>Being a cute and sexy high priestess that buffs any heals everyone.
I want to go back. T_T
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It's over, but you still have the memories anon.
I'll just drop the rest of this illustration gallery thing here.
Some are still trucking along, but those are the shittier ones in my opinion depends on your preferences though
OriginsRO is still under maintenance after the lawsuit scare and oathRO imploded due to admin going absolutely mental.
Yeah, you can't make a proper MMO in the current environment, possibly never again. The wild west is over, be glad that you had all those virtual worlds to explore while they lasted - Other generations aren't so lucky.
>random blackface in bottom pic
I'm at image 9 out of 29 btw, this may take a while..
Crusader, Monk and Esma Soul Linker were my favorites, for different reasons. Grand Cross was just a dumb giant duck nuke and Combo Monk felt more engaging relative to other melee classes. Esma Soul Linker was just a great bolter with auto-heal that shredded everything. Ghost element pretty much ensured I always got MvP on that one Rachel boss.
Gunslinger without jacket is..
>captcha: PRRRT
Aside from falling into modern korean MMO trappings, they forgot about the most important thing that made RO great: The monsters. They were just cardboard cutout gifs shuffling towards you, but by tweaking dmg, speed, 1-2 skills and defenses they made a huge gallery of unique memorable creatures who often had very iconic drops that followed no linear level progression.
Lot's of chibis on this page, the next has more lore again.
That's the unintentional genius of it, and it only worked during that novel internet time
described,
Kek, really looks like it.
I still can't decide which homunculus is the coolest design. Shit-fly comes pretty close but I also like birds.
By the way, I really appreciate this dumb.
No problem man.
bottom left pic has a very um.. interesting sense of scale.
Don't bother, pservers can give you a quick character building and gearing fix, but the social aspect is not coming back the way it was. Your server can close anytime for arbitrary reasons, like the admin having a falling out with the WoE clique, cheating in items to deliberately incriminate himself so he can give the server away, then going full scorched earth anyways this is how oathRO died
Aaand that's the last page. I wonder what some of these artists are up to nowadays.. like Taruk, his style was cute.
>That Monk in the back grooming an aco who is almost certainly 15 IRL
Hmm based
I think the MVP designs are a big highlight of RO. It's what made me play a private server for some time. The dungeons and cities are also great.
I want to impregnate the pope
she grew up
That's just homunculus Freyja. Don't scare me like that.
Did we finally clap Freyja's cheeks?
Frick, man. I still remember the first time playing battle Sage after months of being a support
>wait, auto cast only lets you get lvl3 bolts at a higher chance?
>I can consume the ASPD potion?
>how fast can I go?
>188 ASPD
Groovy. Sure, you lost some great skills from the support tree, but nothing as satisfying as being underestimated and just Magic Rod Waterballs like a champ.
Frick I forgot about magic rod, what a fun spell. Waterball giving SP back with every hit was a meme. Freecast was so neat, being able to hardcast a bolt while still smacking shit with a book to proc instants
>homunculus Freyja
wait what
Boss fake Freyja created from embryo. Not actually related to Alchemists.
>spoiler
REKENBEEEEEEEEEER!
Here's some autists lore dump if anyone is interested.
as much as I liked the vagenuess of RO story, it pissed me off all the same cause the game has lots of interesting enemies
God that Wanderer on the bottom left is so fricking sexy.
So all of gay J's servers are self destructing?
At least there's a silver lining in all of this
This its time to let go
No
thanks for those mate, are those your scans or do you have some sauce?
I have none because I never played Ragnarok.
My old mmo memories rests with Mu Online
Are there any private servers still alive?
There are official servers that are still alive.
The official servers are fricked. There are guilds full with people with maxed out zeny, god gear and MVP cards.
>There are guilds full with people with maxed out zeny, god gear and MVP cards.
A pinoy stabbed another pinoy for a GTB, let that sink in.
And none of them are good.
they went pay to win unfortunately
lets be real, that was their plan all along, even with the kafra system garbo
Probably wasn't Gravity's original intention but that's Gungho's modus operandi so of course the game warped after they took over.
i think the game was made before they figured out the free to play model but gravity is a soulless shitty korean company, no doubt they would've build the game from the ground up for it if the model was around back then
Found this one called Payon Stories the other day but it's fricking 1x
>Bot Tales
Played for a week and almost everyone I've walked passed were bots.
I'm definitely up for it, but you'll have to have a high tolerance for shitposters since we do MULTIPLE schizophrenics who would flock into RO threads to sperg out on the tiniest detail for attention or validation, scaring any and all newcomers.
also please make homun autocast
Weren't you too busy with school?
Who needs studying when you can play RO
That is a different server.
It certainly doesn't help that the first word is the same and the second words are synonymous, but they are still different servers.
got a link anon? google isn't helping since it kept redirecting me to payon maps
just google payon stories, it should be there.
Does this at least have autoloot?
Last server I was in was mid rate but didn't have autoloot and it got canned by a DMCA
I think TalonRO and NovaRO are still going.
TalonRO has shut down permanently. Big G got them.
You know what REALLY pissed me off? The fact that Gravity obviously still knows how much love there is for the franchise (otherwise they wouldn't release P2W chink apps by the boatload) but doesn't want to invest in a proper new MMO.
That being said, any new version of RO would be monetized to hell and back and be DOA anyways. Frick this gay earth.
They tried doing a proper new mmo but kept making WoW clones, and then you got RO2 or Tree of Savior coming out as a mess. I even played one of the betas for this even though it never released.
Gate to the World was great and exactly what 3D RO should have been. 10/10 OST, too.
RO2 was a fricking abomination and the people responsible for pushing it should be skinned alive and be thrown into burning salt.
I don't even know why they canned gate of the world
>I don't even know why they canned gate of the world
Game had critical and seemingly unfixable network infrastructure problems. There were 3 betas and 1 long open beta and they could never fix the lag or disconnects. There is reason to suspect it was sabotage, because the development of GotW was fraught with mismanagement. The team who made GotW immediately went on to maker their own (failed) MMO called Lime Odyssey as soon as they left GotW. This is just my opinion but I think it's likely they fricked the game over on purpose because of Gravity's shitty treatment of them.
>Gate to the World was great
It was a mixed bag. I played it from the very first Closed Beta up until cancellation.
Pros about Gate of the World:
>Most faithful and best looking transition of the RO art style to 3D.
Absolutely no one else has come even remotely close to pulling off the Ragnarok Online look in 3D as Gate of the World did.
>Immersive world
The world design was very detailed and expansive. In most F2P MMOs the world is a complete afterthought. GotW was filled with memorable locations and landmarks just like RO.
>God tier OST
They got fricking Yoko Kanno to score the game. To this day I still can't believe it. Amazing move.
Cons about Gate of the World:
>Unfinished combat mechanics
While the auto-attack combat did have that RO feel to it, the skill system was woefully unfinished and just not very well designed/thought out. It felt very bad to use skills in the game. The skills were all super janky and weak. Most of the time it was better to just auto attack everything to death.
>Removal of many beloved systems
Card system was gone. Loot system was gone, instead you just leveled and evolved the same weapon for the entire game. Job branching was gone. PvP/WoE was gone.
>Game had critical infrastructure flaws
There was intense and nonstop lag throughout ALL the betas as well as constant disconnect problems. To the point that it made me think it was deliberate sabotage by the GotW team due to their unhappy working conditions at Gravity. I have never seen a game lag and be unstable that much before or since.
The game had immense potential that was sadly never realized.
>best looking transition of the RO art style to 3D
That's Legend of the Second.
>b-but WoW clone
Irrelevant to the art design.
Gate lives
https://ymirheim.org/
>acquire proper ro2 client
>get patcher
>sign up
they kept trying to reinvent the wheel when they already had a solid foundation. Just update the art and tweak the combat balance and it's already a recipe for success
They can't help but monetize like maniacs though, even if they did just re-make RO as we know if with some update environments it'd be turned into insane gacha shit.
Tree of Savior was such massive disapointment. the artstyle was perfect but evrything else was pants-head-moronic, the leveling mechanics, class syste, loot, etc, soo fricking stupid.
They could just have made it in a better engine. Desync every 2 mins is too much, the game is still great but bugs together with low amount of content ruined it
Came here to say this. Based anon.
Thanks for all the memories thoguh, RO.
One of the most soulful MMOs I've ever played.
Life is suffering
So, what was your favorite class? I loved to go rogue/stalker and combine double strike and triple attack. It wasn't the best build, but it was so fricking comfy to click something and see numbers explode all across the screen.
Knight, Battle Book Sage, Support Sage, Combo Monk and Star Gladiator
Frick I love Sage. Slapping b***hes with a book or tanking up as support and using mag earth and safety wall and frost driver and stone curse for crowd control. You couldn't make a class like that in a modern MMO.
Whitesmith in WoE. Nobody expects the equipment break, and CT was so busted you would bypass shit like Guard, using Ghostring you were the bane of every sac paladin. Absolutely loved it
It's so sad that Tree of Savior didn't deliver the same experience even if they had the same team.
I never tried that one. Where did it fall short?
It's just bad in general, it's too quest driven.
That's great, everyone should be girls with big breasts.
>That's great, everyone should be girls with big breasts.
over my dead bo- AaAAH wtf is goign on
it got the art style and class variety right, even had soundtemp composing some of the music. alpha and beta looked promising as in you could farm for exp instead of just questing, and on release they even had some world bosses and potentially interesting itemization. but very soon they went full theme park with questing being pretty much the only option for leveling, instanced dungeons, dungeon finder, fricked up the class system, fricked up itemization which eventually became your usual gacha shit. last I check a year or two ago they were handing instant max level scrolls and gear boxes for new and returning players effectively removing 95% of the content. I would still recommend you try it once, just go on your own pace and enjoy the beautiful art style and music tl;dr lost potential: the game
I also heard they don't honor founders packs anymore. So if you paid money for it at launch, it means frick-all and your currently is gone/replaced with a new currency that doesn't count.
Imagine RO but if you added a bunch of things that made it like the rigid wow-clones people went to RO to escape. Along with that, a personal nitpick was that the class path was a cool idea but they fricked it up. It worked similar to RO but depending on which ones you pick every couple of levels you'd get new moves or passives. The problem was that the mage class had one where you pick the basic one twice and you're just rewarded with a passive DOUBLE to your damage so why the frick wouldn't you do that one? But you ended up playing a bland set of skills for a frickton of the time and it made the "huge variety" instantly feel like a lie.
You can tell the team tried to make a good game, they were hamstrung by corporate execs demanding more monetization and streamlining. No other explanation for why the game seemed so polished before Open Beta before suddenly taking a turn off a cliff.
Was the open beta really that different?
I wish that they, somehow, bought the Ragnarok assets again, bring the Manwa artist back to the team and remade the game.
The game really needs an overhaul, I tried it last year and it's all clunky, the maps don't really look good and so on. They could optimize a lot to make a seamless experience.
Also, the game went for too long limited to humans, they really should've let you be an orc, an elf and so on. They did add the cat race, but it's too late now. They really need to overhaul the whole thing and bring the missing stuff back, like the apartments, that were removed because of the hack and so on.
>Was the open beta really that different?
It was the start of the themepark bullshit. All overworld mobs had their XP nerfed. All parties had penalties applied to even the slightest level difference (Your friend is level 24 and you're 25? Tough shit, he's making a quarter of the XP you make on every kill in your party). The spawn rates were gimped as well, except for mobs specifically related to questlines.
idk if anyone remembers but this broke the leveling chain all the way to 80 because many of the quests weren't done yet. There was a period between 45-50 where no easy quest chain existed, and if you didn't save your XP scrolls-you were killing mobs. There was a specific bee enemy in a ruin whose name I forgot that was the perfect mob for making that 5 level gap, but you had to grind it for DAYS because of the nerf when pre-patch, the same grind would take 3-4 hours.
I would really not want them re-making ragnarok, not because I don't want a new one but because it was clear from how they handled their Betas and launch (The founders pack fiasco and cash shop is another rant on its own) was proof that they were run by the worst kind of Gacha money prostitutes. Even if it was the old team, the old guard had the final say and they said "Frick the players for everything they are worth"
The game was an absolute disaster performance-wise on OBT and in launch, too. If anyone remembers NFA, /vg/'s usual mmo clan, they had multiple attempts at a guild war shut down by the fact the game couldn't take more than 30 people on-screen at once without massive crashes AND 90 players in a single instance meant the death of the WHOLE SERVER. This was the death knell to a lot of OBT clans because they joined specifically for RO style PVPing which was impossible.
>the cash shop
christ.
Founders packs gifted $60 of in-game currency. One 'spring dress' was $30. It was the only cash shop item for a long time. Top goddamn kek more israeli than anything Gravity or Nexon ever pulled.
IIRC It was $20
and there were other items too on launch. They were free in the shop in OBT
they were also $20
Combat Arms was pretty nuts for Nexon tho lol.
Remember when it had guns sold out it's ass for $$, and Nexon even made their own videos with actors making fun of their game having hackers.
They were like CS go but without steam.
And if Gabe Newell spent his knife collection money on saying he doesn't care about the business.
That's so sad, the game had so much potential. Maybe it'll better with the Smartphone release.
>Maybe it'll better with the Smartphone release.
Let me dream anon.
It's so sad, I guess there's no saving this game anymore without a major revamp and a rebranding. The assets are great though, it can be saved, at least visually.
The graphics were probably the one thing that made me play it for as long as I did. Absolutely unparalleled.
I'm pretty sure that the main artist was the woman that made the sprites on the original RO. But the guy who used to write Ragnarok was much better at monster design, since he was the lead artist of the game, if I recall correctly.
Yeah the graphics were great. I tried ToS only once and it was rather late into it, but it was basically unplayable, 100% singleplayer rush-to-next-objective. You don't stay in a zone long enough to remember its name all the way to over triple digit levels. I didn't see what the frick the point of the game even was.
Also, I just remembered, the game stuttered a lot. And it can't possibly be a hardware issue, at the time I was playing with an i7 gen 4 and a GTX970.
If it was lagging/stuttering that bad to me, just image with other people?
I went to play again recently and my character started at level 200 or somthing. It's like it's just a streamlined adventure, instead a social experience that Ragnarok was.
The performance problems were abysmal. Pre OBT it was forgiven because it's a beta, of course it would suck, then it didn't improve, more people kept playing, and the quest line bullshit meant EVERYBODY was always in specific parts of the map at any one time. In CBT, at the very least when shit started to get laggy, you could just pick up and go someplace else and grind mobs for a bit, check back in later to see if things cleared up. It was equivalent in leveling speed.
icb2 was fun. But the linearity killed the game.
Bad network and code optimization which creates unnecessary lag. Also it didn't help that the game is very linear and bosses are dumb as frick so they are forced to give them ridiculous HP instead of actually having decent mechanics. It's shame really because if the coding was decent it would have been passable.
It was a mixture of old school design and new ideas that had its own identity. It was legit a fun game and one of the best MMOs of all time, during closed betas.
But it had chronic problems that were very difficult to fix. 9+ years of dev time before it was first playable, old engine, the single most unoptimized game I ever played, no client security whatsover, everything tied together with LUA code.
Eventually it went the way of every Korean game, pandering to whales. They went from more players than they could possibly host to not enough to sustain a single healthy server in just a few months. They outright patched out world PvP/PK without warning. Everything became one click, convenient and auto-queue.
And once the population started to dwindle, that's when everything went to shit. You started to see things like Level Boosts, unlimited resets, instant dungeon clear vouchers, that sort of things. Everything was geared towards getting new people to the cap as soon as possible so they can join the themepark rides.
Honestly my biggest issue is I felt like it was a mobile gacha game with all the screen icons, pop ups for cash shop and dailies, UI clutter, etc.
I just wanted to ride a snowball.
That's being harsh, there was nothing wrong with Tree of Savior's interface. It was infinitely more complex than something like Ragnarok Online but that comes from being a modern game.
>I just wanted to ride a snowball.
I could write entire paragraphs about the issues with ToS but I feel that the worst one is the fact that they created a really complex and in-depth class and skill system that has a lot of possibilities to be explored, but none of the content is hard, difficult or challenging enough to require it. And with every patch they made it easier and easier.
iCBT2 ToS was a well balanced game. Not hard like Ragnarok, just balanced. It was the game when it was at its best.
Check RoDoddler on Twitter, he's trying to make a Unity port of the Ragnarok Online client.
>RODoddler
I have expectations.
https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1609218295680634881
https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1608380806652887040
https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1605268903810457600
https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1604897659088941057
https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1604873981617930241
>https://twitter.com/RoDoddler/status/1609218295680634881
That's great. Let's hope for WW3 and an atom bomb to drop on top of gravity's headquarters so he can continue developing this without being taken down.
>A team of Ukrainians got hold of the beta version of the original RO2 and restored all the content and remastered everything.
>Sever was just about to go into public beta.
>War started.
>Project put on hold indefinitely.
As someone that played the beta it wasn't a very good game.
Ragnarok was really lightning in a bottle. Nothing will ever replicate it.
>Good artstyle
>Incomprehensible quests with bad localization
>Semi-broken PVP elements
>Semi-broken balance making places either really fun or absolute nightmares that become really fun once worked around
>Absolutely godlike soundtrack and sound design
>Simple mechanics with just enough depth
>came out at the perfect time where internet communication was still novel enough for people to log in all day just to chat
>for some reason attracted a huge amount of emo girls
>nobody ever talked about politics
Fricking hell the emo girls. People I knew actually got IRL married through RO and are still together today. If I could only go back, knowing what I know today.
I met with a 16 y/o girl from Spain that I met on euphRO. We fricked like rabbits for one 4 day weekend. Happiest days of my life.
>euphRO
damn, used to play there with my ex for a few years. pic related, goofing around in poring island with dead branches with her, I think the server went offline not long after. I want to go back
met my first and only gf on that exact server. I was 15 at the time and had no way of meeting up with her irl but man those were good times indeed
>tfw get an 8 year old """"""GF""""""" when i was 12 years old while playing RO
> horny teenager phase. ERP in payon rooms
>ghost her because i got tired being horny and schoolwork was fricking me in the ass
>never found out if she was actually a girl or just a catfish
>meet her years later after the ghosting and she stopped talking to me
MFW
also looking back i think my gf was a catfish. Because theres just no fricking way that was an 8 YO playing that shit and having high end gears.
I was definitely getting baited by some guy
>euph
I think earlier this month they brought the game back up for a weekend and created a discord for old players. I only know this because I received an email myself from the old admins.
https://euphro-museum.com/
I played RO a bit back in the day , but not as much as some so its not a main MMO in my history. However, I played EQ and even WoW and there as a lot of the same - people were still operating on "no girls are gonna game, especially on a MMO" but the genre it had one of the most sex-balanced playerbases around. Some were there to basically play paperdoll dress up, but there was also the socialization element and they raiding and whatnot. I met one of the best long term girlfriends I ever found thanks to MMOs. One of my first major EverQuest guilds was run by a husband and wife both in character and out - I still remember their character names.
Ironically a lot of people thought that hard/tedious/grindy = good, but really that wasn't the case and a lot of devs following it made abortions like wildstar where the intention to be hardcore fricked everything up. Rather a lot of these early games were great IN SPITE of their tedious elements. EverQuest for instance was basically non-instanced camping NPCs for hours at a time that only worked in a group , but what made it great wasn't that, it was its faction system (every NPC belonged to one or more NPCs), rather in depth quests where youd have to "Hail" a NPC and talk to them with keywords to find out waht they wanted to do (no quest log or anything until later builds of the game , an there was AMAZING world design given the tech. Dungeons had secret rooms and false halls. The "evil classes" had their trainers in the sewers under the human cities. Zones had massive variation in the content viability (ie you could easily run into something that would destroy you even if a lot of the zone was within your level. There was even a forest that wasa newbie garden during the day with bees and rats , but at night it spawned MAX LEVEL SKELETONS! You COULD possibly survive if you stayed on the path and were lucky) and lots more.
> were great IN SPITE of their tedious elements
It's a little more complicated than that. MMOs worked because they were a socialization platform with a game attached, and the game was serious enough that real dedication was required to keep up with others. However, you can't just socialize out of nothing, and tedium is one way to encourage socialization. This is the problem with modern MMOs (or, massively singleplayer online games, MSOs): they became so easy and """convenient""" that any interaction is a pain rather than a solution to a problem (boredome, slow grind, requirement to party for a boss, etc.). Don't get me wrong: it's the WRONG way to do it, but the point is, it works. "in spite of" the tedious elements, therefore, isn't quite accurate.
Oh god this
Party finders killed socialization in MMOs, even going up and talking to someone makes them think you're trying to scam them because of how rare it is for someone to seriously try to talk to someone outside their social circle.
I think its perfectly possible to facilitate socialization (assuming users are willing to engage) without relying on grind, tedium and the like. Socializing because the game is so mind numbingly boring without it isn't good for design or community, and a lot of forced tedium lead to low quality socialization interactions. Like I say to the other anon, sitting in a group finder yelling "LF3M for Dungeon X" isn't a high quality interaction. Now this doesn't mean that having some downtime or things that are time consuming in service of another part of the game's design, not simply tedium or grind, is necessarily bad. Aside from that players who want to socialize will do so - some make the game into JUST that and sit in cities and places with high densities of people to talk etc.
I think a lot of problem is a new generation of players who don't approach these as virtual worlds to some degree and instead are just looking to optimize everything to the n'th degree; a problem that is compounded when devs make the game tedious/grindy to the point you're just logging in to grind daily quests because every day you don't means another day added to the 2 months of constant daily-ing to get one reputation to max . Really good design works around tedium/grind/other garbage and gives options for socialization but players need to take it and meaningfully engage.
Can we please stop with the "party finder killed MMO" stuff? The ability to queue and find others who want to do the same thing without sitting and yelling "LFM 4 Dungeon" for half an hour didn't ruin socializing. That wasn't a high-quality social engagement. People being shitty ruined socialization and community feeling - there's a huge difference between playing on RP servers where users choose to talk to random people, general/area chat etc..and the like.
Party finder made it too easy, before you needed at least to talk to people before making a party.
But did you really? The vast, vast majority of the time it as "LF2M need healer and DPS for thing" "I'm a DPS, invite" and similar. It wasn't like you had to have deep conversations. People will always remember the relatively rare times when people made friends / significant others, guild members etc.. but all the other times when its basically "Invite, Hi." "INSERT_TACTICAL_DISCUSSION_IF_NEEDED" "Thanks!" and little more because people just wanted to finish the dungeon, PVP match, raid or whatnot. Having to sit around spamming "looking for X for Z" from a city and hoping others see it (and both you and they need to be in those zones where the LFG channel were accessible, in many cases or in games without one it gravitated toward high densities of players like cities. So you couldn't just do other stuff in the meantime) wasn't really pushing people to actually talk to each other besides the bare minimum to form a party - at the cost of a lot of delay.
>But did you really?
yes
Depending on how party finder is implemented it sometimes doesn't even bother about class combinations or any sort of gear requirement. Level or having cleared the pre-quest is everything you might need. It doesn't help then as well when the content you're aiming for requires then certain knowledge and isn't 100% fool proofed. This shit can happen by forming parties as well but it's much less likely.
Bad implementation always sucks. I've rarely seen one that's so bad that it doesn't balance roles or whatnot. As far as certain knowledge or execution levels, I think that's why most party finders also have some sort of custom setting where you can put a "I'm going for this rare achievement or harder mode raid boss that takes a certain tactic" party together or just for any sort of custom content. However, for the vast majority of content the default "I want to do X, put together a role balanced party who fit some very loose metrics for levels/gear/progress etc" works quite well. While I don't think its necessary to do away with the auto-building-standard version, even a game that only had a manual-invite party finding utility (where users could advertise what they want to do and others could browse and apply) would be better than having NO utility at all where you were forced to just shout your preference in a populated city zone until you got enough people who heard and met your qualifications. All the options can coexist, if well built.
I think that shows that most people who were still playing Ragnarok at the time it was added were used to getting along without it in the context of that particular game; it is far from universal no more than people playing Lineage 2 means that players overall prefer grindy, loss-focused PVP. However there have been many other games, newer and older that have added them and the userbase overall continues to prefer the option of their presence.
>I've rarely seen one that's so bad that it doesn't balance roles or whatnot
The dungeon queue in Tree of Savior did this. It just slapped the five first people into a team regardless of anything. I mean it caused people to form groups the classic way if you could fail the content or the queue was dead cause lmao players?
The fact that ragnarok actually added a party finder function that let people request to join parties without any need to hold a chatroom up to make it 'easier'
Then the fact people almost NEVER used it shows that people don't prefer party finders.
Those 'easy' 'dialogues' are ice breakers. You need ice breakers to generate meaningful conversations.
>I think its perfectly possible to facilitate socialization (assuming users are willing to engage) without relying on grind, tedium and the like.
I absolutely agree, this is why I said this was the "wrong way" to do it.
However, no game has ever been able to suggest the "right" way to do it. Either they're singleplayer games with attached chatboxes a la PoE, or they're MMOs a la ragnarok or tricksters where you "need" tedium (or, alternatively, they're ss13, but that's its own thing).
Nothing else fosters socialization.
>I think a lot of problem is a new generation of players who don't approach these as virtual worlds to some degree and instead are just looking to optimize everything to the n'th degree
I also considered this hypothesis, but in what, 2013? Or earlier? Wakfu became free to play on the flip servers and along with Ganker, I gave it a spin. The playerbase was exactly like I remembered earlier MMO payerbases to be, despite players being pretty young on average. Other people who have tried similar newer "real MMOs" have had similar experiences. In conclusion, the problem truly is the game's design, not the userbase.
>The right way
I think there are plenty of MMOs that don't need tedium to facilitate socialization options. There's a more delicate balance of well...options and features and then its up to the players to do the rest. There are always some players who are going to be more interested in the social dynamics , lore/story/roleplay etc.. and others who scored nearly entirely on the Bartle test's achiever section who just want to kill the big bad and do the minimal amount of talking to others to do that. That isn't necessarily a problem, but I don't think the game needs to add grindy or tedious elements to try and "make" people interact in certain ways, when it doesn't serve in and of itself The best thing I've seen is designing the game world and giving stuff to facilitate but not attempting to force socialization. Emotes, "roleplaying" stuff like (not paid for goddamn it, but actually earned in game or crafted by player) cosmetics, housing etc.. are all some elements that lean towards this for instance, letting players who are interested in socializing expand it into the gameworld; providing a good toolbox like this as well as overall solid game design seems to be the best road I've seen.
>2013
That may be a little late actually, but I think the reason you saw the userbase was a sub-group of those who were playing an older-style game of its type. I think gametype can certainly impact things, but I do think that especially given the post WoW rise of MMOs being "the in thing" in the 2010s and the changeover that happened meant a lot of users looked at things far more differently then older days when looking at it as a virtual world meant seeking and interacting with others regardless of "necessity" but simply because it was a novel game experience.
>party finder killed MMO
i made a lot of long term in game friends thru LF2M. Good people actually teach another people on how to do raid or dungeon. Party Finder actually killed the social parts.
>Can we please stop with the "party finder killed MMO" stuff?
Why would we stop saying the truth?
I knew a hot emo girl back in the day on the private server I played on but thanks to being a moron I messed it up big times. I later helped nuking the server abusing dube glitches with some elitists pvp homosexuals but whatever.
You could cheese any enemy using a gun walking backwards in circles. They would never be able to reach you with their attack. Dungeons were a fricking mess being totally overspawned and enemies seeing/walking through walls. The only way to get through them was thanks to buggy spaces where they couldn't reach you. I also still hate the last area being filled with mutants and robots - wtf where they thinking? The 2h loading times I also don't miss.
Some people claimed that the rendering and the netcode where tied to each other. This works in korea with 2-5ms server ping but not international. The second you had a few players on the map the fps dropped regardless of hardware. World bosses are an unplayable power point presentation.
I still have no clue why the frick there were SO MANY EMO GIRLS on mmos and online vidya from 2000-2010. I remember playing the phantasy star universe demo on xbox and it was filled to the brim with emo girls just like maplestory and gaia were. They were all replaced with NPC ethots that aren't nearly as interesting. Frick I miss it, I want to go back.
>Absolutely godlike soundtrack and sound design
>one of the core ingredients that made RO great
>exploring aesthetically pleasing maps while listening to nice music
i want a love letter/video essay series exhaustively breaking down everything that went right for this game, if only to free me of this nostalgia demon and the captivating mystery of a paradise i can never return to yet never forget
Even of Gravity relaunched the original game, it would never be the same again... I'm old now... You won't get to experience starting a new character and wandering around random maps and meeting random people just wandering around and the you team up for a bit to kill orc zombies and become bros.
The cool thing about RO was that is was so fricking hard that it tricked you into making friends.
I just liked when there were so many people playing it that you'd just randomly come across people here and there even on fairly obscure maps. It gave a lot of life to the game world.
still solo'd my way to a lvl 99 sniper lol thx cucks for the thousands of dollars i've made along the way by selling zeny
tricked?
I can still hear people begging for buffs.
CURA AGUEM POR FAVOR
For me it's Morroc Theme and it always was since I played the alpha version... I even learned to play it on guitar.
A lack of instanced dungeons was really fantastic. It made the world feel alive rather than standing outside a dungeon and waiting in line for the ride to start again like you're at Disney World. Just go to a funny map and wander in solo and hope you made a new friend or talk about going there in town. It was great.
>Go to town
>Class 2-2
>Talk about leveling
>Some level 99 priest(ess) in sunglasses walks next to you and does /pat
>Somebody helps you out
>Gain some levels
>Get a neat card
>Go your separate ways, sometimes see them and say hi
It was the most organic way to make friends in a game I've ever seen.
this.
i don't understand how developers don't see this. I presume they all go the way the money lies, doing theme parks for the masses, instead of creating something meaningful for gamers with attention span
(mfw this thread pops up the day after i returned to ro.... AGAIN)
The problem is those with attention spans want to "solve" games these days. RO eventually fell victim to this as well. Private servers are shimmering reminders of could have been, but aren't what it was and never will be.
well, thats also because the game is build upon the premise that there are at least several hundreds of players, and you dont get that player count on private servers without the admins having corrupted the gameplay with QoL et al
>RO was my ERP phase
I can never be nostalgic about RO....
>Got groomed by ERPers on RO
>Never grew out of my ERP phase
And yet, I still miss those days...
I'm fully able to accept that the glory days of RO and the internet as a whole are over. Normalgays have taken over and ruined everything.
BUT
I still think that RO was an insanely well crafted MMO and even with the diminished social interactions I'd love a remake/remaster.
>all the content pre satan morroc
>sprites 4x resolution
>low poly, but still more polished 3D backgrounds
>remove movement lag
>monthly fee, zero microtransactions
I would easily sink 10k hours into that.
I like the idea of it, but the reality is just that it would never be the same.
Yeah, same. Grinding in RO is special. It hits a certain sweetspot, it's just engaging enough to not become boring, but you can still chat with people or watch videos on the side + constant chance for 0.01% drops.
As someone who didn't play RO back then, I don't agree, it's all bias, I feel the same about Maplestory and Latale, the latter being genuinely terrible as a game but still holding a permanent spot inside my brain for everything else about it, Maplestory being much better but still not amazing like I used to believe, old Korean MMOs were special but they definitely don't hold up, they would never work today.
The best we can hope for is that they step away from all the realistic graphics and edgy bullshit and go back to the cute soulful aesthetics.
Frick all of you for reminding me of the best time of my life. I miss it so fricking much it's unreal but I know that it'll never be like before ever again.
I met my first girlfriend through RO and she went as far as to come to my country just to meet me and frick. I bet that nowadays that would be impossible since everytime you meet a woman it's going to be a fricking troony and the actual females are going to abuse simps so it'd be impossible to have normal conversations the moment that a female joins the group nowadays.
Did you frick to basshunter and then travel the seas to all the best lans on earth? Lans forever will be special.
>Play in a small private server
>Not big enough to see many people
>Spend most of the time lost exploring the world
>After two weeks of playing find another player
>Shows me how to play the game
>Tells me where other players hangout
>Become part of a guild
>Help out everyone with their quests
>Meet a girl in the guild
>Become one of the best in the guild
I was loner but that adventure i experienced really came out as a shounen adventure
I often think about trying a private server, but a ton of the charm of the game was the high population on most maps.
YO
Question. I have the money to bankroll a server basically indefinitely (not like that cuck who shut the Ganker server down over $15) and technically even enough to hire some coders and artists, just for fun. For quite a while now I've been thinking about launching a Ganker server, but I fear that few people would play and that it would be wasted effort. What do you guys think?
Hard to say. I think it would take time. Like if you leave the server up for half a year or so and people constantly post about then I can see it slowly coming alive. But it'll never be a regular sized server with just people from Ganker.
If you have the cash, why not just roll out a barebones stable server and slowly add more shit as people start playing?
>but I fear that few people would play and that it would be wasted effort
Correct. A RO server absolutely needs a healthy population to make up for it, no matter how high or low you set those rates. The entire game was designed in the golden age of MMOs, expecting thousands of players cramped into a single server. This wasn't too bad for pservers a few years ago, where you would see 2k+ real players, even for a shitty backyard custom server. Top servers can't even break 200 people nowadays, it's pretty much over for the scene. Just like all those 2000's MMOs that disappeared from existence, the time has come for RO...
How do you fix modern MMO players?
Nuke discord, twitter and tumblr. Also destroy Brazil.
People still use tumblr? I thought it was completely dead
>destroy brazil
I hate these fricking monkeys so much. I just recently quit a maple server that launched not long ago because brazillians flood in by the hundreds and shit it up with botting/exploits and overall terribly antisocial behavior.
HUEHEUHEUHEUEHEUHEUHE
I remember the server I played for the longest had a big confederacy of BR guilds that all worked together. They were awful but had numbers, it was like fighting the Zerg.
>Start playing FFXIV
>Join the Behemoth server because they're a frickin' cool monster
>BRs fricking everywhere
>Just because Behemoth starts with "B"
hieheuheuheuhe
>start playing FFXIV
>join Lamia because friends play on it
>chat is all english, everyone is assumed to be in NA
>200 hours later world travel to Behemoth because lol
>chat is nothing but portugese
I dodged a bullet didn't I
Destroy wikis, destroy Discord, destroy Twitter, destroy Tumblr, ban smartphones, reduce the population of brown people on the internet to its pre-2010 levels and delete the free to play model. Only then will the stage be set.
You can't. People don't appreciate or want to do any of the things these games required:
>Working with other people
>Talking with other people
>Helping while expecting minimal things in return
>Dedicating time
>Sharing information
>PLAYING CONSISTENTLY
In my experience meeting people in MMOs has become awful because you'll get one or all of the following
>Sperg that sends you unfunny memes
>Stranger that trauma dumps / overshares depressing or sexual shit although you've known them for maybe a week
>Wants to actually drag you onto some other random side game
and then usually they're gone within 3 weeks or barely log on. It's also becoming more difficult as time goes on to dedicate time to an MMO because even assuming you had ZERO going on in your life, there's 1,000,000 shows, games, and roms to possibly distract you that are a billion time easier to get your hands on.
I end up defaulting to a group of people I met outside of the game because it seems as if anyone who isn't already part of a clique, IRL friend group, duo, or discord group is an irredeemable benchwarmer otherwise they wouldn't be available. The problem with MMOs is that the playerbase interaction went from a feature that you look forward to, to a feature you borderline avoid at all costs. You'll also never roam endlessly in different maps discovering a random volcano with 3D motherfrickers for the first time. Now we just memorize which maps have good items or quests and avoid the ones that don't.
>You'll also never roam endlessly in different maps discovering a random volcano with 3D motherfrickers for the first time.
I still do that in rare occasion I play a MMO because it's fun, but you're right. Too many people don't just want to slow down and immerse themselves in their environments and instead just power game until burning out or stay in their erpg discords.
official servers still get played though only by nostagia boomer whales
Consider the kind of people who still put many hours into RO to this day. They are hardcore PvE and WoE players who tend to be the most obnoxious people on any server - This is the loud minority you will frequently interact with as an admin.
I'd play it.
Make ragnaGanker but good please
I'd be up for coding.
I'd love to give this game some true love.
I've kinda just toyed with source games since.
Also use the name "Gravity 2" lol.
i can code, i even modified/compiled the athena server myself using cygwin
eg. i made some changes to meteor storm so they they fall faster
As much as I would personally enjoy this, I feel it would eventually get sucked into the same maelstrom of bullshit as every other server and die.
Omg yes please. RO has a very special place in my heart. I met my first and only bf through RO and we spent 8 wonderful years together until his untimely death.
That would be great but I have the unpopular opinion that it has to be a 1x server, because increased rate servers tend to feel cheap and to diminish the fun after just a little while. This is in great parts because the original rates were chosen to balance the skinner box effect, so if rare drops are too common that doesn't work anymore, and if you level up too fast that also doesn't work (among other things it means you can't keep your cool drops on you as long because they get deprecated too fast, making drops less valuable).
I agree with 1x for item drops, but exp should be 2x or 3x because many players can't afford to poopsock anymore to get anywhere.
It's a bit tricky because it changes how long an item becomes viable, how long you will stay in the same zone for grinding which affects how much you interact with others and their level range, and so forth.
Also affects droprates indirectly: if you spend 1/2 as much time grinding a certain mob, logically you're getting 1/2 its drop potential and thus have 1/2 the chances of getting the rarer drops naturally.
I'm a full stack webshitter and graphic designer and been thinking about doing the same thing lately.
It's all about time and presentation IMO.
Making everything look as professional and official-like, from the website to the game itself.
No ridiculous custom wings and color schemes for example.
No cash shop.
Then just advertise it here and there and wait for it to grow.
The demand is definitely there, and I'm willing to help if needed.
>The demand is definitely there
bro a succesful server has like 200pop
>131 posters
At least 30 of us would play easily if it wasn't a shit server
maybe at launch, doubt that would last though as it hasn't every time
don't bother
Sounds like you need some way to keep it advertised.
I would absolutely play with anons again.
Idk I might just reset my character and commit again. None of these other servers are scratching the itch for me
Do it, be reasonable and open about changes you make, understand we will criticize you, but don't go silent on us
>High priest
>post arcbishop
I'm screaming
Wow, that took a while.
>High Priestess
>posts Archbishop
You need a good guillotine fisting.
>PVP in current RO is impossible as even at 99% reduction everything insta kill
It's been an issue since renewal due to the new damage formula and classes that made players hit harder and players HP even with high VIT builds just never actually went up much in comparison.
The higher level you get the more damage you do but your HP barely grows.
The absolute gimmick that bard/dancer and sages were would just not work in a modern MMO.
With how modern MMOs tend to work, having a class that casts a skill that prevents them from doing almost ANYTHING else for it's duration which is just a powerful buff that reduces cast time significantly and that's literally all it does in a party would never be played or desired anymore. Let alone Dancer which is even worse because it just reduces MP cost/ and boosts recovery. Most MMOs these days just instantly heal you up after X long with no combat, making HP/MP management a joke.
Sage was even worse, stuck with first class damage skills where it's only useful ability was being able to stop certain enemies from casting their cast-bar skills or in a game that already has elemental weapons, lets you change another parties weapon element for 20 minutes.
All three classes had one thing in common, they wanted the party to not move around much. RO had this stationary party gimmick where you had mounted tanks collect mobs for the party to kill while the party itself barely moved. Or the party moved slowly because of just how heavy the monster spawn in maps like Thanos tower would get. You'd move as a blob, slowly pulling enemies in from the front but being able to cover the back. It was important to too because of how much shit hurt.
The whole combat economy of walk-,attack- and cast-speed was very unique to begin with. Other MMOs tend to balance around fixed walk speeds (with gap closer skills), fixed auto-attack intervals and fixed cast times.
FINISH THE ORIGINAL MANHWA YOU FRICKING KEKS
Sarah my beloved
abab
>max level priest in payon dungeon every single day helping out newbies as stress reliever after work
please take me back...
i was having fun making money through buying and selling using a third party website that would keep track of all the player shops until they cracked down on the bots that used to run the thing so i stopped playing
I miss MMOs so bad.
I still hate microshit for cancelling this
>be me and my friend back in grammer school
>we start our own private RO server running on friends old pc
>MischiefRO
>have around 20-30 regulars that keep playing
>be corrupt GM
>got nudes from asian girl for ghostring card
>hosted an event where if someone buys us pizza we will give them whatever card they want
>literally post my friends address in server messages
>get 3 pizzas delivered to us
>dumb kids don't know repercussions of this
>moms friend where we got it
>"i dunno"
>never asked again
>host more events like this
>one time we accidentally deleted everyones characters
>panic and say on our forums there was a giant server wipe from all RO servers
>no idea what we're talking about
>people come back and restart anyways
>asian girl sends me more nudes shit was cash
>found out she had a boyfriend on the server
>tell him his girl is hot naked
>big drama happens i just turn on pvp and keep killing him over and over
>there was a hacker on our server who had max stats
>we didnt know what to do about him
>ignored it and no one found out
>drop a huge amount of doppelganger cards in a pile as a joke cause no one can pick it up
>some blacksmith ended up picking them up
>panic delete everyones characters
>they still come back
>forget about the server one day
good times
Sounds fricking awful, I love it.
I'll do you one better.
>Got chance to be GM on big server.
>LimitRO.
>Get access to the item db to craft fun little rewards.
>Instantly use it to craft moronic strong weapons.
>As expected, they do a lot of damage.
>Gets boring quickly.
>Sit in the middle of pront.
>Put on random headgears.
>See bow I had crafted.
>Put it on.
>OH NO
>Instantly 25 kRO errors pop up.
>There's no sprite for a GM wearing a bow.
>Anybody who gets remotely close to me gets locked into an endless error chain.
>To make things worse I ran my client through the fricking server the game was hosted on because the founder insisted on that for some reason.
>Can't alt+f4.
>Whole server locked up due to my moronation for almost a whole day.
Checked back a few years ago and there were still old threads about this happening.
Small world. Remember red cards?
Not many mainstream game nowadays with budding e-girl breasts
Evolution has nipples
*ahem*
yes
so did the human grow the bug or is the bug tentacle raping the human?
>bug tentacle raping the human
This
Maya Purple is a dude getting eternally sucked off as well
>rape
Artworks and the anime always depicted the human happy/motherly, not sure about that.
Well what did you do in your childhood instead? There are still lots of activities that I consider more worthwhile than MMOs, fun as they were.
Rode my bike, played soccer, played video games like Budokai 2 and 3 (dream game was budokai tenkaichi 3 and ultimate spiderman, but I never found it until 3 fricking years ago. It was fun, but I'm too old for the game. But finally getting and playing it was an immensely satisfying feeling), watching SMBZ, racing and running, fighting, playing runescape and club penguin, playing with toys (I had to throw away all my fricking toys 2 years ago by my mother and my sisters. I could have given them to my future kid, but to say the sentimental value those things had to me was an understatement. I am still immensely resentful and shcoked at the lack of sentimentality that seems commonplace in women). I gained an interest in art and met my first and only genuine friend who introduced me to anime, got myself a runescape GF at the ripe age of 6 years old, watching tv on cable. Crying in frustration at my grades, playing roblox and other weird and small free trial nickelodian 3d games, playing porn games and not understanding why my dick was getting hard at hot women (I played a sally acorn stripping game when I was 5 or 6, and played a game where I saw naked women and boobies. Swear that game might've had some illegal material like trafficking and I was just wanting to play shit like castlecat)
It does feel like my childhood was complete, but i never got to experience a lot of stuff too. Kingdom hearts would've been a masterpiece to experience, RO would've been great to grind in. I was basically born and raised in a mix of 90s and 2000s culture which is why I've stated to have tasted a "dewdrop". I know how genuinely fun the net was in the 2000s, and I would do anything to go back to those days. Look at how depressimg the current state of the internet is, you may find some kernals of gold but unfortunately unlike the goldmines of the past, it justs lacks in comparison.
Damn, sounds like you've been flipflopping all over without truly finding a homebase to spend some years in. Some people are sent into a downward spiral by this, but I guess one of the positive aspects of MMOs is that you get sucked in, stay and focus on one thing instead of blasting yourself with new stuff every week.
Moonlight flower canonically goes commando all the time, which is why there is no official art of her from the front
god I remember I got her card the 2nd time I killed her, I was happy and angry at the same time. It's a shit card yet getting a boss card is a huge achievement
ZAMN
All zoomers are going to remember about RO is that it's the series that had an anime where a e-girl got raped
Why does your mind instantly jump to zoomers? They have nothing to do with RO, lots of them were still shitting their pants when the game was in its prime.
Archbishop doesn't wear panties!
Prove it
I love the game style so much i tried getting pixel art of it in the hopes some private server would commission me. Never happened, but ended up liking the result a lot.
cool sprites anon
that image is most assuredly over 8 years old at this point.
I know
50 years from now you'll still be thinking about ragnarok and the cool times you had i childhood because nothing you get in adulthood comes close to it
I already do.
That and GW2 a few years after I finally put RO down.
Then TERA after I put GW2 down.
Literally me, except after TERA I moved to BDO. God BDO was so kino for the first year or two, it was like being back in 2006 again with all of the shit talk and open world/guild drama. Had to put it down since everyone dropped off like flies
War of Emperium was some of the most fun but frustrating modes in any MMO I have ever played.
Wizards casting 24/7 blizzard were bullshit but at the same time going in there with my Stalker and stripping people of their gear was so fricking cash
>Sneak behind the enemy's line as a stalker
>You are the guild master
>Activate Emergency Call
>tfw
How bad would this game be to try it now for the first time?
I had a friend growing up that LOVED this and wouldn't stop talking about it but it was already dying by the time I was friends with him.
Is it really just grinding mobs basically infinitely without any questing and sense of world or lore?
If I were to start today... Private server or official?
I also love other stupid grindy games like old runescape and some other massive grindy non-mmo games.
i dont know any private server that isn't shit but i think you can probably have fun until you get to lvl 100 in official servers, it's at that point that not having any gear and not being p2w starts making a big difference
If you want an "''authentic""" experience, there's Payon Stories, aka old and dead OathRO. Yeah, server is kinda scuffed, but it's the closest thing you will get right now, as there's literally no other options...
Yeah you more or less just grind shit. It has more in common with Diablo or something than an MMO really, but I think the game has a good sense of world and lore. The sprites and environments are very charming and do an excellent job of giving the world a lived in feel and plenty of environmental story telling, despite it looking quite dated now. The game itself was just a framework for the social interactions that were the actual game though, this was a time when you had specific servers and no group finders or anything. You got to know all the people who played on your server, all the big guilds and interpersonal drama, you knew which dude had this crazy impressive refined gear or ultra rare card drop or whatever. You can't make a game like that anymore, we're too acclimatized to the conveniences of online games nowadays and the lack of inconvenience and struggle means that social bonding on a server-wide level really isn't possible, you can only emulate that feeling in a raid-group sized setting really.
theres no point since the only players playing it are the whales and sunk cost people.
if you can wait until relaunch I'd recommend originsRO, somewhat nice population and even some casual players for partying and stuff. no ETA as of yet though
if you can get some Gankerirgins to hop in with you you might enjoy it but you'll never experience what it was in it's heyday
>tfw I got to experience Ragnarok and FF11 in their hay days starting when I was under age 10
I fricking won. I know those experiences will never be recreated, the culture is too different.
You can’t imagine how immersive these game experiences were.
I wish I'd played FF11 back in the day, it seems like it has a more "ROish" feel in that you're forced to group up with players to level and whatever. I wasted years on WoW instead, what a disaster.
I missed out on this all because I got into Ultima Online at like 7 and didn't stop until WoW was out
There's still a Ganker server that's up but it's basically dead. It's there tho.
there's not enough people on Ganker as whole playing ragnarok to warrant a server, there's a ragnarok thread once in a blue moon and even then only a fraction of the people posting in them would be willing to play the game again or are playing
I remember playing a Sage and having people beg me for buffs and heals because they couldn't distinguish the sprite from a Priest. I played a decent private server for a few months recently and I don't think it is nostalgia, RO is a simple game with the most basic loop imaginable but it has the right amount of SOVL and does a much better job of making you interact with other players in a spontaneous, social fashion in order to get shit done compared to modern MMOs. I love it so dearly.
oldgay here, no i havent read the whole thread, can someone spoonfeed me with a decent mid rate server with the new clases and shit? for some reason people hate prerenewal or whatever its called, i stoped playing when sakkrai was still a thing
I want a game like Ragnarok in its aesthetic, music, and world design but make it singleplayer like .hack//, Final Fantasy 12, and CrossCode. Or with limited "adhoc" multiplayer like the Souls games.
Would be based, ngl.
What you're describing is Vindictus only without the (REALLY BADLY AGED) 3D graphics.
Say no more, friend!
whats tree of savior like these days
see
I haven't played it after they ruined it with gay themepark leveling but apparently not much has changed other than the fact they leaned HARD into the cash shop business. Last I heard, there were scrolls that just cleared previously-finished dungeons for you and just gave you all the loot that would have dropped. Which is only a step above just selling boss loot in the cash shop.
Here's your I hear the private servers are pretty good, but they have gay cash shops, too.
I saw one of those scrolls in action, it's ridiculous. Your group just loads into the dungeon and one guy pops the scroll, which then forcefully teleports every mob into a vortex in front of you and kills them in a fountain of gibs and loot.
Not my scans, I just saved them when another anon posted the whole thing last year.
I did and it sucks. The graphics and classes are awesome, but the world and the monsters suck and are completely forgettable.
Miss soloing the world with my combo Monk.
Healing and buffing yourself, snapping around like nothing personnel, and taking the time to meditate.
(Sometimes I wonder what it would've been like to have played with friends)
>That artist
stop. you're going to give me PTSD
What, you don't like cute bugs?
I don't like e-girl snuff
Okay maybe I haven't seen everything by this artist after all. Good.
cringe
It's not even e-girl, it's literally infanticide porn
Good.
https://exhentai.org/g/1461637/69b7ec6cdb/
https://exhentai.org/s/f839b253ec/988098-4
Ah, this artist.
Good shit, wish he did more
That's pretty sick, man.
Acid Demonstration
Bye bye
I remember the day that some dude from the Netherlands sent me a legit love confession email. I stopped playing a female High Priest ever since. He got asshurt when I said I'm a dude. I did not even flirt with the homosexual, literally we just partied up regularly to grind dungeons. Man, those were the times. Haha.
no way gay
Make a new server
there's already a server, it's dead
It has no WoE. You need that to keep autists engaged,.
there's always a new server
people get tired of the constant server hopping bro.
Make it high rate you kill the culture meeting new friends culture
make it low rate people hate the fricking grind
high rate servers are moronic, wtf is the point, grinding is the game
well RO was supposed to be a team game. High rates only exist because plebs want to fricking solo shit.
you're supposed to make friends and go to dungeons with them.
There's a pretty big community of casual nostalgiafriends that played one of the Ganker RO servers and are still in touch, the main problem it is impossible to satisfy everyone and if a few key people don't go then nobody will. It basically needs to have have WoE, but the WoE has to be on some arbitrary time that fits the WoE autists, but it also can't have all the servers open, and you also need to luck into there being another guild that's competitive enough to make it interesting, and it also needs to win the admin lottery, be 20x or lower for everyone not to quit in a week, and then it has to land on the patch level that everyone happens to want that year. This varies literally every single year, sometimes people won't play anything more recent than Einbroch and other times people want the whole nine yards.
Plus the whole renewal/not thing.
RO just has too many old players that prefer too many different things so striking a balance that can draw the majority is almost impossible, even more when it's for Ganker or /vg/.
Make a server you think is fun instead of trying to cater to everyone, Dev-chan.
If there's no competition things get stale and pvpfriends always keep their pvefrens close. 4leaf would have lasted a bit longer methinks.
>20x
why even bother if people just want pvp lol
Why not make 2 servers then?
One renewal and one classic
This is the XKCD comic about standards only it's about servers.
man priests were so good in RO. way before newer classes the standard was 95+5 vit so you had a ton of resistances at 100. you were basically a walking tank only surpassed by vit knights, and most of them were agi built. such a fun class to play because you were the most important and versatile component. ro priests were not just healing machines especially in pvp/woe.
this is the short of shit a well built priest was capable of
>GD turf wars
KINO
each death was a 1% exp loss too, so if that priest died even once (he's 98, 99 max at the time) it would be the same exp as as like level 1-60 something. i've lost like 50% and i caused other people the same amount of a level with just a good night of the guild shit before lel, great times
that's what built unity, though. You would spend a week building up to max just to lose it over the weekend and start over.
Ive never played this game but it looks amazing in every way. Im sad I never got to experience it
Project Alfheim is pretty solid. 3x but daily 100% buff for one hour you can activate whenever and resets every day with the server time at the same time. it has a bunch of free cosmetics you can find around the world too I think, I know 4 spots so far. It also has a server introduction quest so if you play make sure to talk to the little cat NPC next to your 1st job change. pretty active, I always see over 1k on. it has autoloot and you unlock dungeon/town warps as you find them
Ragnarok Origins is RO1 reboot, but, well... Like every thing attached to the name it has its issues.
In theory a mobile game would be convenient, but this game badly needs a native PC version.
There's Ragnarok Origin 2.0 with PC client from what i heard.
Seems most of people already moved on to Mobile version, i remember playing mobile ragnarok called Ragnarok X years ago during it's release and need to queue for like 3 hours, and it's on random server, not the first server
just make a new server with woe
Just play Tree of Savior, you dramaqueens. It's the same game, and you can actually run instead of briskwalking everywhere
>It's the same game
It's not
thought they'd finally do something big with the IP when they started hunting down the big private serves a year ago
Imagine my disappointment when it turned out to be just even more mass produced chinese cashgrab mobages
>when they started hunting down the big private serves a year ago
was wondering what that shit was about /sob
At least nothing really came out of it either, as far as I recall they got one or two big servers down which scared a bunch others into hiding, and left everyone else alone.
I had a blast on Private servers, can't believe it's been 2 decades.
Am seething at the fact that i missed this game. I wish i played it. I played a chibk rip off version of it called angels online. Reeeeee
Server? Why is it so full
project alfheim, it's 1800 on currently
Maybe gonna hop on it and be a degenerate healbawd
you might enjoy it, you can usually find parties. especially in Lasanga fields and Dragon's Nest for lowbies. Fairly customized too, for example they have random attributes on gear drops called "options" switch up your build potentials.
>Diablo bullshit
That's not really new, plenty of other servers have that shit
It's basically a modified enchantment system from renewal but made completely randomized
Server has 3x more players than tree of saviour
fricking what lol. I have not played ToS since near release. it just wasn't the same. still seems to be updated a lot
I think I liked the ones that worked with the client open but it was crazy just watching them work in the prompt. wake up with a bunch of obbs to open
of which over 1000 are autotraders. sure it's still a lot though
yeah that makes sense, still the most active low rate I have come across and been pleasantly surprised with. Even just scouring maps for the boxes and treasure chests feels good. found 4 cosmetics and they all don't look bad at all
I loved programming as a kid and used to make various bot routines with openkore.
My favorite one was farming anolian skins east of Komodo and selling them off with a rogue.
Too bad the troony jannies didn't share my enthusiasm.
you sure you weren't one of those kids begging on kore forums for configs?
Nah, I took some basic scripts and tweaked them.
I'm the anon who posted the illustration collection yesterday, today I bring you the Ragnarok Online Update History 2001-2002.
This will mainly be a collection of class artworks.
Times have changed too much. MMO design is "solved" and is expected to rake in big money - naturally this drives bad design decisions mandated by execs. The advent of social media also contributed to the death of MMOs since the social aspect is now outsourced to discord and other platforms. People don't log into MMOs to talk anymore, but to to their laundry list of chores.
Didn't Rogues Paradise work with just 2 rogues sitting together? Also don't forget the Rogues Graffity/Scribble skill!
Archer is the only class I never played.
Ah right. To be fair RO skill names are confusing anyways since people use 2-3 different english names for every skill. Like Guillotine Fist / Extreme Fist / Asura.
I always wondered why is that
Because there have been several versions of RO with different english localizations, like euRO and iRO.
If you need a quick RO fix I recommend Ragnarok Battle Offline, the Thief class is really fun in there. Downloads with all expansions and a fan translations are easy to find.
The fact that you have to buy arrows really didn't appeal to me and male hunters are my least favorite class sprite, they just looks so.. uremarkable. Like some yodeler from the alps.
Poor mage getting bullied by the best 1st class.
That was great, it motivated you to socialize and get a bodyguard to lead you through the Familiars.
Moving on to 2-1 classes!
High agility + Double Attack is addicting and the increased Flee opens up so many maps for you. You may not see many of them because they are good at hiding
Huh? Spear Knights are amazing mobbers! Back on my server the split between spear and sword Knights was something like 40/60%.
Male priests were really popular with the girls for some reason..
Even some solo MMO players subconsciously like having other players around. The truth is that you were not alone at all. While you didn't interact with others much, you probably liked having the backdrop of a bustling society.
A concept called being alone together. You want the presence of others, but not the requirement to speak to them. It dispels any sense of loneliness.
Blacksmiths were also popular with girls, must be the unbuttoned shirt and attitude.
Hell no, something truly revolutionary that feels like a new frontier and drives social interaction has to come along to rope me back into it. Modern MMOs are a hellscape.
Classes are over, time for Kafras.
Ah yeah, that's what it was.
I'll drop the Update History 2003-04 too, not that many pages.
>predefined char in an MMO
I will never understand this.
cute family
The sage outfits felt like a natural progression of the mage outfits.
>male rogue never got the tiger jacket
Last page, that's all folks.
You can configure controller inputs if you activate your controller before running the Config.exe, I got it to work pretty easily. Only issue is that UP is used to jump instead of a dedicated jump button, so my menu navigation was a bit fricky when I mapped Jump to a face button.
>ywn get an yandere alchemist gf who will roofied you
I mean being a knight is hard and I just wish for an alchemist to buff me instead of usual female (male) priest you know
char in an MMO
>I will never understand this.
Agreed
This is what also makes me refuse to play Genshin or similar mobile mmos.
>tfw still remember when nobody used spears as a knight
spear vit knights were pretty strong and played with parties
a while after 2nd class was released everybody was agi 2hand knight and the few ones that specced into vit as a swordsman went for 1hand+shield
literally nobody used spears
so like, the beta?
cant remember lol i think it was already out of beta
>Update
lol nah, alpha didn;t have 2nd class, beta did. then like 6 months later or something 2-2 classes came. Crusader, etc
i stopped paying a while after 2-2 got implemented and i think it was already out of beta back then
Yup. I didn't mean beta lasted forever, lol. 6 months after the "release" of non beta the expanded classes come. But anyway I suppose I wasn't in my guild then actually so you're probably right. Everyone lusted after that two hand quicken
i still remember when you had to go to the middle of the 1st floor of pyramid which is a fricking maze to change to thief
it had no minimap and of course wikis werent a thing
was thief good? i never saw many of them
Rogues got graffiti, easily the coolest ability in the game. Meanwhile, asscross was extremely popular just for the sheer joy of instant kills. Saw a lot of asscrosses back in the day.
of course you didn't see them they hide
best 1st class for solo or party without healers
Yeah offline was the fighter I tried.
Pretty good from what I remember, would love to play it with a PS4 controller.
you never played archer class? I mean that's fine but damn. I STARTED with an archer on iRO after beta, that shit was rough. Struggling down in the Prontera Culverts, getting a hyrda card and Ora Ora and having absolutely no clue of their worth
Archer was a struggle, and you were either rewarded with a pet bird. Or you were making a bard/dancer for your planned wedding partner, to be the guilds dedicated Bard/Dancer couple for the Sage to free cast Deluge and the Wizard now can freely spam Waterball anywhere you want to farm for a bit.
Thank you for correction. It is 2 rogues, but both must have the skill and be SITTING! So even more niche and specific, also the name of the passive is Gangster's Paradise.
huh there is this on alfheim, they must have made it available to a solo rogue. it's for sale for 50 silvervine fruit, which drops at a .5% ratio from all mobs
very nice, they always had good art for this game.
Just read the whole thread and I didn't even play Ragnarok, but I wish I did. Instead I played MapleStory.
Why it's not possible to make one RO nowadays? Is it the number of people? Datamining? Wikis?
RO was the lack of all the resources we have, and the commitment to be as restrictive and party focused as possible. No MMO in the modern era would dare to have any of the complete fluff almost every class had.
My favorite example will always be the silliest ability rogues paradise, for those unaware having three rogues with rogues paradise made it so no non-MVP mob would aggro the party. Such a neat and niche ability would never be made today.
>There will never be another video game like (early) RO ever again
it hurts.
Frick overmoderated modern trash.
Ragnarok was the GOAT
I want to play, where's the server?
>>be theif
>>like low level af
>>run through grasshoppers to see how far I can get
I knew frick all about this game. I somehow got in to it at just the right time. Like the OST is a true sequel to Linkin park reanimated, was a blast.
This was the CS and racing games killer for quite a while, I stopped playing FPS games for it. Then got bored and returned.
What would be good is a smash bros brawl clone of RO. Not an MMO, nor that fighter they did, but very good 3D with the Guilty Gear XRD quality.
Tree of savior has nice art but eh, just the characters. It begins and ends at their "sprites".
Nova still has 2 or so people and 5000 merchants but it also has 4th classes.
Meant for
.
I was kinda curious to see how ridiculous things get but I don't think I have the patience to grind anymore. RO really came out at the right time.
>>I don't think I have the patience to grind anymore
>Think this to myself
>yet still grind monhun
I guess I'm just burnt out of old RO content.
>2003 or something
>spawn at the town of griffen
>wanted to be a merchant, needs to go to the town al de baran for that
>era of no wikis
>asked a random person around town
>he led me all the way to the town of al de baran which is literally on the opposite of the world
>Al De Baran
Oh man that place has different names in other versions. For me the place was called Alberta.
apologies it was alberta lmao
been so long already
It's fine. I'm shocked I remember at all these days, but they are memories I cherish.
AgiBless plz
>tfw so autistic that I could never talk to people IRL or even online so I only played RO solo
>never got good at it
>never got enough lucky drops to be well-known
>still enjoyed every moment of my autistic poorgay kirito lives across multiple servers
What kind of wizardry was involved in RO that even gays like me had fun
Anons, are you playing another MMO? Or are you waiting for one? Or did you lose hope for the genre?
I'm waiting for Blue Protocol, but I'm not hopeful. There's already a Battle Pass.
I honestly kinda lost the hope in this genre after ToS. Asian MMOs will forever be riddled with grind, RNG walls as content and ridiculous monetarization. The West in the meantime can't get the gameplay right. I also prefer anime style over realistic and a lot of modern MMO go for the latter. I also hate to play a predefined char instead of a custom character.
Still waiting for Lineage 3
>selling potions in front of dungeon entrance
>people formed a defense formation to protect my shop from monster aggros
kino
https://vocaroo.com/13l02E8KxKOD
Shouldn't be playing this, its aimed at underage kids.
what should I be playing?
i didint want to do this but im too nostalic
i want in
so good
You have to move on.
You have to.
I'm literally playing it right now, so you're wrong.
It's not the same and you know it. The atmosphere isn't there anymore.
It's not the same, but that doesn't make it bad.
Just today I was playing in a party with some of my friends. I had a great time teaching the wizard how to VFW.
looking at this thread makes me feel like i missed out on something i wouldve really enjoyed
Check out the music senpai, it's comfy:
Probably. Ragnarok Online molded a large swathe of weebs and gamers, but the same may be true for Maple Story, WoW and smaller MMOs like Flyff.
If you ever come across a player in an MMO who would rather do random stuff, hang out or just slap mobs just cause, then make any progress. The likelihood of them playing RO is higher than you might think.
There's something about the atmosphere of Komodo that is very comfy
Really every town (other than Morroc) I enjoy a lot.
raito remastered rbo ost couple years ago
Oh sweet, sadly it doesn't include the expansion songs, like my personal favorite:
The problem with a Ganker server is that people can't agree on any of the settings.
And if it does happen again, it will soon be filled by the same people crying rivers about hunters being broken and complaining about cliques that only exist in their heads.
I hope it does happen again.
I see you also played ragna/v/.
>What he wanted was the Grand Tip Bag - the game's cheat code, a computer card that will lead him to a series of online game victory.
This sentence never fails to make me laugh.
If you go to the Ragnarok thread on /vm/ you'll see that these people are still posting about it, even today.
This behavior is pure sour grapes over....online friendships.....in an MMO? That's the best way I could interpret it. Why do people get mad that people form groups in online games?
People murder each other over less. At least a GTB card would've literally made you a god on your server.
gtb was overrated
>on any of the settings.
3/3/2, no ez mode NPCs no cash shop gear. Done. Anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.
This, also no @commands.
RagnaGanker was this except higher rates and people complained on and on about no resets, no autoloot, no warper.
>and people complained on and on about no resets, no autoloot, no warper
Okay, and? Are you under an impression that there would be a setting were a Ganker playerbase wouldn't complain? Priests can warp, buff and heal, resets enable moronic builds and custom content is gay.
The biggest complain was the maccaco dev, everything else was just a few loud idiots.
It was clear from the literally very first thread, when it was obvious that the guy wasn't even willing to pay $15 per month to keep the server up that the whole thing was doomed. He 100% expected that he would make money with this. Free headgears was also dumb and the massively increased regeneration was a crutch for shitters who don't know how to play. 0/10
I like this one. You click blue orbs once you go to the warp point to unlock it and it cost a blue gem to get there from the warp NPCs. all the towns past Juno don't have Kafra warps and require you to unlock their orbs as well. nice inbetween none and all for free
I am a certain kind of unhinged. My favorite time in RO was spent on KokoRO before it died. I never thought that it would.
That said, 3/3/2 is too generous. Ragnarok Online is the kind of game that should be meandered through comfortably. This, of course, over base rate.
If you want to get your quick gearing fix you can wander over to a mid rate superman server. I'm here for the slow burn.
No, @ commands are nice. God knows how much use I get out of @mi. And @killcount is nice to tell you just how far over the droprate you have gone and STILL haven't gotten your Boots [1] from those damn Argiopes...
Frick off smokie
Me too, bro. Me too. Ragnarok Online was peak MMO gaming.
New server with nonmoronic dev when
Now you remember PS3's Ragnarok
I remember this one guy trying to create a server, and anythime he did it Ganker said a lot of bad stuff. I think he gave up.
I think it's the same dude. He should just have done it already
I remember being literally 7 and playing this on some bootleg server because I saw my brother play it. Thought it was the coolest game on Earth. Didn't understand most of the mechanics beyond the basics but I really liked wandering the world.
Last time I played RO I spent like 2 weeks making an insane vani just for them to nerf its pvp damage into the ground. This was way over a decade ago I think. Also lost my e-virginity in this game to some Russian chick.
>roruinal
go away
>tfw you will never play ro with Gankertards again
i just want to have fun
When did Ganker suddenly like Korea?
I made this gif 16 years ago and never posted it anywhere.
I won't forget you, anon
God, this game brings back so many memories. The nostalgia feels are bittersweet.
Playing hentai servers is probably the reason i like so much pixel art porn.
I wish i still had that files, can't find then anymore, at least i couldnt.
Wish someone could mesh the graphics of tree of savior in ragnarok, the graphics were so beautiful and it had so much potential. If they sticked with the cards giving buffs, the open world without quests, stats and skill points and keeping similar classes, I remember entering everyday at the website of tree of saviour and reading about the news, that really killed the last hope I had on MMOs.
cant do that anymore, homosexuals just want money.
Manual party finder really is the best compromise. You post what you want, negotiate in real time, and que up when everyone's ready.
Still too convenient for my tastes, but inevitable because it is so much easier to construct a third party equivalent with discord or whatever nowadays. I miss the much more organic way that parties formed in RO back in the day.
Is Project Zero dead? I played it a while ago and it was fun but it looks like it hasn't had an update in like a year
>met internet girlfriend on RO
>we didn’t know what either of us looked like as webcams/video chatting was rare
>finally see her after a year
>very attractive girl
>as good as you can get cybersex
The whole experience was great.
I remember a couple that actually meet in the RO server of my country, they did eventually get married. there was even a interview with both in a gaming magazine here, i probably still have it somewhere.
>it’s Saturday morning
>the next 14 hours is reserved for grinding on the same map with your guild
Take me back.
This song is perpetually stuck in my head. https://youtu.be/hOAnvMGeAAk
The song of Shoes[1] or Muffler[1] and an inventory full of Girl's Diaries...
Still the funniest title of a song ever.
what do anons think about modded servers
You can't go back and I can't go back. There will never be another hype for RO ever again. 2004~2012 was the last bastion of good MMOs
We can blame WoW for that. By its peak popularity around 2008 every investor and developer wanted to make the money blizzard was, all new MMOs copied the formula, all old ones kept making changes to copy WoW as much as possible. Themepark MMOs became the norm because of it.
Renewal in 2009 was gravity ruining what they had in a movement to copy WoW by "modernizing" the game to be a themepark "move from map to map to fight similiar level monsters that are no threat to you".
Of all the changes renewal did, that one was the most grievous of errors.
don't cry because it's over, get angry because social media irrevocably destroyed the fabric of human interaction
Is there a way to mod tree of savior?
too much work
I sincerely wish that I had a computer of my own back then. Frick, I remember playing Runescape and I would've known about RO if I hung about it more, my GAIAturd sister kept fricking hogging the computer all the time. I want to experience the early thousands internet, I had a fricking dew drop taste of that elixir man. I was fricking ROBBED, and now we'll never get a genuine experience like this on the net again because of normalgays, virtuesignalling gays and greedy israeli companies
> be vit knight doing mobbing for party, back in 2005
>i'am dragging 50+ blue orcs while they wait near the entrance
>watching el hazard and tenchi on my ctr tv
>kept doing this for hours and hours, somehow never got bored or tired
RO was the perfect game at the perfect time, nothing will everbeat it.
play Project Alfheim with me!
it's fine. Could be better tho
You now remember how it was so cool back then.
it's still cool
There is nothing like playing in a server with a bunch of other autists. It's fun. There's hardly any sense of community in mainstream servers.
Does anybody have that picture of the raid wipe with bapho card drop?
ragnaGanker reborn when
There was barely any custom content in it, you could recreate it in a day. All the custom hats and cosmetic were in the files.
>playing RO in 2010 or something
>Me and my brother make accounts and play together
>brother has an idea
>creates a female character and makes a priest
>everyone helps him and he also has to act all friendly with them
>we realized this was going to be good
>he gets gifts, leveling parties, even more woe supplies
>always easy to find a spot in leveling parties and he used to bring me as well
>realize men are easy so not a simp now
You will now remember
imo they should add an auction house or something to do away with all the merchant bots, can they do that though, probably not
Cities full of vendors belong to Ragnarok, it's not like all those autovend merchants turn into real players if you get rid of them.
Dev Anon why did you abandon us?
For me, it's the Amatsu Dungeon theme
Good one, but the song that lives rent-free in my head is this:
alfheim looks okay
maybe we should just play that
I've played the server a bit, but the low drop rate is aids. also it is pretty hostile to new players when inn is 5k and warping anywhere cost a fortune. would be ok if all zeny making methods weren't nerfed to the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vEVg6zp14k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ukVuZHA0sQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz6MDXrGl6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlfBuFMCZNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Gc_CrVs8o
no one has time anymore to spend 8 hours a day grinding for a few levels and high rate servers are garbage that just invalidates 99% of the game
what even was the story in RO? i don't remember talking to any NPCs in any of the towns at all
i dont know but i know there is one, there's even an anime and a manga
Similar to other RPGs of its day, you had to find the story. Quests were hidden in the world and you could find them by talking to specific NPCs while having certain monster drops or completing other quest lines. Not very straightforward but learning about and exploring the world rewarded you with more lore and neat loot. I kinda prefer it over handholding the player all the way to endgame with forced cutscenes.
What made this MMO special vs other ones? I never played MMOs, and I tried to launch this one and it failed on me and no I don't want tech support to solve this, if I wanted that I would ask. I dont' like stealth tech support. What am I missing out on?
Ragnarok is a fully organic game. If you exit one of the starting cities from the wrong portal you could end up on a map 30+ levels above your character. Monsters of different levels share the same maps. You get easy zones in the middle of hard one, and hard zones in the middle of easy maps.
You are not the chosen one, you're just a random dude. Every class has its own role, almost every skill is OP one way or another. Monsters are much, MUCH stronger than players of the same level. Either you have to take the slow path by easy soloing lower level monsters, or risky tactics that can potentially give you big payouts.
There are no corridors or set paths. You have real, legit multiple options to level all the way to the cap. Some monsters are objectively better EXP/Hour than other but usualyl give bad drops, there's always alternative spots that are slower but you can farm useful things and/or money in the meantime.
Monsters are not mindless drones that just follow and attack, they have patterns and skills and you need to approach them differently. Sometimes they sprinkle easy and convenient maps with a handful of monsters designed to catch you off-guard. Monsters can loot items on the floor, protect each other, support each other with skills, detect skills being used on them, change targets, etc.
And of course, the art direction. It's oozing soul.
Even modern RO which is considered to be not too different from modern MMOs still has beautiful sprite work. Picture related.
That level of freedom is something I miss in MMOs. Everything nowadays is level or story gated and designed to shove you all the way to endgame without too much trouble. In RO, you progressed at your pace while being as safe or as risky as you wanted to be. Skip main story? Sure. Want to explore a map with mobs 30+ levels higher to find a new dungeon or town? Go ahead. Want to farm loot or grind exp? Asses your resources and pick the best farming spot. And the threat of leveling down from a lapse in judgement kept you on your toes even with normal mobs.
let say that the MMO exist but at the same time so does the guides to min/max leveling and farming.
do you still want to play inefficiently?
Guides always existed, games used to be grindy as shit so even then, people wouldn't burn through the game that quickly, people will get bored of grinding the same spot for 50 hours, they'll do something else even if it's not as fast.
I like when the game still lets me be inefficent and approach everything my own way. It reminds me that I'm human and prone to mistakes.
wish i had a friend to duo farm hard monsters with when i played on private servers
how difficult would it be to make a brand new engine and game that play exactly like ragnarok but smoother without the input lag and network issues, i think the hardest part would be getting the sprite work to be on the same quality as ragnarok
you will never be younger again and the dopamine from nostalgia will continue to shrink
Payon stories is veryvery comfy
population is gettin huge too
highly recommend to anyone that doesn't mind 1x