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>Dan Houser, former President, Lead Writer and Creative Director of Rockstar, opens new game studio "Absurd Ventures in Games"
what’s their first project gonna be? -
>that word salad title
a text adventure most likely-
>ace attorney game but you’re the criminal dodging questions
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>word salad title
living with dyslexia is tough guys
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white men should not be allowed to open new studios
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bald men are disenfranchised regardless of skin colour.
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>Rockstar
>WritingOkay I’ll admit Bully was pretty funny
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Catalina Score
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spiritual successor to Manhunt 2
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the Housers were never the "talent" at Rockstar, so probably not a whole lot.
The talent left with Benzies when he took like 100 senior / vetran employees with him.
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then why did they make their best games when benzies wasn’t involved?
>benzies was the talent trust me guys!
>benzies directed gta 5 why dont you like it
>*brain stops working*also dan houser wrote and acted as creative director for every rockstar game.
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That’s the one thing I always admired about Rockstar, the CEOs were never just suits, there only to collect the money.
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both of the housers used to turn up and go on a tyrade from what previous devs have said – not really so much of a ‘suit’ but people you literally never want to interact with.
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houser should’ve given up writing long ago and hired some competent writers, instead he treated those games like his vanity projects and they suffered for it. worst kind of ceo is the one who refuses to delegate.
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>houser should’ve given up writing long ago
His best written game is RDR2. The last game he ever wrote. Also, he never wrote 100% of the game. All radio stations were written by Lazlow, for example.-
Houser’s idea of writing is paraphrase lifting things out of movies to narrowly avoid copyright… literally every single GTA and RD game has direct lifts from movies in both dialogue, actors and set pieces.
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all art is based on other art anon
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Houser is a fucking hasbin’ mate. You’re never going to see anything good out of his or Beznies’ companies and Sam isn’t going to do fucking shit other than continue to milk GTA:O – you’re never going to see another game from Rockstar North that’s worth talking about.
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Every single Rockstar game falls apart once you actually watch the movies it rips off. These "games" are literally just scene after scene of "Hey, it’s that one movie but worse in every conceivable way!" in between hours of holding a button and listening to the generic nihilistic protagonist trade predictable monologues with their various but equally boring cuhrazee sidekicks, then a mandatory on-rails shooting section with braindead AI and no gameplay freedom. Such a shame. They have so much potential yet they piss it all away.
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>see rockstar kiddies raving about rdr2
>play it
>chapter 2 has some of the worst writing I’ve ever seen in a game
>it’s literal loony toons shit
>gang gets found out so they genocide the population of the town
>ends with the gang walking down to the mansion to literally exterminate everyone there (wild bunch ripoff)
>rockstar kiddies keep posting pics of them walking screaming ‘KINO KINO KINO’
literally the most unearned finale to a chapter I’ve ever seen, so God damn stupid-
I’ve been planning to make a video where I play a dozen clips from RDR 2 and gush about the gradual character development throughout the whole game, then reveal those clips were all out of order and taken from the same hour. It feels like five different people wrote Arthur and they all had very different interpretations of who they wanted him to be. It aims for complexity but just comes off as schizophrenia.
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He wasn’t the only writer for their HD games (i.e the story focused ones). Michael Unsworth and Rupert Humphries have writing credits on all of the HD GTA games, both RDRs and Max Payne 3, so he did hire other people.
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do you mean RDR2? Lots of turn over happened between GTAV to RDR2 launch. idk if the number that guy said, 100 people, was factual or not but lots of senior devs did leave with Benzies departure between RDR2 and GTA5 including some of the core RAGE engineers.
Benzies was in charge of R* North, the studio behind GTA and has been in the ‘Producer’ role since GTA3? (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on that).
His departure, along with the "100 senior people" (didnt know it was that many? maybe it is, maybe it isnt…) the departures though are probably why GTAV is a disaster (technically speaking very hard to maintain with all current exploits)
Studios a shit show though. R* North refused to do the GTA5 port to PS5 and R* India is handling 95% of it.
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i mean gta 3 and san andreas, but yes also RDR 2.
I don’t care about engineers leaving. Pretty much all the leads stayed behind when benzies left. Rockstar has an entire studio in San Diego dedicated to RAGE development/engine support.GTAV was a disaster even when Leslie was there. The game couldn’t even keep a reliable internet connection and would often freeze on loading screens. It only got fixed after leslie left ironically.
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benzies was producer on gta 3, vice city, san andreas, liberty city stories, vice city stories and gta 4… as the head of the studio, rockstar dundee / dma design / rockstar (north) edinburgh… (depending on what game you’re talking about) so he was involved in their best work…? maybe im being retarded here
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You’re wasting your breath, most people are retarded and think producer is some irrelvant minor role when the producer in most cases outranks the director and can choose how involved or not he wants to be. For example Sakaguchi was still developing game systems for games he was producer for.
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Dan Houser was executive producer, lead writer, creative director on all their games.
The producer is simply the person that makes sure shit gets done on time, they don’t get a say on the direction of the game.
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Video game producers are basically project managers in corporate software development terms, but they also are in charge of creative decisions such as the initial direction/tone of the game and enough ideas of it to pitch to a board or committee of executives for funding.
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You are being retarded. Dan Houser had creative roles since Grand Theft Auto: London 1969 and Grand Theft Auto 2.
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>no R* presents table tennis
dropped
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How long is the loading now after that fan patch they paid $10,000 for to optimise the boot process?
The fact GTA:O isn’t a standalone install on PC is a fucking joke.
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it doesn’t really matter, the studios are too big now to have any character. The CEOs and workers are basically interchangeable. They’ll just do the usual middle-of-the-road AAA game thing from now on, pander to twitter and journos, make a polished soulless game, and make a lot of money
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That’s probably why you constantly see these CEOs leaving giant studios they started in their basements. I respect people that are satisfied with having enough money and just decide to start a small project.
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GTA5 was fine from a technical standpoint, doubt GTA Online was made by the main studio and even then it was probably an afterthought in the beginning. It took the disaster that Cyberpunk was for people to appreciate how much clever tech went in GTAV’s open world.
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GTA:O was made in-house by Rockstar North as an after thought. House didn’t care for GTA:O, North wanted a multiplayer component.
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>Studios a shit show though. R* North refused to do the GTA5 port to PS5 and R* India is handling 95% of it.
Suddenly it makes sense why Expanded and Enhanced looks like it’s riddled with bugs. Cheap indian labour.
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theres footage of it? just looks like the same game in the trailers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSblB4UAWJk
I think people on gta fan forum websites have found more since this, also.
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>the Housers were never the "talent" at Rockstar, so probably not a whole lot.
>Dan was the main writer in all R* games
>Sam was a major producer on almost all R* games
>When combined with Lazlow and Benzies they made the best games thier company ever produced-
Reminder that when Benzies sued Take Two, it was revealed on the lawsuit docs that there was emails where they begged him to help with RDR 1 and 2, both games are known nightmare development hells that burned out employees at San Diego.
Rockstar is having the same issues as Naughty Dog, at its peak everybody wanted to stay in because major successes one after another, then the development issues creeps too much to the point where it takes more years than intended to finish it and by this point many veterans quit.-
Not him.
>it was revealed on the lawsuit docs that there was emails where they begged him to help with RDR 1 and 2
It was just for Red Dead Redemption 1. He was fired from Rockstar Games after GTA V.-
RDR2 has been in dev since before RDR1 came out, so what does that prove?
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Nothing, but the email was sent in 2009. RDR2 was not in development in 2009.
>In October 2009, with a deadline coming up, Sam Houser became anxious about Red Dead Redemption not being in good enough shape. He wrote an email to Benzies that month, saying, "The ups and downs are VERY extreme. We have to fix this. Quickly. Help! I’m freaking!’"
>The very next day, Sam Houser sent another email to Benzies further elaborating on the game’s problems at the time and how he wanted Benzies to assist.
>"This [RDR] is a (recurring) nightmare," Sam Houser said. "But one i/we need to get out of. I have problems with the camera all over the place. So much so, that I can’t be rational or specific about it. The darkness!!!"
>"PLEASE help me/us get rdr [Read Dead Redemption] into shape. I am a jabbering wreck right now," he added. "I need The Benz!’"
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/red-dead-redemption-a-recurring-nightmare-during-d/1100-6438770/-
>The ups and downs are VERY extreme. We have to fix this. Quickly. Help! I’m freaking!’
>I have problems with the camera all over the place. So much so, that I can’t be rational or specific about it. The darkness!!!
>I am a jabbering wreck right now
Jesus fucking Christ, imagine working 80 hours a week for this dork.-
He’s the only one still at Rockstar Games, though.
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…yes, imagine working 80 hours a week for that dork.
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Sorry, for some reason I understood than that was no longer the case. I should double check more often.
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That’s okay. I love ya, anon.
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Lots of people have resigned in sight of him, or, have been forcibly removed by his childish. I bet Dan left, a company he ran with his brother, because of something bitter.
Reminder there were leaks that Benzies, Sam and Dan Houser and Lazlow were going to leave Rockstar due to not wantign to be under Take 2’s thumb and form their own company not long before Sam freaked the fuck out over credits.
A lot of the Ex-DMA Design guys (the guys who actually made GTA and GTA3) don’t have many good things to say about Sam Houser or Dan Houser or twitter.
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Sam sent a lot of emails and cried a lot and refused to smile in most photographs of him with his team. Sam has such an inferiority complex that his whole fued with Benzies was over Benzies putting his name last in GTA:O when that spot is normally reserved for Sam.
Dan steals most of his "ideas" from hollywood movies. Go watch Scarface, Heat, Carlito’s Way, Casino and the cowboy movies that RDR is based off of.
Leslie was pretty hands on with Rockstar North, their team loved him – not to say he was essential but for their morale, he absolutely was. Leslie stayed late nights with the people doing over time, he didn’t just peace, he was on the front lines a lot with R* North.
The emails
mention are also true. San Andreas also has a hotel in Venturas with "The Benz" on it along with other areas in the games like GTA3’s time square… so it wasn’t just some one off thing. Leslie is probably not ‘essential’ but he was well liked by the Rockstar North engineers where they hated it when Dan or Sam turned up.
Lazlow is also why most of the GTA soundtrack was good and he’s also gone.
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I vaguely remember, not sure if its a memory trick, but that apparently Rockstar Vienna staff names were removed from Manhunt 2 credits by the orders of one of the Housers.
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Venture Bros game
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Would be pretty based tbh.
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dude can’t even write a conversation between two characters that isn’t completely retarded, he is hopeless
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I think with him and Benzies leaving, GTA6 is probably in developer’s hell. At this point R* should just pull a Vavle and stop realising new games.
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their magnum opus was IV and RDR1, alll downhill from there
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I don’t know what happened with Dan Houser. He’s clearly capable of writing well but he’s only done it twice–GTA IV and Max Payne 3–then never again. It’s like he had a four-year period in his life where he actually gave a shit and did his best.
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>GTA IV and Max Payne 3
And RDR 1. And 2. And Bully.-
i’ll excuse him for rdr2 since it’s too long even for a vidya but overall he’s a mediocre writer.
RDR 2 was just The Lost and Damned with horses but worse and stretched out 1000% with filler. The camp interactions were amazing and the only good part of the game but I doubt he had anything to do with them.
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i’ll excuse him for rdr2 since it’s too long even for a vidya but overall he’s a mediocre writer.
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He got bored of American cinema for awhile which made him stop writing weak fanfiction of his favorite movies. Then he went back to it with GTA5.
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>what’s their first project gonna be?
Something incredibly played out and shitty -
That sad sad feeling knowing we will never get Bully 2 nor The Ballad of Gay Tony 2.
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>The Ballad of Gay Tony 2
Thank god.
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AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER, I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A CRIMINAL
*BANG*
I SHOT MELVIN IN THE FACE!
*TIRE SCREECH*
ARE YOU LOOKIN’ AT DIS GUY?
*EXPLOSION*
SAY HI TO MY LIL AMIGOthere’s your leaked houser gta6 script you’re welcome
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A ripoff of a popular film
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Had to take a double-take since I read that as Ace Ventura games
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Didnt he already said it was gonna be some multiplayer open world thing.
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>venture
yeah pg12 titles coming from him -
who cares about that? where’s Benzie’s EVERYWHERE, still dont know shit about it
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So how is Benzies "game" coming along?
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rockstar are dead
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It’s going to be a shitty crime drama movie game or a GTA rip-off since that’s all he knows how to do. He’s kind of fucked without his brother Sam and Leslie Benzies, who apparently was responsible for most of the quality control and "getting shit done" project management before RDR2.
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all points bulletin or whatever it was called
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More importantly who will be the publisher of his games.
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Bully 2 or Manhunt 3
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Big steals: Cars
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>what’s their first project gonna be?
pick a midwit hollywood film, he’s going to rip it off and make a cynical facsimile of it with lots of words words words words words while our protagonist eats an entire turkey dinner in real time.
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