Could you face your shadow and gain a Persona in front of your family or loved ones?
if you say "I have no one" then you just get automatically eaten by shadows
Could you face your shadow and gain a Persona in front of your family or loved ones?
Could you face your shadow and gain a Persona in front of your family or loved ones?
if you say "I have no one" then you just get automatically eaten by shadows
Sure but only if said persona is a Mara. I’d like one with a cool hat too if possible.
Why Mara anon?
>strong demon
>”manly” beyond comparison
>good lover
>faithful
>grants deepest and darkest desires
>A good ride in more ways than one
I’m rigid in my thinking and rise to meet the expectations that I am a freak. But I shall stand tall and erect regardless. I like her hat too
I don't buy you BS. It's because he's a giant penis.
Guilty as charged
>In Buddhist cosmology, Mara is associated with death, rebirth and desire.[2] Nyanaponika Thera has described Mara as "the personification of the forces antagonistic to enlightenment."[3]
actually works very well in terms of shadow selves
considering shadows are literally fragments of Nyx it can't be that easy, right?
>considering shadows are literally fragments of Nyx
What
didn't realize this thread was still up lol, anyway its from the persona 3 club book
>https://ask-persona.tumblr.com/post/99861586798/persona-3-club-book-world-guide-qa-translation
Probably not. I already see myself as a no life loser, who has no skills. I'm really not sure what my Shadow self would even be like. I guess it would be rude or something since I always put up a polite front.
Brother….
If it's in front of your family it'd probably say stuff like how you're a burden to your family, waste of space, underachiever, etc. then, stuff that they likely already know but just doesn't rub in front of you.
The thing with "persona getting" or however you want to call it, is that it comes with the added implication that the character will try to work these issues and become a better person altogether, but what if a person accepts that reality of them as more of a resignation? Isnt that also accepting your shadow?
What if Mitsuo accepted his own shadow?
>Yes you ARE me, im completely empty, I have nothing going on with my life except for videogames to fill the void in my soul, im a big baby throwing a tantrum trying to get someone, anyone, to notice me and I dont care if I have to kill someone to get it.
Dude might as well kill himself once he is out of the tv world if he came to the realization.
isnt this what adachi did? qctually what did adachi do in his boss fight he has yellow eyes
Got a powerup and then possessed by Ameno Sagiri.
Adachi never had to face his shadow because the persona was personally gifted to him by Izanami. She gave him and Yu cheat codes
His shadow is Teddie
But that's just a theory
what if you're not resigned to just accept your shitty fate but instead you just see it as your life, maybe you like it maybe you don't but you don't hate it for sure. That wouldn't be bad since it's only bad if you think it is.
This. Writers can't deal with self aware losers so they always need to pretend everyone thinks they are the greatest ever to face some realization later. Or is this just how normies think?
Actual Jungfag here.
These anons have a point: the conflict with the shadow is caused by a stronger identification with your Ego, but not everyone is like the P4 kids.
If you are already somebody who has accepted that the Ego is not equivalent to the Self, then the Shadow isn't going to tell you anything you didn't already know and passively accept as originating from you. Of course admitting these things to other people is a completely different story, but that's less about self-acceptance and more about social standing.
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Mitsuo_Kubo
>in denial about his own internal ennui and lack of potential
>keeps attempting to reinforce this idea with a strong delusion
Opposite of those anons. But don't worry...
The truth is, you who claim to already be the worst and have nothing bad for a shadow to reveal are still hiding something through that half-baked acceptance. You're still afraid. You're afraid of the possibility that you do still have potential. You labor under the delusion that trying and failing is a greater failure than never trying at all- which it might be in some places, but certainly not in self-improvement. You hide behind this mask of detachment, when deep down, your flaws really do still bother you, no matter how much you pretend to have embraced them. There is a difference between being at peace with your flaws and adopting such a flippant view of yourself. The truth you don't want to accept is that you aren't at peace with your existence, that your misery is avoidable if you try. You simply haven't tried hard enough.
fuck u
You could even accept that but do nothing about it. The issue is less about what are the repressed contents and more about the friction between Ego and Shadow.
In P4 we just assume everyone has around the same, but in reality people are different enough: you will find types who don't even have a developed Ego in the first place while others have a pretty strong self-awareness and nothing from the Shadow could upset them.
Yeah I was overblowing it a little. I went for the standard issues people still have when they play at being all enlightened and didn't really chance any specific guesses since this is such a common Ganker problem.
It really is possible to just accept your flaws without having fought your shadow, but there'll always be some urge you're not acting on. If it's not powerful and persistent enough, it won't become part of your shadow's "character", but it will still be part of your shadow, for a moment.
>It really is possible to just accept your flaws without having fought your shadow, but there'll always be some urge you're not acting on. If it's not powerful and persistent enough, it won't become part of your shadow's "character", but it will still be part of your shadow, for a moment.
Of course the Shadow still exists and it goes against your Ego, that's not exactly a pleasant feeling for anyone. But whether you are personally strongly identified with the latter instead of a more balanced Self(which includes both) is up to your personal maturity and awareness.
The Persona series doesn't do a very accurate representation of the psyche. As in, the Jungian concepts are solid but it's silly to assume everyone is one-sided and identified wholeheartedly with the Ego, which implies a poor self-awareness or acceptance. Jung himself did not do that either.
Some people in reality would perfectly know about their shadow, or even fully indulge in their unconscious - though this one is especially dangerous, the whole idea is to achieve a certain balance or the inner conflicts/repressed contents will give rise to all sorts of complexes.
Shadows arent about poor self awareness or acceptance.
I am incredibly self concious, reflective and fully aware of my flaws. But its also important to be aware that you cannot fully comprehend your own thinking and decision making. You can perceive it and dive down into why you think you act or think a certain way, and even change it, but at the end of the day, there will always be a depth to it that you will never be able to fully uncover.
I still have no clue why I resonated with certain fetishes for example, since it happened so ridiculously early in my life far before I developed any complexes.
To see the shadow system of persona 4 and just say "haha yeah I know exactly what it would say because im self aware and hate myself" is so indescribably retarded and shallow
>Shadows arent about poor self awareness or acceptance.
I'm aware, but the friction between Ego and Shadow as well as your identification with the former(as opposed to a more complete "Self") is caused by lacking that. Works well in the context of dumb teenagers in Persona games, but that's not everyone is in reality.
>To see the shadow system of persona 4 and just say "haha yeah I know exactly what it would say because im self aware and hate myself" is so indescribably retarded and shallow
Ironically enough it could work that way for some according to the original concept of Shadow, assuming that you are legit very self-aware.
Whether you hate yourself or not isn't relevant, you could end up hating yourself and still have a poor knowledge of anything that falls outside of the Ego sphere.
>assuming that you are legit very self-aware.
Or deep down the unconscious, but once again that's not a good thing.
>To see the shadow system of persona 4 and just say "haha yeah I know exactly what it would say because im self aware and hate myself" is so indescribably retarded and shallow
What if I don’t hate myself and am generally content though? What does the Shadow do to a person who just doesn’t care? I guess kill them outright like with the women that got forced into the TV.
>others have a pretty strong self-awareness and nothing from the Shadow could upset them.
This is cope. The whole point of the shadow is that they take the aspect of yourself you despise the most and warp it. Kanji isnt actually a homosexual for example and Yosuke doesnt really hate inaba.
Even with the knowledge of what a shadow is beforehand, you'd have a very hard time actually accepting what its saying
>But I know exactly what it would try to te-
No. You wouldnt.
No. I've simply given up.
Still no.
I'm aware of my potential as well.
At best shadow could say "your a lazy faget who may or may not fulfill your goals"
t. went through an improover arc and currently in gamedev arc.
I know I have some potential, but for some reason I can't be arsed to use it. I just have no drive, but I know I could. It's a personal issue, one that I'm fully aware of. I may not like what I am but I accept it and occasionally try to break out from it to better myself, usually meeting failure but still.
Mitsuo is a different case, he almost identifies fully with the shadow instead.
So you are Mishima?
im AGP i already know what my persona looks like
Yeah, easily. I'm pretty open about my good and bad points, and I don't really respect my family anyway.
are you open about being into anime & vidya girls feet?
I hope you guys dont talk about these with family... I wouldnt want anyone I know know this
My feeling is that no one who cares about you should really care about that. They'd probably prefer not to hear about it, but it's really just something kind of lame and gross at worst. I don't discuss my fetish stuff with friends or family, nor would I really care to. But if it came out, I doubt I'd deny it either. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Shame isn't productive unless it's something you agree is wrong and could in principle control.
i agree everyone has secrets they don't wanna tell,and sometimes they are unecessary.
in P4 the secrets werent that ineresting I wish they did soething bigger like they really cool lol
I don't think you should care. Shame is a shitty emotion.
see if you still feel careless with your shame after ten years of carrying it, feeling it turn to self loathing and self defeat. Become a willing slave to your own hedonism, laziness, and escapism. Remember this warning
What?
sounds like christcuck fear mongering
Your shadow doesn't just take random fetish shit and display it, it's stuff you struggle with acknowledging and keep suppressed
If you're honest with yourself about being into anime and vidya girls feet, you shadow will have to find something else
And anon, you can and probably should keep it to yourself, but if they did find out they'd still love you
Sure.
what would my shadow even say that my friends and family don't already know and shove on my face?
I mean I guess. I'd sure be embarrassed about it after.
I don't know, I'm aware of myself, so I doubt the situation would play the same as the games.
>inb4 another round of anons not knowing how shadows work
Remember that every Shadow Self in Persona 4 was initially denied by its host, then transformed into a monster to kill them. If it weren't for Yu's help they would've died facing their own Shadow, and wouldn't be able to reconsider their answer and respond properly to their calmed, tired-out Shadow.
That does seem kinda bullshit how are you meant to get by
If you're facing a Shadow Self based on repressed negative aspects, you aren't meant to. Yu was given a Persona as part of Izanami's game, so how he used it was part of his role. Rejecting your Shadow is natural, it represents aspects of your personality you don't want to face or admit.
If your Shadow Self is based off repressed positive aspects, then accepting it is easier, but still difficult. That's how it was for Futaba, who repressed her own desire to be loved and felt that her mom's death was her own fault. That's why she hired the Phantom Thieves to steal her own heart, and why Shadow Futaba wasn't antagonistic either to them or to her.
Also on a similar note Metis in Persona 3 is Aigis' Shadow Self, manifesting from her own repressed humanity that she wanted to be rid of. A fragment of consciousness that gains its own ego can manifest its own Shadow and Persona, which is why Metis can wield a Persona separately from Aigis. And the Shadow Protagonist that spawns all the lesser Shadows in the Abyss of Time is a Shadow Self formed from all the regrets of SEES, and their repressed desires to see their deceased leader again. That's why it could use their Personas in battle.
You're not, Ame no Sagiri says that he didn't forsee anyone conquering their shadow and obtaining a Persona. You're fucked withoot Yu.
Why did you think the victims were confused teenagers in the first place? Nanako didn't have to deal with a shadow, neither did Adachi.
>were confused teenagers in the first place
And a school teacher.
Morooka was thrown into the TV on fog season, he really wasn't given a fair shake since as Teddy said, the shadows all go apeshit by then.
Morooka was never thrown into the TV World. Mitsuo bludgeoned him to death with a blunt object and then hung his corpse from the water tower to imitate the other two bodies being found on a TV antenna and a telephone pole, respectively. Water towers have nothing to do with TV signals like the other two towers do, and the police were easily able to find cause of death for Morooka AND trace it to Mitsuo, who they quickly detained.
Mitsuo was thrown into the TV World from the police station, as Adachi saw the police wanted to pin all the unsolved murders on him, thus ending Adachi's fun murder mystery game, and he didn't want the fun to end.
well go ahead, Mr. Yung, explain the Shadow.
Okay people let's get this over with
Your shadow is not something that you have already accepted, that defeats the purpose. No, your shadow won't be all "haha Anon likes e-boi porn!" or "Anon has a lot of dark thoughts about killing people"
it may use things like that to get its point across but your shadow will be the exaggerated manifestation of your negative feelings, something that on first instinct would make you deny it. Especially in front of others.
Well, I guess my negative feelings would be resentment, how everyone else has it good and I'm living a shit life. Even having worked hard I'm still just a wagie. I've actually been really jealous of my friends who just bought their first house and are stressing out about it. Why? they both make 6 figures. they are fucking set. They are whining about fucking nothing at all and I get so annoyed reading about it.
ok adachi calm down
throw them into the TV
Well if your shadow said that about you, would you accept it?
I feel like..It would be easy to say privately. But put in a spotlight? With those friends in the room? With actual responsibility? I don't know. They're some of my only friends and I would rather not go back to being lonely.
yeah but what if I already make a habit of announcing all my negative impulses out loud sarcastically, so everyone can see that I'm open but also can tell the difference between what's acceptable and what's not.
My shadow's either got to be so distributed and inchoate or so tiny it's not gonna stand a chance.
>yeah but what if I already make a habit of announcing all my negative impulses out loud sarcastically, so everyone can see that I'm open but also can tell the difference between what's acceptable and what's not.
>My shadow's either got to be so distributed and inchoate or so tiny it's not gonna stand a chance.
Yes, I look like that. AND?
>"Muahaha, I'm OP and I like sucking cock!"
>"No... NO! I'm not gay!"
>"Of course you are... you're OP, and you're a fag... and so am I, Shadow OP!"
>"No! you're not ME!"
After the battle
>"No... you're right... I'm OP... and I love dicks... all the time"
>OP found strength in confronting their inner self
>OP has unlocked the Persona Mightyhomosexual, the master of sucking dicks!
I cant believe this made me laugh
(you)
Saved for later
how will op ever recover
>Could I beat myself up in a fight
Hehe hell yeah I could. I'm not very strong to begin with. Shits gonna be a piece of cake lol.
Kek
lol lmao
>you're a fag... and so am I, Shadow OP!"
lmfao
>WRONG AGAIN
>I AM TWO FAGS!
hearty jej
So it's custom made for people the believe Japan is not a society of cultural slaves
What if I accept my shadow but decide it's correct and I want to be an evil bastard?
Then that's on you. It's not about evil/good, it's about being consciously aware of some deeper aspect of yourself.
isn't that what adachi did?
I think so. He had. a persona and also be capable of shifting into being his shadow, so something about his acceptance of it may have been a little different. Maybe he decided that was all he was instead of it just being a facet of himself.
>Women are terrible, and they HATE YOU, and you are ME
>Fuck, you're right. I'll devote my life to killing WOMYN
you're just mad because this shit is only hard for japanese people who are repressed to hell and put keeping up appearances above all else
I wish I would read all that shit
NOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T JUST SAY "I KNOW I'M A DEGENERATE AUTIST LOL" IT'S NOT THAT EASY!!!!!!!!
If you called yourself a degenerate that easily and laughed about it your shadow probably has something to deal with self loathing or a poor self image or even pride for not being like the well adjusted folk.
I know I'm a prideful self loathing degenerate autist with poor self image. Now what
Doesn't Maya outright reject her shadow successfully?
Yeah, but they defeated her Shadow. You don't just automatically die when you reject the Shadow, it just attacks you, so you could beat it down and get away. There's also an element of inconsistency between the games and the mechanics of how the Personas work seeing as, going by the logic of later games, Maya shouldn't be able to have a Persona and a Shadow at the same time, seeing as they're the same thing. She also shouldn't be able to kill it seeing as the Shadow dying kills the owner of the Shadow in P5. You can argue the P2 Shadows being constructions from Nyarlathotep makes those Shadows not the same though.
It's not worth arguing over inconsistencies like those, just assume that Personas obtained from playing the persona game are wildly different than subsuming your own shadow like in P4 (or P3 Answer). iirc there are cases of multiple people having the same personas in 2 like Tatsuya Sudou and one of the Bolontiku having Apollo which makes no sense considering the mechanics of personas introduced later on.
And when in doubt, say Nyarlathotep is playing tricks.
The only consistent thing about persona users in the series is that they are self aware about their ego.
>P1/P2
Do the ritual and remember who you are when Philemon calls out for you, get a power boost if you your shadow appears and you beat it
>P3
JoJo stands which can be forcefully awoken
>P4
Face your shadow, it becomes a persona
>P5
Get motivated for a teen rebellion, I guess
Damn, now that I'm thinking about this in more detail, I think I'd have a hard time accepting my shadow. I want to say I'd begrudgingly accept it because I wouldn't want to put my friends and family in danger, but they'd probably think I was a piece of shit afterwards.
Why would I deny my negative feelings?
I'm guessing my Shadow would be a crumpled up piece of cum stained tissue in the corner of my room that tells me I will never be an indie game dev.
Unfortunately for your homosexual thread, I've already gone through a few incredibly destructive self-introspection sessions.
I've already got all the repressed feelings out.
I'll always accept my shortcomings because I know Im a loser
I don't think you understand how much I absolutely loathe myself anon. I hate every single aspect of myself. There is nothing this shadow could tell me about myself that I haven't said to myself 3 inches from my bathroom mirror.
>There is nothing this shadow could tell me about myself that I haven't said to myself 3 inches from my bathroom mirror.
"Hey man, I actually like living. Living in this world is actually pretty cool."
yeah actually, if it said that shit I'd straight up call bullshit. Not because of some weird vengeful rejecting or something but purely because it's bewilderingly wrong.
That's how it works my man. Everyone else who thinks it's easy are idiots. Imagine the most insufferable person who knows all your insecurities and some truths about you that you refuse to accept. That's how a shadow would be like.
oh no.
that means my shadow is my confidence and assertiveness.
on the bright side, i won't be able to say no to it, so i guess i actually do end up accepting it
What if I just don't have one of those? I'm pretty reflective and chilled out, I don't think I have some big pile of buried negative feelings I can't acknowledge or accept.
As much as it is strictly true that "everyone has a shadow", the fact of the matter is not everyone's shadow is a cataclysmically powerful "answer" to your entire psyche. It's entirely possible for a person to, through entirely mundane means, be mentally sound and relatively free of repression and negativity, to the point that their shadow wouldn't be able to do much of anything to them.
The odds of such a person being on Ganker are slightly lower than the odds of Valve releasing a fully new video game that is just a video game and not some kind of fucking tech demo or addon to/revamp of an older game.
Why not? No need to project your angst and anguish onto everyone else. I come here because the discussion's better, because I like and respect the people better than the crowds you find in less abrasive sites. I'm less bothered by some twat screaming nagger than I am bothered by having deal with someone who loses their mind when some twat screams nagger, so here I stay. Why do you think that rules out the possibility of me being mentally healthy and at peace with myself?
I'm not saying it's categorically impossible. Maybe you really are that. But the quotient of people who can say it truthfully to ones who can't but want to is... abysmal.
The fact is, Ganker is a deeply negative place. Engaging with it on any real level has a way of dragging you down. There's nowhere better, and when the conversation is genuine it's great, so I understand not being able to leave. But still...
I don't think it's as negative as you think, any more than places that force a relentless fake positivity are actually authentically positive.
>He hasn't seen the threads where an anon asks to get shitted on.
so what happens when you agree with the shadow, give in and don't resist?
I cast gun
I would go to hell and back if it meant having Jack Frost as a persona irl
i wouldn't even be a god damned s. link kf persona was real
I want to fuck my shadow.
can I keep my shadow and fuck it instead?
i wouldn't want my family to know that i fap to gay porn
What if *I* eat the shadows instead?
yea i can take that chump ez
>"you're me"
>instantly win a persona
Wow so hard
nah that ain't how it works bucko, you gotta explain to the shadow why you accept it
go on, tell that little e-boi shadow why you accept it in front of other people...
Nanako is literally too pure to have a shadow.
i would give my fucking life for her
I love Nanako
How/Why did Atlus peak at Nanako? Literally no character in any Atlus game can ever compare.
It's pretty telling how good a character she was when everyone says they pretty much rushed the Heaven Dungeon day 1 to save her
Look, the fact that I'm a heterosexual adult male doesn't change the basic hope that people will look at me with possessive desire. I love you, horny Nanako shadow self. You're a part of me, and I treasure you.
Wanna fuck?
Why is my Shadow a little girl? Isn't it supposed to be me?
>nooooooo, it has to be very emotionally embarrassing or else the struggle session doesn't work
>go on, tell that little e-boi shadow why you accept it in front of other people...
since they're just your insecurities dialed up to 11, I'd probably say some shit like
>I never got to experience teenage love, I was a loser who never saw the value in things and couldn't connect, I'm just trying to recapture those things, but I need to let go and move forward knowing that I can't think about old experiences, but most forge new ones
bam, Persona Get and my friends and family know I don't actually wanna fuck children, I'm just fundamentally broken.
Shadows are formed in such a way that they represent parts of yourself that you yourself would never want to accept.
I fucking hate retards like you who go full reddit and say "oh I would accept them straight away" and try to think about what they would say.
The entire point of the shadow is that without assistance a normal person would never accept that side of themselves.
>a normal person would never accept that side of themselves.
99% of Ganker posters let alone this site couldn't accept their true selves. Seriously look at how people argue on this site. Nothing bad disingenuous arguments and insults. A shadow of these people would be like arguing with a person who completely knows how to make you seethe on things you know deep down is right about you like being a hypocrite or a racist because you feel like you have no power. It's not just "yeah I know a coomer" so I get a magical stand now
The issue is people argue about shadows in hindsight. The people who met them first had no help with dealing them and didn't know what to do. Not to mention it is kind of unrealistic expecting a random person to "accept" someone who is shitting on them. That is why deus ex machina (Yu) exists.
It's a warped version of you 100% of the time. In the case of Kanji, it didn't even remotely act like him.
>inside every Gankerirgin is a gigachad
This is weirdly inspiring. Thanks, Yu!
Another question is
What would your dungeon theme be?
DO NOT SAY RAPE DUNGEON
maybe something simple and looped like
I think you two are misunderstanding what he means by "theme"
No, the “theme” was pretty obviously clever hobos tricking pretty girls into giving them handjobs.
The classic.
A school during graduation
sewer themed
Rape dungeon, except it plays on the themes of me wanting to be a sadist or masochist depending on the situation, I want to lash out and hurt others for the way the perceive me but other times I feel they must be correct on that perception and if they hurt me it's justified and should be encouraged to bully me for their satisfaction because sometimes I do feel that "bike cuck" logic.
That or just a big theatre where my shadow goes around changing costumes to be either the hero or the villain of the play.
Are you guys being idiots on purpose, Morooka never entered the tv world, he was killed the old fashioned way and with a lot of effort put somewhere that looked like a tv world victim.
He was hanged on the water tower.
no nagger he was bludgeoned to death the hanging was to recreate the scene
I don't know the theme but it would be a place where everyone pretends to be perfectly happy but in reality they would suffer in every waking moment. So real life or something.
it would be a regal city decorated with ornate buildings, where fake residents worship my shadow as a dignified, all knowing, and omnipotent person. The residents also are entirely dependent on themselves but act like i did it for them. No one will ever see my shadow in the city, because he is in the rape dungeon, either as the rapist or the raped.
I'm thinking about it but the results sound too edgy to not cringe
For the first time since I've started seeing this question, I think my answer would actually be unique, and not just echo of standard Ganker shit.
>Foggy woods area with a late-fall feel to it; cold, damp, leaves all on the ground, overcast sky, almost cold enough for snow but not quite
>Woods give way to a town so small it gets demoted to mere setdressing next to the cataclysmically oversized estate on what could maybe once have been a hill at the center
>Various "antique" styles, a vague mishmash of wooden and cast iron that tries to look elegant but comes across mismatched and unmaintained
>Shadow seems at a glance to be trapped, but after "just missing" some chances to escape, becomes clear there's something more going on
>House begins to take on some fleshy attributes as you delve deeper, heartbeat sound ramps up in the background
>Raving half-dead body of my mother has grafted itself to the house
>Shadow is trying to take care of the house (and thus, take care of the delusion inside)
>After being rejected, the Shadow throws itself into a gaping wound beneath the main body of the delusion, and rises from it on a fleshy pillar of some sort, intended to evoke the image of being crucified
>The boss is the delusion, with the Shadow playing second fiddle to it
>Shadow's "attacks" are things like praying and weeping, mostly buffing and healing the delusion
>House begins burning down as the fight enters its homestretch, the delusion going from irrational to incoherent
>Have to drag the shadow out of the collapsing dungeon after the end of the fight
it sounds like you've had a difficult life, anon, and I'm sorry
Thanks, I mean it.
Fuck anon.
you alright Anon?
I would like to think so but the whole point is that it'd be something I'm in denial about, so if I'm really that deep in denial then I may not be able to even if I believe I could.
In front of other people would be difficult. By myself? Sure.
Sure. I'm completely aware how insane I am, and how evil I can be.
Sure
>megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RandominCategory/Hermit_Arcana
>https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Lamia
cool, snek with tits
>Persona Trait: Foul Odor
>Skill: Foul Breath
Yeah, that's a persona for an Anon
>https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Futaba
KEK too real. My shadow wouldn't be a cool monster or a sexy girl but a self aware, even more pathetic (if this is even possible) version of myself who just wishes to die alone.
Need princess Yukiko gf
Yes. I'm hyper aware of all of my negative qualities and sometimes sarcastically mention them to close friends and families.
Why are Shadows always horny?
because they're assholes
Sexual repression.
You don't want to reveal your sick fetishes, so you repress them. So the Shadows embody them.
I'm an American so we just shoot it
If you kill your shadow you die irl.
probably not, but if i was by myself totally also i would fuck it if we were alone
I'd like to think I would, but if that other guy is supposed to be LITERALLY me, then I know for a fact he'll have something up his sleeve to piss me off. Nobody could get under my skin quite like myself.
That said, if he responds with pic related like any clone of myself should, then I think I'd be able to get along with the guy.
It's probably the only situation where screaming
>OH MY GOD HE'S LITERALLY ME
is a good thing
The whole gimmick of the shadow self only really worked with stupid teenagers which made up the cast of the Persona games.
P2:EP shadow selves were pretty dogwater frankly.
>Katsuya: You hate your family because you feel obligated to be a detective to clear your dad's name instead of being a chef!
>Ulala: Umm I'm jealous of Maya. Not like the game had an entire bit about this part already.
>Baofu: It's about how he just needs to get over his wife's death
Weren't the shadows in EP just Nyarlathotep fucking with the cast? He was just trying to get you angry so that Eikichi and Lisa remember the other side.
Yes, exactly that. Nyarlathotep thrives on fucking with people, and the Shadow Selves of P2 can't be fully trusted to tell the truth.
Nyarlathotep would have a fucking field day on Ganker
so ginko isn't a whore?
That's why I say "can't be fully trusted". She probably is, as an act of rebellion against her weeaboo parents, but likely not to the extent that Shadow Lisa claims to be. They're still Shadow Selves, but ones summoned by Nyarly and tainted by his influence.
In contrast the Shadow Selves of P3, P4, and P5 are "pure". You can treat what they say as the truth. No godly force is fucking with them.
>No godly force is fucking with them.
Also as an exception to this are the Shadow Selves in Persona 4 Arena: Ultimax, and Shadow Kanami in Persona 4: Dancing All Night. Those explicitly ARE another divine entity posing as genuine Shadow Selves like Nyarlathotep, Hi-no-Kagutsuchi, and Mikuratana-no-Kami, respectively. Only Shadow Labrys is a true Shadow Self there, and even she's fucked with by Hi-no-Kagutsuchi.
Shadow Labrys exists because Labrys has two personality cores.
No, Shadow Labrys exists because Labrys was drawn into the TV World, where her own trauma and insecurity from her past at the Kirijo Group manifested as a Shadow Self. If Dojima was brought into the TV World he'd probably manifest one too.
No I meant that Shadow Labrys mainly exists due to Labrys having two larger than normal plumes of dusk that serve as her personality core. Kagutsuchi restarted the tv world and manifested and manipulated shadow labrys, but shadow labrys continues to exist after being accepted due to Labrys's unique double brain-heart.
Oh, then yes, You're correct.
Nyarlatothep is the shadow for the collective conscious of humanity on P2, even if he's doing it just to fuck with the cast, there's still some credibility to it just because of what he is.
Yeah sure, what Nyarlathotep says might not be entirely bullshit- but he intentionally exaggerates and skews the truth of the matter to get people to break down and accept death. You should automatically assume that anything coming from a Shadow twisted by him is going to be 99% nonsense designed to get you to have a nice day or self-destruct.
That, and Nyarlathptep's sole desire is to die and take all of us down with him. He is literally that impulse telling you to walk off into traffic or dive off the roof, the intrusive thoughts always making you paranoid or yearning for death. He might not always be spinning yarn, but unlike every other God in Persona (barring Yaldabaoth), his goals are explicitly nothing but malicious. You can't trust anything he says because there's not a second he'll waste to twist facts into lies for his own benefit.
I am my own shadow
*CRAWLING IN MY SKIN*
If I was forced to, probably, but I doubt they would be understanding enough to want to be around me afterwards.
>no mention of Jamal-kun
It's trash
If bitch mades like Morgana can do it anyone can.
Didn't Morgana come with his persona pre-installed?
He was born a shadow i think
So he's like Teddy too?
Teddy is a shadow that wanted to be human
iirc Morgana was created by Igor with traces of human hope
yeah in terms of willpower Teddie is far and beyond Morgana
Teddy's a true Shadow, born from the repressed positive emotions of some person out there. Notably, his Arcana is The Star, while most Shadows' Arcanas are Magician to Hanged Man, ones that exist before Nyx's Arcana, Death. He gained definition and grew an ego from interacting with the Investigation Team, and thus was able to manifest his own Shadow, and his own Persona, and grew beyond the limitations of an ordinary Shadow. That's why he's able to walk around in daylight no problem, but x-rays of his body still show static.
Morgana is a 'cognitive entity' created by Igor. He's like the Velvet Room Attendants. Not born from a human, nor was he ever a human to begin with. But he still has his own ego, and thus can leave cognitive realms to the real world.
Cool reply bro.
A tulpa
My shadow can’t perform worse in life than me. I’m open to total ego death and letting someone else have a turn with my body
>see my shadow
>”you’re an asshole who leeches off others and use it as an excuse to never advance in life!”
>”hmm i do say that”
>gain persona without needing a boss fight
I guess it wouldn’t make for a good game though
You see willing to accept that, so that wouldnt be what the shadow says. Dumb fucking nagger.
I don’t know what i would reject then.
so what the fuck would my shadow say? i literally thrive on negativity. so that leaves embarrassing stuff like...
>you want to be loved
>you want to be a good person
>you want to be selfless
>you deserve praise
>it's okay to fail
>its okay if you aren't as good as others
i can accept these feelings as part of me but I'll never indulge them. it's disgusting
What if Sukuna will sacrifice himself like Kurama in Naruto, or Znagetsy in Bleach.
me and my brother are super tight. Mom's old and far away, family is in another continent. I've faced my inner self and won. My persona is megatron
>shadow completely humiliates you, exposing every weakness you have to everyone you know
>this event does not result in deeper friendship, instead completely isolating you, likely voluntarily.
no all I fap to is bbc porn and bnwo stuff
Yes? The alternative is death.
Honestly I don't know what it could possibly be considering i've just kinda accepted being a no life loser with limited skills.
I have no idea what my shadow would even be. I don't really have any skeletons in my closet besides weird fetishes. So I guess it would be me but sadder, lonelier and gayer than I let on. But I came to terms with that years ago.
I'd have a much harder time in Silent Hill.
Silent Hill would be easy, you can just run past everything and even the strongest beings in existence go down to just shooting them a bit, and you don't even need to bring your own gun because there's ones there.
>Don't worry James, we're gonna find your FUCKING wife
Your shadow would be a fucking degenerate and you know it.
Why does inserting Chie into everything make it a thousand times more Wholesome.
That really depends though.
Part of Shadow theory is it's a part of you that you deny so bad that you're not even aware you are that type of person.
Everyone talking about how cool and great their persona will be, but what if the Supreme Fuckin' Gentleman starts whispering "I am Thou and Thou art I" to you?
>lets fucking go…
Honestly, I don't know. I can face my shadow alone, I know myself pretty well, but I don't want my family involved.
No because they're not me.
Yes.
Don't you just have to say "he's literally me"?
I AM a shadow of my former self.
It's in the realm of possibility. It really would depend on when it caught me and who I was with.
>You don't want to help people, you just want to feel good about yourself by keeping around codependent idiots who inflate your ego.
Hard pill to swallow
oh yeah that's me in college
>You’re actually a selfish prick and don’t really care about anyone. You walk around pretending to be this perfect big shot thinking you’re better than everyone when in reality you’re this scared little boy wishing people liked you.
College me was a jackass.
what if we're the shadows...
and Ganker is just an endless dungeon...
where am I when I go to the taco bell drive thru then?
All an illusion
the only way out is to-
THRUST
BUT
HOLE
Why would I have to do it in front of loved ones? In P4 everyone gets theirs in front of what could be considered loose acquaintances at best. Besides that I'd probably already have one. I'm pretty sure I already accept every part of myself and understand the nuances of that too. I don't think the shadow appearing and screaming itself out in front of other people is actually a necessary part of the awakening. I'd probably be more like Maruki/Adachi where I already have mine and just never realized it
hmm honestly probably not i dont want them seeing who i really am.
also people in this thread get shadows wrong, shadows gloat about your negative traits while mocking you on your fears about trying to fix them
I don’t think this thread works though. We’re all aware that if we reject it we’ll fight a crazy powerful monster and just accept it. No one in p4 who faced their shadow was aware of what would happen if they went against it.
thats true but i think thats straying away from the point and using meta knowledge i feel like most people in this thread dont understand that shadows say things you don't want to hear which is why you'd reject it, im sure everyone in this thread has stuff they dont want to hear if someone criticizes them
Why not, gives me an excuse to never interact with them again anyway
My shadow? It'd probably be something boring like
>me, a early 30s hikkineet living with parents
>I put the blame for my hikkineet status my shitty family, a shitty upbringing, my mental illnesses, social trauma, the works.
>my shadow that looks like a sloth just tells me that I'm a lazy fuck who's good at mental gymnastics
It's probably right. But I forgot what it's like to be normal, so I can't tell if I really am fine enough to function as a normal person or not.
>in front of your family or loved ones?
Not a prerequisite. And probably. I'm painfully aware of my own personal faults and problems.
>tfw you'd just automatically have your Persona like Yuu without throwing a protracted bitchfit at your shadow
Look at me, I'M Chad Thundercock, now.
Yes. I have no shame and don't care about the opinions of others. My P4 style shadow would go "I AM YOU" and I'd say "Yeah." and it'd be over.
Anyone who thinks they would accept their shadow with 0 problem hasn't actually encountered it yet.
>hasn't actually encountered it yet.
How do I encounter my shadow?
Meet me at the television section at your local electronics store in half an hour.
>local electronics store
Brother, Inaba is nothing compared to my shithole, nearest electronics store is like an hour away.
Okay then, meet me in an hour and a half.
/v/'s shadow would tell them that they are a good person deserving of love
See I couldn’t face that
what if I already accepted my shadow, you bitches think of that? what if I AM already an Ubermensch?
The you would not have said "what if"
it's a figure of speech smart ass
He got you, Anon
I avoid dub by principle but it was worth swapping for his segment in nocturne
You would be surprised at how people are in tune with themselves, warts and all.
In IRL accepting your shadow is a necessity for maturing as a person. By definition it cannot be done without internal difficulty.
Figuratively. Sadly we don't live in persona.
IRL shadows doesn't exist. Even if they exist society and world will suppress them so shadows can not be manifest irl.
>By definition it cannot be done without internal difficulty.
People go through that in general. At least most people anyway.
My shadow would be a degenerate emperor on a expensive and magnificent throne. He would call me the most useless person alive. That I manipulate people to do my bidding without them even noticing it. Callous, spoiled, and self centered. Thankfully I'm over my edgyness so we would be friends.
I guess my shadow would be resentment against my parents but I kind of accept it already, unless it was saying something like I outright hate them I don't think my immediate reaction would be to deny it's existance because I already internalized that they fucked up in some ways
I think i could.
I've had identity crisis before.
Why would I face it? We could rule the world together
Your Shadow would not rule the world with you if you didn't accept it, it would just kill you. The only way you could rule the world with it is by accepting it and then using it as a Persona to rule the world. It's not like accepting your Shadow means you have to be a good guy, Maruki almost ruled the world and he had a Persona.
Who said I wanted to be good or reject it? It's a tool for my use and gain, but I wouldn't let my shadow know that, I'd feign partnership
You can't fool your Shadow, it's literally you. You can't use it without accepting it, if you don't accept it, you just die, there is no fooling it.
Sounds like your shadow needs a nerf as it's clearly op
I'm a fanatic and ideological fool.
Fanatics and idealists are the easiest and best of pawns after all they are already used to fooling themselves.
So fooling my shadow self is a lifelong habit. It wouldn't know better
But Maruki was the good guy all along.
>You're not actually smart or interesting for hating everything all the time. You're actually a very stupid and boring person who bases every aspect of your personality on trying to distance yourself from "normies", but thats only because you're bitter and jealous that you were never able to fit in and be accepted by them. Your entire identity is one big case of sour grapes.
No Gankerirgin could defeat that shadow.
I had accepted that long ago. I'm basically a lonely hermit outside of work.
I can fit in with normies just fine. I just got bored because chances are their lives are just as mundane as I am.
"ok you're my shadow so it must be true, since that's how this works"
done
this shit is easy and OP is a weak fag
I actually fully believe normies live extremely boring lives solely sustained through alcohol and drug-use. The only was I agree with this is that women are pretty much all hyper-normies so you're basically undateable if you're even slightly autistic.
Yeah, atleast I am not OP. Persona has been unlocked.
already came to terms with this, anon. Try harder
Nah I realized that years ago. Too stubborn to hang out with fellow losers, too much of a loser to hang out with cool people
Everyone knows that OP is a fag. So this is wouldn't be a surprise.
>another "Kanji is gay" Twitter tard
Anyone that has had a really bad night while drinking has already done this, they just don't remember it.
No, I frequently think about killing myself, drink all the time to cope, yet don't do anything to fix it. I know my problems but they'll never be fixed
Shadows doesn't even that important in Persona 5 it's about Treasures. So ypou can kick others shadows. Ann persona is a slut.
Personas manifest in p5 by rejecting the castle ruler in a righteous indignation way. The spirit of rebellion.
>UOOOHHHHHHHHH! NANAKO NEEDS RAPE CORRECTION
>I swear to god, dad, that is not me. Please believe me.
You are effectively asking if people are hyper aware of themselves. It depends on the anon.
>if you say "I have no one" then you just get automatically eaten by shadows
god i wish i could lick makoto's feet
Take a deep long huff anon
nevermind, she looks very uncomfortable and now i feel bad
What are shadow's like in bed?
>wah you're a huge pervert and manipulator
Ok i just admit it, you always see persona characters whine about their shadows, what if you were to agree with what it's saying with a straight face?
The virgin shadow fears the chad open degenerate
i already did and i won
hell yeah bro, what persona did you get?
asterius
Yes, I want a stand so I can pretend to be a JoJo's Bizzare character, but also no becuase my shadow would probably say embarrasing shit about me being a coomer and financial retard.
Speedrun strat. Saying like whatever just give me super power stand and fuck off retard.
>I AM THE SHADOW, THE TRUE SELF
>Anon, you really enjoy jerk-
Yup, you're right haha that's me. I accept that that's a part of who I am haha (shut up and get back into my subconscious, already).
Jesus, Anon, where are your manners? Let your shadow finish speaking.
persona 4 shadows are fake and gay, total missed opportunity
since the catharsis of confronting the shadow is effectively the starting point of every party member, everything that follows is either backdown or total lack of progression obligatory dicksucking of persona 2 and how its shadows happen in the latter half after the player has some investment and understand of the characters
and if you did actually like it, please don't forget the absolute stick-in-the-bicycle-wheel that was namatame's shadow in the hospital tv and the totally coherent conclusion that shadows actually represent public perception rather than presonal demons
"i'll face myself" is fucking great however (as are most intrumental tracks), the only reason people talk about vocal battle tracks more is because they were stockholme'd into liking them by constant repetition
Well, it was still better than Persona 5, where the people only have shadows because they are pieces of shit and have no desire to change minus Futaba, hell it didn't even give the Phantom Thieves any reason to do anything differently other than "wow, I don't want to end up like that guy!"
it *is* kinda weird how p5's shadows are a total inversion, representing some flavour of delusional mindset
implies that there is some word-of-god that can properly determine what is and isn't objectively true
but that's not the realm of daring/god-killing simulator jrpg
God no. Im barely alive as is with my horrible porn fetishes, and unfortunately its one i share with my dad which makes it worse.
Depends. Do I have to admit I'm generally apathetic and don't care about much? Sure.
Do I have to admit I'm incredibly sexually frustrated and basically still jack off constantly to social media pictures of work colleagues I haven't spoken to in like 5 years? No way.
who is that? not talking about mitsuru or who i assume is vasuki
Sai
This doesn't seem like normal sibling behaviour. My sister and I never did this for each other. I wonder if it's a cultural difference.
her name is sae you fucking piece of shit fucking have a nice day
Weak to anal
Made for
With the meta-knowledge that I will get a Persona out of it such a thing would be a lot more manageable. Without that, especially if I thought I was about to die, it would probably be impossible.
kotone is the best persona protagonist
yu is great too but mostly because of the anime
makoto and joker are too boring even in the anime
Who?
fuck you junpei
FeMC from P3P.
You can hang around with Ken and do /ss/ among other things.
who?
shut the fuck up !!! fuck you ! !
Sure, why not? I can hide the ugly parts about myself, but what would be the point in denying it if it was right there in front of me? Might as well just let the truth come out and try to grow from there.
I've admitted to myself that I haave emotion issues ranging from sadness to anger and that I act like a bitch. So I could for sure since I know my faults.
>Shadow starts talking about my e-boicon folder
NO YOU'RE NOT ME
Depends. If everyone I'm with knew exactly how a shadow worked there would be no point in rejecting it, but turning around and admitting my sinful private thoughts to everyone might make me wish I was dead anyways
Im not sure, the thing with Shadows in Persona 4 is that the victims dont want the audience to know that they have these complexes within them. I get the feeling im not closed enough to those around me, so if my Shadow appeared it would just confirm things that I suspect they already suspect(and reveal things that are more embarassing to say out loud than something I would rather die than let them know). A guy I knew even told me once among that I shouldnt just keep hating myself like this, and we werent particularly close either.
Yukiko is the best Persona girl by far
nope
Rise
>but she's clingy
yes? and?
>but she's annoying
yes? and?
>but she's a whore
yes? and?
Both great girls but I'll take Yukiko any day
We compliment each other's footwear, befriend each other, then set about conquering the world
When he gets uppity and depressive I tell him to shut the fuck up and focus on the task at hand
The end
Mogged + Filtered
Nah, that would be Elly, with Fuuka as a close second.
True
seriously speaking my shadow will likely spew things i don't wanna hear and i'll just kill myself instead
Shadow is not you. It's what other think of you. So
you just let lynched yourself.
>Shadow is not you. It's what other think of you. So you just let lynched yourself.
I don't remember this part. Why is it so important to accept it and so dangerous to reject it, if it's just what other people think? Why does it always closely represent their personal inner struggles?
Jungian psychology gooblediasiatic, you gotta accept your shittiness and improve yourself to be the best version of you, etc.
Jungian crap is literally what Persona pretty much about, it just ramps up the scale with the big bad being "humanity's shadow"
NTA but it was said at the end of the game the Shadows were manifestations of how others who watched the Midnight Channel viewed you
So even tho the shadow itself is based on your true feelings, it's appearance and exaggerated features are based on how others perceive you (or how they perceive that part of you?)
>Yukiko was seen as a stuck up princess
>Kanji was seen as a flaming homo
>Rise was seen as a stripper
Bare in mind I haven't played the game in a bit and I'm not so certain how Naoto as a mad scientist robot translates to this either.
No, it's that and also a perception of yourself in the eyes of others. For Kanji everyone thinks he is a flaming homosexual, Naoto thinks everyone sees her as a girl and a child, Rise that everyone thinks she is a slut, Chie a domineering bitch, Yukiko a spoiled princess, etc etc. The public dont know the first thing about these characters to reach that conclusion, but they sure think of themselves as being that TO the public.
Same just say fuck da police like in that song. Also this is a reason why most shadows are cops and libra and Hulk Hogan.
Yes, but I would be one of those who drop a huge bomb on myself and I would have to rely on others to accept it. It's because I'm actually a horrible person who who has horrible intrusive thoughts, but try to emulate my grandfather who was somebody who was loved by everybody by being a kind and good gigachad.
Only Protag has that power. See what happened to grown person a school teacher.
Doesn't look like bludgeoned. Also There was a news announcer huh. Seems like. Some people can survive shadows on their own like Adachi and Nanako.
Complete the game first before posting about it. Everything you talked about was explained.
Adachi was essentially in cahoots with the shadows, more like Ameno Sagiri felt his presence and powered him up when he entered.
Also Nanako technically didnt survive.
Honestly, I do care a lot about what my family thinks of me, if my shadow started citing the latest doujins, tags and straight up explain definitions of certain tags Ive read in front of them I would be mortified and would probably pull a "you are not me"
>"Let's see now, Voyeur..."
>Oh that's not so bad son, we all have our own uh...interests-
>"Scat. e-boi. Rape."
>....
>"Incest. Mother Son Incest. Realistic Mother Son Incest-"
at that point you should just leave the room and run off into the fog
>all these losers who would get killed by their shadows
should have been better, like me
nico is the most degenerate piece of garbage in all of love live no the shadows wont even think about interacting with her because she is the shadows
aka a piece of shit
>Implying every shadow is strong.
nico nii my beloved
Source?!?!?
https://hypnohub.net/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=amateurthrowaway
ngl it's weird how after a decade of mediocre persona porn, we're finally get high quality shit thanks to the dancing spin offs and their models
But I don't deny anything about myself.
i dont get it
i dunno. it would have to happen first. they might say some shit about me i haven't even been aware of that might fuck me up.
something like "hey derek that meal you made that one time actually was bad but your 'friends' said it was good because they didn't want to hurt your feelings, so can you really call them your friends???" and then your persona is something shit like slime and then youre just as disappointed to see him as he is to see you
>in front of your family or loved ones?
>friends and family risk their life to save you
>your shadow starts reading your porn history
Haru Sandwhich
Honestly, considering the shadows are just a caricature of your insecurities, no matter how bad it is, I could probably explain it away. Sure, I accept it.
What exactly did P4G do to the game in terms of progression, difficulty, etc. anyway?
I remembered P4 on PS2 being way harder than it.
you got good
Did the Investigation Team ever consider the reason everyone denies their shadow is because they don't want to admit the worst of themselves to an audience of their only friends?
No they know that damn well, they just hope each time to avoid a battle with a powerful Shadow. Never happens, but they can still hope.
>ever consider the reason everyone denies their shadow is because they don't want to admit the worst of themselves to an audience of their only friends?
The alternative is the person denying the shadow and having to fight a giant monster, anon. Why they cant just, you know, just grab the person and run once they reach them is never explained. Kanji could just sock Shadow Naoto and pick real Naoto up and go.
Dude, I literally have no family. They're all dead. Not cool.
this really doesn't work if you already know what a shadow is and how to beat it before hand
you basically need to be a stupid video game character to deny it
I don't really know. I trust my current family, shockingly enough. Issue is, with all the fucked up shit I've properly accepted and internalized, I'm not sure what exactly my Shadow has left for ammunition. I know I've got more issues than I know of, I just can't know what will show up.
Of course, if we're going by P4 rules, my Shadow would be more interested in getting that reflexive denial, so it could then proceed to kill me. REALLY not sure what ammo it'd have on that front in particular, and afraid to find out, but again, I trust my family.
Have any of you losers tried to integrate your shadow?
Try these: https://www.scienceofpeople.com/shadow-work-prompts/
Write down what you think of each question, don't try to hide it.
Accept these feelings as part of yourself and move forward.
If you can't accept what a garbage human being you really are then why are you posting here?
lotta projection
Is Yukiko BLEACHED-coded?
mmf
I don't know the concept since I only played P5, but I'd be facing a socially awkward, degenerate, self loathing idiot and the current me is too happy not to be like that anymore, except for the degenerate part.
I would easily face my shadow, but I wouldn't be able to face anyone after it and would become a hikko until I end up in the street and die.
There's no part of myself that I try to deny. The only reason I'd scream "You're not me!" is the fact that there's people around to hear my secrets.
>embodiment of my sickest fetishes
No.
I'd say so, I'm at peace with my baggage and don't really care about the consequences of people learning it
>I have no idea what my shadow would be
Am I the only one anons? The shadow is supposed to be my worst self right? I'm fucking living that.
It's whatever your insecurities are but exaggerated to the point of absurdity. Who knows what it'd look like when you're living the absurdity, all examples of it in the games are only of people with overwhelmingly underwhelming issues
I feel you bro, i already am my worst self and fully accept it, no room for shadow
Yes
Itd probably make my fiancee dump me upon finding out just how much time i spend thinking about murdering amerisharts or that im too lazy to sacrifice anything at all for her, so id just let it kill me
>Be a NEET, leech, loser
>Get "WoOoOoAaAaAhHhH"-'d to Midnight Channel along with my family
>End up at the Midnight Channel equivalent of the door to my bedroom
"Aha, so my Shadow is going to call me a lazy loser? I already know that though! Haha! Free Persona Get!"
>Open the door
>It's an opulent Palace filled with trophies, beautiful maids, and expensive/rare artwork and decorations
>Maids excitedly and happily usher us into what looks like a throne room
>We enter and a dashing laugh echoes from being a curtain at the far end of the room
>It lifts to reveal a lean, handsome, and charismatic version of myself sitting comfortably on a throne
>"I'm the you that you could've been if you had simply worked harder!"
"What bullshit, I didn't have the opportunities to succeed in life to this degree. Only those born rich could affor- Ah."
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>getting that easily baited by your own shadow
oof
I probably could. It would say I'm a lonely loser but I'd get a cool persona like Quasimodo or something.
Not being edgy but I feel like Im the shadow here and if I get some persona arc people would be fighting to recruit the good half of me.
Imagine in a Persona game if the dude in your group thats an absolute cunt and embraces his vices gets trapped in a dungeon and you have to save him from a by-the-book lawful evil guy. Like an inner light instead of a shadow, gets so tired that his real self is some cynical unmotivated asshole so he thinks that by killing the real half that he will take over and realize his full potential. But in the end the asshole teaches his light side that you need balance and even beyond his cunt exterior he still really does care.
no
Admit it even if you won against your shadow you would get a preta or similar as a persona
My persona would be Mara
It's anime, and your persona is personalized rather than pulled from the collective list
Besides, I can think of worse results than getting something that comes with a money vacuum spell
>Could you face your shadow and gain a Persona
yes
>in front of your family or loved ones?
no
I'd be so happy to see my shadow I would immediately start crying and thanking him for killing me
In the context of P4, your shadow essentially is a manifestation of the part of yourself you are ashamed of, if that side came to public knowledge.
Meaning, for most of you your shadow would either be gay/bi like Kanji or something to do with fetishes. Or, if any of you feel insecure about being dumb, your shadow would be an angry simpleton calling other people idiots in anger, all day long. Like most people do on this site.
It IS your actual shadow, it represents the dark side of your personality, the part you don't acknowledge and try to hold down. But its goal is not to simply express itself freely. If we're talking about the context of P4, we should also bear in mind that shadows are incentivized to get you to deny them. Most of them, being oriented towards simpler and more immediate yields by their nature as Shadows, choose to do this by aiming for a knee-jerk "YOU'RE NOT ME" response.
They do this by leveraging the secrets and feelings that would be embarrassing if revealed.
I think my shadow would just be fat disgusting selfish tranny so you know, probably can‘t face that.
Why is this the one type of Persona thread that's immune to the... general shittery they usually devolve into?
Because you are mostly discussing the psychology side of things and that isn't very attractive for common shitposters.
I don't think these irregular pity parties are much better, really. Persona logic is inconsistent as fuck anyway.
Anon, I get it, you're sooooo enlightened... it's just as bad to be a little mopey and self-aware enough to not worry about being "edgy" for a moment as to scream about rape and unrape for 500 posts.
There's nothing enlightened about seeing the pointlessness in the exercise of wondering whether you'd get anime powers if dropped into the setting. It's the same shit every time, as well.
>I'd be fine, I'm honest with myself
>Ackshually the shadow can't just be accepted like that because [esoteric explanations that don't mesh with what the games demonstrate]
>I think I'd just fuck my shadow tbh
>the pointlessness in the exercise of wondering whether you'd get anime powers if dropped into the setting
It's fun to imagine and to dissect yourself through a simple symbolism-heavy lens like this one. Don't read so far into it.
Hilarious misunderstandings of Jungian psychology by people who only understand Persona and people who don't actually understand Persona all that well are funny, not nearly as bad as your typical shitposter.
Don't try to pretend this thread is on the level of most of Ganker.
I don't think Persona goes too far from Jungian concepts, but the real issue is assuming everyone would be at odds with the shadow in the exact same ways. Would make more sense if you had an Ego self too running around and the characters decided to side with it every time until they think about it hard enough.
In P4 rules, the shadow only exists once the conscious person enters the TV world, and with their shadow right there making itself look bad on purpose, they'd naturally become "more" of the ego just as a defensive measure, a reflex practically. In this way, the person is made to act more as their own ego than as themself.
I don't know what you two are talking about but I just want to say Persona doesn't equal to Jungian psychology. It is merely inspired by it. You can't assume things in regard to Persona on the basis of Jung or his thinking.
>I just want to say Persona doesn't equal to Jungian psychology.
Well it should, would make it more fun.
> In this way, the person is made to act more as their own ego than as themself.
Now that's a cool way to see it. You can assume the characters also thought like anons here at some point, but to have their shadow appear on local TV surely triggers a response from the ego anyway, and then it gets even worse when they enter their own dungeon.
If they were to just meet the shadow in private it would probably not work for most people.
Yeah, exactly. Nobody knows what their actual deepest, most repressed issues are, and even if the shadow isn't explicitly screaming about them, seeing someone who clearly has some connection to you even lightly hint at your REAL issues, in public, would get a hell of an instinctive response.
>Nobody knows what their actual deepest, most repressed issues are
I'd argue some do, but you sure don't want to see them on local TV.
because once you get past the generic "ahhh my shadow would be depressed" first couple of replies it gets fun to self reflect on how fucked up it would be
And it’s kinda tough to figure out. Like
says, your shadow wouldn’t just be making fun of you or spilling secrets in front of your friends for kicks (if it did, wouldn’t Mitsuo’s shadow just tell everyone he wasn’t the killer?), it would specifically be something you do not believe about yourself, at least not without careful reflection. Something you deny, even to yourself.
>“I’m secretly depressed” “Haha same”
No.
Sauce?
Sumata Cafe
>implying there’s anything I deny about myself
I accept what I am fully. A fat coomer with no real prospects, and I’m content in that.
I'm pretty sure my shadow would just kill me with no conversation.
Anons, your Shadow wouldn’t ACTUALLY bring up e-boi, would it?
Mine would. I could handle it alone, but in front of others? Give me the Evoker loaded with real bullets, I’ll just fucking end it myself.
Yes it would, oh my god it would, I bet the fucker would also just conveniently not mention that I also like developed teenagers, adults and most of all, hags, but of course I would be trapped between trying to deny that with "that's not the only thing I like" which already is a confirmation of the first thing.
>shadow: I hate real women and love little anime girls
>me: Based shadow me!
mindbroken tranny
are you mad, mutt?
Nanakino
Let's see.. my shadow must be a fat, ugly, gay retard, who acts like a manchild. I've made great strides in the past couple of year coping with everything I hate about myself. I'd say I have a fighting chance. Bring it on.
My shadow is that I secretly hate all my friends and family.
guys i am not the only one who likes that nerdy girl from persona 3 right? she's judgement I think
Give me one reason I can't just freak out and go
>YEP, UH HUH I COMPLETELY ACCEPT YOU STOP TALKING
Is a shadow is a subconscious denial of something about yourself I doubt I would even be aware of what it was to begin with.
Naoto's shadow most likely had a dick, just saying.
>Investigation Team comes to rescue you
>they're oddly quiet after being through your dungeon
>they hear your shadow say all the fucked up shit about you
>you deny it, it turns into a boss fight
>they beat the boss and you have to get up and admit that it's true
>you gain a Persona and turn to them, saying you're ready to fight alongside them a-
>"Yeah...uh....we don't....want you."
>"That stuff was a little too much....even for us."
If the scooby doo gang won't accept you then you really ARE too fucked up for this world
>Character is a pedophile but hasnt ever acted on it, so isnt a criminal.
>Feels guilt about this but also the whole dungeon was UOOOOHHHHH e-boi EROTIC NANAKOOOOOO, and the shadow went around telling and showing the kind of doujins the character reads
Honestly what is Yu supposed to do about it once they are out of the tv world?
He was friendly with a serial killer, he can be friendly with a pedophile.
>and the shadow went around telling and showing the kind of doujins the character reads
That sounds like something Yu would do normally with a straight face. When it comes to his love for Nanako, nothing is held back.
Honestly I want to play with the character a little.
>Moral commitee or whatever guy in the student council. Nicest and most respectable guy around, A+ student, but also really strict about keeping morals.
>Turns out he is the biggest horndog in the school. He feels sexually attracted to all the women in the school. Has fapped to Yukiko, Rise, Chie, Naoto, Kashiwafi, the fat girl, everyone. All the smut he's confiscated he just took it for himself and he feels a sick sense of satisfaction by having power over other students. HASNT fapped to Nanako but once met her and Yu on the street and has "noticed" her and the shadow goes in full detail about how attractive he finds her, along with all other fantasies he's had with the other girls on the school. Dude really, really cares about his public image and how students perceive him and for some reason wants to be someone who Yu can depend on as a senpai. He feels some guilt about his thoughts but he doesnt care that much since he hasnt abused his power once but feels that lately the fantasies are going a bit too strong.
How are the girls and Yu supposed to react to that and try to encourage him to be a better person?
They don't understand the curse of the dick, it'll get hard to what it wants. It's up to you to deny it's craving, but it's still hard nonetheless.
I can imagine Yu and everyone keeping an eye on you when Nanako comes around
>"Oh Nanako, I love your dress it's so cute!"
>"Yeah I love the designs on it!"
>"Pretty cool Nanako!"
>Anon tries not to be a weirdo and just gives her a compliment
>Anon "Yeah if only she were 10 years older am I right guys?"
>Everyone just stares at you in silence
I'm sad that Persona 4 (and the series in general) never explored the idea of a genuinely nice character having some deep dark shit exposed and the main cast having to have a genuine discussion about whether they should bring said character aboard. Every team member in P4 was recruited with a
>"Yeah, we know your secret, but we understand what's it's like to feel that way dude."
Fuck that, let them see some messed up shit that goes through the mind of some people and have them wonder if they want to keep being around someone that they know won't act on those dark thoughts, but does have them nonetheless.
yu would just beat him up and tell him to stay away from nanako
Who cares? You have a Persona now, you can do whatever you want
>they try to turn him down
>Yu checks anon's Persona
>it's a Unicorn
>incredible stats
>starting skills are salvation, amrita, samerecarm, and luster candy
>Yu begrudgingly allows anon into the party while the rest argue with him
Actually Persona 4 has Heat Riser, not Luster Candy.
I know but luster candy is party-wide while heat riser is single-target so I thought it would be funnier
Dragon Hustle is the Luster Candy equivalent if you wanna get autistic
Most probably not. I think my Shadow would fuck me up badly because the whole "you're basically Shinji from EVA" and the fetish dump would be exactly what I would expect from it, so what I picture is that my Shadow would open with those topics, I would be able to navigate and accept them and when I'm with my guard down it would hit me with:
"Now why don't we talk about the afternoon you found your mother dead?"
And now I'm fucked because it would start to carve up how fucked up my relationship with her was, how I contemplated killing her when she was terminally ill and then why some fucked up shit passed through my mind when I found her corpse and why I was only able to cry when my brother came home and also saw her dead. This kind of shit I'm not only uncomfortable about showing to others, some of these things I can't even begin to explain and I self reflected about it for years and found nothing close to an answer. The worst thing my Shadow could do is give me that while also connecting it with my other issues. Basically it would just break me and I would meet whatever end it would give me.
Damn Anon, that shit sounds rough. Hope you're alright
I'm mostly fine, at least as fine as I can be being the usual HikkiNEET loser. The issues with my mom aren't something that consciously cause me trouble, they haunt me in a passive way that I can't really describe, I would not say that they were traumatic because I can revisit the memories without freaking out, yet they are very real in my mind because some parts of my relationship with her are things that I couldn't explain nor talk openly with loved ones. That's why I think this is the only element in my life that I'm conscious about that a Shadow could weaponize against me in a way that could make me deny it like what happens in the game.
Probably. I'm pretty self loathing so it's not like I deny parts of myself I don't like.
Is there anyone on Ganker that isn't a miserable pile of self-loathing?
>retarded teenagers that have no capability for self introspection get outargued by their shadows so that means that literally no one can ever be truly aware of themselves
What's with this line of thinking?
Are you actually incapable of accepting even the darkest parts of yourself?
No. I'm incapable of accepting the lightest parts.
If I accepted the darkest parts of myself I wouldn't even have the Shadow in the first place, rendering the entire situation moot.
I feel like you have to be in denial of a good balance of yourself to be a "normal" person. These threads show that if you're completely aware of your failings and shortcomings you end up here. Unless you have very few in which you're a gigachad and don't belong here.
Yeah it's not just the dark parts but even the most pathetic parts of me.
I am aware of it all.
I would say most people are aware of their darker sides, but there’s probably something my own shadow would say to me I’m not even aware I do.
The instant your shadow screams out "nagger" in front of a group of people and you're not hiding behind internet anonymity, most of you would be dead quiet.
That's pretty inoffensive in the grand scheme of things you're Shadow could say.
Not really, I don't live in burgerland and people say it like it's nothing here. You need to get your head out of your ass
>I don't live in burgerland and people say it like it's nothing here
Where do you live?
In Russia. homosexual is also not even a real swear word here, people frequently say it on prime time TV.
And from what I noticed in general, all countries outside of American sphere of influence don't have a no-no word culture and you can say whatever you want, as long as you are not rude directly to someone you're talking to.
Nah I don't think so, it'd be pretty fucked up if they see the actual real me and not the goody two shoes nice dummy guy front I put up all the time
Issues with knowing how shadows work aside, the other issue this discussion bumps into is that the cast of Persona are all insecure teenagers. People saying they don't imagine it being hard to accept their shadow aren't dodging the question, they are just reasonably well adjusted adults.
Facing the fact that you are unhappy about some things is only shocking and difficult if you're a hormonal child.
A Shadow doesn't have to be facing that you're unhappy about things, it can just be about you being in denial about anything, you see Shadows from all different ages in P5 and most of them are just people doing something bad that they've convinced themselves is okay when deep down they know it's not true.
id most likely be able to, but if its infront of my family i honestly cant think of any result that wouldnt involve either me killing them or me killing myself after the fact
hell, maybe even both
I don't really have any baggage.