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Why are there no successful long running game series with a developing plot and a fandom filled with theories where it might go
Pretty much every medium that can be used for storytelling has its own flagships where people are dying to see how it ends except vidya
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The Mass Effect series was basically this though. The anticipation and hype for Mass Effect 3 was through the roof because previous fans wanted to see where the story went and how it ended, and that’s why the game was so disappointing.
The thing is, nothing was able to recapture that magic in an episodic manner as the ME trilogy did, and Telltale/Life is Strange games are fairly niche. Even movie games don’t get the same treatment as big television shows.
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This pretty much
ME3 and Game of Thrones Season 8 have a lot of similar problems-
Game of Thrones’ biggest problem is that all the actual merit of the story came from the books. And they ran out of them.
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They didnt so much as run out, as they stupidly skipped all the good ones. So by the end they had nothing left
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Well, let’s be fair, in 2015 we all thought Young Griff and the Golden Company were lame as hell. How were we supposed to know it was going to end with Oldtown going up in a Cthulu spawning event?
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I thought it was heading somewhere decent what with him being the mummers(fake and or Varys) dragon.
But i was more pissed they removed lady stoneheart and a myriad other small but interesting plot points.
Once that happened i heavily suspected the show was going to shit. I was right but it still didnt feel good
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I was bitching about too many changes from the books by the start of season 2. They had plenty more character material to work with, they just skipped over or rewrote a lot of it.
But even then I don’t know if there’d be enough content to carry things to A Dream of Spring. I don’t know if any of us will reach it.
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>I was bitching about too many changes from the books by the start of season 2
Yeah i knew alot of anons who saw the writing all the way back then i wasn’t one of them.
I was making excuses for the minor changes and frankenstein characters. But i legitmately didnt think they would shit the bed so bad.
How bad do you have to be to fuck copying someone elses Home Work for fucks sake
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Losing Drew Karpyshyn as the main writer and scrapping the dark energy plotline was a similar death blow for Mass Effect
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>Why are there no successful long running game series with a developing plot and a fandom filled with theories where it might go
Legend of Heroes?-
Is there a specific end the story is working towards or is the story just an excuse to keep the games going and made up as they go along?
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>Is there a specific end the story is working towards
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We’ve been told that Reverie was the halfway point, so there IS an end-goal. I dunno how broad-strokes the story planning is, but given how many awkward moments of retconning there seem to be it’s not thoroughly planned out, and it’s probably they more have a vague ideas for the in-between parts and the general idea of the finale planned.
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Legend of heroes nerd.
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MGS was like that before mgs4.
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>What happened to you?
>What happened to US?
>To the people we were supposed to become…? -
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Every Drakenier discussion has a pool going on when/if Accord will finally show up again
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yakuza
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Man, I was excited for Telltale’s take on Game of Thrones. I was hoping they’d do what they did with season one of Walking Dead, using the popularity of the TV show as a springboard, but making something more in-line with the books while focusing on their own original characters.
But every character just felt like a diet Stark, and it’s clear that time and money was spread super thin the second they decided to have multiple POV characters each with their own setting and story.
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one telltale game that went from mediocre to fucking amazing was the batman game. season 1 was bland as fuck, and usually telltales track record is to make a good first season and then fuck it all up the second season, but no, batman season 2 was a huge improvement and i really liked their take on the joker. shame it’s super dead, although i suppose we’ll still be getting TWAU2, but i suspect thats just gonna be vaporware.
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Did they ever finish that one about the detective wolfman?
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thats the one that had a trailer come out last year for season 2, which blew my mind because it was my favorite. who fucking knows if it will ever come out though.
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I keep hearing good things about the second season of Batman. It’s ironic that that’s one of the only Telltale seasons I never looked into after thinking the first was just okay.
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you should give it a shot sometime, depending on how you play batman it can have a buddy cop type feel or a double agent spy thriller, its fun.
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I liked Tales from the Borderlands far far more than I expected to as someone who doesn’t really care about the main series.
I know we’ll never see real continuation beyond random character references in the main games, but I’m happy with where it ended.
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What? Like the Ys games?
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Plenty of Deltarune speculation. Video game development just isn’t as known for episodic discussion as other mediums because it take several years to go anywhere.
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And then there’s this fucking faggot.
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>NNNNNOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN’T JUST PROVE ME WRONG WITH A GOOD EXAMPLE
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Stay determined anon
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he’s right though. the threads are full of wild speculation. it’s exactly what OP asked for.
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I don’t think waifu indie pixelshit can be considered a vidya flagship
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Talking about which queer anthropomorphic animal you want to fuck is not story speculation anon
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>because it take several years to go anywhere
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Someday I’ll have more Dunk and Egg
Someday
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I just want Lyonelbowl put to page. The most kino duel in asoiaf history and we’ll never get to read it
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Strictly speaking you did get to read it. Give Maester Martyn some more dragons for Fire and Blood Volume II!
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>NNNNNOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN’T JUST PROVE ME WRONG WITH A GOOD EXAMPLE
>earthbound shitty clone
>basedjack reaction
you need to be at least 18 to post in this webzone -
This, look at the seethe it brought out
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You deltatroons sure love being associated with MLPshit don’t you
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mad?
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>100 years to chapter 3
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Deltarune is right, but I think Toby will ruin that aspect of it if he releases ch 3-5 at once like he plans. There needs to be time in between chapters to give each part its time to shine.
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3-5 can be part of a bigger arc. Or he’ll go back on it and release one every week.
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Do you have any proof that he will do so, other than rumors and speculation?
From a business model and hype perspective it makes no sense.
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I think you’re technically correct, but I also think it and the fanbase is an embarrassment.
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So just like Game of Thrones
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There are. Metal Gear was one of them
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The Elder Scrolls is technically this, but it’s not character arc based.
The most recent example in games for this is Deltarune.
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Bethesda sees TES story and lore as an excuse for the games, they don’t actually give a shit about it, they aren’t setting up some grand narrative to be revealed and finalized and solved
The average TES fan probably cares more about its story than anyone actually in charge of it
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I’m pretty sure Todd is a huge lore nerd, since he used to (and according to hearsay still does) write the stuff with Kuhlman and Kirkbride, back when he wasn’t the PR-monkey for the whole of Zenimax.
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You think Mr. "Rip off Lord of the Rings" for Oblivion is a huge lore nerd?
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That same man also (allegedly) wrote the Dark Brotherhood questline in Skyrim. Also, pretty much all fantasy universes are derivative of Tolkien to some degree.
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>Also, pretty much all fantasy universes are derivative of Tolkien to some degree.
I’m so sick of this shit. Tolkien "ripped off" folklore and other stories. Ever heard of Der Ring des Nibelungen? It’s a Wagner opera that revolves around a ring with the power to rule everything. Sound familiar? It predates Lord of the Rings by about 100 years. They’re not all ripping off Tolkien. They’re ripping off European folklore. It’s no different from the Japs who also borrow very heavily from Asian folklore for all their shit. But apparently it’s only bad when westerners do it.-
Nah, they’re definitely ripping off Tolkien specifically. People who rip off Star Wars aren’t ripping off Foundation and Dune, they’re ripping off Star Wars.
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There’s superficial resemblance to the LOTR films. That’s it. Almost nothing of substance in TES was taken from LOTR. LOTR did not invent elves and dwarves and even if it did the ones in TES are very different to the ones in LOTR.
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When people say Oblivion is ripping off Lord of the Rings, they are not saying that it is literally using a Tolkien-esque setting, they’re saying that Oblivion deliberately apes the then-recent Lord of the Rings films on an aesthetic and atmospheric level.
You do not hear anything about Skyrim ripping off Lord of the Rings, for instance, despite the fact that it quite clearly is aping bits of the A Song of Ice and Fire books (not series).
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Well shit then. I guess I can just declare almost every single Jap game in existence rips off Dragonball Z then.
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Only Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest.
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>the feel i had a dream last night about creating a porn game with rings of power
Waking up and reading these comments makes the whole thing weird-
>using rings of power as a dark lord to make highborn queens into your sex wraiths
Work it, buddy.
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Yeah that was the first part of the dream.
>Anon is a blacksmith/ practitioner of magic
>Commissioned/forced to make a ring for a high queen on pain of death.
>creates a ring of power, and a master ring in secret.
>he’s brought to the Queen. Blacksmith genuflects on one knee and holds out the ring in the palm of his hand
>the queen reachs out and touchs the ring
>fades to black and this part of the dream ends
Dream ended before it got to the good part
>Fast foward to present day
>Descendant of blacksmith finds his ancestors workshop, bookshops, and master ring
>gameplay is about gathering mats to create a new ring of power to give to capture targets
>write stories for Teacher,Principal, Students,Cops, and Friends
>Feel like i did a good years work
>wake up and realize none of it happened
All the frustration i had in the dreams amplified in reality. I coulda swore i spent a good year in that dream.-
>students
pedoif you want to go back to your dream, just fall asleep while you’re daydreaming about it and it will transition into a normal dream in that setting like 80% of the time
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i meant classmates, but unironically this was an argument in the dream, where anons said the same thing and wanted a different setting entire discussion about wanting it to be kept in medieval time period etc.
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wake up anon.
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What is the fucking point of a high school setting for this? Your dreams suck, anon.
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see
I know, everyone was pooping on the idea in the dream too, but since i believed i already wrote the whole plot down i didnt want to rework it.
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it’s called Shadow of War, just replace the orcs with elves
>mindbreaking people into doing what you want
>building up a harem
>Stoya-
regrettably it was just boring humans. Everyone was angry there was no elves.
I spent half the dream getting yelled at by anons who did like the setting.
Its what made me believe the dream was real-
How do you know the dream wasn’t real, and you aren’t dreaming right now?
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because i realized when i woke up that i never stopped to eat in the dream. It just jumped to me doing work, making models, and getting yelled at by anons of 4han
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Todd is ruled by corporate Bethesda, not the other way around
he tries his best, anon
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Sales data for every single episodic game ever released says you lose player retention with every installment.
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I always wondered why sequels were considered to be the big comfort zone of so many big companies. I know familiar names are more marketable, but it feels like the longer than any series goes on the harder it is to bring in any new people who feel like they’re too far behind.
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This is why many video game series, especially the long running ones with tons of entries, have their titles be connected only by sharing game mechanics, and not by sharing story.
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They simply don’t catch up, you think every person who saw Avengers Endgame saw every MCU movie leading up to it? I personally know a couple people who started watching GoT at S7 and never bothered to see the prior seasons.
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because it’s more expensive than ever to make a big movie/game/TV show/etc and the studios/devs want to make money, so they just copy shit that has been successful before and try to use big names from popular games. They want to make money, they don’t care whether the game is good or original or anything like that, as long as it makes money.
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Following the Mass Effect trilogy was probably the most fun I had following the progression of any series before ME3’s ending kind of murdered any chance of a clear path forward.
I miss that excitement of always feeling like there was another classic Bioware game to look forward to.
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There are people who’ve earned 6 figures at least from youtube from FNAF fan speculation and predictions, though.
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The Secret World was that. The playerbase used to wait for the next episodic batch of content with bated breath because the narrative was unironically great. It’s dead now, though.
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>We will never know how the story ends
Feels batman
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This thread is pretty fuckin cynical considering how almost every AAA game is a narrative in a storyline with prequels and sequels
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For some games the narrative is the focus
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And there are plenty of them. People are just being cynical by feeling like there’s not
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I love games with long, branching narratives. There haven’t been many in recent memory. Telltale is dead and there aren’t many other AAA developers who are willing to sink development time into content only a percentage of their players will see.
Pathfinder has been the most fun narrative adventure I’ve played in recent memory and it’s only like that because mechanics are intertwined with the roleplay.
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I think most modern devs feel that there’s too much risk in banking on a new game being successful enough to guarantee an entire series. So apart from a few plot hooks that may or may not lead to potential sequels, they try to tell fairly conclusive standalone stories.
It’s painful having old classics that ended on cliffhangers that were never followed up on. Or even worse, they are followed up a decade or so later, and it’s a mess.
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FFXIV?
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not true because most lore is laid out per patch, theories are pretty much dead within a year
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Because it’s actually really fucking hard to write that much material if you seriously including branching paths that just radically differed from each other. Instead of basically writing one story with some changing variables, you’re writing over a dozen you then have to animate/voice/make sense of.
That’s why decisions in games like TWD/ME aren’t really all that important and the game ends pretty much the same no matter what you do.
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I mean Half-Life didn’t have any branching at all and people were still excited to see where the story goes
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The other reason is most devs aren’t good writers. David Cage has been trying to impress people with his stories since prior to 2000, and yet he fails every single time. Half life is the exception, it was made by pretty talented people.
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Detroit was pretty good.
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Connor was pretty good and the rest was a mess. Just because it isn’t Indigo Prophecy anymore doesn’t make it good.
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Rance
It already ended though-
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This. And it already bogs any other long running game series out there.
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All the way to the end i believed Rance was Ludo-Rathowm (the whale god).
Explaining rances god tier luck. Im still kinda disappointed he wasnt -
That’s not even full, you are missing his time a primary school, the time he went to space to fuck a retarded girl whilst pirating and numerous times where he usurps the protag role in other games.
The only theory we have now is if 04 will ever exist.
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Developers get tired of making the same game/universe for 10+ years.
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Blows my mind mass effect fags couldn’t see that ending coming from a mile away
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I think people were a least expecting to be able to beat back the reapers with a golden ending through all the work you put into it in the past two games. The games do set up this expectation, there’s two key differences in this cycle that are established: 1, their ability to instantly teleport in and cut off the head of organized leadership in the galaxy at the citadel in a surprise attack stops working and everyone knows they’re coming and have time to prepare. And 2, a lot of the narrative focuses on how the sentient species of the current cycle are much more cooperative and diverse this time around instead of there being one dominant species that can be focused on to bring down the rest. Instead the reapers are still essentially unbeatable without a space MacGuffin to do all the work for you and all of that shit you did before was mostly pointless and only contributed to a point total that only very slightly changes the ending
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>all the work you put into it in the past two games
What work? ME1 was the setup for the trilogy, ME2 was a pointless filler and ME3 was oh shit we need to conclusion to this.
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They all ended up disappointing in every other medium, so games side stepped this
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Kingdom Hearts has been this since the first game
Video Games as a medium are a lot more self contained than tv shows or book series, as sequels are produced without necessarily having the expectation that the player has experienced the previous games
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LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Detroit Become Human was the last big movie game we had.
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whoever likes this series need to be put to a execution range camp or something
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Because retards eat anything up so why bother with actual quality. Look at all the brainlets that defend retcons in long-standing franchises like Fallout. Now imagine a new ASOIAF book that presented the same retcons, would people eat it up?
No one wants to admit it but 99% of people have shit taste and they’re happy to share it with others.-
who cares about retcons if they work in the new game lmao it’s not like it changes anything in the old games, they haven’t changed lol what are you smoking?
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t. Pete Hines
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I’m still waiting for Silksong. Does that count?
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Because writing is hard, you have to pay money for it and companies have realized that they don’t have to pay extra for good writing because most mouth-breathers don’t give a shit.
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The standards are so low in games because most of these people only play games and don’t watch films (other than Hollywood blockbuster crap) or read so they have no sense of perspective. They learned they can just write any old shit and smother it in graphical fidelity with an "epic score!" and people will love it. Games are assessed on visuals and audio primarily.
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No, games are assessed on gameplay.
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If you look at video game journalism, they clearly aren’t.
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Player numbers decide everything, not trannies.
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That doesn’t even sound like a video game. You want TV series imported to computers.
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lmao tendie retard
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They don’t exist because we play video games, not movies. They try them every once in a while, but they always fail because gamers want to play games.
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>meanwhile every best selling game each year is a moviegame
Kek btfo-
Those Avenger movies made a lot of money. They are undoubtedly the highest form of film.
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Nice goalpost move but the original claim was about story games failing
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What story games? Fire Emblem?
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Yeah, GTA V, Minecraft and Fortnite. Dummy. Move to other mediums, this isn’t for you. We vote democratically against you by wanting gameplay.
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> GTA V
Story game
>Minecraft
Outlier
>Fortnite
Free gameWhat was your argument again
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>GTA V
>Story game
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99% of normies play GTA V for the online only. Most haven’t touched the story at all.
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99% of normies play Minecraft for the story mode and Fortnite for the story events
See how easily you can make baseless claims to support your argument
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>Fortnite for the story events
What a ludicrous claim. I’m sure the popularity of all kinds of online shooters are explained by that. People just crave for more STORY, nothing to do with the addictive PvP hook. -
I supported it with as much evidence as you did your claim
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It’s just a different flavor on the same meat and potatoes. Every game gets updates, but you are not playing for the updates itself, it’s the base game which gets those updates that matters.
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You mean Minecraft or Mario Kart 8?
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MGS was this.
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Video games are not a medium for storytelling.
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Yes they are
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Nope. The more narrative there is the less gameplay there is.
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No they can coexist just fine, no one says story in movies gets in the way of cinematography
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They can coexist, but that doesn’t change the fact that narrative takes away from gameplay, even when there is very little narrative.
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Nope, completely false
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It’s right by the simple fact that narrative either distracts or gatekeeps you from gameplay, therefore resulting in less gameplay. A cutscene literally bans you from gameplay for a period of time.
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So does getting up to piss, what’s your point
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wrong
99% of normies play GTA V for the online only. Most haven’t touched the story at all.
because there isn’t a story
>lol crazy guy does meth
>lol rich man’s family is terrible
>lol black guy steals cars-
Nope, I’m right and you’re not and you’re going to have to deal with it
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wrong
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I mean, I agree with you but your argumentative skills are hilarous breh
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I’m not sure if you noticed but all I’m doing is repeating his "arguments" back at him
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XCOM
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>Why are there no successful long running game series with a developing plot and a fandom filled with theories where it might go
Because it’s not a very commercially friendly model for video games. A successful video game franchise tends to have as many points of entry as possible, which makes attracting younger generations of players easier and more sustainable. When you have a long-running plot, you force players to start from the beginning, invest possibly hundreds of hours into a series, and hope that your series can remain relevant across multiple generations of consumers. This leads to promise like said series possibly changing creative direction over time to accommodate changing tastes and market demographics, which may piss off old fans, cause bickering within the fandom, and stifle the series’ growth and success. -
Now that i think about it most game series never have an ending, they just get robooted and retconned forever. Did the original Tomb Raider ever have an ending.
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There are series like that. Or more accurately universes. Instead of following a few characters from a tv show, you follow the universe, the lore so to speak.
At least until the devs ruin it.
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that was suppose to be xenosaga. it was originally going to be a saga, hence the name, of around 6 or maybe more games culminating into a finale. after the first one they put the kibosh on the thing and monolith had to wrap things up in 3 games.
http://xenogearsxenosagastudyguide.blogspot.com/p/the-history-of-xenosaga.html?m=1 -
Rance
Kingdom Hearts
Assassin’s Creed
I guess Far Cry? I’m not sure how it’s supposed to fit together anymore after how 5 ended.-
Oh, also Borderlands
Maybe Mega Man and Castlevania too, but I guess they’re pretty much dead nowadays.
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