Can this dethrone Elden Ring?

>can't read
Yeah that's a common problem with the kind of Fromdrones that pretend ER is good.

>Filtered!
>No, you can't use items in the game!
That's okay. My first run was str/faith where I used the golden halberd and the bronze shield and absolutely demolished everything without magic or summons.

>prove that you beat From's most braindead and simple game
You should try playing Sekiro charmless. It'll make you shit your pants.

Ah, so you're completely moronic and shit at games. That would explain your posts.

>I'll never forget the feeling I had when I got teleported into Caelid Wilds and walked outside for the first time. Or when I first discovered the Deep Siofra Well.
Those are the 2 only good moments in exploring the world. They also only last a few seconds, after which they lose their luster. Meanwhile, Bluemoon has the ending of the Griffon hunt which is the only really good long quest in the game, and shits on anything Elden Ring had. That was a poor comparison to make.

>If they could combine what's good about both these games
There's nothing good about ER. Mind you I'm not someone who hates From games. I love DeS, DaS, BB and Sekiro and there's a lot of great stuff in those. ER is just shit.

Nonsensensical as it is, it is what it is.

That said it actually makes sense from a gameplay perspe because that is literally their sole threat factor their ability to stagger you. Without it they might as well not exist.

Dogs exist in dark souls and they do literally the same shit. What I do agree with you is that the visuals of the enemy not matching their ability which is bad design yeah. But not like rats are overly complicated enemies to begin with, so if you play around their one strength and not mash attack like a moron you won't have any problems in the game. I stand by my statement of never having any problems, frick I hit traded malekith to death in a couple of hits, a boss many people notoriously have problems with because he's tricky to dodge. Whereas I ignored his main strength and spammed my attacks away. For when regular attacks don't suffice, use lions claw. It has even more hyper armour.

In DS1 you can have enough poise to not be passively staggered, don't quote some random post at me, I know how to play the game. Proper poise, as in do dumb shit hyper armor only granted by oversized weapons as well.

Incorrect for DS3 and ER, those rely on hyper armor systems or "active poise" so a rat will always stagger you, as will most of the enemies in the game of any consequence (and even weak ones), DS2 has some hyper armor, but also still has a passive poise system (though much more limited).

Not gonna install Elden Ring again just to try this. Reading up on the wiki and I'm seeing you can poise basic b***h enemies, but also it's out of date so all the numbers are wrong.

Either strider or assassin has exactly the kind of pssssht, nothing personal dash attack you seem to be complaining about

Correct. One is a wizard casting a powerful spell, the other is anime characters dashing in the air with a million effects.

I personally don't like fantasy settings where you absolutely must use a staff to use any magic at all, hell Mystic Knight in DD is enough wiggle-room for a mage warrior that I see no problem with Spirit Lancer or Alchemist conceptually.

I've seen gameplay of alchemist, they do not "fly through the air with a million effects." They have some air dashes and some air moves, but they aren't saiyans.
This is a game about weakpoints and frick tall monsters, among other things. The devs specifically designed the combat system in mind so you don't have to just hack at a big monster's heels a whole fight. Why not have a class or two that can expand on that principle by having some extra agency in the air?
You wanna talk about effects? How about sorcerers filling up the screen with cyclones and meteors? Or those giant ice tendrils they can one shot bosses with?
You wanna talk about how unbalanced your skills are compared to mobs? Mobs can't parry into guaranteed command grabs and then spam that as easily as breathing air, like assassin can. Shit, fighter basically has a wide reaching crowd control command grab he doesn't even need to land a parry to spam.

You cast tornados, meteor showers, earthquakes, and massive blasts of light and darkness by endgame, and some of these have lower equivalents in the basic mage jobs. Claiming DD is grounded even by "Japanese standards" for fantasy is straight blind. Or just very wishful thinking. Go play Kingdom Come Deliverance.

>it doesn't mean the game isn't over the top with its actions and powers.
It's really not. The fact that magic involves standing very still and channeling for long periods of time while hoping nothing taps is 100% on the grounded end of fantasy, especially when it comes to magic.
DD movement and combat mechanics are not whacky.

>DD movement and combat mechanics are not whacky
>*spins in mid air with daggers*

Correct. Your character still is just some dude who runs around and worries about carrying to much rocks in their backpack and runs out of breath and has to take a breather and gets knocked about when getting hit. It's not a whacky action game. I'm not spinning around and filling my combo meter till I get DDD (Dragon's Dogma Destroyer) ranking

>I feel there's some deliberate ignorance of what the magic is actually doing going on with this post. "Grounded magic" would be more Arthurian potion-brewing, charms or hexes, and scrying.
Just a different flavor, alchemy is already in the game anyway. Everything you described is just more classic magic systems.
The "wackiest" magic class is probably Magic Knight since he's got the Spellsword/Gish thing going on, not the Sorcerer/Wizard types.

>DD movement and combat mechanics are not whacky.
*equips dagger vocation*

You finished the spell before getting hit anon, what are you talking about? I'm referring to spell interruption, not the fact that your character can take a hit without instant dying.

You were clearly staggered in the webm, don't know why you are so mad that I'm talking about the fact that's it's easy to get staggered which interrupts casting spells.

In the first point, although the flames are visually hitting you, you have not taken any damage yet, it has not connected. After you take damage, character enters a stagger animation.
It is interesting how there is a solid delay between the visuals and the actual hitbox/hurtbox interaction.

Bro, I never said his spell want interrupted by that attack, I specifically pointed out his spell was never staggered in the first place. I am talking about the fact that when you cast in DD, you do not want to be hit in the middle of channeling because it can interrupt you.
But I'm glad you acknowledge the attack did stagger him.

Anons stagger resist did not help them get the spell off in any way.

> If the point that you're trying to make is that you should be able to do a long slow charge as a ranged class without any sort of cover while enemies attack you with heavy hitting moves, then you're just an idiot.
My entire original point is that yes, you have to worry about this. That's it, I just said you have to worry about the fact that magic is slow and you can get hit and lose your spell. Nothing more.
>Except for the part where Grigori's fire connected and didn't stop the spell from being cast
>ignores what actually happens in the webm
He doesn't take damage when the animation connects, the attack hadn't hit.
Whatever anon, I don't get what ignoring what actually happened in one webm is getting you here, but I'm letting it go because it's not like this is an interesting discussion to burden the thread with.

>If you want to charge up an AoE nuke, then you need to either back off, have a pawn draw enemy attention, or have enough hyper armor to tank through. That's just good game design.
Yes. Yes anon I literally agree and never said anything contrary to this at any point. My entire point was simply that you can't take casting for granted. That's it.

>Who said you could, or suggested that it should work some other way?
No one. If you read the whole reply chain, you will not find anyone arguing that this is a bad thing or be different

>anon says Dragon's Dogma is not grounded
>I say it is, one of my supporting points is that magic takes long and is trick because you can get knocked about
That's all it is.

Okay anon, I get it. You want to argue and you are also legally blind. I will leave you to your schizo world where you definitely cast the spell after taking damage and definitely did not get staggered when you took damage.

In that webm you don't get staggered, in the other one you do, simple as.

>implying
nice weasel tactics

>You think the game is grounded because you can get knocked out of spells and you need to constantly worry about being hit.
And that is still objectively true, so there's no problem. It's not like we don't both play this game, it's not like you don't know this applies to everyone and you have to play a specific hybrid class to escape this outcome and that sorcerer's and mages do have to constantly worry about this to cast their spells.
So since we both know these things, I don't see the point in pretending that my simple statement, which isn't contentious or obscure, is some bizarre out of place point to bring up.
Weaseling around trivial matters like this to try and score points isn't that interesting, especially when you would be better served by switching the statement around slightly.
>the Mystic Knight does not have to worry about stagger with their heavy armor and augments, they also cast spells and them attack them with their weapon, isn't that whacky?
Instead of
>you do not have to worry about being hit while casting a spell
which is just an objectively incorrect statement in Dragon's Dogma. This whole discussion could have been majorly condensed if you weren't so deadest on disagreeing with everything, to the point of ignoring a standard mechanic and even ignoring what happened in the first webm you posted, when the second webm you posted DID actually show what you wanted.

If Itsuno's not stupid he'll let go of vocations entirely and focus on a simpler and more elegant stat system+free ability slotting to avoid the pitfalls of DD/DDO.
Granted they're still pretty different games in purpose and scope, so it's kinda dumb to push a rivalry DD is going to lose hard

>DD movement and combat mechanics are not whacky.
>Double (actually triple) jump
>Anime nothing personnel crossup dashes
>Brainsplitter
>Stepping stone
>Arc of Obliteration
>Anything MK related

Warrior is just such pure moron fun

>I want DD to be yet again brought down by garbage stat systems and also have it repeat Warrior's mistake so I have yet again more unplayable vocations

>hurr durr you no play game because you point out stuff i no like
Considering I already posted webms of me playing it you're patently wrong.
But sure, it's a total mystery why the most popular DD:DA mod is the one that lets you freely assign abilities to classes, and coincidentially the one that salvaged Warrior, a class that was universally reviled because it was literally unfinished.

>If Itsuno's not stupid he'll let go of vocations entirely and focus on a simpler and more elegant stat system+free ability slotting
No. Vocations are the identity of Dragon's Dogma, which is why the game is balanced around classes and not equipping various pieces of equipment like Elden Ring. It would also mean that players take the best skills since the game doesn't use stats leveling, and ruins the concept of using pawns for a balanced party composition.
They should do subclasses with moveset changes acgually, like Fighter having a mace, a sword and a spear subclasses each having its own specific movesets and skills, but still having common traits and skills, like using a shield for defense/offense
No fake vocations with recycled and mixed content

>which is why the game is balanced around classes and not equipping various pieces of equipment like Elden Ring
Except DD has an even bigger focus on equipment since statistically that's what makes the biggest difference, not to mention how completely vertical the equipment progression is anyway but that's another can of worms.
>It would also mean that players take the best skills since the game doesn't use stats leveling
Regardless of how that already happens with the vocation system, you can have linear stat leveling without vocations, so that's a non issue.
Itsuno himself clearly entertained the idea of freely swappable skill and equipment loadouts given how hybrid vocations are a thing and largely recycle skills from their base vocation, which ends up just adding bloat and barely any actual uniqueness in the vocation, granted such a thing does make sense in the context of DDO, but that's an MMO game to begin with, DD is a singleplayer game and there's no reason to insist with such a pointless system, especially when it's designed like garbage.

>absolutely trash opinions across the board
>plays with a mouse and keyboard
Checks out.

Nope. Third person action games are always better on controller.

No he's fricking right. And doing every side quest meant you would breeze through a lot of mid game content and especially instantly kill human bosses.
Dragon's Dogma balance is a complete mess. One of the massive flaws that plagues the game

>Every rpg ever. Literally every single rpg ever.
Outside of the fact that you're wrong DD is an action game, not an RPG, you do not want this to happen especially in an action game, there's no excuse for DD to so incredibly unbalanced at a basic stat level, it's especially noticeable once you play on Hard.

Classes are huge part of the classic fantasy identity, and while people like to play up equipment stats endlessly, levelup stats are still very significant. Try playing Red/Yellow for almost the entire game, and then swap over to pure blue. You are going to be way way weaker.
It's also huge for readability and designing pawns. Imagine trying to figure out what the hell everyone's pawn is doing, or trying to design the AI for pawns when you can't rely on them being consistent in certain playstyles.

It's not like classless systems are inherently bad, but I don't see the benefit in the fantasy romp of Dragon's Dogma where you build teams around their class/role.
Also just simple stuff like restricting equipment by class is so much simpler and cleaner. I see no significant benefit to re-inventing the wheel with DD. At best the mechanics might turn out well (big maybe) but the fantasy and feel will certainly suffer no matter what.

>Try playing Red/Yellow for almost the entire game, and then swap over to pure blue. You are going to be way way weaker.
???
The only core stats that effectively matters is Stamina, equipment does most of the heavy lifting, you can play up to 200 in Ranger and still cheese Bitterblack as a Magick Archer because what little you lose on core offensive stats you gain in Stamina for spamming skills longer, DD's main aim in character building is getting Dragonforged/BB exclusive loot ASAP because your core stats outside of Stamina and maybe Health are almost completely irrelevant when it comes to the actual math that's done behind the scene.
Having BB tier 1 or 2 equipment or even just dragonforged stuff is what makes the big difference for your character, not your character levels.
>I see no significant benefit to re-inventing the wheel with DD
I do, because I do not want the game to be a thinly veiled Godsbane RNG lottery again when it comes to character progression, nor do I want to see another Warrior/High Scepter again, or have previous vocations gutted in order to enable new ones like DDO.

Action games can't be RPGs by definition, no matter how hard you cope about it.

>let go of vocations entirely
No, frick off. Every nu-age game is a classless garbage homogenized for trannies who cannot decide their gender and also cannot decide the class they want to play in games either.
Classes were always there for a reason - to give the player and the other NPCs an identity. Classless systems take that out completely

>Classless systems take that out completely
Dumb opinion, ask yourself why every single class system caved in to hybridization and gibsmedat skill whoring since decades, protip: It's not because they enforce identity

>Outside of the fact that you're wrong DD is an action game, not an RPG,
Bro, no. It's an RPG. RPG Action? Yes. But it is an RPG.
Your point about only stamina mattering is also wrong, I also said "pure blue" not Magic archer. Also just spamming weaker skills really sucks with how damage scaling vs. damage resist works, being able to spam more is not an answer if your damage is under par.

>I also said "pure blue" not Magic archer
MA's core skills run entirely on INT, there's no statistical difference between something like Ricochet Hunter and Maelstrom/Focused Bolt, both run on the same exact core stat, so even if you switch to Sorcerer from a pure 200 levels in strider you're not gonna see a major difference at all, at best you're gonna get some 20% damage boost if you minmax with a "pure" Sorc growth, which doesn't amount to much because again, your equipment does most of the heavy lifting and at those levels you'll kill things so fast you won't even be able to notice it.

In a game with stacking periapts, Magick Rebalancer and enemies that have zero health?
Not at all, you won't see the difference at low levels because the boost is not flat while at high level you still won't see it because you kill things too fast.
If the overall game balance wasn't so whacky and periapts didn't stack, maybe, but the game's not like that.

It doesn't.
Go play the game and see for yourself, I'm not even sure if the effective boost would be a 20%, it's been a while since I looked at DD:DA math, it might be less considering how weapon damage is the bigger multiplier by far in the formula.
Using Ur-Dragon as a test you'll shave one or two skill uses on average, I made several runs with largely different characters in the 150 range and there was no meaningful difference, the game is simply too fricked up by bad math for your core stats to be ever relevant outside of Stamina.
In some cases you might even argue that Stamina is actually a better investment than your core offense stats in fact, think Ranger spamming Tenfold Flurry since the big multihit skills don't benefit much from percentage based damage until 150+ level, when the game is already over and done, which is why things like Strider/Ranger have higher Stamina growth to begin with, because you're supposed to spam a lot of attacks to make up for the low damage multipliers.

>action games cannot be RPGs
NTA, but how the frick did you arrive to that completely moronic conclusion

Action games can't be RPGs because there's no divide between the player and the character, without that you can't have roleplaying, it's as simple as that.

>think Ranger spamming Tenfold Flurry
Ironically, tenfold Ranger is the second-most affected by minmaxing build.
The first is, of course, GC MK.
For other classes, minmaxing isn't as important but it can still matter if you know where to look. For example, Miasma is incomparably more powerful on a minmaxed Sorc compared to a more casual one.
Most multi-hit skills with low damage multipliers tend to benefit from minmaxing a lot because they tend to dance right on the border of enemy defense otherwise.

Plus, the ability to actually do content without consumables is a nice benefit. A "casual" MK can easily end up not being able to deal any damage to Daimon or Death without using periapts or minmaxing augments instead. The latter also means that if you have a character with minmaxed stats, you can afford to have more "utility" augments while keeping enough power to deal with all the content.
And the whole "rich gets richer" thing too. You're limited to 80% increase in damage from augments, and periapts are also multiplicative - if you start with a bigger number, you'll get a proportionally bigger number at the end.

Speaking of neutering your build by negatively minmaxing it (e.g. trying to be a Sorc after 200 red levels or something) - that actually matters quite a bit. You will be able to push it into the "fully playable" territory if you stack up enough of the +Strength/Magik augments but it can easily end up virtually unplayable without them.

>Nah
You literally have no idea what are you talking about.
Unlike you, I actually have a minmaxed MK and I used to have a "casual" MK before. The difference is humongous.
By extension of having a minmaxed MK, I also have a negatively minmaxed Ranger/Strider, weapons for which I had to dragonforge as that's what my pawn used. Tenfold is literally worthless on that character.
>you can just use periapts
is a dumb statement. I can get max Magick, +80% from augments AND use periapts. Being strong is fun. I also have the option of not using periapts, meanwhile, a "casual" MK literally cannot deal damage to Daimon 2 without them.
>What else would you exactly put on your Sorc anyway?
You are thinking about +30% to Magick.
I'm talking about +80% to Magick.
+80% to Magick requires dumb shit like running on low health/not using a pawn/hunting at """night""" - you'll have to pick two out of the three to hit the maximum increase. Either way, only the first 30% are "free".

>casts second canon rather than just going for the parry and nuking him
For what purpose?

https://i.imgur.com/Sd8T82e.jpg

Can this dethrone Elden Ring?

It's possible, but those would be some big numbers. But it could be like TW3 or Elden Ring. Both had reasonably successful and well known predecessors. So the marketing got to start with a fairly good base. Then the devs managed to show off an interesting looking game and bam, mega sales. DD:DA has more sales than the TW2, less than DS3. Seems like DD2 might be in a good position. Guess we'll see when the first couple of trailers come out.

Oh my mistake. Of course that begs the question, why not throw on hallowed riposte and nuke Matt?

>Action games can't be RPGs by definition
Wrong, you fricking moron. have a nice day.
>Dumb opinion, ask yourself why every single class system caved in to hybridization and gibsmedat skill whoring since decades, protip: It's not because they enforce identity
Ah, you're a mentally ill ESLsubhuman. That makes sense.

>action games cannot be RPGs
NTA, but how the frick did you arrive to that completely moronic conclusion

"Free building" fricking sucks ass compared to job/class systems.

I'm not against a vocationless system, but it wouldn't work to DD's proven charms. If you're playing as a lone character and have to prepare for multiple or all different possible situations then a freer class system is ideal. That's not what DD is about though. The vocation system exists as it does so you have to mix up your party and use different pawns. Pawns aren't even allowed to use hybrid classes because it could become too easy to cover every eventuality and stop caring about party makeup.
Class systems might seem clunky, inconvenient and old fashioned, but they're a classic trope of fantasy adventure for a reason. It stops anyone from making a Mary Sue build and encourages team building and play which ends up being more memorable than simply making a 100% capable character. Class/vocation forces deficiencies and a party system lets you compensate for that, which is a massive part of DD's charm. There's a reason we remember our moronic pawns.
>DD is going to lose hard
We cant know that until DD2 is properly revealed. I think that given enough dev time they could make something unique and excellent.

>let go of vocations entirely
No, frick off. Every nu-age game is a classless garbage homogenized for trannies who cannot decide their gender and also cannot decide the class they want to play in games either.
Classes were always there for a reason - to give the player and the other NPCs an identity. Classless systems take that out completely

>the dumb classless cuck thinks DD2 will lose to ER
pottery
gee whiz i think next they should remove jobs from final fantasy
oh wait

vocations arent just for the player character anon, but for the pawns as well, they define inclinations, the personality of the pawn, their abilities, etc.

the vocation system makes pawn data easily transferable from player to player, it is intrinsic to the most defining aspect of the game.

Plus, it also creates roles, which is important in the heavily DnD inspired design of DD

DD's combat is fricking brilliant because it's borderline immsim-tier with how things work. If a mechanic seems like it should work and do something, it probably will. I still see things occasionally that surprise me. My brother was running through BBI with my fighter pawn and was fighting an eliminator. My pawn used antler toss and it caught the eliminator enough to launch him into the air. At the same time, my brother was jumping in to do skull splitter. Because these moves and their effects operated at the same time and were allowed to interact, what happened was my pawn launched it a few feet into the air just as my brother came down and absolutely dunked it into the ground full force. It was beautiful. I just wish he'd had shadowplay on.

I can keep listing all the wild bullshit you do with magic even at low levels and you can keep ignoring it to say it's grounded. I will gleefully go all day with this.

No, there is no "grounded in context of video games," a fricking meteor shower is always in the upper tiers of fantasy magic, even Final Fantasy follows this logic with Meteor and Black Mage.

What you wanted was Comet and Comet2, picking Sephiroth's Super Nova is a bad example when we're talking about things the player can do. Cloud's Meteorain limit break too.

No, dipshit, stick within the scope of your own argument, pulling out Sephiroth's super-flashy final boss attack and then outright ignoring the player equivalent is a bad argument.

Now imagine flying up and cutting the meteor in half. That's where Spirit Lancer and Alchemist come in. It's over the bounds.

I understand what you are saying anon. The other guy is being factious or dense. Dragons Dogmas highest tier of spells or abilities is like an early-mid tier ability in most other JRPGs.

>just go to the designated invading areas and theres lods of nivades!!!
Then you pray anybody's even there + they're using the Dried Finger equivalent or have a co-op phantom with them because of ER making invasions opt-in. Or use Cheat Engine and force yourself into online sessions I guess, but that's par with that squeaky homosexual that made videos about how he could "ban your account" by setting your grace to a nonexistent one in Roundtable that got patched out.

you shat it, you talked about four belfries/church of inhibition and you're pretending you didn't

>There aren't "community-designated" ones, whatever that's supposed to mean, anyway
do you not remember oolacile
they're talking about fight clubs anon

Did you or did you not bring up Volcano Manor, Four Belfries and Church of Inhibition? The community-designated invading battlefields?
>use Cheat Engine and force yourself into online sessions
Malcolm Reynolds and other squeaky teenagers were doing this. Please refrain from "you didn't play the game" accusations.

Actually, that's exactly what I'm asking for.

All I know is that it's from an ancient mine in Mexico.

>When you travel in Dragon's Dogma, you will find points of interest just the same, and also random monstrosities and boss style enemies
I remember when I went past the Black Fort after stopping the goblins and I fricking SHIT myself when I saw a Dragon just hanging out

Then we must concede that both Elden Ring and Dragon's Dogma's worlds are good. I love going through Dragon's Dogma and finding Griffins,Chimera, and Dragons, but let's not pretend Elden Ring doesn't have overworld bosses too. And my problem with the dungeons in DD is that they are simple, low level, easy, and linear caves mostly. No greater or less than any of the side catacombs and mines in Elden Ring, and I'd even argue there's a few of those that are better like the cliffside one. Bluemoon Tower is the only structure though and I had already been there by the time the Griffin quest came around.

I don't really care about quests at all in games, I want to explore, dangerous layers, fight monsters and and find treasure. DD has two endgame dungeons where you can do this and they are both a series copy/paste combat rooms. Not even comparing to Elden Ring, but just to other fantasy games. Do you really think Dragon's Dogma has good dungeons?

You argue against your own points in this post.
>but let's not pretend Elden Ring doesn't have overworld bosses too
Very rarely within how huge the game is, and once again, the main issue is always teleport all the time and your mount just riding past everything.

>And my problem with the dungeons in DD is that they are simple, low level, easy, and linear caves mostly. No greater or less than any of the side catacombs and mines in Elden Ring, and I'd even argue there's a few of those that are better like the cliffside one.
Yes, these are the parts that Souls game did excellently, that Elden Ring then dragged into an open world for no benefit. The best parts of Elden Ring are the dungeons and traditional levels.

>I want to explore, dangerous layers, fight monsters and and find treasure. DD
Well Dragon's Dogma has better exploration and treasure, ESPECIALLY the treasure. Elden Ring treasure is extremely bad, with consumables and materials that you don't care about, and all the weapons and magic that because you cannot readily switch classes like in Dragon's Dogma and don't have a clean simplistic upgrade system, are mostly a pure drag and feels like a wave of useless loot.

>Do you really think Dragon's Dogma has good dungeons?
That said, returning to this, Bitter Black is an amazing awesome dungeon, so yes. And that's a big big big dungeon, with lots of time spent their and replay value.

You just keep praising the not open world segments of Elden Ring. Most of the dungeons you find through exploring are not memorable, that's the problem, a bloated open world that is filled with shit and should have been cut down to the actual good parts.
An enjoyable open world is enjoyable at all points of exploration with high lights thrown in. Elden Ring turns into a mush with high lights thrown in, it's poorly designed, very unbalanced in the quality of its content.
Elden Ring is the overambitious game that fell on its face, DD is a game that is rushed, but stuck with interesting and engaging elements so while you know things are clearly missing as you play, you aren't trudging through included content that is bland or a bore. (except for the opening, definitely not well executed, but also not a symptom of the open world).

If DD was a 7, Elden Ring would be a 5.5. But It wouldn't use those nonsense numbers in the first place.

No I don't really see your point. Exploring Sens fortress was an absolute trip. Getting there was not easy, I had to go cover two large parts of the game first. Navigating was interesting and difficult. Where I went afterwards as a direct result was awesome.
Arriving at Stormveil castles was not that interesting. I had a path that I mostly road my horse up. There were some battles in the way, but I had zero reason to fight them, many of them I just road past.
Once I got to Stormveil and fought Morgot, then things got good. The benefits of all that other shit? Non existent, just huge extra spaces that eventually dragged me down more and more as I slogged through the bloated world and become completely tired of it.

So you have the big open world of Elden Ring vs. Dark Souls 1. Elden Ring is bigger, and it's more "opener" and that fricking sucks. The tighter world design of Dark Souls, of Darks Souls 2, hell even Dark Souls 3, made for a much more interesting journey, and Dragon's Dogma also has a superior designed open world that does feel like a drag and doesn't overstay it's welcome that I enjoy navigating.

Your point about teleport in has nothing to do with anything, you don't need an a big open world to not just 'teleport in' like it's megaman as you put it.

>DD is the greatest 7/10 game ever
Literal moron opinion. No one who says this has anything of worth to say after games.

The only good dragon fight in the game, also on of the best vidya dragon fights period.
>Dragon's Dogma is fine though
Correct. Also I am mostly talking about all the enemies too, but yeah, you can throw overworld bosses in there, it's just the same.

god the dragons in ER are so fricking dogshit
actually all the overworld bosses in ER are fricking dogshit now that I think about it

>Fricking nonsense.
Not nonsense at all. I can find upgrade materials that I actually will need and since you are going to upgrade multiple items throughout the game, this is very useful, just from engaging with the different enemies in the world, and GOLD is a common loot that is also extremely useful and I'm always happy to find, and since you can always switch vocations, any gear you find is actually useful/usable, instead of another weapon you 100% never touch and throw into the pile.

>All consumables in Elden Ring are extremely useful

You're lying. Pointing that out is an argument.

>All consumables in Elden Ring are extremely useful,
lol
lmao, even
>every consumable is a high tier perfurmer item!
No.

Lmao lying homosexual, common enemy loot is sold en masse to clear the inventory

>"Haha I'm going to regurgitate stuff I saw on Ganker that one time!"
Neat.

>board where 90% of bump limit threads are porn and/or polshit doesn't like playing videogames that don't involve porn and/or polshit
cuhrazy

hmm i clicked it and it just werked
not sure why it's trying to redirect you to nitro

might be it after all, FWIW discord doesn't actually do anything with a phone number it asks from you, it only checks if it's a valid phone number that can receive SMS for verification purposes

https://www.mediafire.com/file/42bsddc2nnp2g0m/Version_update-378-2-0.rar/file
eh here i combed through and found the download for world difficulty anyways
>Install after the Cyclops Encampment fight or after creating your own pawn.

What the frick are you doing anon. Because it sure isn't playing Dragon's Dogma.

>Or you could do the low level areas when you're at a low level
Kudos. you just explained why the open world is fricking pointless you mongoloid moron. Man I bet your mother regrets not aborting you that's what I bet.

Oh yeah I sure love being forced to choose between doing sidequests or having enemies put up any form of challenge you moronic mongoloid.
lmao i won shot da birdie haha that's so worth rendering large portions of the game (that the game even forced you to retread) worthless bloat.

"Player choice"
If that's what passes for player choice in your book you must be beyond fat moronic mongoloid.

>In which order
As in "do all the sidequests nd trivialise the maingame" or "do the maingame or lock yourself out of the sidequests"? Some player choice you have there. Or, in the original release "place your portcrystal on the cliff so you don't have to trek through the woods another fricking time" or "place your portcrystal on the right of the map so you don't have to trek through the plains another fricking time"?
>How you resolve quests
Is this meant to be a rewording of the above or is it literally referencing what are mostly dialogue choices in like 2 of them where you can give a forgery and/or lie or some shit, or miss the party hat shit?

By all means show me your Black moron reasoning, I am fascinated.

>"Talk to people and find quests at various parts of the game and do them as you see fit.
Oh, you mean "run through the fricking mountain path and forest trail again to go back to the beach to check if coz wants me to fetch him a fish"?
>but why don't u do level appropriate areas at the correct levellllllllllllllll
I have settled it. Half mongoloid, half Black, all fat moron.

You couldn't read the time off a digital clock you double Black person

>you just explained why the open world is fricking pointless
That's not what he did at all. Are you one of those morons who hates choices or optional content and multiple paths in games?