>BBEG's motivation is to live forever. >UHHH ITS TOTALLY EVIL THOUGH BECAUSE.... >BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?

>BBEG's motivation is to live forever
>UHHH ITS TOTALLY EVIL THOUGH BECAUSE....
>BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT; OP is butthurt because he wants to be a lich.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ITT; Anon is butthurt because he isn't a lich

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is he achieving said immortality? In a vacuum it means nothing but it sounds like you're assblasted over being told sacrificing people to become immortal is bad or something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I dont think it is in the sense that most people say it is. People sacrifice others to live all the time. they try to dress it up with pathetic moralizing but in the end, its two animals competing and making sure the other one suffers or dies so they dont have to.

      If a litch wants to live forever and is sacrificing others to do so, they don't have a right to that. People have a right to fight him as surely as he has a right to try to exist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >as surely as he has a right to try to exist.

        "Listen, man," the wizard said, indicating the twenty people nailed to the device's columns around him, "animals compete for resources all the time." the device spins up, and the people scream as their bodies visibly lose mass, glowing energy flowing from them to a small flask at the center. "It's pathetic moralizing to dress it up with morals and ethics." he continues, as they turn to dust and their screaming souls are bottled up. "Fucking grow up, man."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he's never seen another animal eat another one alive while they scream and howl in pain.
          >he hasn't vigerously defended some jingo bullshit over the enemy, nor live in any place or location that used to belong to someone else
          >he doesn't eat meat nor vegetables nor drink water.
          >he doesn't know what it's like to starve to death, or be shredded with your entire family by a combine harvester so some city slickers can eat corn, completely clueless to your fate.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Suburbanite hands typed this post.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Finally, a reason to post the classic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Holy shit be careful with that thing. It's an antique.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Show me on the doll where western capitalism touched you OP

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you mean besides making me cattle for the federal reserve?

              >Finally, a reason to post the classic

              Unironically this is how the world works retard. if you think otherwise, it's because you don't get to see the cruelty someone else does to make your existance possible.

              This is breddy fucking succinct, lmfao

              Suburbanite hands typed this post.

              see

              The human suffering needed to allow Westerners to live their decadent lives is staggering, it's almost like the sins of their ignorance are what causes them to grow bloated, diseased and stupid.

              gays.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unironically this is how the world works retard
                Contrary to what some of the retards on this board might think, you walking into Walmart and spending $10 on a t-shirt is not some exploitative, violent affair. Predators exist, for sure, but the vast majority of people are cooperating every single day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its not some explotative violent affair
                >its another retard doesn't understand what logistics are episode,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.cato.org/commentary/reality-check-walmart-amazon-e-commerce

                https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/suppliers-of-lowes-in-the-us-and-walmart-in-brazil-linked-to-slave-labor-in-the-amazon/

                https://fortune.com/2022/10/17/walmart-intel-general-motors-shipping-import-labor-abuses-customs-manifests/

                https://www.managementstudyguide.com/modern-day-wage-slavery-at-wal-mart.htm

                https://sourcingjournal.com/topics/labor/kitex-garments-india-kerala-walmart-little-star-organic-carters-forced-labor-331076/

                Literally yes you dumb fuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what is the alternative? Am I, along with everyone else, supposed to walk in to the woods and eat bark and berries?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can accept you are part of this world and stained by its sins or you can close your eyes and pretend you are a lawful good paladin. theres a reason I do the latter for fun in games instead of inflict that autism on real life victims like the medical industry

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >s-slave labor
                I'm literally the one that anon was replying to and like in my previous post, you are soft balling.

                the kinds of destruction done to produce the scales of modern life have impact that will be felt for millennia if not more.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unironically this is how the world works retard. if you think otherwise, it's because you don't get to see the cruelty someone else does to make your existance possible.

                Did you order the Code Red?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA That's le epic zinger but it doesn't really change the reality of the situation.
              I don't like it, but there is truth to power deciding who is right by virtue of simply winning. The best you can do is use that to the best outcome of people possible, which admittedly means using force and violating consent (like interfering in an opioid dealer's operations, for example.)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't like it, but there is truth to power deciding who is right by virtue of simply winning.
                That's not the point of the quote. Lex is trying to justify himself by saying that he climbs on top of others to survive because everyone is doing it, so if he doesn't other people will just do the same to him. Superman says that most people don't want to live like that, we don't want to step on others to survive, and Lex is just trying to excuse his shitty behavior by pretending that everyone is as bad as him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most people get trampled on, anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most people try not to trample on others.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And they get trampled on.
                I'm not trying to be an edgelord but it's just how it is. I'm not saying I want to live with people like Lex, I'm saying they exist and it's unfortunately a winning strategy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Superman says that most people don't want to live like that, we don't want to step on others to survive, and Lex is just trying to excuse his shitty behavior by pretending that everyone is as bad as him.
                superman isn't providing any kind of actual arguement but crying like a bitch, then throwing a tantrum by punching lex luthor('s robot or whatever usually). he hasn't provided a solution in any way, in the narrative or literally, to the problem he wants to solve. He just does what lex does but better, then leaves the rest of humanity to suffer when he could help because doing so would make it easy for him to be branded a villain.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >superman isn't providing any kind of actual arguement
                Neither is Lex. It's a two panel exchange, they aren't laying out their proofs in depth. Luthor says the world is a certain way, Superman says it isn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >neither is lex
                lex doesn't have to. their struggle is all the evidence anyone needs to see hes right even if he loses. it's superman who is asserting that reality isn't like that while doing nothing but confirming lex's theory.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their struggle is all the evidence anyone needs to see hes right even if he loses.
                You mean the struggle where Lex tries to stomp on and abuse other people and Superman tries to stop him from doing so? Yes I can totally see how having someone prevent him from stepping on others proves that everyone steps on others.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                superman doesn't try to stop others from stepping on others, just lex. its okay when his tribe does it, according to you, unironically.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He stops crimes ranging from random street muggings to intergalactic world domination wars.

                >so my delusion not being real means you wont accept my delusions!?
                Yes.
                [...]
                >b-back to roman times
                what makes you think I'm calling roman times the good times?
                >WELL I DONT LIKE YOU SO ITS OKAY FOR ME TO BE MEAN AND HURT AND/OR KILL YOU!
                lmao
                >YOURE LAZY
                >NOT ME WHO PRINTS MONEY AND MAKES IT ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO NOT ACCEPT MY DEBT
                >TRIBAL WAR IS A THING
                cats fight to the death on the street all the time, but you cant tell me they aren't happier than your prisoners you fucking bussy bottom.

                >Are you from America? If so, when is the last time you scavenged wild maize and ground it in to flour with rocks, then made it in to unleavened bread?
                Literally no one did this in presocietal times
                >"WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY MUH CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT THAT PENIS = WOMAN IN PRE K!!!!!!!!!!!" is factual but you cant say that you cant okay! its transphobic and mean and bad!
                have a nice day chud.
                >I cant use my actions as proof thats not fair!

                So when were these "good times"? 8000 BC? 1740? 1050? 1000000 BC? 25 AD?
                Yes it's ok to be mean, nobody is saying you have to be nice
                Yes
                Nope
                Yes it is, a thing, yes cats do fight, and many street cats are not happy, they're always on edge and aggressive, unless fed and sheltered by people, kind of like how we live in a society and stuff
                Literally everyone did
                Cope and sneed retard, not everyone who has half a brain is a chud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He stops crimes ranging from random street muggings to intergalactic world domination wars.
                all so that the institutional muggers, dominators, and killers have exclusive access to the weak.
                >b-b-but m-muh copium.
                lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Superman says that most people don't want to live like that, we don't want to step on others to survive, and Lex is just trying to excuse his shitty behavior by pretending that everyone is as bad as him.
                superman isn't providing any kind of actual arguement but crying like a bitch, then throwing a tantrum by punching lex luthor('s robot or whatever usually). he hasn't provided a solution in any way, in the narrative or literally, to the problem he wants to solve. He just does what lex does but better, then leaves the rest of humanity to suffer when he could help because doing so would make it easy for him to be branded a villain.

                You're a grown adult. Stop looking to Superman comics for moral lessons

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s a fine idea in principle but not really an useful sentiment when you’re the one barging into a discussion about a comic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anytime someone is told to examine their life if they get moral lessons from comic books is a useful sentiment

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their struggle is all the evidence anyone needs to see hes right even if he loses.
                You mean the struggle where Lex tries to stomp on and abuse other people and Superman tries to stop him from doing so? Yes I can totally see how having someone prevent him from stepping on others proves that everyone steps on others.

                If this isn’t about that one page from Superman: Strength I will be mad

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >prefer
              preference doesn't change the fact that the only way for people to not "live like dogs" is to foist that cruel fate double portions on someone out of sight. Then you get to live out your moral autofelatio fantasies on blissful ignorance.

              Equity is a fucking joke and a meme but even the facsimile of it doesn't appeal to superman or banking institutions and the rule of law he protects would be the very first thing he would undo. In short, Superman is on top, just like lex luthor. He doesn't have to kneel to anyone, so he wont interrupt his idyllic life and reputation taking on a real monster.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >preference doesn't change the fact that the only way for people to not "live like dogs" is to foist that cruel fate double portions on someone out of sight.
                That's bullshit though. Better medical knowledge does not require you to make someone else "live like a dog", nor does improved agricultural techniques, superior engineering, more efficient production processes, better societal policies, fairer laws, less corrupt political systems, or increased education.

                The fact that our current systems are being abused and unbalanced to the point where they harm others doesn't mean that we have not created things that can be used to improve the lives of everyone. Quality of life is not a zero-sum-game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >better medical knowledge
                And yet somehow the vaccines went to the West first.
                >agricultural technique
                Yes, so now we force the South American and Chinaman to toil for our cheap food, while we drive out out farmers for too much nitrogen pollution
                >superior engineering
                Built on materials dug up by child hands in mines in Africa
                >efficient production processes
                Efficiency was achieved via outsourcing those manufacturing jobs, hurting American workers, and forcing slaves to labor for your cheap Chinesium crap
                >better societal policies
                Mmm, yes, like NAFTA or the TPP? Or perhaps stakeholder capitalism?
                >fairer laws
                For us. Not for the people who labor for us.
                >less corrupt political systems
                LOL
                LMAO
                >increased education
                This one is actually legit. Yes they're better educated, but not for their benefit, obviously.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This man thinks animals and plants are moral actors
            >This man thinks that animals killing each other is sufficient justification for people to do the same
            >This man thinks that humans should act like animals
            >This man thinks that just because killing things for food is acceptable it means that all other reasons for killing things are also acceptable.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >its okay to be evil to others as long as our arbitrary morals say it is
              >its okay to kill eachother as long as we make up a reason for it
              >No I'm not going to look up the damage, death, and destruction we do to past current and future human generations., I want to live in my sanitized fantasy bubble.

              You think this is some MGRR type of super deep thoughts but you're just saying "Uhhh actually I could totally kill someone and rob them to buy stuff"

              no retard, I'm saying you already robbed someone and if you think you haven't, it's because you paid someone else to do it for you.

              >preference doesn't change the fact that the only way for people to not "live like dogs" is to foist that cruel fate double portions on someone out of sight.
              That's bullshit though. Better medical knowledge does not require you to make someone else "live like a dog", nor does improved agricultural techniques, superior engineering, more efficient production processes, better societal policies, fairer laws, less corrupt political systems, or increased education.

              The fact that our current systems are being abused and unbalanced to the point where they harm others doesn't mean that we have not created things that can be used to improve the lives of everyone. Quality of life is not a zero-sum-game.

              >better medical knowledge
              what the fuck are you sperging about?
              > nor does improved agricultural techniques, superior engineering, more efficient production processes, better societal policies, fairer laws, less corrupt political systems, or increased education.
              oh, I see, you're an idiot who thinks these things make people live less like dogs instead of more.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no retard, I'm saying you already robbed someone and if you think you haven't, it's because you paid someone else to do it for you.
                >oh, I see, you're an idiot who thinks these things make people live less like dogs instead of more.
                You forgot to add *tips fedora* to the end of your post anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gaythiests
                >not worshiping technorogy
                0/10 try again

                >having more available food is living more like a dog
                >being able to cure more diseases is living more like a dog
                >being able to construct better shelter is living more like a dog
                >having less corrupt politicians is living more like a dog
                >Having better access to education is living more like a dog

                >living in a cage is living less like a dog
                >living alone is living less like a dog
                >being driven to poverty is less like a dog
                >being slaughtered and experimented on is living less like a dog
                >eating a non ancestral diet is living less like a dog
                >having more corrupt politicians is living less like a dog
                >having mandatory indoctrination camps is living less like a dog.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So having less corrupt politicians causes us to have more corrupt politicians? Having better shelter causes us to live in cages? Better medicine causes us to live alone? Having better food causes us to eat worse? I'm not following the causal relationship you're trying to establish here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so my delusion not being real means you wont accept my delusions!?
                Yes.

                in a cage is living less like a dog
                People all the way back in Roman times have been tied to the land and unable to leave, and even if they wanted to it was just impossible for most
                alone is living less like a dog
                YOU live alone, because YOU are a loser.
                driven to poverty is less like a dog
                YOU are poor, because YOU are a lazy retard
                slaughtered and experimented on is living less like a dog
                Believe it or not, people have cut each other up to see what's inside since we've figured out sharp rocks
                a non ancestral diet is living less like a dog
                Are you from America? If so, when is the last time you scavenged wild maize and ground it in to flour with rocks, then made it in to unleavened bread? When is the last time you had pizza, french fries, steak, cereal, coffee, tea, or something besides what your ancestors ate every day?
                more corrupt politicians is living less like a dog
                Politicians have been corrupt since politics were invented, you can go all the way back to Ur and see this
                mandatory indoctrination camps is living less like a dog.
                "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY MUH CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT THAT PENIS = WOMAN IN PRE K!!!!!!!!!!!" is ridiculous, assuming by "mandatory indoctrination camp" you mean school. At this point I'm assuming you're just a troll cause if not you've got to get some real life experience. If this is what you really think, why aren't you out robbing someone right now? Why haven't you killed your neighbor? When is the last time you committed any crime more serious than jaywalking or maybe smoking weed (assuming you even have the social skills to get some)
                [...]
                >lex doesn't have to
                "I don't need proof because it's obvious" is disingenuous at best

                >b-back to roman times
                what makes you think I'm calling roman times the good times?
                >WELL I DONT LIKE YOU SO ITS OKAY FOR ME TO BE MEAN AND HURT AND/OR KILL YOU!
                lmao
                >YOURE LAZY
                >NOT ME WHO PRINTS MONEY AND MAKES IT ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO NOT ACCEPT MY DEBT
                >TRIBAL WAR IS A THING
                cats fight to the death on the street all the time, but you cant tell me they aren't happier than your prisoners you fucking bussy bottom.

                >Are you from America? If so, when is the last time you scavenged wild maize and ground it in to flour with rocks, then made it in to unleavened bread?
                Literally no one did this in presocietal times
                >"WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY MUH CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT THAT PENIS = WOMAN IN PRE K!!!!!!!!!!!" is factual but you cant say that you cant okay! its transphobic and mean and bad!
                have a nice day chud.
                >I cant use my actions as proof thats not fair!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in a cage is living less like a dog
                People all the way back in Roman times have been tied to the land and unable to leave, and even if they wanted to it was just impossible for most
                alone is living less like a dog
                YOU live alone, because YOU are a loser.
                driven to poverty is less like a dog
                YOU are poor, because YOU are a lazy retard
                slaughtered and experimented on is living less like a dog
                Believe it or not, people have cut each other up to see what's inside since we've figured out sharp rocks
                a non ancestral diet is living less like a dog
                Are you from America? If so, when is the last time you scavenged wild maize and ground it in to flour with rocks, then made it in to unleavened bread? When is the last time you had pizza, french fries, steak, cereal, coffee, tea, or something besides what your ancestors ate every day?
                more corrupt politicians is living less like a dog
                Politicians have been corrupt since politics were invented, you can go all the way back to Ur and see this
                mandatory indoctrination camps is living less like a dog.
                "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY MUH CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT THAT PENIS = WOMAN IN PRE K!!!!!!!!!!!" is ridiculous, assuming by "mandatory indoctrination camp" you mean school. At this point I'm assuming you're just a troll cause if not you've got to get some real life experience. If this is what you really think, why aren't you out robbing someone right now? Why haven't you killed your neighbor? When is the last time you committed any crime more serious than jaywalking or maybe smoking weed (assuming you even have the social skills to get some)

                >neither is lex
                lex doesn't have to. their struggle is all the evidence anyone needs to see hes right even if he loses. it's superman who is asserting that reality isn't like that while doing nothing but confirming lex's theory.

                >lex doesn't have to
                "I don't need proof because it's obvious" is disingenuous at best

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but for the longest time I was involved in the Eastern European flesh trade. I actually caught up with an old "war buddy" of mine, who mentioned that the recent war in Ukraine has been very good for business.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day pozhaluysta

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cхyяли? Ecли бы эти шaлaвы чyтoк пoдyмaли гoлoвoй a нe пeздoй, oни бы пoняли чтo "cocтoятeльный итaлo-aмepикaнeц cтpaдaющий oт oдинoчecтвa иc бeздyхoвнocти" нa caйтe знaкoмcтв этo пoлнaя липa, и чтo вecтиcь нa этo дoцтaтoчнo глyпo.

                >Why the fuck? If these whores thought about it for a second with their heads and not their vags, they would come to the conclusion that "a well-to-do Italian-American suffering from loneliness and lack of culture" on a dating website is most certainly a honeypot, and to believe that is fairly stupid.

                So either
                a) You recognize there are good people, who are better than you and actually make the world a better place. If that's the case then it follows that people should strive to be like that
                b) You shrug it off by saying good people don't exist, which ultimately equals to moral relativism. In such scenario, people will still strive for survival and morality will rise up again as a need to keep society working, because people want to protect their own interests within a society and while conflicts of interest do appear, almost everyone agrees that people who want to be dicks for the sake of it are not even worth having around.

                NTA, but what a shit take. It's none of those. Morality doesn't exist period, so it can't be relative. I suppose you could say that "subjective morality" exists, but that's just saying that a person is capable of having a framework for their actions. Also, most people don't, they just do stuff without really thinking about it. So good or evil doesn't exist, it's "does this person's subjective code of ethics align with mine?"

                Too long didn't read, but it's clear plato is right about virtueless people being slaves that allow their nations to transform into tyrannies
                >if things can't get better I'll make them worse
                >if i'm shit at money making, I'll just steal
                Your nihilism is a cope that you have no virtues and have no desire for self improvement, you have to attempt to make everyone else around you look worse by projecting your shit onto everyone else
                Reminder that there was a time where people could walk from Paris to Rome without getting attacked or robbed

                You are what is known as a chump. Nations will still do whatever, but you don't get to reap the benefit - you just work for others.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >having more available food is living more like a dog
                >being able to cure more diseases is living more like a dog
                >being able to construct better shelter is living more like a dog
                >having less corrupt politicians is living more like a dog
                >Having better access to education is living more like a dog

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you mean besides making me cattle for the federal reserve?
            [...]
            Unironically this is how the world works retard. if you think otherwise, it's because you don't get to see the cruelty someone else does to make your existance possible.
            [...]
            [...]
            see[...]
            gays.

            >Unironically this is how the world works retard.
            I know this is classic bait but in case theres a young edge lord out there who thinks this still:

            Evolution rewards co-operative and mutualist relationships over exploitative and predatory, because co-operation is inherently selfish.

            Some of the oldest known bacteria in the world exist in the human digestive system where they act in symbiosis with each other and humans. Viruses meanwhile, the most exploitive form of reproducing life known, risk killing themselves off if they are too successful at that exploitation as they destroy the host.

            Social behaviour also appears in the form of both herbivores herds and predatory packs that share the work load of child rearing and food collection. That behaviour is why we are the dominant species on the planet, despite being the argumentative fuckers that we are, humans tend towards groups thoughts and activity and pass on resources and knowledge to other members of the group with the full expectation/demand of getting something back in return as part of the social contract.

            TLDR; the pack beats the lone wolf and will eat them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The human suffering needed to allow Westerners to live their decadent lives is staggering, it's almost like the sins of their ignorance are what causes them to grow bloated, diseased and stupid.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The savages were torturing eachother long before we contacted them, we've just given them something productive to do.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is breddy fucking succinct, lmfao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >said the man typing on a computer made in a sweatshop, leaning back in his leather chair that dumped pollution into the sky, eating food made from slaughtered animals, before switching over to a video of a bunch of towelheads beheading each other

          >might makes right cuckoldry
          cringe
          [...]
          >A lich who hunts down murderers and rapists to fuel his immortality
          >bro becoming a horrible monster that is sustained by consuming humans is le good because... I eat the bad people!
          cringe utilitarian midwit atheist

          >might makes right is cringe
          It's the only thing that makes sense. All laws, all society, all philosophy, all religions - everything in the world is built on that simple axiom.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            after 100 posts of seething no need to hold back these are like the weakest of the examples of modern city slicker hedonism.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not the same dude.

              So what is the alternative? Am I, along with everyone else, supposed to walk in to the woods and eat bark and berries?

              Buy local and support local craftspeople. Don't buy from Amazon or Walmart, buy from Etsy, or even better, from your local craft fair.
              >but it's too expensive
              So you're choosing your personal comfort over ethics? Bit of a hypocrite, ain'tcha?

              >s-slave labor
              I'm literally the one that anon was replying to and like in my previous post, you are soft balling.

              the kinds of destruction done to produce the scales of modern life have impact that will be felt for millennia if not more.

              I don't care who you are.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >might makes right cuckoldry
        cringe

        There's also the question of what you plan to do with said immortality. A lich who hunts down murderers and rapists to fuel his immortality and is only really interested in the sheer autism of magical research and writing down events to create historical archives is a lot different from the vampire who seeks the tomb of a demigod to devour his heartsblood and rule the world as an undying tyrant.

        >A lich who hunts down murderers and rapists to fuel his immortality
        >bro becoming a horrible monster that is sustained by consuming humans is le good because... I eat the bad people!
        cringe utilitarian midwit atheist

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bro becoming a horrible monster that is sustained by consuming humans is le good because... I eat the bad people!
          I did not say that. I said there was a difference, which there is. The autist lich can probably be temporarily ignored in favor of dealing with the vampire, because one is an active danger to the world at large and the other one is a turbo autist in a tower somewhere.
          Aside from that, let's assume I were to argue the morality of such a thing. Nobody is likely to mourn a murderer or a rapist, and most places in history will punish either or both of those crimes with execution anyway, so what actual difference does it make how they get murdered? If I wanted to further the concept, it's entirely possible such a hyper autist would be intelligent enough to work out a deal with a king to simply be provided with the aforementioned murderers and rapists after they've been found guilty by a proper court in exchange for access to the results of aforementioned magical research. Execution by lich, not as much of a spectacle as a hanging but the intimidation factor is still there.
          >cringe utilitarian midwit atheist
          I see that you have no actual argument and instead think tossing buzzwords around like a monkey flings shit makes you the winner. As such I will use words you understand. Ahem,
          Cope, seethe, didn't ask, cry about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You think this is some MGRR type of super deep thoughts but you're just saying "Uhhh actually I could totally kill someone and rob them to buy stuff"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lich hands typed this post

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's also the question of what you plan to do with said immortality. A lich who hunts down murderers and rapists to fuel his immortality and is only really interested in the sheer autism of magical research and writing down events to create historical archives is a lot different from the vampire who seeks the tomb of a demigod to devour his heartsblood and rule the world as an undying tyrant.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I had a dollar for every time some spergelord shitsniffer tried to argue with me about whether genocide could be justified as long as the lich could use the harvested souls to do good forever...

      And they literally every single one - every single time, not fucking joking or exaggerating at all - every single one of them turned out to be sexually attracted to little girls, and they used an anime e-boita for their profile pic somewhere.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude how many pedos are you surrounded by? Get better social networks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's only when I allow applicants from /tg/ when I run PUGs...

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the BBEG's method of becoming immortal?
    What's he planning to do with his immortality?
    Becoming immortal isn't inherently bad, but that doesn't mean it can't work as a villain's motive.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At what method, cost and consequence?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP can't tell you because he just wants to make a bitch thread about what other people are doing instead of doing his own thing.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >BBEG
    Yikes.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >BBEG's motivation is to kill everyone
    >His Alignment: LG

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture man.
      >Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is wanting to be immoral wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >immoral
      anon I think you're the retard

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name one setting where living forever is treated as inherently bad. Every time it’s the means to do that. Nobody cares that you want to live forever, they care that you plan to sacrifice thousands of people to do it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if you sacrifice a thousand pedophiles for your lichdom ritual. Not like anyone would object to that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Killing people because they like drawings

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >killing coomers to achieve immortality
          completely justified.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, if it makes you feel better, we want to kill you because you like drawings.
          You repulsive deluded freak.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, it's still MURDER. They weren't tried in the court of law, or had their abnormality fixed by a God via restoration, or whatever- they were just killed by some random fucknuckle who wants to be immortal for his own personal gain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have a modest proposal...

        What if we sacrifice a thousand liches?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about Dragonball Z?
      Sure, there are some fringe cases, like the tree of might.
      But most of the time, the main problem is that the only guys who seem to want to use the dragonballs to wish for eternal life, are arse-bandits of the highest calibre, who almost always have "and rule the universe" as next on their bucketlist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DBZ is also a series where death is a joke and the afterlife is pretty cushy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Dragonball Z is exactly like real life
          Fr, fr, no cap.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even then it’s a case of the who more than the what. If John Johnson from Springfield Missouri wanted to wish for immortality the Z fighters wouldn’t try to stop him, he would be immortal and nobody would care. Hell if Goku wished for inmortality (not that he would because than fights against him wiuldn’t be fair) I think most people would be happy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What about Dragonball Z?
        Master Roshi, fortune teller Baba, Crane Hermit, and Tao Pai Pai are immortal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Crane Hermit, and Tao Pai Pai are immortal
          When is it establishes that those two are immortal?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A 2000AD comic YEARS ago, that I've never found again, had the human race discover immortality. After a while they started being ripped apart by ... demons or something, but the twist was that the souls of the dead were needed to fight them off in the afterlife. Every civilisation that stumbled upon immortality eventually disappeared almost overnight but noone had ever figured out why before Our Hero. The dead had to eat them to beat them, for some reason. Maybe author had a vore fetish, I dunno. Never been able to track it down, not even random images.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It might not be evil, but it's against the law of the gods.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can just imagine OP sitting there reading his complete guide to Liches fantasizing about sacrificing all the 22 year old dudes who are fucking all the girls his age who won't fuck him instead of spending that time actually transforming himself to be that kind of 22 year old dude.

    Or no actually he's probably already past that point and is just mad at the entire process of nature.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its usually evil for 1 of 2 reasons

    1: the act itself requires some kind of sacrifice of innocent souls or even ritual sacrifice of still living victims

    2: the act itself is not inherently harmful to anyone, but the guy trying to achieve immortality is some kind of tyrant or despot and having them live forever would doom the land to an eternity of oppression and cruelty

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Listen, we wouldn't be involved if you were doing this in your basement and it wasn't affecting other people. It's not the immortality part that has a group of adventurers being paid to break down your door, its the fact that your immortality experiments have been done on hundreds of kidnapped people from surrounding kingdoms and its gotten bad enough that anyone who comes back with your head gets a land and a title.
    You've been fucking up for a while, I'm just the guy who got hired to clean up the mess you caused.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >posting redditlands memes
    Upboated!

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's evil because it goes against God's beautiful creation, nature.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So does throwing a giant omnicidal rock at the whole thing, but you don't see the big guy holding himself back from that, now do you?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He wrote the rules and the rules say he can do as he pleases and it's still morally right. Check mate, maltheists!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From a setting perspective, becoming immortal always has to have a price, because if it didn't then it would mean that lots of people would be immortal.

    Even you were okay with that in principle, it opens up the next problem of "why are the PCs in charge of stopping this national threat when level 40 mythic good-aligned wizard who lived for 8000 years can solve it in a week"

    Therefore for setting integrity, immortality methods are typically evil.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hang on, don't adventurers kill truckloads of monsters and what have you daily? Surely all one would need to gather the necessary souls needed to fuel your ascension to lichdom is go around adventuring for a while. Even if you need humanoids specifically, there's plenty of humanoid villains you could easily stumble upon; bandit attacks are always a classic.

    Now the real issue with this plan is that this is all nonsense, as there are no actual rules (in third edition at least, since we're clearly ignoring the nonsense that is the fifth edition's process, which hardly requires anything evil at all) for how you become a lich other than it being "unspeakably evil". So, we don't even know if it requires sacrifices or consuming people's souls or whatever, but we do know that whatever the process is, it is always going to be utterly vile and evil.

    Of course, in D&D it's doubly a moot point, as there are far better ways of achieving immortality (there's a trick I figured out ages ago that Truenamer could potentially use to resurrect himself for free from beyond the grave, minus a large setup cost, but that comes at the cost of relying on slightly fuzzy wording and having to live out your immortal life as a Truenamer).

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the vast majority of fantasy or scifi settings there's nothing wrong with biological immortality, i.e simply not dying of old age. Fey and Angels don't have an expiration date, in scifi ascending to become an energy being or genetic treatment to live forever or clone backups are pretty common and nobody cares.
    It's what you're willing to do to become immortal, or if the condition isn't JUST "you no longer die of old age" that things tend to get sketchy.
    Being handed a fruit of eternal youth by a fair folk noble after saving their court is essentially fluff, it has no bearing on your actual power and 99.9% of player characters will die of something other than old age to begin with. The reason people seek out shit like lichdom or being a vampire is the immortality PLUS the insurance against getting stabbed to death.

    For what it's worth in eastern fiction the pursuit of immortality doesn't have negative connotations

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That energy to sustain eternal life has got to come from somewhere, an immortal being adds way too much entropy and is bad for the universe and must be destroyed before it's too late.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain gets exactly what he wants and deserves

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Soul garden gnome god of the dead said so, and they're the biggest dick on the block so the rest of the gods go along with it

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >edgelords who don't understand what ideals are

    yes yes yes and romance is chemicals in the brain and we are alone in the stars and all that shit, blah blah blah everyone dies a pointless death and if not we harm others in the living of it, so on and so forth.

    But the point isn't what IS, here. We're talking about fantasy games and their consequences, wherein many of those games one fights literally elemental expressions of evil in the service of literally elemental expressions of good. Siphoning the actual life-force from others to bolster your own isn't just metaphor in these games, it's the fact of things that villains do.

    But other fact of the matter is that in most of these games we are not powerless to stop these actions, we are not meaningless flecks in the face of eternal meaninglessness, we wield great power and have enormous capability. A Fighter can swing that sword for 18 hours a day and not worry about it at all, a Paladin can literally ring up some aspect of his divine management if not the one in charge to ask if an action is copacetic, and so on. Ambiguity is out the window, and with it goes most nihilism, at least if your game is any fun, really.

    So yes: Strapping down a dozen people to eat their souls like gummy bears is an undeniably evil act of direct murder and must be met with action and be rebuked, because that's the game, that's the story, and that's the villain.

    >but capitalism!
    Oh my god who the hell cares, we know you think laws are evil and only ever oppression because you want to get off scott free for your secret fun time with your fucking niece, now let us game in peace.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>but capitalism!
      >Oh my god who the hell cares, we know you think laws are evil and only ever oppression because you want to get off scott free for your secret fun time with your fucking niece,
      What are you talking about? Is there new breadtuber drama?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, all this shit like

        >its okay to be evil to others as long as our arbitrary morals say it is
        >its okay to kill eachother as long as we make up a reason for it
        >No I'm not going to look up the damage, death, and destruction we do to past current and future human generations., I want to live in my sanitized fantasy bubble.
        [...]
        no retard, I'm saying you already robbed someone and if you think you haven't, it's because you paid someone else to do it for you.
        [...]
        >better medical knowledge
        what the fuck are you sperging about?
        > nor does improved agricultural techniques, superior engineering, more efficient production processes, better societal policies, fairer laws, less corrupt political systems, or increased education.
        oh, I see, you're an idiot who thinks these things make people live less like dogs instead of more.

        this just screams "let me do the bad things because being kept from evil is oppression" and nine times out of fucking ten, the only reason this argument is used is either "I want to murder the shit out of a cashier for not smiling at me" or "I wanna diddle children and get away with it". It's tiresome, it's old, and I don't want to hear it, especially when talking about goddamn games of pretend where the context is that the universal morality can be conveyed either on a numerical value, a nine point chart, or the fucking dude sitting across from me who happens to be willing to pilot this fuck-shit trip for us.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget it also comes from someone too afraid to commit a crime as minor as going 5mph over

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yeah, that too. They wouldn't shoplift from a 7-11, but boy, we all know that morality is a lie and the system is just to keep us down, man, isn't it? Age of consent is a social construct and everyone can meaningfully consent, I should have the right to whatever I can force others to give me, dude, because we all know that buying a bag of chips is murder anyway!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget it also comes from someone too afraid to commit a crime as minor as going 5mph over

          Oh yeah, that too. They wouldn't shoplift from a 7-11, but boy, we all know that morality is a lie and the system is just to keep us down, man, isn't it? Age of consent is a social construct and everyone can meaningfully consent, I should have the right to whatever I can force others to give me, dude, because we all know that buying a bag of chips is murder anyway!

          I love how the truth causes you retards so much cognitive dissonance you've resorted to constructing a straw totem of me to burn amongst yourselves. Whatever helps you retards sleep at night. the lives you ignore wont end up any better, but at least you "totally know better than that one guy on the internet"

          I considered showing you just what kind of widespread destruction a fucking T shirt from walmart represents, but you idiots would just excuse it anyway. not enough of the right tribe being killed I guess.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I considered showing you just what kind of widespread destruction a fucking T shirt from walmart represents, but you idiots would just excuse it anyway
            Compared to what? Everyone holding hands, singing kumbaya, and wearing grass skirts? You never said when these good times were. Believe it or not, some people are gonna be mean to each other no matter what. You don't have to be one of those people, and being one of them isn't a good thing

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't need to. It doesn't take any brain cells at all to gather that the restrictions placed upon modern humans are inhuman, nor that violence against a leader is a great way to keep them from being a complete douchebag.

              Therefore, it's pretty simplistic and straightforward that the smallest unit of governance is the most fair, because on that level it takes far far less people to organize a resistance to it. This is what causes times to be "good". For freedom, both its negative and positive consiquences, to be something you can experiance. It is not a matter of just when, but where, who, and how many.

              lich hands typed this post

              >You don't have to be one of those people, and being one of them isn't a good thing
              you do, and the fact that you think otherwise is proof you're paying others to be evil for you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if someone walked up to you on the street and beat you to death, you'd be fine with it because bad = good? What even is your argument? Government bad? Society bad? Morals bad? Nice bad? What is your ideal society? When was humanity at its peak according to you? Why do you think we should all kill each other? Why haven't you gone to bed, despite the fact you have a big math test tomorrow and you need to get a 90 on it to pass 8th grade and you haven't studied?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So if someone walked up to you on the street and beat you to death, you'd be fine with it because bad = good?
                retarded moralfag cope and spin
                I never said anything approaching this.
                now watch, I can already tell your next move, and we both know you're going to take that obvious low hanging fruit that proves you are purposely missing the point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will have to work 60 years to make what some boomer shit could make in 10. and I am still unbelievably lucky, while you protect a legion of monster wannabes under the guise of pearl cluching retardation.
                >Let me fuck kids and kill people because the world is already a shithole!
                Nice strawman, but heres a fact
                >you cant kill people, these kidfuckers and child eaters are innocent!
                t. you.

                Anon, stop and take a breather. You're spiralling into incoherence and I don't think you were doing a great job of making your point initially. Step away from your keyboard for a few moments, gather your thoughts and consider if this argument is with your time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Let me fuck kids and kill people because the world is already a shithole!
            >dude you're fucked up and not in a cool way, we're trying to play a pretend game here.
            >YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF THE TRUUUUUTH

            Anon, I was *joking* about the kid-fucking. What the actual fuck.

            I'll say it once more, with all the clarity I can muster: We're talking about a game of pretend where the rules give us the power to change the world and its evils are clearly demarcated for all to know and see with little room for interpretation. This isn't the real world we are discussing. Wal-mart, as an entity, does not exist, nor is there anything like it, Amazon is at most a tribe of hot chicks put in for the tomboy enthusiast in the gang.

            In such a space and setting, one should use said powers to alter the world towards goodness and kindness where one can, because it's the correct thing to do when one has the power to do so and the knowledge of how and the certainty of the results. To do anything else - with all these factors considered - can only be considered evil and the actions, therefore, of a villain.

            seriously, why do these edgelords all want to diddle children and refuse to admit it's reprehensible when faced with it. what in the name of all that's good in this world. christ.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, don't you realise that wanting to prevent people from diddling kids is just as evil as diddling kids :^)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like the people responsible for stopping kid diddling just happen to do the most kid diddling. hmm, what a coincidence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >guy joins fbi to catch pedos only to jack off to all the evidence they find

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this retard thinks the fbi just jacks off to porn
                lmao

                [...]
                Anon, stop and take a breather. You're spiralling into incoherence and I don't think you were doing a great job of making your point initially. Step away from your keyboard for a few moments, gather your thoughts and consider if this argument is with your time.

                >nooo go to sleep goy!
                kek so in the end, you have no arguements at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say sleep. I didn't say stop. Hell, I didn't even say you're wrong. I just said you're getting wound up and need to take a second to regain your composure.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wanting to do good

              OH OH OH LOOK AT THIS FUCKING RETARD AND LAUGH

              https://onlinereadfreenovel.com/stanislaw-lem/p,24,42038-the_cyberiad_read.html

              Read this, ye of little brains, and be enlightened.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nine point chart
          HAVE YOU
          TRIED
          NOT PLAYING
          D&D?

          There are many systems out there that actually approach this topic with nuance. Like Shadowrun. There's no morality involved. You don't lose the points for murdering witnesses, or doing kidnapping. Did you know that child brains in SR are perfect for cyborgs, and depending on the quality, they'll go for 50k nuyen? And that combat-grade implants would cost like 70k, so that's like, 2 kids, assuming you don't drug them, or like 7 if you do.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not immortality that bothers me, it's the fact that every lich or demigod or whatever invariably decides to take his gayry out on the rest of the world that makes stress-testing his immortality necessary.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >West is oppressing people in other countries by giving people jobs that are safer and more profitable than what previously existed in their country
    Lmao, and you call other people infantile.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      um akshually sweaty we live in a society industral bad i luv nature (I have a crippling addiction to the internet and technology in general.)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >(I have a crippling addiction to the internet and technology in general.)
        I don't know if this is an effective argument. I had a meth head tell me to never try meth once. He seemed to know from experience how bad it is

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dont expect these retards to make logical arguements, the cant comprehend the most basic logical problems of human behavior or nature in general. This is ironically why japan produces so much good media with a moralfag message that these retarded /co/mmies will never understand, Nips understand to get something you have to give something up. it's part of their religious and moral philosophy, or whats left of it after modernization and lost jingo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've had meth heads tell me I gotta try it and it's the best thing ever, broken clocks, yadda yadda

          >So if someone walked up to you on the street and beat you to death, you'd be fine with it because bad = good?
          retarded moralfag cope and spin
          I never said anything approaching this.
          now watch, I can already tell your next move, and we both know you're going to take that obvious low hanging fruit that proves you are purposely missing the point.

          So what are you saying?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm saying that life is a game of limited resources, it doesn't matter if you do good if in the process you do as much bad. You can do that anyway, which you should, but it's not "good" as the moralfag understand it. It's simply personal interest. You have a personal interest in skellingtons not taking over the world, and I have a personal interest in not being enslaved by soulless yids running a central banking scheme largely defended by you and your capeshit posse. No matter who comes out on top, someone gets fucked. Even if we sit here and agree not to kill eachother for the greater good, population and resource dwindling will boil until your future generations have to deal with your greed and fear of the consequences of being alive in this world. And probably the worst cruelty you inflict on them is ignorance of what comes next when the wolves shed their sheep skin and eat them

            I didn't say sleep. I didn't say stop. Hell, I didn't even say you're wrong. I just said you're getting wound up and need to take a second to regain your composure.

            you are the guys that lost your mind and brought kid fucking into this. I'm feeling good and buzzed anon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So because the world is imperfect, we shouldn't strive for perfection anyway? We shouldn't be good to each other and do our best to live a life to be proud of? We should instead be full of scorn, act like animals, steal, kill, rape, etc? All this because the people at the top are rich and hoard wealth and because we don't live in a Star Trek tier post scarcity society? Because you can't have endless amounts of any resource you could ever want you should instead just act mean on the internet?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So because the world is imperfect, we shouldn't strive for perfection anyway?
                what is the purpose of striving for perfection if your actions only result in more suffering for everyone involved. You can try to do well to the people you care about, but beyond that, what are you accomplishing but creating a poison that will eventually result in everyone's familys being slaughtered like the aniamls you said aren't moral actors and don't count? If you truly care about their lives or suffering why do you insist on taking actions to ensalve and destroy them while painting over all of your cognitive dissonance with cope that no, actually, you are striving for an impossible ideal so it's okay if you ruin everything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what is the purpose of striving for perfection if your actions only result in more suffering for everyone involved.
                But they don't. I don't commit crimes against my fellow man, I don't buy products from companies associated with massive human rights violations or animal cruelty or environmental crimes, I don't go around being a dick to people, I just don't do bad stuff whenever it's possible not to. It's not hard dude, just be a good person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but they don't
                they objectively do.
                >I don't commit crimes against my fellow man,
                you have
                > I don't buy products from companies associated with massive human rights violations or animal cruelty or environmental crimes
                you are literally typing on one.
                > I don't go around being a dick to people,
                you are doing so right in this very thread to anyone reading your shitty cope

                >what is the purpose of striving for perfection if your actions only result in more suffering for everyone involved.
                That can be turned around. What's the point of giving up and only looking out for you and yours if it just causes more suffering in the end? You're making an assumption that trying to strive for an ideal in an imperfect world will always make things worse, but why should it? The shining city on a hill is unachievable, but that hardly means the way things are is the best of all possible worlds, nor that we shouldn't attempt to be better than we are.

                >If you truly care about their lives or suffering why do you insist on taking actions to ensalve and destroy them while painting over all of your cognitive dissonance with cope that no, actually, you are striving for an impossible ideal so it's okay if you ruin everything.
                You're the one that said it's acceptable to destroy lives and kill people "because that's the way the world works". If you truly care about the lives and suffering of others why are you advocating for a view that allows for the murder and destruction of other people with the cope that no, actually, this is the natural order so it's ok if everything is shit?

                >What's the point of giving up and only looking out for you and yours if it just causes more suffering in the end?
                There isn't, and I never said it was, it's the understanding of what you are doing and the consiquences of your actions that are important.
                >You're making an assumption that trying to strive for an ideal in an imperfect world will always make things worse
                it literally will. transcending such a scenario is literally impossible, and reportedly only one person has ever done it, and he did it by literally cheating the universe he made supposedly.
                > but that hardly means the way things are is the best of all possible worlds, nor that we shouldn't attempt to be better than we are.
                you attempting to be better than you are is only ever used as an excuse to be worse to people than you really have to be. you cannot moderate your evil when you insist you are not causing it. cannot withhold suffering when you insist on disregarding those you dislike as non moral actors or worth destroying.

                >You're the one that said it's acceptable to destroy lives and kill people "because that's the way the world works". If you truly care about the lives and suffering of others why are you advocating for a view that allows for the murder and destruction of other people with the cope that no, actually, this is the natural order so it's ok if everything is shit?
                Because that is literally happening right now, you people are the cause of it, myself included, but you've convinced yourself that you are not doing it so it's okay. You don't know the meaning of sacrifice, keyboard warrior

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No
                No u
                Nope
                No
                Nuh uh
                No
                Nope
                No way Jose
                No
                No
                No
                No
                Nah
                No

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >waaaa you cant just point out I'm lying to myself
                I can actually.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it literally will.
                How?

                >transcending such a scenario is literally impossible
                Doesn't seem impossible to me. A person wants to make it so people never go hungry, this is likely impossible and they know it, but it inspires them to donate their money to the poor, volunteer at a soup kitchen, and leave the homeless guy a meal or two when they can, all of which make the world a better place.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > A person wants to make it so people never go hungry
                as a result, countless environments are destroyed, the soil is eroded for future generations, unspeakable cruelties are commited against our cattle slaves, and massive massive population explosion hurts the living standards of the population at large. Again, any perception you have that "things are better" is simply your greed stealing that prosperity away from future generations. In the future the consiquence of your actions will be famine and malnourishment, totalitarian control by the most evil people yet concieved, countless criminal enterprises, and a legion of morality simps like you, eager to jump infront of the spear of anyone brave enough to oppose all of your dressed up excesses.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are making a lot of assumptions about how a person would go about approaching the problem of hunger, and what they would consider an acceptable method or solution. You're assuming that their solution would inevitably involve over farming, increased consumption of cattle and feed animals, and a population explosion that cannot be adequately dealt with. Have you considered that a person may want a solution to hunger that is actually sustainable in the long term and phases out animal cruelty and would reject ideas that would lead to the things you describe instead of jumping to the quickest, most poorly thought out solutions?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >u are making a lot of assumptions about how a person would go about approaching the problem of hunger,
                No I am not coper. I am drawing inference from real fucking life. something you are obviously determined to plug your ears and scream until it goes away.

                Oh, it was a joke. Sorry, you're so unhinged I thought you were genuinely making a point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What events are you inferring from? Because you seem to be implying that mistakes, failures, and unforeseen consequences are equivalent to active malevolence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they are equivelant to that, not that there's much cause to believe any of the shit I listed was ever an accident. both you morons are picture perfect proof of moralgayry's repugnance. You engage in the most hedonistic indulgence and vile behaviors, but you are blind to doing so, and you have all manner of excuses and lies to tell yourself it's all okay in the end.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So your argument is because we didn't succeed before we should never try again?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you attempting to be better than you are is only ever used as an excuse to be worse to people than you really have to be
                How? A person wants to be kinder than they are, so they strive to be nicer to others. How are they being worse to others by striving to be kinder?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how are you being "kind" to anyone anon?
                are you giving them a home? someone else could live there
                are you giving them a meal? animals and possibly people died to make it a reality
                are you giving him a fishing pole? how many fish do you really think are left in the sea?
                are you giving him a laptop?
                Just how do you think plastics and metals are obtained?

                what about all the cruelties you inflict on him?
                living your own selfish life free from harm instead of dying in numbers to destroy the edifice of greed you helped construct.
                bringing in hundreds of people like him so he can be last in line so you can feel better about all the people you """helped"""
                taxing those trying to get their lives straight so that you can subject these vagrants to medical experimentation
                or probably worst of all, letting children be their sexual relief and imprisoning anyone who calls out against this behavior as racist and imprisoning them.
                You let organizations drop meth and guns in these poor neighborhoods and sit behind your keyboard safe while it happens. Surely things will be better if you just pretend you did a good deed and now the world is a better place because it's not scary for ~~*you*~~ anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We aren't talking about me anon. I specifically avoided using myself as the subject of this hypothetical. You said trying to better yourself was only ever used as an excuse to be worse to other people. But if a man decides to be kinder and because of that offers nice words to a stranger he would have been mean to before, listens to a friend when he would have otherwise ignored them, apologizes to someone he wronged, and forgives a person instead of holding a grudge, how is he being worse to others?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he is living a life of sloth and easy times where he doesn't have to dirty his hands as I've already said. he allows and participates in evil on the daily. acting nice does not make him less reprehensible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but he was already doing that. Your claim wasn't that he has to be perfect, or even that he has to be good, your claim was that by trying to be kinder he has actively made himself a worse person. He was apparently going to participate in all that stuff regardless of his attempts to be kinder, so how does it make him a worse person for attempting it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok but he was already doing that. Your claim wasn't that he has to be perfect, or even that he has to be good, your claim was that by trying to be kinder he has actively made himself a worse person.
                yes, spending even more of your time engaging in sloth and hedonism makes you progressively worse as you do it. and lying to yourself about it while ignoring it is an additional character flaw that will pervade everything the man does. or more acturately, doesn't.
                >so how does it make him a worse person for attempting it?
                I've already answered this in this post and previously, but as an additional addendum if the man knew he was an evil piece of shit he would be capable of anticipating the consiquences of his actions and how they might directly make the world worse. Chances are, he will find something he decides isn't worth caring about and let it make the sacrifice, weather it's the fish or the environment destruction used to make the computer for example. If he knows nothing or insists that his actions are actually beneficial in the long run, the only thing he's doing is setting up dominoes for even worse tradgedies, ones I've already outlined in this thread multiple times despite you pretending I haven't.

                So your argument is because we didn't succeed before we should never try again?

                see

                I'm saying that life is a game of limited resources, it doesn't matter if you do good if in the process you do as much bad. You can do that anyway, which you should, but it's not "good" as the moralfag understand it. It's simply personal interest. You have a personal interest in skellingtons not taking over the world, and I have a personal interest in not being enslaved by soulless yids running a central banking scheme largely defended by you and your capeshit posse. No matter who comes out on top, someone gets fucked. Even if we sit here and agree not to kill eachother for the greater good, population and resource dwindling will boil until your future generations have to deal with your greed and fear of the consequences of being alive in this world. And probably the worst cruelty you inflict on them is ignorance of what comes next when the wolves shed their sheep skin and eat them
                [...]
                you are the guys that lost your mind and brought kid fucking into this. I'm feeling good and buzzed anon.

                moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit. Somebody sure is having a melty.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Your existence is causing suffering so morality is fake
                If that's your view then human life is pointless, and the best way you can be a good person is killing yourself.
                So best get on that, gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never claimed to be a good person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So either
                a) You recognize there are good people, who are better than you and actually make the world a better place. If that's the case then it follows that people should strive to be like that
                b) You shrug it off by saying good people don't exist, which ultimately equals to moral relativism. In such scenario, people will still strive for survival and morality will rise up again as a need to keep society working, because people want to protect their own interests within a society and while conflicts of interest do appear, almost everyone agrees that people who want to be dicks for the sake of it are not even worth having around.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what is the purpose of striving for perfection if your actions only result in more suffering for everyone involved.
                That can be turned around. What's the point of giving up and only looking out for you and yours if it just causes more suffering in the end? You're making an assumption that trying to strive for an ideal in an imperfect world will always make things worse, but why should it? The shining city on a hill is unachievable, but that hardly means the way things are is the best of all possible worlds, nor that we shouldn't attempt to be better than we are.

                >If you truly care about their lives or suffering why do you insist on taking actions to ensalve and destroy them while painting over all of your cognitive dissonance with cope that no, actually, you are striving for an impossible ideal so it's okay if you ruin everything.
                You're the one that said it's acceptable to destroy lives and kill people "because that's the way the world works". If you truly care about the lives and suffering of others why are you advocating for a view that allows for the murder and destruction of other people with the cope that no, actually, this is the natural order so it's ok if everything is shit?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because your striving for perfection hurts more people than it helps, you short-sighted dolt.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You
              Look, I know you're paranoid, but not everyone else is conspiring against you. I'm a bystander enjoying the show and just want the argument to be coherent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then make a coherent argument in return to my cogent ones.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, if two men are having a shootout, do you criticize the aim of the bystander?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if two men are having a shoot out, do you criticize the aim of the shooters?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Makes more sense than criticizing an uninvolved party for not hitting the target.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your analogy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was my analogy, yes. Shame I had to spell it out to you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't get it.
                you're dead jim.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I genuinely don't. Please enlighten me on what point you think you've made.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he wants me to literally explain the joke
                sigh
                you're lucky I'm autistic enough to do it.
                so you made this an analogy of a shoot out.
                anyone dumb enough to walk up to two people shooting at eachother and criticize their am would get shot.
                so I posted a picture of a famous guy about to shoot another guy, then when you kept going I shot you with the next reaction image.
                TL:DR your entire analogy is retarded and only serves as an excuse to get killed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, it was a joke. Sorry, you're so unhinged I thought you were genuinely making a point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will have to work 60 years to make what some boomer shit could make in 10. and I am still unbelievably lucky, while you protect a legion of monster wannabes under the guise of pearl cluching retardation.
      >Let me fuck kids and kill people because the world is already a shithole!
      Nice strawman, but heres a fact
      >you cant kill people, these kidfuckers and child eaters are innocent!
      t. you.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    See buddhism or eastern religion in general.
    The material world is flawed and inherently sinful, and to attempt to hold onto it permanently will just further taint your soul.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because God on high demands that only he live forever, and as Jehova is perfect and Good by definition, anything he says must be true. Ergo, to live forever is sinful as he has stated humans must not live forever except in his very narrow "You actually die, but its not really you dieing, okay?" example.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    are we talking about Jack here? Because Jack's not evil for trying to become immortal.

    Jack's evil for being a giant sack of dicks possessed by the demonic spirit of Jackassery in general..

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The BBEG is going to use the secret of immortality to make every woman never age past 12 and make every woman over 12 to revert back to 12 years old. That is like super gross am I right guys?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      actually yes. 20 something is peak girlhood.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Question for Nihilism anon, have things generally gotten better or worse, globally, in the past 1,000 years?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for who? for how many?
      what about all the people who died so you could have a more hedonistic access to resources
      what about the people who will die coming after with little to no future access to them?
      you really think I can balance that check book? What is obvious are both what was destroyed and what is being destroyed or consumed faster than we can replace it. Even if you could measure everything and say "okay, things are actually better on average" what would that really mean if it's only that some people are much much much much more happy than most people are much more sad? What would saying >we did it reddit
      really accomplish if it means denying all your future offspring their own share except for the select chosen few?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No answer huh? Do you actually have any coherent ideas or beliefs or are you just a ball of impotent rage, lashing out at everything for its own sake?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >clearly answers your question
          >n-no answer huh?
          so you didn't really want me to give you an honest answer, you just wanted to feel good about it not being the one you didn't want to hear.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't answer, you implied the question was unanswerable here:
            >Even if you could measure everything and say "okay, things are actually better on average" what would that really mean if it's only that some people are much much much much more happy than most people are much more sad?
            >Even if you could measure everything

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes I did tell you I can't answer it satan. thats called honesty. novel concept for you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You didn't answer
                >Y-Yes I did
                >No, you said you couldn't
                >Yeah, saying I can't answer is totally an answer.
                Your cope is as pathetic as your worldview.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                satan this isn't an exam. You asked me a question and I answered it to the best of my ability honestly. you can cry and cope all you want.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Consider this, you spent hours of your life and dozens of posts decrying the evils of the modern world, and yet when asked to compare the world to a time without them you can't even answer.
                This is why I call your worldview pathetic and hollow.

                It's obvious nihilistfag isn't really arguing in good faith and it's likely OP trolling to keep his thread alive.

                The saddest thing is I think he might be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your world view is pathetic and hollow
                >wh-why? because! you haven't dedicated all of your life to memorizing every single factor, danger, and emerging situation and historical fact that underlines the fabric of human society!!!! You have to quantify EVERYTHING OR YOU LOSE MY ARGUEMENT ON A SHITPOSTING FORUM!
                It's supremely ironic that you self satisfied moralmorons peddle this shit because I spend way more of my time than is probably healthy or wise for myself understanding this shit. Way more so than you, and the only benefit this wisdom has when freely offered like you claim a good Samaritan should, is to be freely discarded for not being mathematically solved as merely an excuse so you can avoid your cognitive dissonance and go right back to fapping and feeling good about yourself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Calm down OP no need to be such a gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I spend a lot of time smelling my own intelectual farts just to defend an idea that is inherently unfalsifiable and relies on everyone accepting that things can't get better ever and you can't appreciate that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >b) You shrug it off by saying good people don't exist, which ultimately equals to moral relativism. In such scenario, people will still strive for survival and morality will rise up again as a need to keep society working, because people want to protect their own interests within a society
                Yes

                and while conflicts of interest do appear, almost everyone agrees that people who want to be dicks for the sake of it are not even worth having around.
                Hahaha, no, not at all, usually you people prop them up as examples of the most moral people around. they become the richest most elite people and you fall on your hands and knees to be given their table scraps.

                >asks an unfalsifiable question
                >rejects the answer for not being falsifiable
                (you)

                Calm down OP no need to be such a gay

                Consider this, you spent hours of your life and dozens of posts decrying the evils of the modern world, and yet when asked to compare the world to a time without them you can't even answer.
                This is why I call your worldview pathetic and hollow.

                [...]
                The saddest thing is I think he might be.

                It's obvious nihilistfag isn't really arguing in good faith and it's likely OP trolling to keep his thread alive.

                yes yes we all heard your latest copium for why you absolutely cant be wrong about something on the internet.

                For now though, I think I am satisfied. I won, it's very clear from anyone with sense. Not because I was destined to be right, but because you insisted to making no arguments, bad faith arguments, or adhominems, while my posts where always squarely set on the topic, and had even gone out of my way to be congenial to outrageous bad faith questions and requests.

                If you want to close your eyes to the horrors around you that I and others outlined, that's your choice. I pray you don't inflict this dementia on any of your offspring. ideally, you'll never have any.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Too long didn't read, but it's clear plato is right about virtueless people being slaves that allow their nations to transform into tyrannies
                >if things can't get better I'll make them worse
                >if i'm shit at money making, I'll just steal
                Your nihilism is a cope that you have no virtues and have no desire for self improvement, you have to attempt to make everyone else around you look worse by projecting your shit onto everyone else
                Reminder that there was a time where people could walk from Paris to Rome without getting attacked or robbed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Say you're good faith
                >Get told I'm coping

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >usually you people prop them up as examples of the most moral people around. they become the richest most elite people and you fall on your hands and knees to be given their table scraps.
                99% of these people are all successful businessmen that are also dishonest assholes. Being a dishonest asshole and having zero talent won't get you into the 1% no matter how hard you try

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not mathematically solving
                Anon, I asked what you thought. I wanted a gut check, not a mathematical proofs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you literally trying to compare modern society/civilization to the fucking middle ages?

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>UHHH ITS TOTALLY EVIL THOUGH BECAUSE....
    Motivation is not evil
    Method is evil
    BBEG wants to become a lich to live forever. Turns out the ritual requires killing two innocent people at the exact same time. Turns out this is very difficult to pull off due to timing, and this is the fifth time he is attempting it. Turns out one of the people in his ritual is a party member's little sister.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Motivation can be evil.
      Pure sadism is evil

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's obvious nihilistfag isn't really arguing in good faith and it's likely OP trolling to keep his thread alive.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT plato was right once again

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >going against the natural order

    Absolutely evil. Time to die fucko!

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's divine propaganda. They're cosmic parasites that consume souls to survive and view denying their dinner as a sin beyond all others.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in my homebrew setting the prime realm is basically a training ground/nursery for a cosmic scale war.
    when you die your soul/experiences and skills are transferred into a god-like form, and drafted into a war to keep the cosmic horrors away from the prime realm nursery, so the gods/daycare workers of the realm want people to live long enough to grow strong and knowledgeable for the fight, but they still want them to eventually die so they can move on to the next phase of their lifecycle and help with the war.
    so by choosing to be immortal this dude is basically deciding to be a manchild staying in the kiddy pool forever, consuming mass amounts of resources as their power expands, but not helping with the literal impending death of all things.
    the gods don't like that, so they funnel a little more power towards the PC's as champions, granting them the advantage of 'meta knowledge', so they can learn things like the rules of the realm, which enables them to defeat the BBEG, forcing him out of his parents basement and into the great war.
    this is also why a lot of younger adventurers survive fatal events, they aren't ready for the war, but show enough promise to be worth investing more power into, so they get returned to the realm, at the cost of a few hundred underdeveloping souls, their hometown for example.
    death carries a scythe because he is harvesting a crop.

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