Both types are electromagnetic radiation. Whether the object glows or not is irrelevant, and simply means the thermal radiation happens to be in the human visible spectrum (not ultraviolet).
Yes, it fucking is. Are you retarded? Thermal radiation is literally heat transfer through electromagnetic radiation, aka light (and radio, and xrays, and infrared, and ultraviolet...)
Photos do not need a medium to pass through. Unless the object radiating heat is producing EM radiation it needs a medium to transfer the heat. Heat transfer is a pretty big subject in most engineering curriculum for a reason.
LMAO the sun isnt radiating, it's emitting fucking EM radiation that is travelling to earth, its not a fucking radiator its literally a nuclear ball of fire blasting light at us
> it's emitting fucking EM radiation that is travelling to earth,
That’s literally the definition of heat radiation. Stop think of the kind of radiators you attach to your HVAC system, it’s a misnomer
The sun is actually a big satellite with heat sinks but God didn't think of that, lmao isn't God retarded? Doesn't he know things can't cool down in space
Dude doesn't that prove it?
The sun has been radiating heat forever and it's still hot.
If I heat up my leftovers they will get cold after a few minutes.
There you go, you need air to cool stuff.
Are you people for real? Heat Radiation is the emission of heat through space as electromagnetic radiation this happens even in a vacuum. It’s convection that requires air/water/some fluid to get rid of heat.
The limit to how much heat a theoretical computer could get rid off would depend on its surface area and it’s surroundings/location i.e. it would be able to radiate far more heat on the dark side of the moon than one the sunlit portions of the moon.
They're the same temperature but this is a silly question. What you should be asking is what are the thermodynamic implications of load-bearing circuitry in a vacuum and what is the energy limit before thernal runaway in both scenarios?
Ill drop an info on this that some anons might find intriguing. One outer layer of the earths atmosphere, the thermosphere, reaches a couple thousands of celcius degrees, (like 2k-3kF plus for you retardicans) but if you were there you would likely freeze to death, because theres not much density of matter to transfer that temperature in heat to you.
Air transfers the heat a lot more than a vacuum does. A million degrees in a vacuum will be far less atoms transferring the heat into anything bumping into them than air.
But given the context of the OP image the problem isn't as much "what's hotter" but rather "what's more thermally conductive". A supercomputer's heat won't have anywhere else to disperse and both environments would be terrible places to place one in. The moon might actually be worse if it is not encased in a protective structure because the lack of atmosphere causes all the dust and particles on the moon to remain sharp rather than get dulled over time, and it fucks with materials.
Moons surface still has rock from the surface to disperse into, not counting some atmosphere that it would have if it was any big even if it's not dense
Not gonna claim I'm smarter or anything cause I'm 99% sure they probably did some shit like getting an astrophysicist to check the math on it but wouldn't radiation fuck it up?
>I'm 99% sure they probably did some shit like getting an astrophysicist
Why would you even imagine they’d do this, never mind be certain of it. Why would they care?
Bioware got some kind of decent science or science fiction writer to do all their planet descriptions in Mass Effect. Like, why wouldn't you, that's going to be a drop in the ocean of your budget and it made the setting so much more credible.
that's not it, it's a thermodynamics problem.
A computer running in a vacuum can only cools itself by radiating heat, while a computer running in a non-void space like atmosphere or liquid will also radiate heat AND transfer heat by conduction and convection
means it's much more easy to cool a computer in the ocean for example, than on the moon or the "void of space"
Radiation is also a massive problem, it's very very bad for electronics. That's why satellite cards are built with a billion redundancies and self-checks
It depends. at some point it no longer becomes viable to cool a computer in the ocean or in the artic. once you get to the mega project scale its impossible to make a computer efficient enough that wont dump copious amounts of waste heat into your host planet.
Funny part: radiation is already fucking up your computer. Right now. Components of the complexity that you're using to post on this image board have to be error corrected because at this scale they have enough spontaneous errors due to things that include regular cosmic ray incidence.
Yeah that's what I said, but they spent several years seeing these errors and not having any clue what caused them. It was very unexpected. Now basically every complex digital device needs to take them into account.
Yeah that's what I said, but they spent several years seeing these errors and not having any clue what caused them. It was very unexpected. Now basically every complex digital device needs to take them into account.
none of this is true btw, it's just some bullshit a youtube account peddled after a mario 64 speedrunner got caught cheating. And even in the context of the video the guy said it was something ridiculous like a 1 in a trillion chance of it ever happening in the first place
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none of this is true btw, it's just some bullshit a youtube account peddled after a mario 64 speedrunner got caught cheating. And even in the context of the video the guy said it was something ridiculous like a 1 in a trillion chance of it ever happening in the first place
Enjoy your hard-earned you:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.206.4420.776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error
They absolutely did not
Game devs who wrote intelligently in the past just used to be smart people, not a bunch of retards and women who farmed out shit to others
Anon, please. The heatsink has to transfer that heat somewhere. All heatsinks do is reject heat into the atmosphere. When there is no atmosphere you cannot cool a localized hotspot, you just build up more and more heat until critical failure.
Heat sinks radiate heat even in a vacuum as long as the surrounding environment of the heat sink is colder than the heat sink. It won’t dissipate as much heat as a heat sink with air our water blowing over it but it will still get rid of heat. How do you think the astronauts in the ISS don’t boil alive inside their space stations? Those wing thingies on the outside are radiators, not solar panels.
>if you put the body in the sunlight it will get hot
no fucking shit retard, who would do that when the goal is to cool it
>no you don’t understand my le heckun science is more valid than yours >huh? Experimentation? Research paper? Citations? Nah I’ll just keep repeating over and over again what I heard in a video essay yesterday
>low IQ retard doesn't understand things so he acts like a woman
sad
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Literally all you’ve typed is words and you think you’ve proven us all wrong with facts and logic. Any retard can write a bunch of drivel and pretend everyone who disagrees is just an idiot. Prove it little retard, prove it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>prove how heat transfer works
LMAO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conductivity_and_resistivity
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wikipedia
But I’m the low IQ retard of course
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>attacking the source when he can't formulate an argument >arguing in the first place because you're a low IQ drop out retard
lmao
I fucking cringed when I came across this. Beyond low IQ. I can't believe how god awful stupid videogame writers are. Legitimately too stupid to even write young adult fiction, an editor would catch that and have them change it before publishing, but it gets right through in a videogame. Pathetic.
Doesn't water freeze in space? Couldn't you do something involving rapid cooling related to that or something? Surely there's be a system in which a vaccume is of benefit to cooling
Ah I got it mixed with the claim that piss crystalizes, maybe since water boils you could do something involving really quick dissipation? Opening and closing an iris to shift states. Also don't they say there's frozen water on the moon?
The reason heat dissipates on the surface of the planet is it heats up the air around it. Thats why your pc/console has a big heatsink with fins and fans blowing air through it. Radiating heat in the vacuum of space is a lot harder. If they really wanted to keep it really cold they would have put it under and icy ocean or something as water is far better than air for cooling things down
Both types are electromagnetic radiation. Whether the object glows or not is irrelevant, and simply means the thermal radiation happens to be in the human visible spectrum (not ultraviolet).
I'm just trying to keep it simple, you can't cool things in space as easily as you can in atmosphere/water
You need to make a large surface area to radiate it away. Think about the size of passive coolers, now think about not being able to do fins and have to spread it out so the heat radiates away
When I see this kind of writing I never know if it's retards behind it, or if it's intelligent people delivering what their audience wants.
That part where he talks about "marketing" assumes that the writer knows that saying a computer is on the moon is silly, but it sounds good in the heads of retards, which is basically the target audience for these games in the first place. So I tend to think that the writers know what they're doing.
But then I play something like Death Stranding and see those bathroom philosophies in the form of e-mails, for example, and it seems clear to me that the writers really are retarded and aren't just pretending.
This is the kind of writing that does not get more than 1 pass and no one ever considers what is written there again because they need to write 200,000 other equally garbage lines.
Good writing only happens after countless edits and rewrites by people that give a shit
>1 pass and no one ever considers what is written there again because they need to write 200,000 other equally garbage lines
Anon problem is that this is from the main quest line. It wasn't a 1 person deciding that they are gonna place a supercomputer on the moon. There is a team behind it and that means at least most of them thought that space is freezing.
Yes but it would get pulled into that gravitational well almost immediately. It would find itself lodged in some rock barreling through space rather quickly.
Gun powder carries its own oxidizer There is no open atmosphere in a barrel between the casehead and base/shank of the projectile apart from the small amount present when the cartridge was loaded at the factory.
Gunpowder doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen for the reaction, it has its own oxidizer in the form of potassium nitrate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder#Chemistry
Gun powder carries its own oxidizer There is no open atmosphere in a barrel between the casehead and base/shank of the projectile apart from the small amount present when the cartridge was loaded at the factory.
Oh, cool, the more you know. Thanks anons that was very interesting.
>hurr this hostile place we can’t survive in or test things in works exactly like this and has these specific rules >how do I know? well… some smart guy did a big math problem once… and based on the numbers he made a guess that… no stop laughing it’s science!
Yes, I am, because I know how an RPG world is supposed to work.
This summarizes bethesda's entire writing philosophy so briliiantly. >Well, this would make sense, but this would be cool, so fuck it!
They always prioritize gimmicks and shallow horseshit over consistency and respect for what they're making. They can't abide by any limitations, they just frivolously stretch and warp their worlds to accomodate their "thuper kewl" ideas.
The did it with cyrodil Oblivion, they did it with the Enclave's shit in Fallout 3, the power armor and loneliness in 4, basically all of the lore 76, and they're doing it now with a new IP with no history of talented writers to keep things patched together.
These retards still haven't learned after 15 years that people don't play their games for le wacky epic blue power armor and le heckin nukes. Skyrim is the only game that worked with that formula because elder scrolls lore is a fucking mess anyways and it came out right as gaming was really going mainstream.
Normally that's fine... in any game series not prioritizing a world and story. Which is 99% of rpgs. You cannot take anything bethesda does seriously anymore. They are the comic books of the RPG world.
Bethesda's design philosophy means you never can make a wrong choice, which means that you will inevitably end up with very shallow roleplaying, which is a common criticism their recent games receive. Why can I walk into Solitude as an Imperial without issue? Why do I even have the option of building scrapyards when I'm supposed to be looking for my son? Why can I be the leader of every faction at once, even if they're supposed to be hostile towards each other? Their games are too afraid to tell the player "no" or to give players a wrong choice. The problem with that philosophy is that while it makes their games very easy to pick up, play and put down, it also means that the world feels very player-centric and fake. The quality of Bethesda's writing has also not been a huge priority for some time now, so by design, their games are almost completely reliant on their art and music teams to pull you into the world. Before Starfield, Bethesda were the masters at this. In contrast, Starfield's setting severely limits how crazy and alien their planets can be and the bad tech means you'll constantly run into loading screens. It's like the game does not want to immerse you.
I've entertained the idea of making a mod to ground skyrim into an actual rp game, with fallacies like you mentioned fixed and you cant just dive in a cave and kill 16 people without sweat and the hpsponge etc.
but that would take an entire new game worth of effort for free so yeah.
>this decades old thing went mainstream around this time >aykchooully you're off by about three years
One could just as easily point to mobile games as yet another distinct exact point, you fuckwit.
I'm a retard about calorimetry., but if there is no medium for heat to dissipate through, wouldn't that result in more energy and higher heat unable to transfer away from the computer?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It's not about transferring heat, you morons.
It's about the vacuum naturally sealing off the hot parts from the cold parts. The hot parts can then transfer their heat to be disposed off through some other medium, without damaging the other parts.
>Man >Gold
Anyone who has worked in a setting where you need to interact with one another knows this isn't true. Men constantly get into pissing contests and petty fights; it's just labeled as "men at work" and normalized.
In fact, nobody fits this standard, because EVERYONE thinks they know better than the ones above and below them. And sometimes it's even true, but they'll take "sometimes" and warp their own perception. Fact is, we're all dipshits.
>Yeah man satellites just don't work when they're in the sun, don't you know
This is a non sequitur. Satellites weren't put into orbit to keep them cool which the OP is about using a vacuum of space to keep electronics cool
>sealing off the hot parts from the cold parts
Game quote is "to keep it cool" so nope. But I will bite. Tell me what sort of computer design do you envision where this is necessary and is worth construction on the moon and higher difficulty of heat dissipation of the entire system?
>we need to isolate hot parts to heat sensitive parts >its hard to make some simple 5cm thick air insulation on hot parts like a coffee thermos, we need to build this thing in space!
you dont realise how retarded you are anon, which is much worse than being simply retarded.
yes of course it's retarded. the people who make decisions that are THIS expensive, are retarded
I'm saying this is the kind of retarded marketing stunt that elon musk would pull.
blame pop culture depicting out space as something that freezes you solid in seconds
might as well ask them to stop using sentient when they mean sapient
Bethesda Fallout games (Starfield is a Fallout game in all but name) always poke fun at the idea of comically incompetent and negligent people winding up in key corporate/government positions. This is obviously meant to be one of those joke logs.
This entire thread proves Ganker is far more retarded doe.
Yeah, the comically incompetent and negligent people put the super computer on the moon instead of running it on the vaccum of space. The joke being that the computer should run in a vacuum instead of in the moon to keep it cool. Haha.
Alright Ganker, if you're so smart, what does the Earth need from the sun?
Spoilers: if you think it's heat, why hasn't the Earth already cooked itself millions of times over?
energy so some compounds in plants can be stimulated to release electrons that go into certain pathways that create other products like sugar. Go enroll in university if you want details retard.
What level of retarded are you on? >what does earth need from the sun? >Heat? Well then why doesn't the earth heat itself? >Checkmate atheists
I think that sounded a lot smarter in your head.
Anyways, I'd have said solar radiation and yes, the warmth it provides. The Earth is not alive, it doesn't need anything, but the life on it does, and even if the earth did heat itself, the lack of energy from the sun provided to plants and microorganisms would prevent the development of any organisms more complex than an amoeba. Kind of like Pluto. Because it'd be too fucking cold. Retard.
Retard, heat does nothing for us directly. What the Earth gets, essentially, is a source of entropy. Having ordered, highly-energetic bundles of energy that can then be scattered into more lower frequency channels allows for local pockets of order to form. That's what we get from the Sun. That's why the Earth system radiates as much heat as it receives.
No need to get defensive. It's a pretty tricky thing, but its true.
>Heat does nothing for us directly >here's a cluster of pseudointellectual philopsophy regarding physics concepts so I can pretend I'm smart and hope you'll concede >sweetie
Go live in antarctica without any human made structures or devices and tell me that shit.
learn? Im done with learning man, its been 5 years since I got masters in chemistry. only thing to take from whatever weed induced mumbo jumbo you have spilled is that its autistically funny. post more.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>'masters' in chemistry >thinks he knows shit
lol
lmao
do you guys ever go in a Ganker thread and feel sad because you realize the average user of 2023 Ganker is a 16-year-old mexican child
it feels really bad. even 5 years ago (let alone 10 or 15) the replies to this thread would've been much less retarded. i can tell a lot of you havent finished high school
Yes but at the same time much less than half of the answers are: space = cold so by that token I think you can assume that bethesda writers, coders, voice actors and everyone involved in this part of the game is dumber than 16-year-old children. (I assume 1 or 2 people knew it was retarded but didn't say anything cause it was funny or isn't getting paid enough).
Suddenly remembered the times there would be a wall of text at the bottom of forum posts and all pc hardware with every single detail included.
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Toshiba Satellite 1000 custom anime stickers, Intel Celeron 1GHz with turbo, Intel 830M 2048 MB shader 5.0, 512 KB RAM, 256 KB ROM (MS-DOS 2.11), Internal 3.5" floppy drive, 720 KB40GB HD, Windows 98.
>this is not
The gap after a quote is reddit spacing. Reddit does it by default and without it the reply will be merged into the quote. On Ganker, the default is no extra space.
The above would appear on Reddit as:
this is notThe gap after a quote is reddit spacing.
So, seeing a gap after a quote is never not reddit spacing whereas extra space anywhere else is just as likely to be a non-reddit-user spacing out their shit so it reads more clearly.
>this is not
The gap after a quote is reddit spacing. Reddit does it by default and without it the reply will be merged into the quote. On Ganker, the default is no extra space.
The above would appear on Reddit as:
this is notThe gap after a quote is reddit spacing.
So, seeing a gap after a quote is never not reddit spacing whereas extra space anywhere else is just as likely to be a non-reddit-user spacing out their shit so it reads more clearly.
we were using paragraphs on Ganker before you were born, newhomosexuals
LISTEN ALL OF YOU ARE RETARDED. THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF HEAT TRANSFER:
CONDUCTION: WHEN TWO OBJECTS WITH DIFFERENT TEMPERATURE CONTACT
CONVECTION: WHEN A FLUID TRANSFERS HEAT AWAY FROM A BODY
THERMAL RADIATION: ELECTROMAGNETIC EMISSIONS OF A HOT BODY.
T MECHANICAL ENGINEER FUCK ALL OF YOU I HAVE AIDS READING THIS THREAD
no
the vacuum of space is a vacuum, it has no particles
it can't conduct or convect heat away
it can only accept passive infrared radiation from the hot object
there's no scenario ever where it's faster or better to cool something in space than on earth. if you had an ultra-hot computer, you'd build it underwater and use the ocean as a heatsink
>put computer in an atmosphere in the dark of space/far from the sun >atmosphere inside building is supercooled by space >put computer in supercool building
Space is not supercooled and is not a perfect vacuum the particles that are there very sparsely are still hot . All the heat that is generated has to be radiated at some point and space is a shit conductor
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the particles on the dark side of the moon are hot so no cool
what particles you baboon nagger
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Space dust exists . Micro meteorites and shit too . Also heat is a property of matter ege even if the vacuum of space was a perfect one it still would not be supercooled it simply would have no tempreture .
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you put a building on the dark side of the moon and pressurized it to 1 atmosphere how long would it take for your tiny pecker to freeze off
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Depends on the size of the building ege the radiator .
>build massive computer >put it inside of a huge single-mode cavity with an incredibly small mode volume >computer bakes itself because it can't emit anything
CHECKMATE YOU RETARDED MECHANICAL ENGINEER
Powerful computers absolutely need specialized ways to manage the generated heat, but putting it on the moon defeats the purpose since the surface becomes boiling hot for half of the lunar day.
It would be better to put the computer in Antarctica, because then you could take advantage of conduction and convection, whereas on the Moon, you have to rely solely on radiation to dump waste heat.
>find cheap brick of material with massive thermal capacity before breaking down >dump all heat into it >catapult it into the sun >reload
hire me bethesda
Quantum computers require extremely low temperatures to work in the first place. Something about the low temperature causing the quantum states to not change and thus allowing the quantum computer to have a functional memory, or something.
Would make even less sense, qbit machines need to operate at ultra low temps and do so inside of sealed containers filled with refrigerant gasses. Gasses not present on the moon.
Right, quantum computers need to be at super low temperatures, not just be cooled. And space is at a super low temperature.
Space isn't cold. That's the issue here. The "vast, cold expanses of space" is a straight up lie, space is vast, sure, but not cold.
Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
So a cold thing in space will stay cold, a hot thing in space will stay hot for a fucking long time, and anything that generate even minute trace of heat must be carefully designed to radiate all this heat away, or they'll reach melting point fairly quickly.
And don't even get me started on things that are directly illuminated by the sun.
As it happens, computers generate heat like crazy. As it does happen, generating the low temperatures needed for quantum computing generate even more heat than what would be needed for a normal computer.
So no, putting computers in space because "space is cold amirite" is literally < 75 IQ writing. The fact that space is an insulator is like the basics of the basics of the basics about space, we're talking things any 13 years old kid with a passing interest would know. It's not quantum physics, it's no special relativity, it's about the first thing anyone knows about space.
That Bethesda got something as simple as that wrong is... not surprising.
putting computers in space in an atmosphere would produce hyper cool temperatures, then the residual heat could be used to heat habitation modules/radiated off into space
They don't literally have the motherboard laying in moon sand or in orbit
>Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
Ok first of all I'm retarded. With that out of the way, why don't we put a thin walll of vaccuum around our house walls, if it leaks pretty much no heat? Obviously there will be borders where some heat will leak, but still.
it's extremely expensive to make dewar-flask / vacuum-insulated walls across an entire house
i mean you can only make dewar flasks out of metal
imagine an entire house coated in precision-molded pressure tested metal containers
its fucking expensive
Because you want some exchange of heat, otherwise you would cook inside if your house with you and all your other sources of heat radiating inside. Thermal insulation goes both ways (or doesn't for that matter).
we do stupid. have you never heard of double glazing?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I did say I was retarded didn't I
But yes, I knew about double/tripple glass. But glass is only a tiny amount of the surface so I was thinking more if it would be applicable to walls.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Basically, the difficulty of maintaining a vacuum grows incredibly quickly with the total volume of vacuum you're trying to make, even 'bad' vacuum that's not ultra-low pressures.
Small bottles? Not so bad these days. Entire walls? Kind of hellish. A whole floor of a building? Practically impossible for all but the most demanding needs. Besides, you actually want some heat flow for buildings.
>Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
You'd think with double-wall stainless steel bottles appearing fucking everywhere all of a sudden that people might figure this out, but no.
>insulator
To insulate means to separate. Space has the least amount of things that separate things so it is the worst insulator. At least on earth there is air separating you from things.
Would make even less sense, qbit machines need to operate at ultra low temps and do so inside of sealed containers filled with refrigerant gasses. Gasses not present on the moon.
>Quantum computers require extremely low temperatures to work in the first place.
Wrong. Some types need to be (superconducting, for example), but not all.
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Right, quantum computers need to be at super low temperatures, not just be cooled. And space is at a super low temperature.
>bethesda writers believe a mere 200 years without a magnetosphere would render the earth almost completely smooth including even Mt Everest
It would take you a mere 3-4 minutes looking this up to notice that's retarded.
>render the earth almost completely smooth including even Mt Everest *except for a few major buildings of varying importance like the empire state building or a random british skyscraper
don't forget
earths atmosphere is great at cooling electronics. would be better if it was hydrogen instead but still pretty good. Im not sure how they thought a vacuum would be good though since radiating heat is the least effective way to get rid of it. I guess if you could design the parts to handle the highest possible heat they could ever reach it could work but then you dont also have an atmosphere eating up micrometeorites and shit
>Make a supercomputer to "research" FTL travel >Somehow this thing is running so hot that it requires subzero temperatures to keep it cool, and not just efforts to use terrestrial cooling systems we use for other computers that are used for exceptionally more intricate computations than "research"
Did this computer specifically run quadrillions of frame-accurate tests per second in a mathematically perfect simulation of all parts? There's nothing I could even dream of where a computer like this should be running so hot that literally nothing on earth could keep it cool other than unfathomably poor temperature regulation and an absolute lack of heatsinks.
>multiple moons in starfield have full atmosphere and are only a moon because they orbit a planet instead of a sun >disingenuous anon thinks all moons are like earth's moon >Everyone shits their pants
Bethesda hasn't been writing characters with interiority and experiences that inform their interactions with the player since Morrowind. Nice try though.
>According to Newton's law of cooling, the rate of cooling of an object is proportional to the difference in temperature between the object and its surroundings.
Checkmate nerds.
Im the chemist homosexual from above, I shit you not, have literally published a paper involving a heat sensitive experiment that I ran in a 20 year old freezer in the lab. Its viable if you build and control your thing well.
i refuse to believe there are homosexuals wasting their time on here with an education or know shit about space, 100 IPs in this thread and most of them are bound to be NEETS and on a regular day shit up the board with retarded videogame posts but also have a passing interest in being an engineer or part time astronauts that moonlight as "durrr is overwatch good for you??? games where you do x??" retards
I have a reaction thats gonna be boiling for the next 2 days in the lab set up so I dont really need to go there. I already filled my gym time. why would it be so unbelivable that Im spending time having fun shitposting here, especially on a topic I can shitpost with confident experience before I vidya for a few hours more?
Do these retards not understand how stuff actually cools? Placing it in a vacuum would just lead to the most of the heat not leaving the computer due to there being barely anything around it to absorb that heat.
i refuse to believe there are homosexuals wasting their time on here with an education or know shit about space, 100 IPs in this thread and most of them are bound to be NEETS and on a regular day shit up the board with retarded videogame posts but also have a passing interest in being an engineer or part time astronauts that moonlight as "durrr is overwatch good for you??? games where you do x??" retards
Honest to god:
I have a Ph.D. in physics and am at home right now because I'm sick and throwing up all over the place. And even in this half-feverish state I'm one of the few posters in this thread posting sense.
As to why I'm here, you're literally here forever. It's not a joke. I thought I left this place forever years ago, yet somehow I keep coming back to waste time every now and then.
>normal guy on Ganker >whenever im arguing with a retard about a videogame, i need to step back and think about the fact that the guy with the retarded opinion im arguing with may very well also be an astrophysicist autist, with or without formal education
clown website
Honest to god:
I have a Ph.D. in physics and am at home right now because I'm sick and throwing up all over the place. And even in this half-feverish state I'm one of the few posters in this thread posting sense.
As to why I'm here, you're literally here forever. It's not a joke. I thought I left this place forever years ago, yet somehow I keep coming back to waste time every now and then.
As much as there is a stereotype of NEETs here, there is a stereotype of the disenfranchised "gifted" child. So why the fuck wouldn't Ganker have a bunch of people who learn advanced science for fun and do nothing productive?
it's basic knowledge that space is a vacuum, vacuum don't do shit by themselves, they need objects and even then the object won't give it's cold or heat to the vacuum
Honest to god:
I have a Ph.D. in physics and am at home right now because I'm sick and throwing up all over the place. And even in this half-feverish state I'm one of the few posters in this thread posting sense.
As to why I'm here, you're literally here forever. It's not a joke. I thought I left this place forever years ago, yet somehow I keep coming back to waste time every now and then.
Hobbies don't go away, nor does a habit of arguing petty bullshit with people who are wrong on the internet, by having an education and a job.
Yes, but I'm not the highschooler I was 15 years ago. I know how bad places like this are for my emotional health, and yet like the dog returning to its vomit..
I'm at work right now. I don't work in STEM or anything, but I graduated high school and have read a couple of books. I don't really know much about space but do have a basic understanding of thermodynamics.
You don't need to know anything about space, you just need to know what temperature is vs. what heat transfer is
you know when it's really cold outside how touching a metal railing or pole is actually painful? That metal is the same temperature as the air. So why does it feel different?
Is there anything that's left out of this nonsense? Like lots of technobabble about how they managed to place this fucking thing on the Moon and accomplish a state of "good thing it's so cold up there!"
What is hotter? A million degrees in air or a million degrees in vacuum?
vaccuum since it can't radiat heat
yeah because as we all know: radiating heat through the vacuum of space is completely impossible
Only radiant heat works like that
Yes. The kind overheating processing units would create.
retard
>O MY SCIENCE! SPACE IS REAL AND THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED 8 GORILLION YEARS AGO JUST LIKE IN MY GOYSLOP!
shalom
>if you don’t believe in the israeli mythology you’re a israelite
shalom brother
Light is a wave and its energy is imparted onto you as it hits your. Its not the same as radiating heat from a hot object
Both types are electromagnetic radiation. Whether the object glows or not is irrelevant, and simply means the thermal radiation happens to be in the human visible spectrum (not ultraviolet).
Yes, it fucking is. Are you retarded? Thermal radiation is literally heat transfer through electromagnetic radiation, aka light (and radio, and xrays, and infrared, and ultraviolet...)
Photos do not need a medium to pass through. Unless the object radiating heat is producing EM radiation it needs a medium to transfer the heat. Heat transfer is a pretty big subject in most engineering curriculum for a reason.
LMAO the sun isnt radiating, it's emitting fucking EM radiation that is travelling to earth, its not a fucking radiator its literally a nuclear ball of fire blasting light at us
> it's emitting fucking EM radiation that is travelling to earth,
That’s literally the definition of heat radiation. Stop think of the kind of radiators you attach to your HVAC system, it’s a misnomer
Is the sun cooling down, anon?
The sun is actually a big satellite with heat sinks but God didn't think of that, lmao isn't God retarded? Doesn't he know things can't cool down in space
Anon that is a 2E30 kg nuclear engine
Dude doesn't that prove it?
The sun has been radiating heat forever and it's still hot.
If I heat up my leftovers they will get cold after a few minutes.
There you go, you need air to cool stuff.
You are fucking retarded
Are you people for real? Heat Radiation is the emission of heat through space as electromagnetic radiation this happens even in a vacuum. It’s convection that requires air/water/some fluid to get rid of heat.
The limit to how much heat a theoretical computer could get rid off would depend on its surface area and it’s surroundings/location i.e. it would be able to radiate far more heat on the dark side of the moon than one the sunlit portions of the moon.
>Are you people for real?
>i.e. it would be able to radiate far more heat on the dark side of the moon
Kek I hope this was intentional
They're the same temperature but this is a silly question. What you should be asking is what are the thermodynamic implications of load-bearing circuitry in a vacuum and what is the energy limit before thernal runaway in both scenarios?
Vacuum. The heat isn't going to have anywhere to go and will stay contained much easier.
Stars create fission in the coldness of space.
But it is still a kilogram.
I understand. Heat will continue to rise with nowhere to vent to. We're talking a million degrees here it i a miniaturized star.
Geee... thats lame as hell.
Ill drop an info on this that some anons might find intriguing. One outer layer of the earths atmosphere, the thermosphere, reaches a couple thousands of celcius degrees, (like 2k-3kF plus for you retardicans) but if you were there you would likely freeze to death, because theres not much density of matter to transfer that temperature in heat to you.
im intrigued
Vacuum doesn't have temperature you retard
Of course, it's a million degrees in air, because air is hotter than vacuum.
You can fit 2 air in the space of a vacuum.
the soup you though you blew on long enough but you evidently didn't
Air transfers the heat a lot more than a vacuum does. A million degrees in a vacuum will be far less atoms transferring the heat into anything bumping into them than air.
But given the context of the OP image the problem isn't as much "what's hotter" but rather "what's more thermally conductive". A supercomputer's heat won't have anywhere else to disperse and both environments would be terrible places to place one in. The moon might actually be worse if it is not encased in a protective structure because the lack of atmosphere causes all the dust and particles on the moon to remain sharp rather than get dulled over time, and it fucks with materials.
Vacuum doesn't have temperature. Heat is not temperature.
I have not played the game, but after reading that line I have been absolutely convinced that I should pass
Without an atmosphere isn't the moons surface also the vacuum of space?
moon surface is hotter than vacuum of space from all sides
Vacuums don't have a temperature.
your mum is hotter than vacuum of space from all sides
The moon has an exosphere
Moons surface still has rock from the surface to disperse into, not counting some atmosphere that it would have if it was any big even if it's not dense
They should put it wherether'evr it calculatates if its so smart
If it's in a vacuum there's no conductivity to suck out heat. A hot body would take a long time to cool down in the void of space.
>[speech]have a nice day and your army, my man
Not gonna claim I'm smarter or anything cause I'm 99% sure they probably did some shit like getting an astrophysicist to check the math on it but wouldn't radiation fuck it up?
Hello there Anonymous. When can we call you to discuss you joining our writing team?
>I'm 99% sure they probably did some shit like getting an astrophysicist
Why would you even imagine they’d do this, never mind be certain of it. Why would they care?
Bioware got some kind of decent science or science fiction writer to do all their planet descriptions in Mass Effect. Like, why wouldn't you, that's going to be a drop in the ocean of your budget and it made the setting so much more credible.
>why wouldn't you
Because not doing that saves money and won’t lose you any sales
that's not it, it's a thermodynamics problem.
A computer running in a vacuum can only cools itself by radiating heat, while a computer running in a non-void space like atmosphere or liquid will also radiate heat AND transfer heat by conduction and convection
means it's much more easy to cool a computer in the ocean for example, than on the moon or the "void of space"
Radiation is also a massive problem, it's very very bad for electronics. That's why satellite cards are built with a billion redundancies and self-checks
>Radiation is also a massive problem, it's very very bad for electronics
OH LOOK
ANOTHER MISNOMER
JUST LIKE COLD (TEMPERATURE) VS COLD (LOSS OF HEAT)
What you're talking about is not electromagnetic radiation. It's elementary particles. Leptons and shit.
I guess "fancy super computer on DA MOON" was more eye catching.
It depends. at some point it no longer becomes viable to cool a computer in the ocean or in the artic. once you get to the mega project scale its impossible to make a computer efficient enough that wont dump copious amounts of waste heat into your host planet.
Funny part: radiation is already fucking up your computer. Right now. Components of the complexity that you're using to post on this image board have to be error corrected because at this scale they have enough spontaneous errors due to things that include regular cosmic ray incidence.
that's so cool I fucking love science
They got components and drivers to correct that kinda crap these days don't they
Yeah that's what I said, but they spent several years seeing these errors and not having any clue what caused them. It was very unexpected. Now basically every complex digital device needs to take them into account.
none of this is true btw, it's just some bullshit a youtube account peddled after a mario 64 speedrunner got caught cheating. And even in the context of the video the guy said it was something ridiculous like a 1 in a trillion chance of it ever happening in the first place
Enjoy your hard-earned you:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.206.4420.776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error
https://nepp.nasa.gov/docs/etw/2013/Wed_June12_2013/1140_LaBel_%20AMD%20Processor%20Radiation%20Test%20Results.pdf
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20080015740/downloads/20080015740.pdf
COSMIC
RAYS
ARE
NOT
ELECTRO
MAGNETIC
RADIATION
You talk like one of those zoomers with the clapping emoji and shit
It's more about making the post really big so it's hard to miss
They absolutely did not
Game devs who wrote intelligently in the past just used to be smart people, not a bunch of retards and women who farmed out shit to others
It's easier to keep something cold in the moon than in space, you have the entire thermal mass of the moon to dissipate heat into.
You need a medium to transfer heat through.
heatsink via copper or something.
A heatsink that leads to where?
deep into moon
To more heatsink.
Anon, please. The heatsink has to transfer that heat somewhere. All heatsinks do is reject heat into the atmosphere. When there is no atmosphere you cannot cool a localized hotspot, you just build up more and more heat until critical failure.
shut the fuck up you stupid nagger
graduate high school kid
have a nice day actual brainlet
Heat sinks radiate heat even in a vacuum as long as the surrounding environment of the heat sink is colder than the heat sink. It won’t dissipate as much heat as a heat sink with air our water blowing over it but it will still get rid of heat. How do you think the astronauts in the ISS don’t boil alive inside their space stations? Those wing thingies on the outside are radiators, not solar panels.
>put heatsink into the slot
>let it suck up the heat
>dump heatsink near equilibrium and install another
anon, please.
>no you don’t understand my le heckun science is more valid than yours
>huh? Experimentation? Research paper? Citations? Nah I’ll just keep repeating over and over again what I heard in a video essay yesterday
>low IQ retard doesn't understand things so he acts like a woman
sad
Literally all you’ve typed is words and you think you’ve proven us all wrong with facts and logic. Any retard can write a bunch of drivel and pretend everyone who disagrees is just an idiot. Prove it little retard, prove it.
>prove how heat transfer works
LMAO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conductivity_and_resistivity
>wikipedia
But I’m the low IQ retard of course
>attacking the source when he can't formulate an argument
>arguing in the first place because you're a low IQ drop out retard
lmao
Attacking the source is basic sciences
In Avatar the interstellar spaceship had huge heatsinks. Pretty cool design.
I fucking cringed when I came across this. Beyond low IQ. I can't believe how god awful stupid videogame writers are. Legitimately too stupid to even write young adult fiction, an editor would catch that and have them change it before publishing, but it gets right through in a videogame. Pathetic.
They heckin’ love science tho.
Doesn't water freeze in space? Couldn't you do something involving rapid cooling related to that or something? Surely there's be a system in which a vaccume is of benefit to cooling
Water boils in space as there is no pressure to keep it liquid
Ah I got it mixed with the claim that piss crystalizes, maybe since water boils you could do something involving really quick dissipation? Opening and closing an iris to shift states. Also don't they say there's frozen water on the moon?
The only thing you could do is transfer your heat into something that you wanted to expel anyway.
You can dump your heat sinks into space.
Shade in space is -200 degrees
But you can't destroy energy. If something gets hot in space there is no where for the energy to go. Managing heat in the vacuum of space is difficult
But it is -200 degrees. -200 degrees is very cold.
Infrared
The reason heat dissipates on the surface of the planet is it heats up the air around it. Thats why your pc/console has a big heatsink with fins and fans blowing air through it. Radiating heat in the vacuum of space is a lot harder. If they really wanted to keep it really cold they would have put it under and icy ocean or something as water is far better than air for cooling things down
I'm just trying to keep it simple, you can't cool things in space as easily as you can in atmosphere/water
What is infared
infrared*
you guys are idiots
You need to make a large surface area to radiate it away. Think about the size of passive coolers, now think about not being able to do fins and have to spread it out so the heat radiates away
>if you put the body in the sunlight it will get hot
no fucking shit retard, who would do that when the goal is to cool it
When I see this kind of writing I never know if it's retards behind it, or if it's intelligent people delivering what their audience wants.
That part where he talks about "marketing" assumes that the writer knows that saying a computer is on the moon is silly, but it sounds good in the heads of retards, which is basically the target audience for these games in the first place. So I tend to think that the writers know what they're doing.
But then I play something like Death Stranding and see those bathroom philosophies in the form of e-mails, for example, and it seems clear to me that the writers really are retarded and aren't just pretending.
This is the kind of writing that does not get more than 1 pass and no one ever considers what is written there again because they need to write 200,000 other equally garbage lines.
Good writing only happens after countless edits and rewrites by people that give a shit
>1 pass and no one ever considers what is written there again because they need to write 200,000 other equally garbage lines
Anon problem is that this is from the main quest line. It wasn't a 1 person deciding that they are gonna place a supercomputer on the moon. There is a team behind it and that means at least most of them thought that space is freezing.
However many, it clearly wasn't enough to reconsider and edit their script
If I fired a gun in space, would the bullet continue perpetually until it got caught in the gravitational pull of another body?
yes
Yes but it would get pulled into that gravitational well almost immediately. It would find itself lodged in some rock barreling through space rather quickly.
Generally speaking, yes, except space isn't actually empty.
Your bullet will implode when it touches something, anything at relativistic speeds.
bullets can't travel in space
Sure they can. Their cartridges are air-tight.
absolute retardation
Not him but how are you gonna fire a bullet without oxygen
Gun powder carries its own oxidizer There is no open atmosphere in a barrel between the casehead and base/shank of the projectile apart from the small amount present when the cartridge was loaded at the factory.
Gunpowder doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen for the reaction, it has its own oxidizer in the form of potassium nitrate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder#Chemistry
Oh, cool, the more you know. Thanks anons that was very interesting.
I would be more worried with heat dissipation on the gun parts. You would probably need a some sort of active cooling system.
ye. Unless you fire it in the void between star systems it will get caught in a well from the get go
Nice "NASApunk" game you've got there. Jesus Christ, Bethesda.
Space is a israeli concept so I don't believe in it.
>hurr this hostile place we can’t survive in or test things in works exactly like this and has these specific rules
>how do I know? well… some smart guy did a big math problem once… and based on the numbers he made a guess that… no stop laughing it’s science!
What if the Sun is actually a GPU rendering us and all the planets?
>Yeah senpai, I think its time you upgrade your sun gpu. It doesnt render shadows properly
>What if the Sun is actually a GPU rendering us and all the planets?
I'd ask if we could switch to something other than NVIDIA
Yes, I am, because I know how an RPG world is supposed to work.
This summarizes bethesda's entire writing philosophy so briliiantly.
>Well, this would make sense, but this would be cool, so fuck it!
They always prioritize gimmicks and shallow horseshit over consistency and respect for what they're making. They can't abide by any limitations, they just frivolously stretch and warp their worlds to accomodate their "thuper kewl" ideas.
The did it with cyrodil Oblivion, they did it with the Enclave's shit in Fallout 3, the power armor and loneliness in 4, basically all of the lore 76, and they're doing it now with a new IP with no history of talented writers to keep things patched together.
These retards still haven't learned after 15 years that people don't play their games for le wacky epic blue power armor and le heckin nukes. Skyrim is the only game that worked with that formula because elder scrolls lore is a fucking mess anyways and it came out right as gaming was really going mainstream.
Normally that's fine... in any game series not prioritizing a world and story. Which is 99% of rpgs. You cannot take anything bethesda does seriously anymore. They are the comic books of the RPG world.
Bethesda's design philosophy means you never can make a wrong choice, which means that you will inevitably end up with very shallow roleplaying, which is a common criticism their recent games receive. Why can I walk into Solitude as an Imperial without issue? Why do I even have the option of building scrapyards when I'm supposed to be looking for my son? Why can I be the leader of every faction at once, even if they're supposed to be hostile towards each other? Their games are too afraid to tell the player "no" or to give players a wrong choice. The problem with that philosophy is that while it makes their games very easy to pick up, play and put down, it also means that the world feels very player-centric and fake. The quality of Bethesda's writing has also not been a huge priority for some time now, so by design, their games are almost completely reliant on their art and music teams to pull you into the world. Before Starfield, Bethesda were the masters at this. In contrast, Starfield's setting severely limits how crazy and alien their planets can be and the bad tech means you'll constantly run into loading screens. It's like the game does not want to immerse you.
I've entertained the idea of making a mod to ground skyrim into an actual rp game, with fallacies like you mentioned fixed and you cant just dive in a cave and kill 16 people without sweat and the hpsponge etc.
but that would take an entire new game worth of effort for free so yeah.
thanks for reading my diary btw. have a free cat.
howdy
Thanks for the cat. Yeah, that wouldn't be worth it. Might as well make your own original game then
That's a fine cat, partner
>it came out right as gaming was really going mainstream
Orly?
>this decades old thing went mainstream around this time
>aykchooully you're off by about three years
One could just as easily point to mobile games as yet another distinct exact point, you fuckwit.
I'm a retard about calorimetry., but if there is no medium for heat to dissipate through, wouldn't that result in more energy and higher heat unable to transfer away from the computer?
yes. congrats, you now graduated high school.
likely written by one of those woman ""writers"".
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It's not about transferring heat, you morons.
It's about the vacuum naturally sealing off the hot parts from the cold parts. The hot parts can then transfer their heat to be disposed off through some other medium, without damaging the other parts.
give me the qrd on the book
i think i figured out 2 types of retards already
no idea i just google image searched surrounded by idiots
It's basically just MBTI for Boomers in HR.
Woman Man
Whore Autist
Ftfy
>Man
>Gold
Anyone who has worked in a setting where you need to interact with one another knows this isn't true. Men constantly get into pissing contests and petty fights; it's just labeled as "men at work" and normalized.
In fact, nobody fits this standard, because EVERYONE thinks they know better than the ones above and below them. And sometimes it's even true, but they'll take "sometimes" and warp their own perception. Fact is, we're all dipshits.
maybe you are a di[shit but not me
>book about calling others retards
>can't spell adventurous
colour me surprised
or competitive
But how do you seal off hot parts from the cold parts when all the parts have to interconnect for the electronic circuitry?
I don't know have the chink engineers figure it out.
Maybe it can slot on and off and cool down?
Yeah man satellites just don't work when they're in the sun, don't you know
too hot you see
>Yeah man satellites just don't work when they're in the sun, don't you know
This is a non sequitur. Satellites weren't put into orbit to keep them cool which the OP is about using a vacuum of space to keep electronics cool
two words:
thermal conductivity
>sealing off the hot parts from the cold parts
Game quote is "to keep it cool" so nope. But I will bite. Tell me what sort of computer design do you envision where this is necessary and is worth construction on the moon and higher difficulty of heat dissipation of the entire system?
>we need to isolate hot parts to heat sensitive parts
>its hard to make some simple 5cm thick air insulation on hot parts like a coffee thermos, we need to build this thing in space!
you dont realise how retarded you are anon, which is much worse than being simply retarded.
yes of course it's retarded. the people who make decisions that are THIS expensive, are retarded
I'm saying this is the kind of retarded marketing stunt that elon musk would pull.
Whatever pitiful gas envelope moon has is functionally indistinguishable from vacuum.
Some pajeet writer misunderstood what the cold of space is about.
Sound like OP is the actual moron, understanding less about space than pajeets
He created a shit thread on Ganker so yeah.
blame pop culture depicting out space as something that freezes you solid in seconds
might as well ask them to stop using sentient when they mean sapient
>one of game's selling points is it being NASAcore
>it's full of shit like this
Bethesda Fallout games (Starfield is a Fallout game in all but name) always poke fun at the idea of comically incompetent and negligent people winding up in key corporate/government positions. This is obviously meant to be one of those joke logs.
This entire thread proves Ganker is far more retarded doe.
>ids nod stoopid
>ids jokes
What was the entire discussion with Eden poking fun at?
if they were that smart they'd just make good games instead of bad ones. they'd also be making fun of themselves
Yeah, the comically incompetent and negligent people put the super computer on the moon instead of running it on the vaccum of space. The joke being that the computer should run in a vacuum instead of in the moon to keep it cool. Haha.
It is truly unfortunate that the common retard was allowed to learn about the temperature of space.
>a pajeet with a rectal thermometer is smarter than OP
Alright Ganker, if you're so smart, what does the Earth need from the sun?
Spoilers: if you think it's heat, why hasn't the Earth already cooked itself millions of times over?
Light particles are actually tiny pajeets come from the sun to educate retards on how heat transfer in space works
it's like a rotisserie chicken, it just never overcooks
those publix rotisserie chickens smell so good bros
the lure of the devil
one of the only good things about working at a grocery store deli was the occasional dirt cheap or free rotisserie chicken
But then we don't really need the heat yeah?
raw chicken is gross
Earth doesnt need anything from the sun. We need things from the sun.
And what do we need from the sun?
pajeets to educate braindead Hispanics on Ganker
energy so some compounds in plants can be stimulated to release electrons that go into certain pathways that create other products like sugar. Go enroll in university if you want details retard.
What level of retarded are you on?
>what does earth need from the sun?
>Heat? Well then why doesn't the earth heat itself?
>Checkmate atheists
I think that sounded a lot smarter in your head.
Anyways, I'd have said solar radiation and yes, the warmth it provides. The Earth is not alive, it doesn't need anything, but the life on it does, and even if the earth did heat itself, the lack of energy from the sun provided to plants and microorganisms would prevent the development of any organisms more complex than an amoeba. Kind of like Pluto. Because it'd be too fucking cold. Retard.
Retard, heat does nothing for us directly. What the Earth gets, essentially, is a source of entropy. Having ordered, highly-energetic bundles of energy that can then be scattered into more lower frequency channels allows for local pockets of order to form. That's what we get from the Sun. That's why the Earth system radiates as much heat as it receives.
No need to get defensive. It's a pretty tricky thing, but its true.
>Heat does nothing for us directly
>here's a cluster of pseudointellectual philopsophy regarding physics concepts so I can pretend I'm smart and hope you'll concede
>sweetie
Go live in antarctica without any human made structures or devices and tell me that shit.
Have fun.
>pockets of order to form
Stop bringing right wing politics into this.
Basically, the sun is telling us to wash earth’s penis and clean up our room
Fuck off, sun. You're not my real dad.
What the fuck are you even on about lmao
everything single thing alive and growing on the earth does so because of the sun
Yes, but the question is 'why' you illiterate monkey.
Enjoy genuinely learning something.
learn? Im done with learning man, its been 5 years since I got masters in chemistry. only thing to take from whatever weed induced mumbo jumbo you have spilled is that its autistically funny. post more.
>'masters' in chemistry
>thinks he knows shit
lol
lmao
thats why Im asking you to teach me senpai
chemistry is the most powerful science there is
A vacuum heatsink has to be comically gigantic to equal the size of a heatsink on earth
do you guys ever go in a Ganker thread and feel sad because you realize the average user of 2023 Ganker is a 16-year-old mexican child
it feels really bad. even 5 years ago (let alone 10 or 15) the replies to this thread would've been much less retarded. i can tell a lot of you havent finished high school
I don't think people like OP is a Hispanic, it's just an 80 IQ turbovirgin getting his (You)s for the day
Yes but at the same time much less than half of the answers are: space = cold so by that token I think you can assume that bethesda writers, coders, voice actors and everyone involved in this part of the game is dumber than 16-year-old children. (I assume 1 or 2 people knew it was retarded but didn't say anything cause it was funny or isn't getting paid enough).
yeah i know
starfield was written by indians, it's not a meme
No it wasn’t, though I know a retard like you will post the credit list of outsourced 3d arts and act like they wrote the game
Ganker was created by a 15-year-old chubby virgin.
A big group of users are underageb&
>Ganker was created by a 15-year-old chubby virgin.
more like skinny fat
moot was a fat cunt when he created this place. He did lose a lot of weight shortly after.
Unless I've been misled by photoshopped images.
>reddit spacing
youre trying too hard.
this is
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This is a signature
Suddenly remembered the times there would be a wall of text at the bottom of forum posts and all pc hardware with every single detail included.
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>this is not
The gap after a quote is reddit spacing. Reddit does it by default and without it the reply will be merged into the quote. On Ganker, the default is no extra space.
The above would appear on Reddit as:
this is notThe gap after a quote is reddit spacing.
So, seeing a gap after a quote is never not reddit spacing whereas extra space anywhere else is just as likely to be a non-reddit-user spacing out their shit so it reads more clearly.
we were using paragraphs on Ganker before you were born, newhomosexuals
>newhomosexuals
>plural
You realize that you are agreeing with two of those three posts, right?
And then it fell out of disuse only to be picked up again by reddit tourists.
LISTEN ALL OF YOU ARE RETARDED. THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF HEAT TRANSFER:
CONDUCTION: WHEN TWO OBJECTS WITH DIFFERENT TEMPERATURE CONTACT
CONVECTION: WHEN A FLUID TRANSFERS HEAT AWAY FROM A BODY
THERMAL RADIATION: ELECTROMAGNETIC EMISSIONS OF A HOT BODY.
T MECHANICAL ENGINEER FUCK ALL OF YOU I HAVE AIDS READING THIS THREAD
thermal radiation (ie passive output of infrared light) is hugely less efficient than the other two
it's why spacecraft designs need absolutely enormous heat sinks
so it makes no sense whatsoever to put a computer in space to cool it
>it's not efficient
okay but if you combine convention cooling and the vacuum of space you can make a supercooler
right?
*convection
no
the vacuum of space is a vacuum, it has no particles
it can't conduct or convect heat away
it can only accept passive infrared radiation from the hot object
there's no scenario ever where it's faster or better to cool something in space than on earth. if you had an ultra-hot computer, you'd build it underwater and use the ocean as a heatsink
>use conventional cooling for immediate cooling
>then radiate it into space with heat sinks
you can't tell me this wouldn't be efficient
no
>put computer in an atmosphere in the dark of space/far from the sun
>atmosphere inside building is supercooled by space
>put computer in supercool building
Space is not supercooled and is not a perfect vacuum the particles that are there very sparsely are still hot . All the heat that is generated has to be radiated at some point and space is a shit conductor
>the particles on the dark side of the moon are hot so no cool
what particles you baboon nagger
Space dust exists . Micro meteorites and shit too . Also heat is a property of matter ege even if the vacuum of space was a perfect one it still would not be supercooled it simply would have no tempreture .
If you put a building on the dark side of the moon and pressurized it to 1 atmosphere how long would it take for your tiny pecker to freeze off
Depends on the size of the building ege the radiator .
if you put realistic radiators on sci-fi shit people will always think they're solar panels
>so it makes no sense whatsoever to put a computer in space to cool it
Nerd
And how does vacuum help a computer stay cool?
Thanks for your highschool tier info dump larping homosexual.
t. chemist by the way, you're playing in my field, run away before I teleport behind you.
>highschool tier info dump
Do you really think average Ganker tard is ready for anything more?
now visualising average Gankertard, you're actually right.
>build massive computer
>put it inside of a huge single-mode cavity with an incredibly small mode volume
>computer bakes itself because it can't emit anything
CHECKMATE YOU RETARDED MECHANICAL ENGINEER
Just put it in the snow, stupids.
These anons are smart, everyone else is not.
you can't put a supercomputer in the moon because it would get hot and make the moon cheese melt and then you have moon cheese in your harddrive
Powerful computers absolutely need specialized ways to manage the generated heat, but putting it on the moon defeats the purpose since the surface becomes boiling hot for half of the lunar day.
It would be better to put the computer in Antarctica, because then you could take advantage of conduction and convection, whereas on the Moon, you have to rely solely on radiation to dump waste heat.
>find cheap brick of material with massive thermal capacity before breaking down
>dump all heat into it
>catapult it into the sun
>reload
hire me bethesda
Mass is pretty valuable in space.
That is why you don't use brick of material but superheated cum.
why would you put a supercomputer on another planet instead of actually taking advantage of the heat somehow
Fixed it for them.
EVERYONE
SHUT THE FUCK UP
What if it's a quantum computer?
Then it just heats itself up for no real purpose.
Those aren't real
Quantum computers require extremely low temperatures to work in the first place. Something about the low temperature causing the quantum states to not change and thus allowing the quantum computer to have a functional memory, or something.
Right, quantum computers need to be at super low temperatures, not just be cooled. And space is at a super low temperature.
Space isn't cold. That's the issue here. The "vast, cold expanses of space" is a straight up lie, space is vast, sure, but not cold.
Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
So a cold thing in space will stay cold, a hot thing in space will stay hot for a fucking long time, and anything that generate even minute trace of heat must be carefully designed to radiate all this heat away, or they'll reach melting point fairly quickly.
And don't even get me started on things that are directly illuminated by the sun.
As it happens, computers generate heat like crazy. As it does happen, generating the low temperatures needed for quantum computing generate even more heat than what would be needed for a normal computer.
So no, putting computers in space because "space is cold amirite" is literally < 75 IQ writing. The fact that space is an insulator is like the basics of the basics of the basics about space, we're talking things any 13 years old kid with a passing interest would know. It's not quantum physics, it's no special relativity, it's about the first thing anyone knows about space.
That Bethesda got something as simple as that wrong is... not surprising.
putting computers in space in an atmosphere would produce hyper cool temperatures, then the residual heat could be used to heat habitation modules/radiated off into space
They don't literally have the motherboard laying in moon sand or in orbit
>Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
Ok first of all I'm retarded. With that out of the way, why don't we put a thin walll of vaccuum around our house walls, if it leaks pretty much no heat? Obviously there will be borders where some heat will leak, but still.
it's extremely expensive to make dewar-flask / vacuum-insulated walls across an entire house
i mean you can only make dewar flasks out of metal
imagine an entire house coated in precision-molded pressure tested metal containers
its fucking expensive
so that's why my yeti mug was expensive, neat
It's fucking expensive.
Pretty sure they do that with windows though.
Because you want some exchange of heat, otherwise you would cook inside if your house with you and all your other sources of heat radiating inside. Thermal insulation goes both ways (or doesn't for that matter).
we do stupid. have you never heard of double glazing?
I did say I was retarded didn't I
But yes, I knew about double/tripple glass. But glass is only a tiny amount of the surface so I was thinking more if it would be applicable to walls.
Basically, the difficulty of maintaining a vacuum grows incredibly quickly with the total volume of vacuum you're trying to make, even 'bad' vacuum that's not ultra-low pressures.
Small bottles? Not so bad these days. Entire walls? Kind of hellish. A whole floor of a building? Practically impossible for all but the most demanding needs. Besides, you actually want some heat flow for buildings.
>Space is an insulator. The best thermal insulator that exists.
You'd think with double-wall stainless steel bottles appearing fucking everywhere all of a sudden that people might figure this out, but no.
>insulator
To insulate means to separate. Space has the least amount of things that separate things so it is the worst insulator. At least on earth there is air separating you from things.
Would make even less sense, qbit machines need to operate at ultra low temps and do so inside of sealed containers filled with refrigerant gasses. Gasses not present on the moon.
idk but i bet it has something to do with boiling water
>Quantum computers require extremely low temperatures to work in the first place.
Wrong. Some types need to be (superconducting, for example), but not all.
Space is nowhere near cool enough for those kind.
>bethesda writers believe a mere 200 years without a magnetosphere would render the earth almost completely smooth including even Mt Everest
It would take you a mere 3-4 minutes looking this up to notice that's retarded.
>render the earth almost completely smooth including even Mt Everest *except for a few major buildings of varying importance like the empire state building or a random british skyscraper
don't forget
earths atmosphere is great at cooling electronics. would be better if it was hydrogen instead but still pretty good. Im not sure how they thought a vacuum would be good though since radiating heat is the least effective way to get rid of it. I guess if you could design the parts to handle the highest possible heat they could ever reach it could work but then you dont also have an atmosphere eating up micrometeorites and shit
>hydrogen atmosphere
*ignites*
>Ganker is suddenly a bunch of space experts and quantum scientists
>retarded nagger lies about a game not making sense
>actual people with knowledge on the subject correct the stupid nagger OP
pretty sure OP was baiting and knew it would lead to this shitshow of a thread
Yes OP is probably the DS2 schizo now trying to claim that physics doesn't work so he can shit on starfield
>actual people with knowledge on the subject correct the stupid nagger OP
Uh...? Where?
Here. Me.
correct on what? OP didn't even say what is the problem and I don't see any problem.
>yoo need b kwatnum sciens man
No, but i'm smarter than the people that actually wrote this
Doesn't the moon get pelted by meteors and shit still
no because things can't move in space, it's a vacuum
>Make a supercomputer to "research" FTL travel
>Somehow this thing is running so hot that it requires subzero temperatures to keep it cool, and not just efforts to use terrestrial cooling systems we use for other computers that are used for exceptionally more intricate computations than "research"
Did this computer specifically run quadrillions of frame-accurate tests per second in a mathematically perfect simulation of all parts? There's nothing I could even dream of where a computer like this should be running so hot that literally nothing on earth could keep it cool other than unfathomably poor temperature regulation and an absolute lack of heatsinks.
To be honest you can just run the simulation for 2 days instead of 1 by undervolting it and you don't have to cool it with magical moon cold.
>multiple moons in starfield have full atmosphere and are only a moon because they orbit a planet instead of a sun
>disingenuous anon thinks all moons are like earth's moon
>Everyone shits their pants
The text is about the earth's moon
stop trying to post low effort bait
ok so why does the same guy think it would be even better in the "vacuum of space"
Because you could take a space station out past the effectiveness of the sun to heat it
Then why the fuck is it notable that it's on a moon to keep it cool if it's just an earth-like moon?
>he thinks having an atmosphere makes a planet earthlike
Shit dawg, let's all live on Mars. It's just like earth.
What if the point is that Malcolm Fields the character is a dumbass?
retards can't recognize sarcasm
That's said by a character, are all character's supposed to be knowledgeable about physics?
One of the earth's top scientists working on a secret project should be knowledgeable about things kids learn in middle school
Bethesda hasn't been writing characters with interiority and experiences that inform their interactions with the player since Morrowind. Nice try though.
It was probably a mistake for bethesda to try and make a space game when the average console player is an 80 IQ subhuman nagger
>average console player is an 80 IQ subhuman nagger
And so are Bethesda writers. They are perfect match for each other.
Obviously bethesda's writers are above and beyond too intelligent for console naggers otherwise this thread wouldn't exist
Conduction
Convection
Radiation
If you can't figure out which is the most effective method of heat transfer, you need to go back to high school.
>According to Newton's law of cooling, the rate of cooling of an object is proportional to the difference in temperature between the object and its surroundings.
Checkmate nerds.
Only applies to small temperature difference
(assuming the mass flow rate is held constant)
Is there any puzzle game like the lockpicking mini-game? That was the only thing I enjoyed about Starfield.
Why not put the super computer in my freezer? It gets pretty cold in there.
They uh, they coulda put it in my driveway this morning! It's cold today! Brr! 🙂
Im the chemist homosexual from above, I shit you not, have literally published a paper involving a heat sensitive experiment that I ran in a 20 year old freezer in the lab. Its viable if you build and control your thing well.
I have a reaction thats gonna be boiling for the next 2 days in the lab set up so I dont really need to go there. I already filled my gym time. why would it be so unbelivable that Im spending time having fun shitposting here, especially on a topic I can shitpost with confident experience before I vidya for a few hours more?
If dark matter is real wouldn't there exist somewhere a sun that sucks up heat instead of emitting it?
Do these retards not understand how stuff actually cools? Placing it in a vacuum would just lead to the most of the heat not leaving the computer due to there being barely anything around it to absorb that heat.
Just trust okay
oh my fauci she's the one
>me, knowing nothing about space, reading this thread
some of its true
much of it is false
the fun part is being a homosexual
i refuse to believe there are homosexuals wasting their time on here with an education or know shit about space, 100 IPs in this thread and most of them are bound to be NEETS and on a regular day shit up the board with retarded videogame posts but also have a passing interest in being an engineer or part time astronauts that moonlight as "durrr is overwatch good for you??? games where you do x??" retards
>yoo need speshul ejukayshin on spays to no bout thermmul transfur
>normal guy on Ganker
>whenever im arguing with a retard about a videogame, i need to step back and think about the fact that the guy with the retarded opinion im arguing with may very well also be an astrophysicist autist, with or without formal education
clown website
Clown world.
Honest to god:
I have a Ph.D. in physics and am at home right now because I'm sick and throwing up all over the place. And even in this half-feverish state I'm one of the few posters in this thread posting sense.
As to why I'm here, you're literally here forever. It's not a joke. I thought I left this place forever years ago, yet somehow I keep coming back to waste time every now and then.
As much as there is a stereotype of NEETs here, there is a stereotype of the disenfranchised "gifted" child. So why the fuck wouldn't Ganker have a bunch of people who learn advanced science for fun and do nothing productive?
it's basic knowledge that space is a vacuum, vacuum don't do shit by themselves, they need objects and even then the object won't give it's cold or heat to the vacuum
Are you talking about blacks?
Hobbies don't go away, nor does a habit of arguing petty bullshit with people who are wrong on the internet, by having an education and a job.
Yes, but I'm not the highschooler I was 15 years ago. I know how bad places like this are for my emotional health, and yet like the dog returning to its vomit..
out of curiosity, whats your favorite video game
Modded Morrowind. Then probably Factorio.
>morrowang
nice
christ i need to go back to school or do something with my life
Nothing wrong with some shitposts on a sick day.
I'm at work right now. I don't work in STEM or anything, but I graduated high school and have read a couple of books. I don't really know much about space but do have a basic understanding of thermodynamics.
You don't need to know anything about space, you just need to know what temperature is vs. what heat transfer is
you know when it's really cold outside how touching a metal railing or pole is actually painful? That metal is the same temperature as the air. So why does it feel different?
Is there anything that's left out of this nonsense? Like lots of technobabble about how they managed to place this fucking thing on the Moon and accomplish a state of "good thing it's so cold up there!"
OP here. Thank you for the (you)'s saint todd.
blowing on my soup cools it down so, why not just hire a 1000 pajeets to blow on the supercomputer.
Why not just a thing over the sun that sucks up all the energy, easy.
Thread was going super fast. Now suddenly dead.
everyone got busy at the genius science factory where they were working
its lunch break for the pajeets
Bait ran out of steam.
Pretty sure Bethesda is one of the clients of Sweet Baby. I imagine a woke-inhibited AI just slushed out everything from this garbage game.
I just realized why it flew under the radar even when it is the main quest. It was written by a team of women.
>there are people who still think space is a vacuum and gravity can hold air to the surface of planets
kek
read the entire thread and it seems there is no consensus on where/how you should cool your supercomputer
Computers perform better at higher temps
Uhh throw it in a iceberg or something idk
I would like to think that it is so obvious that nobody says it out loud but I dunno.
Kek this line annoyed me for a second and then I just laughed. Who cares, yeah the writing is shit. Not like fallout and Skyrim are better.
dam bethesda could have just told NASA this and they could have made that telescope a whole lot easier...
i want the braincells that i lost by reading this thread back...
GIVE THEM BACK!!!
wouldnt a super computer not be able to cool down at all in a vaccum since heat needs to radiate to other matter for it to cool down?
no
What?