This is spy's true power. Invisibility gives him a global taunt. The threat of a spy forces every enemy on the map to play around you. Even sniper is limited by sightlines.
Sure but if a sniper fails a shot, he's only really punished by another sniper that happens to be nearby. If a spy fails a stab, it's back to the spawn for him unless he had that dead ringer ready.
The game in general would probably be unplayable with friendly fire.
Even if nobody on either team was playing spy, soldier or demoman, friendly fire would likely make servers absolute slogs.
I remember having an idea for two spy weapons, one of them allowing him to do that >primary replacement
A toy revolver with a "bang" flag at the end. It does no damage but can be used without losing your disguise. While disguised, spy will fire fake projectiles of whatever primary weapon the player had (stock for boot demomen). Spy will be making sound effects with his mouth (bang bang bang, boom, fsshhh, pew pew, whirrrr tatatatata). Holding the reload key would mimic the weapon's reload animation (if it has one). >knife replacement
Spy holds a sharpie and a piece of paper with the message "kill me" written on it. It does 1 damage. "Backstabbing" players will not lose your disguise, but instead Spy will semi-silently stick the paper to the player's back, enabling friendly fire on them and disabling walking through team mates and buildings. If team killed, the killer will be marked for death until they die and play a C+6 voiceline. You can only slap it on one player at a time. It can be removed by using your melee on your team mate's back. If used while multiple players are inside each other or inside buildings, they get insta-gibbed/destroyed.
Notice that these two weapons have synergy. A spy with the primary would fake a player that can shoot while the knife would make players paranoid about a spy capable of doing just that.
Literally all classes are countered by "be aware of your surroundings"
Spy more specifically is countered by knowing how classes behave to foil disguises (which a good Spy shouldn't be using for longer than duping a passerby anyways) and by knowing there's a Spy on the enemy team to check behind yourself once in a while or listen for a decloak
>you're telling me the class that can turn invisible, disguise as friendly players, and one shot kill targets has... counters???
I don't understand why this is so difficult for Spyfags to wrap their heads around. Spy was never intended to be the epic poggers trickstab frag movie class you losers turned him into. He's supposed to get in, pick off one or maybe even 2 high priority targets, then hopefully get out alive.
stabbystabby and its consequences. I remember back when his YouTube channel first started getting popular. He totally changed how the average player wanted to play spy. Practically overnight spy went from a niche utility class to the Shadow the Hedgehog cool assassin guy.
Fascinating that this ended up being Spy's fate when he also has the only pistol pool that has headshot crit. Where's my epic frag movies of Spy shooting soldiers out of the sky or outsniping Snipers?
>Where's my epic frag movies of Spy shooting soldiers out of the sky or outsniping Snipers?
Are you serious? Amby Spy was a whole genre, but the damage falloff nerf made the skill investment of long range Amby outrageously inefficient for what it offers (the damage of a Sniper bodyshot or less)
I have seen this same argument used by interp spys.
I am glad alot more people are aware of the bullshit it is and kicking alot more spy mains for doing that shit.
Still dont know how valve has never changed it to be forced server side.
Any Spy that suggests they should be able to attack in any way while disguised, no matter how weakly, doesn't matter if you deal 1 HP damage, needs to be shot dead
Somebody must have since TF2 Classic's custom weapons servers decided it was a great idea with Spy being able to fire a poison DoT while disguised. Chaos ensued immediately
Not that anon but it's hard to go back to 24-32 now. It's utter fucking chaos. Stalemates happen frequently though, just takes a bunch of engineers to get a setup in the right spot and it just becomes a game of "can we get coordinated enough to get ubers chained to take it all down?" Irritates some people but I just love the nonstop shitshow. Spy is even more viable than usual, though you'll probably want to go YER. I've gotten some gross backstab chains going before anyone caught on.
It has it's distinct feel. You will feel like a part of something larger and the moments when your team really coordinates a push is truely special.
I found cp_steel to be one of the best and balanced maps with 100 players.
Normal or CnD >Fail stab >Have to either cloak and pray or try a trickstab >If there are more enemies and you don't trickstab with kunai or earner, you ded >Actually you will most likely die
DR >Fail stab >Right click >Run away with a speed boost and survive
Most crutch item in the game with Black Box imo. I use default cloak and YER. Sometimes CnD if I gotta camp an OP Sniper or pick my window with Engie nest.
Dead Ringer is best used to get behind enemy lines when the game is caught around a major choke point. Even if you use it as a crutch if you can't stab someone you can't stab someone and there's only so many places you can run to.
I can't tell you how many times I've made spy mains rage quit as a pyro once they realize that using the Dead Ringer as a get out of jail free card only works as a trick so many times.
More like you get airblasted into a corner and dogpiled by the entire team lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he forgot airblast momentum was nerfed into the ground
I strife away retard, as if I'd ever put myself in such a braindead situation. Go back to your ERP in all chat
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I strife away retard
Right into a random crit from flame particles maybe kwab
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Right into a random crit from flame particles maybe kwab >he plays on servers with random crits
No winder you act like this. I had no idea just how far beneath me you are. I guess "plays Pyro" should've been a giveaway.
you don't even need to press tab. most idiots pop it way too early so it's obvious when they drop dead from like 10 damage. it's funny when a spy is just walking around with it open so you hit him with one shotgun pellet across map and he "dies"
>most idiots pop it way too early so it's obvious when they drop dead from like 10 damage.
The problem with the Dead Ringer, and what you don't understand about it, is that its practical function is not actually to fool other players about your death. It's function is to position yourself behind the enemy team without getting torn up by damage in the choke.
Whether you think you just killed the Spy for real or not, it doesn't change how you're going to continue playing. You might try and check for the Spy when the body falls, but DR speeboost and lack of cloak shimmer means the Spy can very quickly be wherever they want, so it doesn't matter if you try to chase them down. And then all you know is there's a Spy existing on the map somewhere, and there generally always is anyway, two even.
So why should a Spy with a modern DR wait to fake death until they're at 30 health? The weapon's modern damage reduction is low enough that they'll still be killed by one explosion, so even a half-hearted DR check has a good chance to kill the Spy for real. And that's ignoring the chance of unexpected damage sources taking your health to 0 before you even right click. So instead it's optimal to keep it held out as soon as you're near the fight so you can get your speed boost and enhanced cloak to go position yourself for free.
>Buffed
The fact you can't pick up ammo and have to wait the full cloak recharge time makes it dogshit for its intended use as a cloak watch. Its only use now is for frag Spy in pubs to immediately de-cloak after damage and try to use the speed burst to force back stabs to get their kunai/Earner started. It was waaaaaay better as a general Spy watch when it actually let Spy survive nearly all damage, now it's a (popular) gimmick.
>literally every spy uses it
This just flat out isn't true, your recall is biased by DR Spies tending to be bad and obvious. Invis Watch Spies are way less notable because >they're probably better at actually playing Spy >You often can't confirm a Spy you killed WASN'T DR because you can't logically prove a negative, you can just suppose after not hearing the loud de cloak or if you saw them cloak manually
And I don't have a "victim complex". The DR arguably was too strong, but its current form sucks for everyone. The speed boost incentivizes frag Spies too much which people want to play, so other players end up dealing with more DR shitters, while more generalist Spies pass up on it due to its inflexibility.
>kill a spy as he initiates a normal or cnd cloak >still look for him a second and check the scoreboard out of habit because the dead ringer is so ubiquitous
People want to play Spy like a frag class, but the ideal for the character is to have a single Spy that forces the enemy team to collectively waste a lot of time trying to prevent the Spy from getting free picks, as well as to coordinate with the team to destroy Engineer nests.
People like to point out that Spy gets 2 points from backstab kills and points for sapping, and thus his leader board score is "inflated". But it's an accurate representation of the benefits he provides his team. Backstabs let him kill enemies before they damage his team, and building destruction is huge damage to the time and metal economy of the game's most dangerous defense class, and most effective pressure class (due to level 3 teleporters). That all on top of his presence causing the enemy team to waste time Spy checking or chasing him after he's cloaked and changed direction.
What Spy effectively does is turn a single front battle into two fronts, an enormous power. By literally punishing the enemy team for looking at your team too long you're able to have an outsize effect on their coordination and pushes when you play your cards right.
But that means scaring, harassing and annoying people. It means remembering your gun exists and cajoling the enemy Medic to chase you down with their Ubersaw after a couple revolver shots from behind the choke-- shutting down the team's healing. Backstabs are great, but you need to learn the right time for them, understand the positioning and your sound giveaways and player attention.
Also, don't go Spy if your team has 1, or especially 2. 90% of the advantage Spy gives a team is from his presence, stacking him just isn't helpful.
There's a lot of value in playing Spy for just long enough that the enemy team is paranoid and then changing off so they keep chasing ghosts imo, Spy is intended to be a psychological class and he does work for that when the enemies are now checking behind themselves every half a second
>What Spy effectively does is turn a single front battle into two fronts,
Yeah. I have about 25 collective hours on spy, but even I have found myself going to spy lately to occasionally just stab at least one important guy on the enemy team.
Having one spy on your team can be a benefit assuming he's not a total idiot simply because he prevents the enemy team from getting too comfortable and lazy.
That's if you don't understand the use of Spy. He's not there to get the best K/D ratio. He's there to fuck with the enemy team's heads. A single decent spy forces your opponent to waste time spy-checking, which takes their focus off the objective. Over time, these seconds of distraction add up, which gives your team an advantage.
>Class is hard countered by the player being a dumbass
Spy is actually a decent class if you’re actually skilled enough. A major reason why people say Spy is trash is largely because his skill floor is higher than every other class. His skill floor literally requires you to be competent with every other class at least.
>disguise as a Heavy on your own team >pull disguise-fists or disguise-sandwich/banana out and pretend to be friendly >easy backstabs >match is now predisposed to KOS friendlies
Spy's main power is being a constant distraction and working in tandem with other team mates. Having a heavy medic combo distract enemies so you can chain stab, waiting for a push to sap an engie nest, distracting the enemy team while your enemy begins a push etc.
People can't stay checking for you the entire time they play the game
90% of the time pyros and others don't know how and simply don't spy check. but if there's a couple pyros who know how to spy check then the spy is pretty much fucked.
i don't play spy anymore, haven't really touched the class in years because what's the point? some salty cheater will just fuck with you while cloaked/disguised.
cosmetic lootboxes are nowhere close to set effects. begone, knave
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know, that's why TF2 lootboxes suck moron asshole while Overwatch 1 lootboxes were actually ok >cosmetics only >gained through gameplay >non-tradeable so no bot market
Sorry, but a couple dollars is a negligible amount of money to a first worlder. I could drop that on the street and not even be bothered to turn around to pick it up. Not my problem that it's half your monthly salary.
>Silent decloak on unnerfed dead ringer(Ammo packs refill meter, longer cloak, greater damage resistance) >Soul
No, it's the equilevant of phlog. The user simply wants to cause as much PTSD on enemy players as humanely possible.
>Server admin turns on friendly fire as a gaff >Game immediately grinds to a standstill as both teams become more concerned with killing each other in spawn
Played a little yesterday, lit a spy up as pyro and was facestabbed. What's the counter to hitbox exploitation like that? Simply never be in stabbing range of spy, ever, even as pyro, even if you always keep them in front of you?
Every class is countered by common sense
>common sense is turning around every 3 seconds and shooting teammates
Not really.
This is spy's true power. Invisibility gives him a global taunt. The threat of a spy forces every enemy on the map to play around you. Even sniper is limited by sightlines.
Sure but if a sniper fails a shot, he's only really punished by another sniper that happens to be nearby. If a spy fails a stab, it's back to the spawn for him unless he had that dead ringer ready.
It is when there's a class that turns invisible AND disguises as teammates, you sperg
Spy would be terrifying if friendly fire was a thing
The game in general would probably be unplayable with friendly fire.
Even if nobody on either team was playing spy, soldier or demoman, friendly fire would likely make servers absolute slogs.
Yeah even if crowd control and splash damaged were balanced for friendly fire, Spy would turn such a game into Town of Salem / Among Us
they should give him an ability to walk through enemies and fake shoot while disguised
Walking through enemies is too much. Let him place a fake sentry and dispenser instead.
I remember having an idea for two spy weapons, one of them allowing him to do that
>primary replacement
A toy revolver with a "bang" flag at the end. It does no damage but can be used without losing your disguise. While disguised, spy will fire fake projectiles of whatever primary weapon the player had (stock for boot demomen). Spy will be making sound effects with his mouth (bang bang bang, boom, fsshhh, pew pew, whirrrr tatatatata). Holding the reload key would mimic the weapon's reload animation (if it has one).
>knife replacement
Spy holds a sharpie and a piece of paper with the message "kill me" written on it. It does 1 damage. "Backstabbing" players will not lose your disguise, but instead Spy will semi-silently stick the paper to the player's back, enabling friendly fire on them and disabling walking through team mates and buildings. If team killed, the killer will be marked for death until they die and play a C+6 voiceline. You can only slap it on one player at a time. It can be removed by using your melee on your team mate's back. If used while multiple players are inside each other or inside buildings, they get insta-gibbed/destroyed.
Notice that these two weapons have synergy. A spy with the primary would fake a player that can shoot while the knife would make players paranoid about a spy capable of doing just that.
HEY I KNOW LET'S MAKE HIS SPEED INCREASE WITH EACH BACKSTAB TOO
GREAT IDEA (paladins devs)
Literally all classes are countered by "be aware of your surroundings"
Spy more specifically is countered by knowing how classes behave to foil disguises (which a good Spy shouldn't be using for longer than duping a passerby anyways) and by knowing there's a Spy on the enemy team to check behind yourself once in a while or listen for a decloak
>you're telling me the class that can turn invisible, disguise as friendly players, and one shot kill targets has... counters???
I don't understand why this is so difficult for Spyfags to wrap their heads around. Spy was never intended to be the epic poggers trickstab frag movie class you losers turned him into. He's supposed to get in, pick off one or maybe even 2 high priority targets, then hopefully get out alive.
stabbystabby and its consequences. I remember back when his YouTube channel first started getting popular. He totally changed how the average player wanted to play spy. Practically overnight spy went from a niche utility class to the Shadow the Hedgehog cool assassin guy.
Fascinating that this ended up being Spy's fate when he also has the only pistol pool that has headshot crit. Where's my epic frag movies of Spy shooting soldiers out of the sky or outsniping Snipers?
>Where's my epic frag movies of Spy shooting soldiers out of the sky or outsniping Snipers?
Are you serious? Amby Spy was a whole genre, but the damage falloff nerf made the skill investment of long range Amby outrageously inefficient for what it offers (the damage of a Sniper bodyshot or less)
Well fuck I wish youtube would have recommended those to instead of the ocean of trickstabbings.
>Where's my epic frag movies of Spy shooting soldiers out of the sky or outsniping Snipers?
I have seen much worse broken class in other video game. git gud
I remember early Paladins where people had no clue how to deal with the invisible chick and you could absolutely dominate every round.
she was op as fuck, her bomb was an instakill with giant range
I have seen this same argument used by interp spys.
I am glad alot more people are aware of the bullshit it is and kicking alot more spy mains for doing that shit.
Still dont know how valve has never changed it to be forced server side.
>TF2 players
>having common sense
Any Spy that suggests they should be able to attack in any way while disguised, no matter how weakly, doesn't matter if you deal 1 HP damage, needs to be shot dead
Literally no one has suggested this in the history of the game?
Somebody must have since TF2 Classic's custom weapons servers decided it was a great idea with Spy being able to fire a poison DoT while disguised. Chaos ensued immediately
get good
>that feel when I've only been playing on 100-player servers since the update that added them
how is that feel, anon?
pure chaos or ridiculous grind? Fun?
Not that anon but it's hard to go back to 24-32 now. It's utter fucking chaos. Stalemates happen frequently though, just takes a bunch of engineers to get a setup in the right spot and it just becomes a game of "can we get coordinated enough to get ubers chained to take it all down?" Irritates some people but I just love the nonstop shitshow. Spy is even more viable than usual, though you'll probably want to go YER. I've gotten some gross backstab chains going before anyone caught on.
It has it's distinct feel. You will feel like a part of something larger and the moments when your team really coordinates a push is truely special.
I found cp_steel to be one of the best and balanced maps with 100 players.
runs like shit though. does anyone knows how to fix this shitty game? also masterconfigs barely do anything.
Works on my machine™
What is your CPU/GPU setup, how much RAM do you have, do you have multicore rendering enabled
Impressive. Very nice.
Now let's see Paul Allen's class
Papa Vanu's blessing be with you.
>common sense nerfed to become an extremely rare drop.
You'd be surprised by the number of people that let their guard down when they see a Medic behind them.
>play on 100-person server
>https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/2/2e/Sniper_railgun_double_kill.wav
spies are countered by having a single pyro on your team. the pyro doesn't even need to have one task, he can perfectly spy check AND fight
test
>counters common sense
I never trust spies dying and keep shooting even after I see the corpse because of that
Why the fuck is 90% of every spy using this thing?
It's just annoying and super obvious.
Allows you to play way more bravely than Spy is supposed to since you can just flip the watch open if you're in a jam
Normal or CnD
>Fail stab
>Have to either cloak and pray or try a trickstab
>If there are more enemies and you don't trickstab with kunai or earner, you ded
>Actually you will most likely die
DR
>Fail stab
>Right click
>Run away with a speed boost and survive
Most crutch item in the game with Black Box imo. I use default cloak and YER. Sometimes CnD if I gotta camp an OP Sniper or pick my window with Engie nest.
Dead Ringer is best used to get behind enemy lines when the game is caught around a major choke point. Even if you use it as a crutch if you can't stab someone you can't stab someone and there's only so many places you can run to.
I can't tell you how many times I've made spy mains rage quit as a pyro once they realize that using the Dead Ringer as a get out of jail free card only works as a trick so many times.
>playing Pyro
I get away without even needing the DR and replenish my knife at the same time I pick up ammo for my cloak
More like you get airblasted into a corner and dogpiled by the entire team lmao
>he forgot airblast momentum was nerfed into the ground
I strife away retard, as if I'd ever put myself in such a braindead situation. Go back to your ERP in all chat
>I strife away retard
Right into a random crit from flame particles maybe kwab
>Right into a random crit from flame particles maybe kwab
>he plays on servers with random crits
No winder you act like this. I had no idea just how far beneath me you are. I guess "plays Pyro" should've been a giveaway.
I still remember using it when it had 90% damage reduction and retards saying that it's worse than stock.
countered by pyro
Countered by pressing TAB
you don't even need to press tab. most idiots pop it way too early so it's obvious when they drop dead from like 10 damage. it's funny when a spy is just walking around with it open so you hit him with one shotgun pellet across map and he "dies"
>most idiots pop it way too early so it's obvious when they drop dead from like 10 damage.
The problem with the Dead Ringer, and what you don't understand about it, is that its practical function is not actually to fool other players about your death. It's function is to position yourself behind the enemy team without getting torn up by damage in the choke.
Whether you think you just killed the Spy for real or not, it doesn't change how you're going to continue playing. You might try and check for the Spy when the body falls, but DR speeboost and lack of cloak shimmer means the Spy can very quickly be wherever they want, so it doesn't matter if you try to chase them down. And then all you know is there's a Spy existing on the map somewhere, and there generally always is anyway, two even.
So why should a Spy with a modern DR wait to fake death until they're at 30 health? The weapon's modern damage reduction is low enough that they'll still be killed by one explosion, so even a half-hearted DR check has a good chance to kill the Spy for real. And that's ignoring the chance of unexpected damage sources taking your health to 0 before you even right click. So instead it's optimal to keep it held out as soon as you're near the fight so you can get your speed boost and enhanced cloak to go position yourself for free.
Why the fuck did they buff this again? It was already perfectly balanced.
>Buffed
The fact you can't pick up ammo and have to wait the full cloak recharge time makes it dogshit for its intended use as a cloak watch. Its only use now is for frag Spy in pubs to immediately de-cloak after damage and try to use the speed burst to force back stabs to get their kunai/Earner started. It was waaaaaay better as a general Spy watch when it actually let Spy survive nearly all damage, now it's a (popular) gimmick.
>it's a meme now
>literally every spy uses it
The spy player's victim complex is why everyone else hates you and your gay class
>literally every spy uses it
This just flat out isn't true, your recall is biased by DR Spies tending to be bad and obvious. Invis Watch Spies are way less notable because
>they're probably better at actually playing Spy
>You often can't confirm a Spy you killed WASN'T DR because you can't logically prove a negative, you can just suppose after not hearing the loud de cloak or if you saw them cloak manually
And I don't have a "victim complex". The DR arguably was too strong, but its current form sucks for everyone. The speed boost incentivizes frag Spies too much which people want to play, so other players end up dealing with more DR shitters, while more generalist Spies pass up on it due to its inflexibility.
>kill a spy as he initiates a normal or cnd cloak
>still look for him a second and check the scoreboard out of habit because the dead ringer is so ubiquitous
remove its speed boost
People want to play Spy like a frag class, but the ideal for the character is to have a single Spy that forces the enemy team to collectively waste a lot of time trying to prevent the Spy from getting free picks, as well as to coordinate with the team to destroy Engineer nests.
People like to point out that Spy gets 2 points from backstab kills and points for sapping, and thus his leader board score is "inflated". But it's an accurate representation of the benefits he provides his team. Backstabs let him kill enemies before they damage his team, and building destruction is huge damage to the time and metal economy of the game's most dangerous defense class, and most effective pressure class (due to level 3 teleporters). That all on top of his presence causing the enemy team to waste time Spy checking or chasing him after he's cloaked and changed direction.
What Spy effectively does is turn a single front battle into two fronts, an enormous power. By literally punishing the enemy team for looking at your team too long you're able to have an outsize effect on their coordination and pushes when you play your cards right.
But that means scaring, harassing and annoying people. It means remembering your gun exists and cajoling the enemy Medic to chase you down with their Ubersaw after a couple revolver shots from behind the choke-- shutting down the team's healing. Backstabs are great, but you need to learn the right time for them, understand the positioning and your sound giveaways and player attention.
Also, don't go Spy if your team has 1, or especially 2. 90% of the advantage Spy gives a team is from his presence, stacking him just isn't helpful.
There's a lot of value in playing Spy for just long enough that the enemy team is paranoid and then changing off so they keep chasing ghosts imo, Spy is intended to be a psychological class and he does work for that when the enemies are now checking behind themselves every half a second
>What Spy effectively does is turn a single front battle into two fronts,
Yeah. I have about 25 collective hours on spy, but even I have found myself going to spy lately to occasionally just stab at least one important guy on the enemy team.
Having one spy on your team can be a benefit assuming he's not a total idiot simply because he prevents the enemy team from getting too comfortable and lazy.
That's if you don't understand the use of Spy. He's not there to get the best K/D ratio. He's there to fuck with the enemy team's heads. A single decent spy forces your opponent to waste time spy-checking, which takes their focus off the objective. Over time, these seconds of distraction add up, which gives your team an advantage.
>class is hard countered by common sense
so, non-stop rampage
>Class is hard countered by the player being a dumbass
Spy is actually a decent class if you’re actually skilled enough. A major reason why people say Spy is trash is largely because his skill floor is higher than every other class. His skill floor literally requires you to be competent with every other class at least.
>disguise as your own team
>let them trigger your dead ringer
>get behind their defence
>disguise as a Heavy on your own team
>pull disguise-fists or disguise-sandwich/banana out and pretend to be friendly
>easy backstabs
>match is now predisposed to KOS friendlies
Brilliant
>hold out sandvich to lure low health targets towards you
>shoot them in the face after they call for medic at you
Devilish
Everyone underestimates the value of friendly disguises. Especially the dead ringer worshippers
Spy's main power is being a constant distraction and working in tandem with other team mates. Having a heavy medic combo distract enemies so you can chain stab, waiting for a push to sap an engie nest, distracting the enemy team while your enemy begins a push etc.
People can't stay checking for you the entire time they play the game
The disguise kit is for sentries, good spies rely on cloaking and line of sight.
Yes that makes the class bad.
Skill issue. Youre supposed to strike when the enemy is distracted OR git gud enough to trickstab/duel someone. Pick your fights
good thing common sense is one of the rarest things on the planet huh
90% of the time pyros and others don't know how and simply don't spy check. but if there's a couple pyros who know how to spy check then the spy is pretty much fucked.
i don't play spy anymore, haven't really touched the class in years because what's the point? some salty cheater will just fuck with you while cloaked/disguised.
Filtered
Remember when TF2 still had soul?
I remember bodyshotting Snipers with that fucking croc-o-style kit equipped and bathing in their tears that their headshot immunity meant nothing
P2W item sets are not soul
Poor people deserve to be gatekept from more powerful effects. Also the barrier to entry was like $1.
>pay 2 win is LE GOOD
shit bait
hatcucks are more than fine if Valve does something that is considered bad
see also: lootboxes
cosmetic lootboxes are nowhere close to set effects. begone, knave
I know, that's why TF2 lootboxes suck moron asshole while Overwatch 1 lootboxes were actually ok
>cosmetics only
>gained through gameplay
>non-tradeable so no bot market
Sorry, but a couple dollars is a negligible amount of money to a first worlder. I could drop that on the street and not even be bothered to turn around to pick it up. Not my problem that it's half your monthly salary.
>Silent decloak on unnerfed dead ringer(Ammo packs refill meter, longer cloak, greater damage resistance)
>Soul
No, it's the equilevant of phlog. The user simply wants to cause as much PTSD on enemy players as humanely possible.
>longer cloak
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO REMUVE THAT?
AND THEN AMBY NERF >:(
That's why half of the people playing the game consider it OP.
>Seems like bad game design, doesn't it?
Yeah, what did you expect? if you want good game design play something else, like Overwatch 2 for example.
So just attack when common sense is to not be spy checking
>class is hard countered by common sense
so there is no counter.
*replaces uncloak sound with high pitched bell noise*
nothin personnel spigs
>Server admin turns on friendly fire as a gaff
>Game immediately grinds to a standstill as both teams become more concerned with killing each other in spawn
Played a little yesterday, lit a spy up as pyro and was facestabbed. What's the counter to hitbox exploitation like that? Simply never be in stabbing range of spy, ever, even as pyro, even if you always keep them in front of you?