What are some other games that are in medias res too hermetic?

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    • #468389
      Anonymous
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      What are some other games that are in medias res too hermetic?

    • #468394
      Anonymous
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      Shin Megami Tensei and, by extension, the Persona series.

    • #468396
      Anonymous
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      I had to google "hermetic" to see if there was some other definition of the word I’m not aware of and apparently there isn’t so I have no idea what the fuck he’s talking about.

      • #468429
        Anonymous
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        • #468431
          Anonymous
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          What fucking dictionary is that?
          Because hermetic does not mean the same as inaccessible, and never had. Not in common usage, or anywhere else.

          Hermetic knowledge means "related to occultist or mystical traditions within western philosophy". Not "hard to understand" or "inaccessible" or "exclusive". Hermetic knowledge sure is inaccesible to most but that does not mean it is just a general term for being inaccessible.
          God damn these online dictionaries really are fucking garbage.
          OP, whoever the fuck he is, is just using the term wrong, presumably because he first encountered on the same shitty on-line dictionary as posted.

          This is why you don’t treat dictionaries as authorities, kids.

          • #468433
            Anonymous
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            Oh, it’s the "each word has only one precise definition" fag again. You’ve never seen a dictionary in your life.

            • #468437
              Anonymous
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              >Oh, it’s the "each word has only one precise definition" fag again.
              No, that is not what I’m saying. However, there are still semiotic domains and fields of relevance for each word, they are here because otherwise, the language will simply lose it’s functionality.

              If you use a word in a way that 99% of people will not understand, in a way that has no support in it’s past history, and that does not actually offer to expand it’s functionality or relevance: You are simply using the word wrong.
              I do understand that you kids are afraid of this. The very notion that anyone could EVER actually tell you are you are doing something wrong is so fucking paralyzing to you, you would rather see the entire language lose any and all function than to ever face that possibility, but then again:
              You are shit and nobody really gives a fuck about you. Especially not linguistics.

              • #468442
                Anonymous
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                It is a perfectly valid use of the word ‘hermetic’ and you shouldn’t assume that 99% of the English-speaking population shares your shortcomings, From your shaky grammar I have to assume that you’re not exactly an experienced English speaker, no offence intended. The OP isn’t about the correct use of the word; it’s just making fun of a very pretentiously phrased criticism.
                >I do understand that you kids are afraid of this. The very notion that anyone could EVER actually tell you are you are doing something wrong is so fucking paralyzing to you, you would rather see the entire language lose any and all function than to ever face blah blah blah
                Now you’ve just devolved into schizophrenic rambling. Are you playing a character or do you behave like this in real life?

                • #468458
                  Anonymous
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                  >It is a perfectly valid use of the word ‘hermetic
                  It’s literally not, and the thread itself illustrates this is. And yeah, I’m not native english speaker. But I also am a linguist by trade. Unlike you, I actually do have basic understanding of what meaning is, how it is established and maintained in languages.

                  >Now you’ve just devolved into schizophrenic rambling.
                  Funny that you talk about shortcomings of understanding language when such a basic statement confuses you this much.

                  It’s not a common phrase and has literally never been. I’m more baffled that you can’t believe he doesn’t know what it means honestly. Although it couldn’t be… you’re not just being overtly pretentious are you? Because that sure would be fucking retarded.

                  >It’s not a common phrase and has literally never been
                  It really fucking is. It’s very, VERY basic part of medial terminology. How much fucking isolated are you? Have you NEVER read a movie review, or any form of theoretical look at storytelling what so ever? This is basic highschool terminology, unless you literally went working the fucking coal mine after elementary, you should know this term.

                  • #468462
                    Anonymous
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                    >It really fucking is
                    lmao the first time this image circulated and everyone googled it and pretended they knew it their whole lives I asked all my filmmaker friends if they knew what it meant and out of 20 people not a single one knew what the fuck I was talking about.

                    • #468466
                      Anonymous
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                      >lmao the first time this image circulated
                      Yeah, I believe that.
                      But that does not mean this is the first time people encountered the term "in media res" for fuck sake.
                      Again, how fucking disconnected from reality are you?

                      you’re some kind of advanced retard ain’t ya? The kind that’s slowly discovering the limits of your understanding and scope.

                      The fuck are you even trying to say, kid?

                      • #468468
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Yes I believe that
                        So you’re telling me in the one month that Deathloop has been out, everyone on the planet learned what "in media res" means? Like are you completely fucked or are you just unable to read? Like I can’t tell if you understood my post and are just severely schizophrenic or you have no idea what you’re even saying anymore.

                      • #468473
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >So you’re telling me in the one month that Deathloop has been out, everyone on the planet learned what "in media res" means?
                        What?
                        What the FUCK are you talking about?

                        In media res is a term used in basic public level media theory (meaning any form of movie, book or game reviews, among many other) for well over a century now, and in more academic circles since literally the first century A.D.

                        Deathloop has nothing to do with this, what the fuck are you talking about?

                        In media fucking res is just a completely normal, common fucking term among anyone who is even basically literate, you idiot.

                      • #468478
                        Anonymous
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                        Can you please try reading literally any part of the conversation you’re a part of before you try to reply to it? I mean that’s not generally something I have to tell someone about their own conversation but you’re a special kind of retarded. Even maybe just read like, at least one other post in the thread so you know what it’s about? I don’t want to exhaust you, obviously.

                      • #468488
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        If you are refering to the fact that you allegedly asked your film-making friends and they totally never heard of this term:

                        Did you SERIOUSLY FUCKING THOUGHT ANYONE BELIEVES YOU?

                        Are you three? The fuck?

                      • #468494
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Did I seriously thought what now? Can ESLs please fuck off?

                      • #468480
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >guy literally has no idea what is happening in the thread
                        >spergs out and just decides to define the phrase the other guy already knows
                        wat

                      • #468492
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        He’s just a retarded, illiterate zoomer, anon. Schools in the US have actually removed literacy requirements for highschoolers because it "causes disparate outcomes."

                        Everybody else learned about in medias res as part of required curriculum when we read A Midsummer Night’s Dream in highschool.

                        >It really fucking is
                        lmao the first time this image circulated and everyone googled it and pretended they knew it their whole lives I asked all my filmmaker friends if they knew what it meant and out of 20 people not a single one knew what the fuck I was talking about.

                        Your filmmaker friends and you are fucking stupid and illiterate.

                      • #468499
                        Anonymous
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                        Where are you from? I’m not American and we definitely didn’t learn that in high school. I mean obviously the average person doesn’t need to be taught that a story can start in the middle, but most people just refer to it as "starting in the middle".

                      • #468509
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        North west USA
                        Did you read Midsummer Night’s Dream?
                        They probably removed it from curriculum as a way to cater to low IQ groups.

                      • #468511
                        Anonymous
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                        No, we read plenty of other shakespeare though. It’s weird to me that you don’t realize different places have different curricula.

                      • #468556
                        Anonymous
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                        He’s American so how could he think people around the world have their own ways other than his.

                      • #468559
                        Anonymous
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                        I think he might also genuinely think Midsummer Night’s Dream is the only shakespeare work because I also thought it was weird that he specified that one when schools generally teach a wide range of shakespeare and there are like 30 plays or something he did. Just a weird glimpse into the Northwest American mind.

                      • #468469
                        Anonymous
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                        That you’re supremely retarded. I was under the impression that you’re slowly starting to understand that yourself, alas, I was wrong and you continue to "thrive" in your ignorance.

                      • #468481
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >That you’re supremely retarded.
                        You do realize that this has to be at least VAGUELLY based on some kind of point or argument to have any relevance, right?

                        Yeah, I made you angry, you are insecure and need to compensate that sudden surge of emotions by insulting me. I’d assume even you would have figured out that is not going to get you anywhere unless you can make anything even remotely similar to an actual point. You know, somehow put together a justification of your hillarious little tantrum.

                        But then again, clearly assuming any kind of basic self-awareness or mental capacity all together was my biggest mistake so far.

                        So let me make it easy for you:
                        What part of what I said is making you shit your pants with with impotent anger? Try to be precise, actually refer to something I had actually said, and what about it made you piuss yourself.
                        Can you answer that question?

                      • #468483
                        Anonymous
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                        Real autism speaking right here. Textbook.

                      • #468496
                        Anonymous
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                        >Real autism speaking right here. Textbook.
                        Thank you for proving that you can’t do what I asked of you.

                        Do you really not realize how fucking sad this is? Do you seriously not realize how poorly this reflects on you?

                        You have posted 5+ posts of mental breakdown and screeching and you literally cannot say what is it that made you angry.

                        You do not really realize there are people around you at this point, do you?
                        This is stupidity and lack of self-awareness leading towards some kind of solipsisim.

                      • #468505
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Continued reddit spacing, an entitled retard making demands of people who don’t give a shit about him. Full autist for sure.

                      • #468507
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Thank you for proving you can’t do what I asked of you
                        damn almost like you are completely worthless here and no one gives a shit about what you "asked of them" lmao

                      • #468529
                        Anonymous
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                        >damn almost like you are completely worthless here and no one gives a shit about what you "asked of them" lmao
                        Kid, you know what is funny.
                        You did not know what the phrase "in media res" means. And while that is kinda silly, given how hugely common it is in pretty much any media-related discussions, it’s also not a big deal.
                        Everyone has blindspots. And some people just don’t read theory on media what so ever, and while that is not exactly healthy, it is fair and fine as long as they do have SOME interests in their life.

                        But you have somehow turned this simple admission of a minor personal ignorance into an 25+ meltdown.
                        The fact that somebody points out that knowing these words is quite normal drives you into 25+ posts of nothing but you screeching at the top of your lungs how much you hate someone… that is the part that actually DOES make you an insanely shit person.

                        Just keep this in mind. Nobody would have judged you for your lack of basic common vocabulary knowledge.
                        This kind of mental breakdown, however, is why you are as worthless as you actually fear you might be.
                        In fact, it’s even worse.

                        >hermetic doesn’t mean inaccessible
                        i fucking hate this place
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism_(poetry)

                        You could at least read the fucking article you posted, kid. Jesus.

                      • #468530
                        Anonymous
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                        Why do you keep responding to people like it’s the same guy, this is the second time you have done this to me lmao

                      • #468536
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Kid
                        Hey kid
                        Kid!
                        Listen to me, kid
                        Are you reading my posts, kid?
                        Call me, kid…
                        I miss you

                      • #468539
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >needs to autistically respond to every single person calling him a retard
                        >GOD I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS HAS GONE ON FOR 25+ POSTS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
                        this is honestly the funniest dude on Ganker right now

                      • #468484
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Why is this guy making you write essays about how mad you are? Everyone thinks your retarded, just move on.

                        inb4 >*you’re

                      • #468475
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I really wish Ganker had a system like tripcodes where if you make a retarded enough post your ip gets blacklisted with a little icon and people just know not to bother replying to you.

                      • #468485
                        Anonymous
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                      • #468493
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Of course this is the type of retard that turns regular sentences into questions? With that insanely autistic way of talking?

                      • #468565
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        sounds like you want to browse reddit,

                    • #468564
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      They taught me what in media res what in high school AP english lol Film is a meme major

                  • #468476
                    Anonymous
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                    Based anon who’s actually right about everything.

                  • #468479
                    Anonymous
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                    >It really fucking is. It’s very, VERY basic part of medial terminology. How much fucking isolated are you? Have you NEVER read a movie review, or any form of theoretical look at storytelling what so ever? This is basic highschool terminology, unless you literally went working the fucking coal mine after elementary, you should know this term.
                    People don’t read, nearly at all anymore. That’s the whole problem. Anon apparently can’t even read a dictionary at this point.

              • #468464
                Anonymous
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                you’re some kind of advanced retard ain’t ya? The kind that’s slowly discovering the limits of your understanding and scope.

          • #468452
            Anonymous
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            You can’t accept that you were wrong and uninformed? Lol.

          • #468512
            Anonymous
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            >hermetic doesn’t mean inaccessible
            i fucking hate this place
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism_(poetry)

            • #468521
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >poetry
              We’re talking about video games, midwit.

              • #468526
                Anonymous
                Guest

                same concept can be applied to different medias you retard. the in media res thing itself originates from literature

                • #468534
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >retarded dimwit cant tell the difference between poems and games
                  SAD!

                  • #468558
                    Anonymous
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                    >retard can’t read a dictionary
                    Kek

          • #468667
            Anonymous
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            Language is ever evolving

            • #468669
              Anonymous
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              >Language is ever evolving
              Yes, but that does not mean you get away with saying any bullshit you want. Evolution of language is not an excuse for you misusing it. You fuckers REALLY need to fucking get this through your skulls, because I see this absolute stupidity very often around this place.

            • #468675
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >I used a word in the wrong context because I’m an idiot and probably not even a native speaker?
              >That’s fine, I’ll just get everyone else to say it. Then I will be retroactively in the right

              • #468709
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >That’s fine, I’ll just get everyone else to say it. T
                Actually, that IS how language change, or "evolution" does work. If you can get enough people to use it the way you use it, it WILL become actually the correct meaning.

                But of course, that rarely happens, actually actively initiating such a massive shift in usage, which has to affect both laik and academic public, is incredibly hard and rare to happen.

                The real proble (and the nature of this case) is that people tend to use the word in a way that nobody else understands it (and will continue not using it that way), then declaring it’s fine because "language change means there is no REAL wrong use."

                It’s like the people trying to argue that the word "liminal" now means "uncanny" or "empty" because of some shitty reddit creepypastas has and how that is totally true because "language changes", ignoring the fact that they are an incredibly insignificant minority that nobody else pays attention, and that has zero relevance or influence on broad public, much less academia.

                "Language changes" became a cheap excuse how to get out of being called out on simple language misuse.

                But, if you really CAN get majority of the speakers to actually change the use, then that is fine, that is the language change working as it should be.
                It’s just that this really isn’t that case.

          • #468673
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Because hermetic does not mean the same as inaccessible, and never had. Not in common usage, or anywhere else.
            Hermetically sealed is a fucking marketing term, fuck off child.

        • #468711
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Why didn’t he just say that then

        • #468717
          Anonymous
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          I don’t really get what he means still since isn’t that like THE point? Colt has no memory about why he’s stuck in a time loop and he, and the player, have to slowly figure out everything? What exactly is he upset about?

          • #468733
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >What exactly is he upset about?
            Well, as mentioned somewhere above, in medias res opening can be done right, but it can also be done poorly. When done right, it immediately raises the intrigue and tension from the start, making sure you don’t get bored before the more exciting moments come, while also encouraging curiosity and investment, making you WANT to know what is going on.

            But if it’s done poorly, it may just make you feel overwhelmed, frustrated, patronized or straight up disinterested.
            I think his point is that Deathloop does it poorly, not that it is wrong to start in medias res to begin with.

            • #468743
              Anonymous
              Guest

              It’s funny that the best we can do is "think his point" is something because he didn’t actually articulate anything.

              • #468745
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >It’s funny that the best we can do is "think his point"
                Well, yeah. But that itself isn’t unusual. It’s how communication works – we always do have to do fill in a lot of the gaps and just try to mine out meaning from what others say, to me that is just completely normal and natural part of the process of communication.
                Also, it’s a fucking twitter post. Ideally, we should really all finally admit that twitter is NOT actually communication. It’s just a fucking media based equivalent of what cancer is to life – an entirely sick, fucked up and inherently harmful shitfest that unfortunately does have to accompany our life / technological development.

                But I did wonder for a while, when I saw A) how much he misunderstands the meaning of word hermetic, and B) how many people nowdays seem to be baffled by the concept of "in media res", if he maybe isn’t actually using even that term wrong.

                There is a part of me that wonders if he actually does not think of something ENTIRELY different.
                But… you know. Grice and charity. It’s better to assume he has a point and that he did get as close to formulating as he could.

                • #468749
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >Well, yeah. But that itself isn’t unusual. It’s how communication works – we always do have to do fill in a lot of the gaps and just try to mine out meaning from what others say, to me that is just completely normal and natural part of the process of communication.

                  Christ, trying to talk about a video game shouldn’t devolve into some bullshit where we have to outline Gricean maxims and semiotics. The guy should have just used plain and effective language.

                  • #468757
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >Christ, trying to talk about a video game shouldn’t devolve into some bullshit where we have to outline Gricean maxims and semiotics.
                    I consider this elevation, not devolution. But then again for obvious reasons, I may be biased on this.
                    Also, isn’t this whole thread about someone saying something nobody can properly understand? I’d say basic theory of communication is very much unavoidable in this scenario.

                    What
                    No you fucking retard I’m saying the liberal art known as "history" is studied better than it’s ever been studied before

                    >No you fucking retard I’m saying the liberal art known as "history" is studied better than it’s ever been studied before
                    OK, I misunderstood you there, sorry. Though I would point out that our current state of history theory is just as riddled with holes as it was in the past. The sole actual major improvement is that we are more aware of these holes and open to admit their existence, rather than being blissfully ignorant, which I guess is a big improvement on paper. But then again it also has become a massive excuse to just excuse sloppy work and turn deliberate manipulation into acceptable strategy because "it’s fine as long as we pretend to be transparent about it". Which in the end unfortunately ends up being as crappy as the past undisclosed manipulations were.

                    Otherwise, while I think history is one of the more stable and less fucked up part of social theory, I would still say it follows "two steps forward, two steps back, and occasionally shoot a random bypasser in the leg" philosophy most of social and liberal studies have been following.

                    Then again, I don’t necessary want to say all academic disciplines are supposed to be always going through a straight, linear objective improvement process. That would be unrealistically optimistic to expect.

    • #468399
      Anonymous
      Guest

      what the fuck does that even mean english faggots? explain yourself, it’s driving me mad

      • #468403
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s latin and means that it throws you right into the story and you have to try and understand it by discovering stuff and not be forcefed it on a silver platter.

        • #468441
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Isn’t that literally the entire premise of the game?
          Why would you list that as a con? That’d be like saying Mario jumping on platforms is bad.

          • #468533
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Bear in mind he also listed bootleg Bioshock as a pro, so he may just be a fucking idiot overall.

          • #468548
            Anonymous
            Guest

            The appeal of media res is in it’s ability to immediate engage the audience while alleviating the need for tedious exposition. But like any type of tool, it can be done poorly – throw the audience into the final 3rd of a normal plot and they’ll spend more time trying to adjust rather than getting engaged with the characters. The risk is even higher if it’s a jargon filled narrative – look at how many people loathe the start of FF13.
            For a game based around repetitive story telling, it sounds like wouldn’t be an issue. And you still have to be a colossal faggot to call it "too hermetic"

      • #468418
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Like someone else mentioned it means to begin a story in the midst of the action and plot. "Hermetic" means like, sealed off. So I THINK, I’m not sure because he phrased it like a pretentious retard, but I think he was trying to say "The beginning in the thick of it is too tight (sealed). I felt like I was beginning in the thick of things but then the game restricted my actions so much that this felt pointless." I really can’t be sure though, it’s such a twat thing to say.

        I had to google "hermetic" to see if there was some other definition of the word I’m not aware of and apparently there isn’t so I have no idea what the fuck he’s talking about.

        I think he means "tight and closed off" as in you begin in the thick of things but the game restricts your actions so much it doesn’t feel that way/it feels pointless.

        • #468425
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s not ‘sealed off’. It’s like esoteric, hard to understand, obscure. What the guy meant was that he felt being thrown into a lot of shit all at once because it was in media res.

          • #468491
            Anonymous
            Guest

            In a mechanical context "hermetic" is used to mean "sealed off". Like a hermetic seal. That’s probably not the usage he meant but it’s a valid one.

        • #468448
          Anonymous
          Guest

          In media res is by nature "hermetic".

      • #468624
        Anonymous
        Guest

        shut the fuck up and go back to your slum, you stupid ESL faggot

      • #468687
        Anonymous
        Guest

        it starts in the middle of things and you can’t leave leading to a sterile experience

    • #468401
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It insists upon itself Lois

    • #468405
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Jesus, I knew Ganker wasn’t exactly the brightest of the boards but you can’t even understand basic academic words?

      • #468407
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I’m learning how to repair industrial boilers, internal combustion engines, diesel generators, and other shit that basically makes the world function. Not pointless retarded shit for limpwristed slackjawed faggots to whine about while having a frappuccino in their fake ass office that generates fake "jobs" which surmount to nothing more than whining about the lack of transsexual benderqueer otherkin representation in children’s cartoons.

        • #468503
          Anonymous
          Guest

          based

        • #468590
          Anonymous
          Guest

          unfathomly based.
          all these Twitter subhumans need to be lined up against a wall.

          No but ESLs are having trouble literally understanding the meaning of the individual parts of that phrase. What we cannot figure out is why he added the fucking word "hermetic". I googled "en media res hermetic" literally no results because it’s not a real phrase and doesn’t fucking mean anything. This dude’s just a fag trying to sound smart and so are you.

          in medias res isn’t even English, you rambling tryhard. you should be skinned and culled like a dog in China you Angloid shitbirth. English is the language of whores and sons of whores. that’s why the entire world speaks it. literally cumdumpster cheap ass prostitute tier low iq language.

        • #468609
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Imagine needing to put down other people just because you feel bad about not knowing a word they use

          • #468679
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Imagine needing to put down other people
            You mean like pooping on someone who didn’t pick up some utterly useless faggot lingo trivia from some queer leftist uni? Yeah, I can only imagine.

            • #468689
              Anonymous
              Guest

              No, I mean like pooping on an entire group of people because someone unrelated to them called you a dense faggot lmao

              • #468691
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >liberal arts faggots
                >people
                lmao
                If all the engineers died overnight, humanity would face catastrophe that would put the species on the brink of extinction.
                If all the journalists, bloggers, sociologists and other scum died overnight, humanity would only be better off for it.

                These lowly trash are not "people". They’re scum-sucking parasites.

                • #468703
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >These lowly trash are not "people". They’re scum-sucking parasites.
                  Yeah, we can all see you are not insecure as fuck about your own relevance to this world. At all.

                  • #468705
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    being relevant to this piss earth is a pejorative

                    • #468713
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >being relevant to this piss earth is a pejorative
                      You don’t even realize the hillarious contradiction to the post you made few minutes ago.

                      I’m sure you are a fucking fountain of wisdom and we should all really care to what you are saying. Your opinions are really interesting and useful to all of us.

                      • #468715
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >If all the journalists, bloggers, sociologists and other scum died overnight, humanity would only be better off for it.
                        he was right when he said this, these people are active and important, in the worst of ways

                      • #468719
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >these people are active and important, in the worst of ways
                        There is a MASSIVE, MAJOR problem with conteporary social and liberal studies for sure, and yes, they can actually become an active harm to the society.
                        But I don’t think that is what he is saying, or even something he genuinely understands. He is literally just screeching out bile and insecurity like a broken child, not realizing he himself is a very good illustration of the actual impact these fields can have in the first place.

                        Someone who cannot remain coherent or consistent across two posts in a row generally isn’t worth listening to. Even if he happens to say something half-true at one point, it’s out of sheer random chance, a broken watch scenario.

                        This poor kid sure as fuck does not have the capacity to begin understanding what is and isn’t important or dangerous to the society itself.

                      • #468731
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        ok fair

                      • #468739
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        I study history and I wouldn’t say there’s any problem with it, in fact it’s way better than it’s ever been before at any point in, uh, history.

                      • #468747
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >I study history and I wouldn’t say there’s any problem with it,
                        Are you kidding me? We have not learned a SINGLE lesson from the events of the last century, our social paradigms are currently EXACTLY as fucked as they were in the first decades of 20th century. I’m not saying this is the worst state of social paradigms ever to happen in human history, but it sure as fuck is very close to what it was very shortly before the worst times of our modern history.

                      • #468753
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        What
                        No you fucking retard I’m saying the liberal art known as "history" is studied better than it’s ever been studied before

                • #468737
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Why are you doing it again when I just told you it’s embarrassing

          • #468759
            Anonymous
            Guest

            You tight lil nigga

      • #468411
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I refuse to learn garbage latin phrases that are in latin without any good reason

        • #468414
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >I refuse to learn garbage latin phrases that are in latin without any good reason
          nobody tell him about coup d’etats, schadenfreude, kowtowing, and bungalows

          • #468416
            Anonymous
            Guest

            coup d’etat, classic latin

          • #468572
            Anonymous
            Guest

            yes the latin phrase schadenfreude. how could anyone forget their LATIN.

          • #468576
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Schadenfreude actually comes from Finnish, means to laugh at the joys of life. Nice latins there. Midwits.

          • #468615
            Anonymous
            Guest

            How is nobody understanding that none of your examples are Latin so obviously you’re just talking about loan words in general

            • #468621
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I don’t think anyone is having trouble understanding that. How are you having trouble understanding that out of all of those languages, Latin is the one no one on the planet actually speaks outside of retarded loan words? Extra points for English descending from Latin and still being obnoxious enough to use latin phrases for literally no reason. It’s pure pretense.

              • #468627
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >It’s pure pretense.
                How fucking insecure are you, really?
                Yeah. Simple reality of language and cultural history is PRETENSE.

                Kid, the reality does not give a fuck about you. The fact that it makes you feel insecure is your problem, and does not necessarily mean it was deliberately made to make you feel insecure.

                Just learn to make peace with the fact that world has it’s own logic that does not care about you one way or another. it’s not pretense, it’s just the fact that not everything in the world will be specifically set up to make sense to you.

                • #468633
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Are you that guy that keeps replying to everyone, I’m glad I got the opportunity to make you mad about something too

                  • #468639
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >I’m glad I got the opportunity to make you mad about something too
                    You are the one who claims that something he does not like must be a PRETENSE. You are making only yourself mad. On the rare occassion someone like me is generous enough to give you some attention, they are not doing it because they are mad.
                    We just pitty you.
                    I know it’s a difficult distinction for you to make, but trust me, it’s a significant one.

                    • #468643
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Keep going

                    • #468649
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Have you nothing better to do?

              • #468631
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Yes, a lot of it was originally founded in pretention, but it’s too late now and it’s just a basic part of our language. In medias res is a totally normal technical phrase, it’s "hermetic" which was unusual.

            • #468671
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Because the point of discussion here isn’t to understand what others are saying, but to find reasons to fight them.

        • #468422
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You probably use some and don’t even realize it because you are an uneducated tard.

      • #468412
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I understand in medias res and hermetic, but what the fuck is that supposed to mean put together? The story starts in the middle of things, and it is too sealed in to that framing? This word choice wreaks of midwit that just found some new words that he wants to smash together.

      • #468420
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No but ESLs are having trouble literally understanding the meaning of the individual parts of that phrase. What we cannot figure out is why he added the fucking word "hermetic". I googled "en media res hermetic" literally no results because it’s not a real phrase and doesn’t fucking mean anything. This dude’s just a fag trying to sound smart and so are you.

        • #468427
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I’m an ESL and I understood it
          I mean what he’s trying to say is still unclear but I don’t think he has any idea either

          • #468474
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >I understood it
            >except i didn’t
            Stunning

        • #468515
          Anonymous
          Guest

          He wanted to say hectic but he’s a low IQ retard so he used the wrong word, mystery solved

        • #468723
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Angloid idiocy at its finest. Those "difficult academic words" are almost exactly the same in every language precisely because they’re rarely used and haven’t morphed much from their Latin/Greek roots.

      • #468450
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s video games and video game reviews. Who the fuck is using academic words?

        • #468551
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Who the fuck is using academic words?
          Failed academics

    • #468409
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I can only assume they meant frenetic

      • #468501
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The one smart post here.

    • #468423
      Anonymous
      Guest

      > bootleg bioshock [this is good]
      >awful character control
      ok what the fuck is this dumbass on about

    • #468436
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Mirror’s Edge Catalyst

    • #468439
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Just say "The middle of the story gets too confusing" you douche. Who do you think you’re impressing?

      • #468444
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Just say "The middle of the story gets too confusing" you douche.
        Wait.
        I get that people are confused by the incorrect use of the word "hermetic", but do you SERIOUSLY not know what "in medias res" fucking mean?

        • #468446
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s not a common phrase and has literally never been. I’m more baffled that you can’t believe he doesn’t know what it means honestly. Although it couldn’t be… you’re not just being overtly pretentious are you? Because that sure would be fucking retarded.

        • #468454
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Nobody does, that’s the point.

      • #468460
        Anonymous
        Guest

        SILENCE
        YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING NOBODY
        RESPECT OUR COMMON ROMAN HERITAGE INSTEAD OF PROMOTING YOUR FAGGOT REVISIONISM

      • #468741
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >The middle of the story gets too confusing"
        That’s not at all what he means lol

    • #468456
      Anonymous
      Guest

      FF13 – you see cutscenes showing the 13 days that lead up to this
      FF15 – the movie is happening the moment the game begins

      both throw you into a story that is already happening

    • #468471
      Anonymous
      Guest

      i didn’t like deathloop
      reasons :
      >in medias res too hermetic

    • #468477
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The funniest thing is, I understand his point and can’t think of a better way to name it

      • #468487
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >story is shit at first

    • #468482
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I can’t think of anything I hate more than people trying to act smart by throwing around random terms.

    • #468486
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The fuck is "lack of discipline" in a fucking game?

      • #468489
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Probably a question of focus, throwing in everything you can think of instead of refining the parts that work.

      • #468490
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Amateurish mistakes in a AAA product

      • #468538
        Anonymous
        Guest

        it means he’s racist and wants to enslave the protagonists

    • #468495
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >it’s a Ganker tries to act intelligent episode

    • #468497
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Notice that the only comment on gameplay is under Bad.

    • #468498
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Everyone itt knows what "in medias res" means
      Everyone itt knows what "Hermetic" means
      Now can anyone explain how "in medias res" can be "hermetic" in excess?

      • #468510
        Anonymous
        Guest

        here’s an example with metroid dread. how are you even supposed to know what’s going on?

        • #468514
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >speeding up the text
          >hurrr what is going on

          it’s his fault

          • #468518
            Anonymous
            Guest

            it’s david jaffe, and yes it’s his fault however he quickly got stuck early in the game because he didn’t know where to go or what to do, rage quit, and then blamed it on the game design.

          • #468524
            Anonymous
            Guest

            oh and he skipped through a game over sequence and quit without saving losing a bunch of progress after he tried "starting over" to prove the game has bad design and it wasn’t just him being a retard.

            • #468528
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Wow, and to think he used to make games.

        • #468517
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Didn’t this guy just make an entire game of cutscenes? Like what the fuck is going on, is he off his meds or something

          • #468680
            Anonymous
            Guest

            He’s the creator of the original, shitty God of War games, not the new, somehow even shittier God of War games.

            He’s basically irrelevant now and his career is over so he’s just an annoying online "opinions guy".

        • #468519
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yeah, this is definitely in medias a bit too hermentic. Pretty insightful insight, but might be a diamond dozen in this doggy dog world.

        • #468525
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I hope Jaffe becomes the new DSP. This shit is hilarious.

        • #468637
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Fucking piece of shit.

      • #468542
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What does in media res means

        • #468562
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >What does in media res means
          "In media res" is a form of literary device, more specifically one of the possible ways to open up your story. It basically means that you do not start the story with exposition and introductions, but rather throw the audience right into action, "in the middle of things" which is what it literally translates to.

          So for an example, Hobbit, which starts with like 15 pages of explaining what the fuck is a Hobbit, then with 40 pages introducing who dwarves and wizards are, and what will be the logic behind the upcoming adventure, is not an "in media res" opening.
          That fucking Prototype game which starts with the protagonist equipped with late-game skills murdering his way through thousands of people and monsters, while we don’t even know who the main protagonist is, or what is going on: that is an extreme example of in media res opening.
          In media res tends to be more immediately exciting, but risk also being potentially confusing as it gives you the exciting parts sooner, but postpones making sense of or being clear.

          If you mishandle a in-media-res opening, the audience can become annoyied, as the story treats events as if they are supposed to make sense, but does not give you the tools to actually make sense of them.

          Which I think is what the twitter post in OP was trying to say – that Deathloop kinda fucked up the ballance between building intrigue, quickly delivering you to the "cool" bits, and making the story still comprehensible and legible enough to be interesting.

          • #468570
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Thanks anon, so using it as the twitter fag is just pseudo intellectual babble with no meaning at all.

            • #468599
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Thanks anon, so using it as the twitter fag is just pseudo intellectual babble with no meaning at all.
              Well, first of all, you don’t normall just say "in media res is _something_", that is one hell of an awkward wording, but that might be just result of the idiotic twitter message contraint itself.

              It’s still fairly clear he wants to talk about how the game does start by explaining very little to you, instead throwing you right into the think of the action and let you learn the context later.

              To call hermetic however, is just fucking wrong. It’s like saying Superman is a homophony to Jesus Christ. You can sorta kinda see what he was trying to say, but he just chose the wrong word there.

      • #468601
        Anonymous
        Guest

        you clearly don’t know all meanings of the word hermetic

    • #468500
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >hurr gun in the right hand, power in the left therefore bootleg bioshock
      >im so full of unique opinions and thoughts

    • #468502
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >good
      >bootleg
      What? This guy has no idea how to write.

    • #468504
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s code for
      >major characters are diverse folk

    • #468506
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >hmm if I say the story was to difficult to understand I’ll be mocked
      >I know what to do
      why do they try so hard to act like they’re reviewing the most exquisite piece of art or literature when they write like this about a videogame? they’re not going to fool anyone.

    • #468508
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This dude reviews fucking kids toys for a living, who is he kidding with this flowery language?

      • #468513
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >flowery language
        It’s middle school english lit terminology.

      • #468605
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No he doesn’t, you absolute mouth breather

    • #468516
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I hate pseuds so much it’s unreal.

    • #468522
      Anonymous
      Guest

      We’re still talking about this garbage pozzed turd? Why is Ganker obsessed with melanoidgames? It failed, move on y’all.

    • #468527
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Faggots like this clown who uses words no one else does to sound smart are usually fucking retards

      • #468537
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Faggots like this clown who uses words no one else does to sound smart
        He is not using therms no one else does.
        He uses terms that are pretty basic and commonly used.
        He is using them wrong however, and that really is the whole problem here.

        • #468540
          Anonymous
          Guest

          When’s the last time you heard anyone use that term in any way besides your fucking history teacher in highschool.

          • #468543
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >When’s the last time you heard anyone use that term in any way besides your fucking history teacher in highschool.
            Which one? In media res? Because I pretty much do hear that term on daily basis. But even if I filter out the fact that I work in academia and with narrative theory among other things: that shit is used in every other basic review and article that in some way reflects movies, books or other narrative media.

            Again. It REALLY is a very common term.

            As for the use of the term hermetic, sure, that is more limited. But it’s not because the term itself is particularly obscure or unknown, it’s just that it really only does have utility in a rather narrow selection of fields. It’s term with meaning for history, philosophy, and to a lesser degree fields like sociology, literary history, or religious studies.
            You will come across is quite commonly if you have even remote interest in any of those fields, but pretty much always only in context of those fields.

            It’s just that this guy, again, used it wrong here.

            • #468546
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Why would it be used in every other basic review or article? Are you trying to say that at least 50% of all stories start in the middle? It sure sounds like a load of bullshit to me but hey I don’t go on the internet and make a bunch of shit up so maybe you did a good job, I’m not the expert.

              • #468574
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Why would it be used in every other basic review or article? Are you trying to say that at least 50% of all stories start in the middle
                Actually, in media res has became somewhat of a default narrative opening in the last 50 years, especially in popular media. And it is INSANELY popular in gaming in particular. Remember the time every fucking game had to start with that annoying "ability-tease" flash forward bullshit?
                So yeah, in medias res IS actually more of a default opening than the other one.

                So it’s a very common tool, and a very common term, that is my point.
                It also does not really have a commonly used opposition, which heightens it’s use.

                In media res is supposed to be a binary opposition to "ab ovo", but that term never caught up in public use, so it’s really just "nothing/normal" vs. "in media res" opposition, and that makes things awkward. So it’s really not uncommon for people to actually say "the story does not begin in media res" instead of saying "the story does begin ab ovo / normally" – not just because in medias res is so popular, but because we really don’t have a near term for it’s opposition.

                • #468580
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Fuck off Adrian

                • #468582
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  You are talking so far out of your ass you’ve become all hole, no man.

                  • #468584
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    His post was easy to follow. Lurk more and grind your reading comprehension.

                    • #468589
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      The implication wasn’t that it was hard to follow, if that’s where your mind went first I think you’re the problem here.

                  • #468603
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >You are talking so far out of your ass you’ve become all hole, no man.
                    You are still on this thing, kid?
                    Yeah, we established you are incredibly insecure.
                    An hour ago.

                    You really are not achieving much just desperately repeating it over and over.

                    • #468611
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      You must be batting like 0.1% in terms of actually replying to the right person at this point. You’re so upset over it you’re bringing it up to everyone. Sorry that guy fucked your life up or whatever but I don’t really care.

                      • #468617
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >Sorry that guy fucked your life up or whatever but I don’t really care.
                        Sure, I can see that. Your endless desperate screeching and anger really shows me how above this you are.

                        You have been doing nothing but saying "I HATE YOU SHUT UP FUCK YOU NO STOP I HATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING" for hours and hours on now. Nothing proves how much you don’t care quite as much as constant screeching and angry noises – that is an embodiment of being above things alright.

                      • #468619
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        okay

                • #468597
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  There is no need to specify that someone begins at the beginning you fucking retard

                  • #468607
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >There is no need to specify that someone begins at the beginning you fucking retard
                    Well, as you can see, there kinda is.

        • #468541
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >He is not using therms no one else does.
          Nobody who isn’t a subhuman faggot in liberal arts has ever used this term.

        • #468561
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Nobody uses that term, but he used it correctly. Read a dictionary.

      • #468587
        Anonymous
        Guest

        A lot of pseuds do this, but it’s no excuse to keep repeating yourself when a single term would suffice.

    • #468531
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Hermetic you say?

      • #468550
        Anonymous
        Guest

        based Hermete

    • #468532
      Anonymous
      Guest

      basically your shits all retarded and you talk like a fag

    • #468535
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The talos principle. I loved it though

    • #468544
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Damn, this schizo spamming "kid" everywhere got BTFO by the dictionary.

    • #468545
      Anonymous
      Guest

      why is /vee/ filled with retards arguing about meaningless shit and things they hate instead of talking about/playing fucking video games? What a generation of retarded woman-like weak "men".

      • #468549
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Because everyone here knows absolutely fuck all about video games, I’d have a better conversation talking about video games to a wall.

        also talking about video games instead of playing them is fucking retarded anyway, it’s a children’s toy adults play with, not much to say of value.

        • #468552
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You can talk about the gameplay or the lore, it’s interesting.
          >it’s a children’s toy adults play with, not much to say of value.
          dumb washed out "doomer" mindset, there’s still good video games worth exploring and experiencing, look at the outer wilds.

          • #468554
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I didn’t say they aren’t good. I love outer wilds, I just have no desire to talk about it with a bunch of retards that never leave the house. The only value this place has is shitposting.

            • #468566
              Anonymous
              Guest

              The outer wilds threads were the best on Ganker, people were even kind enough to use spoilers all the time for newcomers. It was way above the usual garbage you see on Ganker.

              • #468568
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I saw them, and like yeah they were civil and pleasant but it’s not like anyone had anything worthwhile to say on the subject.

      • #468557
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Ganker has been full of new normalfags who obsess over coming to a video game forum and acting superior while trying to insult others for playing video games. The childish behavior everywhere is so tiresome.

    • #468547
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Bootleg Bioshock
      >Good

    • #468553
      Anonymous
      Guest

      so what about the gameplay

    • #468555
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Bioshock was the first game like it
      I’m so sick of these fucking people I can hardly stand it.

    • #468560
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Throwing out random latin just makes it harder to understand someone. You look like the weebs using japanese words in a middle of a sentence.

    • #468578
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I found the in media res quite shallow and pedantic

    • #468586
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >in medias res too hermetic
      He’s an ESL, what’d you expect?

      • #468613
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Exactly this, he probably saw hermetic being used to mean arcane and esoteric once and didn’t realise how unusual that meaning is.

        • #468622
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Exactly this, he probably saw hermetic being used to mean arcane and esoteric once
          I’m pretty sure he thinks hermetic means "inaccessible", meaning he likely isn’t aware of it’s original meaning to begin with.
          Also, being ESL actually does not matter here at all. The term is used the same way in just about every western language – from Czech to Irish, as it’s a latin, derived from a proper name and refering originally to a specific historical schools of thinking.

          • #468625
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >I’m pretty sure he thinks hermetic means "inaccessible"
            it literally does mean that

            >relating to or characterized by subjects that are mysterious and difficult to understand
            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hermetic

            • #468635
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >it literally does mean that
              It literally does not.
              Not even in the irrelevant on-line version of Merriam-Webster you quote. Much less in actual reality.
              The meaning of the word Hermetic is related to the idea of inaccessibility, but that does not mean it’s the same thing.

              • #468645
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Something that is difficult to understand can be said to be inaccessible.

                Either way due in OP wasn’t saying it’s inaccessible obviously, not sure where you got that from.

                • #468653
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >Something that is difficult to understand can be said to be inaccessible.
                  Yes.
                  But hermetic does not mean "difficult to understand".
                  It means a particular mystical view of the world, just so happens to also be very difficult to understand.

                  Homophony refers to some form of similarity, but you can’t claim that everything that is similar can be called "homophonic".
                  Hermetism refers to some form of difficult-to-understand views, but you can’t claim that everything that is hard to understand is hermetic.

                  >Either way due in OP wasn’t saying it’s inaccessible obviously
                  The fuck did you think he was trying to say?

                  • #468659
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >But hermetic does not mean "difficult to understand"
                    Literally what it says in the dictionary, end of discussion.

                    >The fuck did you think he was trying to say?
                    What the word means.

                    • #468663
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >Literally what it says in the dictionary, end of discussion.
                      You really are three years old, aren’t you? I would ask if you know whaat the problem of prescriptivity vs. illustrativity of dictionary is all about, but we all already know the answer to that, don’t we?

                      >What the word means.
                      Which you don’t know.

                      • #468665
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        "relating to or characterized by subjects that are mysterious and difficult to understand : relating to or characterized by occultism or abstruseness"

                      • #468677
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        What dictionary is that in? I couldn’t find any equivalent sense in the Oxford dictionary.

                      • #468693
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Merriam webster

          • #468682
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It doesn’t matter where the term derives from or what it meant oeiginally. Different languages and cultures canorph a loanword in many different ways. Just see the difference in how "pederast" is used in Russian/eastern euro countries vs its usage in anglo countries.

            • #468699
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Different languages and cultures canorph a loanword in many different ways.
              While that is true, it’s not true in this particular case.
              Also, I can’t speak for Russian, but I’m an east european slav, and I can tell you the word pedarast in my language, as well as in the three neighbouring slav-speaking countries, is the same as in English, both of them adopting it without major shift of meaning from early Christian, latin reference that we all share.

    • #468592
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >in medias res too hermetic
      What a fucking moron. Thats the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of starting in media res. You set up a bunch of mysteries and questions about how shit got to this point and then proceed to answer them throughout the story.

    • #468593
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This thread reminds me of when Laidlaw posted the HL3 plot and suddenly bakas were making posts, claiming that nobody on Ganker knew what a Dyson Sphere was until they saw that specific HL3 post.

      • #468595
        Anonymous
        Guest

        to be fair most people probably do not know what a dyson sphere is even though they have probably heard the term.

    • #468629
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >good
      >bootleg Bioshock

    • #468641
      Anonymous
      Guest

      OK, but how is its ludonarrative dissonance?

    • #468685
      Anonymous
      Guest
      • #468695
        Anonymous
        Guest
    • #468697
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >bioshockfag
      Opinion disregarded

    • #468701
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This is what activated almonds does to a mf

    • #468707
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I think that is a sure sign that a game insists upon itself

    • #468721
      Anonymous
      Guest

      boomer here
      do zoomers not learn latin and greek and high school anymore

    • #468729
      Anonymous
      Guest

      lgtss
      >in medias res too hermetic

    • #468735
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >in medias res too hermetic
      what did he mean by this? genuinely asking

    • #468751
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Holy shit everyone in this thread is esl. Kys immediately

      • #468755
        Anonymous
        Guest

        pissed in mouth
        on dick spinned language yours
        condom fucking

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