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    • #426352
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      >"They dress up like Roman soldiers"

    • #426353
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      I like their uniform. And if you think about it skirts are pretty practical and also very unique and distinctive. 9/10, could’ve had cooler helmets

      • #426356
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        It’s definitely more practical than American Civil War clothing and bathrobes

        How useful would football armor actually be in this setting? Like, it probably would be crap against bullets, but is it actually viable otherwise?

        • #426363
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          Basically zero. It’s padding designed to stop men throwing themselves at other men in padding from getting too injured. It’s a uniform first and armour a distant second.

        • #426365
          Anonymous
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          >in this setting
          Well leather armor is pretty decent in Fallout, so…

          • #426370
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            Football uniforms are not comparable to actual leather armor, not even remotely

            • #426372
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              they’re reinforced

          • #426441
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            Leather jackets can stop fucking knives, they’re pretty tough

        • #426369
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          Not much at all. Legion recruits are basically cannon fodder that fight the NCR entirely on ambushes and sheer numbers. They’re the reason why lorelets think the Legion "hates guns"; they just save the few guns they have for the recruits that manage to actually survive.

          • #426436
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            You know what I found kinda interesting about the Legion? Its use of spies and saboteurs, you encounter a good number of them while NCR has literally nothing to counteract them outside of accidentally stumbling on them in the act

            • #426439
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              Well, NCR is a normal society; Legion is not. You can sign up to the army as a civilian, but you really can’t stroll up to a Legion camp and say "hi I came to enlist". I mean you might try it, but in the offchance they take you seriously be prepared to be trained in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed live machete trainings from the first second, not to mention all the pillaging, raping and enslavement you’d witness and be unable to stop in order to keep your cover.

        • #426371
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          Most armour is crap against bullets.

        • #426399
          Anonymous
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          The only ones who wear armor that would effectively stop bullets are the BoS and NCR heavy troopers. NCR troopers leather armor is about as effective as wearing nothing as far as bullets go

          • #426410
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            Isn’t NCR armor a type of kevlar, not just leather? Or the chest piece at least.

            • #426412
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              It’s supposed to have a thin layer of kevlar, yes, but one of the NCR troops mentions that new recruits are being shipped out without even proper body armor anymore

              • #426418
                Anonymous
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                This is seen ingame, kinda. The fatigues don’t have the body armor and only have 2 DT

            • #426414
              Anonymous
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              The rangers yes, but I’m pretty sure regular grunts just wore leather fatigues.

              • #426416
                Anonymous
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                Rangers and the other riot armors are full on plate carriers, aren’t they? Not as goofy as the giant non-veteran Ranger armor, but still hard armor and a league above the grunts.

                It’s supposed to have a thin layer of kevlar, yes, but one of the NCR troops mentions that new recruits are being shipped out without even proper body armor anymore

                That makes sense, I’d forgotten the part about how the supply chain’s so fudged they aren’t even manufacturing the armor correctly.

                • #426417
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                  They only have one real in-road into the Mojave by the time of New Vegas
                  it’s not that they can’t produce the armor, they can’t ship it to the front lines in large enough numbers to properly outfit everybody

                  That’s why you also see NCR troopers using sub/non-standard equipment like Caravan Shotguns when they’re all supposed to be issued a Service Rifle, 9mm pistol, and combat knife

                  • #426422
                    Anonymous
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                    fucking hell, poor bastards.

                    • #426424
                      Anonymous
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                      Yeah imagine you’re in line to get your equipment and they give you some shitty cloth fatigues with 2 fucking DT
                      >Alright well, at least I get a proper weapon
                      Here’s your 20ga over-under shotgun held together with duct tape

                      now get out there and make a difference

      • #426368
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        I wish skirts were more normal in western society. Like, I wish I could get a cool skirt and feel comfortable without being called gay.

        • #426375
          Anonymous
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          Agreed.

        • #426376
          Anonymous
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          I knew being Scots has an advantage over being Engl*sh

          • #426377
            Anonymous
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            kilts are a victorian larp

            • #426378
              Anonymous
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              but its a still a skirt, its a win win for me

        • #426379
          Anonymous
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          I own a kilt but I never wear it outside of the house since I don’t want to be that guy.

          • #426381
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            be the change you want to see, scotanon

          • #426415
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            what guy is that? the cool guy?

          • #426420
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            wear your kilt anon only cool people wear kilts

        • #426382
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          maybe not necessarily skirt but something like a pantless tunic should come back to fashion

          • #426445
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            imagine the breeze

    • #426354
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      It’s definitely more practical than American Civil War clothing and bathrobes

    • #426355
      Anonymous
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      I’m not seeing it?

    • #426357
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      It’s surprising how good it looks. It’s not perfect but it could’ve looked so shit, my confirmation bias might be talking but it feels like armor design has gone to shit with time

      • #426358
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        In general or with the Fallout games?

        • #426361
          Anonymous
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          both, but now that you mention it Fallout is one of the most egregious examples

    • #426359
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      The Enclave bug power armor will forever be my favorite but Caesar’s Legion has some pretty good visual design. If you can’t appreciate this you are a pleb.

      • #426362
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        My only complaint is that the Centurions should’ve had a few more variations of their armor, perhaps
        It’s odd that it’s patchwork from all their enemies they killed but it’s also uniform

        • #426364
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          dev time limitations

      • #426373
        Anonymous
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        The simple fact that the power armor’s pauldron is upright rather than parallel to the arm makes that outfit look so much better in concept art than in-game.

        • #426374
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          I think parallel looks better, FO3/NV PA pauldrons are extremely goofy.

      • #426380
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        Peak AESTHETICS

        […]
        How useful would football armor actually be in this setting? Like, it probably would be crap against bullets, but is it actually viable otherwise?

        >How useful would football armor actually be in this setting? Like, it probably would be crap against bullets, but is it actually viable otherwise?
        It helps with everything else, wild animals, small mutants,…
        New Vegas Mojave context make reinforced football gear a really good choice

    • #426360
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      THEY DIDN’T HAVE GOGGLES IN ANCIENT ROME

    • #426366
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      Could The Legion still be a thing after Edward? I always like to imagine the canon ending of New Vegas is either a Yes-Man or Mr. House route, but Ceaser stays alive. He dies, but the Legion lives on, albeit in a balkanized state. I think that would be cool, because we can see different interpenetrations and evolutions of the ideology of The Legion. Perhaps one Legion group would be more okay with using tech, or maybe one other could be "friendlier", and I don’t mean they would be "more good", but just more inclined to diplomacy and intrigue.

      • #426367
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        Yes. Anyone who thinks it will die with Caesar doesn’t understand how the actual Rome worked and doesn’t understand the scale of the Legion described in-game. It will fracture and balkanize but it’s unironically going to result in some high-tier civilizations, all of which would probably outlive the NCR.

        • #426435
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          Doubt it, because Legion is really just that, bastardized version of a roman legion, its a roman army without Rome to anchor it, but it does make me wonder how its non-military parts function, I imagine the settlements being tributaries and vassals that maybe send out people to serve the legion proper

          • #426437
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            >but it does make me wonder how its non-military parts function, I imagine the settlements being tributaries and vassals that maybe send out people to serve the legion proper
            Legion territory is basically "you have all your basic needs met like food water and security but you have absolutely zero rights and must comply with anything the Legion asks of you"

        • #426444
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          >Anyone who thinks it will die with Caesar doesn’t understand how the actual Rome worked
          Dude, the Legion didn’t know how Rome worked either.

    • #426383
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      >200 years after world ended
      >Old football gear still intact and abundant enough to equip large army
      Bethesda fallouts are dumb. Like why people still living among ruins and junk and not trying to rebuild anything. its been two fucking CENTURIES

      • #426384
        Anonymous
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        dont you know, you are not allowed to like FNV and only allowed to like F3 because TRANNIES plays FNV?

      • #426386
        Anonymous
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        >"abundant enough to equip large army"
        Every highschool in America has a football team. There’s a highschool in almost every town.

        • #426387
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          I dont think that after 200 years Legion will be first to get their hands on them

          • #426388
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            Who’s to say they can’t just take it from them?

            • #426391
              Anonymous
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              Take it from who? Does the legion have some kind of sixth sense where they can track down every last piece of football gear in the country no matter who took it?

          • #426390
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            Who else would have need for it in such quantities? People barely traveled around 80 years after the bombs, and that’s on the West Coast; the Legion was established 35 years ago. The point of the Legion’s armor is that, for recruits/grunts, it’s plentiful and uniform. The armor is little more than football padding, scavenged from countless high schools and universities across the West and the Midwest. Hell it’s not even meant to be that good at being armor, there’s no metal until you get to the rank of Vexillary, it’s literally just football padding. It might be able to stop a machete or a 9mm if you’re extra lucky, but that’s it. And that’s literally the fucking point: you get nothing useful until you prove yourself to the Legion. If the armor fails to save you and you die, you were probably too weak to be useful anyway.

        • #426392
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          • #426393
            Anonymous
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            Why would they model them after football pads instead of actual Roman armour?

            • #426396
              Anonymous
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              Cause the tribal slave women only had football pads to work off as a blueprint and didn’t know what a Legionnaire was.

              • #426398
                Anonymous
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                So they had tribal women make football pads that they then had somebody else modify to look like Roman armour? You know how stupid this is sounding, right?

                • #426400
                  Anonymous
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                  They had a bunch of slaves reproduce what they had reference for as they needed them, then wore red clothes and a skirt. Your assumption is as much they found a warehouse of football pads then lugged them with them with each tribe they took over.

            • #426397
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              >Expecting post apoc tribes to know about ancient roman legion

    • #426385
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      >there’s people out there that still believe the Legion only use melee weapons because "technology bad" even though most of them probably antagonize them as soon as Nipton which means they spend the entire game fighting off death squads armed with rifles
      I will never get how so many people that supposedly love a game and have been playing it for a decade can get such basic facts wrong

      • #426419
        Anonymous
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        I feel like Legate’s armor should’ve been composed of various power armor parts.

      • #426421
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        They’re incapable of reconciling that line of dialogue from one of Caesar’s Praetorians where he says
        >a gun can break, we train so that we’re never without a weapon
        They extrapolate, from that simple bit of practical ideology, that the Legion never EVER uses technology and HATES it
        instead of the obvious conclusion that they simply have a tenant about not being over-reliant on it

        Anybody with eyes and a brain can see that the Legion is not against using any technology that they happen to find
        they just don’t produce it themselves

        I don’t know why people are incapable of holding this balance in their mind

        • #426425
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          >tenant

      • #426432
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        Retards tend to focus on the wrong things, ie "Dead Money is a terrible DLC because of the Speakers" or "Honest Hearts is the best because of Joshua Graham". They do not look at the big picture.
        Just idiots in general that do not know why they like or dislike something and resort to describing feelings (insert indians and their "Fallout 3 feels so dark! Such a good game! Kino!)

        • #426434
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          the speakers are shit though

          • #426438
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      • #426447
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        Because their use of firearms contradicts their main mottos. Caesar and his ilk give the player speeches about the sturdiness and personal construction of close range weapons yet anyone who is not one of their cannon fodder brings uses a scavenged firearm or high tech powerfist.

    • #426389
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      >Sudden urge to replay OWB
      >Theres 40min of unskippable dialog sequence with peak cringe humor
      I like location and shooting tons of lobotomites and robots. But damn that opening chore

      • #426394
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        The opening werent exactly their fault, they had do exposition dump because someone somewhere on the higher up told them to do it.

      • #426395
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        The writing is mostly fine when you understand what it’s referencing but starting off with half an hour of Think Tank dialogue is off-putting.

      • #426404
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        I was thinking about what my favorite DLC was, and when I was thinking about Old World Blues, I realized it just as much a chore as Dead Money.
        there’s no "good part", I don’t like a single quest in either of then. Both of them have tedious enemies, Old World Blues has the damage sponges that blow up in your face and have the audacity to spawn 20 ft in front of you out of thin air

        • #426406
          Anonymous
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          >audacity to spawn 20 ft in front of you out of thin air
          Jokes on you but on one of my runs game forgot to spawn enemies outside. Only scripted ones appeared. Greatness of gamebryo shines bright.

        • #426408
          Anonymous
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          I’m on a replay too and have finally decided that I hate Dead Money
          >f-f-filtered
          Whatever, I’ve done it over a dozen times now, and it’s just not good

          • #426409
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            >finally decided
            >I’ve done it over a dozen times now
            So you got bored of it after a dozen playthroughs? Seems like a (You) problem

    • #426401
      Anonymous
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      Why Caesar decided to larp as roman and not nazi germany instead?

      • #426402
        Anonymous
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        Banned in Germany

      • #426403
        Anonymous
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        because Romans actually lasted for a thousand year meanwhile Nazis only claimed to last a thousand year

      • #426405
        Anonymous
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        Well, Nazi Germany believed in racial supremacy and that certain races are inferior. This would be pretty impractical in the American wasteland and Caesar himself probably lacks much German blood. The Legion would allow just about anyone to join it. Plus, the Enclave already ape the National Socialists so it would feel derivative.

      • #426407
        Anonymous
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        The Romans achieved what Hitler wanted without the racial autism that Hitler exposed. Also in the wasteland that is America in fallout racial purity is probably the last thing on anyone’s mind.

      • #426423
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        >Massively influential and powerful nation that effectively conquered the known world and created what was considered a utopia at the time, with incredible influences on art and society
        >A political party that couldnt even be straight with their own citizens and lasted less than a decade
        gee i wonder why.

    • #426411
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      >implying Roman soldiers dressed like that.

      You stupid fucking retard.

    • #426413
      Anonymous
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      >makes women and simps seethe

      • #426429
        Anonymous
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        It was a different time.

    • #426430
      Anonymous
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      Skirts too.

      >Jimmy indicates that homosexuality is common in Caesar’s Legion, and also says: “Honestly, as long as men meet obligations and the child count, “friendships” are a sight more equal than the level of most Legion husbands and wives.”
      >When a male PC with the Confirmed Bachelor perk tells Cass that he isn’t interested in her romantically, she’ll say: “Guess you’ve got a Legion outlook on things” (which can be seen in this video). She goes on to suggest that homosexuality is common in Caesar’s Legion.
      >Veronica similarly says, “I hear the soldiers mount each other as much as they mount their women, so maybe they did keep a little something from the Empire.”

    • #426440
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      Wait a minute, how did the legion get the warriors from all the fellowships they brutally conquered to cooperate with the roman theme?
      They had to have done this to rapidly expand as much as they have.

      You’d think tribals would resent the them a little bit. Even if forced to wear the skirt they wouldn’t get into the whole faux-roman act so enthusiastically as the legion seems to do. What gives?

      • #426442
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        When the Legion conquers a tribe, anyone who resists is executed and this often includes most of the fighting-age men
        The young men are indoctrinated to conform to the Legion, women are enslaved
        they go so far as to burn/scrape off old tribal tattoos
        anything it takes to completely clear away any previous tribal identity

        They may resent them, but it doesn’t matter. They are forced to adopt the Legion culture or are killed.

      • #426443
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        They don’t seem like they’re imitating Rome all that much, just repeating words commonly said by the rest of the faction. I think that most legionaries aren’t really trying that hard, anyway. They may be loyal savages but I’ve never heard a single one besides the higherups praise Mars, but they’ll all kill in Caesar’s name.

        • #426446
          Anonymous
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          >now, repeat after me
          >Ave, true to Kaisar
          >okay, now run off and get killed
          Legion lore training 101

      • #426449
        Anonymous
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        It’s basically a cult. They manipulate recruits into getting on-board with the roman stuff as a way of stripping them of their former tribal identity.

        Also, only people who *would* fall for this actually end up joining legion. They massacre everyone else because they understand that, like you said, most tribals wouldn’t put up with it.

        Also this kind of thing literally did happen historically as well. Conquerors often offered to the people being conquered the opportunity to join their ranks, knowing that 90% would refuse and the 10% that wouldn’t are ripe for manipulation to become second class soldiers or slaves.

    • #426448
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      I’M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS!

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