Thoughts on Fallout: Van Buren? Would it have been a good game?
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January 6, 2021 at 8:02 pm #52178
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January 6, 2021 at 8:20 pm #52179
Anonymous
Guestbetter than 3, new vegas, and 4 at least.
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January 7, 2021 at 3:50 pm #52226
Anonymous
Guest>better than 3 and 4
new vegas is worthwhile; just wish all the new vegas engine features were on 3
4 is skyrim with guns, which automatically puts it in the shitter
3 was an above-average game until new vegas hit the shelves, and neither have aged particularly well, though vegas is still more playable (though the setting is as repetitive than the old fo1 gambling mechanic)
fallout 1 and 2 had the best settings and dice-based gameplay, but 3 and NV have much more entertaining gameplay with their """immersive""" 3D sandboxes (which are entertaining enough)
it’s a shame fallout 4 is such a disappointment, and that 3 and NV didn’t share the same enthusiasm and hand-crafted feel as fo1 and 2
>t. obligatory never finished fo2 or played tatics post-
January 7, 2021 at 3:51 pm #52227
Anonymous
Guest4 isn’t good, but it’s sure as gently caress better than 3.
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January 7, 2021 at 4:01 pm #52229
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Guest>4 is better than 3
there’s things I like about both, but 4 is obviously the more enjoyable and approachable game (and has a weapons system more fun than 3’s)-
January 7, 2021 at 6:28 pm #52231
Anonymous
Guest>and has a weapons system more fun than 3’s
Unfortunately, the selection of weapons are inferior to Fallout 3.
Fallout 3 had the R91 Assault Rifle (and was an actual assault rifle), Type 93 Chinese Assault Rifle, and Shanxi Type 17 Chinese Pistol.Majority of Fallout 4’s guns look like shit, even with the crafting system.
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January 8, 2021 at 1:33 am #52236
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GuestF4’s guns offer more variety in terms of function.
Out of all the 3D Fallout games, Fallout 3 has the worst gun offering and gunplay.
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January 8, 2021 at 3:06 am #52242
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January 8, 2021 at 3:12 am #52243
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GuestNot him, but
>Combat isn’t appallingly bad
>The writing, while not exactly good, isn’t a blunt rehash of 1 and 2
>Game actually has colors other than green, brown and grey
>Settlement building is fun assuming that you have enough tism for it -
January 8, 2021 at 11:38 am #52246
Anonymous
GuestThe strong points are
>the best combat out of all 3D Fallout games, including a diverse selection of guns and armor you can modify
>more interesting world to discover than Fallout 3 by far
>a few ok companions
>some enjoyable quests like the silver shroud, robot pirates, deathclaw horror at the museum of witchcraft, etc
>base building ins’t amazing, but can be fun
>far harbor dlc is good
>some good quality of life changes to things like the looting system
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January 8, 2021 at 8:30 am #52245
Anonymous
Guest>aged
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January 8, 2021 at 2:11 am #52239
Anonymous
GuestHalf the stuff that was made for van buren got incorporated into new vegas you delusional boomer
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January 8, 2021 at 8:14 am #52244
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January 6, 2021 at 8:23 pm #52180
Anonymous
GuestBetter than 3&4 at least
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January 6, 2021 at 8:24 pm #52181
Anonymous
GuestI really want either Van Buren or New Vegas made in an isometric style with turn based combat, almost as much as I just want a an actual post-NV fallout game. I really enjoy the 1-2-NV storyline.
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January 6, 2021 at 9:17 pm #52182
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GuestBirds-eye view is dogshit.
Only boomers and faggots give a shit about the (unnatural advantage) birds-eye view.GROW THE gently caress UP, BOOMERS…!
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January 6, 2021 at 9:20 pm #52183
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January 6, 2021 at 9:23 pm #52184
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January 6, 2021 at 9:28 pm #52188
Anonymous
GuestHow is it an unnatural advantage if the game is designed around it?
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January 7, 2021 at 12:01 am #52195
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Guest>unnatural advantage
Are you suggesting the NPCs can only see in first-person?-
January 7, 2021 at 12:29 am #52196
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GuestIts just bait, without hardcoding bots to react to faux senses they see everything at all times and are never impeded by anything, ever.
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January 6, 2021 at 9:23 pm #52185
Anonymous
GuestYup. Just take a look at the concept art with some data mined music
Great vibe.
Also the Desgin Documents https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCagUJdg-iWr4kukWlqXsT_5F1r_iXcSz
I like the fact that they went with a more sci-fi adventure style of the original game.
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January 6, 2021 at 9:24 pm #52186
Anonymous
GuestThe asymmetrical coop multiplayer got used by Wasteland 3, so if you are wondering if the "Play With A Friend" would have been good, that can answer the question.
From what I remember about VB, it seemed like it was going to be a good conclusion to Fallout.
Luckily a lot of the good ideas got reused in NV.-
January 6, 2021 at 9:26 pm #52187
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GuestBut this wasn’t supposed to be the final game. Actually, they were already setting up the next one, which was supposed to be about NCR and Legion conflict.
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January 6, 2021 at 9:29 pm #52189
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GuestIt’s easy to say "oh there was totally going be a Fallout 4" before 3 happens.
They didn’t even get through 3, to even start worrying about a 4.
Plus, you know how development goes, they probably would have merged those ideas into 3 anyways.
Not that it matters, we got NV and the VB’s vertical slice.-
January 6, 2021 at 9:35 pm #52190
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Guest>Plus, you know how development goes, they probably would have merged those ideas into 3 anyways.
If I recall correctly, exactly the opposite happened. They wanted Legion to be a big part of Fallout 3, but while they liked the idea, they had to cut it and instead just decided to foreshadow them, having small snippets of Legion in the game and a companion who would give some backstory behind them.-
January 6, 2021 at 10:11 pm #52191
Anonymous
Guest>If I recall correctly, exactly the opposite happened.
Yeah, it got cancelled.
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January 7, 2021 at 12:52 pm #52215
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Guest>Actually, they were already setting up the next one, which was supposed to be about NCR and Legion conflict.
That was New Vegas. Van Buren is based before NV.-
January 7, 2021 at 12:55 pm #52216
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GuestI doubt they already came up with New Vegas at the time. The game would definitely be something else, since locations like The Hoover Dam served a different purpose and a lot of NV ideas were supposed to be used in Van Buren
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January 7, 2021 at 12:59 pm #52219
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GuestVan Buren cant’ be canon to NV for a laundry list of reasons.
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January 6, 2021 at 11:14 pm #52192
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GuestThe story sounded terrible. Kind of glad it was cancelled
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January 6, 2021 at 11:18 pm #52193
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GuestThe story was never publicly released, you NIPPLE!
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January 6, 2021 at 11:23 pm #52194
Anonymous
GuestThe design documents were. Not sure what that guy’s problem is. The story sounds great, really similar to other Interplay games at the time.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:30 am #52198
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Guestthe giant robot argos thing seems really dumb
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January 7, 2021 at 9:39 am #52208
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GuestI don’t know man. A lot of original ideas sound stupid in design. I like the idea of an active obstacle trying to slow you down, while there’s a good ending timer.
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January 8, 2021 at 12:34 am #52235
Anonymous
GuestI thought that was an amazing concept I can’t think of any other video game with one like it? I guess its kind of like Mr. X or The Tyrant from resident evil. I could imagine it being done really uniquely with modern engines like having it as a bit of a randomly generated encounter where he can track you to a degree from his starting point.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:22 am #52197
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GuestYes it was.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:43 am #52199
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GuestDoubt it. I don’t really care regardless. We got New Vegas, and should be happy with that. Forget Fallout, no other game has topped NV since its release. Graphics age and gameplay on the engine can be stiff, but no other modern game comes close to it in writing and RPG elements. Bethesda can choke on it and die knowing their garbage can’t hold a candle to it.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:47 am #52200
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Guesti agree, everyone dick sucks new vegas so much but I wouldn’t even say its overrated because of that. It’s legitimately one of the best games ever made and easily one of if not the best western rpg
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January 7, 2021 at 5:49 am #52201
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GuestDoes NV have any relation to 3? I tried playing 3 quite a while ago, probably close to when it came out, but couldn’t get into it at all. I don’t even think the graphics are bad really, but just the art direction in Bethesda games is usually pretty ugly. And NV is made by Obsidian but is still on the same engine, using at least some of the same assets I imagine.
I also don’t really like the Fallout aesthetic, honestly, even if they are good games. I wish someone made a similar game (to the turn based ones) with another aesthetic/setting.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:51 am #52202
Anonymous
GuestThe only thing it has in common is legitimately just the engine, the artstyle, writing, gameplay, ugly green faggot filter, map design, all are so much better.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:52 am #52203
Anonymous
Guest3 is non-canon trash that should be completely disregarded. Try your best to erase it from your mind and begin again with NV. The same with 4 and 76, unless you really want to try out their base building and broken multiplayer gimmicks.
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January 7, 2021 at 6:06 am #52204
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GuestNV is basically FO3 funny cowboy edition with a piss filter
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January 7, 2021 at 6:08 am #52205
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GuestIt’s tang and it’s kino. I never remove it when modding.
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January 7, 2021 at 6:16 am #52206
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GuestIf the gameplay or graphics turned you off that much you won’t like NV, it’s mostly identical with those. The writing and quests are much better, but it’s clearly based off of shit made for 3.
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January 7, 2021 at 7:08 am #52207
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Guest>I wish someone made a similar game (to the turn based ones) with another aesthetic/setting.
Look into Underrail. I’ve seen it praised as a true Fallout 3 multiple times. Combat is much better as well, but some people aren’t huge fans of the dialogue/some of the quests. I personally didn’t have a problem with it. It does have it’s own look and setting. -
January 7, 2021 at 11:13 am #52210
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Guest>Look into Underrail.
seconding this
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January 8, 2021 at 2:32 am #52241
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GuestI think that the stat system of Underrail is ultimately better than S.P.E.C.I.A.L.. It did a good job balancing your character creation determining your build and letting some room for growth.
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January 8, 2021 at 2:58 pm #52247
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Guesti agree just the simple things like stats synergie
i just wish that the game had more skill checks in the dialoges and the world
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January 7, 2021 at 2:06 pm #52223
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GuestTry arcanum. Made by the People that made fallout with some similar gameplay but in an industrialising fantasy setting.
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January 7, 2021 at 3:31 pm #52224
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Guest>Does NV have any relation to 3?
no, because 3 had no relation to the games that came before it, it was essentially a bethesda reboot.
NV is a sequel to fallout 2.-
January 7, 2021 at 4:00 pm #52228
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Guest>3 had no relation to the games that came before it, it was essentially a bethesda reboot
which is why it was set on the opposite coast, so that writers could escape the trap of contradictions and nuances; probably people who’ve never played 1 or 2
nonetheless, if obsidian entertainment had produced 3 as they did NV, this entire board would be circlejerking over fo3
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January 8, 2021 at 1:56 am #52238
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Guest>Does NV have any relation to 3
Some slight reference to characters and events, but nothing major.
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January 7, 2021 at 10:55 am #52209
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GuestIt was going to be utter dogshit, and it’s just contrarians lying to eachother to try and convince themselves. This was post-‘Piece of Shit’ Black Isle. They were haemorrhaging money and desperate to break into the console market, and that *would* have impacted Van Buren. It was also going to be an early generation 3D game, and still isometric, so it would have aged like crap and failed to appeal to the mass market that Black Isle needed to capture, and so not only would it have financially failed it would have potentially killed the franchise along with the company and we would never have gotten New Vegas. This is all before we get into the stupid shit like m-preg ghoul babies. It was going to be a trainwreck.
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January 7, 2021 at 11:38 am #52211
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GuestBasically all of the good parts of Van Buren were repackaged and done better in New Vegas. It’s possible that a lot of the evolutions of the ideas in NV would have come to fruition in a fully developed VB, but as is every idea that VB/NV share is done better in the latter.
The main story seems like it would have been the weakest part, looking over the design documents. The worldbuilding and location design seemed ace, but the main story was crap. Way too similar to the Enclave plot of 2. Funnily enough, the main story was done better when it was repurposed into Elijah and Ulysses for NV.
Gameplay wise, hard to say. The rules system for 1 and 2 needed work, and VB seemed like it was making interesting alterations but we never saw it come to fruition.
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January 7, 2021 at 12:31 pm #52212
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GuestMain story had a lot of holes in it. The crux of the first act being "bring back the other prisoners" was retarded and massively underthought.
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January 7, 2021 at 12:47 pm #52214
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GuestIsn’t that what a lot of games do? Artificial reasons to visit every key location in the game? Kind of like NV Act 1 and 2, where in the first one you follow the footsteps of Benny and in the second one you’re tasked to visit all of the subfactions.
By the looks of it, you didn’t even have to bring all of the prisoners back, as some could die or dissapear. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’d just learn more about the villain as you go and thus progress the story.
And I kind of miss the science fiction crap like The Master, Calculator, Supermutants as opposed to bland political conflicts that would fit in just well in any other genre. Seems like this is where a lot of opinions differ and why you disslike the ideas like a Giant Security Robot following you.
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January 7, 2021 at 12:56 pm #52217
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Guest>And I kind of miss the science fiction crap
Because Mr House, Yes Man, etc. isn’t sci-fi. That this isn’t what the game is focused on and what ultimately matters.>as opposed to bland political conflicts
You mean just like the Master and shit? You’re telling me that political shit isn’t as bland as it gets? It’s anime tier. -
January 7, 2021 at 12:57 pm #52218
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Guest>Isn’t that what a lot of games do? Artificial reasons to visit every key location in the game? Kind of like NV Act 1 and 2, where in the first one you follow the footsteps of Benny and in the second one you’re tasked to visit all of the subfactions.
The reasoning isn’t what’s bad, it’s the execution. Benny has a solid paper trail behind him, you’re actively tracking him. As far as we’re aware, there was NO way to know the identities of the other Prisoners or to find out where they went. In the context of a game where you have limited locations, it makes sense that visiting everywhere on the map would make you run into them – but in the context of the world it would be basically next to impossible to find these people in the entirety of the Four Courners (not to mention them travelling anywhere beyond that).
It also feels particularly artificial compared to the Vault Dweller checking out the towns in south california or the Chosen One looking for the GECK in North California.
Similarly, how was the player meant to drag everyone back "dead or alive"? Physically, as in.
> as opposed to bland political conflicts that would fit in just well in any other genre.
I massively disagree. What world are you playing in where there are more politically driven RPGs than "Save the world from total destruction" ones? Presper’s motivation was literally the same as the Enclave. The Mojave conflict is infinitely more interesting, and even then Presper was done way better as Ulysses and Elijah.
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January 7, 2021 at 1:02 pm #52220
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GuestNew Vegas offered way more interesting science fiction than Van Buren did with The Sierra Madre, Big Empty, Vault 22, Vault 11, The Securitrons, Mr. House,
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January 7, 2021 at 1:19 pm #52221
Anonymous
GuestA lot of this stuff was DLC related which disconnect it from the Fallout world, instead turning these into "look a fun story", then the rest was were references to the older games.
The only things that really comes to my mind when it comes to sci-fi in NV were the Ghoul Astronauts, (which were a bit overdone) and the Great Mr.House and his army of Robots
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January 7, 2021 at 1:22 pm #52222
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GuestSpeak for yourself. I thought the DLCs were well connected to the base game.
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January 7, 2021 at 3:49 pm #52225
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GuestThe gently caress are you talking about? Shit like space lasers and shit isn’t sci-fi to you?
Did you even play the gently caressing game?
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January 7, 2021 at 12:34 pm #52213
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Guestprobably not. it might have been better than the fallout 3 we got, but just hearing about the level of control interplay was exercising (mandating real time combat for example) bodes poorly for the end product. also the 3d looks like shit, even accounting for the unfinished state.
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January 7, 2021 at 5:38 pm #52230
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January 7, 2021 at 7:26 pm #52232
Anonymous
GuestHanged Man sounds fun to use
also a guy trying to recreate VB using the original designs
https://projectvanburen.com/-
January 8, 2021 at 1:42 am #52237
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January 8, 2021 at 2:24 am #52240
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GuestA lot of the ideas made its way to NV but packaged into a shitty FPSRPG engine.
I think that it would be cool to have a Prisoner and a Courier campaign with the other character becoming a "rival character" of the other.
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