Are you ready to accept that Jenova was the actual villain of ff7 and not sephiroth?

Are you ready to accept that Jenova was the actual villain of ff7 and not sephiroth Ganker?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The actual villain of FF7 is Nomura.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Square isn't going to reduce their most popular villain to a footnote body double used by some alien that doesn't even have a character.

      Also this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >killed Aerith
      >but also saved 5 other party members from dying during the second Midgar visit
      Hmm... is that a villain or not?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but also saved 5 other party members from dying during the second Midgar visit
        I've played the game several times, but don't remember this, qrd?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They wanted to kill all your other party members during the return to Midgard when you're parachuting in. Nomura told them they're fricking moronic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This moron wanted remake to be the same story as the original. The less involvement he has with the remake project the better. One of the reasons I'm so hyped for rebirth is he's not directing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Off yourself, troony.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You took away his versus xiii, he takes away your nostalgia. It's only fair.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      actually kitase for shitting out this 7 compilation bullshit but nomura is his henchman

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The actual villain of FF7 is Nomura.
      FPBP
      FRICK DEMAKE SHIT

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He’s also the villain of Kingdom Hearts!

      Strelitzia Sexo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hi there Forspoken shill

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bam

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They will do something stupid with Genova but the question is what? Does she exist in all FF games and is the true big bad of the FF multiverse!?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're gonna give her a shirt.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if that might have been the case in VII (it wasn't) it absolutely wouldn't be the case in Remake.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jenova was the one telling cloud he was a puppet, everything that points to sephiroth being in control is just retcon shit from the sequels.
      I honestly do not understand how anyone can think that in the original sephiroth was the true villain and not just his body being controlled by jenova when the entire reason sephiroth is fricked up to begin with is because of the jenova cells inside of him. Even if sephiroth resisted jenovas influence at first, he’s not exempt from the reunion theory and both he and jenovas head fell into the lifestream.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >when the entire reason sephiroth is fricked up to begin with is because of the jenova cells inside of him
        Holy frick how is anyone this much of an illiterate clown.
        He survived 20 odd years with jenova cells in him just fine, no issues. He would never have any issues, because he bonded with the cells fricking perfectly and is the only one to do so.
        The only reason he's fricked up at all is because he had to find out his entire life was a lie alone in some bumfrick mansion with a schizo episode and nobody around that he cared about to help him. moron hojo could have told him the truth from day 1 and he'd never have flipped his shit and it would have worked out fine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah Sephiroth's breakdown was actually pretty tragic. It had nothing to do with any influence from Jenova cells. It was just Sephiroth's desperation in figuring out the truth of his origins. It's legitimately pretty sad because he was still "innocent" at this point.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, he was always better than everyone and viewed as some outsider figure so he was always concerned that he was not normal and was a monster. Then it turns out he was created by a moron maniac scientist by injecting him with an alien in the womb, and he snaps. Genesis isn't around anymore, angeal isn't around anymore, anyone who got close to him to a degree and treated him like a normal person. Hojo didn't tell him shit, gast never got to tell him shit because hojo fricked him over, he never got to meet his actual mother.
            Could have very easily avoided the outcome, but hojo did not give a frick and probably was fine with this outcome

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            considering that sephy was born with the voice in his head that drove cloud insane, he was pretty tame for most of his life
            his only vector for planetary destruction was as a member of shinra

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't buy him doing a sudden 180 and becoming a homicidal maniac with a god complex just from discovering the truth. That was always comical and silly. Coming into close contact with Jenova sending him off the rails makes much more sense and lines up with the reunion stuff.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's nothing tragic about a deep rooted superiority complex.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You clearly don't understand sephiroth at all despite the writing then. He doesn't want to be superior, he is superior and that's just how it is through no choice of his own, but he has no desire to be so and worries over it as his central concern.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He had a superiority complex his whole life and when he realized it was because he's a freakish lab experiment he doubled down on it and imagined himself as an avenging angel of a mostly extinct race.
                Nothing tragic about one man coping hard enough to declare war on humanity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jenova cells only controlled the weak. Every SOLDIER has Jenova cells in them but only Cloud and the the 13 cloaked nobodies were able to be manipulated. Cloud even states such after he gains back his memories. If anything, Sephiroth and Jenova were in it together.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    would

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That eye nipple

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's actual sephiroth you're fighting at the end in full control, jenova absolute is the last remnant that's jenova enough to be considered jenova

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally anybody with a functioning brain put together that Jenova was skin-suiting Sephiroth the whole time. It's a parasitic alien that can manifest control holographically through any of its biomass, which is any cellular material that comprises it. There were no "Sephiroth clones" theres was only Jenova infection.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Sephiroth is fricking DEAD post-Jenova awakening.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Sephiroth is fricking DEAD post-Jenova awakening.

      Clowns, he is not dead, the game shows you this directly for frick sake. And as someone else said, you kill the last amalgamation of sentient jenova directly before you face bizarro, she's fricking gone.
      Not only that, I hate to break it to you but jenova is not a sentient fricking human being level entity. Once again this is told to you over and over again, it is an instinctual entity that has the ability to mimic. MIMIC.
      That means it does not, and functionally CANNOT come up with its own grand fricking schemes and manipulations and whatever the frick it does not have the capacity for it.
      It wants to eat lifestream, and it wants to not be killed, that is jenova in her entirety.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it is an instinctual entity that has the ability to mimic. MIMIC.
        >That means it does not, and functionally CANNOT come up with its own grand fricking schemes and manipulations and whatever the frick it does not have the capacity for it.
        >It wants to eat lifestream, and it wants to not be killed, that is jenova in her entirety.
        that's why sephiroth's master plan is inconsistent and changes all the time. at one point he wants to destroy the planet, other times he wants to use it as a vessel, other times he wants to cleanse it of scum and purify it for the ancients...but the consistency across these motivations is summoning meteor to wound the planet and let the lifestream out for jenova to consume. jenova is influencing him at an unconscious/instinctual level, and his conscious mind tries to assimilate that instinct with his ego and narcissism.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there is nothing in original FF7 about Jenova consuming lifestream
          all of that is inconsistent, AC nonsense

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            fortunately it's not up to you to decide what materials we have at our disposal when we analyze this problem

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              fortunately, it's not up to you to force lousy enix cashgrab headcanon onto others
              the original game stands on its own feet because it's the only consistent thing
              Enix couldn't even properly do the reactor fight in the Last Order, so now we end up with having 3 different Nibelheim events (One with Genesis, one from the original and one where Sephiroth jumps down by himself, into the lifestream)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the version where there's only one piece of media worth considering is the headcanon. in reality there is complication AC and remake to contend with, it's not really a question of whether you like it or think it's "proper" because it isn't your property

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, screw artistic vision and integrity, mickey mouse and goofey are also canon by the way
                moron, lol
                I don't subscribe to cashgrab pseudo continuations which have blatant inconsistencies because the parasitic firm which bought them off doesn't give a shit about the medium, other than it's worth in gold
                again, we have 3 different variations of the Nibelheim scene because of Enix
                If you want to slurp that goyslop, be my guest, but I value consistency in the media I consume and you nor anyone else will not force this slop onto me

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              actually it is, og ff7 is a complete story from beginning to end, everything that came after as a cashgrab is up to you if think it matters but it doesnt matter to ogff7 because as already said its a complete story

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It might not be explicit, but what's the point of a cosmic space virus going from planet to planet destroying/consuming all life before hitching a ride to crash into the next planet if it doesn't get something out of it.

            It's kind of safe to assume that all planets with life in FF7's universe have a lifestream, or otherwise Bugehagen's demonstration is pointless

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Again, any and every assumption is AC tier headcanon
              Jenova could've come from a remote asteroid mining station from all we know, it's deliberately left vague because the mystery behind it fuels the ominous nature of the plot device that is Jenova
              Not everything in literary works needs a 100% elaboration down to the finest and smallest of details
              It's quite literally The Thing of FF7

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Worked for Lavos. Crash into planet, eat it from the inside out, leave after getting all it wants out of it and lets the remains rot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mimicry requires intelligence, now explain how instinctually jenova managed to mimic cetra then fool them into thinking she was one of them. Explain how jenova speaks directly to cloud and calls him a puppet. Explain how jenova knew, instinctually that aerith was a threat to her plan plan to summon meteor. You are a moron and a clown

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's magic, I ain't gonna explain shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Sephiroth is fricking DEAD post-Jenova awakening.

      >Sephiroth's will literally shows up as a spirit in Cloud's head at the end of the game
      >"Nah, man, that was just Jenova's spirit pretending to be Sephiroth's spirit."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >jenova: well, plan A is fricked, who else has my cells?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, Jenova has never been presented as capable of conscious thought. There's a reason everyone compares her to Lavos from Chrono Trigger, which was another mindless meteor monster that was more or less given direction by a villain that could plan and want things. Jenova has maybe one line in VII and it's given after "Sephiroth" turns into a Jenova monster to fight the party.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm translating for convenience

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But Lavos wasn't mindless, it was actually implied to be highly intelligent. It guided humanity's evolution for millions of years, just to make them into the tastiest snacks.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lavos wasn't mindless. When you go inside to kill it- it's like some sort of ascended being/entity of light capable of directing humanity's growth over eons.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jenova is Sephiroth

    Jenova BIRTH->Jenova LIFE->Jenova DEATH->Jenova SYNTHESIS->Sephiroth REBIRTH->Sefer Sephiroth

    The book of enumerations, the entire thing is chronicling the life, death, rebirth and ascension of one being. There was never a distinction, Sephiroth is the brain of an organism spread out across the planet, he moves Jenova cells in the headless corpse and in the clones like you would move your hands and legs.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can see that argument.
    She is the inciting incident of the setting more or less, doing her thing ages ago with the Cetra but by the time we hit ff7 she is more of a plot device than a villain.
    Yes her influence is seen all through the game but shes just a bit too intangible to really be a villain

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally anyone who thinks sephiroth is the brain when he was implanted with the cells of a parasitic alien known to take control of whatever it touches is a fricking moron.
      By this argument, jenova wasn’t the one who fricked the cetra instead it was the cetra woman she took over, that was the actual villain of that time period

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, Jenova is a mindless virus, it just spreads and consumes. Jenova didn't take over a cetra woman, it mimicked the Cetra Thing style. After being sealed away it remained dormant until Sephiroth, the first true successful synthesis of man and Jenova. The reason why Sephiroth is the villain is because he is the culmination of both Shinra and Jenova, the two great plagues on the planet. The Sephiroth Clones are not literally clones, they are trying to copy the idea of what Sephiroth is, man and Jenova fusion, all of them are failures that just become an extension of Sephiroth besides Cloud. Cloud is the only other successful fusion.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All of your reasoning comes from the retcons, in the original game none of this gets implied and you would have to stretch it to think sephiroth was the “brain”.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            homie, in the original game Hojo literally explains all this shit in Reunion scene. Even with FF7's broken ass translation it's plain as day Sephiroth is the brain, the only reason the clones converge in Northern Crater is because that is where Sephiroth is. The function of Reunion is to allow Sephiroth to be reborn as Safer Sephiroth.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The function of Reunion is to allow Sephiroth to be reborn as Safer Sephiroth
              What was the reason for this again? Why did he need the shitty "clones"? I thought reunion was just for Cloud to give him the black Materia. Doesn't Sephiroth literally discard massive chunks of Jenova to fight the party? Wouldn't he need those more than some random experiment that just has a few cells?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He needed the cells to grow his new body. The excess he just used to fight Cloud and company

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This. Hojo states that he thought that the "clones" ("copies" in the Japanese script) would migrate towards Jenova's body in Midgar. But Jenova awoke and moved towards the Northern Crater where Sephiroth was rebuilding his body after effectively dying. Hojo even explicitly states it was "Sephiroth's will".

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Hojo
              Why do people take Hojo for a reliable source? He was an inferior scientist to Ghast, who he killed and stole most of his research from, is shown to run fricking stupid experiments like trying to mate a Cetra with whatever the frick RedXIII's species was, and is blatantly an egomaniac that would love for his son/greatest experiment be something greater than it actually was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Was he really a worse scientist than Ghast? Ghast didn't accomplish anything and came to all wrong conclusions he was just nice. It's not like Ghast is some legendary scientist who invented something Hojo couldn't hope to match, all the super science in 7 stems from Hojo.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The game literally tells you it's Jenova cells, not a virus. Cells. An alien lifeform, genetic experiments.

          homie, in the original game Hojo literally explains all this shit in Reunion scene. Even with FF7's broken ass translation it's plain as day Sephiroth is the brain, the only reason the clones converge in Northern Crater is because that is where Sephiroth is. The function of Reunion is to allow Sephiroth to be reborn as Safer Sephiroth.

          Sephiroth is a baby gestated when Hojo fricked Lucretia and he did gene replacement and cell implantation using the biomatter from Jenova. The game shows you this, that Lucretia is Sephiroth's actual mother and that Hojo is the scientist that genetically fused Jenova to the baby that would become Sephiroth. Even Vincent reveals this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All of your reasoning comes from the retcons, in the original game none of this gets implied and you would have to stretch it to think sephiroth was the “brain”.

        homie, in the original game Hojo literally explains all this shit in Reunion scene. Even with FF7's broken ass translation it's plain as day Sephiroth is the brain, the only reason the clones converge in Northern Crater is because that is where Sephiroth is. The function of Reunion is to allow Sephiroth to be reborn as Safer Sephiroth.

        >The function of Reunion is to allow Sephiroth to be reborn as Safer Sephiroth
        What was the reason for this again? Why did he need the shitty "clones"? I thought reunion was just for Cloud to give him the black Materia. Doesn't Sephiroth literally discard massive chunks of Jenova to fight the party? Wouldn't he need those more than some random experiment that just has a few cells?

        The game literally tells you it's Jenova cells, not a virus. Cells. An alien lifeform, genetic experiments.

        [...]
        Sephiroth is a baby gestated when Hojo fricked Lucretia and he did gene replacement and cell implantation using the biomatter from Jenova. The game shows you this, that Lucretia is Sephiroth's actual mother and that Hojo is the scientist that genetically fused Jenova to the baby that would become Sephiroth. Even Vincent reveals this.

        He needed the cells to grow his new body. The excess he just used to fight Cloud and company

        just because Jenova influences Sephiroth doesn't mean he can't have some of his own will... the presence and virulence of the Jenova cells influences a man unconsciously. he could believe he is acting out his destiny, fulfilling his desire to dominate the planet as the cetra once did, while in reality this is Jenova influencing him to destroy. sephiroth is deluded about the real impact of his actions.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sephiroth gives Jenova higher reasoning and purpose and Jenova gives Sephiroth basic instinctual drive. Their relationship is the same as you have with your own body, Sephiroth moves Jenova like he would his own hand and Jenova moves Sephiroth like your body will motivate you to reach out for food out of hunger.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes, but jenova (body) wins out because the mind loses its reason in its rationalizations. sephiroth is deluded and does not realize his end (domination) is contradicted by his means (meteor, eating lifestream). this shows the conniving nature of the jenova parasite, that it can take advantage of the desires of its host to turn them to its goal.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why did Sephiroth only lose the "battle" for his mind when he found out the truth? He was perfectly fine until he he found out. Why was he not being influenced before that point?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You ever get hit with a revelation that kind of shakes you to your core? It's like that

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He wasn't shaken, he took the information he learned and instantly realized he had the power to exploit jenova and the lifestream to take over the planet and become a God. He even says this.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was influenced in the same way as he's being influenced afterward. Jenova makes him hungry. That's it. There's no battle for control, pre-crisis Sephiroth is a functional sociopath, he has no ability to understand humans but tried to act like them, post crisis he has no reason to hold back.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pre-crisis Sephiroth is a functional sociopath, he has no ability to understand humans but tried to act like them
                headcanon
                and I'm not even referring to CC here
                there's absolutely nothing to indicate this prior to his breakdown in the original game
                what is it with autists in FF7 fanbase being so hell bent on making these stupid asspull headcanons?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i think he is supposed to be a little scary and unsettling in the first mt nibel flashback, plus his ability to take down the dragon while cloud cowers and his reputation as a war hero suggest he is very comfortable with killing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well, he's supposed to appear as stoic, enigmatic and portentous, but this is far removed from sociopathic, judging by his interactions with others
                albeit direct and professional, he honestly opens at moments, even resorting to laughter as a defense mechanism
                he prods at Cloud (Zack, that is) in jest multiple times and emphasizes with Cloud's sentiments in regards to visiting his hometown again, granting him leave to visit family

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There was no battle for his mind occurring is the answer. His one fear came true, and he just embraced it as his cope instead of anything else.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Je-Ne-Viv

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jenova is a parasite leeching off the population
    shinra is a parasite leeching of the planet
    sephiroth is a parasite leeching off the lifestream

    ff7s villain is those who take without giving back

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was hojo

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so why did Hojo turn his own son into an alien hybrid?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trust the science.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It always was, but Sephiroth became it.
    We never knew the real Sephiroth, who by all accounts was a cool guy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the real sephiroth was a cucked beta that went into an incel rage after realizing he is not fully human

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was just the shitty localization, it was supposed to be that getting thar close to the reactor triggered his Jenovah cells to start taking control.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          while I also believe this and it's rather obvious from the context, what is your proof?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've literally thought that since I was a kid. Sephiroth was just Jenova's new pet/proxy, just like the woman it previously took the form of like in OPs image.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      jenova was always a woman

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, Jenova is female even in its natural state. But that human it takes the form of is a specific person.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          proof?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That one's literally explained In the game, it's a cetra woman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a Cetra woman Jenova ate and assumed the shape of.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate how FFVIIR totally missed the point with Sephiroth. He wasn't even really there until the very last minute of the original game, he never cared about Cloud.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sephiroth never cared about the guy who stabbed him and threw him down a reactor
      haha...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cringe post

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think they can still fix it if they pull the twist of the Remake Sephiroth being just Jenova trying to trick Cloud and the party. Well, it would still be moronic, but in a different way

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, Sephiroth post-FFVII never saw Cloud as just "the guy who stabbed me", he always treated him like his eternal rival, his other half and yaoi shit like that. I remember playing Kingdom Hearts when I was a kid and thinking that those two must have had the coolest rivalry ever, and then I played FFVII and... did Sephiroth even remember Cloud?
        I'm aware of the theory of Sephiroth being the one really pulling the strings for the whole game and literally puppeteering Jenova's corpse around the world, but I don't find it as interesting as the alternative

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          (me)
          Shit, meant for

          >Sephiroth never cared about the guy who stabbed him and threw him down a reactor
          haha...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >did Sephiroth even remember Cloud
          It's a good question, since on Junon ship, he literally asks him "Who are you?"?
          There's two possibilities:
          1.) He "woke up" recently and still wasn't in full control of his memories
          2.) He pretended not to know Cloud as to make him doubt himself, gaslight him and ultimately break him - as he did later on

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's the latter. Sephiroth specifically orchestrated everything so it was Cloud who delivered him the black materia, as his ultimate revenge. He has never stopped seething. Everything is about playing up Cloud's own broken narrative and psyche.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It should be noted that despite Sephiroth's godlike powers, Cloud is the one person he sees and treats like a real threat to him, focusing on subterfuge rather than a direct confrontation since that moment in Nibelheim.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's the second one

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1.) He "woke up" recently and still wasn't in full control of his memories
            Yeah this, I think at first Sephiroth in the ship and before that was mostly still just Jenova, while Sephiroth gradually took over as the plot went on.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cloud got juiced with J-cells along with Zack and yet was able to resist turning over thanks to his will and his bonds with others.
          It's really that simple tbh, it's in the original as well.
          Sephiroth knows Cloud is J-cell juiced because he can manipulate those who have the cells. But he can't fully control Cloud...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, lol. Anomaly Sephiroth is clearly his own entity. We don't know what yet but it seems likely he's almost certainly from outside of the Beagle world, possibly a Sephiroth that won and became a god. The edge of creation scene makes it abundantly clear this is a untethered Sephiroth with his own motivations independent of the Jenova/sephiroth that exist in the Beagle timeline/world. He has the ability to cut open portals Vergil style into weird pocket dimensions. It's gonna be interesting to see what they do with the usual Sephiroth that exists in the Beagle world.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No, lol. Anomaly Sephiroth
          I'm sorry I don't care about the dumb timeline stuff, Nomura is a fricking hack.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It didnt miss the point. Pay attention. Two galaxies that that you're looking at during the edge of creation scene and there's the one that that we're looking towards which is your world and then there's the one behind it and that they refer to it as the universe of Destruction and the universe of creation or the life and death right now weirdly Cloud's universe is the one that's referred to as the universe of destruction and the other one is considered the universe of life the one that will become a part of it someday so another detail to this is the pause menu in rebirth takes you to the Temple of the Ancients right so you are in the temple of the Ancients regardless of where you are what is the Temple of the Ancients the Temple of the Ancients isn't where the black material is the Temple of the Ancients is the black Materia yeah so it's almost as if they're in the black Materia because I think a lot of times we hear the life stream and we think oh is the life stream the afterlife not really that's not what the life stream is the life stream is not you know the afterlife the life stream is the functional mechanic that drives the entire universe system forward and there are more than one there are like actually Four named life streams there's the stagnant life stream there's the negative life stream and you could argue that those are both the same thing it's probably that they just didn't think about it real hard and then there's a universal life stream so it's like there's all these life streams so it's possible that what the black materia is because if you look at the walls of the black materia and if you read like say the ultimania descriptions of why the walls in the temple of the Ancients look the way they do it's because they are a time capsule right so the timekeeper there and then they have pictures of all the different phases of the cetra history so it's like a time capsule so it's as if the black Materia is making a backup copy of a universe

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Redo that and use punctuation. And paragraphs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there's the stagnant life stream there's the negative life stream and you could argue that those are both the same thing
        In my day people used their autism to do something useful like maths or engineering

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well that's not totally true. There's a reason he fricks with Cloud's mind as well as uses him to get him the Black Materia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        speaking of which, why the frick would Sephiroth need Cloud to get the Black Materia for him?
        There is no logical reason, surely he could've done it himself

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because he was still only half a body in that mako crystal in the Northern Cave. I also think he didn't know how to retrieve it safely either.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like

          It's the latter. Sephiroth specifically orchestrated everything so it was Cloud who delivered him the black materia, as his ultimate revenge. He has never stopped seething. Everything is about playing up Cloud's own broken narrative and psyche.

          said it was revenge. He either deliberately, or with knowledge of what would happen, tosses Cloud into the lifestream after, just like Cloud did to him.

          It should be noted that despite Sephiroth's godlike powers, Cloud is the one person he sees and treats like a real threat to him, focusing on subterfuge rather than a direct confrontation since that moment in Nibelheim.

          It's funny how Cloud was weakest when he tried to be like Zack and other SOLDIERs, but when when he was himself he is capable of defeating Sephiroth.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The true hero was always inside Cloud, he just needed to be confident enough to realize it
            His issue is always confidence

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not a logical reason. It's revenge. Cloud is perhaps the only human Sephiroth actually does care about.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you miss the part where the ancients safety measures made the temple shrink itself and killed whoever was inside that tried to get the materia or what?
          The only reason they even got the materia is because of aerith and her ancients connection speaking to her and helping her, which sephiroth doesn't have being that jenova is literally their arch enemy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, the sepiroth at the end of part 1 is the sephiroth from the og game.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't JENOVA or Sephiroth it was capitalism

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually based and true, but that’s more of a literary theme

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humanity turned Sephiroth into a monster
    How is he supposed to identify with other humans when he was never treated like one?

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sephiroth incels will always be moronic and wrong. Jenova was the real villain and the one pulling the strings. It is utter cope to think that a human juiced by the cells of a parasitic alien that controls people infected by it would overtake the will of said parasitic alien.
    You’re all morons

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if I believe Sephiroth and Jenova really do care about eachother and have a mother/son relationship and they were working together the whole time?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wholesome galaxy spanning adventure to infest and destroy planets? Fund it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The "parasitic alien" is dead buddy. Each individual cell is not the alien and is not sentient in itself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean I could see it happening.
      Thing is Sephiroth completely drops his own ambitions and devotes himself to Jenova's existing motives. So I don't even get where the idea of him taking control fits in. At best, he willingly gave into Jenova's will.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The parasitic alien has no will. It is an animalist creature that devours and replicates because that is it's nature. It had no higher intellect as far as the game shows. Sephiroth perfectly merged with the cells so his mind took over the collective. By the end of the game Sephiroth IS Jenova.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was Jenovaroth.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's intentionally ambiguous, dumbos
    i bet the remake will undoubtedly put sephiroth in charge simply because he's popular, they already wanked him off 24/7 in the first part where he shouldn't even appear at all

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nothing ambiguous about it, the game spells it out for you
      the clones congregate at Sephiroth's new body, not Jenova's body at the Shinra building
      imagine being filtered by the plot of a 20+ year old game, holy shit you're all moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he still buys into hojo's mental moronation
        LMAO

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He wasn't wrong, it's just that Sephiroth decided to make it come true, knowing that Hojo had been working on the reunion for ages. After the Nibleheim reactor incident he realized that he too was infused with Jenova, and through his own will decided to side with Jenova instead of humans.
          A broken clock is correct at least once a day.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he wouldn't breed aerith
          gay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >breeding aerith with an animal
            furgay

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No I meant me personally breeding her, not the dog.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's always agency and decision making
    sometimes bad people concede to having an excuse
    sephiroth didn't have to try and drop meteor, he wanted to

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but the REAL villain
    who cares

    sephiroth was cool
    jenova was cool
    hojo was cool

    literally who cares who the "real" villain is

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is proof of some people's inability to simply read, the game spends a whole segment telling the player that Sephiroth hijacked Jenova through the Lifestream and now has complete control over those who have Jenova's cells, I'd understand having the opposite interpretation if the game left it ambiguous but it doesn't, it's pretty fricking clear.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's pretty clear if you're not a subhuman, shitskin sub 80 iq Gankerermin
      the game never once presupposes that Jenova is in control. Not one character even considers that possibility and that's for a clear narrative reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that was just hojo's theory
      if you didn't pay attention, he was always fricking wrong and a hack according to sephiroth himself

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His initial theory was that the Reunion will occur at Jenova's main body in the Shinra HQ. He admits he was wrong and elaborates why, because Sephiroth's body was instead a congregating point

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >will congregate at the main body
          >he was wrong because SEPHIROTH
          It would make sense that jenovas brain is in her head, which dropped to the memestream with sephiroths corpse. What are you going to suggest next? Sephiroth ate jenovas head? Jenovas brain should be “dead” even tho we see its limbs functioning?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sephiroth is Jenova's brain. It's not a real body, look at the fricking eye staring out of "her" breast. It's a mass of cells mimicking a Cetra woman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Explain where the head is then lol
            It obviously got evaporated in the livestream, otherwise, it'd be in the crystalline formation Sephiroth uses to regenerate himself
            You can't even prove Jenova is a conscious entity to begin with, or whether it needs brain to begin with, since the headless body in Shinra HQ "moved on its own"
            your headcanon is just that - headcanon

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Jenova head shows up in Advent Children, Shinra recovered it and as the last surviving mass of J-Cells the twink trio uses it to revive Sephiroth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wrong
                also, not canon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't her head lost in the lifestream? How would ShinRa even get it back from that?

                [...]
                Sure, but I mean where it came from, if it has a homeworld or how it launched into space.

                I think the same thing about Lavos from Chrono Trigger all the time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's the point - they never did
                they realized the mistake and elaborated in an interview that "head" was a misnomer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Calling Rufus a doofus
                He dove into the stream himself to get it back. Never doubt el presidente again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lel

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All to get head from Sephiroth's mother. What a chad.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jenova was found by the scientist before hojo, I forget his name. He talks about how it was found if you interact with his lab in the snow area. Via video tape recordings

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wasn't her head lost in the lifestream?
                To play devils advocate, literally the entire lifestream came to the surface to stop meteor, it's not beyond reason that if they wanted to actually make it the head it could have just been fired out then like everything else down there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what I remember, the game explicitly stating that Sephiroth entered the lifestream and took control of Jenova overwhelming her will with his own.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only competent and knowledgeable planetologist we meet is in fact bugenhagen, who doesn't say this. anything said by cloud or any of the party members, except maybe vincent or cait sith, has to be regarded as unscientific, they simply don't have a planetological understanding and are speculating about "forces" and "will" just like we are. it's as good as mythology.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes, this is why they are doing the sephiroth redemption arc for rebirth.
    in fact, I'm sure the third game will be called Redemption and have Zack, Genesis, and Sephiroth fighting with Cloud to help rid the planeet of jenova once and for all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm sure the third game will be called Redemption and have Zack, Genesis, and Sephiroth fighting with Cloud to help rid the planeet of jenova once and for all.
      yeah, good call
      they're basically gonna turn Sephiroth into a Kain-like figure from Soul Reaver
      a tragic anti-hero who through an elaborate, villain-like scheme and selfish designs, ultimately redeems himself and deals with a greater evil oppressing him
      LoK has been Enix's IP for a long time and there are interviews around detailing Nomura and Nojima's (?) obsession with the franchise

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is so anime I don't doubt it. They would still kill Sephiroth in the end as the ultimate redemption, though.
      Then pan to a new timeline/multiverse where he never went apeshit or something.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i-it was jenova the whole time!
    then why are there sephiroth "clones" from failed soldiers

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the game ever tell Jenova's origin or is it just some alien thing that kills off worlds just because?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just because
      Beacause

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just because
      It's literally a space virus. The planet is a living being that all life on it is born from, jenova is a parasitic virus that intends to use that energy to reproduce.
      It is like asking why the bubonic plague killed half of humanity. There is no greater reason, it was just a means of efficient reproduction for the virus.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's hungry

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Just because
        It's literally a space virus. The planet is a living being that all life on it is born from, jenova is a parasitic virus that intends to use that energy to reproduce.
        It is like asking why the bubonic plague killed half of humanity. There is no greater reason, it was just a means of efficient reproduction for the virus.

        Sure, but I mean where it came from, if it has a homeworld or how it launched into space.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I don't know if I want the remake to go into more detail about Jenova, or keep her vague and mysterious.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the less ambiguous it is the better. everyone hated the ending to ff7 because it was the biggest wtf ever. they made AC to fix it and now they're doing remake to explain the other holes in the originals story

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off lol

        Also any of the fake FF7 scholars citing Advent Children or any extended universe shit, I'm revoking your licenses

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          advent children is what compilationgays wanted and they got it (even more so with the AC Complete directors cut), in spite of OG FF7 fans who hate everything ever made based on the game.
          Think again, why should the company appease to a dozen purists who will simply turrn around and say "Thanks I hate it" for everything they do, when they got a massive Kingdom Hearts fandom who will pay for anything with Cloud's face on it?
          some people hate the compilation so much they want to de-canonize it through sheer force of wishful thinking and go full XV-kun on every 7R thread to profess their love for Sakaguchi and whine that people keep "defending" 7R, CC and every other compilation thing.

          why should I say why I like advent children anyway? anything I say about it will be invalidated because muh taste. consider the plot here: it puts an effort to build upon the orriginal and doesn't merely reeenact the game's events. this by itself is a good thing for me, because I'm a compilationgay who wants to see the VII canon grow into an autism multiverse.
          then all it takes for you is to say "nope, the extended universe is shit so it sucks". what was achieved in this discussion? did I fail to "prove" the film is good, then? iff you engage anyone who likes the thing expecting them to scientifically justify and legally prove their taste with airtight evidence, you ain't neutral for shit.
          >I'm gonna like the good stuff and call out the bad stuff. but don't you dare "defend" it!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but a movie is shit when you need an entire novel to elaborate on key plot points going on in the movie
            Advent Children was "Somehow, Palpatine returned" before nu-Star Wars
            All of the lifestream shenanigans, Sephiroth making up the trio from the memories of how others perceive him because he lost his own etc etc is in the fricking novel, the movie is just there for a visual spectacle with little substance or reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        everything you said is wrong and you are legitimately low iq

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone saying it's provably true one way or another in the original game is a tard imo. There's hints both ways. His body could always potentially be a projection, he's identity could always be compromised in some way by the nature of fusing with an extraterrestrial psychic monster such that he is not the same Sephiroph from the flashback. It's also entirely possible that we're all gay for even thinking about this.

    I always thought it was more interesting, though, if Sephiroph didn't exist as anything more than a projection.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's a projection in the sense that the original is sending his will out through the life stream and incarnating using Jenova Cells as a medium.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Sephiroth in the flashback is cold and narcissistic even before he realizes he's infused with Jenova cells. Nothing changed about that after Cloud throws him into the lifestream, he continues to be just as much as a manipulative butthole.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jenova is actually a virus that infects and modifies/mutates its host to follow the Jenova planet killing lifecycle.

    The 'body' that Jenova first appeared in was a mutated Ancient. That's why the scientist thought Jenova was an Ancient

    Sephiroth was infected by Jenova, so although he's the actual villain, he's that way because of the Jenova virus (helped by his weakened mental state at the time of infection)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The idea that Sephiroph was able to overpower Jenova through his willpower always seemed inplausible to me, but on the other hand maybe the ability to do over nine thousand hitpoints of damage in a single attack implies a degree of mental discipline & fortitude separate from the one that stops you from totally b***hing out over nothing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The point is that the virus modifies the host's behavior and goal like in real life examples. So in essence Jenova turned Sephiroth into a full blown villain.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The 'body' that Jenova first appeared in was a mutated Ancient.
      This is also untrue. It had to come to the planet in the first place through space, it wasn't a fricking cetra when it did that, it landed as jenova. The game tells you about its mimicry capabilities to establish that it mimicked the cetra to blend in and not get itself punted, at no point does it imply that mimicry is deleting its original body and taking over the body of a cetra though, the implication is that it just makes its own body take that form.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, that's just how it seems to the Cetra. When in reality it was infecting them and modifying their behaviors and bodies.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they say shes a monster
    >that she can peer inside you
    >into the very depths of your soul
    >that she become those you hate
    >those you fear
    >those you love

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no shit, everything spawns from her
    I get that with hindsight it was smarter for the canon to make sephy the big bad of the whole thing, and while he's not exactly innocent, he's not responsible for the events of 7

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jenova in control makes more sense than Sephiroth because it better explains how this relatively nice guy who is everyone's hero and gets along even with common soldiers like Cloud could suddenly flip and become a genocidal maniac, but unfortunately that's not what the game intended.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, some dude whose biggest fear was being different or a monster having a breakdown because he actually is a monster - and then deciding, well I should make the most of it and become a supervillain is kind of weird.

      Obviously he wasn't super afraid of being a monster at all.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No because that would be admitting that FF7's writing was interesting. You see being the genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing. :^) Oh wait, just got an update. It was all an awful face-scanned celebrity cameo's doing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about, schizo?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gackt is the main antagonist of the entire FF7 ""franchise"" No coping will save you from this fact.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lavos infects the planet and then he is merged with Schala creating the time devourer.
    So it isn't really Schala anymore.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Time devourer
      What are you talking about anon? Some non canon nonsense?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the bridging lore between Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross.
        Chrono Cross has its own obsessed fanbase.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So it isn't really Schala anymore.
      You're right because it was most likely meant to be an alternate dimension Kid in early development. They even used the same model as Kid when she is hospitalized. Couldn't even be bothered to change the polygon hair to blue. I swear Cross was meant to be its own thing before higher ups demanded more Trigger connections.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah Seph's massive ego ensured his mind was the one in control.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he just happened to have the exact same agenda, what a cosmic coincidence

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean he basically saw it as his birthright since he was convinced he was Jenova's son and Jenova was a planet eating monster.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        we literally don't know about Jenova's agenda, other than the fact it's some form of a hostile parasite lifeform bent on destruction
        Sephiroth seeks godhood and dominion over the world to "cure" himself of his inferiority complex due to being bested by Cloud

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meteor would have destroyed the planet, and him along with it
          he was played for a chump, a promise of being a god if he summoned the big rock, when all it was ever meant to do was destroy everything including him

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he'd know better than anyone, considering the fact he absorbed the collective knowledge of all the Ancients and even those who came after them
            the rest is headcanon or outright not canon

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think it's safe to say that the black materia had never been used before sephiroth
              and it came from the planet itself, being a materia and all
              it's all speculation, so we have to infer what's most likely

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he has various different plans throughout his appearances, but the one consistency is using meteor to accomplish them. that represents the conflict between the conscious mind of an egomaniac, and the unconscious instinct of a jenova clone

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just give me some spooky The Thing/Slither flashbacks to really hammer home how much of a cosmic terror this b***h is.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the entire narrative of FF7 is about how you can't trust what you see because unseen forces are dictating your limitations and possibilities and even your own actions and memories.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You loved Remake, didn't you?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not as much as i loved the three different nibelheim flashbacks in FF7, each one showing that the one before it was wrong in a crucial way

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wtf anon you weren't supposed to read any of the text or actually pay attention to any part of that long-ass game. this is an old good new bad discussion, get with the program

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like you got him triggered.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You really have the saddest existence I can imagine

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No Sephiroth is but the fact that it was Sephiroth the entire time will never not be moronic. Everything from Midgar to obtaining Black Materia? Jenova's doing? Nope! It. Was. All. Sephiroth's. Doing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's only moronic because you treat them like seperate characters. It's the Diavolo/Doppio effect. There isn't a line between Sephiroth and Jenova, they are functionally one being.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You literally fight her right before Sephiroth.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You fight a pieces of Jenova all game long. And they all form a themed naming convention chronicling its lifecycle, from Jenova to Sephiroth.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.
        Up until after Nibelheim 1, Sephiroth is in control as himself, in harmony with his JENOVA cells (being pretty much the perfect SOLDIER and fusing with them 100%) and JENOVA isn't doing much of anything except being stuck in the test tube to be distilled and dripped into the eyes of SOLDIER candidates and whatever the frick else Hojo wants to do with her.
        Sephiroth goes schizo, decapitates JENOVA, Cloud First Strikes him, he falls into the mako/lifestream holding JENOVA's head. He spends a period in the mako crockpot with JENOVA's head, becoming a big juicy and fall-off-the-bone stew of each other (him already having a dick full of her cells probably helped). His body ends up encased in mako at the north crater and bits of JENOVA make their way around mimicking him during the events of FF7 proper. Both of them are in the driver's seat working towards their mutual goals of summoning meteor, absorbing the lifestream, becoming a god, consuming all, and most importantly, fricking with Cloud every chance they get.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cloud was the most capable candidate to retrieve the black materia and deliver it, it wasn't personal but their history made him easier to manipulate
          cloud wasn't the only one with that mission, all the hooded goons you come across had the same goal, only they were mumbling morons too broken to be useful

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the moment i see genesis is the instant i close the game and uninstall it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man I used to post so many times about how he's never going to show and that to claim otherwise is just doomposting, but now it's possible I have had to do a full 180 and change my story to how him appearing makes sense and will probably be done well if it happens.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man I used to post so many times about how he's never going to show and that to claim otherwise is just doomposting, but now it's possible I have had to do a full 180 and change my story to how him appearing makes sense and will probably be done well if it happens.

      I like genesis :^) and the tsviets :^)
      if only the writers wrote more than 5% of his dialogue as actual dialogue instead of loveless

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For anyone who did not enter the series with this game it was obvious due it being just a weird mix of FF6 and CT. Jenova is Lavos and Hojo is Zeal and Jenova's containment even looks like the Mammon Machine.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hojo is kind of the main villain but for some reasons the characters just kind of forget about things he's done.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about. They straight up kill him the second time they're in Midgar.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's exactly what I'm talking about. They should have looked for and killed him countless times before he was close to destroying the entire planet.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a question.
    Do I need to play ff7 (original) to be able to enjoy ff7 remake?
    would it increase my enjoyment?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It'd probably ruin the remake for you because you'd realize why FF7 is still so popular even today.
      Also the remake somehow took the first 5 hours of the original and made it into a 30 hour game.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ff7 remake isn't a remake, it's a timeloop sequel that doesn't make sense unless you have been keeping up with the past 25 years of spinoffs and retcons.
      ff7 is a perfectly good game on its own. just play that and forget about the rest.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its good to play og first but you dont have to play it at all if you play remake it tell you everything but leave some mistery so you want next game to find out what happening with sephiroth. my friend buy remake and not play og and he say great game and love the mistery

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're completely different games. The "remake" isn't really a true remake. You'd be a bit of a Philistine for playing the remake first, but I doubt that you'd really be clueless about anything going on in it. I will say that as someone who really liked the original game that I felt I saw everything I needed to see in the first Remake and have no interest in playing them rest of them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >would it increase my enjoyment?
      There's two answers to this. It will increase your enjoyment of the ff7 universe, characters and lore and locations yes.
      It will however make you enjoy remake less because remake is a substantially worse game than ff7

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you played the original, you cannot enjoy the demake.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Remake" is just a subtitle for what is essentially FF7-2. The game is terribly padded out with "quests" on a linear pathway. The combat has a good flow when you can efficiently juggle your party members and their actions, but it can still feel clunky since enemy AI does a 180 to focus on who you're playing as, even up to the final boss.

      >TLDR;
      Play the original, and just watch FF7R's cutscenes on Youtube.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      100% definitely play OG first. And play remake don't listen to anons telling you not to play it or to just watch the cutscenes, play it and form your own opinion.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NO

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i want to lick her eye nipple

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy cute

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did they bring back weiss and nero? what the frick is nomura cooking up? its also pretty obvious genesis will return aswell and all of it is just weird because sephiroth still seems like the big bad due to knowing the multiple timelines and shit so what is the point of these characters?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >due to knowing the multiple timelines
      Pure fan conjecture.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why did they bring back weiss and nero?
      They bricked themselves with the midgar limitation and lack of content. They needed a superboss for clouds party for the dlc, and they couldn't just make it some dogshit fight with a monster or another sephiroth or a fight that didn't exist in the original.
      They also bricked themselves because it was limited to midgar, so their only option was the fricking vr room. And weiss is not only a) a wasted character in the universe but b) canonically one of only two c**ts that could actually be a real fight in vr due to their powers instead of just a program
      Plus the end of dirge scene is the biggest and probably only cliffhanger that exists in the ff7 universe anymore

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He read the books in the mansion and was pissed off with being an alien what's wrong with that

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish

    The writers only use as a plot device

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Clouds character is supposed to be that he's just copying Zack
    >but other than doing squats he acts completely different from Zack

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He acts how he thinks a hot shit 1st class SOLDIER should act. Not how they are.
      Cloud bought in to the propaganda that they were cool collected spec ops, instead of the unstable head cases they were.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People who say he's copying or even thinks he's zack are just coping. The only moment he truly acts and self inserts as Zack is in the nibel event, that's why he is that strange compared to our current Cloud.

      If we had to pick someone our Cloud is inspired by in his behavior, it is probably Sephiroth before nibelheim. The thing is that current Cloud is a blend of his ideal of how a perfect soldier should act.
      Zack was never cold or distant.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are a few moments where he takes decisions based on how someone like Zack would behave, but in general his persona is the inverse of Zack.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he copied Zack's mannerisms, his personality is that of his concept of an ideal SOLDIER

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Even his manneirisms is something hard to say because he doesnt even do shit like squats. They only share 2-3 similar poses and that's it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Zack was never cold or distant.
        This is a player viewpoint. The reality is cloud does not know zack that well at all outside of work, you might see zack get lovey with aerith or emotional with angeal or help people in the slums, whatever, cloud doesn't know ANY of that shit, he can only interalize the qualities and behaviour of zack that he was actually witness to

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ? what
          They were friends dude, and interacted. Why the frick would you believe that butthole persona is what Cloud infered from Zack's behavior.

          And the other point also doesnt help because Zack had one personality and that's it, he didnt even change the way he acted between normal people or his soldier friends.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were friends dude, and interacted.
            AT WORK. They did not hang around 24/7 outside of work, he was a grunt that zack took under his wing. They didn't even get put on most missions together
            So like sure, yeah, they were friends but you're wildly overstating how deep or long that friendship actually was.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then explain what these posts(

              In demo Rebirth footage we see Cloud acting exactly like Zack in the Nibel flashback. So Cloud does know how Zack acts.
              He just...doesnt act like him.

              You're acting like Cloud saw Zack from far away like he does with Sephiroth. But they were friends, your point doesnt make sense.
              Your idea fits a lot more if you changed Zack for Sephiroth. Rebirth having Cloud doing a 1:1 of Zack also tells how he does know how Zack is.

              ) say. Cloud can perfectly emulate the idiotic behavior from zack, so why he apparently doesnt know him now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I laughed about idiotic behavior but it is just true. The guy doesnt even know how materia works.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Touché

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then explain
                rebirth is not ff7 it is a bunch of morons going back and altering things, there's your explanation. we have the entirety of crisis core and last order to see just how much cloud and zack interacted

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you cant, i see.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or maybe you put pre-incident Sephiroth on too high of a pedestal.

                I'm really looking forward to the flashback. Crisis Core-era Sephiroth is so cool. He knows he's the best and chocks up his skill to his own hard work and determination. He wasn't mindfricked until he did research and found out he was a product of Jenova's cells and that so much of his strength came from it.

                Inspecting something is a puzzle to you?

                Did you have a good day at work today

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm none of those guys but am having an acceptable day at work, in case you were curious.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In demo Rebirth footage we see Cloud acting exactly like Zack in the Nibel flashback. So Cloud does know how Zack acts.
          He just...doesnt act like him.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're acting like Cloud saw Zack from far away like he does with Sephiroth. But they were friends, your point doesnt make sense.
          Your idea fits a lot more if you changed Zack for Sephiroth. Rebirth having Cloud doing a 1:1 of Zack also tells how he does know how Zack is.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've known this since I first played FF7. People are so fricking dumb.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm ready to accept that I will never be a space traveller gigachad like Hojo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Im still mad that the moronic translators made Hojo spoil that Cloud wasnt in SOLDIER in Remake.
      Everyone knows Aeris dies, but my friends didnt know about Zack or SOLDIER.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your friend is a fricking moron and should play the original.

        This is a sequel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's called FF7 Remake not FF7 Sequel.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's amazing with how much he fricks with Cloud that people don't realize how salty Sephiroth is about about being back stabbed.

    Guess that's what a cool poker face does for a guy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it makes total sense Sephiroth being obsessed about Cloud, i would be so fricking mad if a random human killed be when i believe i'm a god. Can you imagine the humiliation, Sephiroth was always kinda cold but he had great pride in his skills.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It does!

        Honestly its kind of like Vincent where if you didn't
        pay attention he just seems "Cool"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it doesnt even make sense because sephiroth can fly effortlessly so how was he thrown into the lifestream? he could also have just let go of the sword or used firaga or stop or something

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally always was, sephiroth is just a nerd tho that's what people don't get, he didn't spam supernova because he's strong like a super sayan, he used astrophysic and mathematics to do it, his sword skills suck compared to his intelligence.
    Also Rinoa is Ultimecia and Squall is griever

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did 7 get so much spinoff media, all of which is prequel stuff as opposed to sequel content?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      advent children? dirge of cerberus?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Main bads were dead and you can't go back from the world almost ending

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Before crisis and cc are prequels
      Dirge and AC are sequels.
      Kinda balanced.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rebirth added puzzle padding to the Nibelhelm flashback
    Is that really fricking necessary

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Inspecting something is a puzzle to you?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you haven't seen the footage you can just say so anon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Inspecting something is a puzzle to you?

        according to Zommers, yes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm really looking forward to the flashback. Crisis Core-era Sephiroth is so cool. He knows he's the best and chocks up his skill to his own hard work and determination. He wasn't mindfricked until he did research and found out he was a product of Jenova's cells and that so much of his strength came from it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They made Cloud and Sephiroth basically the same level of strength now so half the point of it from a narrative perspective is gone.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or maybe you put pre-incident Sephiroth on too high of a pedestal.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the group are listening to Cloud tell a story about pulling levers

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hojo is the real villain. The whole game is dealing with the aftermath of his reckless science experiments. At the very least, he’s the reason for the story of FF7.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.yinza.com/Fandom/Script/30.html#failure

    "I have been waiting for the Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the Clones have begun to return.
    I thought the clones would begin to gather at Midgar where Jenova is stored.
    But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra Building.
    But being a genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing.
    Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the Lifestream; he wants to manipulate the Clones himself."

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they don't know that the true villain will be revealed in FF7-R as Pierce Brosnan

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the sephiroth fight in the crisis core remake is so hard
    also yeah all the compilation bullshit is so stupid because they do the same thing the sequels for star wars do and drag up the main villain to fight him 300 times as well as other characters to the entirety of the original game's plot first
    >sephiroth found out he was an alien hybrid, no, actually genesis found it out and told him. also angeal and zach know this and also sephiroth and tseng know cloud too

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the original game, Sephirot is a tragic figure, a hero who is corrupted by the power that gave birth to him. He was an actual hero and treated those bellow him well.
    He is only in control in the sense that Jenova is parasitic and all "personality" is drawn from the host.
    I don't care what the sequels say, Sephirot objective is Jenova's objective, wound the planet and feed from the lifestream with the same modus operandi.
    In what meaningful way is Sephirot in control if all he really wants to do is what Jenova wants to do anyway? Why would the actual Septh want to destroy the planet? Doesn't make any fricking sense. To become a god? what for?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Sephiroth believes he is superior to everyone else.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because of the jenova injection

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sephiroth was injected with Jenova before he was even born.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            right so he instinctually craves world domination

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thought it was hojo?

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kind of assumed that was always the case and the Sephiroth we were fighting was more of a "The Thing" situation.

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Jenova is the thing but Sephiroth is anime the thing. He assumes direct control of his clones and Jenova to manifest in the real world while the real body controls them from his literal mancave.

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sephiroth's father is hojo so it's not like he had a chance on that side of the family either

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