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>hear about this fpga thing that’s better than emulation because it’s a perfect recreation of original hardware or something
>sounds good, read up about what it can do>the systems it recreates are basic shit that have been emulated perfectly for years like snes
>can’t recreate shit that’s hard to emulate like saturn and n64 that have lots of emulation glitches where it would actually be useful
Yeah, nah, this fpga shit sounds gay as fuck and barely an improvement
What’s the fucking point if it just plays games we could play with 99.999% accuracy alreadyWake me up when it can play every n64 game bug free exactly like the original hardware
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It’s still emulation.
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Indeed. Analogue straight up lies on their website.
So then you have retards that bought a 600 dollar NES who are willing to deceive themselves into believing the lie and spread it.-
>BUT MUH HEAVY SHINY ALUMINUM TROPHY
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>its still emulayshion guys
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It is, it’s just hardware level emulation rather than software level.
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This topic again…
You can so deliciously spend ages discussing about this because: Both sides are right!You could interpret "emulation" in its broadest sense (imitate, reconstruct an original surrounding) and then correctly state that indeed it is still emulation.
Then someone else can use the more specific term and counter that the FPGA when programmed correctly completely in hardware copies the original system, so it NOT emulation in that sense (A host CPU running an emulator simulating the interfaces for the game to connect to as if from its view it was running on a real system and translating them).
What IS true though: The FPGA cannot magically solve the problems of running on not original hardware, it still has to be programmed. And that hardware copy is always just as good as its programmer.
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>so it NOT emulation in that sense (A host CPU running an emulator simulating the interfaces for the game to connect to as if from its view it was running on a real system and translating them).
So….still software emulation then. Right?>What IS true though: The FPGA cannot magically solve the problems of running on not original hardware, it still has to be programmed
Then why bother?Check it out, my dude. You can mod a Wii and hook that sucker up to a CRT and you cannot tell the difference I promise.
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Wii is slow and inaccurate as fuck. You can do better.
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>Wii is slow and inaccurate as fuck
Maybe when it was first hacked, but not anymore. There’s no delay, at least not for me running the game without filters or anything extra, just the raw pixel this allowing the CRT shadow mask or whatever type it has to "fill in the blanks" as the developers intended. And there’s no lag because the CRT isn’t trying to upscale the image because it’s dumb.
As it should be.-
I think he’s talking about the emulators available to the Wii. I do know for SNES, it cannot handle anything better than an old version of Snes9x, which is not as good as higan/bsnes, so if you want to really be hardware-accurate for that console, the Wii is not the way to go. It might be able to handle the best NES emulators, though.
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>I think he’s talking about the emulators available to the Wii.
Of course since that’s the whole point.>I do know for SNES, it cannot handle anything better than an old version of Snes9x
lol You’re behind the times, check its homebrew browser again there’s lots better Wii SNES choices and they fixed everything. Star Fox 2, no matter which ROM, runs perfectly.-
Does it run bsnes balanced?
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>Does it run bsnes balanced?
I don’t know, probably not. What’s balanced?-
The version of bsnes that runs everything except one game. I’d say that’s a good lower limit for an emulator box.
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>perfectly
If it’s not cycle-accurate, it’s not "perfect." Running a game free of major issues =/= running it perfectly, since there could still be timing discrepancies compared to real hardware due to the lack of CA. I grant it probably doesn’t matter THAT much for the vast majority of cases, least of all to the average non-autist, but the point stands.
And while I was not aware Snes9xGX was now based on version 1.60 of Snes9x, the thing DOES have compatibility issues. Just to highlight a few:
https://github.com/snes9xgit/snes9x/issues/596
https://github.com/snes9xgit/snes9x/issues/563
https://github.com/snes9xgit/snes9x/issues/561Mostly edge cases in obscure games, yes, but still. Snes9x is NOT perfect.
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CA?
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Cycle accuracy. Basically, as accurate as it gets to emulating real hardware short of transistor accuracy, which would take a super computer to achieve and is wholly unnecessary. Even CA is not necessary for the vast majority of games, although it’s nice just so timings match the real console (i.e. things will slow exactly when they’re supposed to slow, etc.), but a few games do benefit, though they tend to be obscure.
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Oh, I didn’t know that’s what you meant by the abbreviation.
But yeah there’s like 2 SNES games where being more accurate than a scanline matters, and once you get beyond that to framebuffered hardware it basically doesn’t matter.
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>short of transistor accuracy, which would take a super computer to achieve and is wholly unnecessary
You may be right about the super computer part, but the rest is mistaken.
There’s at least one game that requires a real NES no matter what based on transistors and capacitors working in perfect order to unlock a secret. -
I was speaking strictly about SNES. I have no knowledge regarding what level of accuracy other consoles need for 100% compatibility. What game would that be, by the way?
^but aside from that, can anything less than perfect cycle accuracy cause lag? Honest question.
Lag occurs without CA, but it may not occur where needed. Apparently, some N64 games suffer from this, particularly some Rare games, especially DK64, which has its physics tied to framerate. Keeping it to SNES, though, I notice it most in non-playable segments in games, such as FFVI’s ending. Without accurate timings, the music will not sync properly with the ending’s progression. IIRC by the end the music will end several seconds too early.
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>What game would that be, by the way?
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I see. That’s neat and slightly disappointing at once, though at least it may be just one small issue in one game.
Again, speaking strictly about the SNES here, for just playing the vast majority of games free of major issues, no, you do not need CA. Snes9x gets by just fine without it for the most part (though if I understand correctly, its sound core IS cycle-accurate). I only notice a few things being off in certain games because I am that autismal about them, but it doesn’t BREAK the games.
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>I see. That’s neat and slightly disappointing at once, though at least it may be just one small issue in one game.
*Shrug* There may be more games, but I don’t know of them.>I only notice a few things being off in certain games because I am that autismal about them, but it doesn’t BREAK the games.
What are those few things that are off? And are we all autismal to varying degrees here? 😉
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Lag occurs without CA, but it may not occur where needed. Apparently, some N64 games suffer from this, particularly some Rare games, especially DK64, which has its physics tied to framerate. Keeping it to SNES, though, I notice it most in non-playable segments in games, such as FFVI’s ending. Without accurate timings, the music will not sync properly with the ending’s progression. IIRC by the end the music will end several seconds too early. -
>I only notice a few things being off in certain games
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>Lag occurs without CA,
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Cycle accuracy does matter in some cases. Mainly games that do mid-scanline raster effects. For the Atari 2600 that’s almost all of them. For the SNES and anything later it’s almost none.
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OK, granted, but am I totally off base by saying and believing that CA is not wholly necessary in most cases? I want to be correct and learn.
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You can have accurate lag without cycle accuracy, as long as nothing else in the game needs it.
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>You can have accurate lag without cycle accuracy, as long as nothing else in the game needs it.
well that clears that up…WHAT?
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>muh cycle accurate
Come on, man.
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Yes but more accurate, less laggy emulation.
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>hear about this fpga thing but i, poor and it costs money so i cope
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Yes start spending hundreds of dollars on stuff you can do for free and you will become poor as well.
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I’ve got new for you kiddo. If you think spending "hundreds of dollars" is going to make you poor you’re already poor. But hey. At least you don’t go around wasting money going out and having fun with girls when you can fuck your sock puppet for free.
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>Having fun with girls costs money
Unlike you I dont fuck hookers-
>learning 2 reading comprehension costs money
Apparently so. The free elementary school you’re attending now is failing miserably at helping you do it.
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>hear about coping poorfag
>post poorfag.png
>tell him to enjoy his worm-
This actually doesn’t make sense since grapes grow on the ground and apples grow on trees. Why isn’t it sour apples.
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they made a folktale about you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes -
f-fucking grapes!
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I like how the comic is implying that in 2024, foxes will be posting on Ganker.
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It’s obviously not a real fox, it’s a jarpig in a fursuit.
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The date’s backwards. That comic was made in 2008, during Ganker’s heyday.
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I found an amazing and cheaper alternative to buying an fpga which recreates the original hardware. It’s called buying the original hardware. Best of all it’s bug free and doesn’t support sóycucks
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>it’s bug free
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Story?
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SNES CPUs and PPUs fail relatively often these days.
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Ohhhhh
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way to casually btfo 1/2 the in denial anons ITT
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Good thing new CPU’s and PPU’s can be made using FPGA schematics.
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>tfw bought 4 SNESs off ebay and they all died like 2 months after purchase because of failed CPUs
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Now I wonder if mine works. I never play it.
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I haven’t owned a SNES for years now and perhaps that’s for the best, I can’t believe there are so many failure reports around nowadays.
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FPGAfags are just poorfags in denial, they can’t afford original hardware.
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fpga technology will be very important.. 50 years from now, when the old devices will become rarer and many will have stopped working entirely
nowadays it’s 100% useless because who the fuck doesn’t already have a fucking working snes at home?-
Me. I have never owned a console. Ever.
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that’s kind of sad, a pc is obviously superior, but some handhelds are pretty comfy when hacked, i probably played on my psp, vita and switch significantly more than i did on my laptops
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Also I had pentium 2 when eveyone had moved to core2duo so my PC really wasnt superior at all.
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I agree that the technology is fascinating and important, but I don’t think it’s something that every person needs to rush out and buy into it at the moment. If it’s a fun hobby thing for someone, that’s great, but if someone thinks it makes software emulation obsolete, that person is an idiot just trying to justify to themselves why they spent so much money on something.
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I personally find it extremely useful today because I can play old systems with original peripherals like light guns via SNAC at a relatively low cost. My whole FPGA setup cost less than I would’ve paid for just the PC Engine I was considering buying.
It’ll take a long time for FPGAs to come out that even have enough logic gates to do shit like N64 and PS2. With the exception of PS1 and Saturn, every other later system has very easy, cheap flash media options. I’m looking forward to the day when I can just put away all my old hardware for good because the MiSTer SiSTer FiSTer 9000 supports everything I’d ever want to play on some fancy new 1000hz screen tech, but until then I’m perfectly happy with most of the available solutions.
>who the fuck doesn’t already have a fucking working snes at home?
I have one. But I have a cheap clone flashcart, so I can’t play enhancement chip games on it. If I bought a flashcart that could do half the enhancement chip games, it’d cost more than an FPGA. Haven’t even bothered plugging in my SNES since I got it.-
>If I bought a flashcart that could do half the enhancement chip games, it’d cost more than an FPGA.
Flash Carts are FPGA.-
Not necessarily – though the ones that support SNES enhancement chips do have one.
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Sure, but when I say FPGA here I’m really talking about an FPGA system. Why would you buy a cut-down FPGA that can barely handle a few enhancement chips when you can buy one that can handle the whole system plus all those chips?
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>what i ackchyually meant
yikes
>why buy a cheap car to drive to work when you could spend millions to have you own private railroad built
double yikes
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Input lag.
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fpga fags have the same gearfag consumer mentality as people that buys consoles and games in physical medias, except they are investing into something that is no better than current emulators and can only “emulate accurately with zero to no input lag” consoles that already have the same efficient emulators.
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>99.999% accuracy
as you claim would mean playing the game on a crt at the correct frequency, its pretty difficult to get a pc to do all that without a heap of adapters, it probably cheaper just to get a mister. From what I’ve seen many of the cores are pretty janky but thats not the fault of the fpga. -
Fuck off, retarded frog poster.
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>emulated perfectly for years like snes
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FPGA is good for the future, but right now just buy original hardware. It isn’t like there’s a shortage yet, and most consoles still have cheap options.
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How do I buy N64 and games in a third world country? I have never heard anyone talking about it ever. I have never seen one in real life.
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The internet?
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>>can’t recreate shit that’s hard to emulate like saturn and n64 that have lots of emulation glitches where it would actually be useful
I agree with this sentiment. There is a Saturn core in the works but apparently an N64 core would be too big for the current FPGAs. -
I think the applications for FPGA emulation are quite limited. Software emulators are really quite good these days – and the ones which aren’t good, don’t have alternatives in the FPGA world.
The main advantages I can see are the ability to use original accessories like light guns or for games where accurate slowdown emulation is important like STGs. -
Bruh, N64 emulation is the closest to bug-free it’s ever been. I think there’s a few edge cases on a few mostly obscure games still left to tackle, so I guess we’re not quite there yet by your standards, but the days of having to mix and match emulators, plugins and settings on a per-game basis just to get mostly playable results are long past. Pretty much all you need now is either RetroArch or m64p using the ParaLLEl plugins. The vast majority of games will just work bug-free.
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^but aside from that, can anything less than perfect cycle accuracy cause lag? Honest question.
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*aren’t we all
Hey, Nintendo if any of your spies are here, please put the Military Madness games on the Switch, pretty please.
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no
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WHY NOT?! I’m pirating them at the moment, Nintendo. What now?
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calling the police on you right now, enjoy prison rape by black man just because you wanted to pirate a game
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I’m medically exempt and my doctor said that I need 100mm of Nectaris Military Madness (PS1) a day to be good.
Retroarch sucks to get going, but it does the job.
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>green text story
>"gay as fuck"
>"What’s the fucking point"
>"Wake me up when…"Your patter is the same every fucking time. At least get some new material.
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