imperium warp drive, and they will rip open a warp portal right in the heart of the empire. But that might not happen for centuries, and you'll be happy and safe with a full belly in the meantime.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The downside is that eventually a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vesa, and their powers mistaken for insanity... But that might not happen for centuries...

      Does the impression on the wrap specifically segregate from species?

      Seems a little weird that a Gue'vesa would add to the Imperial-Psychic-impression instead of the barely-but-still-there-Tau-Impression.
      And to myself, that would make more sense. the Wrap and Chaos generally doesn't give a fuck about allegiances or species. It normally seems bent on mind sets- except in the case of species-Impression.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wtf are you talking about?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes different species have different warp shadows. Eldar are more psychically sensitive than humans and orks, and Tau and Necrons have functionally no presence in the warp, being almost invisible to daemons and possessing no psychic members of their race. It's not about their allegiance, it's the individual.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The downside is that eventually a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vesa, and their powers mistaken for insanity, or a Tau engineer will try to replicate an Imperium warp drive, and they will rip open a warp portal right in the heart of the empire
      Both of those things have already happened.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Tau are aware of psyker powers. They just don't understand them. They call them mind science. At least one client xenos race is made entirely of psykers so they should be aware of the dangers and have contingencies in place.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I reall want the Imperium secundus to collapse and have a bunch of random human and Xeno factions fighting over the burning ruins.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If they did it, they should cool it with plot advancements for like, a decade and just let people write stories and shit in that setting, because it'd be cool.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nothings stopping people doing that currently?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes just read some of the Damocles anthology books, literally an entire novella from the pov of one.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The average Gue'vesa just wants some big blue tiddies on his face

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Accepting subserviance under another species. While also fighting against yours and your kin right to rule the stars.

    American X a Gue'vesa

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If, for whatever reason, the Imperium dropped their "kill all Xenos on sight" rule and started taking in Tau defectors the way the Tau do with humans, at what point does their conflict stop being a race war and start being a holy war? What would that look like for either side? Has it always been a holy war? Could there be peace?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder than Tau females look like fish people with progeria and not you cute anime waifu with big blue milkers
    Glory to Mankind!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Imperials will say Glory to Mankind then send billions of undertrained and underequipped soldiers with bad intel and communication against the galaxies greatest horrors
      >Then pat themselves on the back

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone know any alternate models for guevesa

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I insane or was there 100+ posts in this thread?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YES. you are insane schizo incel, take your meds, go outside, touch grass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of it was spam.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They think, "hey I get food now and have the opportunity for social mobility compared to before when I'd get executed for put sauce on my corpse dust or I pissed some feudal duke off."
    I get the setting has been hyper coping about how the imperium is a shit place to live so it tries to retroactively justify it with a bunch of metaphysical bullshit but if you take it seriously you need to get a dick out your ass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a bunch of metaphysical bullshit
      Such as?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Basically anything to do with the chaos gods mostly. Or how there's that book where there is a "Greater Good Chaos God" and basically all the implications about how Tzeentch got super powered because people made advanced technology so that justifies the imperium's technological backwardness. Along with this there's a bunch of offhand mentions of how any sort of movement that defies the authoritarianism of the Imperium is probably infiltrated by chaos in some manner.

        I find all this sort of stuff hilarious from the perspective of Modern GW who want to come off as a modern inclusive or liberal company and what have you but do there best to say how guillaman is a good boy and that the imperium is needed for humanity to survive. To put it bluntly warhammer's metaphysics basically just say ted kazynscki is probably justified because chaos gods.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can't they just copy/paste the "species god protects you in the warp once your dead" idea?

          It works all the time.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't the collective of alien species already forming a Tau God? It seems to me that psykers in the Tau Empire will fall under its influence. What if it decides that all Psykers in the Empire belong to it, not the rest of Chaos gods?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If humanity would have gone extinct without the Imperium how come the Imperium continues to discover independent human civilizations in the year 40k?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For the same reason the Tau are still alive, the Imperium protects them by acting as a buffer to all the threats.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Secondary take

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are a secondary.

        HFY posting is the worst thing that's happened to /tg/ next to generals

        HFY posting is bad no matter where it comes from.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HFY posting is the worst thing that's happened to /tg/ next to generals

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HFY posting is the worst thing that's happened

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only form of HFY that's acceptable is the Star Trek kind.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's good if i'm doing it
          NO.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, it's ok when it glorifies mankind maturing as a species instead of 'hurr durr deus vult'

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No, it's ok when i'm doing it and those nazi white hetero cis-males are not doing it
              HFY is masturbation, it doesn't matter what limbs you do it with.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the only form of empowerment that's acceptable is egalitarian utopianism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, obviously.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're no less infantile than the idiots screaming about how astardees are indomitable demigods and the Imperium is inherently divine because it is ostensibly by humans, for humans. There's plenty of merit to pleasant idealism like Star Trek and there is plenty in stark brutality like the imaginary version of 40k that was only front and center a decade before they started skimming the fandom wiki for fun, but I'm sick and tired of self-righteous gays claiming one or the other is the "truest/best/only" variation of acceptable human exceptionalism in an incestuous circle of performative virtue-signalling. A preference is plenty fine, all well and good, but an insistence on one and only in every context is retarded. Do yourself a favour and take a hike, the fresh air might do you some good.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What if I told you that I don't believe in there being one way to enjoy media or tropes, but that I was making fun of someone who only communicates in
                >Shitty accusatory greentexts
                And that you wrote that whole thing to be mad at someone who does not exist?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i was only pretending to green-text while not using green text
                Attempts at saving face have never look this pathetic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's like talking to a brick wall, holy shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are right because Terran Empire in Mirror Trek is cancerous

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The primary issue is that the Gue'vesa, in virtually every instance, would be people whose leaders made the decision to join the Tau without their input.

    When you see Gue'Vesa, you're literally just seeing Imperial Guardsmen with a different coat of paint. Did Planetary Governor Barsazmus XXIX ask the common folk for their input before he switched side? No, and the odds are he's still in charge and simply levies the exact same people who would otherwise be sent off to the Guard and instead sends them off to fight for the Tau.

    If you didn't TELL the Gue'Vesa infantry that they're traitors to the Empire, they probably wouldn't know. The primary difference I imagine is that their primary adversaries would be other humans, and you would have to lie to them as to why they're killing them. If you just told the average guy "hey we're fighting the Imperium and killing loyalist humans to steal more of humanity's territory so that the Tau can have it," there would be questions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds me of that Ciaphas Cain novel where the humans who like tau are basically our real life equivalent of antifa and communist gays, burning, looting, and generally being low intelligence "cult of equality" retards, while the governor is being a corrupt asshole as always and the majority of citizens, outside of the rebellious youths, rebellious wash-outs, and inner-city scum, are actually pretty religiously conservative and mild like real life humans, just living day to day, praying when they feel happy or sad, and generally being normal.

      Most humans who actively like Tau probably see it as a way to get up the ladder of society and life, for one reason or another depending on characterization.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        For more culture war brain rot, please choose the right board

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dude that's literally how Ciaphas Cain described the Gue'vesa.
          Did you not read the one where he meets Amberley for the first time? It's no joke how he describes the Gue'vesa.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Within a single generation that would be flipped though, since the Tau would become the new statuts quo, and thus it would be the humans that like the Imperium made up of antifa and communist types.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe so, that would be interesting to see explored in a novel or a codex, but they haven't done that to the best of my knowledge.

          I wonder what militia/resistance fighters loyal to the Imperium would look like and how they would be characterized.
          They'd probably only have much of a chance if they were on the edges of a sphere of expansion and were up against mostly humans armed sparsely with tau dropped weapons, rather than a full-on tau force.

          >race traitors
          *species traitors

          There are many different human races, but most belong to the same species.

          Are humans one species though in Warhammer 40,000?
          MY thoughts with Squats, Ogryn, and ratlings was that they were human species with the human family or genus, given the huge physiological differences.

          Like for bears, polar bears, brown bears, and grizzly bears are all considered individual species within a close knit genus; while the speckled bear and panda bear are only part of the Ursidae family.
          Given that in Warhammer 40k they regularly inspect people down to the DNA level and it's hinted at that people were genetically modified during the Age of Strife and previous Ages, the Ogryns and such may not be genetically *identifiable* as having any different DNA than baseline humans despite having the physiological differences present because they were genetically altered very skillfully by people with STCs for that sort of thing.

          Given the consistent characterization of most Imperials as uneducated beyond their job's necessary skills, Linnaeus' Categories probably was forgotten long with the actual definition of evolution and science itself lol

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >MY thoughts with Squats, Ogryn, and ratlings was that they were human species with the human family or genus, given the huge physiological differences.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >XCom_1912.jpg
              Neat, though if you include people like Australian Aborigines and Sub-Saharan Africans the differences become even more profound.
              It's really quite sad that we can't study human bio-diversity through anything other than a political lens these days.
              The idea that we are all perfectly equal except for our paint coating is completely inimicable to the ideas of diversity and celebrating differences.
              How can we all be exactly the same but also unique?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget some pygmies and whatever those giant bushmen are.
                >Neat
                It's actually a photo of troops of the Eight-Nation Alliance during the Boxer Rebellion. The nationalities depicted are, in order, Britain, United States, Australia, India, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy, and Japan. Russia is missing.
                >"But wouldn't that amount to 10 nations?"
                I suspect Australia and India counted as part of the British Empire.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh cool! I remember learning about that bit of history years ago, and watching that movie, 55 Days in Peking, too.
                It really is interesting just how different people can be in terms of physiology but also psychology and creativity.
                Out of all the different continents and isolated cultures and interconnected cultures it cool to see how the different shape and type of brains we have form radically different moralities, ways of life, and cultures. The idea we're all the same exact species can be compared to how different ants create different nests and form different societies around the same goal of protecting the queen, acquiring food, and surviving.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I wonder what militia/resistance fighters loyal to the Imperium would look like and how they would be characterized.
            Probably like the edgy teenagers and school-shooter types that run off to join ISIS.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Probably like the edgy teenagers and school-shooter types that run off to join ISIS.

              Funny you mention it since one of the conflicts between the Imperium and Tau that the imperialfags are proud of is basically this. An attack on a planet that serves as Earth's Caste University

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An attack on a planet that serves as Earth's Caste University

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder how the Adeptus Mechanicus would feel about imperialfags trying to destroy one of the few sources of new technology

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't be a heretek.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Are humans one species though in Warhammer 40,000?
            >MY thoughts with [abhumans]
            I did say "most" for a reason. Even on Earth today, it is entirely arguable that there are multiple extant humans specieses, as by genetic distance alone (so even if we ignore observable phenotypes for taxonomic classification) the three to five major divisions are more distant than *many* different specieses of, say, ravens for example. Or horses. Or cats.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree. I was just giving the most in-universe and best suited explanation for my thoughts pertaining to the specific question.

              I do think that in today's world there are multiple human species. But the exact parameters and guidelines of that are sadly very political in nature and not at all an objectively and unbiasedly studied field today.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The irony of your statement is that the IMPERIAL Planetary Governer in that book was a Genestealer.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I know he was, it was a neat plot-twist and I enjoyed reading that.
          Cain even explains how the Genestealer Governor tried to instigate a war between Tau and the Imperium in order to weaken both for the incoming Hive Fleet Leviathan.
          There was really neat mentioning and caveats explained on how it was difficult to tell who was Gue'vesa and who was Imperial loyalist because Genestealers infested boths sides to some degree in order to instigate conflict and false flag.

          Do you know any good books detailing the Tau dealing with Genestealers? The end of the book where Amberley winks at Cain about how they're going to keep quiet about the one or two gene-infected Tau being evacuated on the Tau ships that were there to remove them as they relinquished trading rights with the planet.
          I really want to know how a Tau sept would deal with Genestealers if they could.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But what was the ironic part?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The government the Tau-lovers were rebelling against was actually a corrupt group of literal lizard people.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah I thought that part was neat. Actually made me kind of conflicted about the ending note where Amberley lets the Tau infected with Gene-stealer taint leave without being notified.
              But the people telling the tau-lovers to rebel were the same people they were being told to rebel against, so the irony is kind of a moot point as on the surface that's still how the Gue-vesa appeared and were characterized by Cain.
              It's not a perfect example, but as far as this thread has shown, we don't have any other novels to describe how Gue-vesa rationalize their violent attacks on Imperial government. The whole Cain novel has that internecine Genestealer arc that gives it a different, ironic flair at the end; but if the genestealers weren't present would the Gue-vesa be any different in characterization?
              I think not, but that's what was up for discussion this thread

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we don't have any other novels
                We have countless novels about the Imperium treating its people like shit until they snap

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering that Cain gets saved from a group of them by a Kroot who admonishes the rebels for their actions, it probably would be different.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >le REASONABLE commissar
        Cain is barely canon

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he's still the best source we have to answer the OP's question, and the equality, liberation, and multi-species society is pretty much analogous to marxist revolution.

          >we don't have any other novels
          We have countless novels about the Imperium treating its people like shit until they snap

          Ooookay?
          But that doesn't explain how the Gue-vesa rationalize fighting their own species. Undertrodden hivers and agri-workers are common background elements of many novels, but very few get further into the topic of Gue-vesa militias rationalizing their war against the Imperium than a cursory explanation before following the story of Cain or a Codex.

          Considering that Cain gets saved from a group of them by a Kroot who admonishes the rebels for their actions, it probably would be different.

          Do you know that webcomic about the commissar, he's the one that has the prayer hands *concern* face in the reaction images threads; I really liked that comic because it explored exactly that, a war between Tau and the Imperium from the ground up where Gue-vesa militia members were the main opposing force, and getting snippets of their operating procedure, lifestyle and habits, and adopted identity from the Tau was awesome.

          Like I'm trying to say,

          https://i.imgur.com/uYv0zAA.jpg

          Are there any books or bits of dialogue from Gue'vesa that talk about how they feel about their role as race traitors to humanity? The Gue'vesa mindset isn't something that gets touched on much, especially compared to Chaos, and I'm curious what motivates them.

          >Are there any books or bits of dialogue from Gue'vesa that talk about how they feel about their role as race traitors to humanity? The Gue'vesa mindset isn't something that gets touched on much, especially compared to Chaos, and I'm curious what motivates them.
          The Gue'vesa so far haven't been characterized as much better than edgy revolutions on par with chaos cultists by people such as Cain.

          That one Death Watch Astartes short story about the new Tau battlesuits, when one of the Death Watch gets captured, a White Scar I think, he literally gets a lecture from an elderly man Gue'vesa who tries to convince the Death Watch Astartes that the Tau are the Moral Good Guys(tm) and that liasoning with the Imperium for cooperation and integration would benefit Imperial society. Suffice to say the Gue'vesa's face was melted off with acid spit, and the "work of keeping mankind clean of alien filth" went on swimmingly for everyone in the Damocles Gulf Crusafe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Gue'vesa so far haven't been characterized as much better than edgy revolutions on par with chaos cultists by people such as Cain.
            There is also a third or fourth generation Gue'vesa in the diplomatic party at the start of The Greater Good, which is the ninth Cain novel. She's not featured past the first couple chapters but she's there.
            Incidentally, she's much more normal, basically a stertypical Japanese OL.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous.

        Less antifa, more IRA.
        They were being violent and low int, but they had reasons, motives, and drives aplenty. They weren't just young people or social dregs or the like. Being that the Planetary governor and local Illuminati Genestealer cult were actively trying to be as shitty as possible, to destabilize human-tau relations to the point where warfare was inevitable, by encouraging this violence.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Being that the Planetary governor and local Illuminati Genestealer cult were actively trying to be as shitty as possible, to destabilize human-tau relations to the point where warfare was inevitable, by encouraging this violence.
          Sounds exactly like antifa, they're always simply a cudgel to be wielded by someone else.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you have an electrical fault in your apartment and get your room burned down so you can't post this fucking cringe anymore, it's hard enough pulling out the Tau models knowing everyone thinks I watch anime or gundam or some other stupid yellow crap

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >race traitors
    *species traitors

    There are many different human races, but most belong to the same species.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Emperor is literally the neckbeard powerfantasy
    >lol and?
    That's not admirable in the slightest.
    Don't call me a pinko fish lover either.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny thing, I am currently cloning skorpekh destroyers as a warming up for 2 night scythes (that head division was cute GeeDubs), I am trying to figure out how I will deal with the model being so heavy to the point I can bludgeon someone with it.

      You will never be a real squat. You have no bikers, you have no flak armor. You are a crewd mockery of rogue traders perfection in terran form.

      >Shoots shitty space parody of JRR Tolkien's shitty fantasy parody.

      The Leagues of Votaan are the Future.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think they pity humanity more than anything. Say you were an imperial guardsman, being told from they day you were born that the greatest honor you could receive was to die for a man you have never nor will see. Then you meet Xenos whom you have been told was vile manipulators that use wicked and evil technology and all they wish for is to undermine and destroy the very foundation your society is build upon.

    But then your reality shatters, the true manipulators are the highlords and the ecclesiarchy who ruled your life and the life of billions other humans. Manipulators that see see you as a decimal of a statistic when you live and die to ensure their corrupt house of cards. You were lied too from before you saw the natural sky, you were corralled into a metaphoric meatgrinder before you drew breath. You were never a person nor an individual.

    Then you see the everyday life on a T'au planet. Sure the government still overreach and deman their share. But you are not just a body to put between the officers and the enemy. You have rights to take charge of your own life.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If anything, they finally come to realize the imperium was the real scourge upon humanity all along

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >humanity has been at war with itself for thousans of years in real life for myriad reasons
    >how could this fictional human side against another human? it doesn't make sense!

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember reading a bit of lore somewhere around a manufacturing world getting taken over by Tau and they were amazed that they were given breaks and allowed free time and how their children grew up big and strong but I can't find it now.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Given human population and birthrates the Tau Empire would quickly become a Human Empire

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