>atheist NPCs
>in a game where god frequently and directly show themselves and fuck shit up
why are modern vidya writers such hacks?
>atheist NPCs. >in a game where god frequently and directly show themselves and fuck shit up
>atheist NPCs
>in a game where god frequently and directly show themselves and fuck shit up
why are modern vidya writers such hacks?
They can't NOT self-insert no matter the type of game. They have to argue their point of view
I'm not christian/muslim/israelite (I believe in the nature based personified god beings) and also I never took "that" vaccine because I was lazy
where do I fit? o.O
Got kicked out of the polycule for not vaxxing, huh pagtard? Go ask a rock for help.
>I believe in the nature based personified god beings
this nigga took shin megami tensei's theology seriously
Reddit
Atheist denial being obvious
You live in a world where antivaxxers are just as blind to reality. Not so far fetched
>antivaxxers are athiests
Uhhh bros, this wasn't supposed to be the narrative
bait
Based. Adding onto this you live in a world where people believe Trump didn’t lose the 2020 election and climate change isn’t real
Aren't you the retards who believe in the holocaust?
Technically you're correct.
The problem is that the term antivaxxer got thrown so much during COVID that it lost all its meaning.
Don't you have dead heart cells you have to take care of?
i hate white people like you far more than i hate any israelites or naggers
I also trust the government and megacorporations
I don't understand this. People died from taking the vaccine.
Nobody died from not taking the vaccine.
The pandemic is over, you will have to worry about this forever just in case, while the people who didn't take the vaccine can breathe now.
How do you think you won this exactly?
And I took the fucking vaccine because I had to travel so there was no way around it.
Over 70 percent of the world population has been vaccinated, if the vaccine was truly that dangerous we’d be living in the apocalypse yet that obviously hasn’t happened
you got lied to, vax is worse than covid, it should've never been sanctioned, its harmful and ineffective, even in the trials it showed to be bad
and enforcing on the population was a downright crime
https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1724297093257285911
I've been vaxxed 4 times with mild symptoms over 24 hours, resulting in a sore arm over the next day. I've had COVID once with severe symptoms over 10 days, resulting in lost voice, brain fog, lethargy and body aches for another week after.
watch the link, the TRIALS showed its harmful and ineffective, anecdotes dont matter, you dont have cancer doesn't mean cancer is not real
but of course, in the theme of this thread, you are more likely to ignore the facts than change your existing beliefs
No, I don't think I will
2 more weeks!
>nobody died from not taking the vaccine
Yeah they died from severe COVID related complications. I got it when I was fully vaxxed and it was easily the worst cold I've ever had, fuck knows what would have happened if I wasn't jabbed.
I got covid but it was way after the supposed protection from my vaccine was over (which is why people were taking boosters), and yeah it was pretty bad for me. But since the vaccine wasn't effective anymore (according to them), I didn't need it to begin with.
>wasn't effective
The biggest shame of the entire pandemic was how vaccine efficacy was taken at face value by the laypeople. The second biggest shame is that a good 70% of people believed that masks were for protecting themselves, then hopped onto the conspiracy bandwagon when they were told they didn't do much in that regard.
I got it while being a pureblood and it was no lie the mildest cold I ever had
> fuck knows what would have happened if I wasn't jabbed.
have you considered it might've been less severe in that case? Sounds like your mind is heavily fucked by stockholm syndrome.
>yeah, I got severely beaten but consider how bad it could become if I resisted!
So the vaccine actually lowered my immune system pre-emptively before I caught covid, despite me not getting any other disease over the duration? Huh, guess I can just mentally discard the global scientific consensus on what vaccines have done since their inception. Clearly they masterminded this entire expensive endeavor just so my coof could be a bit Hispanicier.
The vaccines objectively lowered mortality rate in high-risk populations but everyone I know who got vaxxed has caught covid multiple times and it wipes them out HARD when they do. Meanwhile my unvaxxed family chiefed the rona in under a week in like 2022 and that was the only time we've picked it up in any discernable form.
It's not mechanical, I know someone who spent a week in the same room as someone actively with covid and they never caught it. It wrecked me when I had it, but my elderly mother had mild symptoms.
The other point was to reduce overall severity and avoid widespread lung damage in 10 or so years, which unfortunately may still happen.
just hold in your coughs
>this nigga took the vax that was supposed to make him immune but it didn't and he's now coping hard
Except it wasn't made following the same guidelines and it didn't undergo as much testing as other vaccines meant for mass usage.
>Clearly they masterminded this entire expensive endeavor just so my coof could be a bit Hispanicier.
>m-muh conspiracy theory!
It might've been incompetence and not malice. The vaccine was nowhere near as effective as they've promised anyway and the disease was already on its way out when it was released.
>supposed to make him immune
Just say you read headlines my man, that's not what vaccines are.
>didn't undergo as much testing
Another headline, it got boosted through the bureaucracy side and was tested normally. They expedited the paperwork because it was a fucking global emergency.
>incompetence
It was the single greatest achievement in collaborative human history and it was absolutely fucked by political leaders.
>on it's way out when it was released
Yes, when a new dominant strain emerged. Luckily immunologists had a vaccine template to work on at this point instead of being literally in the dark like at the beginning.
>It was the single greatest achievement in collaborative human history
oh no, it's retarded
anyway
>that's not what vaccines are.
Not since they changed the definition following the rona vaxx rollout lmao
when I was growing up, vaccines conferred immunity, but that definition isn't good for $PFE
It wasn't even a vaccine, it was a gene therapy injection.
And one of the phase of testing is supposed to last years, it cannot be shortened through a magic wand.
Also it wasn't effective and also gave 20 in a million fatal heart disease.
>lowered
No, just trained wrong, as a joke
You know the rules.
I'm not going to stream it hahahhaahah!!
Are you denying the mortality of covid or are you just that illiterate
Old people? How is that relevant for me? Old people take flu vaccines every year. All of my unvaccinated friends got covid and some point and were fine.
I don't think "People over 60 don't count as human anymore" is a very well thought out opinion
I'll never get over how antivaxxers tried to link the vaccines to the most common and prolific yearly medical fatality, like come on you didn't even try.
You meant vaxxers
How is this type of bait still getting replies? We all know he doesn't GENUINELY believe this post.
its called western gaming
pink haired dykes like are in charge of writing the "world" that is totally believable where everyone has gay sex and every one is a nagger no matter what
>character doesn't believe in Gods in a setting where they are undeniably making moves on the mortal plane
CRINGE
>character doesn't believe in magic, his pragmatism yielding very little faith in trickery and circus tricks and other alchemical mumbo jumbo
BASED
That's based as hell when magic resistance is directly affected by disbelief in it, or disbelief/using technology causes magic to fizzle and die like in Arcanum.
Funny that you mention that, he has a passive that reduces incoming magic damage to him by 75%. The faction he's part of ironically has witches who turn themselves into demons and THE Necromancer, actual name.
>Old experienced wizard engulfs his hands in flames and summons an enormous ball of fire to incinerate you
>"I don't believe this is happening"
>Fireball disappears in a puff of smoke
What a chad move
Basically how magic works around normal people in World of Darkness.
>old experienced wizard uses "HABEEB IT"
What now, big boy?
>"TWINKIE HOUSE"
>hit them with a right hook
You can't just TWINKIE HOUSE out of everything, old experienced wizard's HABEEB IT is sure to have high spell save DC because the wizard in question is both old and experienced.
This is such a shitty trope. It's like one of those "The God Delusion" types got into an argument with the DM about whether they were playing low fantasy or high fantasy, and somehow obtained veto power.
What happens when someone doesn't think the magical sink will turn on? What happens when someone doesn't believe their floating city can float? What if I get a large crowd of people and convince them elves don't exist?
Stupid fucking trope.
The answers to your question are pretty self explanatory. If you think of "magic" as requiring a "power source" of believers then it all depends on how many you have. A magic sink wont work if it's one guy who doesn't believe trying to turn it on. A magic city will keep floating because one guy thinking it won't float doesn't matter when you have an entire city of people powering it with belief. The elf situation depends on the size of the crowd of people that believes elves DO exist.
The floating city example doesn't even make sense. Sure, there's the argument that one person in disbelief won't sink the city, but you can also argue that the person in "disbelief" doesn't truly believe that the floating city doesn't float.
"I've never seen any Floatopolis. Why should I have to pay an extra tax just to fund a city that doesn't exist? Even if there is a 'Floatopolis' somewhere, I know for sure it doesn't float. There's just no way it could!"
>tfw you belong to the Sign of One from the Planescape setting
In FFT it works that way, it also makes buffs more likely to miss you so low faith is too annoying to bother with
goes both ways - faith in or no faith in affects the effectiveness of the spell
>covid isn't an issue anymore
>the 90% of the vaxxed population isn't dropping dead after 2 years
two more weeks
why are children and athletes all of a sudden dying of heart attacks?
Because they masturbate
show me a study or statistics that indicate an increase in heart attacks unrelated to obesity in the past 3 years
You don't need studies, the companies admitted the vaccines may cause mild pericarditis
that's right brother, they can't prove these people aren't dying from the jab. two more weeks
>In a shocking new study, microbiologist Kevin McKernan has discovered DNA contamination in Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines, possibly leading to cancer.
>pericarditis so widespread it lead AstraZeneka to renaming their vaccines to "Vaxzevria" because people were too afraid to take it
>young, healthy athletes dropping dead worldwide
meanwhile Biden was saying how antivaxxers are not going to survive the winter of '20. Sure, no vaxxie dropped dead instantly, but... you are not going to get refunds. You are just not going to. As simple as that. Hahahaha
>In a shocking new study, microbiologist Kevin McKernan has discovered DNA contamination in Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines, possibly leading to cancer
I selected this, pressed right click and pressed "Search by Google", immediately found many fact checkers debunking this.
You're insane if you think a lone guy will conveniently find DNA contamination in several types of vaccines at once. Your study would be restricted to only one brand at first.
Just how fact checkers debunked everything that turned out to be right about covid, including ivermectin that (shockingly) turned out to be working, right? And you don't really care if fact checkers act under guidance of a single media agency called International Fact Checker Network that is funded by famous persons like George Soros and Bill Gates?
Listen, I don't care for good. It's just you injected doubtful shit in your body that may or may not cause long-term health issues, and I didn't. The result is pretty much the same, we are both alive and healthy. Except I'm not going to get pericarditis, any kind of cardiovascular issues or cancer because of the injection. I laugh at you because you are a guinea pig. AND you are also a Ganker pass owner, so basically an idiot.
>snip
Anon the point isn't whether fact checkers are lying or not. The information you posted literally has no source, the scientist is made-up, that research never happened, and you can't provide any source to claim otherwise.
Why do you choose to side with lies and deceit? You only have one shot at life, and yet you chose to spend it on the side of schizo losers? You don't need to be like this. Come to the light.
>the scientist is made-up, that research never happened
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1711972307151868015
good luck and have fun 🙂
>source is literally a twitter post
Retard.
Also I started searching the scientists cited by this and non surprisingly they are all discrediting it
>Kevin McKernan, one of the authors of the study cited in some of the posts, dismissed the claims as “fear mongering” and “click bait.”
>But that’s not the same as finding the full SV40 virus in the shot, stressed McKernan, a former research director at MIT’s Human Genome Project who now runs Medicinal Genomics, a Massachusetts company that sells DNA testing kits and other laboratory materials to cannabis companies.
>“Promoters” are DNA sequences that help stimulate gene expression and have been long used in molecular biology, McKernan and other experts explained. In the case of the SV40 promoter, it happens to be derived from the SV40 virus.
>“It’s just the volume knob that drives high level expression of anything put under its control, which in this case is just an antibiotic resistance marker,” wrote Phillip Buckhaults, director of the Cancer Genetics Lab at the University of South Carolina who was not involved with the study, in an email.
Again, come to the light, anon.
>I'm not going to get pericarditis, any kind of cardiovascular issues or cancer
I sure hope you have never eaten any processed or factory farming food.
ah right, because you have elevated risk of a disease for consuming processed foods you must completely destroy yourself and keep elevating said risk further, that's how things work. You certainly cannot partially reverse the effect of processed foods by following a strict carefully picked diet and making a healthy lifestyle, unlike genetic changes. Thank you so much.
It's weird. I was told Vaccines was the cause of autism, yet here you are, vaccine free yet scoring 100/100 on the sperg scale.
I literally wrote
>I'm not going to get... because of the injection
I haven't said anything for other causes which I pretty much have little control over. But just because I can die tomorrow I'm not going to become a guinea pig and beta-test your vaccine for the big pharma, sorry.
>I don't understand how thing works
>Therefore I assume nobody knows how it works
>drops dead while kicking a ball with his foot
heh, if only he could understand how thing works he wouldn't die with no specific reason
There is nothing wrong with "processed" food other than tasting worse, stop listening to grifters
>all the preservatives, dyes, and other added shit isn't real
learn to cook, fatass
just 2 more years..... mark my words....
Also this unironically. Intergenerational wealth is ruined by moving out if you aren't ready
would you believe that when I posted this I was thinking similarly?
>trying to turn the TWO MORE WEEKS UNTIL DEAD VAXXERS LITTER THE STREETS around
lefty meme energy
The original TWO MORE WEEKS was to "flatten the curve" with vax and shutting down the entire world economy because of a fucking cold.
the curve actually got flattened tho
Just like the economy
It didn't. It was a common fucking cold, and like the regular cold, only morbidly obese deathfats, immunocompromised HIV patients, and grannies one cup of coffee away from death were at risk.
After 2+ years
It didn't, people still catch it, still die from it, still transmit it, the media just stopped talking about it, like monkeypox.
I remember being asked about what people would have done in the 70s when we didn't have as much remote jobs, we would have done nothing and nothing would have happened.
Flattening the curve was never about preventing cases from happening, it was just spreading the cases out over time so health care services would be less overwhelmed from everyone getting sick at the same time.
No, it wasn't. Imagine being so new you weren't even here in 2016.
The 2 weeks was a Trump thing.
>I'm an election touristfag
You could've just said so
>There's people that deny reality in this game that's unrealistic
Fucking lmao
Wasn't it only 2 more weeks before the vaxxed start dying from the vaccine?
Everyone is just so eager for the other side to die.
Truth is that everybody just got fucking played by big pharma who walked away with fat fucking stacks of cash.
it was "two weeks to flatten the curve" when the original lockdowns started, but they ended up lasting months which is why people started memeing it into "two more weeks", "year three of the two week lockdown" and such
There's a great one of these in path of exile that everyone else in the setting that is actively being terrorized by gods is confused by. All his experiments to disprove gods keep proving them and he just handwaves it off for one reason or another.
stealth bunkerchan bait thread
Straight to the Wall of the Faithless with you.
it becomes cool again when it's revealed that when enough people don't believe, god will cease to exist so there's a war between believers and atheists
That sounds awesome. Are there any games like this?
DQ9 handled it well, where the Celestrians are guardian angels who watch over the mortal realm. Ivor, the atheist of the bunch, is the only one who realizes the guardian changed names out of the blue (in reality, the guardian role was passed on from your mentor to you), everyone else assumes things were always the same since their memories were rewritten. Also nobody bothers believing him because he's a dick.
it's funny
Atheists go to the fall of the faithless.
Maybe the NPCs just reject the notion of them being omniscient/omnipotent?
Why do you immediately accuse the writers of being retards, provide examples of said atheist NPCs
Oh this thread was just to discuss vax shit, sorry I thought we were discussing video games. My bad
I thought antivax was about vaccines causing autism?
That was one theory that hasn't had much serious following for over a decade. Skepticism regarding the covid vaccines most focused on them being excessively inflammatory for younger people (true), intentionally contaminated (false), mutagenic (false), or simply not as effective as suggested (true)
either 1. they haven't themselves witnessed such things or believe them to be exaggerated or 2. they aren't an atheist, they just believe the god isn't worth worshipping
Why would you worship abusive gods?
No refunds
Maybe because its fact that demons like to portray themselves as gods
>in fantasy atheists are the delusional ones
>in reality theists are the delusional ones
balance in all things
In most fantasy like DnD "atheists" don't actually believe there are no gods. Just that they are not worthy of worship.
>trying to have a discussion about religion on the internet
>trying to have a discussion about religion on Ganker
>trying to have a discussion about religion on Ganker
There's only one way to go about that here.
>not shapely petite butts
get your own religion
the pinky is half the length of the rest of the fingers
you cant unsee this
I'm obligated on a spiritual level to ask you to post more visible panty lines
>theist NPC
>in a game where gods have never appeared before anyone ever and don't reveal themselves to mankind at all
Are there any games with objectively real gods where atheist means "I don't believe gods are real" rather than "I don't believe gods deserve worship"?
From wotr for example
>On Golation, "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that.
It's belief either way, so it's deranged as a default. Meaning is secondary.
>magics not real
>says the party member that just witnessed a wizard shooting fireballs out of his hands
An elaborate sleight of hand.
Smoke and mirrors
actually thats an interesting idea. have the god physically show up in their house and the npc either freaks out or claims they still dont see anyone there. bonus points if their town has a church
Sadly I've never played a game were character referenced their religion or lack of it, what game was this?
They’re just like those conspiracy theorists that believe the moon is a hologram or some out there shit like that.
NPCs
>>in a game where god frequently and directly show themselves and fuck shit up
So, just like real life?
>wikipedia said so!
lol
everything on wikipedia is sourced
>sourced
>2000 years ago some israelite in a backwater roman province did a heckin bunch of magic
>shut up this book says it happened so its true
funny how god stopped sending prophets and performing miracles the moment humanity advanced enough to the point where we could easily poke holes through cheap smoke and mirror shows.
About 2,000 years between then and now, so no. Nothing really "funny" there at all.
Would you like to explain your post or are we meant to make up your schizophrenic arguments for you
>God stops performing direct, visible miracles shortly after the death of Christ
>~1,900 years later, video technology is invented
>"Funny how He stopped right when we were"
Okay, homosexual.
But every Christian sect officially believes in miracles happening all the way through to the present day
>"sect officially"
Are you a former Catholic?
No? I'm trying to avoid saying "christians believe" because that's nebulous and invites "uh actually I don't believe in that part but I do in others so there :)"
Is "sect" not the correct term for denominations of Christianity?
>Is "sect" not the correct term for denominations of Christianity?
There isn't a unified body or sub-division of believers that can account for the beliefs of Christians on the whole.
Further, most of the miracles people talk about now couldn't factor into these discussions.
"My son made a near-miraculous recovery after being run over by a car", for example...what's to record? The exact moment he gets up? What if he was never hospitalized? The argument would be, "he clearly just wasn't hurt that badly". If he was hospitalized and taken care of, the narrative changes to "it's because he had the support of good doctors", even if they're convinced he won't recover.
"The Lord helped me become straight" is first doubted, then shrugged off.
"God showed me a sight of heaven", usually doesn't come with a part where the speaker requested a chance to grab his camera anyway, and we're not sure it'd show anyway.
It's that sort of thing.
Thank you for saying what I said back to me regarding christians not being monolithic
I'm not talking about what your grandmother says are miracles, I'm talking about "miracles" that are "authenticated" by the church
And even if you deny the holiness of any organised church, which I think you would be right to, the bible itself very explicitly talks about how God and Jesus will come back and perform miracles to the good men of earth, or fucking murder all of them if they're bad. Since we are neither dead nor wrapped in spiritual bliss and plenty, there's a little bit of a plot hole
>I'm not talking about what your grandmother says are miracles, I'm talking about "miracles" that are "authenticated" by the church
"The church"? There is no body that can speak for it.
>the bible itself very explicitly talks about how God and Jesus will come back and perform miracles to the good men of earth, or fucking murder all of them if they're bad.
That's the worst understanding of Revelations I've ever heard.
Oh please do tell me what revelations actually means, I'm dying to know how it's all a metaphor unlike the other stories which are factual accounts
Not him but I re-read revelations at least once a year, shit's bangin. By far the most entertaining religious text, they should make a movie out of it. No metaphors, just text as written.
Have you read it in Koine Greek yet? I'm studying ancient Greek to do just that
No, how does it differ?
There are some very important things that get lost in translation. Also note the part about ~~*merchants*~~. Anybody that has eyes that can see should be able to make out what it's talking about and who's responsible.
why would you read it in greek
The original was written in Greek
Watch Bad Omens, it's basically that
>He comes back, the apocalypse begins, the rapture-elect are taken to Heaven, and He unleashes great suffering on the whole of humanity, even making them unable to die, until He brings them all before Him and casts them into the lake of fire, marking the birth of His new nation on Earth, with everlasting peace.
>stopped sending prophets
Bro he's still sending us, but nobody wants to listen. They just call us a bunch of stupid commies and then go back to watching Peterson vids on loop. Secular businesses have co-opted religion and turned wealth into holiness and every time I come back and try and do something about it they just quietly take me out and I have to start over in a new life...
Name three examples
I think it can make for an interesting character, but you'll all politicalbrained morons these days so there's no point discussing this here.
It always comes at the cost of the setting. In order for the character to retain any sort of credibility, he needs to constantly fabricate some way the thing everyone just witnessed could've happened, and they need to avoid disproving him outright as a matter of convenience.
And this just shows exactly how dumb the idea is. Democratizing even the question of whether or not a city exists (not "should exist", but "exists") is almost uniquely shallow. I couldn't think of a better way to undermine my setting than to grant everyone solipsist powers.
Just have the character be delusional or unhinged. Minsc believes in a miniature giant space hamster and that was fine.
So now one guy with a mental defect comes with the ability to turn off magic around him just by failing to believe in it.
Again, setting undermined.
The op didn't mention turning off magic. If the character disabled magic you just need to write around that. They were born with an anti magic field and that's why they became atheist or some shit.
>If the character disabled magic you just need to write around that.
Or I can omit it from the story since there's no way to make that palatable.
>no way to make that palatable.
Just because someone can turn off magic =/= it's a god. We have magnetic shielding for example.
>Just because someone can turn off magic =/= it's a god.
The issue is the theme. It just comes down to being a weird sort of "anti-theism power fantasy" to bring the obnoxious "New atheism" trend back.
Sounds like you just have a very narrow idea of what you'll enjoy in a story.
You think you're smart but you're really not. atheist has a different meaning in that setting, atheist is more akin to anti-god or believing there should be no gods etc.
only autists get so hung up on the current definition of a word where over time words have there entire connotations either shift slightly or become completely different. your low iq shows in how inflexible your thinking actually is.
> "atheism" usually denotes the belief that those beings commonly called "gods" are not worthy of the authority and reverence bestowed upon them by others. Atheists rarely doubt the existence of deities, and generally acknowledge that deities are very powerful beings, but deem them no more than that. Instead of gods, they tend to revere ideals such goodness or freedom, philosophies such as the Prophecies of Kalistrade or diabolism, or nothing in particular. Some scholars argue that the term "atheist" is incorrectly appied to these people, preferring terms such as "dystheists" or "misotheists". Others call themselves "agnostics", insisting that no mortal can say what is divine and what isn't, as the working of the divine are fundamentally unknowable by mortals. However, such distinctions are lost on a generally religious society, and most accept the more common term.
to tl;dr this
atheist is short for a gnostic theist
meanwhile biblethumpers are theists
for the most part you're the same and you operate on the same morals and you both like to bitch incessantly
religion is for retards and atheism is for double retards
If you're thinking of replying after this post, don't do it. You will be wasting your time. OP is big gay and slurps my loads with gusto, eagerly.
I'm not an atheist or even a secularist. I just want places of worship to pay taxes. Why does that make people shit their pants in rage so much?
sure, as soon as we start taxing you for posting retarded shit online
>Build huge megachurch off the highway with gift shop and coffee shop
>All tax free
>Build regular mall off highway with gift shop and coffee shop
>Have to pay taxes on it
How is this fair?
it's not supposed to be fair
taxes are literally theft
the regular mall owner's inability to avoid them is a tragedy, just like someone getting mugged and shot, but it doesn't mean I'm going to shoot myself just to be fair about it.
>UMMMM neutral party here. Why can't the state just [contradict everything it claims to stand for]??????? This like, upsets people?????? LOL?????
Because it's a very stupid idea. Fucking retarded, actually
>Because it's a very stupid idea. Fucking retarded, actually, because.... it just is, okay???
Yes. Some 100 IQ atheismo peasant asking the state to tax the Church is braindead. You should feel ashamed. Planned Parenthood doesn't pay taxes btw
That's because Planned Parenthood was originally a government eugenics program, no joke
Still is. There are parameters on Churches/nonprofits/charities that intend to prevent them from snowballing into pseudocorporations anyway, not that corporate churches/corporate nonprofits don't exist
>like, REALLY BIG churches should be taxed because.... [assumption]
No.
If you think that rich people don't still funnel money into religious organizations for social standing then you are an idiot.
Following your logic, all nonprofits should be taxed
>N-no wait, ONLY the ones I dislike should pay taxes!
Yes. And? "That guy sucks" is not an argument
>corrupt preachers exist.... therefore, billions of churches must die.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PLANNED PARENTHOOD NEEDS TO PAY FOR MY CHILD'S PRIVATE SCHOOLING
Churches are scams run by freaks who want to take advantage of people in various ways, God is everywhere and in everything, you don't need a church to awaken to it if you want to and they should be taxed just like every other scam.
Megachurches should not exist tax free.
WEB SWING
>in a game where god frequently and directly show themselves and fuck shit up
Doesn't mean it is god. Someone with godlike power.
Giga advanced aliens can LARP as gods.
Athiests in the real world agree that "if God were real, he wouldn't be worthy of worship."
It doesn't matter if God/gods can appear if they're not all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing. Maybe if you want to suck a patron's cock for powers, but otherwise there's like zero point in caring about deities, fictional or otherwise.
>Athiests in the real world agree that "if God were real, he wouldn't be worthy of worship."
These are the real ateists though, the retarded reddit type (which is like 99% of atheists) just says "uuuh there's no evidence" but would totally worship god if it was real.
If the christian god was suddenly proven tomorrow, the existence of an afterlife with a strict entrance requirement would also be proven. Shit would be absolutely fucked.
People would start sending letters to God to change morality so people with woke leftists views go to Heaven and everyone else to hell.
I might have had 10 abortions but I'm not a racist, why the fuck should I go to hell???
Yeah, it's even more bizarre when you remember there are atheists in real life despite life's beauty and delicate intracisies.
Imagine believing in the creation myth that you coincidentally evolced from a shit flinging naggermonkey lmao, at least Christianity has a thematically and spiritually resonant creation myth, what do athiests have? That we are all stardust? I'd fucking kill myself which is what all athiests do eventually.
mother nature is one of God's most beautiful creations, bitch
Nature worship is baal worship, and climate change is fake and gay
imagine not caring about the environment. bet your house is a fucking mess. climate change is not man-made though, there are much bigger problems
God isn’t real because there is too much evil and sadism in this world that he allows for no reason. Why couldn’t he make child rape impossible to do? The work would objectively be a better place
you don't know about all the REALLY evil shit that's impossible because it's impossible and nobody can do it
So child rape isn’t evil?
I'm saying that if it was impossible then you wouldn't know about it and you'd wonder why God made it possible to stub your toe or some shit
there are agnostics and there atheists who pretend they're agnostic but just hate the idea that there could be a god who is above them
only two more weeks until the booster fags die of myocarditis
The antivax movement was probably a psyop. I feel like the vaccine companies spread the retarded narrative to a bunch of dumb conservatives just to make the rest of the world stop questioning vaccines. It sucks because anytime you put forth legitimate health concerns with vaccines you'll just be lumped in with these morons
To this day theists still can't explain why an all powerful all loving God allows so much evil to exist
>but free will
Nope
1. Omniscience Paradox
Strict Determinist: If God is all knowing we don’t have free will because he knows everything that we will do in the future, which means the future is predetermined. He already knows who will or will not die a sinner the moment they are born. If God is omniscient he already knows what he will do in the future too, which means he also lacks free will
Compatibilist: God can create a world where we theoretically could sin, but no one would actually want to do it so it never happens. However he hasn’t done that
2. Heaven and free will
If Heaven has free will then God is capable of creating a world of eternal bliss with no suffering, that also has free will, yet doesn’t do that
If Heaven lacks free will then free will isn’t particularly valuable. We will spend eternity with no free will anyways, our short lives with free will is working towards this as a goal. Religion portrays Heaven as a reward, something desirable, so it is admitting that an eternity of bliss with no free will is preferable over a short life filled with suffering with free will.
3. Degree of evil
God can create an exact replica of our current world, but make one heinous evil impossible to commit, like rape. We would still have free will and live in an objectively better world
If you object and say that isn’t free will, the rebuttal is God decides what is or isn’t possible. I can’t phase through walls or stop time in this world, does that mean I lack free will? Why can’t God just make rape impossible then?
4. Free will doesn't actually exist
We have no actual control over what are personalities are, or what our desires are, both of which fundamentally influence our decisions. Our personality is shaped by factors we have no control over such as
>who raised you
>where you were raised and what culture
>the kinds of people you were surrounded with
>genetics
>socioeconomic factors
>decisions you made as a child, when you do not have a fully developed brain yet (and society acknowledges this to be so, since you are not allowed to make a number of decisions until you are an adult, such as voting, signing a contract, etc)
You also don't have control over your wants and desires. You cannot force yourself to flip and genuinely find someone physically attractive who you think is repulsive, and vice versa, to the point of fundamentally modifying your biological reactions to them. Nor can you force yourself to fall in love with someone you don't care for, or genuinely be passionate in something you have no interest in.
So we have no control over our personalities, which will make certain decisions, and we have no control over our wants and desires, which also influence what decisions we make. Therefore we have no free will. So God didn't even grant us free will, he just allows all the suffering to happen for basically no reason.
bro you think atoms have feelings
This is why antitrinitarianism is the only logical form of Christianity. God does not give a fuck about you specifically, he created everything including evil and you're retarded for thinking he cares. It's Jesus who cares enough to help lead you into salvation.
>Omniscience Paradox
God just cant allow evil.. he just cant ok!!!111
>Heaven and free will
Noooo we shouldnt have to suffer!11 But also I should just be able to do evil becasue i want too...
>Degree of evil
No plz no ebil
>Free will doesn't actually exist
There are things that influence you, therefor you cant think for yourself... i know i cant!11
You sir are retarded
>inb4 no answer
God does no need to make sense to us. He has free will and chose not to make everything perfect as of yet
Not even hardcore atheists like Dawkins use the "problem" of evil argument because it's fucking stupid. You're just holding God to your own standards like he's a character in one of your cartoons. Humans are limited by their biological senses so you can't possibly understand the workings of a divine being aside from what they decide to show you.
It's just textbook atheist midwitism where they fail to understand our reality is limited by our biology. There are animals that perceive more than we do in some aspects.
See, you might have a point if we were talking about some abstract god, or some competently written one, but the Holy Bible is very explicit about what God thinks and wants from humanity, and the Bible is after all His word
Yeah this.
There's a reason why the meme "God works in mysterious ways" exists to begin with, we're supposed to not be able to comprehend it.
Ok, then by that logic God might actually be evil, or incompetent. So why worship him? You just admitted we have no idea if he’s actually good
The reason that phrase exists is to explain away bad things that happen after you prayed for a better outcome. It's not misfortune, it's part of God's plan, you just can't see it yet.
In other words, "trust me bro".
It's not exactly wrong, nothing that happens to you is good or bad, you just assign that value to it, and you don't know what the outcome of it can be, if you're open for opportunities then getting fired or your family dying can end up being good for you.
If you allow yourself to get depressed and hate life then your outcome will absolutely be bad with 100% certainty.
Recognizing misfortune is important, chalking it up to an imaginary dude's machinations is setting yourself up for misery when he appears to let something absolutely fucked happen to you. I've always said that tragedy makes and breaks faith.
How does tragedy interact with faith, exactly?
Mentally damaged or fragile people are easier to gaslight into thinking your book is true
Didn't this narrative die with the new atheist movement?
No? Vulnerable people are easiest to mold, this is human politics 101. Why do you think there are so many born-again christians?
>Why do you think there are so many born-again christians?
Because it's the socially-acceptable way to form class-based connections.
It can be a community for grief, a promise of eternal life for the sick, or forgiveness of wrongdoing regardless of the crime. Structured religion is a perfect fit for emotionally unstable people.
At the same time, tragedy can challenge someone's faith in a god they thought only wanted best for them. They could pull through and believe it's part of the plan, or they could break entirely.
>The reason that phrase exists is to explain away bad things that happen after you prayed for a better outcome.
It exists because God's intervention often isn't applied directly, the way a wish might.
"God, please don't let me lose my job. I need it to pay off this mortgage and keep [child] fed."
A week later, one of her coworkers tells her about a job opening in the next county over. The person who previously worked it left to take care of their parents. She finds a generously-priced house on Zillow and works less overtime for better pay. The school records transfer cleanly, and her life has improved. She thanks God, and says He works "in mysterious ways".
That is an equally retarded argument. If God is so incomprehensible we can’t understand any aspect of him when it comes to morality or anything he does there is zero reason or point in worshipping him. We’ll never understand him, so why bother?
>why an all powerful all loving God allows so much evil
If God is good, God cannot create something that is good without their being something that is not good between himself and the new good creation. Otherwise it would be expansion, not creation.
So God is the cause of all suffering, and he should be worshipped for it? If I kick you in the balls, do you also pray and thank me for it?
>separation from god is the root of evil
>GOD IS FUCKING EVIL BRO
>*starts thinking about my balls*
kek, average atheist
>all this schizo posting unrelated to videogames gods
>antivax posting
I want a game where there's obvious Gods but then people choose to worship graves, statues and paintings. It's a big thing in life but I don't think games touch on it. Probably pisses off the indian programmers.
even if god does exist, you don't have to believe in them or worship them
nothing wrong with characters being atheist in a setting where gods are real
Now someone edit it with israelites.
its only realistic - most people never change their beliefs even when they clearly contradict the reality
In Star Ocean 1 Ronixis is an atheist even after a dozen or so hours of people referring to goddesses and performing all sorts of holy magic it's so silly
I had to take the Pfizer Covid vaccine and ended up with an inflamed gland in my neck a few months after that antibiotics didn't help and that swelled up and got harder and more painful over the course of a couple years until I got it cut out. Will never know if I would have gotten it and not been able to fight it off had I not taken the vaccine, but I never got Covid and was isolated this whole time.
>thread where random homosexuals share their shitty opinions like some kind of universal truth
i wish to all of you who posted itt to die in your sleep this night.
you first
That's what people do, retard. They share their opinions with others to try to get them to shift more towards their vibrational frequency, which opens themselves up to criticism, refines their arguments and helps them slowly grow, especially younger people, the audience of this site. You are just an animal like everyone else.
>They share their opinions with others to try to get them to shift more towards their vibrational frequency, which opens themselves up to criticism, refines their arguments and helps them slowly grow
this better be bait.
atheism in a universe where gods exist and make themselves present on ordinary lives means that a person acknowledges their existences but don't worship any of the gods.
what some people call gods aren't gods at all to others.
for example, while some ancient Egyptians revered cats as guardians in the afterlife, practically gods. others saw them for what they are, animals.
atheists can and should exist in a world where the "gods" are something people encounter.
It really depends on the setting. In some settings the "gods" are not really divine nor did they create the universe, just very ancient beings with incredible power. In those settings anyone could eventually reach that state given enough time or with enough ambition. They believe they exist, they just don't buy into the idea that they are gods. The Dwemer in TES are an example of this. They know the Daedra and the Divines are not truly gods, so they don't worship them.
Path of Exile has a character like this, he's basically in complete denial because he's scared of the potential consequences he would face for being an interrogator for the in universe fantasy nazi faction that got toppled.
Fun character.
https://oriath.net/Audio/Dialogue/NPC/Niles/Niles_08.ogg
https://oriath.net/Audio/Heist/Niles_the_Interrogator/
Pathfinder: WotR made me think this. Why is atheism an option when a god shows up in the first four minutes?
Atheist can exists in these games because you can question how that achieved godhood and maybe their method isnt that special.
If a god existed, then they would be real and subject to basic science, so not divine.
>"b-b-but he can do magic!!!"
I don't want to know about your donut steel.
Science hasn't been able to explain everything, so though they would be explainable in some hyper advanced science unknown to us, it would appear like magic
As long as you turn your brain off, maybe. We didn't know about gravity or conservation of mass back when the bible was written, and those are some pretty big contradictions to the miracles of old. Not to mention we actually diagnose schizophrenia now.
>We didn't know about gravity or conservation of mass back when the bible was written
Presumably, when God saw fit to make an exception to the rules of the world, He bypassed the consequences of doing so.
>Not to mention we actually diagnose schizophrenia now.
People told their friends they were hallucinating back in the days of old, as well.
Name a single game.
I think you made this thread to be angry at an imaginary enemy.
That's accurate to reality
You kinda have a point.
contrarianism is thy name and the empty void is thine god
Modern writers are incapable of writing fiction and that goes for both worldbuilding and dialogue.
God could descend from the heavens tomorrow and an overwhelming majority would just "well ackshully..."
Only because we live in a world of deepfakes and AI. You shouldn't trust anything you see or hear anymore unless you physically see it with your own senses.
>3rd world homosexuals use anime screen caps to articulate a retarded argument thread.