>and normal people don't let youtubers dictate their tastes for them.
Castlevania 64 was received well at release. Not perfect, but it was released well. It was ecelebs like AVGN who started the >Castlevania 64 is... LE BAD
which dictated most of the internet's opinion of the games.
Most people never played it and just go off popular consensus. I tried it a few years ago expecting it to be trash and I actually enjoyed every minute of it and finished it. Actually good game with great atmosphere. Camera is not even a problem. However most people will not give it a fair shake and will quit as soon as something goes wrong because lol bad game.
>popular consensus of CV64 is that it sucks because AVGN didnt like it >popular consensus is now mixed to favorable because some new youtuber liked it
im so sick of this shit please form your own opinion. Why do people only just regurgitate what a youtuber told them? Why can a single youtuber even have the power to determine what is liked on the internet anyways
I only did Reinhard. The only control issues I remember is grabbing onto ledges being weird and the fact you cannot move while locked on. I remember having to constantly hop and attack. The sword is a godsend.
Stage-wise, castle center is easily the worst. Clock tower was the best. Final boss goes down way too fast if you have max whip.
The game is decent. I really wish they built upon it. It's the only one (haven't done Legacy) that truly felt like a 3d Castlevania.
>be a kid >see ads for this >almost always showing off the first area with the big skeleton boss >all enemies are skeletons >everything is drab and brown >looks boring, no interest in playing it >finally play it years later >it’s actually a lot of fun once you get into the castle and start seeing more interesting locations
I feel like I missed out as a kid. It’s a decent game for its time
It was the best 3D CV in terms of level design and you actually get to fricking kill vampires who can infect you with vampirism. Cool day/night cycle on LoD, different character scenarios. If the camera and controls weren’t ass (because Jap devs are more concerned with shit cameras than to make them usable for the player) it would’ve been so much better.
The platforming needed some desperate camera control. Other than that, its what Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness could’ve taken inspiration from.
LoD put camera control on the D-pad. It's pretty useless on original hardware, but on an emulator with the D-pad mapped to the right stick it works pretty well.
It was too hard for me as an early teenager and I SotN set the bar way too high. Looking back it's probably an okay game, but not nearly on the same level as SotN. Of course we know today that almost nothing is on the level of SotN, but that's hindsight.
I'm glad this game's reputation is being rehabilitated. When I played it back in the day, I thought it was amazing and everyone else I knew who had an N64 liked it as well. We live in a world that's big enough where you can like both Castlevania 64 and Symphony of the Night.
it all started when AVGN made a video about it in a time before people realized he just sucks at videogames in general, even worse when it's 3d. So he made a video hating the game and a bunch of children that haven't even touched an N64 believed him
It's a game that had the guts to tell players playing on Easy difficulty to go back to the start of the game and do it again on Normal. Games certainly aren't quite so based like that anymore.
THIS, i grew up thinking that the 64 Castlevanias as well as Mega man 64 (or legends series in general) were bad games because of camera controls.
The boomers in gaming magazines who couldnt get over Megaman 2 or Castlevania 3 always took opportunity to shit these games, i mean those games are great but this 3D ones were step in the right direction, Super Mario 64 had also flaws and change the gameplay from the 2D games to be able to be on 3D yet probably Nintendo payed so everyone wanted it.
That guy was pretty spot on in his analysis, but his 'Ben Shapiro and PragerU' comment was fricking cringe. I got that he was a leftist, but he was being good about being apolitical about it, but for some reason he had to shoehorn in that remark.
I'm more than aware, but he made other lefty-tier jokes and boasted how cool it was that Alucard is bi, so I know he only hated Ben and Prager for moronic reasons.
Unlike us.
Just because one game is better doesn't mean the other is shit. Maybe you could accept that if you'd stop living on Ganker.
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>dude magazine reviews said the game's good!
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Can you produce more reviews that show reviewers trended towards a high score or is your argument based upon a single cherry picked review?
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Yes I can
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Yes, Castlevania 64 ranged from average to good reviews. Far from the garbage game you have claimed it is. It was never known as a bad game during its era.
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that's a SOTN review anon
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>UK mag
There's your problem
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> Super Marion 64. > 10.
Oh yeah, that looks like a really reliable, independent news outlet. Yep.
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Shut up hipster.
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lol. Dude, Zelda is THE hipster franchise. Frick off, clown.
64 magazines always hyped up everything as the second coming regardless of quality. I remember all the hype about Megaman 64 but none of them ever mentioned it was a port of a ps1 game from like 1997 that nobody played.
I never would have known about the sequel/s though so in a roundabout way Capcom's plan worked.
The magazine i read as a kid did hype it up but only because Mega man was finally arriving to the console and the reviewers loved Mega man.
But once it arrived they hated it because they named 64 like it was a new game, because it was a 4 year old port and they didnt fixed the dpad for controls, also for the time the console already had games like Majora's mask, perfect dark, Banjo tooie or DK64 that had fixed camera controls issues.
They never did more promotion for it not guides or tricks bugs, also because the Gamecube was months away and the N64 was a dying console.
>popular consensus of CV64 is that it sucks because AVGN didnt like it >popular consensus is now mixed to favorable because some new youtuber liked it
im so sick of this shit please form your own opinion. Why do people only just regurgitate what a youtuber told them? Why can a single youtuber even have the power to determine what is liked on the internet anyways
They aren't even actual influencers, they are just some homie making an overly long video on some old game and then it changes how everyone on the internet views the game. People just flock to others opinions because they are too stupid to come up with their own. It's why so many people see a review of a game and instead of judging if they think it will be worth their time, they just blindly listen to whoever is speaking and then parrot those thoughts.
This was my first Castlevania.
I was also going through puberty at the time and seeing up the skirt of that girl character made my pepe feel funny.
I liked it.
Frick that moronic ass fall 2ft and explode part.
>pretty decent
To zoomers that passes their incredibly low bar of "I had fun", but it actually means it's mediocre bordering on bad and there's 10,000 better games you could play.
>why do people hate it?
They didn't. The PS2 ones are way more controversial.
It's perfectly fine. Like a lot of 3D 5th gen games the biggest issues are just performance and fighting the camera. But that was every second fricking game.
For a lot of 5th gen games you just have to accept the growing pains into the third dimension and adapt to it. To people newer to video games I can understand why they'd be unwilling to adapt to these older games. Personally I don't mind, there is plenty of fun to be found in 5th gen games.
As long as you know what you're getting into and are willing to compromise on today's expectations for snappy camera movement, nothing should grind on your nerves too much and yeah, plenty of fun and neat ideas that you just don't see around anymore.
Just a matter of expectations management.
its atmosphere carries it pretty hard, the controls and camera arent good and some parts are kinda frickin gay. not the worst castlevania but its certainly below mid tier
Because Reinhardt's dual tower level is basically everything wrong with early 3D platforming.
>Can't see in front of you half the time >Camera refuses to turn forcing you to guess where platforms are off a sheer cliff >One wrong move= instant death >Despite save points littered everywhere else in the game, there are no save points between the end of castle center and the end of the Tower of Execution.
Oh, and we'll pour on four mini boss fights just as an extra frick you.
This was the stage that filtered me as a kid, I could finish the game with Carrie but never Reinhardt. I should really go back and give it another shot.
Not Curse of Darkness. Went in very biased towards it and was still let down. Just boring, dead straight, strangely oversized hallways as far as the eye can see.
Castlevania 64 was always considered a decent game, only after tubers memed it did things change, and then only from people that never played it.
Now things are returning back to normal.
>slidy movement that is antithetical to the series staple purposeful methodical movement >game is still level based in spite of having long levels like the mansion >platforming that is complete shit because of slidy movement and inprecise ledge grabbing
The game has the best intro menu of any Castlevania game and has some actual nice designs, but overall it's shit and shows that the creators had no clear vision other than attempt to make in 3d, they failed miserably and their failure has lead to us living in a world where Castlevania has never been accurately translated into 3d.
I always wanted to play the game as a kid reading about it in magazines but I just never did, I eventually played it as an adult and it was shit, so bad.
Shut the frick up
Because it's a mediocre game and normal people don't let youtubers dictate their tastes for them.
A lot of people let YouTubers and reviewers decide it was bad 2D Castlevania game.
>and normal people don't let youtubers dictate their tastes for them.
Castlevania 64 was received well at release. Not perfect, but it was released well. It was ecelebs like AVGN who started the
>Castlevania 64 is... LE BAD
which dictated most of the internet's opinion of the games.
One for the original release
a guy from youtube probably said it was bad
yeah but the other one said he was wrong and its actually good
I fricking love it along with LoD. The light horror elements really add a lot to them, especially the kino intro for LoD.
Most people never played it and just go off popular consensus. I tried it a few years ago expecting it to be trash and I actually enjoyed every minute of it and finished it. Actually good game with great atmosphere. Camera is not even a problem. However most people will not give it a fair shake and will quit as soon as something goes wrong because lol bad game.
Who's that e-girl anyway?
Carrie Fernandez. The superior Castlevania e-girl. IGA still needs to pay for pretending she doesn't exist
We need to bring her back!
The easy mode of the game, she has lock on projectile attacks that make most of the game a cake walk.
haha, look at them go!
It's kind of shit but at least playing Carrie is fun since she can wreck shit from afar
I only did Reinhard. The only control issues I remember is grabbing onto ledges being weird and the fact you cannot move while locked on. I remember having to constantly hop and attack. The sword is a godsend.
Stage-wise, castle center is easily the worst. Clock tower was the best. Final boss goes down way too fast if you have max whip.
The game is decent. I really wish they built upon it. It's the only one (haven't done Legacy) that truly felt like a 3d Castlevania.
>castle center is easily the worst
sorry to say but you got filtered, anon
prove that I got filtered
It has great atmosphere, at least.
>be a kid
>see ads for this
>almost always showing off the first area with the big skeleton boss
>all enemies are skeletons
>everything is drab and brown
>looks boring, no interest in playing it
>finally play it years later
>it’s actually a lot of fun once you get into the castle and start seeing more interesting locations
I feel like I missed out as a kid. It’s a decent game for its time
Because everyone wanted buttsex after SotN
It was the best 3D CV in terms of level design and you actually get to fricking kill vampires who can infect you with vampirism. Cool day/night cycle on LoD, different character scenarios. If the camera and controls weren’t ass (because Jap devs are more concerned with shit cameras than to make them usable for the player) it would’ve been so much better.
all they had to do to fix the camera was make a button that centers it, target lock only centers it if you're standing still
The platforming needed some desperate camera control. Other than that, its what Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness could’ve taken inspiration from.
LoD put camera control on the D-pad. It's pretty useless on original hardware, but on an emulator with the D-pad mapped to the right stick it works pretty well.
It was too hard for me as an early teenager and I SotN set the bar way too high. Looking back it's probably an okay game, but not nearly on the same level as SotN. Of course we know today that almost nothing is on the level of SotN, but that's hindsight.
I'm glad this game's reputation is being rehabilitated. When I played it back in the day, I thought it was amazing and everyone else I knew who had an N64 liked it as well. We live in a world that's big enough where you can like both Castlevania 64 and Symphony of the Night.
The game was alright except for the part where you have to carry the nitro to the wall without getting hit by the skeleton biker gays.
I'm the only person in the world who loves this game. It was Dark Souls two generations ahead of its time.
it all started when AVGN made a video about it in a time before people realized he just sucks at videogames in general, even worse when it's 3d. So he made a video hating the game and a bunch of children that haven't even touched an N64 believed him
I mean, the reception when it came out wasn't even bad. It's just that most 5th gen 3D games aged like milk.
It's a game that had the guts to tell players playing on Easy difficulty to go back to the start of the game and do it again on Normal. Games certainly aren't quite so based like that anymore.
Forgot to point out that this happens halfway through the campaign, right after a boss fight and the Nitro delivery sequence.
Gaming magazines used to say it was bad and then I think AVGN said it was bad.
THIS, i grew up thinking that the 64 Castlevanias as well as Mega man 64 (or legends series in general) were bad games because of camera controls.
The boomers in gaming magazines who couldnt get over Megaman 2 or Castlevania 3 always took opportunity to shit these games, i mean those games are great but this 3D ones were step in the right direction, Super Mario 64 had also flaws and change the gameplay from the 2D games to be able to be on 3D yet probably Nintendo payed so everyone wanted it.
It's a shit game. I regret asking for it for christmas '99.
That guy was pretty spot on in his analysis, but his 'Ben Shapiro and PragerU' comment was fricking cringe. I got that he was a leftist, but he was being good about being apolitical about it, but for some reason he had to shoehorn in that remark.
I'll bite who is the guy we're talking about? Ill check the vid if he's giving the game a fair shake.
You can dislike PragerU and Ben Shapiro without being a leftist.
I'm more than aware, but he made other lefty-tier jokes and boasted how cool it was that Alucard is bi, so I know he only hated Ben and Prager for moronic reasons.
Unlike us.
because a guy on a gaming magazine told them to.
CV64 is garbage and no amount of contrarianism can change that
You'd be in the minority then.
magazine reviews were known to be shit even back in the day, why am I seeing these kind of shit on Ganker lately?
Seems like a cope to me.
Don't bullshit me, anon, Castlevania 64 was a highly anticipated game that blew up and got overshadowed by the PS side project
Just because one game is better doesn't mean the other is shit. Maybe you could accept that if you'd stop living on Ganker.
>dude magazine reviews said the game's good!
Can you produce more reviews that show reviewers trended towards a high score or is your argument based upon a single cherry picked review?
Yes I can
Yes, Castlevania 64 ranged from average to good reviews. Far from the garbage game you have claimed it is. It was never known as a bad game during its era.
that's a SOTN review anon
>UK mag
There's your problem
> Super Marion 64.
> 10.
Oh yeah, that looks like a really reliable, independent news outlet. Yep.
Shut up hipster.
lol. Dude, Zelda is THE hipster franchise. Frick off, clown.
64 magazines always hyped up everything as the second coming regardless of quality. I remember all the hype about Megaman 64 but none of them ever mentioned it was a port of a ps1 game from like 1997 that nobody played.
I never would have known about the sequel/s though so in a roundabout way Capcom's plan worked.
The magazine i read as a kid did hype it up but only because Mega man was finally arriving to the console and the reviewers loved Mega man.
But once it arrived they hated it because they named 64 like it was a new game, because it was a 4 year old port and they didnt fixed the dpad for controls, also for the time the console already had games like Majora's mask, perfect dark, Banjo tooie or DK64 that had fixed camera controls issues.
They never did more promotion for it not guides or tricks bugs, also because the Gamecube was months away and the N64 was a dying console.
>popular consensus of CV64 is that it sucks because AVGN didnt like it
>popular consensus is now mixed to favorable because some new youtuber liked it
im so sick of this shit please form your own opinion. Why do people only just regurgitate what a youtuber told them? Why can a single youtuber even have the power to determine what is liked on the internet anyways
>2022
>doesn't understand influencer's influence
go fricking back (to school moron)
They aren't even actual influencers, they are just some homie making an overly long video on some old game and then it changes how everyone on the internet views the game. People just flock to others opinions because they are too stupid to come up with their own. It's why so many people see a review of a game and instead of judging if they think it will be worth their time, they just blindly listen to whoever is speaking and then parrot those thoughts.
that's stupid, just as expected of you
Controlls are ass, some platform are realy bad. but for some reason one my fac N64 games
This was my first Castlevania.
I was also going through puberty at the time and seeing up the skirt of that girl character made my pepe feel funny.
I liked it.
Frick that moronic ass fall 2ft and explode part.
>pretty decent
To zoomers that passes their incredibly low bar of "I had fun", but it actually means it's mediocre bordering on bad and there's 10,000 better games you could play.
>why do people hate it?
They didn't. The PS2 ones are way more controversial.
It's perfectly fine. Like a lot of 3D 5th gen games the biggest issues are just performance and fighting the camera. But that was every second fricking game.
For a lot of 5th gen games you just have to accept the growing pains into the third dimension and adapt to it. To people newer to video games I can understand why they'd be unwilling to adapt to these older games. Personally I don't mind, there is plenty of fun to be found in 5th gen games.
As long as you know what you're getting into and are willing to compromise on today's expectations for snappy camera movement, nothing should grind on your nerves too much and yeah, plenty of fun and neat ideas that you just don't see around anymore.
Just a matter of expectations management.
its atmosphere carries it pretty hard, the controls and camera arent good and some parts are kinda frickin gay. not the worst castlevania but its certainly below mid tier
AVGN convinced everybody it was bad. I played it for the first time last month and fricking loved it.
Better than the Zelda games on that console. I mean, it wasn't brilliant, but it was alright.
Because apparently Skeleton enemies that ride Motorcycles are too unrealistic and silly for a Castlevania game.
Actually it's a cult classic now
Because Reinhardt's dual tower level is basically everything wrong with early 3D platforming.
>Can't see in front of you half the time
>Camera refuses to turn forcing you to guess where platforms are off a sheer cliff
>One wrong move= instant death
>Despite save points littered everywhere else in the game, there are no save points between the end of castle center and the end of the Tower of Execution.
Oh, and we'll pour on four mini boss fights just as an extra frick you.
This was the stage that filtered me as a kid, I could finish the game with Carrie but never Reinhardt.
I should really go back and give it another shot.
I only played the one with the twink that turns into a werewolf. Is this one better?
Legacy of Darkness is somewhat the full game of Castlevania 64.
>gee, I wonder why games suck these days
What's the best 3d Castlevania? I loved Lament of Innocence as a kid but i don't know if I'd still like it as an adult.
Not Curse of Darkness. Went in very biased towards it and was still let down. Just boring, dead straight, strangely oversized hallways as far as the eye can see.
Castlevania 64 was always considered a decent game, only after tubers memed it did things change, and then only from people that never played it.
Now things are returning back to normal.
>slidy movement that is antithetical to the series staple purposeful methodical movement
>game is still level based in spite of having long levels like the mansion
>platforming that is complete shit because of slidy movement and inprecise ledge grabbing
The game has the best intro menu of any Castlevania game and has some actual nice designs, but overall it's shit and shows that the creators had no clear vision other than attempt to make in 3d, they failed miserably and their failure has lead to us living in a world where Castlevania has never been accurately translated into 3d.
I always wanted to play the game as a kid reading about it in magazines but I just never did, I eventually played it as an adult and it was shit, so bad.
People got memed into believing it was a Sonic 06 or DMC2 tier disaster.