Not really. Either you've never built a PC and don't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get these things on or you have such dainty hands that I think we need to see proof. Either way I come out on top. Gonna post your hands, or are you going to stall for more time with "you mad" variants?
>friend had a case with an adapter >gave the components to a computer store to build it for him >he got the whole thing back assembled >he plugged a USB into the front I/O and the computer restarted >he lived with it for years >tells me he even looked at it and it looks fine >eventually I came over to build his new computer >when taking apart his old computer I take a look at the I/O pins >adapter is plugged in right >and every pin on the adapter is filled >looks f- >wait a minute, half this adapter is taken up by a fucking 6-pin USB-plug >look at the pins and see the bottom right pin was in Reset SW-
Adapters don't help any apparently.
Let me get this straight, he buys the parts somewhere else and shamelessly goes into a computer store to have his PC assembled? If I was the shop owner I'd also sabotage the thing.
>inserts power sw and leaves everything else disconnected >can't be fucked with the front case fans either because they came daisy-chained with some weird molex cables that don't fit anywhere else
nothing personnel, case guys
>inserts power sw and leaves everything else disconnected
I don't blame you >can't be fucked with the front case fans either because they came daisy-chained with some weird molex cables that don't fit anywhere else
This, however, is fucking retarded. No front case fans = overheating. Fix your shit.
>it's cool bro just let me reach into my case and touch these two very specific pins with my screwdriver every single time I want to turn on my PC
absolute pleb
severly underrated post, made me think anon, good job
care if I reuse it in the future to shit on so called zoomers? thank you in advance!
btw im trans if that matters...
For me, it's modular PSUs, the real difficulty. Nothing like jamming your connectors in to get the computer to start, and then for it to randomly not start, and then to find out that it was actually the cable's connection to the PSU itself. God I hate modular PSUs, never again.
Either you bought the cheapest pile of shit ever, or I'm surprised you managed to plug the big power lead into the back of the PSU without fucking it up, that thing has like 3 whole pins after all.
Yeah, I'm not buying a nvida gpu until the sort this shit out. How do you design a cable, that can be plugged in it incorrectly? It's a connector that can be plugged in only in correct orientation because of its shape and there is a hook to hold this shit in place so know when you're done. What the fuck, Jensen?
>Game has STR checks
More like bravery check. Helped my buddy assemble his new pc, we almost shit out ourselves from the cruch.
The problem is that the "hook" let's the cable sit extremely loose, and people then proceed to bend the connector to fit in the case and the rest is just history.
Remember to put put the whole tube of thermal paste on your CPU for extra protection, the israelites don't want you to so it burns out faster and you're forced to buy a new one.
it's better than nothing if your mobo is older and doesn't have those status lights, but most of the time your pc just works and it's only function is beeping after it posts. For me it only ever served as a diagnostics tool when i installed a new memory stick and my pc stopped posting, but it was pretty obvious what it was anyway
My mobo does have status lights, is what was confusing about the whole deal
For what it's worth I just removed it and put it in my random wires and peripherals toolbox anyway
> 2023
We still don't have cases that just standardize these connectors to be all in one. It's been the same ass shit since 1990s. Yes it's annoying to plug them in since it's so small and you need lighting plug in each one correctly.
Not to mention you gotta open the manual book that comes with the mobo to see where each one goes.
It's literally the single aspect of PC building that requires you to look before you jam shit in. Hell, you only really need to connect the power and reset switches.
It's either that, or tell everyone to throw out their old cases for no good reason.
> It's literally the single aspect of PC building that requires you to look before you jam shit in.
It's not just jamming shit in. You gotta read the manual to see where each one goes so you don't jam it into the wrong pins. And even then, you do it after the mobo is in the case and it's very small in the fucking corner. It's annoying for people with large fingers. This shit was made for people with small raccoon like fingers.
All other plugs on a PC are easy as fuck to put in. But this fucking shit.... is the only one that's put in such a weird spot where it's hard to see unless you have a flash light shinning on it and it's so small that it's hard to see if you're puttig it into the right pin, it's like you gotta feel your way around it.
fuck this shit, PC cases made in 2023 should have figured out a better solution by now.
You are just a retard. Most of the time it's printed directly on the board. If you really struggle, any half decent motherboard will come with an adapter block to make it near retard proof.
>Most of the time it's printed directly on the board.
Do you realize how small that print is? You need a flashlight to see it once the mobo is already in.
>any half decent motherboard will come with an adapter block to make it near retard proof.
And that was great... until all of them stopped providing one in new mobos around 5 years ago. I got a Asus mobo not over 2 years old and it did NOT come with one. I also got a Asrock mobo around 1 year old that also did not come with one. Nobody provides that adapter anymore.
I'm honestly curious - why can't case producers include adapters by default? I mean, from what I remember each motherboard have same architecture for case connectors.
Dexterity check: is the screwdriver going to slip when you are trying to lever the heat sink retaining clips onto the catches on the motherboard, or is it going to slip off and remove half a dozen surface mounted components on the motherboard.
>CPU fan mount uses some kind of brace >had to lean my full weight on the fan's thingies that had to be pushed down enough to be locked under the brace >sweating bullets all the way >fan is on >there is still a lever on it that needs to be flipped to tighten the fan >slowly flip the lever >the MOBO makes a loud SNAP sound >check it for 5 minutes >nothing looks broken
Cheaper to manufacture, better cooling. Current GPUs are made the same way, the die touches the cooler directly. Which is not an issue for most people, because graphics cards come pre-assembled.
But if you disassemble it to, let's say, replace the thermal paste, you have to be careful when you put it back together (don't tighten screws too hard, tighten them in a cross pattern). It's unlikely, but you can kill the GPU this way.
Also, those CPUs didn't have any thermal protection whatsoever. So if you installed the cooler wrong (or forgot to install it)... the CPU would cook itself and die lmao. https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4?feature=shared
Modern CPUs either throttle super hard (the IHS helps with cooling a bit, even without an actual heatsink on top of it), or crash to prevent damage.
Picture shows the CPU die, and the only thing preventing the die from getting cracked due to mounting pressure of the heatsink are those 4 foam pads and trusting the manufacturer built the clip within the pressure tolerance.
Additionally, AMD Athlon CPUs like this had NO thermal protection or throttling.
They were BEASTS at overclocking, but you could also easily destroy them.
I forgot to put thermal paste on my athlon and it ran fine for years until it didn't.
The little sticker on the underside of the heat sink was kinda scorched tho.
I remember back then, the audio and USB were also pluging shit into pins just like the front panel connectors. How come both of those were upgraded so today you just plug in a plug into the mobo outlet instead of tiny connectors.
But they can't do the same for the front panel connectors for whatever reason. We still have the same old ass shit that we did from back in the 1990s.
It's like some weird agreement between mobo companies and case companies to never upgrade the front panel connector from back in 1990s.
>built PC for the first time >it doesn’t turn on >autistically take apart and reassemble the entire pc, unplug and replug everything which becomes a huge pain because I have to constantly press down on all the pins to get then to connect >pic related was the worst because of how small they were it would take me forever to properly plug them in >still doesn’t turn on >look up things online >no good answers >panic, try random things >it turns out it was because there were two headers for the CPU power for my mobo, the actual manual said I only needed to connect an 8 pin for one but in reality I needed both
It’s always the small things that fuck you over
Same thing here anon.
First Pc had similar issue. Turned on by no audio/visual and motherboard light was on ram.
Kept thinking i had broken ram and tried swapping the sticks with each other, made sure I had the right slots in and everything.
Turns out for some reason it couldnt do first boot with 2 sticks. so I just took 1 out, turned on all fine, turned it off, put second stick in, turned on all fine as well.
Same thing here anon.
First Pc had similar issue. Turned on by no audio/visual and motherboard light was on ram.
Kept thinking i had broken ram and tried swapping the sticks with each other, made sure I had the right slots in and everything.
Turns out for some reason it couldnt do first boot with 2 sticks. so I just took 1 out, turned on all fine, turned it off, put second stick in, turned on all fine as well.
>PC won't turn on >spend an hour taking it apart and doing everything perfectly again >PC still won't turn on >forgot to turn on the PSU power switch
reminded me when my pc refused to turn on with a gpu at first
turns out it was because my mobo would refuse to output the bios to my gpu output, so i had to wait like 10 minutes for windows to boot on my shitty hdd before i got any video
>mobo needs both a 16 pin and a 4 pin >only put in the 16 pin >all the fans ETC come on, but the screen doesnt display an image >panic since I figured I fried something
I want to play a game.
In front of you, there are two power connectors.
Connect em in the right order and your computer will work, and you will be able to play your doom, descent and epic pinball all nicely.
Connect em wrong, and your computer will die, your dad will lose 2000 dollars and you will be grounded for life.
You want different manufacturers to work together rather than all make their own standard? Why would they do that when they can all just make proprietary garbage, specifically designed to not work on competitors tech.
>Building new PC >Everything hooked up properly >Try turning it on >Loud pop and bright spark of light from PSU
And here I thought the worst thing that could happen would be nothing. I hope it didn't damage any other components.
>game has cheat codes
instead of fumbling around trying to fit stubborn plugs in cramped spaces, install everything on the mobo first, except the GPU, and then install it into the case.
You do the outside the case test and then put it in your case. You're still gonna end up doing it all in tight spaces when you drop it in or you're gonna have shitty wiring job since all the wiring goes through the chasis these days.
i really don't care about cable management. i build PCs for work. they are not flashy gaming PCs with glass windows or anything. these days there aren't enough enough cables in the case to even cause airflow issues since we don't deal with SATA anymore.
plugging in the 24-pin and the 2 ATX12V on the top left before putting it in the case makes it so much easier. the only thing that can happen is if you only have 2x4+4 cables, and you need 8+4, is the dangling spare 4-pin is going to block the top left mounting screw hole, so you gotta remember to tie it back, and just use a really long magnetic screwdriver, you can mount the board last just fine.
You only have a point for mounting the cpu/cooler before dropping it in the case, unless that shits just dangling in there willy nilly in the air you're kinda stuck feeding it through the chasis, especially with the current trend of PSU shrouds in case design. You may be more i nthe market for test benches from the sounds of it though.
the place i work for is extremely cheap. i own a lot of my own tools and equipment here.. they'll buy me stuff only if absolutely necessary. i'm lucky i even have my own office otherwise i'd likely be forced to use a standing desk in an open room somewhere.
ironically the place i work for is a metal fabrication shop. i build computers for the CAD designers, and when i'm not doing that i'm helping colleagues by creating custom reports on our planning software, and i do individual training on it to make sure they're using it correctly and are getting the data they need.
we do have a CNC burning machine and several 600 ton press brakes. this place could easily fabricate me an open frame case, i've always liked the look of them. although this is an industrial metal shop. they mostly produce things that are between the size of cars and the size of buildings, something much smaller shouldn't be a problem for them.
just realized this dude's got the GPU in the wrong slot
1 month ago
Anonymous
There are some legitimate reasons to put your primary GPU in the second PCIe bus slots like VM passthrough (since the first x16 slot is usually on an isolated IOMMU group) but that anon is probably just retarded
I guess Celsius is too complicated for you then. Heating an oven in the kitchen 392°F sounds fucking retarded. Your unit is bloated and over-scaling already in household scenarios.
>atmospheric measurements
saying as if that means anything. just a word to hide behind. fahrenheit is impractical, stupid and useless.
-4°F is -20°C
Water freezes at 32°F
Water boils at 212°F
only an idiot would see appeal in this
an idiot who based his measurements on the feverish asshole of his wife. >ohh mr fahrenheit, deeper!
Leaving aside you having zero reading comprehension whatsoever, I do agree that the unit has very arbitrarily set points. But it's not like like >lol just subtract 274.15 to get the actual thermal energy!
is much better. Celsius is also fucking stupid. The point of a scale is to simplify usage and measurement for a specific purpose.
>game has cheat codes
instead of fumbling around trying to fit stubborn plugs in cramped spaces, install everything on the mobo first, except the GPU, and then install it into the case.
I hate that my front panel needs two of those but my motherboard only had one header left, so either I can't use two of the four ports there or I'll adapt it to the leftover USB2 header or I'll find some internal USB3 hub.
>game has random permadeath mechanics
three friends of mine have updated their PC from a ryzen 2000 or 3000 to a 5000 and all three had to buy a new motherboard after the bios update failed and bricked the old one, the only one that called me to perform the upgrade was the only one that went well
How the FUCK? I had to update BIOS on my old ass MoBo to fit in an R9, but it was all smooth sailing. Just follow the instructions. How do people fuck that up?
I don't know how the hell BIOS updates are so unreliable, but there's a reason why mobo manufacturers say to not try updating the BIOS unless you actually need to. Flashing is much, much safer.
good motherboards let you flash the BIOS with a button on it somewhere, cheap ass ones only let you update the BIOS from within the BIOS itself, which is sketchy as fuck.
If you're smart you just flash the new stuff. If you're dumb you have it write to itself. But honestly just buy asus motherboards and you'll never have a bad time. Not a paid shill or anything, just someone whos used them without issue for like 20 years at this point, they've got so much brand loyalty on specifically motherboards that they have me thinking its magic.
I have no idea, I updated the BIOS on a bunch of different mobos and I had no issue
I press X for doubt.
Not a single one had motherboard with USB-Flashback?
Don't know about two of them, the last one's mobo has a single BIOS chip with no backup, I eventually got that motherboard for free because I helped him rebuild his PC and now I'm looking for an EEPROM programmer to reflash it so that I can use the motherboard in what I plan to be my own little server for games, storage and media streaming.
>and all three had to buy a new motherboard after the bios update failed and bricked the old one
retards, you can even re-flash after fail and without a CPU inserted unless you buy from trash companies.
>buy new mobo, CPU and cpu fan >while putting it together realize i realize we forgot to check for RAM compatability (new mobo has ddr4, my old sticks were ddr3) >reassemble old pc, buy new ram sticks and retry >shit won't boot properly after everything is assembled, troubleshoot for hours >reassemble old pc, order one of those error code speakers >troubleshoot again, conclude that it must be the mobo that's faulty >make a bunch of calls to people telling me to call someone else, finally i get a hold of people who tell me to mail it back to them so they can check it >they conclude that the mobo was faulty from the manufacturer, offer to send me a similar model since they had no spares in stock >finally get all the shit back, time to put it back together >when i'm almost done and about to mount the CPU cooler i realize that i forgot to remove the cooler's mounting bracket and 4 screws from the faulty mobo i returned >contact the manufacturer, they tell me they can send spare parts for $10 and another $10 in shipping >bank has retarded new UI so i can't even find an option for all the IBAN numbers and shit you need to have in order to make international transactions to foreign banks (europoor)
I need to just order a new cooler altogether and just hope that shit works after this, it's been months since I first started with this and I'm so sick of this shit. The RAM was a skill issue on my part but the faulty mobo fucked me up so much. I'm still running on my own hardware because I'm so demotivated to finish up, if I order a new cooler and the new build doesn't work I'll flip.
>Do burgers really have trouble understanding this?
yes
https://tononretard.com/
their entire country is built on miserable documentation and measurements
The only situational-but-useful unit we burgers have is Fahrenheit for atmospheric temperatures.
With two digits you can easily convey more useful information than Celsius.
I would never use Fahrenheit for scientific measurements like my PC temps, however, that's just retarded. And every other unit we have is batshit insane.
For atmospheric temperature. I only need two digits to express the temperature outside instead of three, one being a decimal place. It's just compression.
Again, I said it was useful situationally. I'd never use Fahrenheit for cooking or electronics.
I guess Celsius is too complicated for you then. Heating an oven in the kitchen 392°F sounds fucking retarded. Your unit is bloated and over-scaling already in household scenarios.
>atmospheric measurements
saying as if that means anything. just a word to hide behind. fahrenheit is impractical, stupid and useless.
-4°F is -20°C
Water freezes at 32°F
Water boils at 212°F
only an idiot would see appeal in this
an idiot who based his measurements on the feverish asshole of his wife. >ohh mr fahrenheit, deeper!
1 month ago
Anonymous
He used her sweaty pits, not her fucking anus.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Some filthy non American cuck who uses Celsius is mad
don't care. the US just does what it wants while other no name nations just have the US living rent free in their heads every single day.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>don't care. the US just does what it wants while other no name nations just have the US living rent free in their heads every single day.
There are some legitimate reasons to put your primary GPU in the second PCIe bus slots like VM passthrough (since the first x16 slot is usually on an isolated IOMMU group) but that anon is probably just retarded
[...]
Leaving aside you having zero reading comprehension whatsoever, I do agree that the unit has very arbitrarily set points. But it's not like like >lol just subtract 274.15 to get the actual thermal energy!
is much better. Celsius is also fucking stupid. The point of a scale is to simplify usage and measurement for a specific purpose.
>Leaving aside you having zero reading comprehension whatsoever, I do agree that the unit has very arbitrarily set points. But it's not like like
Does anyone really plug in all of them? I only ever plug in the power switch. Who the fuck is force resetting their PC via the dedicated reset button on their PC? Why do I need an LED indicator to know if my PC is on? that's just another light to make my room glow when I'm trying to sleep. And an HDD LED just blinks the same power LED that isn't plugged in to tell me when my drive is doing something. Windows is ALWAYS doing something in the background so this just blinks like mad all the time.
reset is for an instant reset so you don't have to hold the power button. it's just convenient.
cases often don't even come with HDD activity lights anymore, or they're built into the power switch.
i had funny story about this piece of shit >be me >been using generic cheap case >decide to upgrade on bigger case >the fp connector are joined together and only sepparate at the end. also its stiff as hell so that i need to place that first >put everything together >done >realize cable management look shit >reassemble >forgot to connect the fp connector >realize that my gpu covering the panel >mfw
its stupid i know.
>replace my old giga tower with a classy mid sized one since disc drives and HDDs are obsolete, don't need that much space anymore >my noctua d15 is too big for it
what the FUCK bros. I refuse to use anything else
Just buy a case that comes with an adapter
Or just buy the adapter for $0.10
Surely it's the motherboard that needs the adapter? How does the case know your IO pin layout?
it just works
>amerimutts need an adapter
Are your sausage fingers really this fat or do you not know how to read labels?
it's a bait thread, pierre/abdul
look to your own problems
>it's a bait thread
And you fell for it, retard.
the game
But if I use an adapter I didn't beat the game.
or you could just stop being a burger and read the fucking manual.
Post hands and/or PC.
are you mad, retard mutt-kun?
Not really. Either you've never built a PC and don't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get these things on or you have such dainty hands that I think we need to see proof. Either way I come out on top. Gonna post your hands, or are you going to stall for more time with "you mad" variants?
>friend had a case with an adapter
>gave the components to a computer store to build it for him
>he got the whole thing back assembled
>he plugged a USB into the front I/O and the computer restarted
>he lived with it for years
>tells me he even looked at it and it looks fine
>eventually I came over to build his new computer
>when taking apart his old computer I take a look at the I/O pins
>adapter is plugged in right
>and every pin on the adapter is filled
>looks f-
>wait a minute, half this adapter is taken up by a fucking 6-pin USB-plug
>look at the pins and see the bottom right pin was in Reset SW-
Adapters don't help any apparently.
Let me get this straight, he buys the parts somewhere else and shamelessly goes into a computer store to have his PC assembled? If I was the shop owner I'd also sabotage the thing.
>inserts power sw and leaves everything else disconnected
>can't be fucked with the front case fans either because they came daisy-chained with some weird molex cables that don't fit anywhere else
nothing personnel, case guys
>inserts power sw and leaves everything else disconnected
based came here to post the same
>inserts power sw and leaves everything else disconnected
I don't blame you
>can't be fucked with the front case fans either because they came daisy-chained with some weird molex cables that don't fit anywhere else
This, however, is fucking retarded. No front case fans = overheating. Fix your shit.
I've done that before. Most aren't necessary.
Video games are made by people, so all video games are artificial, so all difficulty in video games is artificial difficulty.
???
where the fuck people come from?
Humans were made by nature, so all video games are natural.
whoa
>he doesn't know about natural video games
you dont grow your own videogames?
This. Anything harder than creative mode is artificial difficulty
>have to look up a diagram in the manual
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and what if i can't read you fuck? have you though about that?
Then you wouldn't know that replying to this message grants me legal rights to fuck and marry your waifu.
sorry i can't read what did you say?
just plug randomly and see, its a fun minigame
>plug
Real men start their computers by randomly shorting IO pins with a screwdriver until it turns on.
>
>power button breaks
>connect reset wires into the power socket
>use reset button to turn PC on
Good times
let me guess, you need more?
>turning your PC off ever
screwdriver fags not apply
You just hold down the button to turn off, you really don't need the others
let me guess, you need more?
I actually used to do this for years. My PC case is just a crate with zipties. But I did buy a separate power button for convenience eventually.
>crate
degenerate luxury.
>it's cool bro just let me reach into my case and touch these two very specific pins with my screwdriver every single time I want to turn on my PC
absolute pleb
that was me for like a year during highschool in the 2000s
i only had do it a few times since i left my pc on 24/7
I used to power on my old pc with this, or my motorbike key.
Gets me literally every single fucking time
Replace the word "racist" with clunky/badly designed and you have the average zoomer.
severly underrated post, made me think anon, good job
care if I reuse it in the future to shit on so called zoomers? thank you in advance!
btw im trans if that matters...
For me, it's modular PSUs, the real difficulty. Nothing like jamming your connectors in to get the computer to start, and then for it to randomly not start, and then to find out that it was actually the cable's connection to the PSU itself. God I hate modular PSUs, never again.
Either you bought the cheapest pile of shit ever, or I'm surprised you managed to plug the big power lead into the back of the PSU without fucking it up, that thing has like 3 whole pins after all.
im not talking about the power cord
>not just turning your pc on with a screwdriver
Ngmi
This, if you're not shorting the pins on your MOBO it's over for you.
??? I just check the motherboard manual....
Bro who has time to read? Why should I be expected to read? I have a real life and can’t be bothered with this tryhard shit
I'm a busy man, I don't have the time to read a 5 page manual
Who need leds? Just plug power and reset
>game has easy mode
you didn't build it
>my old $160 motherboard came with this in 2012
>my new one for $300 didn't
How is this allowed?
Please understand we care about environment.
The fuck is this? A baby mode piece?
No! You plug those fuckers in and read the tiny text, asshole!
plug me next please uwu
just read the manual, chud
>game has a hard mode DLC
Just plug it in all the way you fucking moron. Don't leave that shit halfway out you god damn amd shitposter.
Yeah, I'm not buying a nvida gpu until the sort this shit out. How do you design a cable, that can be plugged in it incorrectly? It's a connector that can be plugged in only in correct orientation because of its shape and there is a hook to hold this shit in place so know when you're done. What the fuck, Jensen?
More like bravery check. Helped my buddy assemble his new pc, we almost shit out ourselves from the cruch.
The problem is that the "hook" let's the cable sit extremely loose, and people then proceed to bend the connector to fit in the case and the rest is just history.
Remember to put put the whole tube of thermal paste on your CPU for extra protection, the israelites don't want you to so it burns out faster and you're forced to buy a new one.
>Game has hidden mechanic
>take my PC to trusted hardware dealer for thorough cleaning
>comes back with one of these
it's better than nothing if your mobo is older and doesn't have those status lights, but most of the time your pc just works and it's only function is beeping after it posts. For me it only ever served as a diagnostics tool when i installed a new memory stick and my pc stopped posting, but it was pretty obvious what it was anyway
My mobo does have status lights, is what was confusing about the whole deal
For what it's worth I just removed it and put it in my random wires and peripherals toolbox anyway
I've used the same mobo speaker in all of my builds since 2003 just so I can Ship of Theseus my PC.
My new mobo has the LED light shit and doesn't beep anymore
> 2023
We still don't have cases that just standardize these connectors to be all in one. It's been the same ass shit since 1990s. Yes it's annoying to plug them in since it's so small and you need lighting plug in each one correctly.
Not to mention you gotta open the manual book that comes with the mobo to see where each one goes.
It's literally the single aspect of PC building that requires you to look before you jam shit in. Hell, you only really need to connect the power and reset switches.
It's either that, or tell everyone to throw out their old cases for no good reason.
> It's literally the single aspect of PC building that requires you to look before you jam shit in.
It's not just jamming shit in. You gotta read the manual to see where each one goes so you don't jam it into the wrong pins. And even then, you do it after the mobo is in the case and it's very small in the fucking corner. It's annoying for people with large fingers. This shit was made for people with small raccoon like fingers.
All other plugs on a PC are easy as fuck to put in. But this fucking shit.... is the only one that's put in such a weird spot where it's hard to see unless you have a flash light shinning on it and it's so small that it's hard to see if you're puttig it into the right pin, it's like you gotta feel your way around it.
fuck this shit, PC cases made in 2023 should have figured out a better solution by now.
You are just a retard. Most of the time it's printed directly on the board. If you really struggle, any half decent motherboard will come with an adapter block to make it near retard proof.
>Most of the time it's printed directly on the board.
Do you realize how small that print is? You need a flashlight to see it once the mobo is already in.
>any half decent motherboard will come with an adapter block to make it near retard proof.
And that was great... until all of them stopped providing one in new mobos around 5 years ago. I got a Asus mobo not over 2 years old and it did NOT come with one. I also got a Asrock mobo around 1 year old that also did not come with one. Nobody provides that adapter anymore.
Labeled AND color-coded? You’re playing on Easy motherfucker
I'm honestly curious - why can't case producers include adapters by default? I mean, from what I remember each motherboard have same architecture for case connectors.
To save $0.01 and sell you the adapter separately.
Read the fucking manual you nagger
>Game has STR checks
>STR checks
>on a small CPU bracked
LMAO
Clearly you've never fought with one of those badboys.
More of a will save, really. The problem was never the force you have the exert, it's the fear of just breaking the fucker.
Dexterity check: is the screwdriver going to slip when you are trying to lever the heat sink retaining clips onto the catches on the motherboard, or is it going to slip off and remove half a dozen surface mounted components on the motherboard.
>CPU fan mount uses some kind of brace
>had to lean my full weight on the fan's thingies that had to be pushed down enough to be locked under the brace
>sweating bullets all the way
>fan is on
>there is still a lever on it that needs to be flipped to tighten the fan
>slowly flip the lever
>the MOBO makes a loud SNAP sound
>check it for 5 minutes
>nothing looks broken
>permadeath is enabled by default
Explain, I never had an AMD processor up until Ryzen
There was no IHS on old AMD CPUs so it was very easy to crack the silicon when installing the cooler.
holy shit
kek, what, why
Cheaper to manufacture, better cooling. Current GPUs are made the same way, the die touches the cooler directly. Which is not an issue for most people, because graphics cards come pre-assembled.
But if you disassemble it to, let's say, replace the thermal paste, you have to be careful when you put it back together (don't tighten screws too hard, tighten them in a cross pattern). It's unlikely, but you can kill the GPU this way.
Also, those CPUs didn't have any thermal protection whatsoever. So if you installed the cooler wrong (or forgot to install it)... the CPU would cook itself and die lmao. https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4?feature=shared
Modern CPUs either throttle super hard (the IHS helps with cooling a bit, even without an actual heatsink on top of it), or crash to prevent damage.
How old are you talking here? The FX line had an IHS.
All the way to Athlon 64 so 2002.
Picture shows the CPU die, and the only thing preventing the die from getting cracked due to mounting pressure of the heatsink are those 4 foam pads and trusting the manufacturer built the clip within the pressure tolerance.
Additionally, AMD Athlon CPUs like this had NO thermal protection or throttling.
They were BEASTS at overclocking, but you could also easily destroy them.
I forgot to put thermal paste on my athlon and it ran fine for years until it didn't.
The little sticker on the underside of the heat sink was kinda scorched tho.
Bad bait
>Survival horror game with grand father clock puzzle
>it's always a riddle or look in some place completely obscured by the camera for the answer
That reminds me, I need to fix all my carts. Battery is dead on basically all of them.
You can change the battery without losing a save.
ENTER
I'm so happy I have an IQ above 70.
Me too. Shitposting aside, it seems very frustrating.
The front panel connector hasn't evolved since the 1990s. It's the exact same as it has always been.
It's like the case and mobo companies have this agreement to never touch upon the design of the front panel connector. Just leave it the same forever.
It literally says on the board homosexual
Computers are fun, what have you been doing with yours anons?
>been playing Higurashi
>made Linux virtual machines
>tfw you plug the reset button into the clear cmos jumper to make starting an overclock easy
>tfw you forget you did that and press it later
RTFM
I remember back then, the audio and USB were also pluging shit into pins just like the front panel connectors. How come both of those were upgraded so today you just plug in a plug into the mobo outlet instead of tiny connectors.
But they can't do the same for the front panel connectors for whatever reason. We still have the same old ass shit that we did from back in the 1990s.
It's like some weird agreement between mobo companies and case companies to never upgrade the front panel connector from back in 1990s.
skill issue
read the mobo manual retard
>read the game manual retard
retard
>can't even handle "insert rod a into slot b"
whats it like being a literal retard?
>built PC for the first time
>it doesn’t turn on
>autistically take apart and reassemble the entire pc, unplug and replug everything which becomes a huge pain because I have to constantly press down on all the pins to get then to connect
>pic related was the worst because of how small they were it would take me forever to properly plug them in
>still doesn’t turn on
>look up things online
>no good answers
>panic, try random things
>it turns out it was because there were two headers for the CPU power for my mobo, the actual manual said I only needed to connect an 8 pin for one but in reality I needed both
It’s always the small things that fuck you over
Same thing here anon.
First Pc had similar issue. Turned on by no audio/visual and motherboard light was on ram.
Kept thinking i had broken ram and tried swapping the sticks with each other, made sure I had the right slots in and everything.
Turns out for some reason it couldnt do first boot with 2 sticks. so I just took 1 out, turned on all fine, turned it off, put second stick in, turned on all fine as well.
>PC won't turn on
>spend an hour taking it apart and doing everything perfectly again
>PC still won't turn on
>forgot to turn on the PSU power switch
reminded me when my pc refused to turn on with a gpu at first
turns out it was because my mobo would refuse to output the bios to my gpu output, so i had to wait like 10 minutes for windows to boot on my shitty hdd before i got any video
>mobo needs both a 16 pin and a 4 pin
>only put in the 16 pin
>all the fans ETC come on, but the screen doesnt display an image
>panic since I figured I fried something
AUX GPU power is worse
READ MOTHERFUCKER
>utterly horrible to connect
>also disconnects out of nowhere from your mobo
How the FUCK is this piece of shit still a thing in 2023
It's a literal relic from a era where shit like IDE connectors was the norm
I always see my mainboard snapping when I connect these
Could be worse. It could be the lever on the CPU bracket.
I want to play a game.
In front of you, there are two power connectors.
Connect em in the right order and your computer will work, and you will be able to play your doom, descent and epic pinball all nicely.
Connect em wrong, and your computer will die, your dad will lose 2000 dollars and you will be grounded for life.
I've been doing this computer shit a long time and why hasn't anyone created a unified header for this shit?
You want different manufacturers to work together rather than all make their own standard? Why would they do that when they can all just make proprietary garbage, specifically designed to not work on competitors tech.
Yeah but we went from IDE to the various flavors of SATA and even things like PCI/e.
i just left my m.2 ssd attached without the screw for years (i dropped the screw and couldn't find it)
it was fine
>Building new PC
>Everything hooked up properly
>Try turning it on
>Loud pop and bright spark of light from PSU
And here I thought the worst thing that could happen would be nothing. I hope it didn't damage any other components.
I'm sorry I laughed anon. Goodluck in your RMAs.
You do the outside the case test and then put it in your case. You're still gonna end up doing it all in tight spaces when you drop it in or you're gonna have shitty wiring job since all the wiring goes through the chasis these days.
The Amazon Pajeet set me up with a return/refund very quickly.
i really don't care about cable management. i build PCs for work. they are not flashy gaming PCs with glass windows or anything. these days there aren't enough enough cables in the case to even cause airflow issues since we don't deal with SATA anymore.
plugging in the 24-pin and the 2 ATX12V on the top left before putting it in the case makes it so much easier. the only thing that can happen is if you only have 2x4+4 cables, and you need 8+4, is the dangling spare 4-pin is going to block the top left mounting screw hole, so you gotta remember to tie it back, and just use a really long magnetic screwdriver, you can mount the board last just fine.
You only have a point for mounting the cpu/cooler before dropping it in the case, unless that shits just dangling in there willy nilly in the air you're kinda stuck feeding it through the chasis, especially with the current trend of PSU shrouds in case design. You may be more i nthe market for test benches from the sounds of it though.
the place i work for is extremely cheap. i own a lot of my own tools and equipment here.. they'll buy me stuff only if absolutely necessary. i'm lucky i even have my own office otherwise i'd likely be forced to use a standing desk in an open room somewhere.
ironically the place i work for is a metal fabrication shop. i build computers for the CAD designers, and when i'm not doing that i'm helping colleagues by creating custom reports on our planning software, and i do individual training on it to make sure they're using it correctly and are getting the data they need.
we do have a CNC burning machine and several 600 ton press brakes. this place could easily fabricate me an open frame case, i've always liked the look of them. although this is an industrial metal shop. they mostly produce things that are between the size of cars and the size of buildings, something much smaller shouldn't be a problem for them.
just realized this dude's got the GPU in the wrong slot
There are some legitimate reasons to put your primary GPU in the second PCIe bus slots like VM passthrough (since the first x16 slot is usually on an isolated IOMMU group) but that anon is probably just retarded
Leaving aside you having zero reading comprehension whatsoever, I do agree that the unit has very arbitrarily set points. But it's not like like
>lol just subtract 274.15 to get the actual thermal energy!
is much better. Celsius is also fucking stupid. The point of a scale is to simplify usage and measurement for a specific purpose.
>game has cheat codes
instead of fumbling around trying to fit stubborn plugs in cramped spaces, install everything on the mobo first, except the GPU, and then install it into the case.
you didnt beat the game
>The mobo installs into the workdesk while you are working on it
Great job. Now what genius?
The only difficulty is trying to plug these little tiny fuckers in after you've built everything else around it.
>reading a manual is too hard for a zoomer
>what is +/+ on a diode
filtered && skill issue
Remember to use your standoffs!
For me it's front usb 3 connector.
I hate that my front panel needs two of those but my motherboard only had one header left, so either I can't use two of the four ports there or I'll adapt it to the leftover USB2 header or I'll find some internal USB3 hub.
https://www.amazon.com/Expansion-10Gpbs-Express-Header-Adapter/dp/B09C58N66R/
ez
>game has random permadeath mechanics
three friends of mine have updated their PC from a ryzen 2000 or 3000 to a 5000 and all three had to buy a new motherboard after the bios update failed and bricked the old one, the only one that called me to perform the upgrade was the only one that went well
How the FUCK? I had to update BIOS on my old ass MoBo to fit in an R9, but it was all smooth sailing. Just follow the instructions. How do people fuck that up?
I don't know how the hell BIOS updates are so unreliable, but there's a reason why mobo manufacturers say to not try updating the BIOS unless you actually need to. Flashing is much, much safer.
>manufacturers say to not try updating ... unless you actually need to
That's a pretty standard disclaimer.
>Flashing
WDYM? It's the same thing, no?
good motherboards let you flash the BIOS with a button on it somewhere, cheap ass ones only let you update the BIOS from within the BIOS itself, which is sketchy as fuck.
If you're smart you just flash the new stuff. If you're dumb you have it write to itself. But honestly just buy asus motherboards and you'll never have a bad time. Not a paid shill or anything, just someone whos used them without issue for like 20 years at this point, they've got so much brand loyalty on specifically motherboards that they have me thinking its magic.
I have no idea, I updated the BIOS on a bunch of different mobos and I had no issue
Don't know about two of them, the last one's mobo has a single BIOS chip with no backup, I eventually got that motherboard for free because I helped him rebuild his PC and now I'm looking for an EEPROM programmer to reflash it so that I can use the motherboard in what I plan to be my own little server for games, storage and media streaming.
I press X for doubt.
Not a single one had motherboard with USB-Flashback?
>and all three had to buy a new motherboard after the bios update failed and bricked the old one
retards, you can even re-flash after fail and without a CPU inserted unless you buy from trash companies.
google:
bios flashback guide
buy:
msi or asus
>buy new mobo, CPU and cpu fan
>while putting it together realize i realize we forgot to check for RAM compatability (new mobo has ddr4, my old sticks were ddr3)
>reassemble old pc, buy new ram sticks and retry
>shit won't boot properly after everything is assembled, troubleshoot for hours
>reassemble old pc, order one of those error code speakers
>troubleshoot again, conclude that it must be the mobo that's faulty
>make a bunch of calls to people telling me to call someone else, finally i get a hold of people who tell me to mail it back to them so they can check it
>they conclude that the mobo was faulty from the manufacturer, offer to send me a similar model since they had no spares in stock
>finally get all the shit back, time to put it back together
>when i'm almost done and about to mount the CPU cooler i realize that i forgot to remove the cooler's mounting bracket and 4 screws from the faulty mobo i returned
>contact the manufacturer, they tell me they can send spare parts for $10 and another $10 in shipping
>bank has retarded new UI so i can't even find an option for all the IBAN numbers and shit you need to have in order to make international transactions to foreign banks (europoor)
I need to just order a new cooler altogether and just hope that shit works after this, it's been months since I first started with this and I'm so sick of this shit. The RAM was a skill issue on my part but the faulty mobo fucked me up so much. I'm still running on my own hardware because I'm so demotivated to finish up, if I order a new cooler and the new build doesn't work I'll flip.
i dont get why these are seperate why is there no usb connector with all cables prepositioned
Do burgers really have trouble understanding this?
Your average gen-Z never had to deal with PATA jumpers or removing their motherboard to install DIPs into sockets.
>Do burgers really have trouble understanding this?
yes
https://tononretard.com/
their entire country is built on miserable documentation and measurements
The only situational-but-useful unit we burgers have is Fahrenheit for atmospheric temperatures.
With two digits you can easily convey more useful information than Celsius.
I would never use Fahrenheit for scientific measurements like my PC temps, however, that's just retarded. And every other unit we have is batshit insane.
>With two digits you can easily convey more useful information than Celsius.
snowflake units
For atmospheric temperature. I only need two digits to express the temperature outside instead of three, one being a decimal place. It's just compression.
Again, I said it was useful situationally. I'd never use Fahrenheit for cooking or electronics.
I guess Celsius is too complicated for you then. Heating an oven in the kitchen 392°F sounds fucking retarded. Your unit is bloated and over-scaling already in household scenarios.
>atmospheric measurements
saying as if that means anything. just a word to hide behind. fahrenheit is impractical, stupid and useless.
-4°F is -20°C
Water freezes at 32°F
Water boils at 212°F
only an idiot would see appeal in this
an idiot who based his measurements on the feverish asshole of his wife.
>ohh mr fahrenheit, deeper!
He used her sweaty pits, not her fucking anus.
>Some filthy non American cuck who uses Celsius is mad
don't care. the US just does what it wants while other no name nations just have the US living rent free in their heads every single day.
>don't care. the US just does what it wants while other no name nations just have the US living rent free in their heads every single day.
>Leaving aside you having zero reading comprehension whatsoever, I do agree that the unit has very arbitrarily set points. But it's not like like
good luck, schizo
read the fucking manual
Are you retarded, anon?
>Didn't plug any of these in because I didn't want my pc to light up
>The somehow all come on anyway
I don't get it
...how does your PC turn on without Power SW connected?
I mean, I guess you could enable automatic power on in the BIOS and use the PSU switch.
>rework mod myself so it works fine
the fact that he zoomed in on the saw is priceless
Does anyone really plug in all of them? I only ever plug in the power switch. Who the fuck is force resetting their PC via the dedicated reset button on their PC? Why do I need an LED indicator to know if my PC is on? that's just another light to make my room glow when I'm trying to sleep. And an HDD LED just blinks the same power LED that isn't plugged in to tell me when my drive is doing something. Windows is ALWAYS doing something in the background so this just blinks like mad all the time.
reset is for an instant reset so you don't have to hold the power button. it's just convenient.
cases often don't even come with HDD activity lights anymore, or they're built into the power switch.
>can't read shit because eye sight is trash
yep, it's gaming time
first time I build a pc I swapped the HDD led and the Power Led. was confused why the button was blinking like crazy while the PC was running
>almost done with build
>realize you installed the GPU before installing the front panel connectors
The GPU is the easiest part to remove anon it takes 10 seconds
yeah its easy, as long its not the 3 fan model, especially if the case are just "long enough" so that the gpu fits on it. its tiresome
>not starting your PC by shorting the 2 wires of PowerSW with a needle
never gonna make it
i had funny story about this piece of shit
>be me
>been using generic cheap case
>decide to upgrade on bigger case
>the fp connector are joined together and only sepparate at the end. also its stiff as hell so that i need to place that first
>put everything together
>done
>realize cable management look shit
>reassemble
>forgot to connect the fp connector
>realize that my gpu covering the panel
>mfw
its stupid i know.
> skill issue
>replace my old giga tower with a classy mid sized one since disc drives and HDDs are obsolete, don't need that much space anymore
>my noctua d15 is too big for it
what the FUCK bros. I refuse to use anything else
Building a PC is a substitute for an IQ test. If you can't figure it out before whining on Ganker, you're officially subhuman.