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It just doesn’t feel canonical.
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Let me know when it doesn’t feel fun.
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the bosses
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No zero suit?
Also, it does look like a metrodivania for what I’ve seen, what doesn’t feel Canon?-
I’ve died a lot, trust me there’s a zero suit
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Metroid games aren’t metroidvanias.
Why do people make this mistake so often? Metroidvanias are a specific blend of Metroid elements and Castlevania elements introduced in SOTN, Metroid itself lacking castlevania elements can never be a metroidvanias without a large change to the game mechanics which dread doesn’t do.-
>why do people make this mistake so often
Because nobody gives a shit about the classification requirements of metroidvanias, and they give even less of a shit about what you think -
That’s the original meaning of the term back when SotN got popular. It doesn’t mean that anymore
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Metroidvania is a specific blend of Metroid and Castlevania:
No, a metroidvania is Castlevania Symphony of the night- It slapped the Castlevania name onto a metroid clone.
To be a metroidvania, you have to be a metroid clone period. A metroid clone requires you to have to find upgrades to your suit, weapons and abilities and upgrade them through the game and do a lot of bactracking, and finding secret areas in areas that you already been to.
Most games you fags call "metroidvania" are side scrollers and not actually metroidvania.
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boring robot chasing sequence and same way to kill each one zero variety
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Yeah, story-wise the game does feel weird somehow.
>the Federation is still very buddy-buddy with Samus and she’s working willingly with them again, even though in the previous game she went against their orders, destroyed an entire space station that held the Feds’ illegal research, and blew up an entire planet along with it, something that Samus said would have consequence and galaxy-wide trials against her
>no one ever acknowledges that the Chozo are still alive, even though everyone in the galaxy (including Samus, the adopted child of their race) thought they were long-since extinct so it should come as a surprise to them, but it never does
>no one ever acknowledges the return of Kraid or the Mother Brain units
>CHADzo’s plan makes no sense and falls under scrutinity easily if you think about it too hard (why did he leave Samus alive at the beginning instead of taking her DNA? why does the the ending feel so overstuffed?)
I dunno, it’s just odd as a sequel since it doesn’t feel like something that should come after the other games, I think.-
Yeah let’s just call it a Gaiden instead of Metroid 5.
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On the first 2 points.
1.I was under the impresstion it was a rouge scientist station in fusion.
2. I figured the mystery was that they disappeared mysteriously. Hard to believe they would all die in the short time after Samus left them. Would have been, what, 15 years tops? And Samus would have personally find out why they died if something killed them off imo.-
>rouge
Rogue. Rouge is a type of make-up.-
Sorry thinking about bats
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love learning small shit on Ganker lol
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If you take the final cutscene & the prefight cutscene hologram into account, a lot more makes sense:
CHADzo was being tricked by an X-parasite mimicing Quiet Robe from the start.
The federation never contacted samus, it was also CHADzo, and ‘ADAM’ was him the whole game.
When you take this into account – why would CHADzo be surprised by kraid & comment on it? He captured it, and purchased the mother brain stuff. He didn’t kill samus right away because he ‘wanted to awaken the metroid DNA in her blood’, whatever the fuck that means.
The biggest plothole is that she’s suddenly friends again with the federation in the pregame cutscene, as you mentioned, but, as a mercenary it’s entirely possible Samus just doesn’t give a shit if the money is good. We really don’t know enough about her personality to know.
Any other questions?
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>CHADzo was being tricked by an X-parasite mimicing Quiet Robe from the start
But that’s not true. We only see X infect Quiet Robe when all X are released into the wild
>The federation never contacted samus, it was also CHADzo, and ‘ADAM’ was him the whole game
ADAM was an actual ADAM at least before the landing on ZDR and after the final fight. So this cannot be true
>and purchased the mother brain
?? Mother Brain was always a Chozo’s creation. Even the very first one. So there is no real mystery as to why there are MB’s all over the planet -
How can someone be so wrong on so many things about a game with 5 paragraphs of plot?
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the federation being bad guys is a localization issue. it doesn’t distinguish between factions in the federation army and the whole federation. the federation are good guys but theres little groups inside of it doing bad stuff.
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MercurySteam is Spanish
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that poster means Fusion.
the Japanese text talks about factions within the feds, the english translation doesn’t
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Other M, as shit as it was, also ends up having the same problem as Fusion with the localization script making the Federation look like one entity when the Japanese script breaks it down and is more clear that it’s a corrupt small faction within the Federation.
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>thanslation issue, even then Adam in fusion says that someone would believe her and understand, and it looks like someone did. And there’s more: with the emmi lost and no alternatives, Samus is still a powerful and useful asset.
>Samus knew they were in exile, the only explicitly "extinct chozo" are in one Prime planet. and she is the only one in the game, there is no "them" to whom it might be a surprise.
>again, it’s just Samus in the game. she recognizes kraid and kills him again, no big deal, she knew as well that brain computers were chozo tech, no surprises there either.
>he thinks an awakened Samus would be more useful to clone than make more jellyfishes out of her DNA. so he sets a planet wide gauntlet for her to awaken, or fail and get the DNA either way.
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>no one ever acknowledges the return of Kraid or the Mother Brain units
The control uni in Dread are AI made by Chozo just like Mother Brain was, but there likely is no further connection between them.Likewise Kraid in ZDR might as well be a different individual from the same species as Kraid from Zebes.
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>Likewise Kraid in ZDR might as well be a different individual from the same species as Kraid from Zebes.
If they wanted it to be a different Kraid then the Chozo Archive should’ve shown him being created instead of captured by the Chozo. Besides, the body language in the scene implies that this is the same Kraid.-
Zebes Kraid is the created one.
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>If they wanted it to be a different Kraid then the Chozo Archive should’ve shown him being created instead of captured by the Chozo
Not neccessarily. You assume that Kraid is some unique monster but it might be the whole species it’s just that there are not that many of them out in the galaxy. Zebesian Kraid died so Raven Beak captured another Kraid
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I didn’t really get how the control units got set up, and what they do. The emmi were sent to the planet, and they were captured by the chozo and controlled with the units? But they do the same thing regardless when the units are destroyed. In fact, I’m not sure what destroying the units even does apart from put the room on red alert. Maybe the emmi were sent, and set their own units (and sectors?) up somehow? The Fed has aurora unit tech. But that seems even more retarded.
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-It’s not like the Feds can catch Samus. they only hired her after they lost SEVEN of the strongest robots they ever made.
-Adam might have made a comment about the Chozo being alive Too bad you only ever talk with Ravenbeak the whole game.
-Mother brain units are chozo technology the pirates stole, this was established in canon manga. Samus aknowledges Kraid in her own way.
>Why did Ravenbeak leave Samus Alive at the beginninng.
Because right before that fight cuts out you see samus go into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA mode. She kicked his ass. -
>>the Federation is still very buddy-buddy with Samus and she’s working willingly with them again, even though in the previous game she went against their orders, destroyed an entire space station that held the Feds’ illegal research, and blew up an entire planet along with it, something that Samus said would have consequence and galaxy-wide trials against her
Fusion and Other M sucked and it was retarded to ever make Samus enemies with Humans in the first place.
>no one ever acknowledges that the Chozo are still alive, even though everyone in the galaxy (including Samus, the adopted child of their race) thought they were long-since extinct so it should come as a surprise to them, but it never does
"ADAM" makes a comment about it plus from the Federation, the Chozo are alive but they’re few in numbers and like to stay in hiding.
>no one ever acknowledges the return of Kraid or the Mother Brain units
Cloning and the Chozo created Mother Brain so why wouldn’t they know how to make AI like her?
>CHADzo’s plan makes no sense and falls under scrutinity easily if you think about it too hard (why did he leave Samus alive at the beginning instead of taking her DNA? why does the the ending feel so overstuffed?)
He wanted Samus to become the strongest Metroid there is, the EMMI were just tests and if she failed those tests, he would get her DNA anyway.
>I dunno, it’s just odd as a sequel since it doesn’t feel like something that should come after the other games, I think.
It’s not, it did its job and got us out of the shithole Fusion and Other M put the series in with it needing to humanize Samus storylines that didn’t even fit with Metroid 1-Super’s direction.
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The premise and entire storyline of every Metroid game can be explained in a single sentence dude. What is here even for the canon to begin with?
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You same "fans" criticized "Other M" for pulling the same bullshit plot even though the game play wasn’t all that bad.
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It needed:
>The text "Metroid 5" before the title screen.
>Less indulgence on the remakes for people that only played the originals (like I know for example her being raised Chozo is known in Zero Mission and online discourse but there are gonna be people jumping in who don’t know that as a given).
>Save rooms as one thing insteads of spreading them out to network stations, map stations, energy rechargers, ammo rechargers, and full rechargers (whose idea was it to split up your stops?).
>A bit more nonlinearity would be nice, and the artificial hold on items until a certain point.
>Zero Suit endings. You can even port the models from Samus Returns for all I care or remove the DA-tier Chozo artwork, this is a long-held tradition. Literally no one was complaining about them in previous games, maybe the bikinis but it’s been long moved to casual/street-wear.-
>>Less indulgence on the remakes for people that only played the originals
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Mainline metroid games have never been numbered. It wouldn’t make sense to number them. I agree with the rest of your points, but you can unlock a Zero Suit image in the gallery from hard mode.
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>Mainline metroid games have never been numbered.
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>Mainline metroid games have never been numbered
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>Less indulgence on the remakes for people that only played the originals
Everyone knows the mainline series is Zero Mission (remake), Samus Returns (remake), Super (original), Other M (original), and Fusion (original). That’s right, the latter three will never get remade with alternate titles like the former two. This is set in stone, forever. No, this won’t unintentionally date the game.-
I hate that returns is the canon second game, because the baby metroid being a power up and ridley being a boss ruins the entire ending
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The Ridley fight was needed for a good final boss sequence. Metroid 2 is pretty barebones if you couldn’t tell by Samus Returns, I honestly thought the new bosses they added (digger robot, Ridley) helped a lot. I think overall it was still just an "ok" game.
I’m hoping Nintendo releases a "Metroid Samus" collection with all the mainline Samus games (Zero Mission, Samus Returns, Sper, Other M (remade to not be shit), Fusion, Dread) for an anniversary one year, and a Complete collection with all the Prime games and original non-remakes included. The spinoffs like Federation Force and Pinball are okay to be left alone.
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To the Prime timeline, yes.
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Pinball is just a loose retelling of Prime, think those weird Castlevania pachinko spinoffs.
Prime isn’t a separate timeline. If anyone is familiar with how the Holocron hierarchy in the legacy Star Wars canon worked, I’ve worked it out as follows: the "numbered" mainline Metroid games (Metroid, Return of Samus, Super, Fusion, Dread) would be G-Canon, official mainline remakes (Zero Mission and Samus Returns so far) would be T-Canon, Other M would be C-Canon, the "numbered" Prime series would be S-Canon, Prime’s original spinoffs (Hunters and Federation Force) would be D-Canon, and stuff like AM2R would just be N-Canon. Higher tiers have higher priority to the overarching lore, with the bottom being straight-up non-canon. With the Prime games and sometimes Other M being off the timeline recently despite conflicting statements that they count (and Dread representing Other M), and the remakes occasionally treated interchangeably, Sakamoto SHOULD just adopt this system. It’d make it a lot easier to talk about the chronology without split timeline theories popping up every time.
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The Ridley fight was needed for a good final boss sequence.
No, it wasn’t. It would’ve been better if the queen was improved, or hell, even have it run away and then show up again revamped for round 2. That way, it would’ve been more poignant seeing the hatchling fight its actual mother versus its newly-adopted one. That brief walk to the surface in peace was supposed to serve as a moment of reflection. Also, I’m pretty sure the response to jamming Ridley where he didn’t belong is half the reason he’s not in Dread.
>Metroid 2 is pretty barebones if you couldn’t tell by Samus Returns,
It’s a 1991 Game Boy game, of course they had to make do with what they had.
>I honestly thought the new bosses they added (digger robot, Ridley) helped a lot.
AM2R proves that you could’ve had an interesting set of new bosses while simultaneously leaving Ridley out of it.
>I think overall it was still just an "ok" game.
They should’ve called it "Metroid Gaiden" and left Super Metroid as the real Metroid 2.
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you got one, she has even big booba
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>big
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>tfw got the Zero Mission art for beating the game over 9 hours
I know there’s art for Beating under 9 hours, beating under 6 hours, and beating under 4 hours. Is the zero suit one for beating it under 4? Or is that for getting 100% items on hard mode?-
You get the dread one for Hard in under 4. You get zero suit after getting all others.
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>Is the zero suit one for beating it under 4?
It’s for getting all of the endings like there is hidden art for getting all of the items (when you 100% one area you get one art). You need to beat the game under 4 hours on Normal to get the top three endings and then under 4 hours on Hard to get bottom three + bonus one
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>OG Ridley is technically in the game
>right next to Dread Kraid.
You lose, faggots, Dread Kraid is OG Kraid, get wrecked.-
>>right next to Dread Kraid.
Who said that? Why does it have to be Dread Kraid over there when there are Super’s bosses lined up?-
He’s just shitposting. The end game art in that post is obviously just a collage of all the mainline Metroid games.
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My wife is so beautiful
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why are you flaunting her intimate seminudes ya weirdo
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it just keeps getting shorter
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what the fuck, I rush through the first area as fast as I can and that still takes 20 mins ingame
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Am I the only one driven NUTS by the fact they switched from Roman to Arabic numerals? Also, is Other M "3.5"?
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Other M = Metroid IIIss
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why not?
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He’s gonna be in the inevitable story DLC, right?
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That’s not a valid criticism.
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That’s not a valid retort.
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nobody cares. Its canon lmao.
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Crazy how westerners have now made the best 2D and 3D Metroids.
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metroid is a western franchise at its heart
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I mean, thr franchise itself was based of Alien, movies we created.
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When did Samus activate the self destruct sequence before the fight with Raven Beak? As far as I know the flow went straight from Raven Beak’s evil floating villain lair -> crashed to ground -> Metroid Samus super beaming Kraid Beak -> Oh shit the planet is all of a sudden blowing up
Also, they never explain how the X parasite version of Quiet Robe was able to re-transform Samus back to her original form, or the fact Samus’s real parents are humans tat were killed by Ridley and yet Raven Beak still calls her his daughter. I’m guessing it’s a metaphoric thing in that aspect, since he considers her his "daughter" if he gave her some of his DNA to awaken her Metroid form.
Also, I’m assuming the only reason Raven Beak let Samus live in the beginning is because he wanted her to awaken her Metroid form. But then it doesn’t make sense for him to say "I have no need for you now since I can just create Metroid Samus clones infinitely". If he had that capability all along, why even let her live in the first place. Just to confirm that her Metroid half would come out?
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>self destruct
adam also mentions destroying the planet out of nowhere. assuming adam was actually raven beak at that point (who probably would want to kill the x) he may have set the destruct. it’s not clear though.
>quiet robe x
it’s something about the thoha possessing an inherent ability to control metroids, right down to the genetic level
>daughter
yeah this was metaphorical. mother brain does the same thing in the manga. he gave his dna just to enhance her physical abilities though, not to awaken her metroid form, which wasn’t a possibility until after she received the metroid vax.
>let her live
yeah he mentions seeing a "glimpse" of the ability at the start. granted the whole dna harvesting thing is riddled with plotholes considering he and anyone else could just scrape her gunship seat, or any of the myriad places metroids have touched. They should have specified it had to be a living sample or something. -
Self destruct could have been a contingency Ravenbeak put into his ship if it crashed since he knew he’d immediatly get infected by the X. There could be any number of other reasons.
Samus absorbs Powers from X parasites. A Thot X would have a stronger control over Metroid powers.
Also, You greatly misunderstood the DNA stuff. Samus had Mawkin DNA the whole time, that’s the whole reason she can use her Suit. Ravenbeak awakening Samus’s metroid DNA was because she was attached by a Mawkin Chozo.>Ravenbeak gives samus his Mawkin DNA and lets her live in the first cutscene
Not what happens. the Scene cuts out just as Samus’s eye go all glowy and dead. Samus probably demonstrated exactly how dangerous she was and Ravenbeakran fled and changed plans. Samus then passed out and lost her suit capabilities because of the dramatic transformation (as mentioned in the first communication room).Ravenbeaks plan was to use Adam’s name to gain Samus’ trust, make her afraid of her own powers and obey him out of fear.
When that doesn’t work, Killing her and cloning her is his plan B.
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>nooo i need the least unimaginative villain i need the cringe Ridley
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>ridley
>cringe
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When will you guys get tired of grasping at straws to find complaints about this game?
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