can we talk about the story and gameplay of FF8 just once before we die?
can we talk about the story and gameplay of FF8 just once before we die?
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can we talk about the story and gameplay of FF8 just once before we die?
>*does literally everything wrong*
>*gets away with it*
I guess no one cares enough to try him for war crimes. Also, I can't believe this fool based his life goal around the plot of a movie.
>I can't believe this fool based his life goal around the plot of a movie.
isnt that what most people do though? get the job, get the girl, die
A movie starring the dad of the kid he bullied.
He's just a kid! He's got his whole life ahead of him!
It's the best jrpg ever made
>can we talk about it
>doesn't start the discussion
Why does this site have so many weirdos like this? I bet OP won't even reply again .
Not OP but I do that shit all the time when I get drunk. I’ll start like 8 threads and never come back to any of them
I'm playing the ragnarok mod. Just got past the tomb. Shit is hard but fun.
chud game
Go have a nice day
it was dumb everyone had memory loss even if you never used a gf
All of them except Irvine had trained in using GFs before the game began. That's why Quetzcoatl is in your computer and why they have experience using magic.
if you skip getting them from the computer then quistis hands quetzcoatl and shiva to you. Also isn't it the more you use it the worse the memory loss is? I just don't see how trainees would be getting long term exposure to them and Quistis should show signs before anyone else but instead it's just a blanket plot device
Squall is 17 and has been at Garden since he was, what, 11? 12? They've had months of GF use at the very least.
If it was even a year or two of use and then your whole childhood is forgotten that a pretty big coverup and how could nobody notice
>coverup
"GF use deletes your memories" is right there on Squall's computer. Besides which, we're talking about an independently funded child soldier school and mercenary army here. Nobody stopped NORG and Robin Williams making three of the goddamn things so they clearly don't care.
>"GF use deletes your memories" is right there on Squall's computer.
but that was dismissed as bullshit
ALL rumors in JRPGs are true. How new are you?
It wasn't, they just say that the link hasn't been proven. GF usage was very unique to Balamb's SeeD program and that in itself is extremely exclusive. They don't know the full effect because it just hasn't been tested that much.
i still say its bullshit. like, its not like just squall lost a few memories. literally everyone did. and they lost a lot of them. sounds like something super easy to confirm. how would it even be a rumor if nobody knew? the game devs obviously put that in there to foreshadow the plot but its nonsensical.
Balamb is the only Garden still using GFs specifically BECAUSE of the memory loss rumor. Which NORG is suppressing within Balamb because they want their soldiers to be good and strong, memories be damned.
>like, its not like just squall lost a few memories. literally everyone did. and they lost a lot of them.
They lost 10+ year old memories, the kind of memories that you wouldn't notice at all. You're painting a picture of them being looney amnesiacs, but that's just not true.
i can remember shit from when i was 6 years old. I would be extremely upset if i suddenly couldnt remember my friends from 5 fucking years ago.
to the average retard that has the memory span of a goldfish, this probably seems like some kind of crazy mystery but to people with functioning brains it's a retarded concept.
My parents used to have a neighbor watch me and my brother after school until they got home from work, and that neighbor had a bunch of other kids stay at her house for the same purpose. I can't remember literally ANY of them despite playing together every single school day. I remember playing the PS1 and N64 with them, but not their names or faces. This was like 20-25 years ago now but I'm also not under the influence of a fucking mind-eating monster.
We're not talking about friends from 5 years ago, we're talking about friends from 12 years ago when the characters were five years old. If you can remember all of your friends from when you were five years old, you have extraordinary memory, didn't have many friends, or are too young to be on this website.
I guess I forgot about the rumor being in the computer tutorial. I still think it's dumb that whatever minor gf usage before the story starts completely erases their memories
It's not complete, it's just their childhood. Faint, distant memories.
if they were in their 70s or 80s it would be more understandable but none of them are even close to being 30 yet
but they used the gf's which do that. in real life you'd maybe lose your memories by that age if you get dementia but this is gf induced early memory loss. it's completely believable within the setting
Can they make a remaster that unfucks the gameplay?
I named Rinoa Trapkun because he is in fact a male.
>military drums intensify
>before we die
uh oh
the absolute KINO of trigger-attacks on renzokuken
Best girl in all of Final Fantasy
You’re an idiot. Read
she's the worst girl of her own game
But she's so cute. The only other girl I've seen is the blonde and she doesn't do it for me.
was Seifer actually an autistic incel or is Squall in denial about his used-goods girl?
>or is Squall in denial about his used-goods girl?
The removed scene on the Ragnarok shows he knows she's used goods, but doesn't care, because it's the past and not the present.
Seifer copied his fighting stance, victory animation and "romantic dream" from that film Laguna made where he had to actually kill a Ruby Dragon on set. There's no way his penis got anywhere near Rinoa.
when did they make a film in the game?
why did the game have such ugly backgrounds
Story? The main plot falls apart at disc 3 and the romance is developed so poorly that I thought it was the worst love story of the entire series, then FFXV came along.
Gameplay? Having to draw all your spells and not level up was a fucking chore
The 7 part remake is going to be so good!
just give me ai upscaled pre-rendered backgrounds
Which is supposed to look good
Fantastic game. But the memes are true. I rmemeber the first playthrough I did getting stuck on the Seifer boss fight near the end of disk 2 or 3. Just couldn't beat him. No clue how to properly use the junction system, even that far into the game. That has never happened to me in any other JRPG. I was 13 years old.
They made the tutorials impossible to skip when they localized the game and your dumbass still didn't read them. That's a you issue, not a game issue.
I did read them. I didn't fully understand it. Not alone in that, at all.
Everyone I've seen say they don't understand it has been honest and either admitted that they didn't pay attention or were just stupid except for you.
Seriously, go look at the tutorial at the start of the game again. It's braindead simple to understand.
Then me and everyone I knew who played the game was stupid. Or it really isn't that clear and even if you do read the tutorial, which trust me, we all did, you are totally left in the dark about how to effectively use it. That is, yeah you know how to draw and junction but you don't know how to actually become powerful. And it was a really common problem people had with the game in the early days. Especially when there was not much information available. No gamefaqs, etc
>there was not much information available. No gamefaqs
lmao look at this poorfag who didn't get the Official Prima Strategy Guide with his purchase
>no gamfaqs
lol yes there was
OK no one knew about it then. The point stands. To be good at the game you need to work out certain tricks to make yourself powerful. And just reading the tutorials, you haven't a clue. You have to synthesise cards, keep a stock of 100 of certain spells which can only be found in certain places, prioritise certain skills on your GFs and stuff. It takes ages to naturally learn to use the system which is unusual for a JRPG.
it only takes ages if you mash buttons, skip reading and don't pay attention. Also how hard it is to compare "if I junction x spell I get 28 strength but y spell I get 53 strength"
>if I junction x spell I get 28 strength but y spell I get 53 strength
Technically you don't even need to do that, the in-game encyclopedia explains which stat each magic should be junctioned to.
Where doss it say in the tutorial that you need to try to unlock the stat junction abilities with your GFs as soon as possible and junction 100 of certain spells to those stats and turn cards into those spells if you can't get them, and doing this is the difference between being underpowered and being completely overpowered? It doesn't. And you obviously have the benefit of hindsight. To the new player it was overwhelming and you had an information deficit
I was 10 when it came out and had no problems using my eyes and noticing that more spells = more stats.
Everyone noticed that but what was easy to not get was:
1. Which spells are best for which stat
2. Which abilities to first unlock on your GFs
3. Whether to keep spells in stock or use them
Also you could miss GFs entirely. I didn't got Brothers on my first playthrough. 8 think he has one of the few str junction abilities. There goes your physical attack for an entire character.
That's literally all of the fun in an RPG system, experimenting and building characters the way you want to.
Shiva and Ifrit also have strength junction, as well as Pandemona and Cerberus who are both missable. But if you were really desperate you could just buy the scroll from an item shop to teach a GF strength junction.
It sounds like you just hate RPGs.
>it sounds like you just hate RPGs
I said it's a fantastic game. It just does have a kind of cryptic system. It's hard to understand at first. It's strange you find that controversial. And I fucking bet you did not play it on release.
I'm nta you're bickering with, but I did play it on release. I didn't have any issues with the junction system whatsoever, it was far from cryptic as you called it. I was 7 dude, it just sounds like you might have had an attention span/reading level issue. Is English your first language, can you read?
>what was easy to not get was:
>1. Which spells are best for which stat
Are you retarded?
Do you really think Haste being the best spell for SPD or Shell being the best spell for M-DEF is fucking arcane quantum rocket science?
>2. Which abilities to first unlock on your GFs
None of those matter, they only thing you want is unlocking stat junction, the game is Limit Break spam and everything else is useless
>3. Whether to keep spells in stock or use them
Oh yeah you are even more retarded than the retards who designed this piece of shit game
>the only thing you want is unlocking stat junction
How did you know that?
Thanks for proving my point.
You're dumped into the game and given a zillion choices. That's awesome and daunting at the same time. And for the first time player it can mean you get deep into the game without unlocking or drawing what you need.
>How did you know that?
By playing the fucking game, it's insanely evident in the very first tutorial dungeon with Ifrit since Renzokuken already vastly out DPS everything else, by the time you get to Dollet it's impossible to ignore.
>You're dumped into the game and given a zillion choices
What choices?
You're not even allowed to choose your fucking equipment, damn you're stupid
Not him but in my first playthrough at age 12 I realised that I should unlock stat junctions first, I used draw for all my magic instead of refining it, but it was pretty clear that more junctions = more good, in the endgame I had every stat junctioned for all three party members
>1. Which spells are best for which stat
good thing it was easy to compare them
>2. Which abilities to first unlock on your GFs
this is the only obscure part of the junction system
>3. Whether to keep spells in stock or use them
if you use a spell you'll lose like maybe 1-3 stat points. Better to use it and and not give a shit about that tiny fraction of reduced stat and stock back up later, or only use spells you aren't going to cast for junctioning if you're that much of an autist.
>I didn't got Brothers on my first playthrough. 8 think he has one of the few str junction abilities
Brothers has HP, not STR. Of the three GFs that have innate STR+ abilities you get Ifrit guaranteed and you have to fight Bahamut himself rather than draw him from a boss. Any other GF you miss can be drawn from the bosses in Ultimecia's castle at the end of the game.
I could understand a 5 year old not understanding right away but if you really can't work out that kind of simple shit then you are retarded. Let me guess you first played and didn't pay attention, cried about being underpowered to you grinded levels and then kept dying because enemies had level scaling
The junction system is notorious for being kind of cryptic to a new player. For someone without much information, back then, no Internet, no one to ask, it was hard to understand. And it's really not strange. I guess you're very perceptive - well done. But again literally no one I knew managed to grasp the system at the time until second playthroughs. So if I'm retarded then so is your average person.
>I did getting stuck on the Seifer boss fight near the end of disk 2 or 3. Just couldn't beat him.
You couldn't beat Seifer? All of his boss fights are laughably easy. It actually hurts his reputation as the rival character.
Yeah. But a lot of people who played the game later have the benefit of knowing even before playing that the junction system is a challenge and that you have to focus on it. For me back then playing it for the first time, I just went with the flow and was fighting him with barely any stat junctions, without 100 stock of spells, etc.
>You couldn't beat Seifer? All of his boss fights are laughably easy. It actually hurts his reputation as the rival character.
bosses scale on your level, the game developer's intention being that you presumably pulled more magic spells to junction the more you grinded so monster stats increase in proportion to the average amount of magic you would have available.
however the reality is different. You can pull as much magic as you want, both from monsters, and from cards, and you can be insanely strong at a low level, and inversly you can be insanely weak at a higher level if you didnt understand the system and either abstained from drawing magic or simply relied too heavily on spells in combat and ran out.
i remember my first playthrough, i basically spammed gfs the whole time and grinded levels when i was bored. I didnt know/understand the level scaling and treated the game like a regular jrpg. By the time i got to the end game bosses they had like a billion hp and I was still doing 100-1000 dmg, shit was retarded as fuck. If i hadnt accidently turned one of my cards into 100 'u r invulbneral xD' potions i would have never beaten the game.
>bosses scale on your level
They have a fixed minimum and maximum level unlike random encounters
did Rinoa actually love Squall? or is it just incel cope
I just beat FF7 for the first time last year and thought it was a legit masterpiece, so should I play this after I beat Yakuza?
Yes
I feel like it was too easy.
Enemies scaling with you never made you feel that strong.
Island Closest to Heaven and Island Closest to Hell monsters would fuck you up at any level.
Yet it still was a simply EXTREMELY FUN game.
My favorites where the optional world map secrets, like the place where you get bahamut. I wish there would have been more spots.
The Junction system is complete dogshit. Having to farm magic from enemies or play 2000 games of triple triad to convert the cards is just dogshit design. Even if you argued that the junction system was good in principle so you can break it and become OP for the rest of the game with an hour or two of grinding.
I agree. People say they love it because you can break it and cheese the game but that’s inherently shit design then
Nah, it's great design. You can get through the game with some difficulty by completely ignoring junction or you can grind magic for like half an hour to never have to worry about the game being difficult until you hit the very end. You have options for making yourself overpowered if you want or you can just do the bare minimum of improving your characters to keep pace with the game. It's all about giving the player options.
>convert the cards
Bruh you convert items
Yeah, so sorry, my bad senpai. Convert cards to items to then convert to magic.
Convert the items that you get from killing enemies, which you do because you aren't a monkey following a guide that told you to grind encounter-none because the person writing the guide hates the game.
You buy a bunch of Cottages and turn them into 100 Curagas
While the junction system wasn't as good as the systems in 7 or 9, it was serviceable, and once you realised that drawing magic was for chumps and that you could just refine items it was great
>gameplay
What is the proper way to play this game without exploiting cards and low level?
Yes, they both suck
>Story is completely inconsistent garbage
>gameplay is trivial before you even break it and even more trivial after you break it
How the fuck can people not understand the junctions. There's even an auto junction button. What the fuck.
it's called "getting the spells is a pain in the ass"
>killing enemies
that would level you up and 8 level scales
>that would level you up and 8 level scales
Which isn't nearly as big a deal as people want it to be. Plus it has benefits, as higher level monsters drop better items which refine into better magic.
so can someone chadpill me on the ending of the story? did Squall take them back in time and save seifer from being an ass or?
There's nothing to redpill about. The time loop closed with the death of Ultimecia and Edea inheriting her powers. They went back to their own time after Rinoa saved Squall. All of the discs still happened as portrayed.
why did they let Seifer get away with his crimes, then?
Predestination loop, anon. He had to do what he did to fill his part of Ultimecias downfall. He was always going to have done those things. It's literally his place in history.
In my headcanon this is why Squall survives the ice spear to the chest, and also why the Ragnarok just conveniently floats nearby when they're lost in space. The universe is keeping him alive to close the loop.
No one cared enough to bring him in, I guess.
He was more influenced by Edea/Ultimecia than willfully wanting to fight the world. His "romantic dream" was twisted and taken advantage of by Ultimecia's mind powers.
then why did he give squall a scar?
Because he's a cunt
because he's a competitive dickhead
*filters you*
First thing I did in the game was solo this bro with Squall.
>Junction 100 Death Spells to Status attacks
>OP asks to talk about the story
>people actually being respectful and discussing the story
Well shit.
He looks more like Cloud than Squall. He should get his money back.
>squall
>anime character
Journalism, folks
did anyone else try to act like and dress like Squall and never get a girlfriend despite imitating him so hard?
I did it because I thought it was badass, not really to attract girls. I even had a griever necklace. Highschool me was cringe.
Idk. My personality was a mix of Squall and Sasuke. I even made the uwu face IRL and never got a GF
>personality
I took from Kamina later on. 10 years later and remnants of both still linger.
>Want to play it again after like 6 years
>Gonna pirate the remasted version, they say is shit but...
>Is a very BIG piece of shit, the worst remaster i ever see, the models are ok at least but, paying for that? Yeah no fucking way, maybe for like 1 dollar and even is a robbery
>Oh, the comunity made mods, like the moguri one for FFIX, gonna give a try, the game look nice with the mods
>Install all, not working, ok maybe i do something wrong, install all over again, nothing, wtf?
>Go to chud forum where the mods are "Sorry, if you have a pirate copy of the game the mods dont gonna work, please buy the game to show support"
>Support for what? Make the worst remaster ever?
Yeah, i fucking hate modder, they are all a buch of little gays, i will never play FF VIII again in my life, i not gonna pay for that lazy shit of remaster, and dont want to play the original neither because is a buggy mess
The whole "No use pirate :(" shit is so fucking asinine. They really don't get it at all. Seeing it in that Bits 'N Pieces thread earlier pissed me off, and so does this shit.
bros nobody is going to put out a mod for a big game like FF and say it's totally cool to use on pirate versions. TTW for New Vegas does the same thing and it's a crock of shit they say to make sure Bethesda never has reason to take the mod down.
Is Adel a woman. She is my fantasy
Adel is STILLHEREBRINGMETHEREIWILLNEVERLEYOUFORGETABOUTME
>that foreshadowing
yes
its impossible for sorceresses to be anything but women
Sure it's all awful. Drawing is a terrible system due to it taking too long in the early game and never being fun at any point, being able to bypass it with cards doesn't absolve the game of any of that sin. GF's are cool but too long, I love the limit breaks but they're they make near everything else pointless. The story is stupid though I still like Ultimecia in concept, Squall is lame, Rinoa is cute, Quistis is hot. I haven't played this game in over 20 years god i'm old.
junction system was retarded, level scaling was retarded, asian-faced-heroes was retarded. Give me western fantasy final fantasy and not cyberpunk final fantasy. Monsters come from the moon? Cool. We have a space ship? Nice. We dont get to kill monsters on the moon with our space ship because MUH LOVE for sideways witch pussy? Fuck right off. I wanna stab a mf witch right in her big witch tiddies.
>Wanting to talk about FF8 instead of FF10 is a very Al Bhed thing to do ya?
>you will never eat the hot dogs at Balamb Garden
I first played this game in March 2021 as part of my going through the series that year. Nice game. I got a nice nostalgic vibe even as I was playing it. Dim battle system that takes a little bit of time getting used to, but the look and feel of the world is very nice. I had fun playing it and it greatly put me at ease.
are my two favourite tracks. Fisherman's Horizon is so good I just had to stop a while and listen to it before continuing. This game is too good for the scum on this board.
Was rinia a virgin or not?
Women are never virgins.
Never finished the game. I think the last thing I remember was the big bad bitch was invading the school or something like that. Someone spoil me. Was Laguna future Squall?
Laguna is his dad.
How'd he make such a loser?
By abandoning his waifu before he knew she was pregnant.
>abandoning his waifu
damn, and here I thought Laguna was pretty cool
Initially it was for a good cause, Ellone had been kidnapped. But then after he saved her, he sent her home alone and stayed in the country that kidnapped her because they made him fucking president. After that, his wife dies and Ellone and Squall become orphans.
>they made him fucking president
After saving the world by banishing Adel to space, mind you.
After pushing Adel.
All the geniuses in Esthar couldn't think of that.
I mean all he did was push Adel, it's not like it was his plan or his machines.
Look he got shit done that's all that matters.
Sorceresses in Esthar before Laguna: 1
Sorceresses in Esthar after Laguna: 0
>before we die
Is something going on that I need to know about?
Did they explained why laguna closed that futuristic city? I cant remember
You're telling me this bitch worshiped his rival's dad?
You know what's weird? The reason there's no radios and tv broadcasts is because they put Adel in space.
Which was after all of the Laguna flashbacks.
So why do we never see Laguna use a radio or watch a tv? It would've been a neat little detail for the lore-savvy players to notice.