Both are now free on Game Pass, but which one is actually worth playing, and why?

Both are now free on Game Pass, but which one is actually worth playing, and why?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lords of the Fallen is trash and not even worth playing for free.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The answer is 'both; and somewhat this too, I still havent finished LOP because I upgraded to Series X and have unpatched LOP on my S which is what i'll finish I just cant bring myself to plug it in though, too many games too play...thanks Phil!

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had more fun with lord of the fallen than elden slop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could put some effort into your trolling.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not jocking. At least umbral world was interasting. Elden ring was boring garbage thst burned me out extremely quick

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, your use of ESL grammar and typos makes the shitpost much more believable. You're getting better, so lead with that next time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >At least umbral world was interasting.

          No it wasn't. It only had like four enemy types, one of which was just easy fodder. The "puzzles" were just locking yourself into a "pull the platform over here" animation over and over again. It also looked the same throughout, so each area's unique aesthetic kept getting covered up with the same grey slime. It was a completely underbaked mechanic that only served to pad out the game's length.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >interesting
          >just normal world but bone bridges and infinite enemies
          Doesn't take much to impress you 3rd worlders does it?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is a better souls game than anything From has made post-bloodborne. They absolutely aped From's formula, but only kept the good parts. NG+ might be the biggest weakpoint, but I still went through it twice and had a great time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a tight and impressive game, it's what I imagine BB too be if it ran smooth and wasn't Janksoft

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, it fricking isn't. Just because you like the fricking twink and the clothes doesn't make the game better. The level design is the most boring, linear shit. The bosses are fricking boring. And for all the, "You didn't beat the game," homosexuals, LoP gives more options to remove challenge than any other game in the genre; P-Organ, throwable, grindstones, summons, wishstone, etc, etc. Hell, if you go to NG++ you literally can remove perilous attacks.

      Don't believe a single one of these homosexuals who claim it's better than From offerings. It's linear, boring shit, and no bit of the handle swapping will change that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but only kept the good parts
      You're definitely a DaS3 baby and a fake fan because non-linearity is fundamental to the souls formula. Not to mention the combat being reduced to tapping the block button without any of the nuance of positioning or resource management.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because non-linearity is fundamental to the souls formula
        Oh yeah all that non-linearity in Demon's Souls

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lies of P is amazing, graphics OST worldbuilding setting level design, all of it feels top-notch. If you told me From created LoP I wouldn't be surprised at all, maybe surprised because it's better in some aspects. The only problem I had was the lack of discovering new areas, it was all quite linear. Tight and well designed sure, but hidden bosses would've made this so much better.
        >Dark Souls 1 > Elden Ring > Lies of P > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3
        I'm 27yo, played Demon's Souls on release on the PS3 and every other Souls game since, this is my honest ranking. DS3 is the only game I couldn't finish, I hated how it felt. Couldn't stand the "rollspam" in DS3 and stopped after Dancer. Loved the OST and some bosses, couldn't stand the gameplay. Never played Bloodborne.

        >without any of the nuance of positioning or resource management.
        What? I played using the Two Dragons Sword and half the time positioning using the R1 attacks instead of dodging. If you have proper positioning you can dodge red attacks instead of perfect blocking them as well. "Lack of resource management" simply isn't true at all in regards to throwables or healing items.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you told me From created LoP I wouldn't be surprised at all
          I would because LoP runs well and can go over 60fps without mods.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lies of P doesn't have the same copy/pasted enemies and environments from prior souls games either.

            Elden Ring wasn't a 10/10, I loved it but it's far from perfect. Oh boy the 6th crucible knight, the 5th Ulcerated Tree Spirit, ANOTHER fallen star beast, the same enemy but there's TWO THIS TIME!!!, the same enemy but holding a different weapon!!?! And what's the reward? Spirit ashes, for me I never used these things because I wanted to actually play the game so half the time "rewards" from dungeons were literally nothing.
            At least chalice dungeons had atmosphere and new enemies to face. The dungeons in Elden Ring had none of that.

            DS3's whole world sucked
            Can't believe they just slapped shit together and decided you're just gonna teleport. Beyond lazy

            You can literally walk everywhere from Majula, no loading screens whatsoever, except for Lost Bastille. Such interconnectedness allows for the No Bonfire challenge. Beat the game, without resting even once at a bonfire, and you’re rewarded with a special ring during credits. I understand DS2 has it's flaws I get it, but DS2 had a certain charm completely absent from DS3. I replayed DS3 last year and could barely get through it.

            Surge was trash and doesn't even get an honorable mention in the Soulslike conversation.

            3 was horrendous, it was grey ugly and by far the worst hub area. It wasn't better than DS1's firelink shrine, it wasn't better than Majula, it wasn't better than Hotel Krat, I don't even think it was better than the Nexus. DS3 was an absolute slog, just thinking of the road of sacrifices makes me groan.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Demon's Souls?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. brainlet

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of p is 8.5
    Lotf is 6 at best

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lords of the Fallen was one of the most excruciating Souls-like I've ever experienced. It's like playing a game made by developers that once watched someone else play Dark Souls. Floaty combat with minimal variety (every weapon in a class plays the same, it's just numbers go up), abysmal enemy variety (you will be fighting the same dogs, dual-axe berserkers, and obligatory ranged enemies all the way to the final level of the game), most of the bosses are just normal enemies with a healthbar and some gimmick, and perhaps worst of all it's insultingly EASY. I mercifully coasted my way through it, only to find that they forgot to design a boss for the ending I achieved. Whoops!

    (Pic related was a big cool crow boss that, after the intro cutscene, proceeded to do nothing but be a backdrop while I fought waves of adds until he died in another cutscene...)

    Playing Lies of P is like playing a game made by devs that actually played and enjoyed Bloodborne and Sekiro, but they wanted to put their own spin on it. If you want a Soulslike that plays as autistically close to an actual Souls game, this is it. However, it is also very linear. Whereas Lords of the Fallen tried to make a big interconnected world, but forgot to make it fun to travel through, Lies of P is pretty much just a straight line. Despite that difference, both clock in at around 30-40 hours. This is because LotF has a lot more boring walking, whereas Lies of P is actually challenging enough that speeding through it on a first playthrough is unlikely. The enemy variety is great, with lots of unique minibosses that crop up to surprise you. The enemies aren't only puppets though, and I actually think the enemies are less interesting, so that might be a disappointment if you wanted puppets/robots from start to finish. Also the music, especially the covers on the jukebox, are phenomenal and memorable (I for the life of me cannot recall if LotF had music).

    Only typed this out to say FRICK LotF

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People always mention the linearity of Lies of P as a negative, but I really didn't mind it that much. It was kind of refreshing not having to spend a bunch of time figuring out where I'm supposed to go next and instead I could just focus on playing the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And it being linear also means it way easier to balance.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I'm not really saying it's a negative, but I think it's important to let people know it's not going to have that same sense of "oh, I'm not good enough for this area/boss, I'll go somewhere else first". I remember a lot of people getting walled by the bosses on launch day and complaining lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only soulsgays complain about linearity because if it isn't exactly like souls, it's bad. They can't appreciate something for what it is.
        I am biased as I'm speaking from the position of a Niohgay where I prefer the linearity of it but I would never take the position of saying non-linearity of souls games equals bad

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care either way and like both, but yeah Souls gays pretending that the games are full of amazing deep exploration are moronic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bosses are so damn hit or miss, from downright impressive too MMO tier 'Really?' bosses, they have some talent on their team its clearly just a few guys or something though. The game for me will definitely be a very mixed experience

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like the big gross boss underground somewhere, it's big, gross and animated really well, what more can you want?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >perhaps worst of all it's insultingly EASY.
      There's something about Souls fans where they need to lie about how easy a game was to them

      Every single Souls-like get this complaint but the average person would not agree at all

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bosses were the only redeeming part of LotF. Hushed Saint, Peta, Adyr, Ruiner, Crow, Huntress and Cleric were all great.

      What, you don't love an entire game of enemies hidden behind barrels/planks/walls jumping out at you around every single corner?

      Most pathetic part is that they don't even react if you break their cover because they're strictly scripted to pop out when you walk in front them or something. That and the constant reused enemies were the biggest negatives the game had for me.
      If it had decent variety I would easily have sunk another 50 hours into it getting the rest of the achievements.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only played the original lords of fallen it was playable but not much else; haven't gotten to the sequel... lies of p is freaking awesome i am waiting with baited breath for the expansion HURRY UP ALREADY

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I havent played Lords of the Fallen, but Lies of P was great. Its such a good soulslike that its better than some of the proper Souls games. They out Fromsoft'd Fromsoft.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno about lords of fallen but lies of pp is an unironic masterpiece. The biggest flaws it has are the somewhat lackluster cosmetic customizability and some skill descriptions being a bit cryptic.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theyre both good for different reasons. Lotf is like dark souls 2 , not linear at all and very vague at times, story can be quite confusing if you dont pay enough attention
    Lies of Penis has a well explained story and is very straightforward and linear
    Theyre both very difficult and the final bosses of lies of P are immense stopgaps
    I wouldnt be able to pick one over the other honestly they're both good games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Theyre both very difficult

      Don't lie anon, Lords of the Fallen is one of the easiest Soulslikes on the market. Even the grandiose "cutscene phase transition" bosses were a total snoozefest. They hyped up that Harrower Dervla b***h so much in the promotional material, and her fight was some weird fusion of Malenia, Gael, and the Twin Princes, but it was so embarrassingly easy that I didn't need a runback. And it was the same for all of them, Judge Cleric, Reinhold, it was just fricking sad.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lords of the Fallen also kind of looks like ass. The graphics aren't technically impressive and the artstyle is the most bland "fantasy but edgelord" thing I could imagine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have you considered that maybe you're just too good at this kind of games now? I also didn't find it to be particularly difficult but I still had a good time with it. the world design in occasions reminded me a lot of DaS1, which to me is more valuable than having ebin anime bosses with 100 different moves, also, the old souls games have bosses that would be considered too "easy" nowadays, would you say that the games are no longer worth playing for that reason?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is a great game (with better gameplay than some of From's games). But with each patch they makes game easier and easier. I don't know why.
    Electric policeman from demo - nerfed on release.
    Green monster - nerfed twice
    Final boss - nerfed
    Etc.
    Waiting for dlc, tho

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Green Monster kind of deserved it, not because it was necessarily too hard but it's fricking annoying and I don't want to spend a second longer fighting that butthole.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both, But Lotf is extremely mid so if you go with one choose Lies of P

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really liked Lies of P. I haven't gotten around to playing Lords yet.

    Also neither are free. You're subscribing to a rental service. Why is this hard for people to grasp?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd be paying the same amount regardless if they added LOTF or not, thats the only way it's 'free' but yes it all is relative to the vale of $15/m, I probably don;t get my values worth but I like having the option of a lot of games and being surprised by releases like this, I'm mainly suscribed to play through Yakuza catalogue and Zenimax back catalogue, some of EA;s games (Mass effect) because it's way quicker then slowly picking it all up on sale which I do anyways

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't argue with the moron who can't understand the concept of a subscription.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But he's agreeing with me?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is pretty fun, lacking some enemy variety but it is what it is. Game lasts as long as it needs to. The weapon crafting mechanic is a lot of fun to tinker with to find a moveset/scaling stat/speed/range that you like.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The weapon system feels like a double edged sword, since you can make something to fit your style but it also allows you to min max shit to the point where anyone can make the theoretical "perfect" weapon.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both. If they are free there is no reason not to try both.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Time is more valuable than money. I'd much rather have the 30 hours I wasted on Lords of the Fallen back than the money I could have spent on it (lol).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And you are wasting it b***hing on here. Get some priorities.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >time is more valuable than money
        >on Ganker

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And you are wasting it b***hing on here. Get some priorities.

          Shitposting is more fun than Lords of the Fallen unironically

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LofF is a bit more inspired with it's world and game mechanics but it's janky as frick with many questionable design choices and bugs. The umbral could have been expanded with more mechanical upgrades that would change the way you approach to that realm as you progress in the game but it just kept the same mechanics from start to the end.

    LoP is a lot more polished but i just didn't like the way everything was. It felt really uninspired from boss designs to it's world. The characters didn't have unique personalities that stood out with me. The bosses were polished and looked cool but they all played very similarly. Even in Sekiro they have had some interesting animations and attacks that added some personality to the bosses. It wasn't present in LoP. The levels were also pretty boring as well. The gameplay is still much better in LoP though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >More inspired
      >Generic fantasy shit but dark
      lol no

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never played Lord of Fallen, but I can confirm that Lies of P was pretty good.
    The best parts for me were the entertainment street and outside next to the museum, both with the gramophone music in the background.
    My main complaint is that the puppets weren't given enough room in the plot, with the alchemists stealing the spotlight instead

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This frick face was harder than any boss in Lords of the Fallen.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is more unique, and overall very good game. It's definitely worth playing. Great weapons, enemies, weapon customization, etc. No major complaints

    LotF is good but nothing special. The gameplay is fine with a few good aspects I'd like to see other souls games pick up (Swapping between umbral world and normal is cool, thrown/ranged weapons being pretty useful and using an ammo meter instead of having to farm ammo, online play currency/shops, etc). The setting carries it hard, it's got a really cool setting with a "brutal catholicism" aesthetic ala blasphemous. It was enough for me to enjoy the otherwise average game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The setting in LotF is shit and boring, it's basically all of the bad guys from Lord of the Rings.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LOTF's "non linearity" is paper thin. You basically have a single huge fork in the entire game and two dead ends. That's it.
    Its level design feels randomly generated at certain points.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played and completed both when they launched. Lies of P is the better game, but I preferred Lords of the Fallen.
    The aesthetic appealed to me more, and playing a Strength build was more fun in LOTF than in LoP.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and playing a Strength build was more fun in LOTF than in LoP.
      How? LoP gives you cool shit like that transforming greatsword glaive with unique moveset or ability to make super fast gigantic weapons
      In LOTF you have a single moveset for the entire genre and literally no other gimmicks

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of Piss is way more janky than Kino of the Fallen

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is LOTF co-op? Its the only thing I would download it for

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hotel Krat is the best and comfiest hub in any Souls-like game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The infinite stamina, the inter connectivity, the visuals and atmosphere, firelink is barely ahead for me but it's close. Majula is great as well. By far inarguably the worst was DS3's grey ash covered ugly maze SUCKED, half the time there was a white wall of fog that prohibited me from leaving the damn place. They can't even give it an original name, it doesn't deserve to be called Firelink Shrine the same as DS1. I have a fricking 4090, horrendous excuse for a hub area.
      DS3 fricking sucked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DS3's whole world sucked
        Can't believe they just slapped shit together and decided you're just gonna teleport. Beyond lazy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3 was great, the loading was annoying but other than that it was a fine hub.

        DS3's whole world sucked
        Can't believe they just slapped shit together and decided you're just gonna teleport. Beyond lazy

        There were some teleports but most areas still connected to each other directly. I only care about the individual area design and I thought they were all good.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've never played Lords of the Fallen but I can tell you that Lies of P is absolutely worth playing if you like action RPGs.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P, and it's not even remotely close.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got a good 40 hours of playtime out of Lords before I got burned out on it during a second playthrough. Decent game after all the patches to it. Enemy placement is still dogshit though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, you don't love an entire game of enemies hidden behind barrels/planks/walls jumping out at you around every single corner?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is very janky and has shit level design. No clue about LoF but based on prior deck13 games it's most likely shit too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its not deck13, who redeemed themselves with the surge.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Surge was trash and doesn't even get an honorable mention in the Soulslike conversation.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lies of P is excellent.

    Feels like the Bloodborne/Sekiro ideas broken down and then built back up into its own proper interpretation, not just "what if x but y" which is most other soulslikes.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would take LoP

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More like Lords of the Fartlen.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd have sex with P, I would not have sex with Lords of the Fallen guy.

    Lies of P wins.

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