Cyberpunk 2077:
>Disastrous launch, released in an unfinished and broken state with poor optimization, glitches galore, and missing features
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates to make the game deliver on what was promised
>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
Starfield:
>Disastrous launch, released in an unfinished and broken state with poor optimization, glitches galore, and missing features
>Bethesda is not going to do jack shit, is expecting the modders to fix the game and make it into something even remotely worthwhile
>will release some shitty gimmick DLC that breaks all the mods that fixed the game
Maybe I'm reaching here but I feel like Starfield is getting let off way easier than Cyberpunk even though the core concept of the game is way worse and it's obvious Bethesda is satisfied with the garbage state they shipped it in. Cyberpunk was trying to be a real next-generation game but was not finished when it launched, whereas Starfield is a game for 10 years ago and Bethesda is so deluded that they think this shit passes muster in 2023.
Everyone with a brain expected Slopfail to be bad the second they revealed it was NMS but worse and more expensive.
Starfield is more like Load Man's Screen.
NMS would unironically be far better if it had quick travel.
jej
I thought it was going to be bad but I ended up enjoying it. Everyone's already forgotten about cybertruck
yea it was over the second the second we saw the webm's of starfield's loading screens in the ship and in space. Personally, when i heard that planets would be procedurally generated, i already knew the game was going to be dogshit.
Ganker decided that it's going to be shit when it was announced. Gankerirgin NPCs are not going to play it until it goes on sale in 5 years and then we're going to have a lot of threads how "it's good now"
I actually expected them to learn some lesons from the shitshow that was fallout 76, but looks like they learned nothing.
People are playing Starfield because it's cheap. You don't have to watch your favorite streamer play it for you.
>great DLC
>DLC
Zoomers actually don't know what an expansion is.
do YOU know what dlc stands for?
Is it me or there haven't been a single patch yet in starfield?
there have been multiple
Yeah they both sucked about as bad, but I think we all had low expectations for Starfield.
I was actually hyped for Cyberpunk after that 2018 40-minute gameplay trailer. I don't buy that it's fixed either, it was missing foundational features that would be baked into everything. You're not telling me they went through ALL the dialogue in the base game and added some proper skill/origin checks that do more than add extra flavor text?
You're also retarded if you thought cp was going to be good after W3
W3 is the best Witcher game, contrarian zoomer tranny
I’d hate to see how bad Witcher 1 and 2 are then.
Cyberpunk 2077 should have never launched on eighth generation consoles. They wasted so much time and resources retrofitting the game to work on obsoleted hardware, in particular the Xbox One, that could've gone to polishing the game for launch. People may have been more forgiving of the awful traffic and police system if the game was in tighter shape. The lies preceding the launch, as well as the optimizations subsequent, could've been sidestepped altogether had they focused completely on a nextgen experience.
Star field is just bad and there's almost no excuse given all the time and resources spent, but as you said, the core is just dated and Bethesda fans are battered, broken people.
I absolutely agree, but it would've been a financial suicide. Remember that people had trouble actually finding current gen consoles back then due to shortages and shit. Last gen was a perfectly logical choice for many.
imho, Cyberpunk was playable, even at launch. I even played it on a PS4 pro, the performance was horrendous and the bugs, everywhere. HOWEVER. The story was somewhat decent and it kept you going, so were the locations. Now even with most of its bugs fixed it's still a shitty game overall, but it has a great story and is mostly bugless.
slopfield was shit in every aspect from the get go, bombarded with ESG shit from minute 1, bad story, boring gameplay, load screens galore and a galaxy filled with naggers. I mean, what the hell
Starfield seems to imply that there was some kind of genocide against white people because the cities barely have any. And there are like 3 white women to every white man. Even the generational ship from centuries earlier has the demographics of London, so that means Bethesda is expecting there to be a genocide against white people by 2050 because not many will make it into space.
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Cyberpunk was 10x worse than starfield at launch and even tho the story is good its 8 hours long compared to 20+ in starfield
Cyberpunks story is more like 40 hours especially if you didn't skip straight to PL
If you all the main missions in a row then no way it takes more than 10 hours, theres the heist,going into arasaka factory, meeting hanako, meeting voodo boys and you're at the last mission. That was 6 missions
Cope retarded fanboy
How many hours do you have in cyberpunk?
Nta, but the "shoot gun, civilians run" clip isn't as impressive when you consider that the civs also run away just from you punching at the air
>>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
no it fucking isn't
so fucking tired seeing this retarded argument spouted everywhere
Looks like an opinion.
And yours is shit.
Has to be a zoomer and 2077 is their first open world game, it does the bare minimum and didnt deliver anything the devs promised in 2018 but sti
CP2077 was hyped into the stratosphere as the generation defining masterpiece and you had multiple ecelebs literally lying about how good it was going to be.
SF meanwhile was just the usual bethesdadrones sharing Tod's lies, Nobody sane was expecting anything special out of bethesda.
Fallout 4 mortally wounded Bethesda and Fallout 76 finished it off
Say what you will about Skyrim but it didn't leave the general audience seething, but by the time Starfield arrived Bethesda was already utterly hated and irrelevant
It’s obvious they found out a lot of shit they planned simply couldn’t work on the engine of the game they used. The best thing coming from cyberpunk is a foundation for the actual game they promised so long ago. After the Witcher 4, I expect them to deliver the game they promised
I've actually seen someone defend starfield by saying bugs are to be expected because its a todd howard game.
I hate to use these kinds of terms because its so low IQ but these people really are buck broken cucks that will drink anything that comes out of todd's dick.
>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
Game is just as shit as it was at launch. Not even modding can fix it.
I'm guessing (and this is a big guess) that Bethesda is going to do most of the fixing and updating when the DLC launches. Which even as a fan of Bethesda and Starfield, I think is a bit scummy. Another example of over promising and under delivering, although not as bad as Cyberpunk on launch.
>Disastrous launch
Twitch streaming is not a measurable financial metric.
>released in an unfinished and broken state
How so? Even those who supposedly hate it admit they put hundreds of hours into it before it was even released, this wasn't even possible with cyberpunk at launch due to multiple soft locks and straight up broken main quests.
>Poor optimization
Just get an Xbox or get a good Internet connection and stream it if you can't afford a good PC, poorfag.
>glitches galore
Other than the occasional crash I have no idea what you're talking about.
>Missing features
Which ones? I'm sorry you can't spend a month walkingbaround an entire virtual planet anon, try going outside. There's this planet called Earth which you can walk around for free.
You used a lot of words to say "Starfield is shit but you don't like it because you're poor." Would your hands happen to be brown?
>mfw people saying CP77 isn't better wanted the game to become something fundamentally different so they could like it now
It's the same with NMS. That game was drastically improved, but it's still very much a "collect shit to build better tools to collect shit faster with". If it's not for you, it's not for you. Screaming into the sky won't make any difference.
CP2077 became a decent successor to Deus Ex for me. It's immersive as hell.
Cyberpunks 2018 demo has better and more features than current game
>>mfw people saying CP77 isn't better wanted the game to become something fundamentally different so they could like it now
no, we want the game they originally promised us
they finally put the nail in that coffin, all we have are the mods now
>Starfield is getting let off way easier
Most people who are not retarded knew this game was going to be shit, look at FO4 and FO76. A clear pattern of shit. People bought CP77 thinking it would be at the very least as good as The Witcher 3's launch which for me had no problems.
It's the Bethesda leeway that largely went away with Fallout 4 and 76. Given what a massive release it was overwhelmingly response to Starfield is one of mediocrity.
Starfield actually worked on release if you’re not some poorcunt, CP2077 was completely broken and just didn’t work I don’t see this comparison
CP2077 on launch ran a lot better for me then Starfield ever did, on the same PC no less
at specs parity cyberpunk runs so much better it's not even funny. Hell, all low and i could run it at 60 fps on a 2016 mid range card, starfield struggles to get 60 even with fsr and render scale 50% despite looking much worse
People were hyped for Cyberpunk, but nobody gave a shit about Starfield so when it turned out to be garbage everyone just went "yeah, obviously" and moved on.
People still suck off Cyberpunk? How much are they paying you CDPR drones?
Last year they gave up pushing homos and shitskins to set their sights clearly back on the waifufag demographic and it obviously paid off
Should've done it from the get go and have few odd choices for a fag, lesb and trans play throughs to appease the real crowd behind video games.
Shame the game is absolutely dogshit
STARFIELD WON
>Starfield fun, best main plot in any Bethesda game
>Cyberpunk fun, how you approach combat can be hugely varied and fun
>BG3 fun, culmination of Larian's turn based RPG experience
I love RPGs
Cyberpunk 2077 is a 2020 game, Starfield is a 2002 game released in 2023.
That would make it good you zoomer
So like Gothic or Morrowind? You know, better RPGs than anything released since.
> Gothic or Morrowind
you've re-started an ancient war again, anon
>Morrowind
>Walking
At some point of the game, you just run like the wind and jump from mountain top to other mountain tops
Yes nobody plays Morrowind without abusing magic. It is all but mandatory.
Boots of Blinding Speed running somehow feels like the "correct" movement speed for Morrowind
Neither of them are actually RPGs.
>Cyberpunk 2077:
shitlslop
>Starfield:
shitslop
Think ppl are just debating which one of these shitslops is better at this point. I guess CDPR can release better gay ass shitslops than Bethesda, as if that changes anything.
they are both irredeemable garbage that should be forgotten for gaming's sake
Except CP2077 is a lot of fun now
Starfield doesn’t even have fun shooting or melee builds
if you're a tasteless zoomer with mindrot maybe
>Except CP2077 is a lot of fun now
Except it isnt you nagger. Gameplay is still shit and completely broken. Since 2.0 got released and everyone kept saying how its finally in the state of how it should have been released I actually went back to the game and broke it like 10 times while I saw that the game barely changed. https://streamable.com/fxmh63 Game is as retarded as Starfield when it comes to gameplay.
Brown hands typed this post
And only israelites shill for games made by completely israelites. Both games are shit gay slops.
Look at the time of India right now. It should be plainly obvious who is behind a lot of the posts on Ganker during Euro hours
One of their ilk was shitposting on 2077g earlier until they got ran off
Post hands
They're also similar enough to compare and emphasize just how inept Bethesda is as a developer. Game from three years ago also released for last gen somehow looks better than a brand new release Todd says you should buy new hardware for.
it blows my mind starfield doesn't even HAVE an actual ballistics system. in a game centered on firearms.
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates to make the game deliver on what was promised
>>The game is actually good now,
Fuck of shill.
"Game is good nao" is literally shills slogan.
For 2077 1.0>2.0>3.0.
With every update game became WORSE.
Starfield story is shit. They can't fix the goddamn script post launch.
You can do bug patches, performance patches even fucking gameplay patches. But you cannot patch the writing.
>Starfield story is shit.
You're not supposed to just do the main quest, Anon. Some of the others are better.
>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
I am replaying it now. Clothes are clothes now which is good. On the other hand they made the skill tree even less comprehensible than before. Other than that it's still more or less the same game as it was, but with most... many... some of the bugs fixed.
I don't understand people who didn't enjoy Cyberpunk. The gameplay is incredibly deep and varied and the writing is top notch. If it were a TV series, it would win awards for writing. I think Ganker just likes to shit on everything as a hobby.
>gameplay is incredibly deep
is it's your first videogame maybe
Name an AAA game with better gameplay
Skyrim
Ganker doest actually enjoy vidya, if its not bitching its not happy
funny how when you make a game with soul, even if it's a janky game, it's still better
when you make a bethesdaslop diversityshit globohomo game, you just have to hope the modders save it and and that players find something fun in it
the latter has worked for bethesda for a while now but not for starfield clearly because people can't find anything good about it
Starfield has a lot of soul. I'm sorry you got tricked into thinking otherwise.
>Starfield has a lot of soul.
yo
Absolutelly it does. The planets look gorgeous and there's a sense of isolation that I loved in this game.
What's this even trying to prove? That you're a retard?
name 5 characters and describe them without mentioning their appearence or role in the story and without looking any of that up
uh? I'm here speaking of planetary exploration and overall feel of the game and you're trying to wrangle me into discussing the characters?
My favorite is Delgado, I enjoyed the crimson fleet's questline.
But it's pretty much standard Bethesda, you won't see a character singing an opera in here, at most you get a "Thanks, I can finally sing an opera thanks to you. Can't wait".
I still do prefer this game over Final Fantasy VI.
>Starfield has a lot of soul.
All soul of the SF is in the scenery of the planets. It's good screenshot engine.
Too bad these planetary terrains are not incorporated into gameplay and it's key problem SF can overcome without completely overhauling the game.
>Too bad these planetary terrains are not incorporated into gameplay
Dunno what you mean by that. The game is pretty simple to understand, it's a RPG, you get to build your outposts but it requires you to invest in your skills since you can't do it all at once.
To me this gameplay look was satisfactory. I wasn't expecting the sun to go nova, or an asteroid to bump into a moon the moment I am there. What the fuck would that lead to, me dying and having to restart the game?
>Dunno what you mean by that.
I gave you a game hint that incoroprates terrain into gameplay.
SF terrain game loop is leave ship press W (you may do it with the book) and point at marker. Then wait till you arive at point of the interest. No challenge, no involvement nothing changes on the other planets.
And no lore connection why ship lands way from point not on point.
That is true. Retards keep complaining about procgen but procgen can only be as good as what its populated with and for some reason Bethesda didn't populate it with anything but very basic tilesets. They could have easily done colony tilesets to make whole cities, towns and spaceports to scale and anything you might imagine, but they didn't. They made a deliberate choice to quarter-ass it, I assume because their policy is to make 'authentic Bethesda games' which involves tiny handmade towns that no one has ever liked and have been shrinking smaller and smaller since Morrowind.
The POIs use a different system entirely and can be easily when they should've been more sprawling set pieces with procgen interior dungeons themselves.
Honestly if they just went all in on the procgen the game would've been significantly better. No ones ever made a big full 3D game like Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead or Caves of Qud. It would've been groundbreaking.
I wish they went with the smaller towns. The huge city may enthuse the bigger is better because it is bigger crowd but it is not engaging at all.
I hope they go back to what they do best for TES 6. All the cities in Starfield are as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle.
The cities in Starfield are tiny and 80% empty. Just because it has a bigger footprint doesn't mean its actually bigger nagger.
>The cities in Starfield are tiny and 80% empty.
They don't seem to be empty. At all.
Show me where you got that 80% from, please.
> Just because it is larger doesn't mean it is bigger.
You may actually be mentally retarded.
>They could have easily done colony tilesets to make whole cities,
I don't care about cities.
Tone of the game was set as frontier and exploration. New Columbus and new Wild West. Its opposite to big lived in cities.
But in game there is no search for good outpost places, and outposts themselves doesn't matter.
the big difference is that as messy and as promise breaking as it was cyberpunk had good things people latched onto, like the setting, the characters and the quests.
starfield has nothing of the sort. i played for like 20 hours and i couldn't tell you any single character, quest or even lore tidbit
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates to make the game deliver on what was promised
No they didn't
>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
No it isn't
The word is apathy. People are so used to being disappointed they're numb to it. If starfield came out in 2012 there would've DA2 levels of rage.
cyberpunk trannies still insisting their shitty scam game that literally didn't run on half the platforms it released on has been redeemed.
but it did? it's sitting at Very Positive on Steam and all other stores it's available on now. meanwhile Starfield is now at Mixed and it's still falling.
look. i think cyberpunk is dogshit, but starfield and its fanbase who defend bethesda are on another level of mental retardation. the irony is hilarious on both ends though.
>another level of mental retardation
>screencapping and reposting your own posts
Can you get more pathetic than that?
Why can't I defend Starfield if I'm enjoying it a lot? Most of the criticism people fling around is pure bullshit.
Yeah, tell me again how much you want vehicles in this RPG.
You'd be complaining because it requires you to level up the vehicles skill and the base vehicle experience would be worse than walking the planets by foot. Because you don't understand the point of the game.
I'll tell you my main gripe. its a space game, and yet space exploration is literally just loading screens. And when you get to a planet. its literally the EXACT same copy paste outposts. the world is extremely unimmersive as the second you go to new atlantis, you see these procedurally generated mutant humans that don't even react to player actions. The engine is showing its obviously showing its age as well.
But its great you enjoy it and want to shill the game. Its pretty obvious most people were disappointed by Bethesda's release though.
>>The game is actually good now
fuck off cdpr fags
>Cyberpunk 2077:
>Disastrous launch, released in an unfinished and broken state with poor optimization, glitches galore, and missing features
not really, it was all exaggarated by ecelebs to pump out daily outrage culture fodder
>Starfield:
>Disastrous launch, released in an unfinished and broken state with poor optimization, glitches galore, and missing features
not really, people are still trying to grab a piece of the outrage culture pie though, however, it's a much smaller release than cp77 so the ecelebs are quitting early because they realise the demand just isn't there compared to cp77
>glitches galore
I haven't met any glitches in Starfield. Nothing that breaks the game, at least.
bullshit. stop lying.
But I am not. And you can get rid of most glitches with console commands on PC anyway.
The difference is cyberpunk was released broken and acknowleged as such, issues stemmed from bugs and over promise. But todd and co think SF is fantastic as is, despite almost every facet of the game being sterile and boring.
almost every issue in cp77 stemmed from people running it on HDDs with outdated CPUs, the massive amount of tposing in bug complilations for example is proof of this, since a t pose happens when an animation asset fails to load properly
now it has become a standard to add "requires SSD" to HW requirements, most likely because of cyberpunk, starfield had it, but it's pretty obvious that people have gotten used to older generation HW requirements and ignoring them. you simply can't do it anymore or your games will break apart. i didn't have any major glitches in starfield, the biggest one i had was a main quest breaking because i played it on a pirated copy without the hotfix, but i got around it after patching it.
You're a lying homosexual, and if not, utterly ignorant. People were running Cyberpunk on 10900Ks and 3090s with the game installed on NVMe SSDs and it was still running like ASS. But even then, bugs can be fixed -- Cyberpunk's biggest issues, same as with Starfield, actually, are with its writing.
But cyberpunk has good writing and the story is cyberpunk genre correct (admittedly cos pondfield plagiarised the sprawl books and hotwired, even the name night city is from neuromancer). Starfields story is a fucking cliche from start to finish, even the basic "touch alien artifact, see vision" was done first and better in me1.
>People were running Cyberpunk on 10900Ks and 3090s with the game installed on NVMe SSDs and it was still running like ASS
i got 60fps with my game looking like this on 3060ti + 8600k
literal PC building skill issue
>People were running Cyberpunk on 10900Ks and 3090s
I was running the game fine ona 3080ti and 5800x3d, and still am after they cranked up the requirements in patch 2.0. So tell me more, you lying naggerhomosexual.
2077 was aware of the difference and explicitly had HDD supported for min spec. so it's still their fault for letting it out with load-time bugs or for lying about not needing an SSD.
When they say HDD they assume the fastest HDD on the market like WD Black with extra cache. Not the shitty drive most people use which is a WD green with no cache.
I played Cyberpunk 2077 just fine on a twenty year old sata green and an i7-3770k. It was even stable at 60fps in 1080p.
Starfield does support HDD, but its disabled in the exe and requires an SFSE plugin to let it use disk caching again. Also runs fine on my potato now with a fixed texture compression mod and even gets as high as 90fps in interiors, 47fps exterior (due to me being unwilling to use anything but the bare minimum of FSR2.)
Its painfully fucking obvious they pumped the hardware requirements up just to make it seem like a next gen game when it isn't. At this point Bethesda is pulling so much shady shit they're making Blizzard seem wholesome.
>it was stable
Unless you have CapframeX to prove it's a lie. We already have years of benchmark data at 1% fps to prove you wrong
>Do all this work just to rebuke some delusional homosexuals accusations
lmao
>
They don't seem to be empty. At all.
Show me where you got that 80% from, please.
They're empty. There's nothing in them but three things.
>The notorious crowd fluff NPCs
>Quest related NPCs and set pieces
>Shops
There are no homes for NPCs, NPC routines, exploration content, radiant events, or any of the other things that made Skyrim and Fallout 4's tiny cities seem much, much bigger than they actually are.
Footprint you illiterate nagger. Footprint. Learn how to read. A one story building with a giant footprint is still smaller than a skyscraper with a tiny footprint. There's nothing in any of them in New Atlantis but two setpieces never used again after their respective shitty quests are finished.
> I am entitled to my own definitions and you should know them.
No. If you are ging to use words find out what they mean before you use them.
You can't be a real person. There's no way you can actually be that fucking stupid.
What the fuck, another one? Go back and read the entire post. You illiterate thirdies/bots are making me get somewhat irritated.
you seem really upset anon
Yes, I know that's your strategy. I just can't figure out the point of it. So you bungle through life being such a retard people become upset and when called out on it, you've learned to just go 'haha made u mad' and play it off as a big joke? Is this your ultimate survival strategy?
anon, you seem to be confusing me with someone you've made up in your head. maybe you are spending too much time here?
So you really didn't like your whole " Just because ot is larger doesn't mean it is bigger" being ridiculed. If you don't want to get teased don't say stupid shit.
If you are stung NEVER let the anon know you are buttmad about it. I am going to ride you everytime you try to get out from under this.
If you show weakness the sharks will smell blood. New friend I am trying to help you whether you believe it or not.
>I am going to ride you
I bet you would gay boy.
Do you often think of getting raped by homosexuals? Don't bring your kink into this for me to laugh at as well. I just want to focus on your " Just because it is larger doesn't mean it is bigger " comment for now.
The more you struggle the worse it gets.
>lil bro thinks he's the internet bully facebook warns normies about
Riding ontop of a train right into lolcow territory without a care. Have another (you.)
Now you're just being obtuse, doing exactly what I said you were doing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume its a deliberate meme at my expense.
I understand being made fun of is not pleasant. Saying dumb shit is par for the course here. Dumb shit does not get called out. Your " Just because it is larger doesn't mean it is bigger" post entered stupid territory and is very mych worthy of derision.
We have all posted something stupid before. The smart move is to think to yourself " Yep that was bad" and move on.
Not you. You are married to the stupid because you think saving face on an anoymous board is something you can actually do. All you are doing is letting me know it still stings. You don't want to do that.
I knew something wasn't quite right here right off the bat when you failed to grasp the concept of a 'footprint.' Now I think I know why with the distinct impression you're copy/pasting posts back and forth on character.ai.
Still raging. Don't say stupid things. If you do say stupid things don't rage about getting called out about it.
Think before you hit post on your next " Just because it is larger it doesn't mean it is bigger".
its 8pm in india btw
>There are no homes for NPCs, NPC routines, exploration content, radiant events
starfield has all of those things
>assume
not in the spec, their fault. cocksucker
No game ever is going to specify a HDD/SSD brand or model because they are swap out parts between manufacturing dates.
that's why you specify a transfer speed dumbass
you certainly would not assume that people have what, by your own argument, is something that most people don't have. retard
No game is ever going to specify a transfer speed because there's zero definitive way to define it. It's all subjective to the program just as CPU/GPU/RAm benchmarking are. Even PS5s SSD speed test gets drives wrong.
nah, you're full of shit. they can provide a ballpark just like they do for every other spec. the game does not require exactly 3.00000 GB of RAM either, yet there it is, in the spec, 3 GB of RAM.
at the end of the day they have to test the spec with actual hardware, and the hardware they used to test with is the spec. if they didn't test it to make sure it works, then they're just making shit up, like you.
Uh retard anon which speed are you referring too? Sequential speed is irrelevant for gaming. Random speed is literally random and depends on the instructions being passed.
The game genuinely had lots of quest soft locks and random flatlines when you do very specific things. They have since fixed it though, the only bugs you're more likely to encounter are mod specific ones since they do weird interactions with other mods.
>CDPR are such hard workers
>the game is great now after buying a $60 brick 2 years ago plus $30 expansion now
>it's only fixed for PC players
>it's all OK now
I've never known a company to get so many free passes in my life.
>I've never known a company to get so many free passes in my life.
How long did their free pass last? Almost twenty fuckin' years?
why would they need free passes? OW2 is the only FPS worth playing atm, and wow classic is the best MMORPG you can play and they are finally doing classic+ so it's potentially going to raise my approval of the company even higher
Bethesda.
>consistently release unfinished, lazy, copy-pasted trash on the same old engine
>it's ok, the paying customer will fix it for free
And people just go "Oh, Todd!" and wait for the next one.
>I've never known a company to get so many free passes in my life.
Regardless of the state of these game at release, I'll take euro-jank over ameriturd-jank any time.
i wish i could enjoy starfield like some of you. its just so fucking bad bro. the NPC's are hideous. space traversal is loading screens. The whole game is just fucking barren with copy paste outposts. Like I've got 1000's of hours on skyrim, oblivion, f3, fnv, hell even f4. but this was the first bethesda game that I was extremely disappointed with.
Funny you're saying this (recycling arguments you've read on the internet). Starfield has far better environment story telling than those games you dumped 1000's hours in. It also improves gameplay a lot better with skills than those games.
good evening rajesh, remember to wash your hands after you shit in the creek later.
Ah, the good ol' "can't beat him so I'll just call him an indian". Very good.
Do you do other tricks, pupper?
i can continue to call you a street shitter if you'd like.
he's not wrong. starfield has better writing than skyrim or oblivion put together, but it's also a phyrric fluke because the writer responsible for all that has left the company as of now at least according to rumors.
I hope he took the woke shit with him.
You're the kind of people who gets extremelly trigger seeing a woman driving a bus, aren't you?
women participare in society and they outnumber men. This game isn't wrong by having female NPC sellers. lmao
I am the type of person that does not like having an agenda shoved down my throat. The good news for me is I am not alone.
Bethesda chose a side and hasto luve with the consequences. One of which is people pointing out Bethesda chose to side with the woke crowd.
The agenda: women NPC and people of color
Yeah, dude. It's almost like these people partake in the society you live in too. Woah, no, they better just make games for you instead.
How does it have better writing you absolute garbage can
Skyrim was clearly the best writtenTES game ever made. Anon is just trolling.
Skyrim was shit but it had it's moments and quests were just interesting enough to want to keep going. Slopfield has the safest, most liniar and least twisted writing I've ever seen. If Stardild quest has you to kill pirates, guess what you're killing pirates and that's it. Skyrim quest to kill bandit usually involve some kind of twist like vampires or faction behind it.
Yes, I asked you how is it better written. Also most of Starfield quests is glorified "push the button'. Just compare gaining Shouts in field and in Skyrim
>If Stardild quest has you to kill pirates(...)
In regards to mandatory/main quests, that's the literal first mission that serves as a combat/lockpicking/dialogue tutorial. Also if you don't just blast 'em, you can speak with the pirate captain (who you're designated to kill) and ask him about why the pirates, ironically, are after yer booty, which doesn't exist. You can then convince him to just let bygones be bygones, he attacked you under a false pretense, you retaliated, fuck it lets just go our separate ways. Also that mission serves as a setup for the Terrormorph/Xenowarfare subplot, if you bother reading the computer terminals, slates, exploring, etc...
Other than that, yes, if you're just doing little bounty missions for EXP, it's pretty much just go here, kill them. Skyrim had these, they were the basis for when Todd was announcing shit like "infinite quests" and "you can play forever."
Skyrim had some fun shit. Starfield has some fun shit. That's it.
It's Fallout in space, but with actually well written human conflict and interactions. Instead of the whole "I need you to press the button to release the water from the dam" shit.
tell me more about Paradiso
I know who you are, manlet cuck.
>7:00pm in banglesh
this explains alot now.
>Starfield has far better environment story telling
Yes it sure is nice seeing the same skull, in the same position, in the same corner, in the same mine, with the same loot, 10 times on 10 different planets.
FACT
1.0 is the best version of 2077.
After 1.0 CDPR did nothing but just nerfed player's gear and abilities.
Big Mistake.
If you want to increase difficulty do it by buffing enemies. Nerfing player always perceived negatively. But CDPR doesn't know ABC of the game design.
Cyberpunk always had a slapping soundtrack, slopfield can't even compare
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Starfield is dogshit. Todd Howard should be skewered alive.
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates
>CDPRfags unironically dressing up bugfix patches to fix their broken ass game as "free updates" like they're DLC or something
Sad
>to make the game deliver on what was promised
Absolutely not
So whats the verdict Ganker? Which is game is the least sloppiest of the two? My vote is cyberpunk.
Sloppiest? Starturd easily.
I dont like cp story but aside from personal dislike its a well crafted game, effort was there but execution had failed
Cyberpunk is just a sloppa asset flip skyrim with guns in space with a completely nonsensical writing
You don't get brownie points for fixing a broken product. It should have been good upon release.
It's fucking amazing to me how far standards have slipped. It's as if nobody cares any more, it's terrible.
The "release an unfinished game, then patch it" thing has really been catastrophic
It used to be that doing it would make you a permanent pariah and laughing stock, but somehow now it's the fucking default for all developers
Cyberpunk was so bad CDProjekt got sued by the investors. CDProjekt also lost.
To compare anything to Cyberpunks launch is laughable.
>cdpr worked hard
>the game is actually good now
Ahahah
Star field was expected to be another Bethesda slop while Cdpr spent more on marketing than on actual game and praised it as next RPG savior while producing a good but forgettable railroad action shooter
You didn't play the game if you think starfield released a buggy mess
Cyberpunk is still a colossal steaming pile of shit, don't kid yourself
Stop being a disingenuous retard. The state starfield was released in was no where near as bad as cyberpunk. Starfield’s main problem is that it’s just not that fun of a game. The lack of variety of content, game systems, etc, are what’s bad. These things can “potentially” be fixed with mods.
At the end of the day, it was still a functional game at launch. The bugs are only annoying/inconvenient. It’s not like it was completely unplayable, to the point where it had to be delisted, like cyberpunk was.
>functional
Functionally shit.
Cyberpunks launch made 76s launch look silky smooth in comparison.
>These things can “potentially” be fixed with mods.
They shouldn't HAVE to be. Christ alive, have some fucking standards.
Where did I say it was okay though! What I’m saying is that these are two entirely different situations and OP is a moron for thinking they’re even remotely comparable. Nice reading comprehension, dumb ass.
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates to make the game deliver on what was promised
Revisionist homosexual. You're making it sound like they held hands and helped each other move lumber. CDPR forced its devs to crunch even harder to make up for the subpar product their execs deliberately released before it was shippable. It will never be what they promised, and still is not what they promised. Pesky shill.
>>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
2.37zł has been deposited into your account
Bottom line: right now anyone who would rather play starfield than cp needs their head seeing to.
Starfield is worst but both are shit.
>We definitely announced CP2077 too early and are going to learn from our mistakes
>>A Few Moments Later...
>WE'VE GOT AN EXPANSION FOR CP2077 RELEASING IN TWO YEARS ALSO WE'VE GOT CONCEPT ARTISTS WORKING ON THE WITCHER 4, GET HYPED MY NIGGAS
I don't know anything about Starfield beyond Bethesda's reputation, but given my 15 hour experience with 2077 in July 2023 and CDPR's actions in the last five years, I'd have to say they're just Polish Bethesda at this point.
Regardless of bugs, glitches, performance issues, balancing, etc... Cyberpunk's writing felt like an annoying kid clawing at your ankles for attention with every word of dialogue. Then the combat came and it's just bad. Gettin' real tired of these faux-RPGs getting away with shitty combat of all different types, whether it's Final Fantasy, Skyrim, or Cyberpunk, just because they have "choices" in dialogue that really have minimal to no impact. Fucking Far Cry may as well be an RPG, except it actually has well developed FPS gameplay and doesn't need to hide behind a different tag despite having a skill tree similar to these purported "RPGs".
Thanks for your time.
Its all very gay, but we aren't the target demographic. There are people, and I use the term loosely, that actually enjoy Bethesda games and 2077 without mods. Millions of them infact. Its really frightening if you think about the implications of that.
It's not too creepy at first, because it sounds similar to how film enthuasists watch low budget B movies. Either to laugh at them, learn from them, etc...
But then you remember that these game equivalents are made with hundreds of millions of dollars and made by hundreds of staff with 4-6 years of average development time, and they still come out playing like some shit a guy made over five or six months in his basement on his days off. And they pay $70 plus tip for it. Horse armor ain't even a joke anymore, it's a market in its own right, separate from the actual game.
>There are millions of retards rolling for players in FC24 just for the high of getting the player, not even necessarily to use them in the gameplay because it's a dogshit production like the last four titles
That stereotype of old people sitting at penny slots? That's now the reality but instead of having a 70-80 year delay, it's right out of the womb. God help us.
It really edges into cosmic horror, doesn't it?
You want me to leave now? What for?
it's just an observation anon, by all means continue doing whatever you want
Four or five oblivious posts in and you're only just now making observations, or are you just using that word because it looks big and impressive with your limited grasp of english?
you're getting quite agitated again, anon
Here's my personal Bethesda timeline:
>Buy Morrowind on release, I was eleven and ESL so I don't think I ever got past Balmora and its surroundings. Still enjoyed it a lot.
>When Oblivion released my computer was too shit to handle it, didn't play it until years later, dropped it somewhere in mid-game.
>Pirate Oblivion with guns and actually enjoyed it enough to finish it, modded it quite a bit.
>Bought New Vegas and it was great.
>Bought Skyrim and it was alright, decent enoguh to finish, did some modding.
>Bought Fallout 4 on release, played for maybe 30 hours and dropped it utterly disappointed. The base building felt contrived and the world felt uninspired.
>Fallout 76 happened, I refused to give Bethesda my money for that shit but I did try it with gamepass for a few hours, it was as bad as I expected.
>Not touching Starfield with a ten foot pole.
you missed Fallout 3 kino
forget shitposters today, everyone who played Fallout 3 in 2008 came in their pants
Read it again bro, I assure you it's there.
My genuine apologies in a way you never see on Ganker
yep, you definitely had to be there to experience it. I remember being a dumbass kid putting in so many hours in that game just organizing and displaying weapons and clutter in my safehouse at megaton.
Post more AI images of Pajeet playing slopfield, please.
>>CDPR worked hard for 2 years releasing free updates to make the game deliver on what was promised
>The game is actually good now, and has a great DLC that builds upon the fixed game
Fucking have a nice day
>makes Ganker seethe
based
What is 5.99 times 20 million?
>beat the game
>didn't pay for it
You're welcome
>make the game deliver on what was promised
Even with Phantom Liberty it is still lagging far behind the 2018 gameplay reveal.
Games like these live and die by their writing and unfortunately for Starfield Bethesda's writers are completely worthless, not a single character has any depth or grit to them, same goes for the bland and sterile expository loaded "dialogue".
Hol up. Are you saying the characters that tell you they are gay and married to another gay who is their gay husband who is also gay lacks depth?
I find that kind of talk bigoted and narrowminded. It is a borderline hate crime.
This. How will I know a character is gay if they don't tell me they're gay and married to their black husband who is gay? Starfield's writing is brilliant because it creatively provides the player with critical information, such as whether a person is gay and is married to his gay husband.
Starfield didnt even have proper HDR support at launch if you just want to know how unfinished it was. Microsoft has been pushing HDR hard a killer feature for Series X and Windows 11 and even their own flagship game can't have it.
>HDR
I still don't understand what HDR is supposed to do. It just makes my 4k TV really dark so lightsources stand out more. Lowering the brightness will do similar on any TV. Where's the magic trick here?
It requires a TV with a crap ton of dimming zones. The only TVs that quality are OLEDs for a example a LG C2 (each pixel is a dimming zone and there are MILLIONS OF PIXELS) versus a mini-LED TV Sony X95K which only has 384 zones.
Then you have to calibrate both your display AND operating system for it. Consoles already have it setup, if you're on PC you have to manually do the work.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/calibrate-your-hdr-display-using-the-windows-hdr-calibration-app-f30f4809-3369-43e4-9b02-9eabebd23f19
Only when you finally meet all the requirements does HDR look amazing. It's like looking at real life your eyes are most sensitive to three things. Color, contrast, brightness. HDR enhances all of this.
This shit is way complicated. I didn't even realize I had to calibrate everything until a week ago and was playing Starfield with a .6 second delay because the fucking thing wasn't in gaymer mode. I thought it was just the series X being capped at 30fps and went back to playing on PC with a tiny 120hz monitor.
After Elite Dangerous Odyssey, we really didn't deserve the fully committed dick kick that was Starfield. Space games are cursed.
It is complicated because game support, TV support, and even your damn TVs firmware matters. HDR is a clusterfuck but when it works it's a game changer. Going back to SDR is like stepping back to PS3 era everything is dull blooms and brown fog.
Grimes is a fucking nutjob, but the delicate weapon scene was kino. More impressive cos they dont make a massive deal about it, just something you come across.
>Cyberpunk 2077:
launch, released in an unfinished and broken state with poor optimization, glitches galore, and missing features
>Released TV series, and now inexplicably all is forgiven
ftfy
>cyberpunk was a complete lie, ran like shit but sheep forgiven in 5 years
>starfield didn't lie and the game ran fine, still has 5 years left for you to judge
OP: MUH CDPR SAVIOR OF GAMING, FUCK STARFIELD NOT DOING ANYTHING
Can you remind me of the state of CP 1 month after release? When the pushed their roadmap back the first time?
Starfield won't even win a single GOTY award. At least Cyberpunk did.
>Starfield won't even win a single GOTY award
With all the competition this year it's a miracle Starfield even gets a mention. It lost best RPG, best music, best art direction, best community, etc.
> Of the thousands of possible GOTY awards Starfield won't win one.
If they don't they will just go the CDProjekt route and make them. It is no shock Witcher 3 won Track Suit Enthusiast magazines GOTY.
>>The game is actually good now
no
Although CDPR staff is sliding into degeneracy, they are still better than the brown mush that made Starfield. There is no saving Starfield, it just isn’t an interesting realization of space exploration.
It was made by people who will never realize actual space exploration.
They're actually getting pretty close, although it's not that impressive since it's just repeating what Russia and the US did in 1961 and China managed in 2003
>Although CDPR staff is sliding into degeneracy,
enjoy it while it lasts
in no way does 2077 deliver what was promised, at best it delivers 60% of what was promised, there are still 5-6 features in the 2018 gameplay video that the current game still does not have
>CDPR worked hard for 2 years
3 years anon, it was 3 fucking years.
No one cares about Starfield in the first place so no one cares that it’s bad. Cyberpunk was one of the most hyped games ever
Im on a budget and i want a new game. Ive narrowed it down to cyberpunk and hogwarts legacy. Starfield looks like shit. Like it’s visually ugly and inferior to cyberpunk in every way. And hogwarts has the medieval style in looking for and looks better than other worlds and elden ring imho. Also considered valheim but while the gameplay looks fun, graphics look a bit low budget to be enjoyable.
Get cp with pl, you wont regret it
Pirate Cyberpunk it's DRM free. All the other games you listed are terrible. BG3 is DRM free as well and better than them.
Hogwarts doesn’t look bad to me.
play AC VI instead if you care about saving the industry
One of the only actual games released this year
Ac6 was boring
>30sec mission, get trashed
>half hour picking bot parts
>30sec mission
>be bad
>complaining about difficulty in an AC game
lol
lmao
Not complaining about difficulty, complaining about brevity. Spend more time tinkering with your mech than piloting it, just get into a mission and its over.
I think you would unironically enjoy Cyberpunk the most of those games. Yeah, it's not exactly a great game. People saying it's "fixed" are the same retards who looked at the game on release on the $5000 PC their mum bought them and claimed that they didn't have any bugs, you must just be poor.
Even with picrel the art was amazing
Surely a punk hairdo is acceptable, nay encouraged, when you're working on a property called CyberPUNK
the issue is that nowadays wearing classic hairdos is more counterculture than having hair like her
Leave your house sometime.
eh, she looks like trigglypuff but she's actually good at her job
It definitely is because bethesdrones are natural shit eaters.
And while CP was still a decent game even with its bugs and cut features, Shartfield is just boring and worse than their previous games.
>rpg codex cucks trying to rewrite history
Cyberpunk wasn't that bad on launch. I was able to play and finish it at least. I remember a few bugs but nothing game breaking, just a few things that were kind of jank and unpolished. Starslop on the other hand baked for twice as long as Cyberpunk and sucks ass.
>make the game deliver on what was promised
It's the same exact game as release except a little bit more polished. How are so many people falling for these lies?
>>The game is actually good now,
no its fucking not. enough with this meme already
>Starfield got off easier
Everyone with half a brain went into starfield knowing full well it was going to have all of Bethesda jank. Only the fanboys expected different
>loading screens
the load screen would be faster than travelling down the elevator lmao, and fast travel does have load screens
>snoys need 3rd parties games to "btfo" a xbox game
Truly pathetic.
Wouldn't it be funny if Stargield got a "Final Mix" version that charged full price and only fixed the minor problems and added gimmicky bonuses no one asked for?
They have both been fine since release.
CDPR has NOT delivered on its promise.
I noticed something funny about Cyberpunk and New Vegas
>both main characters get shot in the head
>both get saved by someone named Victor
>both had the attention of a rich guy before getting shot which leads to them being saved
Not that I disagree, but using fucking Twitch viewership is a pretty retarded way to gauge a game's success.
>Don't relase on PlayStation
>PlayStation has 2/3 of market
>Most hyped game becomes irrelevant after a month
I see Cybershills are continuing their delusional marketing campaign. Wouldn't surprise me if their HBO-tier tactics get leaked in the future.
Both CP2077 and Starfield are shit btw.
I’m gonna give it a shot. It’s only $35 on steam right now so that’s not bad.
Cyberpunk was a lot worse at launch and had ten times the hype. Remember that it got pulled form the ps4 store, that's how broken it was. Starfield is just the usual bethesda crap
it was literally unplayable on old gen lmao, sure it ran fine on PC but if we count old gen then it might be worst release of all time