>characters uses a dangerous power up that will cost him his life
>still survives anyway
>characters uses a dangerous power up that will cost him his life. >still survives anyway
>characters uses a dangerous power up that will cost him his life
>still survives anyway
>it is shown in-game how he loses all his hp bar but 1 hp exactly
kino or cringe?
Guy vs Madara is so much better in Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 than in anime and manga combined.
I've only played the first 3 but i remember thinking that a lot of the fights are better in the games
I like the Manga version but yeah, CC2 handled it great
they didn't do the "HES BENDING SPACE???" scene but the shot in NUNS4 of Gai just APPEARING in front of Madara after
>oh no
is kind of absolutely peak. It's up there with the Kaido eyes
All the actual boss fights in the UNS games were better than the anime/manga.
He was literally fading away before Naruto stopped that
It took you until then to realize naruto's writing was shit?
Still better than Bleach.
Not a high bar. Read things other than the big 3.
>Read things other than the big 3.
Most people do this already, but shit writing isn't very unusual for anime and manga.
What about Katekyo hitman reborn? I'm thinking super kino........
>first half is the worst written gag manga of all time
>second half is a decent battle shonen
what were they thinking?
But enough about dragon ball we're here to talk about katekyo hitman reborn
I actually recall enjoying the comedy very early on but it so went downhill when it became a run off the mill battle shounen. Then somehow makes some retarded future arc that I think basically gets reconned anyway if I'm not misremembering.
Not after status quo ending chapter. Possibly one of the worst things you can do in a coming of age story for an MC. Possibly one of the worst manga endings I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
>just read Masashi Toyota vs Sega Kishimoto in Genjutsu no Keaton bro
No I don't think I will
Even Bleach fans know the writing is ass, but the character design is the best in the business.
kek no one likes bleach for the writing
t. bleachfag
True but only by 1%. By contrast, Bleach's visual style is head and shoulders above Naruto's. I at least have something nice to look at with Bleach pages. Naruto has shit art and shit writing
Kubo just does whatever seems cool to him in the moment. Sometimes that turns out amazing, particularly in art, such as the various cover costumes and hollow creature design. More often it leaves holes in things, like the Vizard which just fall apart or the LN exclusive Bankai.
Kubo is a good artist but a mediocre writer, I wish he worked with someone else
Basically same case as Mashima. But Rave was a comfy kino adventure that ended on high note. It’s just during Fairy Tail he just stopped trying.
>LN exclusive Bankai
quick rundown?
Hirako Shinji had his Bankai LN exclusive until it was recently shown in PowerPoint format in the anime. Hisagi Shuhei's Bankai is teased in the manga but was dropped until the LN.
I'm 100% certain that the biggest reason for the shit pacing and writing in Bleach was the editor/publisher interference switching arcs and story beats around. Tatsuki and the others being underdeveloped only for the SS arc to begin immediately after they get their powers reeks of it but things like Shinji being on the cover of the first volume makes me think that the arrancar intro plotline and vizard shit was supposed to happen earlier and get a lot more build up somehow.
I sort of believe this too. The fact that the Fullbringer arc got cut short despite it being the most conceptually interesting and structurally distinct is basically proof to me that Bleach suffered from needing to survive the rankings dog-pit at a time when pure battle manga were all the rage, and then it basically cultivated an audience that only cared about that shit so even when they tried to back up and go back to anime ghost busters with weird abilities and metaphysics, they were then forced to go BACK to battle manga with TYBW.
Fullbringer arc was really interesting, people think I'm weird for thinking that
The turd I shat this morning is better than Bleach.
The japanese cant write good stories and always have to fall back on tropes to fill the gaps. Even one piece and fist of the north star do this
>only reads shounenshit
>complains about seeing the same things over and over
>The japanese cant write good stories
*Blocks your path*
This shit is low hanging fruit compared to Naruto. You might as well read JoJo instead.
Then you remember that Gon exists
Why did the mangaka even go with the adultening thingy against neferpitou when he knew he'd have to make the asspull of all asspulls to fix it? Was he planning to end the manga with chimera ant arc?
Honestly no idea, maybe he just wanted a "cool" moment for Gon, maybe he actually plans to bench him. Also maybe why he abruptly brought his father, but between Gon's reaction, how sudden it is, and the dog water art I couldn't care a little bit about the main character finally accomplishing his goal. Going back to the fight, I think they even if you wanted to really go with the sacrificing your future potential to get adult Gon, turning him into a mummy so you have to use e-boi shenron does nothing to help the story, might as well just have him collapse from exhaustion and then have him recover conventionally over time (minus nen) instead of using a walking mcguffin
To establish and reinforce how fucked up the Dark Continent is.
The theme of the story from CA arc is how a monster can become a human too if he have something to protect and vice versa. Gon is written as a parallel to Meruem since he is willing to abandon his humanity and become something akin to monster just to kill Pitou.
Fist of the North Star had three endings, I'm pissed that it continued. Had the perfect ending with Raoh, had an OK ending with Ken-oh with a shitty plot thread, then resolved that thread terribly.
stop eating shit anon
>The japanese cant write good stories
This is a midwit take if serious, shonen shit is for kids. Its like reading garbage Marvel and DC comics and coming to the conclusion no western writer can write anything good, and every genre has its tropes
shonens are being made for fucking 10-year olds
it doesn't need good writing or anything. it's all about being cool and flash etc.
if you are more than 18 years old, and try to find logic in shonen manga/anime then you should unironically have a nice day
>if you are more than 18 years old, and try to find logic in shonen manga/anime then you should unironically have a nice day
You jest but man, the gag mangas I read had a much more cohort logic/world-building and funny enough, power scaling then the big three
Being a popular manga has it's curse come in trying to make it continue and it not even being done. Imagine if Super Mario Bros halfway through changed and became worst.
>The japanese cant write
Compared to who?
It's hard to understate how much more original worlds, characters and moments the average action manga (including even popular shounen) has compared to the average western action slop
>reads japanese children's stories.
>complains about the writing.
but he only survived because a godruto healed him and only barely.
He's stuck in a wheelchair now
Naruto manga first few arcs are undisputed kino
*laughs in dragonKINO*
DB was only good before timeskip.
all shonen has shit writing
Naruto's writing was actually alright if you compare it to One Piece and Bleach.
Every arc flows into the other organically.
I mean I don't think Kubo put any forethought on the story and you don't usually see people discussing its story in earnest. There's probably more discussion about shipping and the last chapter than the overall story itself.
>Every Naruto arc flows into the other organically
wtf am I reading
survives anyway
One of the silliest asspulls in the war arc. He shouldn't have survived. Naruto shouldn't have been able to save him. None of that made sense, Kishimoto just really didn't want to kill the character. Or any character.
Except for Neji, which was the only single actually relevant/heartfelt loss in a global scale war arc.
As much as I like Naruto, it really went on a downhill after the Pain Arc writing wise.
Fucking dumbass, Naruto was able to do that because he momentarily had Hagoromo's Yang seal.
>he was able to assault because of some asspull mechanism
>asspull
Based speedreader
You can't bring back what you did not set up.
It's the difference between O MY RUBBER NEN and... basically every fight and plot point in Bleach.
Sometimes that happens without any sort of foreshadowing and on the spur of the moment is, quite effectively, an asspull.
Quite shameful of you to call anyone else a dumbass btw.
Naruto also healed Kakashi's empty eye socket and gave him a new eye like he was Jesus.
Kishimoto probably kept Guy alive because Kakashi pretty much lost everyone he cares about.
>downhill after the Pain Arc writing wise.
In my opinion, the downhill slope was immediately once Shippuden started.
>series is about ninja wars and fighting
>seems like most ninjas have pretty straightforward powers, some bloodline techniques but nothing too busted
>Zabuza is regarded as extremely strong and really he's just strong/fast and has a big sword, and throws some water around
>fast forward to Shippuden
>first big fight we see is a guy that can fly indefinitely and drop the equivalent a nuclear bomb, and then his strongest technique is literally invisible bombs that blow you up from the inside out within a fuckhuge area (he lost this fight)
Power creep just got out of control and it basically destroyed it's central premise. I don't know how you can have ninja wars when every village has a few people that are Goku level power level by comparison.
Deidara was introduced before timeskip, my fellow secondary.
>Deidara was introduced before timeskip,
Like, at the last chapter.
Were all his powers introduced at that time? No? Cool.
Don't forget how Kakashi LOST to Zabuza's water prison and required help from children to break free, did nothing else pre-timeskip, then once timeskip happened he had spacial warping powers.
I have this theory that the Rock Lee vs Gaara fight kind of REALLY fucked up the pacing of power-scaling in Naruto, resulting in the retarded shit we see in the rest of the series
for me it was the arc before the ninja war where naruto is learning the tailed beast bomb. that was when I first wondered "where do they even go from here". Edo tensei Madara just dropping meteors on people's heads didn't help either
>Power creep just got out of control
Did you forget that Gaara summoned Shukaku in Part 1?
Every shounen anime would be better if it just had over the top power levels right from the start.
naruto started to turned to shit with the stop Sasuke from leaving arc and finally the chakara ninetail beasts shooting lasers.
I was hype for Akatsuki but then they just dropped like flies. At least we got Gai vs Kisame, Kisame was a real bro
Kishimoto didn’t want to do a lot of shit that the publisher had him do. Madras was supposed to be the end boss Literally anything after him is the company trying to force the series going. Many such cases unfortunately.
Madara*
Guy VS Madara was my favorite fight of the entire series, or at least top three. If you disagree then you have shit taste.
MIGHTO GUY is actually super badass, even Madara himself proclaimed Guy as the strongest, at least in Taijutsu, and even almost killed him. I doubt even Tobirama or Hashirama would have stood much of a chance against Eight Gates Guy. EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGED GUY, even Kakashi said Guy was better than him.
It's not a fight though. It's Madara allowing Guy + Gaara + Minato + Kakashi to disarm him so he can experience Guy's taijutsu
>If you disagree then you have shit taste.
Obito v Kakashi.
Naruto was shit after Madara's introduction.
>Wanting Gai to die because of your feelings
Fuck off, you heartless monster. I'm glad Naruto could save his life.
Man, imagine being Kakashi.
>grew up without a mother
>father killed himself out of shame
>squad mate gets crushed by a huge ass boulder in front of you
>forced to kill Rin thus breaking his promise to Obito and live with guilt for the rest of his life
>then Minato, his teacher soon followed up and died as well
Kakashi only hangs out with Guy, Yamato, and Jiraiya and the latter died too lol.
mangabros...its times like this that reminds me that we're not much better than capeshit...
I can't wait to read the next chapter of Boruto Two Blue Vortexes
Shit is going down.
Bro, did you see how good the Wan Piss live action is!?
I hate Kawaki for the fake that Naruto straight up adopted him, just let him live inside the village and be a father figure is enough.
>luffy is told when gear one was introduced that overuse of it will slowly kill him
>proceeds to use it in almost every fucking battle minor or otherwise
>never gets mentioned again
Thats gear 2 retard
Gear 1 is his normal self, thats why its called second gear
We're all the way at Gear Five now.
To be honest most of these "techniques that will eventually kill you through overuse" are irrelevant because none of these shonen characters are the type to live to old age anyway.
always like that in shonens
remember when kaioken was incredibly dangerous to use even at lower multipliers? then by the time goku faced frieza he could use it at will with no repercussions
>King Kai's face when that lunatic Goku uses more than x2
Only applied for the Vegeta fight, and was only good in the Vegeta fight.
>x2 puts goku near par with Vegeta
>x3 has goku be equal with Vegeta
>Vegeta hates fair fights and spergs out over this and tries to destroy the Earth
>x4 with kamehameha beats galik gun
>Goku cannot fight anymore because there's actual consequences to the technique
>Vegeta spergs out harder and goes great ape when he honestly could've just won anyway
>fucking Yajirobi cuts off his tail because he's torturing Goku instead of winning the fight
>CAN STILL WIN IN THIS POSITION
>Gohan sees the fake moon and goes bananas
>Vegeta gets his shit rocked despite being able to win easily for most of the fight
I miss how good DBZ was.
in any other situation this would be retarded but vegeta is such a petty cunt that it works and you don't question how the throws a perfectly winnable fight because of his ego, dbz is pure kino
In DBS they have an episode dedicated to Goku having heavy side effects of using SSB+Kaioken after the battle with Hit ranging from severe muscle bending to inability to control ki properly to random warping around on instant transmission.
>random warping around on instant transmission.
That was so fucking stupid and added nothing but an Arale cameo. These kind of sol episodes tend to be terribly written.
>using kaioken to boost your power x2 is dangerous
>turning your body SSJ and boosting your power by like billions is ez mode
>with no repercussions
He fucking died of a heart attack in the original timeline
>He fucking died of a heart attack in the original timeline
from t̶h̶e̶ v̶a̶x̶x̶ a random ass disease, nothing linking it to kaioken usage
He contracted the heart disease virus on Yardrat
Luffy's also had Ivankov's treatment that he said would also cut his life expectancy down. Oda can't stop drawing parallels between him and Roger, so I guarantee Luffy will catch whatever "illness" that Roger had after they find the One Piece and decide to go out in a similar way before it actually claims him.
Wasn't Naruto told the Rasenshuriken could fuck up his arm?
He was, but that's why he started throwing them instead of keeping it in his hand
How much longer is the retard author going to drag One Piece for? He's going to be 50 in two years from now on.
The author of Berserk who also dragged his piece of shit manga for way too long died at 54 of a heart attack. What's to say this dude won't randomly just die off of something as well and then there'll be no ending?
Oda has said that he locked away the manuscript of the ending just in case he dies so the story can be finished.
Also we're in the final arc so it'll probably end in a year or two at this point.
>in a year or two at this point.
Wano lasted nearly 4 years.
I'd expect at least 2 arcs on the scale of that.
I do expect that One Piece will end in the 10 year ballpark. More than 5 but less than 10l.
Imagine writing that in case you die. People take these stories so seriously.
Gear 1/2 have more weight and impact to them than any of these shitty clownhouse later transformations, what the fuck was so wrong with just getting super pissed off and gatling-punching the shit out of people? It worked just fine for multiple top-tier anime but Oda is way too far up his own ass to the point he even makes not giving a shit about boundaries or coherency pretentious.
>what the fuck was so wrong with just getting super pissed off and gatling-punching the shit out of people?
can you imagine luffy beating someone like kaidou (whose power level is basically early dbz where they can blow up an entire city) just by punching him to death with a gatling gun? even with bullshit haki
you mean aside from the fact that it gets boring and it's why DBZ has declined in popularity over the years?
One might argue that One Piece's strength is that it balances the dramatic with the comedic, the self-serious with the absurd.
>It worked just fine for multiple top-tier anime
That eventually either went down in popularity, ended poorly or outright got canned.
Because it turns out that unless you're really good at choreographing action (which most shonen mangaka aren't, funnily enough), that just hitting harder because angy doesn't have the same impact when you do it for the 20th time
One Piece has generally set itself apart by being a better mix of more typical shonen battle shit and more adventurous rubberhose comic aesthetics
One piece was always supposed to be semi-serious in a bizzaro world
The fact that it's now become looney tunes is just a testament to it's shit writing
It makes everything a joke including the stakes and the story
Pre-timeskip both crocodile and Kuma told Luffy to get serious, but all that's happened is that Luffy and his friends get plot armor anytime a death flag comes up
meanwhile in that same fight
Shut up
My point stands
>knows he doesn't have much time to live, probably in his 40's, turned himself in to seal his fate, under marine custody
not shit he's gonna look like that. and one piece has always been half looney tunes half serious shonen
>Roger went from menacing looking guy to Luffy
I hate
>the memory/legend of gold roger vs the reality
It's almost as if the guys with the childlike whimsy and cartoonish strength to reject the order of the world are the ones that the World Government puts the highest bounties and priority on taking down
Again, there's a balance.
Mind you, the guy cutting Zoro (a send-up to the Legend of Zorro) is named Dracula.
There's drama and romance but there's also goofiness too.
You were never going to get a super-serious show with the main character's primary power set being based on rubber. You'll get moments of seriousness when the stakes call for it but it's usually balanced with the absurd.
I don't think it's a coincidence that one of the closest fights Luffy ever had was against Katakuri, who only got stronger when he also embraced the absurd and leaned more into using his fucking Galactic Donut attack, or his entire moveset based on rich confectionaries
It's funny to me that anyone who has been into One Piece for a long time can get upset about the presence of the absurd and comedic in it. It's arguably the biggest reason it didn't get as big in the West in the 00s compared to Bleach and Naruto and DBZ.
One piece ended for me here
I think it's a much more interesting story for dreams to come face to face with harsh reality and one piece always best excelled when it tried to impart that lesson like with the death of Ace
You can't always get what you want
Unless you're Luffy of course at which point you could just warp reality around you and be a literal god
>One piece ended for me here
>brings up the death of ace as a good point
So it didn't end for you there you low iq subuman.
If it didn't continue past here, it's fine
Impel down and war are great arcs but I closed my heart to one piece at the archipelago
>sabaody gud bcuz sad = gud
heard this a thousand times
characters experience hardships to grow, and the straw hats have grown in spades especially since sabaody. Not to discredit it of course that arc is a fucking masterpiece but remember they're now a full fledged yonko crew. while they were always ready to take on the WG they now have the strength to do it. What else would all the suffering have been for if not for them to grew?
They didn't grow as characters they just got powered up and nami grew huge tits
Just say that you don't like post-time skip like most fans. I can agree with you there though there are a few redeeming qualities of post-time skip such as characters like Fujitora and Kyros.
Why do you bring those two as if they're contradictory? Are you retarded? Would you rather a series end in what you consider its peak or instead let it meander around?
>it ended for me here
>references a scene that happens way later as something that exists for them even though the story is already over for them when Luffy loses to Kuma
Logic, do you follow it?
Well pursuing your dreams is the big theme of One Piece, and the romance of having ambition.
Obviously you'll face obstacles and even tragedies along the way but the idea is that your dreams still should matter.
Luffy hitting Gear 5 and basically shifting the genre from Battle Manga to Gag Manga always felt appropriate because Battle manga is his opponents and the World Government and Marines are living in. They're almost always firmly in the space of seeing the world in terms of fire power and man power and that's what the world order is about. And Luffy making fun of that idea and paradigm, turning it on its head and pointing out how stupid it is is more thematically consistent than if he unlocked Gear Death or if he just gave up.
I think it's important to remember that becoming King of the Pirates isn't even really defined by being the Strongest Pirate like being Kage is in Naruto. It's about having the drive to follow your dream and it doesn't necessarily have to manifest in the form of "beat up bigger guy than last guy" narratively.
One piece wasn't really a battle manga until post timeskip
It was more of an adventure manga with battle elements
It's Oda own fault for making it the way it is and than shifting genres because he's mad at the shit he himself turned one piece into
Also it's ugly
>he's mad at the shit he himself turned one piece into
you think that?
he loves these disastrously paced mega arcs because all he wants to do is draw characters with funny shapes, wano, whole cake, dressrosa, some of them exceed 100 named characters that only exist because he thought the design would be kinda funny
the editors are the problem, it's miyamoto syndrome, nobody is going to tell him that he's doing it wrong when he has led the way to this much success
I fucking love One Piece but I will not say it could ever have been considered a battle manga. Its fights are terrible and basically only exist as a vehicle for driving the story forward.
How can one make this claim when pretty much every arc has fighting involved (even from the first chapter)? You should correct it and say " never have have been considered a good battle manga" which is true since the characters spout off random moves out of nowhere with no forehsadowing for the most part outside of maybe haki.
The story mostly focuses on the struggles endured by the characters and how that relates to the greater arc or saga, rather than focusing solely on the fights. It does have a lot of fights, but nothing is ever really explained, and the fights themselves are often incredibly illogical. I guess you could consider it a battle manga, but the term "battle manga" to me denotes a special importance placed on fighting that isn't really seen in One Piece.
>but nothing is ever really explained
Did we not just get a bunch of explanations and flashbacks in Wano for nearly every Straw Hat? I think the only ones that didn't really get to shine were Jinbei, Franky, Nami and Usopp. In fact if you go by the anime most hype in recent years was brought about by the animation of Gear 5 (a fight).
I'm talking about individual moves and shit.
The choreography and moves are largely nonsensical.
Yes but they still make up a large chunk of One Piece. It's a battle manga with some decent payoffs in the setting but to say that it's just there to fill the time is disingenuous when Oda clearly gives them some background and explanation in post-time skip. It hasn't been that long since ryuo was a thing for example and that had a whole training arc attached to it.
It's not a martial art manga but it is a battle manga (and that's not a derogatory term so I'm not sure why you think it is in context unless you think popular thing = bad in which case you should just stop reading One Piece then). I don't even particularly hate Gear 5's abilities but the execution of its reveal was terrible (Who's Who just bringing it up all of a sudden a few chapters before and it basically making all of the time spent on giving ryuo build up to becoming pointless).
>basically making all of the time spent on giving ryuo build up to becoming pointless
honestly that was never going to have a good payoff
i don't think pivoting away from it is some masterwork commentary about the power scaling getting dull and needing to be Hispaniced up, but it is amusing to discard the latest BUT MY HAKI WAS STRONGER shit before executing on it
Then why spend so much time making it a big deal? You'd think with how much Wano wank Oda was going on about (in particular during Oden Piece) that he'd let something from Wano be what delivers the final blow to Kaido. Just seems like an incredible waste and merely an excuse to bring Straw Hats back into the relevance of WG sooner than later since the story is near its end. I say they should've saved Gear 5 for after they beat Kaido and have to deal with the new admiral that invades the island.
>You'd think with how much Wano wank Oda was going on about (in particular during Oden Piece) that he'd let something from Wano be what delivers the final blow to Kaido.
i mean foreign intervention is kind of every single story beat that matters in wano, so why would it be that?
the only native story for wano was about orochi
Take back (not) Japan with (not) Japanese style of course.
the samurai are self fellaters that blow hard
about the only shred of intelligence came from someone that spent a decent portion of their life out at sea
momo saying that wano needs to remain closed is about the best thing they could have done
contrary to the iconic phrase, the samurai are WEAK
>Who's Who just bringing it up all of a sudden a few chapters
Speedreader-kun
NTA but the battles in One Piece, at their best, are much more about having something weird go on on screen
It's funny to me that people like Gear 2 and junk when I'd say the best fights in One Piece are when either someone uses a new move or such that is visually weirder than what we've seen before, or characters use existing moves in a new visually distinct way
The worst fights in this series, at least in manga form, are the ones where nothing really new happens because the way fights are actually laid out and paced and shot is kind of boring when it's just normal punching and kicking.
Funnily enough, some of these fights end up being the big ones at the ends of arcs so they get the all-star treatment in the anime which makes them easier to enjoy.
I still hold Katakuri vs Luffy up as the best middle ground between gag manga and battle manga that the series has done post-time skip. I like that Katakuri actually got stronger when he embraced the silliness of his abilities. That's about as in-line with the very ideas and themes of One Piece as you can get
I've actually come to not like the casual use of ideas like "Plot armor" in specific situations.
Yes, every shonen protagonist in history got very, very lucky with their various encounters throughout their series. Anyone could comb through different events where realistically, the main character should have died and only lived thanks to chance arrivals, mercy, pure luck, and so on.
But that's the case for ANY legend. That's what makes them legends. They ALL had to defy the odds. Skill or talent can only truly take you so far. To be a legend, you unironically need luck. Otherwise, it'd be no different from following around a side character who dies off in like, 17 chapters in some insignificant way.
Legends die all the time at their peak though
That's what makes them legends
They don't sit around for 60 more years ruining their reputations and mysticism
They die at their peak
I wonder how Caesar would react to learning that he makes a large portion of the world fat and happy with his name attached to a pizza brand. Love me Lil' Ceez
Some do. The luckier still may yet live on.
Look at any story about a war hero who went out on several missions, did something fucking nuts, and came home to die of old age.
Why would you want this though? Plot armor can be obnoxious when it's too obvious but wouldn't it be super anticlimactic to have the characters die to food poisoning or a stray bullet, ignoring the potential they could have to the narrative?
Can be handled by changing perspectives and then finishing the story by following someone else, or if you don't kill the protagonist at least have some shit happen to him, something with permanent effect at least. If you're going to focus on the same person all the time then they need to be vulnerable in some way, if not them directly then people they care about, without credible stakes you can't get properly invested into a fight as there are no risks
>and then finishing the story by following someone else,
Most people hate that shit though. Do you know how many people tuned out when that character for walking Dead left?
>or if you don't kill the protagonist at least have some shit happen to him, something with permanent effect at least.
That's at least fair. I just don't abide by the notion that killing characters willy nilly automatically makes it better. Akame ga Kill did it and you can tell the author regretted it.
>without credible stakes you can't get properly invested into a fight as there are no risks
Whatevers more interesting I think.
Akame ga kill was killing characters from chapter 1 for shock value, it's not a positive example for anything. Also replacing characters depends on how it's done and who it's replaced with, and yeah most people hate character replacements but that's an argument for popularity and not quality though of course most authors want to sell and make money. And something bad happening isn't absolutely necessary, but you need to make it seem like it COULD happen, but generally the longer a story goes with threats that amount to nothing the less credible any further threat looks. Look at promised Neverland and its initial arc, it wouldn't have had the same impact if we hadn't seen that girl. Anyway for a manga with actual consequences you can check out Chi - Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite you'll get used to the art style, at least I did.
>Chi - Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite
Thanks for the rec.
Have fun
But he get mummified afterwards. I don't know why only Alabasta arc had that grim tone where the world is a cruel place. Luffy's attitude was kinda a bit mature too even if he is an idiot most of the time.
luffy got absolutely bodied over and over and over again from impel down through marineford
naturally the second half of the series will show growth and make him victorious the next time after he learns to rely on his crew instead of charging headfirst like an idiot into alabasta, marineford, impel down etc
But he charged headfirst against don flamingo, cracker, and kaido
He didn't learn anything
doffy isn't even that strong, and his crew was around to take care of his cavalcade of clowns
as for kaido he does at first I'll give you that but it was a plot necessity because oda needs to make everything about muh haki and the arc would be over too soon if kaido was down in the first 10 episodes
The SOUL of one piece, aka East Blue is grimtone as fuck even if all the villains are goofballs
Buggy is a legit menace and fishmen are legitimate monsters
It's the only part of one piece where pirates actually do pirating
It's clear they are setting up Luffy dying young.
>Magellan's poison halved his lifespan
>NOTHING HAPPENED
> The toll G5 had on his body and he seemed to age 50 years all at once.
Some other things that don't come to mind.
I'm guessing ending of One Piece will come full circle and Luffy will start a new pirate age with his death.
I'm also on the baot of nothing bad will happen to Luffy. He already got his moment in the gallows in Loguetown pre time skip.
Except, there's a way to expand one's lifespan in One Piece, and the 2 sources of it are friends with Luffy.
Law and who else?
Boney's age reversion is temporary, Ivankov's hormones just kill you faster on the long run.
I was thinking of Bonney, guess I was too much of a Spee D. Reader to notice that the effects are only temporary.
Yeah, to be fair it was only revealed recently when she turned Vegapunk into a toddler.
>"unlocking this ability means you die before 30"
>Series ends
>No strong implications that the characters who unlocked this ability will not die before 30
By the time Demon Slayer is over, doesn't it do a timeskip into the future showing the lives of the main character's descendants?
They're all dead. What's it matter now?
Nah it's just something I liked about the ending. There's a very bittersweet feeling that some characters don't have long to live in peace together, especially in the the scene with Tanjirou and Kanao.
90% of the cast died in the final battle anyway
I don't think he'll stay alive at the end of the series but i hope i'm wrong
Gear 2 kinda came out of nowhere. Luffy just suddenly comes with the idea to increase his blood flow.
That was just Lucci telling Luffy that he was straining his body beyond its limits by using it. At this point, he's gotten so strong that using it shouldn't have any long-term impact on him. The REAL "lose X years of your life" meme in One Piece is when Ivankov brings Luffy back from death in Impel Down, and that's something that should be acknowledged by the end of the series or Oda is a hack
it's not like this is Dragon Ball and he knew he was gonna be saved afterwards. as far as Guy knew this was a sincere last ditch effort where he maxed himself the fuck out at the cost of the rest of his life. even after Naruto saves him, he still never regains use of his legs. so he did at the very least still end up sacrificing his ability to walk and to be a shinobi. this action was still significant and still had permanent consequences.
goddamn it, apparently he does regain use of one of his legs in Boruto.
that's outside my realm though, Naruto ended with The Last movie for me. Boruto has been a mess and i don't like it.
>apparently
I wish all secondaries a painful death.
God I miss this manga so much. 2013 was an eternity ago.
what do you think you're talking about? i'm a secondary cause i don't follow Boruto?
Can you even keep up with the shit you type? You said that Guy apparently can use his other leg in Boruto, but he never lost it in the first place.
do rock lee and tenten fuck or what
nope
rock lee has a kid named metal lee, but his mother has literally never been shown
ten ten is running a dead end weapons shop
it should be clear that kishimoto hates team gai
>character is told a spell is extremely dangerous and will probably kill him
>it actually does
The worst part about anime like Naruto is how the main characters have ridiculous plot armor for their heckin purist idealism. I feel sorry for people who take this shit to heart. Asians are fucking horrible about idealism.
>main character has plot armor
No way...
yeah but it's not just that they have plot armor, it's how the themes play into it and how all the other characters have the same shit going on. Last arc was terrible and so was the resolution where all the war criminals are just forgiven. Narutos power of friendship/peace and luffy's ethical piracy is fucking cringe.
I understand forgiving Orochimaru, his efforts helped a lot, but Kabuto started all that shit.
But anon, Kabuto was an orphan and that's sad so he should be forgiven for fueling a war and performing human sacrifice to do necromancy and forcing people to fight their dead relatives and loved ones.
Kabuto is fucked up, don't forget his complete and absolute joy when he saw Tsunade scared and while he was beating the shit out of her.
>Kabuto started all that shit.
Kabuto unironically was the only one who got punished, izanami will fuck a dude up hard
The most baffling phenomenon lately may be that there's Boruto fans out there, I don't mean Naruto fans that stuck around to see their favorite characters except Guy and Kakashi get raped by the story out of morbid curiosity but actual Boruto-only fans.
The art style is so unbelievable bad that I just can't find anything that justifies being a Boruto fan unless maybe they exclusively watch the anime and even that's reaching because it's boring as fuck, people can shit talk naruto all they want but the consistency there was something else, it had real legs at the very least, maybe the games will finally give any older fan to actually like this series but CC2 has gotten too comfortable.
>3rd manga on Mangaplus (it's going to shoot to 1st after the second chapter releases)
>You're still trying to deny it's popularity
Boruto is fun. That's why it's popular.
You have literally never read any of the extened naruto material or boruto. Boruto has been good since kishimoto fired the fag ruining his universe and took over
The Boruto anime was pretty fun until it caught up to the manga which became abit too convoluted and writes out the fun characters that the manga ignores giving basically just Boruto, Sarada, Kawaki and Shikadai screentime.
Boruto filler on average > Naruto part 2 canon on average.
Just read fanfiction.
He isn't compatable.
>Character has a power up that anyone in the franchise can have but no other character ever uses it.
It took Might Duy decades to master the 8 gates, and that's because he could only use Taijutsu.
It took Lee less than a decade to get to the fifth, maybe not even half a decade, and if you are willing get powerful but dont want to have a nice day, 5 is enough.
>5 is enough
5 wasn't even enough for teen Gaara...
teen Gaara was a freak of nature and could've solo'd multiple Leaf Jonin.
Kaguya is 4% of the story at the literal very end of Naruto. lol
>Kaguya is 4% of the story at the literal very end of Naruto. lol
So, let me get this straight. Boruto, a completely different story, undermines Naruto, but Naruto itself doesn't.
yeah. cause i can show someone all of Naruto up until the episode before Zetsu double crosses Madara - tell them that Naruto and Sasuke defeated Madara - then skip the the Final Valley fight and continue on to the end from there and literally nothing about their experience would change other than having missed a buncha big fight stuff with Obito, Kakashi getting both Sharingan, and the new Sanin NaruSaksuSaku thing.
Kaguya's plot relevance is nigh uninexistant up until she shows up or after. even Toneri can be handwaved as another wild movie villain who doesn't really matter to the main story aside from facilitating the events of a movie. you can't undermine your story when it's like 4% at the very end that doesn't really do anything other than create another boss battle above Madara until Boruto starts sucking off the Otsusuki 24/7 and has the entire plot revolve around them.
>just skip it bro
Fucking hell, don't ever waste my time again with your shit.
i wasn't saying you should, i'm saying that you could and that's part of why it's only 4% of the show and not super significant pre-Boruto.
Kakashi can also use 8th inner gates but he could only open the first one.
>and that's because he could only use Taijutsu.
Wrong. He uses summoning jutsu all the time.
Learn to read.
>a technique that can rival the kages and even the tailed beasts can be taught to anybody
>Guy was extremely selective on who he wanted to inherent this knowledge
>In the first Boruto movie, Rock Lee taught about a dozen children the eight gates
>Konoha now has the means to mass-produce nuclear bombs
I dont know about you fags but I think this should have a fuck ton of political implications in the world. More so than the tailed beasts ever did since literally anybody can use it.
I always assumed the 8 gates would become the technique-of-preference of some sort of proto-communist group or something
Like, I'm surprised the fuckery of the bloodlines, between Naruto, Madara, Sasuke and others, would make normies without any ninjutsu or genjutsu talent freak the fuck out and want to start being able to defend themselves
I guess there is that lab that was making ninjutsu gadgets but I'm surprised you dont have some militant revolutionary group in Konoha made up of nothing but 8-gate taijutsu users
Why doesn't orochimaru like make a bunch of clones to use the 8 gates?
I assume shadow clones and the like would be dispelled by the self-inflicted damage but I'm talking about vat grown people made to use the 8 gates.
Oh, I presume because it may actually require a lot of practice and training. Like it's implied that Gai had to teach and train Lee to do it, and it actually took his dad Dai DECADES to perfect the technique. So i imagine there's a combination of physical conditioning needed to do it as well as withstand it, and then there's an actual bit of practice to go against what is a natural biological instinct and tendency.
I always sort of likened 8 gates in my head to trying to take control over your subconscious, automatic process for beating your heart. It would take an immense amount of effort (if even possible) to try to reach back into your own mind for a process you're not supposed to have control of and start operating it manually. It's bad enough when you're reminded that you can manually do certain auto-pilot processes like keep your breathing.
So I guess the fact that that would have to be a manual process of teaching and practicing with each clone to get them to do this thing is why Orochimaru doesn't do it (as is my headcanon)
I'd rather watch/read shonen than late night low budget Isekai shows.
I want Bort fans to sell me on Boruto. Why is it good to you?
Because i want to breed with eida
t. Code
it was kinda interesting until they introduced the Infinite Tsukuyomi girl and the Otsusuki Omniking. it's undermining the original story of Part 1 and Part 2 now though and it doesn't seem to be for any real compelling reason other than just for the sake of continuing. i wouldn't bother.
>it's undermining the original story of Part 1 and Part 2
No it's not, and it's baffling that you're saying part 2 when Kaguya is the one that started it all in Naruto.
Is shippuden worth a watch? Or is it better to play the gamus?
I enjoyed Ultimate Ninja 3/4/5 but never finished the Storm titles.
Also watched Naruto before but on tv as a kid.
I'd argue that Naruto as whole really isn't worth it unless you really like the characters
Kino
>character gets HP set to 0
>doesn't die until the fight is over
I stopped watching this goy show after they ruined rock lee, I'm not interested in all those main fags the only character who feel well written at first was rock lee but they fucked him hard later on
>final fight that starts with giant mechas eventually degrades into a tired fist fight
kino
naruto is such a cheating bastard. makes for his lack of skills in fighting by just using clones
Naruto has always been the dumbest fuck in the series
like, even after he gets recognized by the village after beating pain, he still wants to be top desk worker. And it's not like he even wants to do so to change how things are done, he just wants to do so.
Even when he's a fucking retard at the logistical, managerial or academic side of running the village, the characters lock him in a room to study so he can be hokage.
His goal might be the most retarded that any shonen protag has had since it's not actually what he wants but he still does a job that no longer serves a purpose for him and he is not a naturally good fit for.
Like, fucking sakura should be hokage with the amount of desk work it involves. she was always the smartest of the three, she was one of the handful of people during the chunin exam who didn't even need to cheat to pass the test.
it would be the best place for her given she's pretty weak compared to naruto and sasuke and they would be better off sent on peace-keeping missions
>for his lack of skills in fighting
Naruto is a literal combat genius that's more skilled in taijutsu and chakra control than sasuke is.
No the fuck he isn't. He basically just brute forced all of his fights.
A Goku he ain't.
Not him but it's true. The taijutsu might be debatable but Naruto being better at chakra control is true. You need it to be perfect with it to learn sage mode and Naruto has since gotten much stronger.
>Not him but it's true.
Until I see Naruto doing a rasengan with his feet he can't be called a fighting genius.
Hell his son has more variations of he rasengan at this point.
NTA but you'd think he would've learned some good taijutsu from training with Jiraiya.
Learning a skill and being a fighting genius are two different things. Part of being a fighting genius is the ability to think on your feet and adapt to a situation which he rarely did. Hell, as a shonen protagonist his skill set is fucking abysmal.
>Part of being a fighting genius is the ability to think on your feet and adapt to a situation which he rarely did.
He learned how to freestyle Rasengan after seeing a child play with a toy though. He also sped through his training with sage mode really quickly despite only recently learning about different element of chakra. He was also very quickly able to tame his tailed beast even though he had years of resentment of it for ruining his developmental years and making him an orphan.
He is quite literally ninja jesus anon. The only thing I don't like is the final arc where him and Sasuke are bestowed god-like powers after dying and resurrecting to beat the moon bunny who comes out of left field with Zetsu randomly being important all of a sudden robbing all of Madara's setup as the final antagonist. Now THAT is hack storytelling.
He isn't a boy lover
>Naruto is a literal combat genius
If that were true, he would be able to beat Sasuke without shadow clones.
>chakra control
Not only is this false, we're literally shown that Naruto has to burn almost twice as much chakra as Sasuke to produce 1/3 as many clones
Naruto can't even make a normal rasengan without having twice as many hands on the thing at first.
He's a fucking retard who has to learn shit faster by using hundreds of shadow clones to exp-cheat. He's not a genius who figures stuff out well, he just has more ammunition to throw than Sasuke
>only used pre-timeskip knowledge.
Opinion discarded. If you go even further than Shippuden and into Brotuo then Naruto can easily stomp Sasuke in a pure melee fight if Sasuke doesn't use his special eyes. Naruto with no clones is fair if Sasuke gets to use his eyeball powers.
>If you go even further than Shippuden
the fucking horror jesus christ
>into Brotuo
now why on earth would anyone get into boruto? it reads like a fan comic
>Naruto can easily stomp Sasuke in a pure melee fight
in terms of the stuff you're talking about, i'm sure you're right. my point is that in naruto, the series titled "naruto", the titular character is a retard who not only barely studies but also shows basically no talent for anything and is not very good at doing anything when his kyubi powers aren't involved.
My experience is that he's a better fighter in shippuden, I remember sasuke being better too. But I wouldn't say he's a genius or anything. He's just been practicing for a few years
Bro you know why his chakra control was an issue at that point of time right?
Maybe in part 1. After the timeskip, he barely uses physical combat and went straight for the kill with rasengan spam. Perhaps the only time he use taijutsu heavily was during Pain's fight but after that he mostly use Kurama's chakra to get through everything.
>that's more skilled in taijutsu
Is he really? I'm pretty sure he never displayed any decent taijutsu until Boruto, and that was after being trained by fucking Rock Lee. Meanwhile, Sasuke at least keeps up with people using the Sharingan. He got smoked by Bee, but he was keeping up in hand-to-hand combat.
>chakra control
Sasuke had chakra manipulation down at the start of Shippuden. He was materializing fucking lightning swords. All Naruto could do was make a big rasengan with clones. I'm not buying that. Dude didn't even learn Rasenshuriken until halfway through the damn series. Hell, he doesn't even make good use of wind element outside of that. Meanwhile, Sasuke is channeling lightning on command and shooting fire like a damn dragon.
>be in world with magic powers
>be skilled at one magic power
>get called a cheating for using said magic power
This isn't MMA retard
>creating shadow clones with no hand signs
The hands doing the rasengan was a really touching moment during that fight, which was made funnier by the only hand showing up for sasuke being itachis.
I've always found the idea that Naruto's strength is his friends to be funny because most of the time, Naruto actually just beats the shit out of whoever he's fighting. Like it's not like he's a great organizer or a particularly convincing person in terms of charisma or argument.
Like, in most series, Power of Friendship is "I'll fight even harder because my friends are on the line", but Naruto is sort of propped up as being good at uniting people like some sort of leader but he's not really good at that save for the fact that the writer just sort of has characters agree or give up whenever he starts talking.
But in fights, he actually usually wins on his own. Hell, during the Ninja War, he's actually the one turning the tide of a losing battle by sending out weaker shadow clones of himself to different fronts, implying he's probably worth more than the entire Ninja army combined
There's that one scene of him granting everyone some of nine tails power and they all do rasengans but I don't even think that did much in the immediate fight they were up against because Kishimoto was still writing Madara into an unbeatable corner
>Like it's not like he's a great organizer or a particularly convincing person in terms of charisma or argument.
He just unites people with strength, like the only 4 people who liked him as he truly was and not for his strength, was Iruka, Sasuke, Hinata and Bee.
Naruto literally masted Frog Kata, had to come up on the fucking fly with how to get more sage mode energy in regards to the shadow clones cause Kurama sure wasn't letting the frogs onto his shoulders. If you're bitching about his shadow clones, may as well bitch about sasukes eye bullshit too. You're also using PTS naruto chakra control where he still had orochimarus fucking seal on that was fucking over his chakra because it was an odd seal on top of an even seal.
>He just unites people with strength
ah, the nuclear power strategy. very ballsy of kishimoto to endorse united states super-power status like that
>If you're bitching about his shadow clones, may as well bitch about sasukes eye bullshit too
sure, neither of them are very exceptional at much without being hand-trained by super ninjas (jiraiya, orochimaru, etc) or their inborn powers. And they were only chosen for being trained by such people because of their inborn powers and heritage, so I'm not particularly impressed with how their main character statuses enabled them to get so strong
picrel, from the very first episode
my man could not get his shit together for ONE clone. Sakura has the highest amount of chakra control in the series, and nobody calls her a genius at anything
>series
I meant Team 7, not counting kakashi
I thought Chakra control was supposed the basics in Ninjutsu training. You know that your average Ninja need to master it so that they can walk on water and walking up the tree right? So what Sakura did is nothing spectacular.
Yes but she does so without wasting any of it
There's presumably some degree and range of how much of it you waste on any jutsu or action, kind of like how cars get better mileage with newer engines than older ones.
So Sakura has the most fine-tuned chakra control of the three of them, at least pre-timeskip. I guess she also does post-timeskip because using Tsunade's shit is presumable pretty chakra intensive for a normal person deprived of beasts or bloodline.
>had to come up on the fucking fly with how to get more sage mode energy in regards to the shadow clones cause Kurama sure wasn't letting the frogs onto his shoulders.
moron, that isn't combat.
NTA but isn't prolonging the ability to fight in a limited mode on the spot fighting genius or do you think only taijutsu matters in japanese harry potter?
>tfw old enough to recognize Uzumaki Barrage throwback
Pierot is so gay for not completing it.
if naruto is almighty nlinja jesus why did he die in boruto (no I don't read boruto)
>why did he die in boruto
He didn't. He was sent to ANOTHERRR. DIMEN-SION!
>no I don't read boruto
Yeah, I noticed.
He didn't. The bad guy trapped Naruto and Hinata in a different dimension where time doesn't pass. Sent to the shadow realm basically.
Jesus Christ, was this written by Kishimoto or the other fucker?
other guy established that SOMETHING happens to them in the first chapter of boruto, I think kishimoto actually wrote what happened though
Ukyō Kodachi was Boruto's story writer until 2020 so the whole Code storyline up until now was probably all Kishimoto injecting his failed Samurai Eight ideas into Boruto.
I think Gear Second is the coolest powerup in manga.
>taking shower
>notice steam coming off body
>do gear 2nd pose
>feel badass and limber like rubber the whole day
I lost interest in the series when Sasuke had his angsty escapade, I expected some melodrama to come out of that only for him to return anyway, and leaving that size I didn't like how the series was increasingly relying on flashy techniques. I thought this was about ninjas! I want more traps, more stealth, carefully executed plans to get the upper hand, instead I got a constantly moving power level, really a shame.
You expected a ninja manga out of ninja harry potter (even everyone's favorite Zabusa Arc had the hypest moments be magic powers like Kakashi copying Zabusa's water dragon and Haku's ice mirrors)?
You know what? Fair enough
It would be way better if it was rock Lee vs Madara instead.
Lee should had been the one to open all the gates
Yeah, kind of fucked how hard they shaft him. Tenten I get, Neji gets his big sacrifice, but Lee had the biggest demotion in importance between pre and post time-skip.
Honestly, I don't see why they couldn't just have Gai or Lee outright beat Madara, and then have moon rabbit show up afterwards once he was fully weakened. Like, what contribution to the plot is it to have Gai FAIL to kill Madara, and then have Naruto and Sasuke handle him for a little, only for him to get Zetsu'd and Rabbit'd without actually getting beaten by Nar and Sas?
Like, it feels like Kishimoto decided he couldn't have a big boss like Madara get beaten by a no-bloodline, no-beast normie so he just had Madara survive an attack which, according to Madara himself, could have killed him
>"NO! if you use that technique it will reduce your lifespan!!"
>nothing ever happens
Or something kind of happens just for the side effects to disappear completely anyway
people meme about O MY RUBBER NEN but O MY NANIKA after pic related was ten times worse imo
Gon lose his Nen after being revived. So technically he did suffered from it. You forgot his body turned a literal paste of meat that it required a specialist class to undo his Nen. What Nanika did was justified considering its power came from Dark Continent, the uncharted territory even if it was an asspull unlike O MY RUBBER NEN.
am just glad hxh is dying so the fags can stop shitting up all other shonen anime threads
>Gon loses his nen
That doesn't mean anything
Chrollo also was unable to use nen and ass pulled it out anyways in like one arc
He lost his
>Potential
Which means when he shows back up he'll just be a different type of nen user
Togashi is a hack
Gon's arc is likely finished because he already met Ging, his lifetime dream. So Togashi will focus on Kurapika and Leorio from now on. Also, a conclusion to Hisoka's rematch with Chrollo.
>Gon will be written out of the story
Lol
Lmao
Killua and Gon are the MCs
He's not going to write them out, they're stowed away on the ship
Kurapika sucks as a character, nobody wants to follow him around
It begins with Gon and ends with Gon
I hope so but looking from Togashi's progress, he is likely to kick the bucket first before that happened. Unless he already wrote the draft beforehand, I don't see HxH will ever be finished.
His wife will finish it
>Killua and Gon are the MCs
Admittedly it's largely because of hiatus, but Gon and Killua haven't appeared in almost a decade (Closer to 10 than 9 at this point.)
There's also no reason they'd have to go to the Dark Continent
and Gon's goal is finished, so I don't really get what else he'd want to do with him.
If you're going to treat shounen writing as a list of presuppositions, why bother reading? Why try so hard willing into existence something you dislike?
Also nen exorcism is a perfectly reasonable response to a literal god power against a small group of people. Kurapika is a literal "I win" MC when fighting the troupe; there has to be some counter.
What is this cope? We both know Gon would regain his nen somehow if togashi bothered to continue the story.
His Nen wouldn't be the same as previous type if he ever relearn it. But I am glad because enhancer sounds pretty boring because it all turned into PUNCH HARDER in the end. Something like conjurer and manipulator would be great but it doesn't suit his character at all.
>His Nen wouldn't be the same as previous type if he ever relearn it.
why?
>Was justified
It isn't, there's no worse way to develop a story than undoing consequences whether partially or totally. Even if Gon were to remain nenless (which I doubt, unless some sort of new jobs of power gets introduces) the damage is done, the stakes are not the same anymore and it just opens the gate for more bullshit in the future, now when some serious stakes get introduced your audience will be thinking of you'll be trying to weasel out of them as you did before
>Nen ELI5 is "The harder your ability is to use, the stronger it is"
>Gon sacrificed all his nen and potential to win just one fight that he's not even the protagonist of his own show anymore.
In fact, it's kinda harsh.
>character uses forbidden technique
>his lifespan actually get shortened and he later died from abusing it
Apart from Chrono Crusade, I am yet to see any manga does this kind of trope.
that happened in dragon ball super but it was a one-off villain so who cares
didn't tien do it too against cell
>Chrono Crusade
I'm pretty sure I watched this shit for the fan service as a kid, but I barely remember anything
is it any good?
Pretty good. But you need to experience both manga and anime because they had slightly different ending. Its okay to start with any one of them.
>pre Shippuden
>Shadow clone spam tactic
>Bunch of throwing kunai and hand to hand fight
>rasengan finished
>Post Shippuden
>Token rasengan
>Oh nyo my sausage
>Oh my nine tail chakra
All of you will KNEEL to the king off ass pulls
Why are you gays so good at talking about anything that isn't video games.
Really, nothing quite like it. I mean, YuYu Hakushu is also full of ass pulls but this takes the cake.
tbf he was saved by naruto ying yang release bullshit
>ninja scientists able to grow naruto and sasuke entirely new arms
>they can't do shit for guy's (still intact) legs
This shit always makes me lol
>Naruto can use his jesus powers to prevent Guy from dying and instantly grow Kakashi a new eye
>doesn't fix Guy's legs
He needed to be the tragic hero even if it came at the expense of coherency
The fact that Naruto and Sasuke BOTH lost their arms but they can't give Gai a prosthetic?
On the one hand, there's picrel which is kind of sweet
on the other, I'm sure Gai would like to walk sometimes but he's the type to reject the offer
>"If I am going to walk ever again, it will be through my own flesh, blood, sweat and tears."
or something along those lines.
Yeah
Also, Steam Village arc or whatever was fucking gay as fuck for gai and kakashi. Like real Three Kingdoms 2010 levels of old man yaoi on display. It's apropos of nothing but I felt like I'd mention it since I was just re-reading some early chapters to look for that scene
>Naruto can regenerate his organs full
>Can't regrow his arm back
I haven't read one piece (scary to think I could have stayed over a decade ago and I'd still be in Mr oda's wild ride) but the impression I get is that it has the opposite problem of other battle shounen, where they usually start comedic and lighthearted and then become "serious business", while one piece apparently becomes more light hearted as it goes on.
Very few people manage to get a good balance between comedy and drama and one is usually written at three expense of the other.
Anal sex with Sakura Haruno!
It's her ultimate technique after all
How come guy and lee have the best fights
Because their fights purely use Taijutsu (physical attack) arts, not eyehax magics like sharingan bullshit. Also, Lee’s character is the culmination of hardwork, not talent and THE CHOSEN ONE like Naruto and Sasuke did.
>my son, this is my last words for you before I die
>throw away my porn stash, don't let your mom know
I've come to terms with the fact that when it comes to action shounen I prefer the more comedic ones because those manga have something to stand on when the story and battles inevitably turn retarded. Shit like Beelzebub and zatch bell
I prefer comedic mangas cause Japs are just much, much better at writing for that tone/style. Even Zatch Bell as you said, did a lot of things right, and the humor was one of them. If it was a serious manga, a lot of the appeal would have died off.
Full Metal Alchemist, a manga everyone and their dad loves, has a lot of light hearted moments as well, which help punctuate the serious parts. Not to mention the other classics like Gintama, ~~*Cromartie*~~ High School and Bobo-bo Bo-bobo, the low level/comedy adventure tone is what Japs are the best at in the business.
And it's pretty clear why. Japanese is a language ridden with wordplay, manga is a visual medium and it's much easier to tell jokes in that style vs serious drama.
>Guy gets big hero moment
>Lee gets nothing
The only time this is played straight in a video game is Megaman Battle Network 4 where using dark chips reduces your max HP permanently, and no one uses it because it's too detrimental.
I like Super Saiyan 3.
God I forgot how ass fusion reborn looked.
Literally his MO
>NO NORMAL HUMAN YOU CAN'T USE THE MAGIC GOD SWORD IT WILL KILL YOU!
>Uses it twice
"I lived, bitch!"
- Dunban
Dunban is the the GOAT that's why.
To be fair, it WAS killing him. It just didn't finish.
Wasn't it fucking his arm?
Yeah it fucked up his main arm for the entirety of the main campaign yet he still remained one of your team's strongest fighter while using only his off-hand, meaning if he was at full strength he probably could have solo'd the game.
>game has an ultimate technique that can kill bosses in one strike
>but using it consumes all your mana and disables mana regeneration for 10 minutes
>but you can still use mana potions
>and you can close and open the game to get rid of the downside
What game?
Ragnarök Online
>>and you can close and open the game to get rid of the downside
>mmofag so braindead he thinks this is a super powerful exploit and not just a way to kill his enjoyment of the game
Is there game that actually followed that mechanic? I can only think of Code Vein's Final Journey but you can exploit it on bosses and beat them before its effect wears off.
post examples of actually good designed, double edged power ups
I don't think Connections will be ANY good. I wish I was wrong but that shit just gives me bad vibes.
>Delayed because of spiderman (not even a fucking multiplat)
>no rollback
>30 fps online even on PC
>looks like a fucking Storm 4 DLC
Storm 4 sold 12 million copies and this is the best they could do? What the fuck are these morons doing with this franchise's money?
>has the most unique design among Konoha Jonin
>does fucking nothing
>and when she got the chance to off her skills her opponent is Itachi of all people
I don't know if I should laugh or feel bad about Kurenai.
show off*
>Is a w*man
>Is a g*njutsu user
She never stood a chance in Kishimoto's manga
I'VE BECOME SO NUMB
I CAN'T FEEL YOU THERE
BECOME SO TIRED
SO MUCH MORE AWARE
I'M BECOMING THIS
ALL I WANT TO DO
IS BE MORE LIKE ME
AND BE LESS LIKE YOU
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE SMOTHERING ME
HOLDING TOO TIGHTLY, AFRAID TO LOSE CONTROL?
'CAUSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU THOUGHT I WOULD BE
HAS FALLEN APART RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU
SO WHAT IF YOU CAN SEE
THE DARKEST SIDE OF ME
NO ONE WOULD EVER CHANGE THIS ANIMAL I HAVE BECOME
HELP ME BELIEVE
IT'S NOT THE REAL ME
SOMEBODY HELP ME TAME THIS ANIMAL
As a kid, this was very cool
as an adult, it mostly just makes me laugh because it's so ridiculously edgy.
And it stems from the fact that the way nar and sas are in this scene is exactly how kids themselves think they look when they're angry. and that it's treated so self-seriously is never not going to be funny
I know people love Gai but this is what made me kinda start to not care for him so much. Any fight with him boils down to him pressing his "I win" button which is supposed to have serious repercussions for him but it never actually does. Kinda reminds me of early DBZ when Goku was using the Kaio-ken to beat on Vegeta, but it was visibly wearing on him and ultimately left him in a bad spot.
>Fighting game has a technique that lets you resurrect after being defeated with a small amount of health
>But in exchange, you lose access to special moves
Pretty neat.
Did they nerf that? Jonathan gets all his special moves with their extra buffs and can spam everything nonstop when he revives
Ah, my mistake. His supers are disabled, not his specials. Hence the busted gauge.
Dragonball copied red ssj
What went wrong? I jerked off so much to Anko when I was a kid.
She got fat
>girl with no father figure turns into a whore
Those are some long legs
I wonder if all the other fathers in the Leaf laugh at Sasuke
Right after they zip up their pants
>Villain gets away with EVERYTHING from murder, attempted coup, unethical experiments, paedophilia, to straight up bringing the dead back to life
>Reason: just because
he said sorry
I mean, he did die, it just didn't stick.
>uses power that kills people
>Actually dies from it
Baryon is better
>dangerous power that will cost him his life
>"you have another person in here"
doesn't the other half of Kurama still exist somewhere?
Uh…
Question
Does Baryon have an actual requirement to activate, not a cost but a direct method to unlock it.
I ask since why couldn't the other jinchuriki who've bonded with their tailed beast just go unga when they were getting got by the Akatsuki
Sadly no.
Baryon mode only exists because Naruto needed to be written out of the story in a more respectable way
>wtf anime has bad writing?!?!?!?