>Laios my son >yuo are hero now >yu must choose wife and have children >will you pick butifel half-elf mulelieke >or gear fetishist you picked up from unemployment
Fuck i just realised i fucked up the image format.
Does this mean, that while new desires can be manifested, old ones can't?
Will Marcille never regain her sense of being afraid that the lion ate back when she became the dungeon lord?
Are we going to have a mad wizard with no sense of restraint or fear wandering around with intimate knowledge of forbidden arts and monster cuisine?
Isn't Marcille about to get dragged off to lifetime service in Elven Shtrafbat because she was briefly the dungeon lord and they know about her using forbidden sorcery?
The whole reason the Canaries exist is to prevent demon invasions, and the party just permanently solved that problem and put them out of a job in the process. The rules have presumably changed now that there's no risk of everyone getting killed just because some random asshole made the wrong wish.
I like the ‘uh you guys are vicious criminals and you’re going to FUCKING JAIL’ here.
Like the expressions here too. Pattdohl cares, Fleki cares a little bit, Lycion looks resigned and Otta and Cithis just seem surprised. I think we see the Canaries really aren’t good people - IMO Lycion was picking a fight with Kabru more because he’s just aggro and out of general elven elitism than because he cares about what happens to Mithrun. But maybe I’m being uncharitable.
>talk no jutsu works
This has to be because the demon is dead. The "personality" was composed of the desires it ate from others, and with it gone its victims can recover.
Or maybe Kabru is right and though the old desires are gone, Mithrun and others like him can develop new desires in the right environment/proper motivation. It's not out of the question. Remember, Mithrun was an emotionless, unmoving, husk before the Canaries recruited and gave him the idea of wanting revenge, iirc.
Or maybe Kabru is right and though the old desires are gone, Mithrun and others like him can develop new desires in the right environment/proper motivation. It's not out of the question. Remember, Mithrun was an emotionless, unmoving, husk before the Canaries recruited and gave him the idea of wanting revenge, iirc.
Not quite. Misurn was already a Canary when he got ate. Misril discovered him muttering about killing the demon and used that to keep him ticking.
I think that this sort of rehabilitation was always technically possible. It's just that it would have had to a) divert him from his only remaining motivation, b) come from someone who'd built a trusting relationship with him from the ground up, c) get approved when his dead-inside state was already literally good enough for government work.
Although it’s not well conveyed in the text, we should note Kabru is exceptionally perceptive of people around him and their inner motivations, and he’s in a unique position of having spent a lot of time around both elves and humans. So it may be that noticing Misurn still had the capacity to develop needed a lot of perception and only Kabru had the insight to notice.
Kabru being really good at reading people retroactively makes all of his misunderstandings with Laios all the funnier.
Like, here is a guy whose excellent at understanding what makes people tick and seeing things from their perspective. Until he meets the one guy he just doesn't fucking understand at all, holy shit Laios why are you so *weird* that Kabru spend half the manga thinking you were a supervillain just because it was the easiest way to explain your actions?
Eh as soon as he met Laius he realised he really was just a strange but very good-natured guy and not the boogeyman he’d built up in his head. They actually complement each other brilliantly and would be very useful to have in a party together.
This raises a question: now that dunegon meshi is wrapping up, does anyone else have any recommendations for other media with a Laios-like protagonist? By which I mean, a character who drives the plot not by being stronger than the bad guys but by being just such a *weird fucker* that they think and do things that no normal person would consider, and as a result solve problems that seem impossible at first glance.
The only other example that immediately comes to mind is Basara from Macross 7. Another example of the exact right kind of autist in the right place at the right time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
KJ Parker’s protagonists are often like this, although usually much more intelligent than Laius. His books get kind of samey so I would recommend trying The Folding Knife and going from there.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Manga really struggles having protags prevail through anything but brute force (or brute force disguised by intelligence)
I don't know. From what we've seen, Mithrun was mostly treated like a child by the other elves, who did absolutely nothing to break him out of his funk. Hell, they'd even decided he was basically dead at this point. No, it's very possible Mithrun was already doing way better than anyone thought, but the Canaries are just absolutely fucking terrible at encouraging or enabling it.
Hell, look at their previous interactions, where the dude could get Mithrun to do far, far more than any of the elves could. This shit was already there, under the surface.
Given that Mithrun had some kind of self-preservation instinct in place, something as simple as, "I don't want to be struck by lightning", during a storm would have come up.
Sure, but between all the other elves constantly smothering him and the fact that he's clearly in some sort of repressed state where he's denying his feelings, it's likely something he's just rationalizing.
Like you could easily twist this into "I don't want to be struck by lightning because then I can't take revenge on the demon." and then now it's just his only remaining desire and having to reflect on himself has nearly been avoided.
>I never wanted revenge, just to be eaten
tbh I don't see how this fits his previous behavior at all. Good for him to have found the will to go on and all that, but I can't help but see this revelation as an asspull. Like instead of shining a new light on his personality, the personality just suddenly changed. I can't recall a single previous scene that makes more sense if I think "desire to die" instead of "revenge".
I mean it is retroactive. Now that his mission is accomplished he realised he wasn’t looking for revenge but oblivion. It’s a revelation to him as well, one that has defeated him until Kabru comes along. I very often have feelings I think are one thing but realise later are actually another thing, so it doesn’t feel like an asspull to me - however, I am literally autistic so YMMV.
I mean I can sorta understand that, but my mileage is that fiction works much better if I can go back and see how it all makes sense during a reread, and I just don't see it here. Kui is generally very good at that too, so it's even more incongruous.
For me personally I find this is a more realistic character. Mithrun certainly did rage out against the demon so I can see
You have to remember that Mithrun is not very introspective, he doesn't think about how he thinks at all. What I'm guessing is that he genuinely WAS motivated by a desire for revenge, but now that the fight is over he has nothing left and his dreams have turned sour, so in his depressive funk he is re-contextualizing his past desires as 'If winning made me this unhappy, maybe what I really wanted was to just fucken die'.
So I would take what he is saying with a grain of salt like talking to any severely depressed person. It may be what he feels in the moment, but that doesn't make it true.
being true too, that this is more a transmutation than a feeling he’s always had. It all feels believable to me.
You have to remember that Mithrun is not very introspective, he doesn't think about how he thinks at all. What I'm guessing is that he genuinely WAS motivated by a desire for revenge, but now that the fight is over he has nothing left and his dreams have turned sour, so in his depressive funk he is re-contextualizing his past desires as 'If winning made me this unhappy, maybe what I really wanted was to just fucken die'.
So I would take what he is saying with a grain of salt like talking to any severely depressed person. It may be what he feels in the moment, but that doesn't make it true.
Eh, maybe that is how it could be in real life, but the narrative certainly makes it seem like his interpretation is, in fact, correct. You don't throw in denial and confusion at this point of the story, where everything's getting resolved.
It's not denial and confusion getting thrown in at this point, it's revelation and ensuing catharsis.His inner-conflict that caused the denial and confusion is resolved.
It's also possible that it was that he wanted to be finished off, but the time he spent babbling to himself let him form the new desire of revenge. If the one thing you want can't happen, it can easily turn into fury towards the person responsible.
This actually seems like a pretty Lion-demon thing to do.
Why not leave a seed of a desire that will spread throughout the entire - otherwise husk - you have after devouring him? And it's one that will home back to the demon to boot. Plus it's petty and self-gratifying for the demon, so checks out for me.
Bless Senshi. He's been kinda sidelined these last few chapters, but his time to shine is coming up and he's still giving good dad advice through food metaphors.
>This actually seems like a pretty Lion-demon thing to do. >Why not leave a seed of a desire that will spread throughout the entire - otherwise husk - you have after devouring him?
That's actually the most unlionlike thing possible to do.
His whole point as an antagonist is to show the fault of absolute, unrestrained consumption, to contrast the main cast of characters who try to understand and respect the circle of life.
He does not have an ounce of self-restraint in his body to wait for seeds of desire to grow. Remember how he almost ended the world through consuming, and instead of toning it down, the only lesson he learned was "damn I should have consumed even faster while I still had the chance".
The only sustainable food production model he can imagine is "just make food infinite with magic".
Have you ever seen a one-euyed woman cry ?
That poor soul looks so pitiful, crying out of her one eye
It's misery, every time she cries it hurts poor me
She has a blog on http://nisiryu.blogspot.com/.
Different sketches you mention are compiled in extra chapters of the volumes.
In https://mangadex.org/title/d90ea6cb-7bc3-4d80-8af0-28557e6c4e17/dungeon-meshi?tab=chapters they are named Daydream Hour.
Thank you for the blog, but i can't found some images like the portraits of the Baldur's Gate NPC. Which seems to come from her blog https://nklerwjrejhshaasl.tumblr.com/ that aparently was deactivated
https://imgur.com/a/d2Wxs8b
Thank you for the blog, but i can't found some images like the portraits of the Baldur's Gate NPC. Which seems to come from her blog https://nklerwjrejhshaasl.tumblr.com/ that aparently was deactivated
https://imgur.com/a/d2Wxs8b
She used to delete stuff that she drew constantly. IIRC during the manga's publication she deactivated at least four of her blogs (sometimes she just wiped it out) before settling on the one you were linked.
Best you can do is look for the Dungeon Meshi threads in the /a/ and /tg/ archives. Try using the word blog, archive, deleted or something similar. If you're lucky maybe you'll find someone's archive (I believe one existed, but it's been so long I'm not so sure anymore). Otherwise, well, you'll just have to collect the pics one by one.
And hey, if the archive doesn't exist, you can always be proactive and make one yourself.
>I believe one existed, but it's been so long I'm not so sure anymore
Hope this is the case, because i really like her style. And finding this late haunts me, because is coming late to a party and missing a bunch of good stuff.
I really like this page because it simultaneously has explicit and implicit characterization.
Explicit how Rin hides her happiness.
Implicit how Kabru can read people and isn't shy about trading them.
Going purely by the volume formats, there's about 7 chapters each volume, and with this chapter we're 2 over what's most likely going to be volume 13, so I'm guessing we have up to 5 chapters left, unless 13 is going to be a real big volume (it would have 9 chapters as of now) so maybe 1 more if that's the case? Feels like there's probably going to be more going on so I'm gonna say 5~ left, maybe less if they make 14 shorter or include a bunch of extras/behind the scenes stuff to round it out/boost the page count.
Other option is 2-3 more chapters plus some after stories/side stories.
Or maybe Kui goes crazy and does a New Game+ or sequel story ala DBZ because she can't stop world building.
I think she will move on to another thing. She’s done a lot of short stories and clearly likes fantasy themes but is original enough not to do a DM continuation. I think she might do a modern SoL fantasy thing, maybe with those satyr girl “roommates” she draws.
So now that the end draws near, what are your guesses for the leading subject of internet dungeon meshi discussion: the Marcille cup? What's the endgame, who will win it? >Laios >Farlyn >both >neither, friendship ending
maybe I'm being overly conscious but does anyone else feel that laois seems a little, off? I don't mean in his appearance or anything major, he's still the socially awkward charismatic leader, but there's something different.
Maybe I'm just making things up from trying to figure out what he lost.
So uh, how will the final words of the Lion fuck over the revival of Falin? >Resurrection no longer works >Falin is fucking bonkers from all the body trauma when revived >Something horrible happens to those that ate her as they try to revive >Her soul refuses to return to her body because of the mana fuckery lash-back >Everyone misunderstood how resurrection works with new bodies etc >etc
>Sis gets eaten by dragon at the bottom of the dungeon >Dragons digest things slowly, so if we get there quick enough and cut open the dragon, there will be enough left to revive >Shit, we didn't get there fast enough >The elf says "....Hey, I know a bit of highly illegal dark magic, and dragon meat sorta counts as remains?" >Yay! Sis is back! >Huh, something's off about her >OH FUCK, DARK MAGIC IS ILLEGIAL FOR A REASON >....So if we cut away the dragon bits, we can bring back sis, right?
Not really since they literally are dismantling her body parts. There's not much "hotness" in this. It's just a plot point.
But read it if you're intrigued, not much sense in spoiling yourself over nothing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You might be surprised at the wide variety of vore fetishes. There are some vore people who are actually aroused by the concept of being digested and turned into a part of the creature eating them. I'm not even convinced that it's a single fetish, just a bunch of different fetishes with enough similarities to jack off to the same stories/pictures most of the time.
There's actually a pretty good example of it that sometimes gets posted on tg (I actually had to see other examples of the artist's work in order to realize that it was a fetish since it's genuinely an emotionally impacting story without obvious fetish elements) where a kobold serves a dragon for its entire life and when it gets too old to be of use the dragon eats it and it's overjoyed to be serving its master one last time as it dies in the dragon's stomach.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not really since they literally are dismantling her body parts. There's not much "hotness" in this.
Dude hears about a series with an entire theme around cooking and eating to survive, climaxing on a large banquet scene where all the characters resolve the main problem of the series by cooking and eating a thing all together, and thinks of internet fetish stuff.
It makes more sense in context. Resurrection magic exists in the setting, but (much like D&D) it requires you have the target's body at least mostly intact to function. Adventurers can die in the dungeon and be revived, but if they get eaten by monsters there's no saving them, so it's still a risky profession, and even if you can be brought back nobody likes fucking dying.
Laios' sister was eaten by a dragon, so they had to rush and try to kill it before her corpse was gone. By the time it happened, they had to use Marcille's dark magic to use the dragon's flesh and blood as a substitute for her own remains.
HOWEVER, as they learned, the reason that adventurers can be revived in the dungeon is because their souls linger in their body longer than on the surface.......Which includes the dragon. So now dragon-sister is on a rampage. So now they need to destroy the body and allow its lingering soul to move on, and as establlished being eaten by monsters (or people) accomplishes that. So everybody's gotta eat the dragon.
Makes sense in context.
The way resurrection works in the series is that the more damaged a body is, the less likely the resurrection is to work. So a death from a small injury would be trivial to heal, but someone who's body is completely destroyed is impossible to revive.
After they killed the dragon, they used only a small part of it to resurrect the sister. Other parts they ate and started preparing for eating later.
The dragon was revived by an evil sorcerer, and the dragon parts used to revive the sister contributed to the revival, so she became a dragon chimera. The dragon parts just left there and the ones prepared for eating were also incorporated.
The only parts of the dragon that weren't used were the parts that were eaten, so their plan is to eat the dragon parts until there's only 1 human's worth of material, hopefully reviving the sister but not the dragon.
Too long. Something like "a mad wizard fused her with a dragon and eating the dragon parts will (maybe) separate her soul from the dragon's" would've sufficed.
Isn't all of Fairlyn made from dragon, even the human parts? She was resurrected from a bare skeleton. Seems like there shouldn't really be a "human" component to her flesh, appearance notwithstanding.
Her soul inhabited the body before the rest was lumped into the chimera, theoretically if they can remove enough of the other soul until her soul is the majority it could work. Probably.
>Her bones are still human.
Going by that logic, the dragon part also has its own, monster bones, and a lot of them. So even going by pure skeleton ratio, Farlyn is still in the minority. And bones are indigestible, they can't eat that part.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They didn't use the bones when they resurrected her though, did they? Thistle remade them. I think that anon's point was that there are still human parts in her so she's not 100% dragon, just majority.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I understand that, and it was a good point. Not 100% of the chimera came from the dragon. *My* point, however, is that they can't possibly eat enough of the creature to make Farlyn be in the majority. This is because she's only a skeleton, and even if they were to devour all the meat, it would still leave them with the monster skeleton, which is larger.
I can't remember, did dungeon monsters have souls? They're all just the lions creations no?
there were ghosts but those were supposed to be souls of adventurers that never got resurrected. There's the Golden Country but they're humans trapped in the dungeon.
There's also the paintings but I don't think they're actually alive...
Itsuzumi was also described as having two souls inside of her. There was this chapter with succubi reading her preferences that made it very explicit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can't remember, did dungeon monsters have souls? They're all just the lions creations no?
there were ghosts but those were supposed to be souls of adventurers that never got resurrected. There's the Golden Country but they're humans trapped in the dungeon.
There's also the paintings but I don't think they're actually alive...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Marcille says they don't resurrect at least, but I don't know if that means no souls per se. They talk about the dragon's soul too, so maybe they do? If this were real life they could just be wrong but it's fiction so I'm inclined to think they're correct unless the author specifically points out they were wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thistle has to resurrect them manually, though there might be a rebirth thing set up.
Her soul inhabited the body before the rest was lumped into the chimera, theoretically if they can remove enough of the other soul until her soul is the majority it could work. Probably.
Yeah I think this is gonna fail and the theory they're basing this on is iffy at best. I'm pretty sure the Lion knew it would't work because it doesn't exist to anymore to actually fuel a curse on Laius to deny him his wish.
Farlyn's chimeric form is just a contrivance. Her body looked 100% human due to Marcille's spell, she could have looked 100% draconic if Laius was designing her instead of Thistle who threw out the most lethal parts and added chicken feathers for some reason.
Both Farlyn and Izutsumi are stuck, and the best they could hope for is magic tattoos that give them some degree of control like Lycion. Farlyn's nature and personality will be irrevocably changed by having a (now liberated) red dragon soul in her.
I haven't read the chapters Falin was resurrected before turning chimera in a very long time, is it possible they just resurrected the dragon in her body to begin with? There was some scene I barely remember that gave me the impression she had amnesia. Did she say anything only Falin would know? I just can't remember the dialogue from that long ago.
But like her soul had already left and it was just the dragon's mind in her body acting how it thought the party wanted her to act. Maybe not even conscious of it because it didn't remember what it was. It's magic so developing human intelligence in a human body wouldn't be impossible, just like Laios getting put in a beast's body made his mind like a beast. If I get enough time to reread those chapters later today, I'm sure this idea will look dumb as hell.
They resurrected her body with both souls within.
Either because of the spell or because the Red Dragon is pretty much a mindless thrall, Farlyn had control until Thistle showed up and brought the dragon's soul to the fore.
It's like when Izutsumi was in the golden kingdom and became an even dumber cat than usual. Her soul priority got messed up.
They can't really know whether it was her soul, they just performed a ritual and rebuilt her body hoping it was her soul lingering in it and not the soul the flesh belonged to or some other ghost. But this is irrelevant because I checked the chapters and she remembers a scar she got when she was a child, so it has to be her and not another soul thinking they're her.
>she remembers a scar she got when she was a child, so it has to be her
Just realized the scar she got "as a kid" is exactly where the dragon got stabbed and now I'm paranoid. It's debunked, right? There's no way.
Going over all of her dialogue from her resurrection to her being taken over and leaving (chapters 27 and 28):
She said "brother" when she saw Laios and said "Chil" when she saw Chilchuck.
She also said "Marcille", but Laios already said Marcille's name right before so it doesn't count.
She mentions a scar she got when she was a kid, but we don't actually know if that's true because Laios wasn't there to confirm (and Marcille didn't seem to recognize it). And as
>she remembers a scar she got when she was a child, so it has to be her
Just realized the scar she got "as a kid" is exactly where the dragon got stabbed and now I'm paranoid. It's debunked, right? There's no way.
pointed out, it is in the same spot the dragon got stabbed.
She talks about the red dragon like it's someone else.
She mentions Namari and Shuro by name.
Not dialogue, but she does instinctively protect Senshi and the group from the explosion, which would be an odd thing for the dragon to do.
She eats dragon meat without hesitation. Again, would be pretty odd if she was the dragon, since that'd be her own flesh.
She says it feels like she hasn't eaten in a long time, which checks out either way.
She spergs out about eating monsters with Laios. Not impossible for a dragon, all things considered, but it seemed like a Falin thing to do.
Interestingly, when she picks up Kensuke, he jumps out of her hand.
She sees a ghost at one point, which I don't think dragons can do.
When she and Marcille are gonna sleep together, Falin wonders if she'll fit because she's a lot bigger than she was when they were in school.
She doesn't remember what she did right before she died.
Nothing else really indicates anything one way or another, but it seems like Falin was in control for the short time.
>She sees a ghost at one point, which I don't think dragons can do.
I am more behind on dungeon lore than I thought.
That's a thing? Dragons not seeing ghosts?
There just isn't any reason to think that they can. There also isn't really any reason to think that they can't except that most things can't, but that's pretty convincing IMO
The Canaries still have to go around preventing people from tapping directly into the infinite dimension, a new demon can form from nothingness like the first one did.
It's just realities way of punishing you for using magic to do troll physics bullshit like a perpetual motion machine.
Supposedly you can't reform the same desires so it's hard to imagine what desire would make it so dangerous again. It's possible, but I don't think the Canaries would be talking about disbanding if there was a real threat.
I'm genuinely curious to see if this thread will survive until the trailer drops. It's a little under 4 more days and Kui has been updating her blog around this time of month lately.
>Laios my son
>yuo are hero now
>yu must choose wife and have children
>will you pick butifel half-elf mulelieke
>or gear fetishist you picked up from unemployment
I pik ork queen oot bak
He's the hero who killed (ate) the Demon Lord. He's entitled to a harem of all the non neuro-typical cuties.
Excuse me? That gear fetishist is exclusively for the twins. She's got a height fetish.
Laius is very tall anon.
He's already sworn to his p'ork bride!
Porc bride is the endgame.
>Are we fucked?
>¯_(ツ)_/¯
I fucking love that fairy.
Real Chen Energy.
>world is saved and demonic entity is yeeted forever
>elves still bitch
People in charge don't like it when things change in ways they can't control.
>that interpretation of that page
>while posting that pic
You'll fit into /tg/, don't worry.
>fairy of the hand, what is your wisdom?
>¯_(ツ)_/¯
Does this mean, that while new desires can be manifested, old ones can't?
Will Marcille never regain her sense of being afraid that the lion ate back when she became the dungeon lord?
Are we going to have a mad wizard with no sense of restraint or fear wandering around with intimate knowledge of forbidden arts and monster cuisine?
From what Senshi says, maybe its possible to regain said desires (in a way) over time once you develop enough new ones?
Isn't Marcille about to get dragged off to lifetime service in Elven Shtrafbat because she was briefly the dungeon lord and they know about her using forbidden sorcery?
The entire party knows about forbidden magic, yet the elves support them. She'll be fine.
Half of those people are in the Canaries for using forbidden magic themselves, why would they hold it against her?
The whole reason the Canaries exist is to prevent demon invasions, and the party just permanently solved that problem and put them out of a job in the process. The rules have presumably changed now that there's no risk of everyone getting killed just because some random asshole made the wrong wish.
I want an elfboy fucktoy too.
Oh, he's already completely shut down.
Fuck i just realised i fucked up the image format.
HE LIVES
>that fucking face
Cithis still most likely flight risk
Realistically the only one that isn't is Fleki, and that because she wants to nod off and literally fly as a bird.
I hope she gets pardoned so she doesn't have to kill Pat.
She won't, she will die in mysterious circumstances and soon after pattdohl will develop a radical tanning habit and big tits.
I like the ‘uh you guys are vicious criminals and you’re going to FUCKING JAIL’ here.
Like the expressions here too. Pattdohl cares, Fleki cares a little bit, Lycion looks resigned and Otta and Cithis just seem surprised. I think we see the Canaries really aren’t good people - IMO Lycion was picking a fight with Kabru more because he’s just aggro and out of general elven elitism than because he cares about what happens to Mithrun. But maybe I’m being uncharitable.
>Have you ever tried sex with a beautiful black twink? That could be your new desire!
Rin is going to have a Bad End, isn't she?
Yes, because unlike her, the gnome onee-san isn't holding back.
>when they see your BHC
Wow. Even the lesbian pedo is impressed by your size. And she only fucks little girls!
No such thing.
...why do they look unhappy then?
Because such a thing does not exist.
because it's too big.
Its too big for them.
Sloppily fixed.
fleki's face is terrifying
>talk no jutsu works
This has to be because the demon is dead. The "personality" was composed of the desires it ate from others, and with it gone its victims can recover.
Or maybe Kabru is right and though the old desires are gone, Mithrun and others like him can develop new desires in the right environment/proper motivation. It's not out of the question. Remember, Mithrun was an emotionless, unmoving, husk before the Canaries recruited and gave him the idea of wanting revenge, iirc.
Not quite. Misurn was already a Canary when he got ate. Misril discovered him muttering about killing the demon and used that to keep him ticking.
I think that this sort of rehabilitation was always technically possible. It's just that it would have had to a) divert him from his only remaining motivation, b) come from someone who'd built a trusting relationship with him from the ground up, c) get approved when his dead-inside state was already literally good enough for government work.
Although it’s not well conveyed in the text, we should note Kabru is exceptionally perceptive of people around him and their inner motivations, and he’s in a unique position of having spent a lot of time around both elves and humans. So it may be that noticing Misurn still had the capacity to develop needed a lot of perception and only Kabru had the insight to notice.
Kabru being really good at reading people retroactively makes all of his misunderstandings with Laios all the funnier.
Like, here is a guy whose excellent at understanding what makes people tick and seeing things from their perspective. Until he meets the one guy he just doesn't fucking understand at all, holy shit Laios why are you so *weird* that Kabru spend half the manga thinking you were a supervillain just because it was the easiest way to explain your actions?
Eh as soon as he met Laius he realised he really was just a strange but very good-natured guy and not the boogeyman he’d built up in his head. They actually complement each other brilliantly and would be very useful to have in a party together.
This raises a question: now that dunegon meshi is wrapping up, does anyone else have any recommendations for other media with a Laios-like protagonist? By which I mean, a character who drives the plot not by being stronger than the bad guys but by being just such a *weird fucker* that they think and do things that no normal person would consider, and as a result solve problems that seem impossible at first glance.
The only other example that immediately comes to mind is Basara from Macross 7. Another example of the exact right kind of autist in the right place at the right time.
KJ Parker’s protagonists are often like this, although usually much more intelligent than Laius. His books get kind of samey so I would recommend trying The Folding Knife and going from there.
Manga really struggles having protags prevail through anything but brute force (or brute force disguised by intelligence)
That is the only reasonable explanation.
Otherwise basic interactions with the world would have given Mithrun desires already.
I don't know. From what we've seen, Mithrun was mostly treated like a child by the other elves, who did absolutely nothing to break him out of his funk. Hell, they'd even decided he was basically dead at this point. No, it's very possible Mithrun was already doing way better than anyone thought, but the Canaries are just absolutely fucking terrible at encouraging or enabling it.
Hell, look at their previous interactions, where the dude could get Mithrun to do far, far more than any of the elves could. This shit was already there, under the surface.
Given that Mithrun had some kind of self-preservation instinct in place, something as simple as, "I don't want to be struck by lightning", during a storm would have come up.
Sure, but between all the other elves constantly smothering him and the fact that he's clearly in some sort of repressed state where he's denying his feelings, it's likely something he's just rationalizing.
Like you could easily twist this into "I don't want to be struck by lightning because then I can't take revenge on the demon." and then now it's just his only remaining desire and having to reflect on himself has nearly been avoided.
Best couple. Absolutely wholesome and heartwarming chapter.
God damnit, I'm not a fujo, but they do make a really lovely pair.
Still an incredibly cool powerset.
Can someone do the math on how much that section of ice would weigh?
whatever it is Senshi is holding up like 80% of it
I think even a very generous estimate of the dimensions of that ice chunk would put it at several tons
1 ton per cubic meter and it looks like 3-4 cubic meters.
Slightly less as ice is less dense than water, but yeah probably a shit ton.
Chimera Farlin is bigger than our biggest land animal, an Elephant. You can take a guess of how much she must weight.
Bless this manga.
The expressions here are great.
I just love the sight gag with Chilchack.
Even Cicero who relentlessly mocked the Epicureans came to recognize the healing power of good food and fellowship.
How would it look as a 'me and the boys' edit
Cat is manager material.
I love you Chilchack, but you're not holding a damn thing. Then again, that is the Rogue move.
wait a minute
I just realized if you remove the hair and the ear she would look like Saitama with that expression.
Well Yeah, Saitama has an intentionally simplified design to evoke the imagery of gag panels like that.
I love cats face here.
Good job, Marcille, you were the healer of the party, but you also broke your spine along with your friends. 10/10.
>chilchuck
that little shit
two kinds of rogues
>Chilchak pretends to help when he doesn't do anything
>kot wants people to know she doesnt give a shit.
The scene is far funnier if Chilchack believes he's about to be crushed.
Yeah, that was my reading, that he genuinely thinks the ice *is* over him.
Damn, I'm surprised Marcille can hold her side
She's a strong mule.
I love how proactive Flamela is being.
he has a fucking vore fetish
Annnnd that's it for this month. See you next month anons.
Tbh all WL eating scenes have a weird sexual tone which makes me question Lady Ryoko's sanity but then i remember she's a woman so it's normal.
>I never wanted revenge, just to be eaten
tbh I don't see how this fits his previous behavior at all. Good for him to have found the will to go on and all that, but I can't help but see this revelation as an asspull. Like instead of shining a new light on his personality, the personality just suddenly changed. I can't recall a single previous scene that makes more sense if I think "desire to die" instead of "revenge".
>DESU
how the hell did "DESU" transform into that
Oooooh, it's deliberate.
word filter. Been in use for years, man...
Clearly I haven't been trying to be honest enough up until now.
We need some new filters implemented already.
Every April Fools there should be an expansion pack based on the previous year.
I mean it is retroactive. Now that his mission is accomplished he realised he wasn’t looking for revenge but oblivion. It’s a revelation to him as well, one that has defeated him until Kabru comes along. I very often have feelings I think are one thing but realise later are actually another thing, so it doesn’t feel like an asspull to me - however, I am literally autistic so YMMV.
I mean I can sorta understand that, but my mileage is that fiction works much better if I can go back and see how it all makes sense during a reread, and I just don't see it here. Kui is generally very good at that too, so it's even more incongruous.
For me personally I find this is a more realistic character. Mithrun certainly did rage out against the demon so I can see
being true too, that this is more a transmutation than a feeling he’s always had. It all feels believable to me.
You have to remember that Mithrun is not very introspective, he doesn't think about how he thinks at all. What I'm guessing is that he genuinely WAS motivated by a desire for revenge, but now that the fight is over he has nothing left and his dreams have turned sour, so in his depressive funk he is re-contextualizing his past desires as 'If winning made me this unhappy, maybe what I really wanted was to just fucken die'.
So I would take what he is saying with a grain of salt like talking to any severely depressed person. It may be what he feels in the moment, but that doesn't make it true.
Eh, maybe that is how it could be in real life, but the narrative certainly makes it seem like his interpretation is, in fact, correct. You don't throw in denial and confusion at this point of the story, where everything's getting resolved.
It's not denial and confusion getting thrown in at this point, it's revelation and ensuing catharsis.His inner-conflict that caused the denial and confusion is resolved.
It's also possible that it was that he wanted to be finished off, but the time he spent babbling to himself let him form the new desire of revenge. If the one thing you want can't happen, it can easily turn into fury towards the person responsible.
Slutboy
This actually seems like a pretty Lion-demon thing to do.
Why not leave a seed of a desire that will spread throughout the entire - otherwise husk - you have after devouring him? And it's one that will home back to the demon to boot. Plus it's petty and self-gratifying for the demon, so checks out for me.
Bless Senshi. He's been kinda sidelined these last few chapters, but his time to shine is coming up and he's still giving good dad advice through food metaphors.
>This actually seems like a pretty Lion-demon thing to do.
>Why not leave a seed of a desire that will spread throughout the entire - otherwise husk - you have after devouring him?
That's actually the most unlionlike thing possible to do.
His whole point as an antagonist is to show the fault of absolute, unrestrained consumption, to contrast the main cast of characters who try to understand and respect the circle of life.
He does not have an ounce of self-restraint in his body to wait for seeds of desire to grow. Remember how he almost ended the world through consuming, and instead of toning it down, the only lesson he learned was "damn I should have consumed even faster while I still had the chance".
The only sustainable food production model he can imagine is "just make food infinite with magic".
See, captain, you're not completely useless.
Blessed be that walking shagpile.
Food really solves all, doesnt it
Cry-smiling Mithrun is a blessing.
CUTE
>Hope and Smile:
>RESTORED
I’m as hetero as the next anon, but this chapter clearly establishes Mithrun was built for brown human twink cock.
No no no. He wants to be devoured. He's built for brown human twink mouth/anus.
Kabru WILL have to power bottom though.
He wants the Otome game experience.
PUT THE SAUCE IN THE BAG AND NO ONE GETS HURT!
Embric of Wulfhammer's Castle. It's the lovechild of golden age /tg/ and /u/ from way back in 2011, it's even got a shoutout in the credits.
Oh no, he's adorable!
Best girl.
I'm happy this veggie scrap of an elf has finally found his use.
The best.
How can you cry if you don't have an eye?
The tear duct isn't part of the eyeball.
His eyeball was mostly healed, it just is still blind.
>Tears are stored in the eyeballs.
cute (no homo)
Have you ever seen a one-euyed woman cry ?
That poor soul looks so pitiful, crying out of her one eye
It's misery, every time she cries it hurts poor me
HIS SMILE: RESTORED
Hello, i recently binged this manga because of this thread
And i was wondering if there is a way to found the sketchs of the author like this one
I read she used to have a blog but nuked it, and wonder if someone scrapped it.
She has a blog on http://nisiryu.blogspot.com/.
Different sketches you mention are compiled in extra chapters of the volumes.
In https://mangadex.org/title/d90ea6cb-7bc3-4d80-8af0-28557e6c4e17/dungeon-meshi?tab=chapters they are named Daydream Hour.
Thank you for the blog, but i can't found some images like the portraits of the Baldur's Gate NPC. Which seems to come from her blog https://nklerwjrejhshaasl.tumblr.com/ that aparently was deactivated
https://imgur.com/a/d2Wxs8b
She used to delete stuff that she drew constantly. IIRC during the manga's publication she deactivated at least four of her blogs (sometimes she just wiped it out) before settling on the one you were linked.
Best you can do is look for the Dungeon Meshi threads in the /a/ and /tg/ archives. Try using the word blog, archive, deleted or something similar. If you're lucky maybe you'll find someone's archive (I believe one existed, but it's been so long I'm not so sure anymore). Otherwise, well, you'll just have to collect the pics one by one.
And hey, if the archive doesn't exist, you can always be proactive and make one yourself.
>I believe one existed, but it's been so long I'm not so sure anymore
Hope this is the case, because i really like her style. And finding this late haunts me, because is coming late to a party and missing a bunch of good stuff.
>Reddit Meshi
Soon
I really like this page because it simultaneously has explicit and implicit characterization.
Explicit how Rin hides her happiness.
Implicit how Kabru can read people and isn't shy about trading them.
she really is a fa/tg/uy
It's ca/tg/irl
Just ran into my first wildsight enemy in this one, should I just keep powering through this game?
The Pathfinder games can be legit pretty hard depending on how your build. Lots of bullshit RNG too.
Only Kingmaker. Wrath of the Righteous once you actually get used to it becomes WAY too easy even on Core.
Give everybody blind fighting
How much is left?
Going purely by the volume formats, there's about 7 chapters each volume, and with this chapter we're 2 over what's most likely going to be volume 13, so I'm guessing we have up to 5 chapters left, unless 13 is going to be a real big volume (it would have 9 chapters as of now) so maybe 1 more if that's the case? Feels like there's probably going to be more going on so I'm gonna say 5~ left, maybe less if they make 14 shorter or include a bunch of extras/behind the scenes stuff to round it out/boost the page count.
Other option is 2-3 more chapters plus some after stories/side stories.
Or maybe Kui goes crazy and does a New Game+ or sequel story ala DBZ because she can't stop world building.
I think she will move on to another thing. She’s done a lot of short stories and clearly likes fantasy themes but is original enough not to do a DM continuation. I think she might do a modern SoL fantasy thing, maybe with those satyr girl “roommates” she draws.
The Satyr girls sit by a weathered staute of Laios in a public park looking much more heroic than he ever really did in life.
A little nod like that would be very cute.
What are you talking about? Are they in the manga somewhere?
No, I think anon is just engaging in wishful thinking. She drew them briefly on her blog and it's been years since then.
>FEAST ending is real
>Dungeon Meshi in the name field
Always has been.
It's my first OP anon...
E-everyo-one makes mistakes...
So now that the end draws near, what are your guesses for the leading subject of internet dungeon meshi discussion: the Marcille cup? What's the endgame, who will win it?
>Laios
>Farlyn
>both
>neither, friendship ending
I am all for the OT3 ending but it’s never gonna be real. I’m happy with anything.
I don't expect the author to canonize any relationship. Maybe we'll get a major shiptease in the last chapter, but that's all.
>/tg/ used to have better DunMeshi threads than /a/
>now /a/ has better DunMeshi threads than /tg/
Intredasting...
no one can find this thread because OP fucked up the name
maybe I'm being overly conscious but does anyone else feel that laois seems a little, off? I don't mean in his appearance or anything major, he's still the socially awkward charismatic leader, but there's something different.
Maybe I'm just making things up from trying to figure out what he lost.
>inb4 it's revealed he has lost his sense of taste
So what will Mithrun do once he realizes Laios can eat desires?
Anime PV near the end of the month. https://twitter.com/dun_meshi_anime/status/1658080110304722945
Well, fuck.
So uh, how will the final words of the Lion fuck over the revival of Falin?
>Resurrection no longer works
>Falin is fucking bonkers from all the body trauma when revived
>Something horrible happens to those that ate her as they try to revive
>Her soul refuses to return to her body because of the mana fuckery lash-back
>Everyone misunderstood how resurrection works with new bodies etc
>etc
>tastes bad
His last words were about starvation. I think Laios can no longer feel satiation from food.
>Lion ate Mithrun's desire
>Laios ate Lion's desire
>..
One MC hotpot coming up!
Can you specify a system?
>eating a popsicle dragon woman
Wtf am I reading? Those nukes really did a number.
It's a long, autistic thought process intended to revive the human half without the dragon half.
it makes a lot more sense in context
>Sis gets eaten by dragon at the bottom of the dungeon
>Dragons digest things slowly, so if we get there quick enough and cut open the dragon, there will be enough left to revive
>Shit, we didn't get there fast enough
>The elf says "....Hey, I know a bit of highly illegal dark magic, and dragon meat sorta counts as remains?"
>Yay! Sis is back!
>Huh, something's off about her
>OH FUCK, DARK MAGIC IS ILLEGIAL FOR A REASON
>....So if we cut away the dragon bits, we can bring back sis, right?
So why the fuck are they eating her?
Digestion SHOULD separate the dragon and sister at the soul level.
This sounds like vore fap fuel.
Not really since they literally are dismantling her body parts. There's not much "hotness" in this. It's just a plot point.
But read it if you're intrigued, not much sense in spoiling yourself over nothing.
You might be surprised at the wide variety of vore fetishes. There are some vore people who are actually aroused by the concept of being digested and turned into a part of the creature eating them. I'm not even convinced that it's a single fetish, just a bunch of different fetishes with enough similarities to jack off to the same stories/pictures most of the time.
There's actually a pretty good example of it that sometimes gets posted on tg (I actually had to see other examples of the artist's work in order to realize that it was a fetish since it's genuinely an emotionally impacting story without obvious fetish elements) where a kobold serves a dragon for its entire life and when it gets too old to be of use the dragon eats it and it's overjoyed to be serving its master one last time as it dies in the dragon's stomach.
>Not really since they literally are dismantling her body parts. There's not much "hotness" in this.
Kui does have an eating fetish.
Dude hears about a series with an entire theme around cooking and eating to survive, climaxing on a large banquet scene where all the characters resolve the main problem of the series by cooking and eating a thing all together, and thinks of internet fetish stuff.
It makes more sense in context. Resurrection magic exists in the setting, but (much like D&D) it requires you have the target's body at least mostly intact to function. Adventurers can die in the dungeon and be revived, but if they get eaten by monsters there's no saving them, so it's still a risky profession, and even if you can be brought back nobody likes fucking dying.
Laios' sister was eaten by a dragon, so they had to rush and try to kill it before her corpse was gone. By the time it happened, they had to use Marcille's dark magic to use the dragon's flesh and blood as a substitute for her own remains.
HOWEVER, as they learned, the reason that adventurers can be revived in the dungeon is because their souls linger in their body longer than on the surface.......Which includes the dragon. So now dragon-sister is on a rampage. So now they need to destroy the body and allow its lingering soul to move on, and as establlished being eaten by monsters (or people) accomplishes that. So everybody's gotta eat the dragon.
>This sounds like vore fap fuel.
It actually sounds even fetish-ier in context because Laios has a hyperfixation on Monsters, especially chimerae.
Makes sense in context.
The way resurrection works in the series is that the more damaged a body is, the less likely the resurrection is to work. So a death from a small injury would be trivial to heal, but someone who's body is completely destroyed is impossible to revive.
After they killed the dragon, they used only a small part of it to resurrect the sister. Other parts they ate and started preparing for eating later.
The dragon was revived by an evil sorcerer, and the dragon parts used to revive the sister contributed to the revival, so she became a dragon chimera. The dragon parts just left there and the ones prepared for eating were also incorporated.
The only parts of the dragon that weren't used were the parts that were eaten, so their plan is to eat the dragon parts until there's only 1 human's worth of material, hopefully reviving the sister but not the dragon.
Too long. Something like "a mad wizard fused her with a dragon and eating the dragon parts will (maybe) separate her soul from the dragon's" would've sufficed.
Isn't all of Fairlyn made from dragon, even the human parts? She was resurrected from a bare skeleton. Seems like there shouldn't really be a "human" component to her flesh, appearance notwithstanding.
Her bones are still human.
>Her bones are still human.
Going by that logic, the dragon part also has its own, monster bones, and a lot of them. So even going by pure skeleton ratio, Farlyn is still in the minority. And bones are indigestible, they can't eat that part.
They didn't use the bones when they resurrected her though, did they? Thistle remade them. I think that anon's point was that there are still human parts in her so she's not 100% dragon, just majority.
I understand that, and it was a good point. Not 100% of the chimera came from the dragon. *My* point, however, is that they can't possibly eat enough of the creature to make Farlyn be in the majority. This is because she's only a skeleton, and even if they were to devour all the meat, it would still leave them with the monster skeleton, which is larger.
Itsuzumi was also described as having two souls inside of her. There was this chapter with succubi reading her preferences that made it very explicit.
I can't remember, did dungeon monsters have souls? They're all just the lions creations no?
there were ghosts but those were supposed to be souls of adventurers that never got resurrected. There's the Golden Country but they're humans trapped in the dungeon.
There's also the paintings but I don't think they're actually alive...
Marcille says they don't resurrect at least, but I don't know if that means no souls per se. They talk about the dragon's soul too, so maybe they do? If this were real life they could just be wrong but it's fiction so I'm inclined to think they're correct unless the author specifically points out they were wrong.
Thistle has to resurrect them manually, though there might be a rebirth thing set up.
Her soul inhabited the body before the rest was lumped into the chimera, theoretically if they can remove enough of the other soul until her soul is the majority it could work. Probably.
Yeah I think this is gonna fail and the theory they're basing this on is iffy at best. I'm pretty sure the Lion knew it would't work because it doesn't exist to anymore to actually fuel a curse on Laius to deny him his wish.
Farlyn's chimeric form is just a contrivance. Her body looked 100% human due to Marcille's spell, she could have looked 100% draconic if Laius was designing her instead of Thistle who threw out the most lethal parts and added chicken feathers for some reason.
Both Farlyn and Izutsumi are stuck, and the best they could hope for is magic tattoos that give them some degree of control like Lycion. Farlyn's nature and personality will be irrevocably changed by having a (now liberated) red dragon soul in her.
I guess children drag queen shows are more sane and valid, burger.
I haven't read the chapters Falin was resurrected before turning chimera in a very long time, is it possible they just resurrected the dragon in her body to begin with? There was some scene I barely remember that gave me the impression she had amnesia. Did she say anything only Falin would know? I just can't remember the dialogue from that long ago.
There were bits of dragon in her from the beginning, but when the rest of the red dragon was stuck back on it distorted her much more.
But like her soul had already left and it was just the dragon's mind in her body acting how it thought the party wanted her to act. Maybe not even conscious of it because it didn't remember what it was. It's magic so developing human intelligence in a human body wouldn't be impossible, just like Laios getting put in a beast's body made his mind like a beast. If I get enough time to reread those chapters later today, I'm sure this idea will look dumb as hell.
They resurrected her body with both souls within.
Either because of the spell or because the Red Dragon is pretty much a mindless thrall, Farlyn had control until Thistle showed up and brought the dragon's soul to the fore.
It's like when Izutsumi was in the golden kingdom and became an even dumber cat than usual. Her soul priority got messed up.
They can't really know whether it was her soul, they just performed a ritual and rebuilt her body hoping it was her soul lingering in it and not the soul the flesh belonged to or some other ghost. But this is irrelevant because I checked the chapters and she remembers a scar she got when she was a child, so it has to be her and not another soul thinking they're her.
>she remembers a scar she got when she was a child, so it has to be her
Just realized the scar she got "as a kid" is exactly where the dragon got stabbed and now I'm paranoid. It's debunked, right? There's no way.
Going over all of her dialogue from her resurrection to her being taken over and leaving (chapters 27 and 28):
She said "brother" when she saw Laios and said "Chil" when she saw Chilchuck.
She also said "Marcille", but Laios already said Marcille's name right before so it doesn't count.
She mentions a scar she got when she was a kid, but we don't actually know if that's true because Laios wasn't there to confirm (and Marcille didn't seem to recognize it). And as
pointed out, it is in the same spot the dragon got stabbed.
She talks about the red dragon like it's someone else.
She mentions Namari and Shuro by name.
Not dialogue, but she does instinctively protect Senshi and the group from the explosion, which would be an odd thing for the dragon to do.
She eats dragon meat without hesitation. Again, would be pretty odd if she was the dragon, since that'd be her own flesh.
She says it feels like she hasn't eaten in a long time, which checks out either way.
She spergs out about eating monsters with Laios. Not impossible for a dragon, all things considered, but it seemed like a Falin thing to do.
Interestingly, when she picks up Kensuke, he jumps out of her hand.
She sees a ghost at one point, which I don't think dragons can do.
When she and Marcille are gonna sleep together, Falin wonders if she'll fit because she's a lot bigger than she was when they were in school.
She doesn't remember what she did right before she died.
Nothing else really indicates anything one way or another, but it seems like Falin was in control for the short time.
>She sees a ghost at one point, which I don't think dragons can do.
I am more behind on dungeon lore than I thought.
That's a thing? Dragons not seeing ghosts?
There just isn't any reason to think that they can. There also isn't really any reason to think that they can't except that most things can't, but that's pretty convincing IMO
I just meant that seeing ghosts is an ability Falin has that we haven't seen in even most humans, let alone monsters like dragons.
I'm going to be so sad when this manga ends. Hollow, with an appetite that can't be sated...
I'm sure something will come along to sate your appetite, anon.
>trailer for the anime on the 25th
Neat
Really? Baller.
The Canaries still have to go around preventing people from tapping directly into the infinite dimension, a new demon can form from nothingness like the first one did.
It's just realities way of punishing you for using magic to do troll physics bullshit like a perpetual motion machine.
Supposedly you can't reform the same desires so it's hard to imagine what desire would make it so dangerous again. It's possible, but I don't think the Canaries would be talking about disbanding if there was a real threat.
Thanks for posting
I'm genuinely curious to see if this thread will survive until the trailer drops. It's a little under 4 more days and Kui has been updating her blog around this time of month lately.
It won't, jannies have decreed that we're not allowed to have threads last longer than 7-ish days.
Makes sense. Well, see you all next month.