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What are some other games that are in medias res too hermetic?
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Shin Megami Tensei and, by extension, the Persona series.
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I had to google "hermetic" to see if there was some other definition of the word I’m not aware of and apparently there isn’t so I have no idea what the fuck he’s talking about.
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Seriously guys…
He’s saying the game starts in the middle of the story and is difficult to understand
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What fucking dictionary is that?
Because hermetic does not mean the same as inaccessible, and never had. Not in common usage, or anywhere else.Hermetic knowledge means "related to occultist or mystical traditions within western philosophy". Not "hard to understand" or "inaccessible" or "exclusive". Hermetic knowledge sure is inaccesible to most but that does not mean it is just a general term for being inaccessible.
God damn these online dictionaries really are fucking garbage.
OP, whoever the fuck he is, is just using the term wrong, presumably because he first encountered on the same shitty on-line dictionary as posted.This is why you don’t treat dictionaries as authorities, kids.
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Oh, it’s the "each word has only one precise definition" fag again. You’ve never seen a dictionary in your life.
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>Oh, it’s the "each word has only one precise definition" fag again.
No, that is not what I’m saying. However, there are still semiotic domains and fields of relevance for each word, they are here because otherwise, the language will simply lose it’s functionality.If you use a word in a way that 99% of people will not understand, in a way that has no support in it’s past history, and that does not actually offer to expand it’s functionality or relevance: You are simply using the word wrong.
I do understand that you kids are afraid of this. The very notion that anyone could EVER actually tell you are you are doing something wrong is so fucking paralyzing to you, you would rather see the entire language lose any and all function than to ever face that possibility, but then again:
You are shit and nobody really gives a fuck about you. Especially not linguistics.-
It is a perfectly valid use of the word ‘hermetic’ and you shouldn’t assume that 99% of the English-speaking population shares your shortcomings, From your shaky grammar I have to assume that you’re not exactly an experienced English speaker, no offence intended. The OP isn’t about the correct use of the word; it’s just making fun of a very pretentiously phrased criticism.
>I do understand that you kids are afraid of this. The very notion that anyone could EVER actually tell you are you are doing something wrong is so fucking paralyzing to you, you would rather see the entire language lose any and all function than to ever face blah blah blah
Now you’ve just devolved into schizophrenic rambling. Are you playing a character or do you behave like this in real life?-
>It is a perfectly valid use of the word ‘hermetic
It’s literally not, and the thread itself illustrates this is. And yeah, I’m not native english speaker. But I also am a linguist by trade. Unlike you, I actually do have basic understanding of what meaning is, how it is established and maintained in languages.>Now you’ve just devolved into schizophrenic rambling.
Funny that you talk about shortcomings of understanding language when such a basic statement confuses you this much.>It’s not a common phrase and has literally never been
It really fucking is. It’s very, VERY basic part of medial terminology. How much fucking isolated are you? Have you NEVER read a movie review, or any form of theoretical look at storytelling what so ever? This is basic highschool terminology, unless you literally went working the fucking coal mine after elementary, you should know this term.-
>It really fucking is
lmao the first time this image circulated and everyone googled it and pretended they knew it their whole lives I asked all my filmmaker friends if they knew what it meant and out of 20 people not a single one knew what the fuck I was talking about.-
>lmao the first time this image circulated
Yeah, I believe that.
But that does not mean this is the first time people encountered the term "in media res" for fuck sake.
Again, how fucking disconnected from reality are you?The fuck are you even trying to say, kid?
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>Yes I believe that
So you’re telling me in the one month that Deathloop has been out, everyone on the planet learned what "in media res" means? Like are you completely fucked or are you just unable to read? Like I can’t tell if you understood my post and are just severely schizophrenic or you have no idea what you’re even saying anymore. -
>So you’re telling me in the one month that Deathloop has been out, everyone on the planet learned what "in media res" means?
What?
What the FUCK are you talking about?In media res is a term used in basic public level media theory (meaning any form of movie, book or game reviews, among many other) for well over a century now, and in more academic circles since literally the first century A.D.
Deathloop has nothing to do with this, what the fuck are you talking about?
In media fucking res is just a completely normal, common fucking term among anyone who is even basically literate, you idiot.
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Can you please try reading literally any part of the conversation you’re a part of before you try to reply to it? I mean that’s not generally something I have to tell someone about their own conversation but you’re a special kind of retarded. Even maybe just read like, at least one other post in the thread so you know what it’s about? I don’t want to exhaust you, obviously.
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If you are refering to the fact that you allegedly asked your film-making friends and they totally never heard of this term:
Did you SERIOUSLY FUCKING THOUGHT ANYONE BELIEVES YOU?
Are you three? The fuck?
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Did I seriously thought what now? Can ESLs please fuck off?
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>guy literally has no idea what is happening in the thread
>spergs out and just decides to define the phrase the other guy already knows
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He’s just a retarded, illiterate zoomer, anon. Schools in the US have actually removed literacy requirements for highschoolers because it "causes disparate outcomes."
Everybody else learned about in medias res as part of required curriculum when we read A Midsummer Night’s Dream in highschool.
Your filmmaker friends and you are fucking stupid and illiterate.
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Where are you from? I’m not American and we definitely didn’t learn that in high school. I mean obviously the average person doesn’t need to be taught that a story can start in the middle, but most people just refer to it as "starting in the middle".
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North west USA
Did you read Midsummer Night’s Dream?
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No, we read plenty of other shakespeare though. It’s weird to me that you don’t realize different places have different curricula.
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He’s American so how could he think people around the world have their own ways other than his.
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I think he might also genuinely think Midsummer Night’s Dream is the only shakespeare work because I also thought it was weird that he specified that one when schools generally teach a wide range of shakespeare and there are like 30 plays or something he did. Just a weird glimpse into the Northwest American mind.
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That you’re supremely retarded. I was under the impression that you’re slowly starting to understand that yourself, alas, I was wrong and you continue to "thrive" in your ignorance.
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>That you’re supremely retarded.
You do realize that this has to be at least VAGUELLY based on some kind of point or argument to have any relevance, right?Yeah, I made you angry, you are insecure and need to compensate that sudden surge of emotions by insulting me. I’d assume even you would have figured out that is not going to get you anywhere unless you can make anything even remotely similar to an actual point. You know, somehow put together a justification of your hillarious little tantrum.
But then again, clearly assuming any kind of basic self-awareness or mental capacity all together was my biggest mistake so far.
So let me make it easy for you:
What part of what I said is making you shit your pants with with impotent anger? Try to be precise, actually refer to something I had actually said, and what about it made you piuss yourself.
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Real autism speaking right here. Textbook.
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>Real autism speaking right here. Textbook.
Thank you for proving that you can’t do what I asked of you.Do you really not realize how fucking sad this is? Do you seriously not realize how poorly this reflects on you?
You have posted 5+ posts of mental breakdown and screeching and you literally cannot say what is it that made you angry.
You do not really realize there are people around you at this point, do you?
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Continued reddit spacing, an entitled retard making demands of people who don’t give a shit about him. Full autist for sure.
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>Thank you for proving you can’t do what I asked of you
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>damn almost like you are completely worthless here and no one gives a shit about what you "asked of them" lmao
Kid, you know what is funny.
You did not know what the phrase "in media res" means. And while that is kinda silly, given how hugely common it is in pretty much any media-related discussions, it’s also not a big deal.
Everyone has blindspots. And some people just don’t read theory on media what so ever, and while that is not exactly healthy, it is fair and fine as long as they do have SOME interests in their life.But you have somehow turned this simple admission of a minor personal ignorance into an 25+ meltdown.
The fact that somebody points out that knowing these words is quite normal drives you into 25+ posts of nothing but you screeching at the top of your lungs how much you hate someone… that is the part that actually DOES make you an insanely shit person.Just keep this in mind. Nobody would have judged you for your lack of basic common vocabulary knowledge.
This kind of mental breakdown, however, is why you are as worthless as you actually fear you might be.
In fact, it’s even worse.>hermetic doesn’t mean inaccessible
i fucking hate this place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism_(poetry)You could at least read the fucking article you posted, kid. Jesus.
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Why do you keep responding to people like it’s the same guy, this is the second time you have done this to me lmao
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Kid
Hey kid
Kid!
Listen to me, kid
Are you reading my posts, kid?
Call me, kid…
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>needs to autistically respond to every single person calling him a retard
>GOD I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS HAS GONE ON FOR 25+ POSTS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
this is honestly the funniest dude on Ganker right now -
Why is this guy making you write essays about how mad you are? Everyone thinks your retarded, just move on.
inb4 >*you’re
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I really wish Ganker had a system like tripcodes where if you make a retarded enough post your ip gets blacklisted with a little icon and people just know not to bother replying to you.
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Kid, I guess you have heard of reddit already, but then again I guess that place is too intimidating for you, that is why you bother us here.
That said, please read and respond to this:
Yeah, I made you angry, you are insecure and need to compensate that sudden surge of emotions by insulting me. I’d assume even you would have figured out that is not going to get you anywhere unless you can make anything even remotely similar to an actual point. You know, somehow put together a justification of your hillarious little tantrum.
But then again, clearly assuming any kind of basic self-awareness or mental capacity all together was my biggest mistake so far.
So let me make it easy for you:
What part of what I said is making you shit your pants with with impotent anger? Try to be precise, actually refer to something I had actually said, and what about it made you piuss yourself.
Can you answer that question?Telling us how insecure you are is not enough. It actually just makes you look pretty pathetic? Is that what you have been after this whole point?
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Of course this is the type of retard that turns regular sentences into questions? With that insanely autistic way of talking?
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sounds like you want to browse reddit,
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They taught me what in media res what in high school AP english lol Film is a meme major
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Based anon who’s actually right about everything.
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>It really fucking is. It’s very, VERY basic part of medial terminology. How much fucking isolated are you? Have you NEVER read a movie review, or any form of theoretical look at storytelling what so ever? This is basic highschool terminology, unless you literally went working the fucking coal mine after elementary, you should know this term.
People don’t read, nearly at all anymore. That’s the whole problem. Anon apparently can’t even read a dictionary at this point.
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you’re some kind of advanced retard ain’t ya? The kind that’s slowly discovering the limits of your understanding and scope.
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You can’t accept that you were wrong and uninformed? Lol.
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>hermetic doesn’t mean inaccessible
i fucking hate this place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism_(poetry)-
>poetry
We’re talking about video games, midwit.-
same concept can be applied to different medias you retard. the in media res thing itself originates from literature
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>retarded dimwit cant tell the difference between poems and games
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>retard can’t read a dictionary
Kek
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Language is ever evolving
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>Language is ever evolving
Yes, but that does not mean you get away with saying any bullshit you want. Evolution of language is not an excuse for you misusing it. You fuckers REALLY need to fucking get this through your skulls, because I see this absolute stupidity very often around this place. -
>I used a word in the wrong context because I’m an idiot and probably not even a native speaker?
>That’s fine, I’ll just get everyone else to say it. Then I will be retroactively in the right-
>That’s fine, I’ll just get everyone else to say it. T
Actually, that IS how language change, or "evolution" does work. If you can get enough people to use it the way you use it, it WILL become actually the correct meaning.But of course, that rarely happens, actually actively initiating such a massive shift in usage, which has to affect both laik and academic public, is incredibly hard and rare to happen.
The real proble (and the nature of this case) is that people tend to use the word in a way that nobody else understands it (and will continue not using it that way), then declaring it’s fine because "language change means there is no REAL wrong use."
It’s like the people trying to argue that the word "liminal" now means "uncanny" or "empty" because of some shitty reddit creepypastas has and how that is totally true because "language changes", ignoring the fact that they are an incredibly insignificant minority that nobody else pays attention, and that has zero relevance or influence on broad public, much less academia.
"Language changes" became a cheap excuse how to get out of being called out on simple language misuse.
But, if you really CAN get majority of the speakers to actually change the use, then that is fine, that is the language change working as it should be.
It’s just that this really isn’t that case.
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>Because hermetic does not mean the same as inaccessible, and never had. Not in common usage, or anywhere else.
Hermetically sealed is a fucking marketing term, fuck off child.
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Why didn’t he just say that then
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I don’t really get what he means still since isn’t that like THE point? Colt has no memory about why he’s stuck in a time loop and he, and the player, have to slowly figure out everything? What exactly is he upset about?
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>What exactly is he upset about?
Well, as mentioned somewhere above, in medias res opening can be done right, but it can also be done poorly. When done right, it immediately raises the intrigue and tension from the start, making sure you don’t get bored before the more exciting moments come, while also encouraging curiosity and investment, making you WANT to know what is going on.But if it’s done poorly, it may just make you feel overwhelmed, frustrated, patronized or straight up disinterested.
I think his point is that Deathloop does it poorly, not that it is wrong to start in medias res to begin with.-
It’s funny that the best we can do is "think his point" is something because he didn’t actually articulate anything.
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>It’s funny that the best we can do is "think his point"
Well, yeah. But that itself isn’t unusual. It’s how communication works – we always do have to do fill in a lot of the gaps and just try to mine out meaning from what others say, to me that is just completely normal and natural part of the process of communication.
Also, it’s a fucking twitter post. Ideally, we should really all finally admit that twitter is NOT actually communication. It’s just a fucking media based equivalent of what cancer is to life – an entirely sick, fucked up and inherently harmful shitfest that unfortunately does have to accompany our life / technological development.But I did wonder for a while, when I saw A) how much he misunderstands the meaning of word hermetic, and B) how many people nowdays seem to be baffled by the concept of "in media res", if he maybe isn’t actually using even that term wrong.
There is a part of me that wonders if he actually does not think of something ENTIRELY different.
But… you know. Grice and charity. It’s better to assume he has a point and that he did get as close to formulating as he could.-
>Well, yeah. But that itself isn’t unusual. It’s how communication works – we always do have to do fill in a lot of the gaps and just try to mine out meaning from what others say, to me that is just completely normal and natural part of the process of communication.
Christ, trying to talk about a video game shouldn’t devolve into some bullshit where we have to outline Gricean maxims and semiotics. The guy should have just used plain and effective language.
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>Christ, trying to talk about a video game shouldn’t devolve into some bullshit where we have to outline Gricean maxims and semiotics.
I consider this elevation, not devolution. But then again for obvious reasons, I may be biased on this.
Also, isn’t this whole thread about someone saying something nobody can properly understand? I’d say basic theory of communication is very much unavoidable in this scenario.>No you fucking retard I’m saying the liberal art known as "history" is studied better than it’s ever been studied before
OK, I misunderstood you there, sorry. Though I would point out that our current state of history theory is just as riddled with holes as it was in the past. The sole actual major improvement is that we are more aware of these holes and open to admit their existence, rather than being blissfully ignorant, which I guess is a big improvement on paper. But then again it also has become a massive excuse to just excuse sloppy work and turn deliberate manipulation into acceptable strategy because "it’s fine as long as we pretend to be transparent about it". Which in the end unfortunately ends up being as crappy as the past undisclosed manipulations were.Otherwise, while I think history is one of the more stable and less fucked up part of social theory, I would still say it follows "two steps forward, two steps back, and occasionally shoot a random bypasser in the leg" philosophy most of social and liberal studies have been following.
Then again, I don’t necessary want to say all academic disciplines are supposed to be always going through a straight, linear objective improvement process. That would be unrealistically optimistic to expect.
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what the fuck does that even mean english faggots? explain yourself, it’s driving me mad
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It’s latin and means that it throws you right into the story and you have to try and understand it by discovering stuff and not be forcefed it on a silver platter.
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Isn’t that literally the entire premise of the game?
Why would you list that as a con? That’d be like saying Mario jumping on platforms is bad.-
Bear in mind he also listed bootleg Bioshock as a pro, so he may just be a fucking idiot overall.
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The appeal of media res is in it’s ability to immediate engage the audience while alleviating the need for tedious exposition. But like any type of tool, it can be done poorly – throw the audience into the final 3rd of a normal plot and they’ll spend more time trying to adjust rather than getting engaged with the characters. The risk is even higher if it’s a jargon filled narrative – look at how many people loathe the start of FF13.
For a game based around repetitive story telling, it sounds like wouldn’t be an issue. And you still have to be a colossal faggot to call it "too hermetic"
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Like someone else mentioned it means to begin a story in the midst of the action and plot. "Hermetic" means like, sealed off. So I THINK, I’m not sure because he phrased it like a pretentious retard, but I think he was trying to say "The beginning in the thick of it is too tight (sealed). I felt like I was beginning in the thick of things but then the game restricted my actions so much that this felt pointless." I really can’t be sure though, it’s such a twat thing to say.
I think he means "tight and closed off" as in you begin in the thick of things but the game restricts your actions so much it doesn’t feel that way/it feels pointless.
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It’s not ‘sealed off’. It’s like esoteric, hard to understand, obscure. What the guy meant was that he felt being thrown into a lot of shit all at once because it was in media res.
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In a mechanical context "hermetic" is used to mean "sealed off". Like a hermetic seal. That’s probably not the usage he meant but it’s a valid one.
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In media res is by nature "hermetic".
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shut the fuck up and go back to your slum, you stupid ESL faggot
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it starts in the middle of things and you can’t leave leading to a sterile experience
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It insists upon itself Lois
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Jesus, I knew Ganker wasn’t exactly the brightest of the boards but you can’t even understand basic academic words?
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I’m learning how to repair industrial boilers, internal combustion engines, diesel generators, and other shit that basically makes the world function. Not pointless retarded shit for limpwristed slackjawed faggots to whine about while having a frappuccino in their fake ass office that generates fake "jobs" which surmount to nothing more than whining about the lack of transsexual benderqueer otherkin representation in children’s cartoons.
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unfathomly based.
all these Twitter subhumans need to be lined up against a wall.in medias res isn’t even English, you rambling tryhard. you should be skinned and culled like a dog in China you Angloid shitbirth. English is the language of whores and sons of whores. that’s why the entire world speaks it. literally cumdumpster cheap ass prostitute tier low iq language.
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Imagine needing to put down other people just because you feel bad about not knowing a word they use
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>Imagine needing to put down other people
You mean like pooping on someone who didn’t pick up some utterly useless faggot lingo trivia from some queer leftist uni? Yeah, I can only imagine.-
No, I mean like pooping on an entire group of people because someone unrelated to them called you a dense faggot lmao
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>liberal arts faggots
>people
lmao
If all the engineers died overnight, humanity would face catastrophe that would put the species on the brink of extinction.
If all the journalists, bloggers, sociologists and other scum died overnight, humanity would only be better off for it.These lowly trash are not "people". They’re scum-sucking parasites.
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>These lowly trash are not "people". They’re scum-sucking parasites.
Yeah, we can all see you are not insecure as fuck about your own relevance to this world. At all.-
being relevant to this piss earth is a pejorative
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>being relevant to this piss earth is a pejorative
You don’t even realize the hillarious contradiction to the post you made few minutes ago.I’m sure you are a fucking fountain of wisdom and we should all really care to what you are saying. Your opinions are really interesting and useful to all of us.
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>If all the journalists, bloggers, sociologists and other scum died overnight, humanity would only be better off for it.
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>these people are active and important, in the worst of ways
There is a MASSIVE, MAJOR problem with conteporary social and liberal studies for sure, and yes, they can actually become an active harm to the society.
But I don’t think that is what he is saying, or even something he genuinely understands. He is literally just screeching out bile and insecurity like a broken child, not realizing he himself is a very good illustration of the actual impact these fields can have in the first place.Someone who cannot remain coherent or consistent across two posts in a row generally isn’t worth listening to. Even if he happens to say something half-true at one point, it’s out of sheer random chance, a broken watch scenario.
This poor kid sure as fuck does not have the capacity to begin understanding what is and isn’t important or dangerous to the society itself.
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ok fair
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I study history and I wouldn’t say there’s any problem with it, in fact it’s way better than it’s ever been before at any point in, uh, history.
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>I study history and I wouldn’t say there’s any problem with it,
Are you kidding me? We have not learned a SINGLE lesson from the events of the last century, our social paradigms are currently EXACTLY as fucked as they were in the first decades of 20th century. I’m not saying this is the worst state of social paradigms ever to happen in human history, but it sure as fuck is very close to what it was very shortly before the worst times of our modern history. -
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No you fucking retard I’m saying the liberal art known as "history" is studied better than it’s ever been studied before
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Why are you doing it again when I just told you it’s embarrassing
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You tight lil nigga
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I refuse to learn garbage latin phrases that are in latin without any good reason
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>I refuse to learn garbage latin phrases that are in latin without any good reason
nobody tell him about coup d’etats, schadenfreude, kowtowing, and bungalows-
coup d’etat, classic latin
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yes the latin phrase schadenfreude. how could anyone forget their LATIN.
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Schadenfreude actually comes from Finnish, means to laugh at the joys of life. Nice latins there. Midwits.
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How is nobody understanding that none of your examples are Latin so obviously you’re just talking about loan words in general
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I don’t think anyone is having trouble understanding that. How are you having trouble understanding that out of all of those languages, Latin is the one no one on the planet actually speaks outside of retarded loan words? Extra points for English descending from Latin and still being obnoxious enough to use latin phrases for literally no reason. It’s pure pretense.
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>It’s pure pretense.
How fucking insecure are you, really?
Yeah. Simple reality of language and cultural history is PRETENSE.Kid, the reality does not give a fuck about you. The fact that it makes you feel insecure is your problem, and does not necessarily mean it was deliberately made to make you feel insecure.
Just learn to make peace with the fact that world has it’s own logic that does not care about you one way or another. it’s not pretense, it’s just the fact that not everything in the world will be specifically set up to make sense to you.
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Are you that guy that keeps replying to everyone, I’m glad I got the opportunity to make you mad about something too
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>I’m glad I got the opportunity to make you mad about something too
You are the one who claims that something he does not like must be a PRETENSE. You are making only yourself mad. On the rare occassion someone like me is generous enough to give you some attention, they are not doing it because they are mad.
We just pitty you.
I know it’s a difficult distinction for you to make, but trust me, it’s a significant one.-
Keep going
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Have you nothing better to do?
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Yes, a lot of it was originally founded in pretention, but it’s too late now and it’s just a basic part of our language. In medias res is a totally normal technical phrase, it’s "hermetic" which was unusual.
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Because the point of discussion here isn’t to understand what others are saying, but to find reasons to fight them.
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You probably use some and don’t even realize it because you are an uneducated tard.
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I understand in medias res and hermetic, but what the fuck is that supposed to mean put together? The story starts in the middle of things, and it is too sealed in to that framing? This word choice wreaks of midwit that just found some new words that he wants to smash together.
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No but ESLs are having trouble literally understanding the meaning of the individual parts of that phrase. What we cannot figure out is why he added the fucking word "hermetic". I googled "en media res hermetic" literally no results because it’s not a real phrase and doesn’t fucking mean anything. This dude’s just a fag trying to sound smart and so are you.
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I’m an ESL and I understood it
I mean what he’s trying to say is still unclear but I don’t think he has any idea either-
>I understood it
>except i didn’t
Stunning
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He wanted to say hectic but he’s a low IQ retard so he used the wrong word, mystery solved
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hermetic is literally the correct word you dimwit
>hermetic doesn’t mean inaccessible
i fucking hate this place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism_(poetry)-
Literally not even remotely applicable, I can tell you’re the same guy who posted the article because no one else would be dumb enough to think it relates in any way.
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Angloid idiocy at its finest. Those "difficult academic words" are almost exactly the same in every language precisely because they’re rarely used and haven’t morphed much from their Latin/Greek roots.
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It’s video games and video game reviews. Who the fuck is using academic words?
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>Who the fuck is using academic words?
Failed academics
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I can only assume they meant frenetic
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The one smart post here.
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> bootleg bioshock [this is good]
>awful character control
ok what the fuck is this dumbass on about -
Mirror’s Edge Catalyst
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Just say "The middle of the story gets too confusing" you douche. Who do you think you’re impressing?
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>Just say "The middle of the story gets too confusing" you douche.
Wait.
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It’s not a common phrase and has literally never been. I’m more baffled that you can’t believe he doesn’t know what it means honestly. Although it couldn’t be… you’re not just being overtly pretentious are you? Because that sure would be fucking retarded.
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Nobody does, that’s the point.
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SILENCE
YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING NOBODY
RESPECT OUR COMMON ROMAN HERITAGE INSTEAD OF PROMOTING YOUR FAGGOT REVISIONISM -
>The middle of the story gets too confusing"
That’s not at all what he means lol
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FF13 – you see cutscenes showing the 13 days that lead up to this
FF15 – the movie is happening the moment the game beginsboth throw you into a story that is already happening
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i didn’t like deathloop
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>in medias res too hermetic -
The funniest thing is, I understand his point and can’t think of a better way to name it
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>story is shit at first
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I can’t think of anything I hate more than people trying to act smart by throwing around random terms.
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The fuck is "lack of discipline" in a fucking game?
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Probably a question of focus, throwing in everything you can think of instead of refining the parts that work.
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Amateurish mistakes in a AAA product
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it means he’s racist and wants to enslave the protagonists
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>it’s a Ganker tries to act intelligent episode
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Notice that the only comment on gameplay is under Bad.
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Everyone itt knows what "in medias res" means
Everyone itt knows what "Hermetic" means
Now can anyone explain how "in medias res" can be "hermetic" in excess?-
here’s an example with metroid dread. how are you even supposed to know what’s going on?
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>speeding up the text
>hurrr what is going onit’s his fault
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it’s david jaffe, and yes it’s his fault however he quickly got stuck early in the game because he didn’t know where to go or what to do, rage quit, and then blamed it on the game design.
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oh and he skipped through a game over sequence and quit without saving losing a bunch of progress after he tried "starting over" to prove the game has bad design and it wasn’t just him being a retard.
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Wow, and to think he used to make games.
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Didn’t this guy just make an entire game of cutscenes? Like what the fuck is going on, is he off his meds or something
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He’s the creator of the original, shitty God of War games, not the new, somehow even shittier God of War games.
He’s basically irrelevant now and his career is over so he’s just an annoying online "opinions guy".
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Yeah, this is definitely in medias a bit too hermentic. Pretty insightful insight, but might be a diamond dozen in this doggy dog world.
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I hope Jaffe becomes the new DSP. This shit is hilarious.
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Fucking piece of shit.
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What does in media res means
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>What does in media res means
"In media res" is a form of literary device, more specifically one of the possible ways to open up your story. It basically means that you do not start the story with exposition and introductions, but rather throw the audience right into action, "in the middle of things" which is what it literally translates to.So for an example, Hobbit, which starts with like 15 pages of explaining what the fuck is a Hobbit, then with 40 pages introducing who dwarves and wizards are, and what will be the logic behind the upcoming adventure, is not an "in media res" opening.
That fucking Prototype game which starts with the protagonist equipped with late-game skills murdering his way through thousands of people and monsters, while we don’t even know who the main protagonist is, or what is going on: that is an extreme example of in media res opening.
In media res tends to be more immediately exciting, but risk also being potentially confusing as it gives you the exciting parts sooner, but postpones making sense of or being clear.If you mishandle a in-media-res opening, the audience can become annoyied, as the story treats events as if they are supposed to make sense, but does not give you the tools to actually make sense of them.
Which I think is what the twitter post in OP was trying to say – that Deathloop kinda fucked up the ballance between building intrigue, quickly delivering you to the "cool" bits, and making the story still comprehensible and legible enough to be interesting.
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Thanks anon, so using it as the twitter fag is just pseudo intellectual babble with no meaning at all.
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>Thanks anon, so using it as the twitter fag is just pseudo intellectual babble with no meaning at all.
Well, first of all, you don’t normall just say "in media res is _something_", that is one hell of an awkward wording, but that might be just result of the idiotic twitter message contraint itself.It’s still fairly clear he wants to talk about how the game does start by explaining very little to you, instead throwing you right into the think of the action and let you learn the context later.
To call hermetic however, is just fucking wrong. It’s like saying Superman is a homophony to Jesus Christ. You can sorta kinda see what he was trying to say, but he just chose the wrong word there.
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you clearly don’t know all meanings of the word hermetic
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I asked for an explanation of how an "in medias res" story can be "too hermetic", and all you can offer is
>you clearly don’t know all meanings of the word hermetic
stunning. brave.-
Well it’s fucking obvious dude if you know the meaning of the words. Dunno what else to tell you other than use a dictionary.
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>Well it’s fucking obvious dude if you know the meaning of the words.
then why can’t you explain it? surely you aren’t… [merely pretending]?-
[spoiler]As mentioned several times, hermetic may refer to one of two things:
1) a physical properties of a container – the fact that it does not allow for any circulation of gasses between it’s interior and exterior (as in the term "hermetic seal"), or
2) relating to a tradition of mystic and later occult beliefs within the western intellectual history, most notably associated with a semi-mythical figure of one Hermes Tris-Megistur. A secondary meaning derived from this one is a more general implication of ANY highly esoteric, mysterious and thus exclusive forms of knowledge, belief or nature of thereoff. [/spoiler]There. It really isn’t that hard.
"the story beginning in the middle is too difficult to understand"
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>Dunno what else to tell you other than use a dictionary.
Actually, you could tell him the meaning of the word. The only reason why you would avoid doing so is because you don’t really know it yourself, and are aware of the fact that if you had, you’d likely be subjected to a lot of riddicule.[spoiler]As mentioned several times, hermetic may refer to one of two things:
1) a physical properties of a container – the fact that it does not allow for any circulation of gasses between it’s interior and exterior (as in the term "hermetic seal"), or
2) relating to a tradition of mystic and later occult beliefs within the western intellectual history, most notably associated with a semi-mythical figure of one Hermes Tris-Megistur. A secondary meaning derived from this one is a more general implication of ANY highly esoteric, mysterious and thus exclusive forms of knowledge, belief or nature of thereoff. [/spoiler]There. It really isn’t that hard.
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>hurr gun in the right hand, power in the left therefore bootleg bioshock
>im so full of unique opinions and thoughts -
>good
>bootleg
What? This guy has no idea how to write. -
It’s code for
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>hmm if I say the story was to difficult to understand I’ll be mocked
>I know what to do
why do they try so hard to act like they’re reviewing the most exquisite piece of art or literature when they write like this about a videogame? they’re not going to fool anyone. -
This dude reviews fucking kids toys for a living, who is he kidding with this flowery language?
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>flowery language
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No he doesn’t, you absolute mouth breather
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I hate pseuds so much it’s unreal.
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We’re still talking about this garbage pozzed turd? Why is Ganker obsessed with melanoidgames? It failed, move on y’all.
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Faggots like this clown who uses words no one else does to sound smart are usually fucking retards
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>Faggots like this clown who uses words no one else does to sound smart
He is not using therms no one else does.
He uses terms that are pretty basic and commonly used.
He is using them wrong however, and that really is the whole problem here.-
When’s the last time you heard anyone use that term in any way besides your fucking history teacher in highschool.
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>When’s the last time you heard anyone use that term in any way besides your fucking history teacher in highschool.
Which one? In media res? Because I pretty much do hear that term on daily basis. But even if I filter out the fact that I work in academia and with narrative theory among other things: that shit is used in every other basic review and article that in some way reflects movies, books or other narrative media.Again. It REALLY is a very common term.
As for the use of the term hermetic, sure, that is more limited. But it’s not because the term itself is particularly obscure or unknown, it’s just that it really only does have utility in a rather narrow selection of fields. It’s term with meaning for history, philosophy, and to a lesser degree fields like sociology, literary history, or religious studies.
You will come across is quite commonly if you have even remote interest in any of those fields, but pretty much always only in context of those fields.It’s just that this guy, again, used it wrong here.
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Why would it be used in every other basic review or article? Are you trying to say that at least 50% of all stories start in the middle? It sure sounds like a load of bullshit to me but hey I don’t go on the internet and make a bunch of shit up so maybe you did a good job, I’m not the expert.
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>Why would it be used in every other basic review or article? Are you trying to say that at least 50% of all stories start in the middle
Actually, in media res has became somewhat of a default narrative opening in the last 50 years, especially in popular media. And it is INSANELY popular in gaming in particular. Remember the time every fucking game had to start with that annoying "ability-tease" flash forward bullshit?
So yeah, in medias res IS actually more of a default opening than the other one.So it’s a very common tool, and a very common term, that is my point.
It also does not really have a commonly used opposition, which heightens it’s use.In media res is supposed to be a binary opposition to "ab ovo", but that term never caught up in public use, so it’s really just "nothing/normal" vs. "in media res" opposition, and that makes things awkward. So it’s really not uncommon for people to actually say "the story does not begin in media res" instead of saying "the story does begin ab ovo / normally" – not just because in medias res is so popular, but because we really don’t have a near term for it’s opposition.
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Fuck off Adrian
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You are talking so far out of your ass you’ve become all hole, no man.
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His post was easy to follow. Lurk more and grind your reading comprehension.
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The implication wasn’t that it was hard to follow, if that’s where your mind went first I think you’re the problem here.
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>You are talking so far out of your ass you’ve become all hole, no man.
You are still on this thing, kid?
Yeah, we established you are incredibly insecure.
An hour ago.You really are not achieving much just desperately repeating it over and over.
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You must be batting like 0.1% in terms of actually replying to the right person at this point. You’re so upset over it you’re bringing it up to everyone. Sorry that guy fucked your life up or whatever but I don’t really care.
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>Sorry that guy fucked your life up or whatever but I don’t really care.
Sure, I can see that. Your endless desperate screeching and anger really shows me how above this you are.You have been doing nothing but saying "I HATE YOU SHUT UP FUCK YOU NO STOP I HATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING" for hours and hours on now. Nothing proves how much you don’t care quite as much as constant screeching and angry noises – that is an embodiment of being above things alright.
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okay
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There is no need to specify that someone begins at the beginning you fucking retard
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>There is no need to specify that someone begins at the beginning you fucking retard
Well, as you can see, there kinda is.
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>He is not using therms no one else does.
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Nobody uses that term, but he used it correctly. Read a dictionary.
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A lot of pseuds do this, but it’s no excuse to keep repeating yourself when a single term would suffice.
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Hermetic you say?
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based Hermete
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basically your shits all retarded and you talk like a fag
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The talos principle. I loved it though
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Damn, this schizo spamming "kid" everywhere got BTFO by the dictionary.
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why is /vee/ filled with retards arguing about meaningless shit and things they hate instead of talking about/playing fucking video games? What a generation of retarded woman-like weak "men".
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Because everyone here knows absolutely fuck all about video games, I’d have a better conversation talking about video games to a wall.
also talking about video games instead of playing them is fucking retarded anyway, it’s a children’s toy adults play with, not much to say of value.
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You can talk about the gameplay or the lore, it’s interesting.
>it’s a children’s toy adults play with, not much to say of value.
dumb washed out "doomer" mindset, there’s still good video games worth exploring and experiencing, look at the outer wilds.-
I didn’t say they aren’t good. I love outer wilds, I just have no desire to talk about it with a bunch of retards that never leave the house. The only value this place has is shitposting.
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The outer wilds threads were the best on Ganker, people were even kind enough to use spoilers all the time for newcomers. It was way above the usual garbage you see on Ganker.
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I saw them, and like yeah they were civil and pleasant but it’s not like anyone had anything worthwhile to say on the subject.
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Ganker has been full of new normalfags who obsess over coming to a video game forum and acting superior while trying to insult others for playing video games. The childish behavior everywhere is so tiresome.
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>Bootleg Bioshock
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so what about the gameplay
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>Bioshock was the first game like it
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Throwing out random latin just makes it harder to understand someone. You look like the weebs using japanese words in a middle of a sentence.
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I found the in media res quite shallow and pedantic
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>in medias res too hermetic
He’s an ESL, what’d you expect?-
Exactly this, he probably saw hermetic being used to mean arcane and esoteric once and didn’t realise how unusual that meaning is.
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>Exactly this, he probably saw hermetic being used to mean arcane and esoteric once
I’m pretty sure he thinks hermetic means "inaccessible", meaning he likely isn’t aware of it’s original meaning to begin with.
Also, being ESL actually does not matter here at all. The term is used the same way in just about every western language – from Czech to Irish, as it’s a latin, derived from a proper name and refering originally to a specific historical schools of thinking.-
>I’m pretty sure he thinks hermetic means "inaccessible"
it literally does mean that>relating to or characterized by subjects that are mysterious and difficult to understand
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hermetic-
>it literally does mean that
It literally does not.
Not even in the irrelevant on-line version of Merriam-Webster you quote. Much less in actual reality.
The meaning of the word Hermetic is related to the idea of inaccessibility, but that does not mean it’s the same thing.-
Something that is difficult to understand can be said to be inaccessible.
Either way due in OP wasn’t saying it’s inaccessible obviously, not sure where you got that from.
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>Something that is difficult to understand can be said to be inaccessible.
Yes.
But hermetic does not mean "difficult to understand".
It means a particular mystical view of the world, just so happens to also be very difficult to understand.Homophony refers to some form of similarity, but you can’t claim that everything that is similar can be called "homophonic".
Hermetism refers to some form of difficult-to-understand views, but you can’t claim that everything that is hard to understand is hermetic.>Either way due in OP wasn’t saying it’s inaccessible obviously
The fuck did you think he was trying to say?-
>But hermetic does not mean "difficult to understand"
Literally what it says in the dictionary, end of discussion.>The fuck did you think he was trying to say?
What the word means.-
>Literally what it says in the dictionary, end of discussion.
You really are three years old, aren’t you? I would ask if you know whaat the problem of prescriptivity vs. illustrativity of dictionary is all about, but we all already know the answer to that, don’t we?>What the word means.
Which you don’t know.-
"relating to or characterized by subjects that are mysterious and difficult to understand : relating to or characterized by occultism or abstruseness"
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What dictionary is that in? I couldn’t find any equivalent sense in the Oxford dictionary.
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Merriam webster
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It doesn’t matter where the term derives from or what it meant oeiginally. Different languages and cultures canorph a loanword in many different ways. Just see the difference in how "pederast" is used in Russian/eastern euro countries vs its usage in anglo countries.
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>Different languages and cultures canorph a loanword in many different ways.
While that is true, it’s not true in this particular case.
Also, I can’t speak for Russian, but I’m an east european slav, and I can tell you the word pedarast in my language, as well as in the three neighbouring slav-speaking countries, is the same as in English, both of them adopting it without major shift of meaning from early Christian, latin reference that we all share.
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>in medias res too hermetic
What a fucking moron. Thats the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of starting in media res. You set up a bunch of mysteries and questions about how shit got to this point and then proceed to answer them throughout the story. -
This thread reminds me of when Laidlaw posted the HL3 plot and suddenly bakas were making posts, claiming that nobody on Ganker knew what a Dyson Sphere was until they saw that specific HL3 post.
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to be fair most people probably do not know what a dyson sphere is even though they have probably heard the term.
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OK, but how is its ludonarrative dissonance?
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>bioshockfag
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This is what activated almonds does to a mf
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I think that is a sure sign that a game insists upon itself
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boomer here
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>in medias res too hermetic -
>in medias res too hermetic
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Holy shit everyone in this thread is esl. Kys immediately
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pissed in mouth
on dick spinned language yours
condom fucking
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