>Yeah idk why people keep using him as a scapegoat when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
Because they're still holding a grudge over Firewatch and MUH POLITICS and they never actually do any research into what they're actually criticizing anyway.
You didn't understand what I wrote, moron. Read it again a few more times
>when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
Firewatch was good and so was Alyx, sorry anon.
[...] >Epistle 3 is totally unrelated and fan made even though it clearly has multiple pay off to story beats set up in HL2 and the episodes!!
what are you even arguing for at this point? That Epistle 3 isn't legitimate? Laidlaw has been extremely clear that he writes his story around the levels, that's another reason why he referred to it as fan fiction as he has no levels to write for.
>Firewatch was good and so was Alyx, sorry anon.
Shit taste, sorry anon
>when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
Firewatch was good and so was Alyx, sorry anon.
>BRO IT'S ACTUALLY LITERALLY EPISODE 3 HE JUST CALLED IT THAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET SUED EVEN THOUGH LITERALLY EVERY OTHER WRITER INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE TRAJECTORY OF HL2 TESTIFIES THAT IT'S ENTIRELY LAIDLAW'S CANNON AND WAS NEVER PROPOSED IN DURING ANY DEVELOPMENT
Lost cause.
>Epistle 3 is totally unrelated and fan made even though it clearly has multiple pay off to story beats set up in HL2 and the episodes!!
what are you even arguing for at this point? That Epistle 3 isn't legitimate? Laidlaw has been extremely clear that he writes his story around the levels, that's another reason why he referred to it as fan fiction as he has no levels to write for.
>Alyx ret-conned as a b***h rather than genuinely warm hl2 Alyx.
She's supposed to be a bit more unsure of herself because it's her first expedition on her own and she's still a teenager. She isn't quite yet the capable badass she is in the HL2 intro.
What where they thinking? So nobody is going to antartica? what is even going on? and how the frick do you defeat a guy who apparently can move through time and knows the future?
>What where they thinking? So nobody is going to antartica?
Nobody was ever going to Antarctica. None of that was ever proposed apart from the mention of the borealis in episode 2. Epistle 3 is just fan fiction wank from Laidlaw, he's said this himself.
>never going to Antarctica in a Half Life 2 release >ignoring HL2s very first map ever made was of an early precursor to the borealis in an Antarctic region >Ignoring Half Life 2 Beta had Gordon going to an Antarctic region via the final precursor to what would become the borealis >Ignoring the leaked Ep3 concept art of Gordon with Alyx in the antarctic after their helicopter crashed.
Mate, Valve has been sitting on Half Life in the Antarctic since 1999, they are always and still are going to the Antarctic.
>alpha/beta content >concept art
And if you know anything about Valve than you would know that nearly everything pre-leak got thrown out. Laidlaw said that Epistle 3 was fan fiction wank that he came up with on the spot as a fun experiment on "what-if". If you actually go through it it doesn't make sense for the HL universe at all. Gordon talks in the first person.
This is corroborated with people like Robin Walker and Wolpaw who were pretty much there for the entire development of HL2 and it's episodes that said that "anything to do with epistle 3" was never even proposed at the time when Episode 3 was in planning or even relevant.
>sauce
Google it. The original tweets were nuked by laidlaw but the evidence remains when news sites picked it up in 2017.
you stupid fricking Black person
he said that it's a "fanfiction" so that valve couldn't sue him for leaking shit
same as naming it epistle 3 and not episode 3
just fricking have a nice day, moron
Those morons have been spewing their shit arguments since epistle 3 first leaked because they won't believe any plot reveals unless Gabe himself waddles through their bedroom door wearing a top hat and twirling his mustache, to give them the ending personally.
You c**ts are literally the "SILENT HILLS IS HAPPENING WITH KOJIMA THE RUSE IS REAL" of the Half-Life universe. Give me a fricking break.
p.s. Don't bother Laidlaw. He was not the only writer and he doesn't give a fricking about half life. If you bother him with schizo theories he'll just ignore you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>can't provide proof >tells me not to do something I had zero intention of doing in the first place
Hope your bedroom door is wide enough for Gabe's girth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He was not the only writer and he doesn't give a fricking about half life
He was autistic about this game so much that he even created a twitter profile that was supposed to be an episode 3 prologue, and he was actively LARP'ing as breen for two fricking years
https://twitter.com/breengrub?lang=en
He certainly liked this fricking game
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek yeah I was just thinking
that moron probably didn't even know laidlaw was the breen grub
2 years ago
Anonymous
>https://twitter.com/breengrub?lang=en >2012
Yeah, because he was still employed at valve and fricking frustrated because that was literally Valve's dark period where they were working on other shit. He left Valve and has far moved on. That was ten fricking years ago and your presenting this like it's actual evidence?
you stupid fricking Black person
he said that it's a "fanfiction" so that valve couldn't sue him for leaking shit
same as naming it epistle 3 and not episode 3
just fricking have a nice day, moron
Those morons have been spewing their shit arguments since epistle 3 first leaked because they won't believe any plot reveals unless Gabe himself waddles through their bedroom door wearing a top hat and twirling his mustache, to give them the ending personally.
>BRO IT'S ACTUALLY LITERALLY EPISODE 3 HE JUST CALLED IT THAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET SUED EVEN THOUGH LITERALLY EVERY OTHER WRITER INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE TRAJECTORY OF HL2 TESTIFIES THAT IT'S ENTIRELY LAIDLAW'S CANNON AND WAS NEVER PROPOSED IN DURING ANY DEVELOPMENT
Lost cause.
>And if you know anything about Valve than you would know that nearly everything pre-leak got thrown out.
and if you knew anything about Valve then you have noticed Half Life 2 and it's episodes still follow a form of the beta storyline and a number of it's beats. They're going to Antartica.
>Took the Gordon talking part literally
holy fricking shit nevermind stop replying please.
>and if you knew anything about Valve then you have noticed Half Life 2 and it's episodes still follow a form of the beta storyline and a number of it's beats. They're going to Antartica.
Thanks for reitering your original point with the same assertion but with zero evidence! >Took the Gordon talking part literally
You took the entire document seriously when it's author literally called it fanfiction that he wrote on the spot?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I refuse to argue with anyone being this dismissive towards anyone disagreeing with him, and I'm not going to go through the entire Beta Storyline for you and connect the reused concept dots for you because given how thick you've been so far it'd be a waste of time. However I can easily point to the Beta cutting the Antlion Nest and Queen from release and it's eventual reuse in Ep2
They can't get mad at the leak happening, Half life was basically dead at that point. It would be like if I had a horse, let it die of starvation didn't even bother disposing of the carcass and then getting made because someone pic up the bones years after the horse died.
>Epistle 3 is just fan fiction wank from Laidlaw, he's said this himself
sauce
I can't wait until the next Half Life game comes out and all you fricking nerds can't handle that maybe the original writer of the series had a few ideas on the future of the series.
That is basically what happened though. Half Life was a bunch of different levels and Laidlaw came in towards the end of development to link the levels together into something coherent.
>Laidlaw came in towards the end of development
he joined in july 1997, 18 months before the game even shipped
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/marc-laidlaw-on-story-and-narrative
>"The basic concept of Half-Life germinated in story discussions at Valve which happened before my arrival. When I joined Valve, in July of 1997, I was supposed to do a couple weeks of work to consolidate the storyline for Half-Life so that it could ship that year,
There was a delay after Laidlaw came in to better hash out the story and make it more coherent, but he came in after the bulk of development was done.
read your own comment. >When I joined Valve, in July of 1997, I was supposed to do a couple weeks of work to consolidate the storyline for Half-Life so that it could ship that year, >that year >1997
We already know the game changed a lot from 1997 to 98,
I'll be honest I'm still confused what happened with Eli at the very start of the game. I thought he was just stealing supplies how did he learn about the vault?
Honestly, this game would have ben so much better without it's "le quirky random humor" from portal 2
like, this kind of humor feels so fricking forced in Alyx that I started to miss Laidlaw
I’d rather know the ending of who won the Battle of Roseleaf.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>Valve went from "it might take decades but it will come out/get fixed/get updated eventually"
You clearly never heard of Half Life Source you moronic zoomer
>I’d rather know the ending of who won the Battle of Roseleaf.
lmao shut the frick up dota "lore" is the most banal shit and valve picking up dota 2 at all is easily their worst mistake
>AYO GORDON THIS MUTHAFRICKIN GMAN FINNA STOLE MY DAUGHTER MAN I AINT LETTING THAT SHIT FLY >*SMACK LIPS* >AND REMEMBER TO CLAP THEM BOOTYCHEEKS WHEN WE GET HER BACK THAT DISRUPTION FIELD IS NO MO'
not sure you understood alyx's ending
>retcon a cliffhanger with another clifhanger
BRAVO JAY PINKERTON
it was Wolpaw's idea
No it was Sean Vanaman
read the final hours of alyx, it was Portal writer, that's why Alyx has Portal humor
Sean Vanaman just wrote dialogue between Alyx and Russel due to his prior Firewatch work. Idk why people keep using that guy as a scapegoat.
Yeah idk why people keep using him as a scapegoat when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
>Yeah idk why people keep using him as a scapegoat when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
Because they're still holding a grudge over Firewatch and MUH POLITICS and they never actually do any research into what they're actually criticizing anyway.
You didn't understand what I wrote, moron. Read it again a few more times
>Firewatch was good and so was Alyx, sorry anon.
Shit taste, sorry anon
>when the stories start becoming garbage as soon as he gets hired
Firewatch was good and so was Alyx, sorry anon.
>Epistle 3 is totally unrelated and fan made even though it clearly has multiple pay off to story beats set up in HL2 and the episodes!!
what are you even arguing for at this point? That Epistle 3 isn't legitimate? Laidlaw has been extremely clear that he writes his story around the levels, that's another reason why he referred to it as fan fiction as he has no levels to write for.
ret-cons aren't ret-cons if they happen/can be explained in universe you moronic Black folk
not sure if stupid, or you just didn't understand the ending?
and?
Alyx ret-conned as a b***h rather than genuinely warm hl2 Alyx.
>Alyx ret-conned as a b***h rather than genuinely warm hl2 Alyx.
She's supposed to be a bit more unsure of herself because it's her first expedition on her own and she's still a teenager. She isn't quite yet the capable badass she is in the HL2 intro.
And?
What where they thinking? So nobody is going to antartica? what is even going on? and how the frick do you defeat a guy who apparently can move through time and knows the future?
it's possible they will never release a sequel
they will use the Multiverse Theory to pull off a Time Heist and catch him off guard in the universe where Combine never found Earth
>What where they thinking? So nobody is going to antartica?
Nobody was ever going to Antarctica. None of that was ever proposed apart from the mention of the borealis in episode 2. Epistle 3 is just fan fiction wank from Laidlaw, he's said this himself.
>Epistle 3 is just fan fiction wank from Laidlaw, he's said this himself
sauce
>never going to Antarctica in a Half Life 2 release
>ignoring HL2s very first map ever made was of an early precursor to the borealis in an Antarctic region
>Ignoring Half Life 2 Beta had Gordon going to an Antarctic region via the final precursor to what would become the borealis
>Ignoring the leaked Ep3 concept art of Gordon with Alyx in the antarctic after their helicopter crashed.
Mate, Valve has been sitting on Half Life in the Antarctic since 1999, they are always and still are going to the Antarctic.
>alpha/beta content
>concept art
And if you know anything about Valve than you would know that nearly everything pre-leak got thrown out. Laidlaw said that Epistle 3 was fan fiction wank that he came up with on the spot as a fun experiment on "what-if". If you actually go through it it doesn't make sense for the HL universe at all. Gordon talks in the first person.
This is corroborated with people like Robin Walker and Wolpaw who were pretty much there for the entire development of HL2 and it's episodes that said that "anything to do with epistle 3" was never even proposed at the time when Episode 3 was in planning or even relevant.
>Laidlaw said that Epistle 3 was fan fiction wank
sauce
>sauce
Google it. The original tweets were nuked by laidlaw but the evidence remains when news sites picked it up in 2017.
You c**ts are literally the "SILENT HILLS IS HAPPENING WITH KOJIMA THE RUSE IS REAL" of the Half-Life universe. Give me a fricking break.
p.s. Don't bother Laidlaw. He was not the only writer and he doesn't give a fricking about half life. If you bother him with schizo theories he'll just ignore you.
>can't provide proof
>tells me not to do something I had zero intention of doing in the first place
Hope your bedroom door is wide enough for Gabe's girth.
>He was not the only writer and he doesn't give a fricking about half life
He was autistic about this game so much that he even created a twitter profile that was supposed to be an episode 3 prologue, and he was actively LARP'ing as breen for two fricking years
https://twitter.com/breengrub?lang=en
He certainly liked this fricking game
kek yeah I was just thinking
that moron probably didn't even know laidlaw was the breen grub
>https://twitter.com/breengrub?lang=en
>2012
Yeah, because he was still employed at valve and fricking frustrated because that was literally Valve's dark period where they were working on other shit. He left Valve and has far moved on. That was ten fricking years ago and your presenting this like it's actual evidence?
you stupid fricking Black person
he said that it's a "fanfiction" so that valve couldn't sue him for leaking shit
same as naming it epistle 3 and not episode 3
just fricking have a nice day, moron
Those morons have been spewing their shit arguments since epistle 3 first leaked because they won't believe any plot reveals unless Gabe himself waddles through their bedroom door wearing a top hat and twirling his mustache, to give them the ending personally.
>BRO IT'S ACTUALLY LITERALLY EPISODE 3 HE JUST CALLED IT THAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET SUED EVEN THOUGH LITERALLY EVERY OTHER WRITER INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE TRAJECTORY OF HL2 TESTIFIES THAT IT'S ENTIRELY LAIDLAW'S CANNON AND WAS NEVER PROPOSED IN DURING ANY DEVELOPMENT
Lost cause.
>And if you know anything about Valve than you would know that nearly everything pre-leak got thrown out.
and if you knew anything about Valve then you have noticed Half Life 2 and it's episodes still follow a form of the beta storyline and a number of it's beats. They're going to Antartica.
>Took the Gordon talking part literally
holy fricking shit nevermind stop replying please.
>and if you knew anything about Valve then you have noticed Half Life 2 and it's episodes still follow a form of the beta storyline and a number of it's beats. They're going to Antartica.
Thanks for reitering your original point with the same assertion but with zero evidence!
>Took the Gordon talking part literally
You took the entire document seriously when it's author literally called it fanfiction that he wrote on the spot?
I refuse to argue with anyone being this dismissive towards anyone disagreeing with him, and I'm not going to go through the entire Beta Storyline for you and connect the reused concept dots for you because given how thick you've been so far it'd be a waste of time. However I can easily point to the Beta cutting the Antlion Nest and Queen from release and it's eventual reuse in Ep2
He didn't made it on the stop stuff from Gertrude Fremont story about parts of the ship going backwards and forwaard in time made it Alyx game.
no one cares about ant fartica, get rekt u fricking penguin homosexual
Did you forget that the entire plot of Episode 3 was "leaked" a while ago? No shit they're gonna change it up and do something else.
They can't get mad at the leak happening, Half life was basically dead at that point. It would be like if I had a horse, let it die of starvation didn't even bother disposing of the carcass and then getting made because someone pic up the bones years after the horse died.
Google Gertrude Fremont.
you sound moronic
A terrible series. There is nothing redeemable about half-life. Let it rot in piss.
who cares. let them kill the series if they don't on making any more games.
Johnny Valve strikes again!
I can't wait until the next Half Life game comes out and all you fricking nerds can't handle that maybe the original writer of the series had a few ideas on the future of the series.
you guys know the half life story is almost exclusively brain stormed at the end of development to link together gameplay beats right
I doubt they made half life by just making random levels, they had to know what they wanted half life to be first
That is basically what happened though. Half Life was a bunch of different levels and Laidlaw came in towards the end of development to link the levels together into something coherent.
>Laidlaw came in towards the end of development
he joined in july 1997, 18 months before the game even shipped
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/marc-laidlaw-on-story-and-narrative
Read your own fricking article
>"The basic concept of Half-Life germinated in story discussions at Valve which happened before my arrival. When I joined Valve, in July of 1997, I was supposed to do a couple weeks of work to consolidate the storyline for Half-Life so that it could ship that year,
There was a delay after Laidlaw came in to better hash out the story and make it more coherent, but he came in after the bulk of development was done.
read your own comment.
>When I joined Valve, in July of 1997, I was supposed to do a couple weeks of work to consolidate the storyline for Half-Life so that it could ship that year,
>that year
>1997
We already know the game changed a lot from 1997 to 98,
I'll be honest I'm still confused what happened with Eli at the very start of the game. I thought he was just stealing supplies how did he learn about the vault?
moron bait
citadel when
halflife has a story?
Honestly, this game would have ben so much better without it's "le quirky random humor" from portal 2
like, this kind of humor feels so fricking forced in Alyx that I started to miss Laidlaw
I’d rather know the ending of who won the Battle of Roseleaf.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
I'd rather see you frick off to reddit.
based Artifact chad
Valve went from "it might take decades but it will come out/get fixed/get updated eventually" to downright fraudulent business practices.
>Valve went from "it might take decades but it will come out/get fixed/get updated eventually"
You clearly never heard of Half Life Source you moronic zoomer
>I’d rather know the ending of who won the Battle of Roseleaf.
lmao shut the frick up dota "lore" is the most banal shit and valve picking up dota 2 at all is easily their worst mistake
I can only hope that the person who made artifact is long fired and blacklisted from valve
moron
rude
>AYO GORDON THIS MUTHAFRICKIN GMAN FINNA STOLE MY DAUGHTER MAN I AINT LETTING THAT SHIT FLY
>*SMACK LIPS*
>AND REMEMBER TO CLAP THEM BOOTYCHEEKS WHEN WE GET HER BACK THAT DISRUPTION FIELD IS NO MO'