Censorship in Videogames

What do we think about censhorship in videogames localization?
>example
Fire Emblem Engage localization censored a lot of romance options.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    missing the classic "it's not a big deal".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like we've got a live one

      Add this, bitch:
      Cry more gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every single censorship debacle is the same
      >There is no censorship
      >Technically is not censorship
      >Is censorship but it doesn matter
      >If you care you are a nerd

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much. Arguing for fucking weeks on end just because they keep dancing around the fact that stuff has been censored, and for some reason they're afraid to just say "It's censored and I'm glad they censored it"

        Seriously, if they were just capable of being honest right off the bat about their real stance the threads would be less headache inducing with the 2000+ posts of purely semantic bullshit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They'll never do it, because half of them are millennials that grew up during the 90s censorship craze, hated it, championed against then, then lived long enough to become the villain themselves.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have a hard time believing they're the same people.

            They don't seem to be aware of stuff like OoT's censorship.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Add this, bitch:
    Cry more gay

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we
    >what anyone with more than 2 braincells thing about censorship?
    Really bro?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which romance options were censored? I really hate seeing localizer fucks ruining shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they were censored because the characters were under age.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they were censored
        That's all I needed to hear.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I see gays molesting and grooming children on pride parades. Do you also speak up regarding that on twitter or whatever shithole your kind comes from?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I made up a thing to be mad about
          Go back to 4chan already holy shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your hypocrisy is out of control

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >generation hates paedos with a passion
            >unless they're LGBT then it doesn't happen

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Some retard will support this happening, while saying that we can't have our sexy teenage animu polygons because it's worse than pic related. Somehow.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't forget the people having sex in these parades, ignoring that public indecency is a crime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I saw a webm of gays fisting each other in public, and a picture where they pissed in each others' mouths. Fun for the whole family.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but thats empowering and brave! dragqueen hours and sex ed for every elementary school!
          a little bit of skin in game art is haram ofcourse

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not if they were gay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not if they were gay

        I wasn't clear. What I mean is that the gay romance wasn't censored

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it should never be accepted but there is nothing we can do about it. localizers get paid more the more changes they make btw.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what, I supposed to give a shit on your behalf?
    >Itl happen to your favorite games too!
    And I'll mod it back in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't have to give a shit
      But "not giving a shit" also means not picking a fight with the people complaining. Because if you do, then you do give a shit, you just happen to side with the chudlators instead.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but people start getting annoyed when complaining about localization starts actively preventing any discussion of the game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then maybe you should head over to Reddit where criticism of thing is not allowed? Unless it's for the Hour of State Approved Hate where you go get updoots for ragging on Republicans and Trump. You might get a gold from a kind stranger for shitting on white supremacy! Go on, go get your gold!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You fishing for upvotes or (You)s?

            Being against censorship became too popular, so half the board is supporting it to be contrarian. Same with them somehow equating localizations with censorship vs detractors = 4chan and because 4chan is a "heckin big bad" then they gotta do mental gymnastics and "It's not a big deal!" cope.

            gays gonna gay.

            Nobody here defends censorship

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Exactly. Nobody here supports it, except...

              >what did they censor
              They made the little girls not sexually appealing

              Every. Fucking. Time, none of these debates are around any real censorship but someone butthurt because he paid $60 for a game and expected e-boiporn.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Falseflagging for (You)s

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What do we think about censhorship in videogames localization?

    Kill all censors immediately but slowly. Start by flaying them in long strips.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This kind of thing happens because the Japanese creators have no idea it's happening.
    Like they literally have no clue. It's sent overseas and they just assume it will get translated for the west.

    Find a way to get their attention and they'll pull authority to try and reverse the damage.

    See:
    FF14
    That crossdressing yaoi groomer manga

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's weird, considering years ago Ganker would never defend censorship

      I think sometimes they do try to appease overseas markets, but yea a lot of times localizers are proud about how much contempt they have for the material they're working on and they'll do whatever they can to fuck with it. You'll even see them bragging about this on Twitter, which is ridiculously unprofessional.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Being against censorship became too popular, so half the board is supporting it to be contrarian. Same with them somehow equating localizations with censorship vs detractors = 4chan and because 4chan is a "heckin big bad" then they gotta do mental gymnastics and "It's not a big deal!" cope.

        gays gonna gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're most likely told by the publisher or chudslator that it's what the western market wants.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have to maintain that they actually have NO IDEA.
        Check out the two examples I gave:
        >FF14
        Localization team censored an entire character by removing his dialogue and editing the cutscenes with him in it. He was a very flamboyant character and the devs were proud of his character introduction in the cutscenes, which were all uniquely animated for his persona. Nips only found out about it after excessive fan complaint was directed at them overseas, upon which the head dev himself stepped in, made them issue a public apology, and restructured how the translations are done. Nothing like that has ever happened again.

        >the manga
        Actual chud rewrote the entire story so that instead of a boy's gay friend dressing up his other gay friend as a girl, the boy being dolled up was instead transitioning. As this was the actual official translation, fans went around Seven Seas and went straight to the creator, who then made Seven Seas issue an apology, fire the translator, and start re-working it from the beginning.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For smaller devs this is believable but it's fucking IntSys, they absolutely know that NoA is fucking with their games, especially since NoA now visit them in Japan to bitch at them about their games being problematic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It seems they had Japan alter the actual game's art.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's garbage and such devs do not deserve money.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but i can still fap to it!
    How many people can you get to say this in order to piss off the people who were actually for the censorship?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because of rating board become more strict shills too

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't buy or support any censored products

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i find it funny when these Censorship gays attack me for not wanting to buy a censor game, Then they starts seething when i waste my money on better stuff kek.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what did they censor
    They made the little girls not sexually appealing

    Every. Fucking. Time, none of these debates are around any real censorship but someone butthurt because he paid $60 for a game and expected e-boiporn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every fucking time your kind boils it down to porn even when it's not related.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's an easy way to spot a Christfag/American.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    putting all of the valid responses in some image does not invalidate the responses or prove you right. now seethe harder degenerate chud coomer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Notice how the apologists usually speak in nonsensical fucking memes instead of proper English.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Should have thrown 4chan in there, as well.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    editorializing =/= censorship

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >phoneposter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RCG Zero came out with a option to play the game with Direct Translation or Localization script.
      Majority of players preferred the Directly translated script.
      While at the same time a select few individuals were angry at the idea that the game had two separate English translations.
      These individuals were immediately found out to be Western Localizers.
      Showing that nobody likes your "editorializing" over the actual Script.
      May have passed back in the 90s and early 2000s. But people have access to the internet and are more aware of Japan and it's quirks than ever before. So nobody that matters to the sales of a game would be put off or be confused by Japanese idioms, proverbs, and jokes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Majority of players preferred the Directly translated script.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It looks better now!
    Literally every time.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It looks better now!
    Rare, but a legitimate argument at times for people who aren't tastelets.
    >If you want to see sexy girls, watch porn!
    The only genuinely bulletproof argument in this list and sneakily lumping it in with retarded copes doesn't change that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Semi-legitimate. It may in fact look better, but it's still not the translators' job to make those changes.

      >The only genuinely bulletproof argument in this list
      Not at all genuine. If I want to see sexy girls in a video game, I can. Who are you to interfere?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but it's still not the translators' job to make those changes.
        See, I was assuming we were discussing changes upon sequels or reboots. The same kind of bad faith shit gets tossed around for both cases. In this case, I 100% agree.

        >If you want to see gore in videogames, just watch a snuff film!

        Droolingly retarded whataboutism, but I made a mistake anyway, so no worries.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you want to see gore in videogames, just watch a snuff film!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only genuinely bulletproof argument in this list and sneakily lumping it in with retarded copes doesn't change that.
      How so?. Appealing characters are part of the game. May as well not play vidya at all because you can get everything elsewhere.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where can you get gameplay outside games?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sports, board games and irl games in general

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't play sports videogames, of I went around killing people like i kill enemies I'm dead cells id be dead or in prison

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Now you know why "just watch porn" doesnt work.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You'll be thrown in prison for watching porn?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sexy girls = pornography
      Actual brainrot from turning coomerjak mspaint pictures into your entire personality
      Take a break

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only genuinely bulletproof argument
      Okay, if you want to see realism, representation and all that shit go touch some grass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only way to see an attractive woman is to see her railed six ways from Sunday
      You want gore so badly, just watch it on liveleak? Why do you need to force your ugly ass gore fetish into games?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the censored Divine Bustiers in DQ more than the normal ones because I enjoy pantyhose more than thigh highs.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >old design is not ok nowadays

    how do americans do it? how do they brainwash people so easily?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The whole /b/ 2.0 thing is still true. When coming to Ganker, Ganker and /vg/ are most likely going to be the most entry-level boards. And this website has a reputation for being the 'trolling and shitposting site', so people are going to come here from Twitter, Reddit, ResetEra, etc. simply to falseflag and spam soijaks and such because they think that's the site's whole purpose.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >because they think that's the site's whole purpose.
      Back then maybe. Nowadays people unironically do it to try to kill the website because they see it as an enemy to the ideals they follow.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >have to deal with this shit again
    FUCK OFF YOU gayS WERE INSUFFERABLE BACK WHEN FATES WAS NEW

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mods remove Tifa's training bra
    >Remove the thigh highs as well
    Fuck you all.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like how the people cheering on the censorship of Engage's Anna romance the most are LGBT people
    They ARE all aware that once the precedent is set that censoring expression and information to protect general interests from obscenity is acceptable, the law is going to be cracking down hard on them next, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would it?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we need to get rid of anna dicky to protect muh children!
        >okay, next we should throw you in jail for sharing information about DIY HRT to protect children, right?
        >UHHHHHH WAIT

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think censorshipfags have a special kind of narcissistic god complex.

    Me personally, I find stuff like guro and rape to be tasteless, but really how is censorship going to fix that? It's still the author's intent, it's still what the true version of the story, so what the fuck does omitting that with some headcanon text change?
    It's like the delusional nutjobs who think that if they shit out enough fanart of brown trans gay snaggletoothed Naoto Shirogane then that suddenly becomes a reality. That's the mindset of localizers.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like the only time I "preferred the censored version' was on Azure Striker Gunvolt, and that's only because it removed the wordswordswords which resulted in far better gameplay pacing.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's over for you. Your video game belongs to us, a sensitive, more empathic audience that respect minorities and LGBTQ people.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you create a game for English audience, then you decide that you want your work translated to 32 more languages because you want it as accessible as possible even to the most retarded gorilla baboon who can't understand your language. Let's say that one of that language is... Mongolian.

    Would you care if the Mongolian translation is butchered and unfaithful? fuck no. to you, Mongolian language is "just 1 out of 32 random language options". you don't give a shit about it because... it means nothing to you. it doesn't affect you.

    This was the reason of the censorship of the old days. Japan don't care, don't understand and don't give a shit about English language translation. So they just gave their product to a publisher and then whatever.... Some people might be fine about it because THE SOURCE PRODUCT is left as it is. the problem is entirely in the translation, not product.

    What's happening right now is completely different. English version of the game now has too much leverage and bargaining power due to massive revenue that it's brought to the company. And people are now realizing and starting to care about their (English) version of the game is DIFFERENT from the source product. That's why, the all-powerful English teams are now demanding and extorting the creator that the original must be altered to SUIT their (English market, according to English teams) sensibilities, to make sure that EVERY VERSION IS THE SAME, which is...the English version, which caters to English market.

    Japanese games are no longer Japanese. Japanese devs no longer have power. The're nothing but slaves and lapdogs of their... English subsidiaries, because "the English teams bring more revenue and THEY KNOW BETTER than us who don't know a lick of English language... so we trust them".

    It doens't help that to the Jap Devs' eyes, the "English consumer base" also seem to be in agreement with their English teams, because they'd look at Twitter and Reddit as the sample.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why I don't play anything designed for the EOP audience. The only modern games I play are ones that are unashamedly Japanese, made purely for the Japanese market.

      I do not give a shit about the modern zombie corps that just happen to possess the same name as a development studio I once loved.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT CAN SOMEONE JUST TELL ME WHICH CHARACTERS WERE CENSORED IN THE ENGLISH TEXT AND HOW BESIDES ANNA???! Why does no one go into detail about this? Do you actually care or do you just wanna bitch and moan on an imageboard you fucking disabled gays. Not just that I've even seen anons claim shit being in the game that they just made up. It's annoying as fuck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Celine and Framme are two others, I don't believe comparisons have been made for most of them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From glancing over them these seem to be much less egregious, but yeah the weird friendship stuff addition is stupid. Thank you for actually providing material that can be used when complaining and not being a gay.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    11 year olds, Dude.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not real, dude

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What publisher in the west do you think would touch that subject with a 10 foot pole?
        You gays are beyond delusional if you think it's just trannies that would cause a shitfit over this.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody outside of Twitter gives a shit, I assure you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody outside of Twitter gives a shit it's been censored.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh. Okay. So you're disingenuous. Cool.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not disingenuous, but I do get schadenfreude out of seeing autists not knowing when to pick their battles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, man, I love pretending that Splatoon isn't adjacently horny either.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey remember when that 12 year old daughter of some guy on Game of Thrones was put to the death by burning her alive?

          Nobody gives a shit. Fiction is fiction.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What publisher in the west do you think would touch that subject with a 10 foot pole?
          Clouded Leopard

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Localizers are simply failed writers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have a lot in common with journalists

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot in common with those who defend shitty remasters/remakes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sounds like you're the one who is upset tbqh

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Maybe you should stay on that site and never come here, you worthless condom

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Didn't bother reading all that shit, sorry bro

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i support censorship in vidya cause i think boobs, asses, vaginas and dicks are gross

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But the sight of Mythra wearing black pantyhose literally makes me diamonds.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In general, dishonestly in fiction is exhausting. People relating fiction too closely to real life is exhausting. For fuck's sake Americans base their identities off of cartoon characters and superheroes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Generally speaking people don't base their identities off of degenerate superheroes. The only thing being censored in the majority of these games is degeneracy that has no thematic purpose.
      >People relate fiction too closely to real life
      Hard to blame them considering real life is the framework for fiction. It's actually more believable fiction if it ties closer to realism in regards to logic, not necessarily in the ideas that utilize the logic. Take something like Mass Effect, or Star Trek. Why do most of the alien races feel so natural? Because they conform to a logic we, the audience, can relate to. The ones that don't feel strange, but the writing explains the fiction's own logic and you can begin to understand the alien('s) perspective.
      If a creator/artist (e.g. Every Intelligent Systems' production) puts absolutely no effort into making their fiction believable OR relatable, all that's left is the truth of why the censored material exists; bait for addictive, degenerate behavior that should be discouraged. You can argue why it should not be discouraged, but the reality (albeit teetering) is that it is. Instead the only argument seems to always be that "censorship defeats the original artistic vision", but there is no effort to even pretend to be art. The transparency is embarrassing at this point.
      Case in point: Why do "artists" like IS/Nintendo never fight localizations or refuse to release games whose artistic visions have been skewered?
      >inb4 pic related

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Take something like Mass Effect, or Star Trek. Why do most of the alien races feel so natural? Because they conform to a logic we, the audience, can relate to. The ones that don't feel strange, but the writing explains the fiction's own logic and you can begin to understand the alien('s) perspective.
        But they don't feel natural, they feel fucking boring. Both of those works are shit because of how they pander to muh relatable blue humans in design instead of making things that are actually alien. It's no coincidence that the most interesting races in Mass Effect are the Geth and Hanar.
        >Why do "artists" like IS/Nintendo never fight localizations or refuse to release games whose artistic visions have been skewered?
        Completely disingenuous question, the "artists" at IS are not the people working on the other side of the planet at Nintendo of America who are the ones censoring the artists' work. And IS being a subsidiary of Nintendo means they have absolutely no choice in the matter, unlike say, Falcom who could threaten to give future game localisations to a different company over the shitshow that was NISA's handling of Ys 8.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But they don't feel natural, they feel fucking boring
          No argument there. Look outside your window. Humans are fucking boring when the outside perspective is specifically looking for something abstract.
          >It's no coincidence that the most interesting races in Mass Effect are the Geth and Hanar
          You're right, and this was explained
          >>the writing explains the fiction's own logic
          In other words, the writers put effort into creating the abstract, so when you specifically look for something otherwordly you can find it, as well as having your own perspective (human/real life) to contrast it. Why do you think the Kirk/Spock relationship is so timeless? It's quite literally the best of both worlds.
          >the "artists" at IS are not the people working on the other side of the planet at Nintendo of America who are the ones censoring the artists' work
          Yes, I'm aware of that. Yet the intrepid creators continue to accept their paycheck, having less respect for their works than many anons on this forum. They DO have a choice, and they've made it consistently, if not supported it as well as being supported by it.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >mendrawingwomen.
    >Characters that get censored in the west tend to have been drawn by woman a majority of the time.
    >The ones who do the censorship tend to be men.
    Fucking funny how that works.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It really is strange.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You better pull your finger out and start learning japanese. Year in/year out you people keep making these threads.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't matter. They still alter the actual game, as well as public perception.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fire Emblem Engage localization censored a lot of romance options.
    Not my problem.
    I'll pirate and play the original japanese version

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do gameplay mechanics ever get censored?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fire Emblem Fates cut entire gameplay systems, yes. So did Mugen Souls.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes
      >NISA
      >Treehouse
      >Marvelous
      I know there's more but these three come to mind right away for censoring interactivity instead of just visuals.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >attractive women are misogyny
    I think i found a clip of you. Is this you in the crowd seething because a more attractive women gets all the attention?

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think there were occasional instances in the past, 4th and 5th gen mainly, where excessive TnA and panty shots would clash with a good character design. blaze in streets of rage 2 comes to mind with those bright white panties in every jump animation.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anons called me these things when I cried online when they put more clothes on my underage (10.000 years old) waifu but I had no counter argument
    >I will make this image and this thread to show them
    How pointless and miserable your life must be if that's your only concern on a Sunday morning...

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