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    • #461573
      Anonymous
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      Why did Mr. House hate democracy? If he was alive before the nuclear war, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-USA?

    • #461574
      Anonymous
      Guest

      because democracy lead to the war in the first place
      makes sense he would be averse to it after the world fucking blowing up

      • #461581
        Anonymous
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        Technically the Fallout series starts after WW2 and it’s an alternate history where the Soviet Union never dies. It’s power mad vs power mad. Before the nuclear death happens, there are already global wars and bioweapons.

      • #461587
        Anonymous
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        But democracy didn’t cause the war, it was resource shortages iirc

        • #461672
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Democracy lead to weak men serving big business coming into power that lead to the resource shortages and the war.

          • #461679
            Anonymous
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            >Pic
            Call me retarded for not getting the point of the quote, but doesn’t democracy, by necessity, favour the collective over the individual?

            • #461680
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >but doesn’t democracy, by necessity, favour the collective over the individual?
              On paper, not in practice.

              • #461690
                Anonymous
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                If I am getting it correctly, due to the nature of the individual getting to vote, they vote to serve their own self interests and if enough people vote for their self interests then the state is obliged to follow those collectively selfish demands rather than what is good for the whole? I do have my problems with democracy (Mainly that not everyone is equipped with understanding complex political issues), but this is the first time I’ve seen it where the individual’s rights is a critique of democracy.

                • #461889
                  Anonymous
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                  Majority don’t vote for their interests, they vote for what they told are their interests. Propaganda works and always did.
                  On the other hand, what about minority who got out-voted? Their interests? Lmao are you a westerner by any chance?

    • #461575
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Fuck democracy

      • #461645
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Fuck Churchill too, he was an alcoholic that sold out Britain and the White race to garden gnomes

    • #461576
      Anonymous
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      Because he’s one capitalist fascist. He thinks he should be in charge because he has the most money and those without wealth should have no say what so ever.

      • #461577
        Anonymous
        Guest

        These fags are why he hates democracy

        • #461579
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >point out exactly what house is doing
          >this is why he hated democracy

          Yes, thank you for your useless input tranny obsessed loser.

      • #461598
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >because he has the most money
        the man worked out biological immortality, saved the city from nukes, built half of the most advanced technology humanity has ever known, what claim do the drug addicts from freeside have to claim a right to equal power and authority?

        Liberalism is the root cause of modern societal decay.

        no that would be neo-communism.

        Because he’s a power-hungry tyrant who picks and chooses the things he wants to keep from the old world and the things he wants to do away with (AKA things that would stop him from establishing full control). He sees himself as superior to the common rabble beneath him due to the fact he’s a pre-war billionaire, and he represents everything awful about the bourgeoisie elite that this game tries so desperately to caricature.

        The people agreeing with him are easily manipulated. House provides thinly-veiled explanations for everything he does to further his own agenda. The only reason to side with him is based off blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland, but we’ve no reason to trust that he will be successful in his plans. The only reason he was able to be successful in the first place was because of the Courier, so the Courier siding with him and not against him and the rest of the factions, is the Courier underselling themselves and carrying on their role as a lackey/delivery boy. Independent is the only true ending.

        this post is what’s known as ressentiment
        >blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland
        Considering everything he’s accomplished by the time you might him this is less blind than any other option. Because Fallout is a video game the protagonist has to be the world’s greatest triggerman, but that’s ultimately the game’s best argument against democracy. It all comes down to who can rally the greatest force (the player) to their cause.

        House says that if you’re truly self-interested you’ll accept being his number-two. And he’s right. Fighting House because I’M DA BIGGEST AND BADDEST CRUMPER OF GITS is how you get tribal africa. With everyone who proposes a system of organisation involving more than 100 people getting clubbed to death for big-headedness. The only reason not to side with House is because his excellence upsets you. Antony was happy to work for Caesar, and that’s why Rome was a winner-state. They conquered shitholes where the Antonys stab the Caesars in their sleep, then Brutus clubs Antony from behind, and so on.

        • #461599
          Anonymous
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          >no that would be neo-communism.
          communism IS liberalism wtf
          do you even know what you’re talking about?

          • #461600
            Anonymous
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            I think Liberalism kind of arguably evolved into communism, but the thing communism has become by now can’t be called liberal at all. How I see it liberalism is just healthy open-mindedness and a natural trait of north-western europeans. communism is an autistic theoretical dream of the ultimate trickle down of prosperity state. and neo-communism is just ressentiment and value inversion and a conspiracy of the wretched to crush the good, true and beautiful.

            • #461601
              Anonymous
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              you’re correct that communism is a logical extension of liberal presuppositions, but liberalism itsel can not be simply boiled down to basic open-mindedness.
              facists, communists, liberals, reactionaries, etc have all been open-minded in one facet or another.

          • #461604
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yes and no. While communism takes some talking points from Liberalism, there are a lot of things Marx has said against liberalism.
            In one of his works, Marx talks about how Liberalism gives the freedom of association, as in you are free to choose to associate or disassociate with whomever. His critique of this is that the choice needs to be reciprocated, the two individuals must be in agreement to associate and he hates the idea of that. That is a dangerous line of thinking that goes against certain core concepts of liberalism. There is a reason why hardcore antifa types love to spout "Liberals get the bullet too".

          • #461606
            Anonymous
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            American education at work

          • #461663
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Ahahaha communism is authoritarian you absolute mentally ill fuck

        • #461602
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >It all comes down to who can rally the greatest force (the player) to their cause.
          House does it through underhanded means. He doesn’t tell the player what the platinum chip contains before he’s already installed the MK2 operating system and then he shows it off in an attempt to intimidate the player. The NCR and the Legion simply send an invitation, House puts on a show.
          >House says that if you’re truly self-interested you’ll accept being his number-two
          Yet another way he’s trying to manipulate the player. He’s too overconfident to believe that a simple courier can be anything more than a right hand man for him, and that’s why he bribes you with a suite and promises of future glories.
          >Fighting House because I’M DA BIGGEST AND BADDEST CRUMPER OF GITS is how you get tribal africa
          Because it’s a video game and a roleplaying game at that, the Courier can definitely be a better choice to run the Strip than House. It’s not fighting House in some sort of dick measuring contest, it’s fighting House because you’re underselling yourself by compromising with a tyrant. It’s like agreeing to be Saddam Hussein’s second in command because you’re too afraid to run Iraq on your own.

          The rest is just pointless nonsense trying to compare House to Caesar when Ancient Rome was nothing like the contexts that shape New Vegas and the philosophies held by House. You sound full of yourself.

          • #461607
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >House does it through underhanded means
            The NCR and The Legion both require you to walk past their soldiers into a place full of flags and banners and signs of their power before you’re able to talk. There’s no pure power. The NCR are supposedly fighting for democracy. If you ask me the whole idea is an underhanded power-grab. Legion and House admit that they’re after power and can put on a more impressive show for it too.
            >Yet another way he’s trying to manipulate the player.
            Manipulation is all around us and never-ending. You could say that this thread is anons attempting to manipulate each other. What’s wrong with greater wills working over lesser ones? Greater wills subsuming and even sublimating lesser ones?

            Again you just sound like you hate the idea of anything being above you to the point you’ll sooner swallow the sugared poison of subjugation with a democratic veneer than submit to something great.
            >the Courier can definitely be a better choice to run the Strip than House
            The courier is boring. Yes of course the option that amounts to [fine write your own fucking ending] *can* be the best one if you just mentally turn on godmode for yourself after the credits and say you used your protagonist powers to create fully automated luxury space communism, but that’s uninteresting and gay. Why even play the game at that point? Just daydream about being god. It’s cheaper and easier.
            >it’s fighting House because you’re underselling yourself by compromising with a tyrant
            What if i like tyranny? What if I’m reading Count Gobineau in another tab right now? What if i believe it’s ethical and just to kill every last brotherhood faggot in the mojave? What if I want to serve the House?
            >It’s like agreeing to be Saddam Hussein’s second in command because you’re too afraid to run Iraq on your own.
            If I were iraqi and had the means i’d coup saddam no question. But House isn’t Saddam. The world belongs to those who would make the most manful use of it.

            • #461614
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >The NCR and The Legion both require you to walk past their soldiers into a place full of flags and banners and signs of their power before you’re able to talk
              This is just sophistry. I cracked up laughing at this argument. Do you really think that the NCR are demonstrating their power by the game requiring you to view drunk NCR soldiers stumbling across the streets of the Strip to get to their embassy? The Legion are another issue entirely. House is very intentionally showing the player just how powerful he has become due to the player’s own ignorance, Caesar is far more predictable and therefore far less intimidating than House had the player already tricked themselves into giving House the chip. There is an argument to be made for Caesar showing off his power, but no, he does it in a far more predictable way. He shows his weakness in the very first time you meet him anyway since he believes that you destroyed the securitron army no matter what you do. Besides, I don’t think you want House to be compared to a ruthless dictator like Sallow, do you? It’s not favorable towards your side any way you wish to put this argument.
              >You could say that this thread is anons attempting to manipulate each other
              Why would you say so?
              And not only that, but what we’re discussing is a video game. We’re not discussing the leadership of an entire region, as in the game.
              >What’s wrong with greater wills working over lesser ones?
              Exactly. Your will is lesser for being manipulated by him, and my will is greater because I recognized his manipulation. You see how that works?
              >Why even play the game at that point?
              It’s literally the closest thing to a canon ending.
              >What if i like tyranny?
              Are you kidding? Do you really like living under oppression? Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
              >The world belongs to those who would make the most manful use of it.
              Exactly, so why aren’t your Courier doing that, anon?

              • #461619
                Anonymous
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                >Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
                Few can understand the morals and ethics of the Legion. Rome started as barbarian tribes too.

                • #461624
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Newsflash, buddy. It’s 2281. No reason to set progress back thousands of years because some fiends are running around in Arizona or because some bald LARPer read a few history books and decided he hated women.

                  • #461626
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >and decided he hated women.
                    I send women on the frontlines with their husbands who can be murdered in brutal ways, while they get to watch the execution while getting raped to death with the final thing they see is the desecrated corpse of their beloved
                    That’s right, I’m an NCR supporter.

                  • #461628
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >It’s 2281.
                    And humanity has been reset to a tribal state. The legion wants to whip it back into shape, the others would rather drag primitive humanity on their coattails.

                    • #461629
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >And humanity has been reset to a tribal state
                      Evidently not, given that there’s functioning casinos and economies not built off slavery or crucifixion.

                      • #461631
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        In decayed, war torn buildings. Primitive. And the Legion as their own economy and currency, backed by gold, silver, and copper. It’s stronger than the NCR dollar, fiat currency.

                      • #461633
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >In decayed, war torn buildings. Primitive.
                        And where exactly do the Legion live? In tents on the top of a hill. Where exactly do they plan on establishing their capital? In those same decayed, primitive, war torn buildings.
                        >It’s stronger than the NCR dollar, fiat currency
                        It’s also a component in a slave-backed economy with no concerns for human rights.

                      • #461638
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >In tents on the top of a hill.
                        What the fuck are you talking about you retard, that’s an military encampment

                        NCR is just modern America living in squalor

                        But NCR has gayrights in the mainland! They banned racism too, except when you hire mercs to harass supermutans, provoking Jacobstown into defending themselves so they can genocide them.
                        or when they can’t tell between feral and normal ghouls.

                      • #461640
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >And where exactly do the Legion live? In tents on the top of a hill
                        That’s a war fort, anon. They occupy 4 states, from the dam, to the western borders of Texas
                        >It’s also a component in a slave-backed economy with no concerns for human rights.
                        It’s still in its founding stage, human rights come later one the the Legion Republic is founded. He’s trying to emulate Rome, don’t forget.

              • #461623
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Are you kidding? Do you really like living under oppression? Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
                It’s better to be gaslit and lied to non stop, given pre-baked copes, slogans and mantras that every bad thing is a result of not enough bootstraps, firm handshakes.
                Team Blue will never get their affordable healtcare for everyone with demilitarizing the police, team red will never get border security or more guns. I mean, keep voting, you’ll eventually get exactly what you vote for, try donating to your favorite politician too!

                • #461627
                  Anonymous
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                  >The bluepill is tasty!
                  You do realize that the Courier isn’t fatigued with American politics the same way you are, right?

                  • #461630
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    If you want freedom go live in freeside, a mumbai

              • #461871
                Anonymous
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                >Your will is lesser for being manipulated by him, and my will is greater because I recognized his manipulation.

            • #461620
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >id coup saddam
              oh, you’re american!

        • #461618
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >neo-communism
          There isn’t a single instance of communism being implemented in the way that the man responsible for the ideology imagined it. Even now, the only major Communist Party in government don’t practise communism, instead practising ‘socialism with Chinese characteristics’, which itself is yet another form of neoliberalism. So what the fuck are you talking about, retard?

          • #461648
            Anonymous
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            >It wasn’t real gommunism 😀
            State your IQ subhuman.

          • #461649
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >neoliberalism
            Do you know what "neoliberalism" is?
            I see it like some classical liberal patches over a keynesian structure, in the way that they allow some free market on the surface but in the end the government owns everything.
            Chinese market is far from free as their goverment can impose restrictions in their markets with just a snap of the fingers and no one would dare to contest those decisions.
            That’s the problem with doing business with fascist and communist governments, let alone all the ethic problems with using quasi-slave labor.
            As for the Communist Party, they indeed believe that accelerating capitalism would bring about socialism eventually. That’s why Marxists like to use the term "late-stage capitalism". Logically they can’t implement scientific marxism verbatim because it’s impossible and goes against the most basic principles of human nature.

            >neocommunism
            It’s a strategy, where basically the revolutionary subject stopped being the worker class but became the intellectual instead and brought about oppresed v/s oppresor struggles in many different dimensions such as man v/s woman, white v/s other races, Christians v/s pagans, straight v/s gay, etc.
            Engels laid some foundations but the whole theory would be developed by Gramsci and Marcuse.

            • #461657
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >American market is far from free as their goverment can impose restrictions in their markets with just a snap of the fingers and no one would dare to contest those decisions

              • #461660
                Anonymous
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                I didn’t imply the USA had a free market either.

          • #461653
            Anonymous
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            >here isn’t a single instance of communism being implemented in the way that the man responsible for the ideology imagined it.
            because it’s an unrealistic pipe dream that’s mostly used by con men to lure the lower class into their revolts with the promise "redistributed wealth" after they win.

          • #461863
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Anon, the stateless "Real Communism" stage is never and will never be reached. Small communes always devolve into hieracy or collapse, and revolutions are almost invariably launched by parties seeking dictatorship.

            The "real communism as Marx envisioned" is like heaven, it’s a promise they never actually have to give you. It’s promised to get people to die establishing a socialist dictatorship, and then afterwards they’re told that it’s the future they’re working towards. Forever. In the late 80’s soviet academics would cope with the imperfections around them by saying that they haven’t perfected comunism yet and that it was still a work in progress to achieve Marx’s vision. The party, obviously, wasn’t about to do anything that undermined their power.

        • #461876
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >no that would be neo-communism
          A word you just made up is the cause of western civilization’s downfall?!?!?

          • #461877
            Anonymous
            Guest

            The phenomena that i’m attempting to describe with the word, not the word.

          • #461878
            Anonymous
            Guest

            He’s not going to blame french revolution, or capitalism, he’ll make up buzzwords using outdated terminology that has no application on real discourse
            >it’s libtards
            >it’s communists (no longer exist)
            >It’s fascists (bombed so thoroughly nobody can even define what fascism is except "government does thing I dislike")
            >It’s literally 1984!

            • #461881
              Anonymous
              Guest

              The problem is and can only be shit leadership and/or a lack of leadership. The people holding the reins of society are nerds, losers, and faggots, who are all inclined to spontaneously rally around communist successor movements and ideologies, which at this point don’t really have anything to do with marx, but they can *feel* that it’s where their guys are at.

              Communists and communism might seem to no longer exist in the first world, but if you ask me that’s because we’re immersed in communism. Look at what all of the closet communists and socialists were working towards in the 20th century. It’s all official and open government goals by now. Anti-colonialism was the fixation of every commie faggot all over the world after 1945, look at the goals and methods of that movement. It’s obvious now that they ARE the government. All of them. All of the ones that matter anyway. Faggots, losers, and weirdos living in the rotting zombie living-corpse of FDR’s global science-faggot empire.

              Is that the answer you expected you homosexual?

              • #461883
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Not the anon you replied to but you are retarded. After 1945 commies said "no" to imperialism? Ever heard of something called Vietnam? The middle east? Quit learning shit on /poo/ through shitposts

                • #461885
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >After 1945 commies said "no" to imperialism?
                  >what the fuck is Berlin

                • #461886
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. This post could be read several ways, all of them wrong.

      • #461613
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >He thinks he should be in charge because he is the only reason New Vegas isn’t a glowing crater
        ftfy

      • #461615
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >He thinks he should be in charge because he has the most money
        Did you distribute your IQ among your friends? He’s Robert House, owner of RobCo. He designed robots, rockets, and the pipboy.
        He’s a capable leader in the nuclear wasteland, he plans to get humanity into space within 200 years, colonising new planets.

      • #461676
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >capitalist fascist
        Kek.

      • #461719
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this is why tranny vegas is shit, attracts faggot with retarded politics

        • #461728
          Anonymous
          Guest

          thinking about transitioning?

          • #461762
            Anonymous
            Guest

            no since i don’t play new vegas, tranny

      • #461799
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >point out exactly what house is doing
        >this is why he hated democracy

        Yes, thank you for your useless input tranny obsessed loser.

        You’re actually retarded and don’t know what fascism is. If anything, his problem is that he’s not interested projecting his authority far enough. Clearly he could make the area around Vegas safer for prospective customers, but he doesn’t want to. Clearly he could kick the locals out of Freeside, but he doesn’t bother even when they’re working directly against his interests and are trying to steal his tech. He’s actually kind of a pushover, honestly.

      • #461812
        Anonymous
        Guest

        He definitely is not a capitalist, at least in his ideals and the society he wants to build.

      • #461849
        Anonymous
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        Capitalism: Privately owned businesses, minimal intervention (antitrust laws).

        Fascism: Privately owned businesses, but the government can tell them to do things on an arbitrary basis "for the public good".

        Socialism: The party literally owns all the businesses.

        > He thinks he should be in charge because he has the most money
        That would be plutocracy.

        • #461857
          Anonymous
          Guest

          In modern socialism all large businesses would be owned by the party and small, local businesses would be run locally by entrepreneurs.
          Honestly, not that much different from modern democracies that sometimes own the rail/postal service, and where I live 95% of food products are imported, produced and sold by 2 corporations so there’s already likely to be some sort of cartel influence
          t. finn

          • #461874
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It was inaccurate for me to say "all" businesses. A food vendor pushing a peroshky cart through red square would be a sole proprietor in the USSR.

            Its true that there’s overlap in the actual practice of the 3 systems. Arguably, America has drifted so far from it’s capitalist roots that it’s effectively fascist now in the level of social policy that is enacted by governments through private businesses. Between fascism and socialism, there’s a hierarchy of government bureaucrats that run society, although in fascism there’s more private wealth to lobby things their way instead of power coming just from the government and the black market.

            It makes sense that "western democracies" and socialism are blurring, the stated intent of the great reset is an end to private property.

      • #461872
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >capitalist fascist
        Retard

      • #461879
        Anonymous
        Guest

        as if the people who are rich cant influence the opinion of the masses.

        • #461880
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Everyone can join a think tank, or sign up for university to become a free thinker immune from propaganda™

    • #461578
      Anonymous
      Guest

      republicanism is only nessisary among contensted power of equals. House has no equals so it would be at best a farce.

    • #461580
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Liberalism is the root cause of modern societal decay.

      • #461583
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this tbqh

    • #461582
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why did Hitler hate democracy? If he was alive during the Weimar Republic, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-SPD?

    • #461584
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because he’s a power-hungry tyrant who picks and chooses the things he wants to keep from the old world and the things he wants to do away with (AKA things that would stop him from establishing full control). He sees himself as superior to the common rabble beneath him due to the fact he’s a pre-war billionaire, and he represents everything awful about the bourgeoisie elite that this game tries so desperately to caricature.

      The people agreeing with him are easily manipulated. House provides thinly-veiled explanations for everything he does to further his own agenda. The only reason to side with him is based off blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland, but we’ve no reason to trust that he will be successful in his plans. The only reason he was able to be successful in the first place was because of the Courier, so the Courier siding with him and not against him and the rest of the factions, is the Courier underselling themselves and carrying on their role as a lackey/delivery boy. Independent is the only true ending.

    • #461585
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He’s intelligent enough to make his own capitalist empire and (almost) predict when the bombs would drop, he’d be smart enough to not believe in propaganda,

    • #461589
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why did Mr. House hate democracy?
      He has 5 int

    • #461590
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Simple, just look at the NCR.

    • #461591
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No, especially given his characterization as someone who feels persecuted and antagonized by anyone in his way, in this case likely the US government a majority of the time.
      He always thought he knew better than others, and during his Pre-war days the others he knew better than were the USA.

    • #461593
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yeah, that mariokart thread person is quite the dictator

      • #461594
        Anonymous
        Guest

        My bad. Wrong thread

    • #461597
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I wish there was an ending where you could kill House and Yesman.

      • #461683
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What would you do after killing Yesman?

        • #461685
          Anonymous
          Guest

          not my problem

        • #461687
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Marry a Mother Deathclaw and jingle jangle my spurs.

          • #461691
            Anonymous
            Guest

            I AM A SNEED KEK
            I NEED A QUICK CHUCK

    • #461603
      Anonymous
      Guest

      because he was based and not a limp dicked pussy

    • #461605
      Anonymous
      Guest

      why does he look like oswald mosley?

    • #461610
      Anonymous
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      He is a libertarian, LibRight in fact, I doubt he carries oligarchical "democracies" of old in his heart.

    • #461611
      Anonymous
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      >If he was alive before the nuclear war, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-USA?
      I can see why you would be confused if you equate Democracy with America. No, just like how there is Pro-American Anti-Democrats today.

    • #461612
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Mr house is the elon musk of the after-apocalyspse world

      • #461622
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Mr. House is who Elon Musk thinks he is. Fantastic is who Elon Musk actually is.

    • #461616
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The only people who oppose Mr. House are the ones with causeless rebellion on their minds. The same type of person that calls Covid a hoax and refuses to wear a mask. No logic, no reason, just mindless contrarianism and opposition to people smarter and better than them.

      • #461621
        Anonymous
        Guest

        You know House is a Libertarian, right?

        • #461625
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I don’t think House is a libertarian. His views are more complicated and obscure than that.

    • #461632
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >give me the chip
      >"no"
      >ITS MINE REEEEEE HOW DARE YOU STUPID MAILMAN
      This loser gets a golf club to the head every time

      • #461634
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >steal from him
        >he gets angry
        whoa….

        • #461636
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Finders keepers

          • #461917
            Anonymous
            Guest

            But House is the one who found it. You are just tasked to do your job as a courier. That’s like your amazon delivery guy deciding that the horse dildo you ordered suddenly belongs to him.

    • #461635
      Anonymous
      Guest

      NCR is just modern America living in squalor

    • #461637
      Anonymous
      Guest

      his bitch brother stole his inheritance and he realized from a young age that the entire system was bullshit, so he built an empire out of underhanded deals and tax evasion.

    • #461639
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I’m convinced that the people who idolize House and Caesar just have suppressed daddy issues. They’re absolutely unable to see just how manipulated they’re being, even when one of the game’s opening lines literally outright states it.

    • #461643
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >ncr is "democratic"
      >corrupt shitheap with a shadow government anyway
      what would be the point of a democratic new vegas if house is just going to pull the strings regardless

    • #461650
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Mr House: "You do what you’re fucking told and you do it now."
      Housefags: "Yes, master".

      • #461651
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Imagine taking orders from an actual abomination.

        • #461656
          Anonymous
          Guest

          b-b-but he told me he will colonize the stars! wtf housebros

        • #461677
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Liches have no right to rule over man

      • #461659
        Anonymous
        Guest

        as opposed to doing the same thing for worse people. you even end up as a retarded robot’s bitch if you pick yes man. don’t get me started on NCR (NTR as i’ve taken to calling them) and the lelgion aka soon to be non-existent once caesar dies.

        • #461664
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >you even end up as a retarded robot’s bitch if you pick yes man
          Wrong. Yes Man is programmed to do exactly as he is told. After the personality upgrade, he’s only able to take orders exclusively from the courier. If anything Yes Man is YOUR bitch, and it will always stay that way Housefag.

          • #461669
            Anonymous
            Guest

            yeah he upgraded his personality just so he could better serve you
            dumbass

    • #461652
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You played wrong Fallout or what?
      Enclave doesn’t look democratic to me and they WAS the USA.

    • #461654
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Democracy is a shit system that doesn’t work, which is why all modern democracies are just oligarchies

      • #461665
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yes, but as the saying goes "Democracy is the worst system of government except for all the others." I don’t think it’s a coincidence that with the growth of liberal democracy we’ve seen massive leaps in almost everything about human standards of living and where there is no liberal democracy you find poverty, suffering and just a general all round shithole.

      • #461740
        Anonymous
        Guest

        democracy doesnt work in capitalism because capitalism gives too good an alternative method of power consolidation. The general idea of democracy is fine, but when the politicians need corporate backing to even run for office the idea that its anything but a government approved by the top 0.001% goes out the window.

    • #461668
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Take a look out the window of the lucky 38 and see what democracy has given house

      • #461678
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Braindead melanoidcattle to milk dry because they ignore their luck 1 on vigor tester machine?
        It’s a bit like gacha games milking cretins for the glory of CCP

    • #461671
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I really REALLLY dont want to kill Mr. House. Can someone slightly spoil me the ending if I follow this man?

      • #461675
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Just play the game

        • #461688
          Anonymous
          Guest
          • #461692
            Anonymous
            Guest

            NCR

          • #461694
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Whats the getting cucked ending then
            NCR
            >ending slide overrides player race to african american making you NCR’s pet melanoid
            >Cass literally cuckolds you with some random NCR soldier
            >for your efforts in unfucking NCR’s shit that are only possible for a demigod with mastery of chim you get awarded a golden twig "medal"
            >Nobody remembers who you are
            >you get a "unpaid taxes" invoice.

            • #461700
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Pffft thanks for doing my job for me, mailman. Who were you again? Anyway, I’ve got some medals to receive so fuck out of the way.

            • #461708
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >>Cass literally cuckolds you with some random NCR soldier
              I love the way you incels unironically consider female characters having sex with anyone other than the player character to be "cuckolding". For fuck’s sake, I once saw a group of you retards genuinely argue the player character’s mother having sex with the player character’s father in a porn game was the player being "cucked". You guys have completely gone off the deep end.

              • #461713
                Anonymous
                Guest

                t. cuck

                • #461717
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  We’re all cucks because in order for us to exist our mother fucked out father and by incel standards that means we’ve all been cucked.

                  • #461723
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    You’re the only one bringing up weird incest shit, cuck. Ease off the porn.

                    • #461724
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >female character sleeps with someone who is not player character
                      >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I’M BEING KEKED!
                      You’re the one fucked in the head here, buddy.

                      • #461726
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Settle down.

                      • #461738
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >female character a lot of players enjoyed has her story end with "she wanted to fuck the courier, but then she couldn’t find you so she fucked a random dude instead lol"
                        now what does the "C" in NCR mean again

                      • #461745
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        >>female character a lot of players enjoyed
                        So that means she owes you sex then? Like I said, completely fucked in the head.

                      • #461747
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        her entire character is "i’m such a slut teehee" and "drinks a lot".

                      • #461749
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        top fuckin kek, that sounds pretty normal
                        only retard virgins obsess with one woman

                      • #461755
                        Anonymous
                        Guest

                        Check the ending slide transcript, she fucks a random trooper in Courier’s room, in courier’s bed

              • #461715
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Cass looks for courier
                >doesn’t find him
                >finds a random NCR soldier instead
                >Not cuckoldry
                The courier doesn’t enter the scene to turn it into a threesome either.

          • #461695
            Anonymous
            Guest

            ncr

          • #461704
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Spoon feed me so i can talk
            Nah fuck you melanoid

            • #461706
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I already got my response
              Now die mad melanoid

      • #461681
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >cuck the legion
        >cuck the brotherhood of steel
        >help the ncr, and then cuck them
        >new vegas remains independent and free
        >house controls the hoover dam
        >kings control freeside if you help them btfo the ncr

    • #461689
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Housefag logic:
      >monitor man = smart and good
      >monitor man smarter than me
      >me win dam for monitor man
      >monitor man go to outer space
      >monitor man bring society back
      >me like monitor man new robots
      >why are people afraid of monitor man?

      Actually, take back what I said. It makes perfect sense why you would side with House with a low INT build.

    • #461702
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Never forget
      WE ARE THE SNEEDCLAVE
      https://youtu.be/PB-VXuBz3lk

    • #461711
      Anonymous
      Guest

      the only logical reason anyone would dislike Mr House is ego
      people want to be the ultra special protagonist that rules the world that’s why Indepent is so popular despite you being just some Courier with no political or socieconomical knowledge
      idiots will accept anarchy as long as they get to stroke their ego and feel like the baddest retard around

      • #461721
        Anonymous
        Guest

        this

      • #461732
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >he actually thinks house will colonize the stars
        >he actually thinks house will reinvigorate technology development
        >he actually thinks house will maintain human rights under his government
        >he actually thinks house cares about the care more than merely being a means to an end
        >he actually thinks the people who don’t trust house are just feeding their own ego while not stroking his

        • #461742
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Who cares, being the right hand man of an untouchable dictator is free real estate

        • #461753
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >his government
          his government is essentially 5 or so buildings with slot machines in it and no, he’s never going to start some revilization of human development or industrialization or whatever, he just wants you to get him his USB drive so he can keep being the dumb guy he has been for the past 200 years while taking money from people in his casinos and going "haha me so smart, everyone else so dumb!" while about to get backstabbed by his closest allies

        • #461764
          Anonymous
          Guest

          as oppossed to your Courier doing all of that?
          if your headcanon is that a random Courier is a divine being with unlimited power then good for you, delusion is pretty common for brainlets

          • #461773
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >as oppossed to your Courier doing all of that?
            My Courier’s not trying to convince anyone with that he’s going to colonize other planets within years. He’s not making any promises, which is what Mr. House is doing.
            On top of this, I trust my Courier much more than I do Mr. House, as my Courier isn’t a tyrannical autocrat who installs martial law just to show how big his dick is to the NCR and the Legion.

            • #461783
              Anonymous
              Guest

              so your Courier is a faggot that kills mankind’s best hope for recovery because he threatens your fragile ego
              and then you make no effort to improve the world

              • #461792
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Yes.

              • #461836
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I keep hearing Housefags call him mankind’s best hope for recovery but I never hear any solid arguments why.

                What makes you think that he’s speaking the truth?
                What makes you think that he will be able to carry out the promises he makes?
                What makes you think that there isn’t any unwanted caveats to those promises?
                What makes you think House even cares about the people living under him?
                What makes you think that giving complete unwarranted power to someone who hasn’t been outside of a chamber in 200 years is a good idea?
                What makes you think that House is any more cut out to deal with the aftermath of nuclear annihilation than anyone else?
                What makes you think that House’s search for profit wouldn’t corrupt him later down the line?
                And what makes you think that your courier will be able to defeat him after the ending when he’s already been slowly upgrading his arsenal to defend himself against an attack from the courier?

                I just don’t see a good reason why anyone would trust House, especially over their own Courier. House might seem like he’s got a good hand of cards, but without the Courier being the catalyst for his plans they would’ve failed as Benny had already secured the Platinum Chip and hacked one of House’s securitrons allowing him into House’s network (how he located the Courier). House is a lucky brainlet whose plans never fully materialize. Even with the nuclear warheads he was only able to disarm or destroy 68 out of 77 of them, and wasn’t able to upgrade his operating system in time to avoid being put into a coma for half a century.

                On top of this, House doesn’t like democracy. He likes to have full control over Vegas, because he views it as his property. If you can’t see the problem with this then you’re just retarded, sorry.

                • #461845
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >What makes you think that he’s speaking the truth?
                  Trust, also hindsight. He does exactly what he says he’s going to do with the timeframe we’ve established in the ending slides. Peace comes to the majority of the Mojave, and I get to live lavishly as House’s right hand man in an air-conditioned apartment with my Cyberdog.
                  >What makes you think that he will be able to carry out the promises he makes?
                  Money. That and again, trust. He’s proved himself to be a desicive man many times over, his calcuations for the Great War, the Legions predictable assault as well as attempted assassination of the NCR President were all accurate, not to mention his business attitude. He’s a businessman at heart, and dissapointing your shareholders as a business is not a good move.
                  >What makes you think that there isn’t any unwanted caveats to those promises?
                  Why should I give a shit? As the ending, and even House’s final comments after the Second Battle clearly establish, he thinks very highly of me and thus, any adverse caveats would be negligble when it comes to affecting me, or otherwise non-existent because of House’s aforementioned precision.
                  >What makes you think House even cares about the people living under him?
                  The fact that he spares the King’s if they incite war with the NCR, the fact that he comped me a room pretty much in his home, etc. 1/2.

                  • #461851
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    >What makes you think that giving complete unwarranted power to someone who hasn’t been outside of a chamber in 200 years is a good idea?
                    It’s worked so far. Last I checked, the problems only arised once the NCR, like the fucking idiots they are, decided to overextend themselves into Vegas and, with all the grace of a bull, attempts to "finesse" Vegas from House’s control, which he has repeatedly ignored and/or used to his favor. House’s only threats prior to Courier intervention is the looming threat of the Legion which would have promptly been handled by the NCR’s horde.
                    >What makes you think that House is any more cut out to deal with the aftermath of nuclear annihilation than anyone else?
                    Worked for 200 years.
                    >What makes you think that House’s search for profit wouldn’t corrupt him later down the line?
                    He didn’t have an incentive for profit post 2077, dumbass. His only goal by that point was to use Vegas as a catalyst to leave the folly of "rebuilding" behind and to instead look for greener pastures.
                    >And what makes you think that your courier will be able to defeat him after the ending when he’s already been slowly upgrading his arsenal to defend himself against an attack from the courier?
                    I wouldn’t??? Why the fuck would I attack the man who gave me a home, a job, and lets me live as I see fit? The only thing House asks of you is some simple shit to move his plan in motion, then you can live in comfort inside the penthouse creampie-ing Sarah and Red Lucy for fun.

                • #461858
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  House, being the CEO of Robco, was basically the Shadow president of the United States. The safehouse project moved forward because of him, the ultimate goal of which was to determine how best to proceed with a space colony (leaving earth is House’s stated plan). Couple that with the fact that he had a hand in starting the war with China and could have easily prevented the devastation the Great War wreaked on the USA and you could easily argue that House is the main antagonist of the whole series.

                  House is a snake, but he’s also a pickle in a jar. House knows he needs a human agent to get shit done. The Courier can trust House, but everyone else is fucked.

    • #461730
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Cass survived to see the NCR flag flying proud over Hoover Dam, and thought for a moment… this is what a hero must feel like. She was about to tell the Courier not to get too proud of himself/herself, then she figured he/she knew that already That night, Cass kicked in the door of his room to celebrate, only to find the man on the bed was an NCR soldier whose barracks had been destroyed. He was cute, though, so after having her way with him, she got the hell out, leaving an empty whiskey bottle as a note. As she walked along the Dam in the night, she felt drunk, content, and happy to be alive. Which to her, was the whole point of it all
      >courier gets cucked out of his own room
      Jesus, imagine being an NCR supporter.

    • #461733
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >ncr
      no
      >house
      no
      >yes man
      no
      >legion
      no
      >cloud
      yes

      • #461921
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Based shizo

    • #461736
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The new slave girls are quiet beautiful.

      • #461751
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Legion affiliated town
        >Legion comes in, kills drug addicts, all bandits are crucified
        >They demand reasonable produce quotas to sustain their army
        >Live a safe and basic life
        >If an abusive centurion starts nonsensical shit you contact a frumentarius, Caesar gets angry, guy gets quartered
        >Life is good
        NCR town
        >live in squalor
        >taxes suddenly rise on top of paying tributes to bandits that raid the town non stop
        >turns out the tax collectors were murdered by a different bunch of bandits who stole their job, harass the town and make it seem good on paper by sending back shares to NCR
        >No help in sight
        >Legion comes in
        >hope they behead me instead of crucifixion

        • #461759
          Anonymous
          Guest

          but dey hav slave so bad

        • #461761
          Anonymous
          Guest

          you forgot the part where the legionaries take all the women and children as sex slaves
          including the male children
          especially the male children

          • #461772
            Anonymous
            Guest

            That’s tribals.
            >sex slaves
            You’re confusing multiple things.
            Sex in the legion (the army) is purely utilitarian, troops have birth rate quotas to meet yearly.
            They rape not because they like to but because it’s an efficient demoralization tactic to capture a ranger and rape her to death in full view of NCR patrols.
            Raping slaves is nonsensical, like keying your own car.

            I have yet to see anyone make any convincing arguments against Mr. House. Again it’s just people lashing out against authority for the sake of it.

            he doesn’t give headpats and tells you to kill the brotherhoodrats of steal

            • #461785
              Anonymous
              Guest

              in the khans legion ending the women were sold as wives to legion officers, so yes they do deal in literal sex slaves.

              • #461787
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Wives
                >sex slaves
                Dilate.

                • #461793
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  >a human sold as property isn’t a slave
                  sneed, slavery is based, call it what it is.

                  • #461842
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    A woman is not a full human. So she can’t be considered a real slave.more like a pet.

    • #461743
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Nothing is more cringe and immersion breaking than forced romance shit in video games.
      I fucking hate bioshit for starting all that.

      • #461757
        Anonymous
        Guest

        But "bioshit" have never had a forced romance. You can just tell everyone "Sorry, not interested." and that’s the end of it. The only RPGs I’ve ever played that force romance is almost every JRPG in existence and CDPR’s shit.

        • #461766
          Anonymous
          Guest

          CDPR’s romances aren’t forced at all since they tie into geralt’s character and you’re roleplaying as geralt. For blank slate characters it’s very different, and saying "But "bioshit" have never had a forced romance" just comes off as ingenuine since those games all have like 5 romanceable parters every time, and they usually have a real romance buffet for all kinds of fetishes and sexualities. It’s cringe.

          • #461775
            Anonymous
            Guest

            And I say to call a one time offer you can reject and then it’s never, ever brought up again "forced romance" is "ingenuine". You never see any "cringe" shit unless you say "Yes" in which case that’s your fault, you fucking retard.

      • #461770
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It almost never is forced but I agree
        Ever since Dragon Age Inquisition I decided to absolutely NEVER go for any romance option for the main character.
        List includes all Life is Strange games, Mass Effect, random JRPGs, the last TWD game and Stardew Valley – which I had no idea you can befriend the monster in the sewers and invite him to live w/ you.
        Romance in videogames was a fucking mistake

    • #461768
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I have yet to see anyone make any convincing arguments against Mr. House. Again it’s just people lashing out against authority for the sake of it.

      • #461774
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >gaslighting
        You’re just upset the general opinion of House is negative since he’s just a cold, uncaring pre-war businessman who you’re supposed to handle the keys to his kingdom which he’s too incompetent to secure himself.

        • #461777
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >the general opinion of House is negative
          You wish lmao

          • #461795
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >You wish lmao
            lawful evil characters are typically not the player choice unless you’re on an edgelord contrarian forum like Ganker

            the devs have expressed (but not claimed canon) that independent vegas is canon, and NCR is closer to lawful good and neutral than house, and 99% of players prefer to play as good characters, so the people who side with house tend to be either roleplayers or chaotic neutrals or people that are easily moved by personalities, since he’s clearly the character with the most effort put into their presentation

      • #461779
        Anonymous
        Guest

        There’s literally nothing anyone can say that will convince you because you’re stuck believing that you’re some kind of intellectual when in reality everyone can see that you have the naivete of a child.

    • #461781
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No, the USA in Fallout was very shallow. The elite were all rabidly capitalistic and nationalism was mostly used as an excuse to make the poor go to war over resources. House was so unconcerned with the well-being of others that he let the Great War destroy the US when his air defenses had a 90% success rate while working at half capacity. It wasn’t even a matter of getting his patents funded and deployed, he just let everyone fucking die.

    • #461789
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No one above 80IQ is pro-usa, not even in fiction

    • #461803
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Taxes

      • #461817
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Taxes are truly the greatest crime against humanity to have ever been legalized

    • #461805
      Anonymous
      Guest

      All people are equal, inequality only exists in the heads of lazy people.
      diverse folk are lazy not because they are black but because they are lazy and their culture is the culture of lazyness and doing fuck all.
      Culture is not a genetic thing and the mindset that "inequality exists" can be changed if one wants to change it.
      Thus, diverse folk and people who worship diverse folk do not want to change, they want to be lazy, immature and want others to do things for them.
      Neither democracy, neither communism, neither any other system can fuction if it’s full of lazy scumbags who refuse to work.
      Consumerism is cancer because it breeds lazy people.

      • #461810
        Anonymous
        Guest

        All people are equal, inequality only exists in the heads of lazy people.
        Americans are lazy not because they are mutts but because they are lazy and their culture is the culture of lazyness and doing fuck all.
        Culture is not a genetic thing and the mindset that "inequality exists" can be changed if one wants to change it.
        Thus, americans and people who worship americans do not want to change, they want to be lazy, immature and want others to do things for them.
        Neither democracy, neither communism, neither any other system can fuction if it’s full of lazy scumbags who refuse to work.
        Consumerism is cancer because it breeds lazy people.

      • #461854
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >All people are equal, inequality only exists in the heads of lazy people.
        This is what liberals actually believed, until they decided instead of personal laziness things were caused by sinister forces of systemic racism or sexism.

        People simply arent equal. They all deserve to be treated with dignity, but they arent equal.

    • #461807
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I would imagine every post-war educated human would hate "democracy" or whatever it eventually breeds.

    • #461820
      Anonymous
      Guest

      There sure are a lot of ChiComs on Ganker these days, Holy shit.

    • #461822
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The Master was right. Take the Unity pill today.

    • #461827
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://youtu.be/5zshYe6Agzk
      For a "video game rap"
      This video actually rather accurately condenses house’s motivations and beliefs into a little jiggle surprising well

      • #461830
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Well-Rounded Special stats
        >use intense training for high LCK and STR
        >Side with House everytime
        Oh yeah baby, it’s gambling and killing in Nevada time.

        • #461848
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Crit melee build?

      • #461850
        Anonymous
        Guest

        what the fuck is this autism

    • #461838
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >implying US was a democracy after selling the Federal Reserve to garden gnomes

    • #461846
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Fallout sucks.

    • #461847
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The fact that we can all legitimately argue about what of the 4 different possibilities for new vegas would be best and all bring valid points and counter point for all said factions is a testimony to new vegas’s quality.
      It also goes to show that the biggest regret from the devs was not showing showing a more indepth look at the legion and how it works runs land internally is another major check to the devs integrity to explore all political possibilities from a objective stand point, they take a very clinical and genuinely interested approach in the same way a historian would try to find out how a ancient civilizations functioned and why they formed the way they did

      • #461852
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Cringe
        There’s threads arguing about Skyrim’s ending every week or so
        There’s threads arguing about Mass Effect 3’s ending every so often
        There’s threads arguing about just about any game with multiple endings

        Designing a game with multiple endings and multiple reasons for each side of the dilemma is not a hard job or a masterwork in game design.

        • #461855
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Skyrim’s ending
          You mean the civil war, right?
          >Mass Effect 3’s ending every so often
          I’ll concede to that, see pic related.
          Also not him, but I agree with both of you somewhat. While you’re correct that theres discussions about ME3’s and Skyrim’s plotlines, the NV discussions are about the factions themselves, unironically ME3 endings just boil down to "Blue good! Red Good! Green Good!" Ad infinitum

        • #461859
          Anonymous
          Guest

          No it isn’t, but most don’t put in an iota of the effort that New Vegas has.

        • #461860
          Anonymous
          Guest

          a single effortposter in a NV thread types more words than those threads have overall in a week

    • #461861
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The most untrue thing Mr. House has ever told me is that cats are extinct.

    • #461867
      Anonymous
      Guest

      all l*lberts get the golf club

    • #461884
      Anonymous
      Guest

      READ HOPPE

    • #461887
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s pretty obvious why he hates democracy after having to live in modern day America.

    • #461888
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The one thing that people never consider is that the Mojave has the potential to change in an independent ending into something that could potentially be better than any of the 3 factions. The Mojave is essentially in an uncolonized area of new land, just like California in Fallout 1, and so the implication is heavily hinted at that it can eventually form a new nation (especially with the introduction which goes heavy on how California was just a bunch of tribes until they united, just like the Mojave is currently a bunch of tribes). If you go with any faction goal, you kill this potential in favour of expanding the territories of existing states; states which ultimately arose out of the same process the Mojave is currently undergoing (caesar uniting tribes through war, and, again, the ncr being the result of the unification of the california seen in 1 and 2). Some of the endgame slides even directly state this, such as the new country/empire of prosperity that the khans and followers form together in one of their endings.
      If you go independent, it doesnt mean at all that the place stays as tribes. It just means that you’re forcing out invasive colonists so that the Mojave can develop naturally as opposed to being exploited by foreign powers for its resources.

      I think most people really miss the anti-colonial theme that was pushed hard in this game and just assume that the intention of independent is Vegas staying in anarchy, when it obviously isn’t the case. The developers were smarter than that and put a ton of hints all throughout the game. The beauty of the independence ending isn’t you ruling new vegas as a dictator (which the game never even says, that’s just headcanon people force insert), it’s that it leaves open potential for the area to grow, whereas otherwise you’d be killing whatever could arise before it could be born if you went with a faction ending.

      • #461890
        Anonymous
        Guest

        It’s also pretty telling that almost every Mojave based faction absolutely hates the two invading nations. Good springs has no idea who Caesar’s legion is and is passive aggressive to the NCR, which is shown when sunny says how she thinks the legion is a boogie man made up by the ncr to give them an excuse to enter the territory. Primm hates the ncr and if you talk to the citizens after siding with them they’ll complain about how they have to pay taxes now because of you. The entirety of the strip and fireside also hates all three factions and almost every single major character there complains. And those are just the civilized towns that are left alone; the rest of the wasteland is in open hostility with the factions, such as the mutants in jacobstown and black mountain, the khans, the brotherhood, the boomers, etc. The entire theme of New Vegas is that there are already people living in Mojave, and the people from Arizona and California aren’t really appreciated by any of them since they’re just there to use their resources and exploit the people for profit.

        The endings of New Vegas isn’t a question of who’s "best for the Mojave," because the Mojave evidently doesn’t want outside help and every group is functioning on their own without the bigger states imposing rules. Unless you go independent, in which case you’re actually supporting the Mojave, the question for the player endings is just which set of ideals do you agree with and wish to enforce on an unwilling, unsettled population. There’s no "good ending" because none of those situations are good. The game is a message on how colonialism sucks and how "war never changes." The U.S. and China fucked over Canada for their oil, and now 200 years later the NCR and the Legion fuck over the Mojave for it’s electricity and wealth. You the player ultimately get to choose: break the cycle, or fall in line and pick a side.

        • #461891
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You don’t break the cycle in any way, anarchy end is a part of cycle, House is a part of cycle.

          • #461892
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yep, and that’s another part of the theme. The NCR was once tribes too, but now they’re acting as an opposing force on other tribals; they became the thing that they originally were antagonized by in the form of the khans and super mutants and raiders in Fallout 1, and New Vegas may eventually become the same thing given enough time.
            Evidently war will still happen after the independent ending because you cant end it and it never changes, but the point of the independent ending is the player saying "no" to the Mojave being used by outside forces. It’s a direct way of going against the cycle of exploitation, even if it isn’t permanent and will likely just give way to yet another state/nation that will inevitably repeat the cycle after the courier is dead.

            War never changes.

    • #461893
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Anarchy is a copout
      >decisions too hard, I hope someone post-ending comes in and solves shit for me
      They should’ve kept the original failsafe ending as talking to Major Gay at mojave outpost and telling him you want out/swimming across the colorado river

      • #461894
        Anonymous
        Guest

        They put it in so that you could kill every single NPC. Cant do that ending while keeping that feature since you need knight. Yes Man’s plot armor and him always being on your side let them implement a really cool feature and still have the game be 100% playable. It’s like what morrowind did except instead of having to reload you can keep playing no matter what and still have content. Its dope.

        • #461895
          Anonymous
          Guest

          They only had the idea, but gave up on it because how close it is to goodsprings and how retarded journalists are.
          You could always loot the exit key from knight’s body, open the gate to the highway, and continue murder spree in NCR

    • #461896
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >lived through the absolute worst times of a political system
      >saw how democracy induced paranoia, started wars, oppressed its citizens
      >inherently too short-sighted to follow any kind of long-term goal at least trying to solve the limited ressource problem
      >being pro-USA when he was probably informed about what the Enclave has been doing as well

      Why would he be anything, but against the USA and its political system?

    • #461897
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Conservatives and libertarians always hate democracy, because they lose in free and fair elections and they only care about themselves and not the civilization they live in.

      • #461898
        Anonymous
        Guest

        If you add the qualifier that this only applies to the USA, I’d agree.

    • #461899
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >he was alive before the nuclear war, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-USA?
      If anything being alive before the war would make him more likely to be anti-democracy. The pre-war Fallout world was an absolute shitshow where most developed nations were either going down in flames or just about to go down in flames thanks to democratically elected leaders fucking everything up on a global scale.

    • #461900
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Imagine being a girl and getting captured by a legion scouting party composed of fit, virile and pent-up low level legionaries
      haha

    • #461903
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Fuck all of you
      If mr house can get food ok the table and clean water
      Id fucking follow him even If he was a pedophile i am not a child i dont care about them at all.

      • #461905
        Anonymous
        Guest

        you get food from ncr, that’s the whole point – it’s a fucking desert. You need to trade with ncr or you will starve.

        • #461907
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Fuck their taxes
          Eat my ass dude

          • #461915
            Anonymous
            Guest

            You will eat yours first. Or raider cannibals will eat it. Lmao, pay your taxes cuck.

    • #461904
      Anonymous
      Guest

      the best form of government is a benevolent dictator. House knows this, and the only reason he supported democracy was because such a system has no means of succession. When House became clinically immortal, he solved this issue and was able to pursue his agenda.

      House isn’t just whats best for the wasteland, he is whats best for the entire world. Even if he were to die he would be able to pass on his life sustaining technology to his successor, and so on, each one reigning several hundred years.

    • #461906
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why are people scared of a true Libertarian society?

      • #461911
        Anonymous
        Guest

        brainwashing

      • #461914
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >scared
        Warlord era china was based land of infinite adventures and friendship, but nobody thinks it was the end-all be all ultimate system of existence

    • #461908
      Anonymous
      Guest

      my favorite ending is house but I’m leftist, what do

      • #461909
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Become Nazbol

      • #461910
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Stop riding government dick, learn how economics work and try actually living in an impoverished area.

      • #461912
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Stop calling yourself a leftist.
        Leave the left right slider.

      • #461918
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Wat do you mean? Fallout is set in the post-apocalypse. Political ideologies like leftism don’t really work in that context anymore. You do what is pragmatic and best for the future of humanity.

    • #461913
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Because when you’re rich enough you don’t have to give a single shit about democracy.

      • #461919
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Was Hyde based?

    • #461916
      Anonymous
      Guest

      He lived in a time of corrupt, degenerate politicians and corporations. He knows what sort of people get elected. Hell, if he happened to forget he could just look at the NCR.

    • #461922
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Why did Mr. House hate democracy?
      Because democracy creates regulations and House is a casino owner.

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