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Why did general audiences hate these two games so strongly?
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>inferior product nets inferior results
What’s the question?-
But both games massively improve over their predecessors.
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Based and true
TLOU2 may be bad but TLOU1 was worse -
they are inferior in a sense that they delivered a lesser experience on what people actually liked about these games.
TLOU2 is better gameplay wise but people only cared about the franchise because of the story and the second game fucked that up.
In HM case the first game had small rooms that you could go on a killing spree at your hearts content, basically a power trip, hm2 though it would be cool to have open fields and enemies being able to notice you from ranges you can’t see even after zooming in and a few other things. it is a collection of dlcs put together and it shows.-
>LOU2 is. Enter gameplay wise
You mean all three hours of it that’s not walking and talking?
2 hours if your good at the combat sections according to speed runners -
>filtered by HM2 level design
Every time.
My only complaint was that it’s not as replayable, but it was longer and hard mode was good too.
Both games work together though, I don’t see any reason to separate them.-
>Sequel fundamentally fucks up what was good about the first game
>"Filtered"
Every time.-
Here’s your level design bro
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I’ll take that over being shot off-screen in the mall over and over again until I autistically learned the placement of enemies I couldn’t even see.
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>over and over again
It’s not the game’s fault that you’re retarded-
>Getting shot off screen by shit you can’t react to without pre-knowledge is good game design
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Yes
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yeah because it happens 1-3 times and then you learn to adapt to the situation you actual retard lmao
did you not learn problem solving or spatial awareness skills when you were a kid?
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What’s the point in making these threads when you can just read what people have already said?
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I’ve barely seen anyone draw comparison between these two controversial sequels that subvert audience expectations while being hyperviolent murder sprees.
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HM2 had a better soundtrack than the first one
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Terrible taste
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Hotline 1’s soundtrack was may more cohesive than 2’s which was basically just a greatest synthwave hits album
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BEEP BOOP BOOP BAP BEEP BOOOB BEEB BOOB BAB BAB
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True and based
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>general audiences
only Ganker -
TLoU2 was actual dogshit which tried to do the whole LE SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS incredibly poorly and HLM2 was an amazing game with shitty sections which did LE SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS with actual class, it saw the flaws of the first game narratively/gameplay wise and switched it up enough to actually be engaging and memorable, it wasn’t just changing shit or doing dumb narrative bullshit for the sake of WOW BETCHA DIDN’T EXPECT THAT ONE EHHHH CHIEF???
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Take your meds schizo.
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>I have no argument and am absolutely upset by what was said
>better cry like a fag
lmao pathetic-
tlou1’s trash, cope
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agreed, and 2 is embarrassingly bad compared to that, how the fuck did you possibly get ANY indication of me saying otherwise you fucking retard
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2 was better, just skip cutscenes and turn off sound
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even as far as movie games go it still wasn’t "better" you’re fucking delusional
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>just skip cutscenes
You’d still have to deal with the walky talky sections though, which is half the game. -
>Skip cutscene
>almost 2 minutes of loading
>Turn off sound
>Still have to slowly walk while the characters chat about random shit I don’t care about
It’s still shit
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>general audiences
Funny because "general audiences" bought millions and millions of copies of TLOU2-
Show those sales numbers, if not it still has sold 4 million copies
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So like i said, millions of copies then
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Pretentiousness.
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TLOU2 pulled an MGS2 and had similar results. People wanted a new adventure with the old characters they liked. Not a new game with the creators totally awesome perfect new character. HM2 was great, but people had issues with the fact you could get sniped from off screen on almost every map.
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Because they’re shit.
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HLM2 is better than the first in every way Tbh
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>rape is… LE BAD
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Because the shitch has no games
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One is a movie with shit gameplay, the other have good gameplay downed by bad game designs choices (like offscreen snipers). Very good soundtrack, love roller mobster.
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People hate HM2? Why tho
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Some people just didn’t like how the story went
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Maybe I talked in an echo chamber but I never knew of people disliking HM2 until the last month or so.
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I don’t know, but Hotline Miami 2 is severely underrated
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>Hotline Miami 2
Was it really hated? I personally loved it. -
Hotline Miami 2s levels were incredibly long each one was about 30mins, especially towards the end.
This ruined the pick up and play nature of the game and also took away risky behaviour because the checkpoints were further away.
The Last of Us 2 was pretty much a copy of Last of Us 1 but they focused way to hard on the lesbein story, looked good though
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lots of people like HLM2, its just not as consistent as the first
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I think LoU2 triggered a shift to move on from movie games. There will be plenty of attempted movie game later on, but the clamoring for them has already peaked and other trends will come along.
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>There will be plenty of attempted movie game later on
mainly from a certain company which leads the market sadly, then retard philly spence will try and keep pace which will just lead to absolute dogshit games while nintendo pumps out the most low effort shit out there ever 1/4 of a year -
I hope you’re right, I think it will be most telling what Naughty Dog’s next project will be after Factions 2. I’m just hoping that Druckmann fucks off out of the industry after the HBO show.
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People hated Hotline Miami 2 because the level design is way worse and filled with open areas where the CPU can easily see and kill you. This led to a ton of bullshit offscreen deaths and making the player feel less like a quick and dirty killer but a scared little man hiding around corners trying to kite people out.
People hate The Last of Us 2 because they watched the cutscene where Joel dies and never got over that initial hurdle. The game is an improvement on The Last of Us 1 in literally every department except for the story, and 2’s story is only worse because it’s way less concise.
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>People hated Hotline Miami 2
*Tony twinks hated Hotline Miami 2 -
>This led to a ton of bullshit offscreen deaths and making the player feel less like a quick and dirty killer but a scared little man hiding around corners trying to kite people out.
uhhh DUDE it’s LUDONARRATIVE METAPHOR to… uhhhh… -
>2’s story is only worse because it’s way less concise.
That’s an understatement, it was a bloated mess that overstayed its welcome.
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Was it ever explained how Abby in the TLOU2 was so buff? Like was it confirmed she was a tranny or on hormones or what?
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>Seattle Seahawks training camp combined with military training regimen
>Tons of protein and shit from food gathered in the surrounding area
>Anabolic steroids
Combine that with the fact that most people out in the world haven’t eaten anything but a can of beans and probably spend no time training, along with the backing of whatever her group was named, it’s not impossible that she could’ve gotten that ripped in the post apocalypse. -
She has roid acne so she’s on steroids, like her model. However, it’s kinda weird to imagine that her people have the time to procure and make anabolic steroids for a teenage girl who is mad about her dad.
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Yes, badly, with a daily burrito and bi-weekly gym visits, now if only they would explain why nobody else was as buff as her.
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Both games were extremely unpleasant deconstructions of themselves. People don’t like that, see: The Last Jedi. It really is that simple. However, unlike The Last Jedi, TLOU2 and HM2 actually have redeeming qualities.
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>Both games were extremely unpleasant deconstructions of themselves.
yes
>People don’t like that, see: The Last Jedi
yes
>However, unlike The Last Jedi, TLOU2 and HM2 actually have redeeming qualities.
and only one of them is good.-
Yeah, Hotline Miami 2. TLOU2 actually has fine "gameplay" but there’s only a couple of hours of it in total throughout the 20+ hour experience.
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HM2 is much harder than HM1 and much more dependent on guns. It feels like half the time you die in HM2, you got shot through a window you weren’t paying attention to, and often times it’s from enemies that weren’t even on screen. I’ll admit I thought this was bullshit on my first playthrough but since getting good, the game has been addictive to me and I find HM1 painfully simplistic in comparison. Also people complained that HM2 somehow ruined HM1’s oh so mysterious atmosphere by explaining everything but HM1’s story just feels half done without the context HM2 provides.
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>TLOU2
>Revenge bad! Are you sad yet! We don’t use the word fun! Take our movie game seriously!!!
>HM2
>Revenge bad but damn is it fun. Here, have a flamethrower. -
Hotline Miami 2 had multiple levels where it felt like you were compelled to use a gun or you’d just get off-screen shot down by enemies.
HL1 was very close quarters, all about chaining melee attacks, finishers and throwing weapons in quick succession, with guns often being rare bonus items. This felt way more satisfying to play.
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>tony using beta male detected
you’re an absolute pussy, stop kidding yourself
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rooms were too big in hotline miami 2. dont mind it being harder but being shot off screen just isnt fun man
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Hotline Miami is one of the current peaks of narrative achievement in vidya and uses it’s level design, pacing of said levels, a kaleidoscopic lens of characters murdering across decades to build and expand it’s narrative to end up at what is the only conclusion that is possible between the constant escalation of violence.
TLOU is a movie that uses it’s level design to give a chest high wall shoot out sometimes, it uses it’s non-linear timeline for "oh what innocence our leads have lost", it’s multiple characters is interesting but neither of them killing the other is insane and makes all the prior murder completely fucking pointless. One might say that was the point but Abby’s existence implies any random npc could have a family member go on a revenge quest for them and Ellie did murder hundreds of people for nothing. She doesn’t even have a self defence, kill or be killed defence of her actions like Joel, Ellie just walked into a warzone for a conflict she had no connection too, started in discriminately murdering, and spent the game wondering why she was sad.
Hotline Miami is one of the the best vidya storytelling up to this point as it uses what makes the medium unique, TLOU is a shit movie.
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can’t speak for shitty movie game, but HM2 had a worse campaign than 1 and didn’t launch with the level editor to compensate. I think if people could have done custom levels from the start, the shitty campaign would have gotten more of a pass. look at ass games like Skyrim where people don’t even care about the have itself because all they do is mod the engine to do dumb shit.
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Never played TLOU2. HM2 is a game that looks and feels like a fuck you from the devs to the fans.
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if you’re actually a fan and not a faggot secondary then it actually feels like a love letter outside of the whole off screen window shooting bullshit
thanks for outing yourself-
The game literally ends in an drug-crazed trip where you kill the trippy manifestations of fans (and fan expectations). It’s based.
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‘fan expectations’ died in Act 3, as for the reprise of "killing fans" in the finale I’m still unsure what to take from it. I always took that level as a tongue in cheek but nightmarish take on the sentiment:
>whoa hotline miami is just murder and drugs
and making it literal.not him but HM2 delivers not just "more of the thing you like" via The Fans, but also expands Hotline Miami in various interesting narrative and gameplay styles before ending perfectly.
t. liked the hawaii levels.-
>expands Hotline Miami in various interesting narrative and gameplay styles
I did like how each character had a different play style. I didn’t enjoy all of them, but it did shake things up.
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>it actually feels like a love letter
Elaborate
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>HM2 is a game that looks and feels like a fuck you from the devs to the fans.
Why do people here always say this like this? Hell why does this sentiment exist for a lot of popular media on this site? If a "fuck you fans!!" looks like End of Eva and Hotline Miami 2, according to Ganker that is, I hope more creators tell fans to fuck off.-
>Why do people here always say this like this?
Because the devs said they didn’t want to do a sequel, but fans kept pressuring them into doing it, so they added an overly complex story and many shitty combat situations and literally blew everything up so they’d never have to make another one after it.-
>Because the devs said they didn’t want to do a sequel, but fans kept pressuring them into doing it
they themselves started work on the DLC which became HM2 immediately after HM1.
>so they added an overly complex story
Devs said themselves they knew the Beard/Jacket relationship while making HM1 and I believe I saw pre-HM1 art of Alex
>many shitty combat situations
either you can’t change playstyle or you got filtered.
>and literally blew everything up so they’d never have to make another one after it.
and it was fucking based, Trilogies are overrated. HM2 did everything the series could have done.-
>Trilogies are overrated.
Never asked for a trilogy. In fact, if Hotline Miami was one and done, it would have been perfectly fine. Sequels are overrated.
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Dude what? HLM2 takes everything that made HLM1 good and cranks it up to 11. The first game feels like a fucking tutorial in comparison.
Don’t tell me you actually got filtered because you have the spatial awareness of a potato? Just utilize your peek and understand basic concepts like long lines of sight and object permanence. That’s literally all you need to not get filtered.
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To be fair, one issue with HM2’s (and the first game to a lesser degree) presentation is that telling which objects you can shoot through can sometimes prove problematic. As in, you can shoot through/over cars but not trucks. It’s messy.
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>As in, you can shoot through/over cars but not trucks. It’s messy.
That… makes sense though…. Even if you wouldn’t know how the game would approach something like that, it literally just takes one death (at most) to find out..-
That’s just a clear example. Sometimes things that look like tables aren’t, and others it’s hard to tell in the middle of combat. It just takes a death to learn, sure, but it’s still a flaw that requires memorization to get used to regardless.
Though a lot of HM2 levels really play on the whole rote memorization side of things. I don’t mind it, but I can see how the actual thought process would bother people that enjoyed the first.
There’s a reason why a lot of people hate the Hawaii levels, even though I think that’s HM at its peak.
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>filtered
I still beat the game, unless the definition of filtered has changed.-
Unless you beat it on Hard and got S-ranks then no, you didn’t beat it
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Why is this the requirement?
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It’s like credit feeding through a shmup on the easiest settings and saying you beat it.
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What if I’ve never cared for shmups? Why is Normal difficulty so villified?
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people who got filtered by HM2’s gameplay are subhumans and not worth talking to.
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I played the entirety of 1 and 2 up to stronghold without knowing you could look forward. People who complain about muh unseen enemies are kidding themselves.
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HM2 is pure shit.
One of the greatest appeals of HM1 is the juxtaposition of the omniscience you have as a player against the brutal difficulty of the game. You have perfect information – you can see everything that goes on in the building from a bird’s eye view. To even the odds, you’re up against a ton of guys who are all better equipped and can 1-shot you. The challenge is to figure out and execute the perfect plan that lets you kill everything safely without being harmed. You can choose your route through a building, decide which doors to slam through, and if you fuck up and die it’s your own fault for making a bad plan when you have perfect information.
In HM2, you’re still against an army of guys who can 1 shot you, but you no longer have the benefit of perfect information. Instead of skulking through cramped buildings and being able to set the pace based on the order of rooms you go through, you instead have to travel through open areas while snipers fire at you from offscreen. The only way to find out what tactics will get you killed is now trial & error. You can’t come up with a plan and refine it anymore, your only option is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. The game fundamentally misunderstands what made the first one good.
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TLOU 2 was flatout better than TLOU unless you were filtered by the story
HM2 was flatout better than the first one, full stop
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cant speak for HLM, but for TLoU2 it was
1) They killed big zaddy Joel
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I don’t understand people who complain about Hotline Miami 2’s levels, most of the game is more HM1.
Act 1 was wall to wall HM1 level design with only Pardo’s level breaking away with larger sightlines because he literally starting shooting up a 7/11
Act 2 is similar but has Evan as a pace and thematic changer that slows down the pace to force you into a slightly more deliberate playstyle that matches his character or (you) can choose give up on that, and The Henchman as glass canon among glass canons since the russian mafia is in a delicate position post HM1.
Act 3 has the first war level which is another new playstyle but matches the setting of being in a warzone, Pardo’s 2nd level is another case of him shooting up a place with little thought, both fans levels here are great (except the Bear’s floor in Death Wish imo)
Act 4 is 2 war levels, 1 Evan level, 1 Jake level. So two ‘normal’ levels if you want.
Act 5 is fantastic the whole way through.
Act 6 + Apocalypse is closer to HM1 except Son uses more guns since he is the head of a mafia, of course he has more guns available too him.>3 war levels that change your playstyle or "break pace"
>2 Pardo levels where he shoots up in a bad spot, only 1 of which being hard. Pardo’s 3rd level is great.
>Evan’s levels you can play like HM1 if you really want too.Seems to me people just got filtered by the game being harder, the only levels I remember have difficulty with windows was all 3 war levels, Pardo level 2, and Death Wish Bear.
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