Is that actually what his fucking mask looks like? Lmfao I never even bothered looking at the game because I knew you had to play as Miles, that's fucking hilarious who thought that was cool?
take your pick of the average super successful white hero? pretty much all of them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How do any of them pander to white consumerism specifically?
1 month ago
Anonymous
There was that time in the last 15 years where Peter... uh...
1 month ago
Anonymous
Literally all of Marvel. Even my 70 year old parents buy Marvel merchandise and my jaded as hell brother has Marvel socks that he thinks are the coolest things ever despite saying he hates all entertainment media.
Marvel is the modern white religion.
1 month ago
Anonymous
how is that WHITE consumerism however? These shoe deals are marketed towards blacks specifically. Whites do buy them but they are not the targeted demographic. Thus they are considered culturally emblematic. It would be like having a new Kamala Khan Spider-Woman character and having them wear a burqa
1 month ago
Anonymous
Most Marvel merchandise is targeted at whites, in the form of socks, t-shirts and polos.
1 month ago
Anonymous
how are those things culturally white? Polo shirts would be more white culturally, but that is an extremely miniscule part of Marvel's profit and there is no superhero flying around wearing a polo or a finance bro vest
White heroes that have new suits and gadgets. Their logo, their quotes and their image. Everything about them gets commercialized. Of course that also works with black heroes, that's why Miles exists to pander and sell to a black audience. Capitalism inherintely alienates the people by commercializing everything. It's not just capeshit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
White heroes that have new suits and gadgets have been marketed to everyone and bought by everyone for decades. Nothing about Spider-Man was made specifically for white people, he was still enjoyed by blacks, asians, etc. It didn't pander to whites at all
1 month ago
Anonymous
>White heroes that have new suits and gadgets have been marketed to everyone and bought by everyone for decades
That literally doesn't defeat my point >Nothing about Spider-Man was made specifically for white people
Except the character is white and he gets sold as the white Spider-Man especially nowadays. The reason black and asians enjoyed him because the haven't had any superheroes. The biggest one they got was Black Panther and they want people to look like them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That has nothing to do with what I asked, which is what hero panders specifically to whites. The character is white, that's all. He's sold as the white Spider-Man today insofar as he has white skin. Nothing about him is specifically made for white people. Miles was purpose built to pander to blacks, he is not a character who just happens to be black but a black man heavily marketed towards black consumerism (rap music, sneakers, hoodies, black slang)
1 month ago
Anonymous
The white heroes specifically pander to white people and I explained to you in what ways before, you illiterate retard. >The character is white, that's all.
Yeah that is important. Do you wanna pretend black people would hate it if they had a black character in a thing they liked >Nothing about him is specifically made for white people
Except that's not true. The characters were made for white audiences. It's just a simple fact. Your capeshit products are barbie toys essentially and corporations realised they can expand their market. White people wanna buy the white Spider-Man. Black people wanna buy the black Spider-Man. Their skin color is essential to that. >Miles was purpose built to pander to blacks
They pander by having toys, shirts, cartoons and movies made out of him. He is the commercial. Do you now also wanna pretend like cape media isn't a big commercial? Either way you're retarded.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Yeah that is important. Do you wanna pretend black people would hate it if they had a black character in a thing they liked
If someone made a white Martin Luther King movie, do you think most whites would like it? Be honest now.
>Except that's not true. The characters were made for white audiences. It's just a simple fact. Your capeshit products are barbie toys essentially and corporations realised they can expand their market. White people wanna buy the white Spider-Man. Black people wanna buy the black Spider-Man. Their skin color is essential to that.
Prove it. The characters were made for people who are white, originally, but that is because most people were white at the time. What about Peter panders SPECIFICALLY to white people? You're just talking in circles. Are you saying only Miles' SKIN COLOR makes him appealing to blacks? When you responded to the rest of my post you truncated the final portion which is telling to me. Miles is marketed wearing hoodies, sneakers, with rap music, and black lingo. That is black culturally. Are you saying that these things are not appealing to whites, but if his skin were light he would suddenly be appealing?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>If someone made a white Martin Luther King movie
Martin Luther King isn't fictional capeshit you disingenious retard. He is a real person who was shaped by his experiences as a black man. >Prove it.
What do you mean prove it? The proof is in the character, the comics, the toys and the movies that were made during a time where people of color weren't seen as human. Also interesting how you couldn't debunk anything
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Martin Luther King isn't fictional capeshit you disingenious retard. He is a real person who was shaped by his experiences as a black man.
You are the one that is saying that by virtue of someone's skin being black they are marketed specifically to blacks, that is your argument for why a white Peter Parket is marketed specifically for whites. It's a bizarre argument
>What do you mean prove it? The proof is in the character, the comics, the toys and the movies that were made during a time where people of color weren't seen as human. Also interesting how you couldn't debunk anything
I mean prove it. Prove that these things are marketed to whites specifically. I didn't debunk anything because there's nothing to debunk. I'm asking you to prove that because Peter has white skin he's marketed specifically to white people. All you've said is that white heroes are marketed to white people because white people made them and white people consumed them. A white person made Spawn and white people consumed those comics. Was Spawn made for black people?
You are getting flustered because I'm not accepting your tautologies.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>You are the one
I'm saying these capeshit characters are marketed by virtue of their skin color you complete and utter illiterate moron. READ instead of making up whataboutism scenarios about real people lmao. >I mean prove it
I already have proven it and given you examples. Miles exists and he proves it well. You are just denying the facts because your brain doesn't work so well. >there's nothing to debunk.
No you just can't do it really. It's pretty obvious.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I'm saying these capeshit characters are marketed by virtue of their skin color you complete and utter illiterate moron. READ instead of making up whataboutism scenarios about real people lmao.
You're saying that, you're not proving it. Peter is not marketed to white people based on his skin color. He was made as a white man, nothing about him was distinctly white other than his skin. Miles is distinctly black in that he panders to stereotypical black culture, with rap, hoodies, and sneakers. Do you see Spider-Man slinging around New York wearing a polo shirt and a golf bag? No, because that's as retarded as OP's image
>I already have proven it and given you examples. Miles exists and he proves it well. You are just denying the facts because your brain doesn't work so well.
You haven't proven anything, you've just repeated yourself that because a character is black they are marketed to black people. Spawn is black, he was made by a white man and primarily consumed by white people. Was Spawn made for black people? The answer is no, reach deep inside and try and think of why that is the case
1 month ago
Anonymous
>H-His skin color doesn't count
Again. Instead of debunking anything I told you you immediately dismiss the argument because you got nothing. You can pretend all you want that skin color doesn't matter to become an ad but Miles exists and shows you they market them through skin color. Peter is marketed to white people. White people dominated the market back then since black people weren't seen as people. Would black people hate Peter originally being black? Would it not matter to sales if he was black? If so, why do you think that? >You haven't proven anything,
I gave you examples, I told you how these examples worked therefore I've proven it to you. Unless you disprove how these arguments are wrong, I'll take it as a concession from you that you got nothing. Perhaps a little goalpost movie to a hypothetic white Malcolm X movie can save you this time though lmao
1 month ago
Anonymous
Spawn is a black character made by a white man and consumed by primarily white men. Was Spawn marketed to blacks? Why is Peter marketed to white people by virtue of his skin color but Spawn is not? I am being entirely upfront and taking you at your word but you really do not have an argument, you are just frustrated that I'm not accepting your wildly inaccurate statements.
Imagine living in a fantasy land where skin color doesn't matter to how a character gets sold. Anon is right. You're retarded.
I did not say that skin color doesn't matter to how a character gets sold, I said that a character being a certain color does not necessarily mean they are marketed specifically to that character. Peter is white, that does not mean he is marketed specifically to white people. Certainly some characters are made a certain color to market them to a specific people, but not always. That is my point.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Spawn is a black character made by a white man and consumed by primarily white men
The comic industrie is a primarely white men field and that's because in the past they didn't market themselves to black people and other people of color you retard. It's always been a majority white people industry. The market just won't switch from majority white to majority black especially since it's been dying as well. Miles was created by a israelite, he still is an black Spider-Man ad for black people, how is that so hard to understand for your little brain. Spawn is marketed towards black people as well. Pretending he is not just because some racial group latched on to him as well makes you a double retard >I am being entirely upfront and taking you at your word
Yeah yeah being upfront by using whataboutism with real life people when we're talking about capeshit instead of debunking the argument with your own facts.
Welp. Since you couldn't respond to the questions I asked you I accept your concession then. Peter was marketed towards whites. Miles was marketed towards blacks. Those are undeniable facts historically proven you couldn't debunk that. Congrats.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So you agree then that just because Spawn is a black character, he is indeed NOT targeting the black community. Not when he was made, and not now. So you do in fact acknowledge that a person's skin color does NOT in itself dictate who they are marketed to. Spawn was marketed towards white people despite being a black man because he was an interesting character. Miles was built from the ground up to target blacks, but it is not (just) because he has black skin. Nothing about Peter is culturally white other than his skin. Much about Miles is culturally black other than his skin. If Black Panther were white but absolutely everything else including imagery and culture were left the same that it would appeal to most whites?
>That is my point.
It wasn't. I watched your argument but nice try.
You did not "watch" my argument, whatever that means, or you would understand that what I said does not disagree with your image whatsoever.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>So you agree then that just because Spawn is a black character, he is indeed NOT targeting the black community.
Again read what I said instead of repackaging my argument in a different way to suit your narrative. He is marketed to black people. I told you this by word. You don't need to sperg out anymore. It's clear you can't refute a single argument
1 month ago
Anonymous
How is he marketed towards black people? Go ahead and explain how that is the case. You do not have an argument other than saying "because he has black skin".
It means I watched you trying to argue with that anon failing every single time. Hope this helps.
Nothing about what you posted disagrees with what I said. You just plain do not understand what I was arguing. That is okay.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not him but because he's black, which is more than just skin color. This is a sufficient argument to say the character was marketed to Black folks.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It means I watched you trying to argue with that anon failing every single time. Hope this helps.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>That is my point.
It wasn't. I watched your argument but nice try.
1 month ago
Anonymous
little mermaid fucking sucks
1 month ago
Anonymous
I have no stake in this argument I'm just here to make sure nobody is slandering my man Spawn by comparing him to the virtuebait that Miles is.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I one hundred percent agree, that's more or less what I'm saying. Spawn was never made to appeal specifically to blacks, he's just a solid character who is also a black man. Miles was built from the ground up "for blacks" to pander to them. It's the same thing as Kamala Khan. She is a character purpose-built to pander to Muslims. Or at least a white liberal's idea of Muslims. It's entirely possible to have characters that are extremely well-made without being overt like this. No one would have an issue with Miles if his genesis wasn't constructed around soulless racebaiting.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well what's so irritating about this game is that whatever good Spider Verse and the first couple of games have built up about his character, outside of just being racebait, has been almost entirely shelved to make his segments be 100% about BIPOCLGBTQ virtue signalling. The only character development Miles has all game is working Li and it happens in the last 1/5 of the game.
It's a fucking embarrassment, especially when the rest of his presence is boiled down to saving Pete's ass.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well what's so irritating about this game is that whatever good Spider Verse and the first couple of games have built up about his character, outside of just being racebait, has been almost entirely shelved to make his segments be 100% about BIPOCLGBTQ virtue signalling. The only character development Miles has all game is working Li and it happens in the last 1/5 of the game.
It's a fucking embarrassment, especially when the rest of his presence is boiled down to saving Pete's ass.
>working with* Li
1 month ago
Anonymous
Imagine living in a fantasy land where skin color doesn't matter to how a character gets sold. Anon is right. You're retarded.
>be black man >parents are foreign born africans >raised to just be a normal child that should avoid trouble and focus on my education >all my interests are in usual nerdy stuff like anime, programing, etc >everything marketed towards blacks is just brain dead slop thug shaker tier content, sportsball, and other boring schlock
I shift between finding it cringe to it being funny but not relatable in any sense.
The power of persuasion and suggestion is so strong they don't even realize it and just accept the propaganda. It's why israeli produced Rap sends young black people to prison, black people don't realize its all fake and rappers are just actors. Tupak was a gay ballet dancer that let it slip its all an act and then he was killed for it because he damaged the potential of the new rap industry that replaced rock and roll.
WHY IS HIS STUPID FUCKING nagger HAIR STICKING OUT NOT ONLY DOES IT LOOK TOTAL FUCKING SHIT BUT IT'D MAKE IT RIDICULOUSLY EASY TO FIGURE OUT HIS SECRET IDENTITY
>ayo muafugga bix nood bismilah gibsmedat suit for free >im peter darker muafugga shiit so u be sayin that we stopped trains with our bare hands while fighting doc ock n shit? shiit...we really be neighborhood spidahs n shit
I disagree. I actually felt the first game's Advanced Suit in particular was very slick, and used it for much of the original game. I haven't seen anything of the Miles DLC or sequel, the picture shown here with I assume Peter on the left looks quite terrible however. The white clashes with the suit instead of complementing it.
media has taught me that black people:
play basketball
like to rap
spray paint
wear sneakers
like chicken
can be a scientist if they want to, but prefer to rap instead
dont need no man
are really amazing
Miles was literally, unironically 100% created to be a black Spider-Man. That was his purpose, he wasn't made to be a new character with an interesting spin. He was made to satisfy a quota. Anything interesting that has come out of him as a character has been incidental to his creation.
nah because people try to convince you it's a race issue when the reality is it's a class issue
miles is priviledged and goes to private school, peter comes from a lower working class single woman run household. He can relate with the typical urban black experience way better than miles can
Race, that page was written by his creator, who also wrote this page. You'll never guess his early life.
Also, one of his (very few) stories is being chased for a future crime (Minority Report) by a Karen.
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lol
lmao
Okay, I assumed it was race, although to be honest "black" referring to his costume makes way more sense to me since anyone wearing a full-body costume would probably be more known for his costume than the skin underneath.
But it seems like this is an unintentional microcosm of lazy diversity. Don't want to be "black Spider-man"? Then be your own thing instead of Spider-man. Nobody IRL or in comics calls Robin "little Batman". Why? Because he's Robin, not Batman. He should've called himself Dark Web. That'd be funny.
In 5-10 years, they'll fully retire Peter and replace him with Miles in all spiderman media. They tried doing this a couple years back in the comics but it failed and they had to resurrect Peter. This current push will likely be successful though, mostly thanks to the spiderverse movies. Peter will get no closure to his story either since he has to be kept in a metaphoric cryotube to be brought back in case the general public doesn't latch onto Miles again. Also his hair is fucking awful in this game, I know blacks are only allowed to have like 4 hairstyles, but at least pick one that doesn't make the man look like a fucking toilet brush.
>New Miles suit in 2 looks great, making the read of the chest V continue down the arms was a good choice >Replace it with whatever the fuck this is
Really, it's a metaphor for this whole game. It's a shit ton of greatness constantly broken up by what a white liberal thinks people want in a Spidey game and it's a fucking slap in the face.
Spider Man 1 almost feels like the video game equivalent of bait at this point. Sure there was the light sprinkles of shit but for the most part it was an effective story that was true to what you'd come to want and expect from decades of Spider Man.
And then Miles Morales was an immediate heel turn but that's expected for a game totally focused on him. But then somehow his sections of the game in this one are even worse with it than his own game? How the fuck
so a white female liberal character designer thought a hoodie, jordans and a cut out so you can see his visible dreadlocks is a good representation of a black character
and blacks just eat it up? lol
It's completely defeating the purpose of one of Spider Man's original core concepts, across ALL iterations. Anyone man (or woman depending on the issue) could be under the mask.
To that effect, all of the girl Spidey suits that have their hair, or god forbid EYES, outside of the mask are retarded too.
Is there a reason that this is the only image people start Spider-Man threads with? Can't you at least use Miles DJing the Mysterio mission or Scream bitching at Peter once in a while?
The most retarded thing is both of them just being called Spider-Man. It makes sense in a universe where Miles is the only Spider-Man or takes up the mantle, but having two dudes running around constantly calling each other by the same name and being referred to by the same name is fucking retarded. No one would do that.
AWW SHEEEEEE NIBBA MILES DO FR BE ROCKEN DAT DRIP DOE FR FR FR NO CAP DEM SNEAKAZ WILL BE HAVING HIM COOK FR FR AND HE GOT DA HAIRS? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE BE BUSSIN NO CAP NO CAP!
I guess I'm not sure how much the whole "woke" shit affected sales. I mean it still sold well, right? Not as well as the first, but still decent. Is that because of the content in the game, or because it's 70 bucks for an expensive console that's not that widely owned?
The latter has been hitting every PS5 game in some way, who knows how much of the former had an effect when it was only slightly present in the marketing and the 1st game built up so much good will.
>Miles focused game noticeably underperforms >Double down on making him a vehicle for virtue signalling garbage in the next game
Western devs only know how to focus on being spiteful and self-hating instead of making a good product.
>this will sell our game
Brb buying a copy
T. German
>Literally sponsored by Adidas
>Despite claiming this
Milessister.... How are we coping ourselves out of this one
>not Nike
THEY HAD ONE JOB
Is that actually what his fucking mask looks like? Lmfao I never even bothered looking at the game because I knew you had to play as Miles, that's fucking hilarious who thought that was cool?
Yeah, it's the canon end of the game suit AND a marketing partnership with Adidas. You are now aware the shoulders don't even line up.
I honestly wonder what minorities feel like being marketed to like this
They don't. They just fall for it.
most of them are literally too stupid to care
probably the same way you feel when you are marketed to.
what hero panders to white consumerism?
israelites not targeting you is a good thing
take your pick of the average super successful white hero? pretty much all of them.
How do any of them pander to white consumerism specifically?
There was that time in the last 15 years where Peter... uh...
Literally all of Marvel. Even my 70 year old parents buy Marvel merchandise and my jaded as hell brother has Marvel socks that he thinks are the coolest things ever despite saying he hates all entertainment media.
Marvel is the modern white religion.
how is that WHITE consumerism however? These shoe deals are marketed towards blacks specifically. Whites do buy them but they are not the targeted demographic. Thus they are considered culturally emblematic. It would be like having a new Kamala Khan Spider-Woman character and having them wear a burqa
Most Marvel merchandise is targeted at whites, in the form of socks, t-shirts and polos.
how are those things culturally white? Polo shirts would be more white culturally, but that is an extremely miniscule part of Marvel's profit and there is no superhero flying around wearing a polo or a finance bro vest
I hate polo shirts
White heroes that have new suits and gadgets. Their logo, their quotes and their image. Everything about them gets commercialized. Of course that also works with black heroes, that's why Miles exists to pander and sell to a black audience. Capitalism inherintely alienates the people by commercializing everything. It's not just capeshit.
White heroes that have new suits and gadgets have been marketed to everyone and bought by everyone for decades. Nothing about Spider-Man was made specifically for white people, he was still enjoyed by blacks, asians, etc. It didn't pander to whites at all
>White heroes that have new suits and gadgets have been marketed to everyone and bought by everyone for decades
That literally doesn't defeat my point
>Nothing about Spider-Man was made specifically for white people
Except the character is white and he gets sold as the white Spider-Man especially nowadays. The reason black and asians enjoyed him because the haven't had any superheroes. The biggest one they got was Black Panther and they want people to look like them.
That has nothing to do with what I asked, which is what hero panders specifically to whites. The character is white, that's all. He's sold as the white Spider-Man today insofar as he has white skin. Nothing about him is specifically made for white people. Miles was purpose built to pander to blacks, he is not a character who just happens to be black but a black man heavily marketed towards black consumerism (rap music, sneakers, hoodies, black slang)
The white heroes specifically pander to white people and I explained to you in what ways before, you illiterate retard.
>The character is white, that's all.
Yeah that is important. Do you wanna pretend black people would hate it if they had a black character in a thing they liked
>Nothing about him is specifically made for white people
Except that's not true. The characters were made for white audiences. It's just a simple fact. Your capeshit products are barbie toys essentially and corporations realised they can expand their market. White people wanna buy the white Spider-Man. Black people wanna buy the black Spider-Man. Their skin color is essential to that.
>Miles was purpose built to pander to blacks
They pander by having toys, shirts, cartoons and movies made out of him. He is the commercial. Do you now also wanna pretend like cape media isn't a big commercial? Either way you're retarded.
>Yeah that is important. Do you wanna pretend black people would hate it if they had a black character in a thing they liked
If someone made a white Martin Luther King movie, do you think most whites would like it? Be honest now.
>Except that's not true. The characters were made for white audiences. It's just a simple fact. Your capeshit products are barbie toys essentially and corporations realised they can expand their market. White people wanna buy the white Spider-Man. Black people wanna buy the black Spider-Man. Their skin color is essential to that.
Prove it. The characters were made for people who are white, originally, but that is because most people were white at the time. What about Peter panders SPECIFICALLY to white people? You're just talking in circles. Are you saying only Miles' SKIN COLOR makes him appealing to blacks? When you responded to the rest of my post you truncated the final portion which is telling to me. Miles is marketed wearing hoodies, sneakers, with rap music, and black lingo. That is black culturally. Are you saying that these things are not appealing to whites, but if his skin were light he would suddenly be appealing?
>If someone made a white Martin Luther King movie
Martin Luther King isn't fictional capeshit you disingenious retard. He is a real person who was shaped by his experiences as a black man.
>Prove it.
What do you mean prove it? The proof is in the character, the comics, the toys and the movies that were made during a time where people of color weren't seen as human. Also interesting how you couldn't debunk anything
>Martin Luther King isn't fictional capeshit you disingenious retard. He is a real person who was shaped by his experiences as a black man.
You are the one that is saying that by virtue of someone's skin being black they are marketed specifically to blacks, that is your argument for why a white Peter Parket is marketed specifically for whites. It's a bizarre argument
>What do you mean prove it? The proof is in the character, the comics, the toys and the movies that were made during a time where people of color weren't seen as human. Also interesting how you couldn't debunk anything
I mean prove it. Prove that these things are marketed to whites specifically. I didn't debunk anything because there's nothing to debunk. I'm asking you to prove that because Peter has white skin he's marketed specifically to white people. All you've said is that white heroes are marketed to white people because white people made them and white people consumed them. A white person made Spawn and white people consumed those comics. Was Spawn made for black people?
You are getting flustered because I'm not accepting your tautologies.
>You are the one
I'm saying these capeshit characters are marketed by virtue of their skin color you complete and utter illiterate moron. READ instead of making up whataboutism scenarios about real people lmao.
>I mean prove it
I already have proven it and given you examples. Miles exists and he proves it well. You are just denying the facts because your brain doesn't work so well.
>there's nothing to debunk.
No you just can't do it really. It's pretty obvious.
>I'm saying these capeshit characters are marketed by virtue of their skin color you complete and utter illiterate moron. READ instead of making up whataboutism scenarios about real people lmao.
You're saying that, you're not proving it. Peter is not marketed to white people based on his skin color. He was made as a white man, nothing about him was distinctly white other than his skin. Miles is distinctly black in that he panders to stereotypical black culture, with rap, hoodies, and sneakers. Do you see Spider-Man slinging around New York wearing a polo shirt and a golf bag? No, because that's as retarded as OP's image
>I already have proven it and given you examples. Miles exists and he proves it well. You are just denying the facts because your brain doesn't work so well.
You haven't proven anything, you've just repeated yourself that because a character is black they are marketed to black people. Spawn is black, he was made by a white man and primarily consumed by white people. Was Spawn made for black people? The answer is no, reach deep inside and try and think of why that is the case
>H-His skin color doesn't count
Again. Instead of debunking anything I told you you immediately dismiss the argument because you got nothing. You can pretend all you want that skin color doesn't matter to become an ad but Miles exists and shows you they market them through skin color. Peter is marketed to white people. White people dominated the market back then since black people weren't seen as people. Would black people hate Peter originally being black? Would it not matter to sales if he was black? If so, why do you think that?
>You haven't proven anything,
I gave you examples, I told you how these examples worked therefore I've proven it to you. Unless you disprove how these arguments are wrong, I'll take it as a concession from you that you got nothing. Perhaps a little goalpost movie to a hypothetic white Malcolm X movie can save you this time though lmao
Spawn is a black character made by a white man and consumed by primarily white men. Was Spawn marketed to blacks? Why is Peter marketed to white people by virtue of his skin color but Spawn is not? I am being entirely upfront and taking you at your word but you really do not have an argument, you are just frustrated that I'm not accepting your wildly inaccurate statements.
I did not say that skin color doesn't matter to how a character gets sold, I said that a character being a certain color does not necessarily mean they are marketed specifically to that character. Peter is white, that does not mean he is marketed specifically to white people. Certainly some characters are made a certain color to market them to a specific people, but not always. That is my point.
>Spawn is a black character made by a white man and consumed by primarily white men
The comic industrie is a primarely white men field and that's because in the past they didn't market themselves to black people and other people of color you retard. It's always been a majority white people industry. The market just won't switch from majority white to majority black especially since it's been dying as well. Miles was created by a israelite, he still is an black Spider-Man ad for black people, how is that so hard to understand for your little brain. Spawn is marketed towards black people as well. Pretending he is not just because some racial group latched on to him as well makes you a double retard
>I am being entirely upfront and taking you at your word
Yeah yeah being upfront by using whataboutism with real life people when we're talking about capeshit instead of debunking the argument with your own facts.
Welp. Since you couldn't respond to the questions I asked you I accept your concession then. Peter was marketed towards whites. Miles was marketed towards blacks. Those are undeniable facts historically proven you couldn't debunk that. Congrats.
So you agree then that just because Spawn is a black character, he is indeed NOT targeting the black community. Not when he was made, and not now. So you do in fact acknowledge that a person's skin color does NOT in itself dictate who they are marketed to. Spawn was marketed towards white people despite being a black man because he was an interesting character. Miles was built from the ground up to target blacks, but it is not (just) because he has black skin. Nothing about Peter is culturally white other than his skin. Much about Miles is culturally black other than his skin. If Black Panther were white but absolutely everything else including imagery and culture were left the same that it would appeal to most whites?
You did not "watch" my argument, whatever that means, or you would understand that what I said does not disagree with your image whatsoever.
>So you agree then that just because Spawn is a black character, he is indeed NOT targeting the black community.
Again read what I said instead of repackaging my argument in a different way to suit your narrative. He is marketed to black people. I told you this by word. You don't need to sperg out anymore. It's clear you can't refute a single argument
How is he marketed towards black people? Go ahead and explain how that is the case. You do not have an argument other than saying "because he has black skin".
Nothing about what you posted disagrees with what I said. You just plain do not understand what I was arguing. That is okay.
Not him but because he's black, which is more than just skin color. This is a sufficient argument to say the character was marketed to Black folks.
It means I watched you trying to argue with that anon failing every single time. Hope this helps.
>That is my point.
It wasn't. I watched your argument but nice try.
little mermaid fucking sucks
I have no stake in this argument I'm just here to make sure nobody is slandering my man Spawn by comparing him to the virtuebait that Miles is.
I one hundred percent agree, that's more or less what I'm saying. Spawn was never made to appeal specifically to blacks, he's just a solid character who is also a black man. Miles was built from the ground up "for blacks" to pander to them. It's the same thing as Kamala Khan. She is a character purpose-built to pander to Muslims. Or at least a white liberal's idea of Muslims. It's entirely possible to have characters that are extremely well-made without being overt like this. No one would have an issue with Miles if his genesis wasn't constructed around soulless racebaiting.
Well what's so irritating about this game is that whatever good Spider Verse and the first couple of games have built up about his character, outside of just being racebait, has been almost entirely shelved to make his segments be 100% about BIPOCLGBTQ virtue signalling. The only character development Miles has all game is working Li and it happens in the last 1/5 of the game.
It's a fucking embarrassment, especially when the rest of his presence is boiled down to saving Pete's ass.
>working with* Li
Imagine living in a fantasy land where skin color doesn't matter to how a character gets sold. Anon is right. You're retarded.
>be black man
>parents are foreign born africans
>raised to just be a normal child that should avoid trouble and focus on my education
>all my interests are in usual nerdy stuff like anime, programing, etc
>everything marketed towards blacks is just brain dead slop thug shaker tier content, sportsball, and other boring schlock
I shift between finding it cringe to it being funny but not relatable in any sense.
I dont play realistic looking games so I dont care
I want actual African stuff, not this afroamerican gangsta rap stuff.
>those shoes are cool because spider-man wears them
>but how would you feel if those shoes weren't in the spider-man game?
>but they are in the game
The power of persuasion and suggestion is so strong they don't even realize it and just accept the propaganda. It's why israeli produced Rap sends young black people to prison, black people don't realize its all fake and rappers are just actors. Tupak was a gay ballet dancer that let it slip its all an act and then he was killed for it because he damaged the potential of the new rap industry that replaced rock and roll.
They are like dumb little children with underdeveloped brains so they praise this shit
They fell in the Black Panther marketing. Marvel was replacing a badass character like Blade with a meh tier character.
>ultra 4d mid
nahhhhh mid fr fr? no cap shii ain bussin
But he's wearing a fucking hoodie, not a compression shirt
They couldn't even get their advertising right
Yeah, but a hoodie would cost $200, and they know that blacks only spend that much money on shoes.
What the fuck were they thinking with that suit? it's so ugly
its an adidas in game advertisement that AAA slop fags paid full price for
I hate the sneakers it make the whole outfit look like a larp.
WHY IS HIS STUPID FUCKING nagger HAIR STICKING OUT NOT ONLY DOES IT LOOK TOTAL FUCKING SHIT BUT IT'D MAKE IT RIDICULOUSLY EASY TO FIGURE OUT HIS SECRET IDENTITY
FUCKING FUCK
It's very important that everyone knows Spider-Man is now black
why are you so racist?
on god frfr no cap lets’s fucking goooooooooo
ayo mofugga where the sprite and skittles dlc tf
gibs me dat costume spidermang i am da spider now
>ayo muafugga bix nood bismilah gibsmedat suit for free
>im peter darker muafugga shiit so u be sayin that we stopped trains with our bare hands while fighting doc ock n shit? shiit...we really be neighborhood spidahs n shit
>>im peter darker
>>im peter darker
Hahahah I'm stealing that
nigga with dat colgate drip lmoa
toothpaste lookin ass nigga
he be pullin up to da hood recommended by dentists
all post obama media: dumb white guy is wrong about everything so smart black guy can correct him
stop trying to redesign spiderman, the white looks terrible
I disagree. I actually felt the first game's Advanced Suit in particular was very slick, and used it for much of the original game. I haven't seen anything of the Miles DLC or sequel, the picture shown here with I assume Peter on the left looks quite terrible however. The white clashes with the suit instead of complementing it.
his regular design is perfect no need to change it
There are lots of variations which are great, I like it when they experiment and try to come up with something new
>Iron Spider alt color turns you into the white power ranger.
Oh boy can't wait for /misc/ to see this one.
No hot sexualized female characters with coomer outfits = no buy
media has taught me that black people:
play basketball
like to rap
spray paint
wear sneakers
like chicken
can be a scientist if they want to, but prefer to rap instead
dont need no man
are really amazing
What went wrong?
Right wing incelism
>be copy invented by a israeli cuckold decades after
>”i’m da real spiderman!”
Miles was literally, unironically 100% created to be a black Spider-Man. That was his purpose, he wasn't made to be a new character with an interesting spin. He was made to satisfy a quota. Anything interesting that has come out of him as a character has been incidental to his creation.
I haven't read the comics, but do in-comic characters actually know his race, or is "black" referring to his costume?
nobody says black when referring to a person, autist.
WTF are you talking about?
>that black guy
>oh, you mean that guy in the black shirt? Wait, you meant his race? What are you, autistic?
Race, that page was written by his creator, who also wrote this page. You'll never guess his early life.
Also, one of his (very few) stories is being chased for a future crime (Minority Report) by a Karen.
lol
lmao
They know his race. They make sure everyone knows. Anyone can wear the mask but it's more important that black people wear it
unironically this could be interesting, but modern comic writers suck
nah because people try to convince you it's a race issue when the reality is it's a class issue
miles is priviledged and goes to private school, peter comes from a lower working class single woman run household. He can relate with the typical urban black experience way better than miles can
/v/'s favourite Peter disagrees
Jesus, just how disconnected from reality are the homosexuals who write this trash?
Okay, I assumed it was race, although to be honest "black" referring to his costume makes way more sense to me since anyone wearing a full-body costume would probably be more known for his costume than the skin underneath.
But it seems like this is an unintentional microcosm of lazy diversity. Don't want to be "black Spider-man"? Then be your own thing instead of Spider-man. Nobody IRL or in comics calls Robin "little Batman". Why? Because he's Robin, not Batman. He should've called himself Dark Web. That'd be funny.
>Anything interesting that has come out of him as a character
Has there even been anything interesting that has come out of him as a character?
No. Milestrannies would love to pretend to but even in his "best" media they have to shit up Peter Parker to give everything to Peter Darker
>"I've never met a black person in real life" post
Good
I don't like naggers so kindly fuck off
A full body suit that covers the entire body but the sneakers and the very top of someone’s head is hilarious dogshit design
>Peter's spider emblem is white and Miles mulatto's emblem is black with electric blue
daamn this niggy finna zap a muhfukka
In 5-10 years, they'll fully retire Peter and replace him with Miles in all spiderman media. They tried doing this a couple years back in the comics but it failed and they had to resurrect Peter. This current push will likely be successful though, mostly thanks to the spiderverse movies. Peter will get no closure to his story either since he has to be kept in a metaphoric cryotube to be brought back in case the general public doesn't latch onto Miles again. Also his hair is fucking awful in this game, I know blacks are only allowed to have like 4 hairstyles, but at least pick one that doesn't make the man look like a fucking toilet brush.
They are definitely trying to do this but it’s never going to work, Miles is a non character.
>New Miles suit in 2 looks great, making the read of the chest V continue down the arms was a good choice
>Replace it with whatever the fuck this is
Really, it's a metaphor for this whole game. It's a shit ton of greatness constantly broken up by what a white liberal thinks people want in a Spidey game and it's a fucking slap in the face.
Spider Man 1 almost feels like the video game equivalent of bait at this point. Sure there was the light sprinkles of shit but for the most part it was an effective story that was true to what you'd come to want and expect from decades of Spider Man.
And then Miles Morales was an immediate heel turn but that's expected for a game totally focused on him. But then somehow his sections of the game in this one are even worse with it than his own game? How the fuck
I though this was an edit until i get to that part if the game, holy fuck who greenlighted this costume?
Is that how Venom looks in 2023?
MOIST
so a white female liberal character designer thought a hoodie, jordans and a cut out so you can see his visible dreadlocks is a good representation of a black character
and blacks just eat it up? lol
The suit exists because Adidas paid Sony
Is a sin that the scarlet spider suit II is not in the game
You know what? I don't mind that. Let him look like (not) Spiderman as much as possible.
It's completely defeating the purpose of one of Spider Man's original core concepts, across ALL iterations. Anyone man (or woman depending on the issue) could be under the mask.
To that effect, all of the girl Spidey suits that have their hair, or god forbid EYES, outside of the mask are retarded too.
Reminder that if it was about money, they'd just cater to whites (and east asians).
So the next game is going to have green goblin, doc ock, spiderman 2099 and silk right?
Is there a reason that this is the only image people start Spider-Man threads with? Can't you at least use Miles DJing the Mysterio mission or Scream bitching at Peter once in a while?
this guy is pissed lol
Oof, our response Milesisters?
The most retarded thing is both of them just being called Spider-Man. It makes sense in a universe where Miles is the only Spider-Man or takes up the mantle, but having two dudes running around constantly calling each other by the same name and being referred to by the same name is fucking retarded. No one would do that.
AWW SHEEEEEE NIBBA MILES DO FR BE ROCKEN DAT DRIP DOE FR FR FR NO CAP DEM SNEAKAZ WILL BE HAVING HIM COOK FR FR AND HE GOT DA HAIRS? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE BE BUSSIN NO CAP NO CAP!
DEY BE CALLIN IT SNEAKAZ CUZ AM BOUT TO SNEAK ON YO BITCHASSES
OH SHEEEEEEE HOMIE YOU BE OVER COOKING DEY WILL B CALLIN YOU DA BAKER FR FR
YA NIGGA COOKIN BE SO HARD DEY BE CALLIN ME WALTA BLACK
why did they literally cut out the scalp of his mask to free his bussin hair xdddd this is so fucking ridiculous literally how do you do fellow kids
I guess I'm not sure how much the whole "woke" shit affected sales. I mean it still sold well, right? Not as well as the first, but still decent. Is that because of the content in the game, or because it's 70 bucks for an expensive console that's not that widely owned?
The latter has been hitting every PS5 game in some way, who knows how much of the former had an effect when it was only slightly present in the marketing and the 1st game built up so much good will.
>Miles focused game noticeably underperforms
>Double down on making him a vehicle for virtue signalling garbage in the next game
Western devs only know how to focus on being spiteful and self-hating instead of making a good product.
They literally doubled down on the MJ missions to spite fans. The director even admitted that she's so OP she breaks the setting but he doesn't care.