This. It's nationalistic propaganda funded and created by the Japanese government in order to get rebellious teens to become model slaves to the system and it worked.
Kanji is bisexual at minimum, Japs and localizers are just retarded for not being able to put into words the patently obvious. If he's straight, why does he get all nervous about seeing the boys in swimtrunks and why does he crush on Naoto when he think's she's a boy and try to meet for what he thinks is a secret gay liaison?
Consider: Just because she turns out to be a girl doesn't make it not gay. It's the reverse of trying to hook up with what you think is a cute girl but turns out to be a tranny. You wouldn't be gay in that instance, just an oblivious retard who got tricked. This is obvious to anyone who's brain doesn't run on a variant of "are traps gay" Discord tranny discourse. Being gay has exactly ONE (1) requirement, and that requirement is wanting to fuck your own gender, which Kanji does. He is categorically gay or bisexual.
The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.
Anything else is just a smokescreen. Japs think hypermasculinity is actually more gay than being a girly pretty boy, so what sense does it make that someone insecure about being gay would cover up their feminine gayness by doing something even gayer? Imagine the western equivalent: why would someone trying to cover up their gayness be a queer metrosexual in guyliner? Surely they'd hit the gym and grow a beard instead. It makes no sense unless what you're worried about isn't having people thinking you're gay because you're effeminate, it's having people think you're effeminate because you're gay. In other words, Kanji is more worried about being a bottom than being gay.
Also, Naoto isn't really a tranny because nobody is really a tranny; it's just a delusion.
Trannies and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. It's like the 50% of humanity below the baseline 100 IQ aren't able to follow basic transitive logic, so they all go completely insane when you introduce trannies to the equation because they can't work out what their own sexuality is any more.
Big spoilers, retard: if you tried to fuck Buck Angel without knowing it's actually a woman beforehand the attempt alone would make you gay (and obviously so). I don't know why people lose their minds when it's a male-to-female tranny and make all kinds of post hoc rationalization for why chasing trannies is actually 'straight' or why being tricked by a convincing one is actually 'gay', but I know for a fact that nobody is confused when it comes to wanting to fuck Buck Angel. It's gay, and so are (You). >tl;dr you're out of touch with reality and you need to leave mom's basement
>The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.
that sounds so awful, thank god they axed it
It's contrived but ultimately more coherent. The only reason it's relevant is because this framing is the only arguable counterpoint to Kanji being gay. Tokenism would make you expect exactly one full blown homo and it was supposed to be Yosuke. Either Yosuke is gay or Kanji is. Narratively, it can't be neither, because a gay character arc without any gay characters is incoherent.
So why are bisexual men just called gay even if they end up in bed with a woman?
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Anonymous
Every bisexual I "met" is just straight/gay with a liiiiiiiiiiiiiil bit of homo/straight into it. Like bisexual dude had 10 partners, 9 out of them were women and 1 man.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Same with women, although their only experience with women is kissing them while drunk when some dudes dares them to.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because being bisexual is fake just like being gay
>The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.
that sounds so awful, thank god they axed it
>don't be dead, or the goddess of death, and get over the fact that you lost your memories and fall in love
how does that lesson for her apply to anything that twitter cunt is talking about?
sounds about right, I was born a human. If i start barking like a dog because i feel like a dog people would think i'm crazy. though in this day and age i'm not sure anymore.
>If i start barking like a dog because i feel like a dog people would think i'm crazy
If you were a cute girl and you did this you'd just make money off of filming it and you'd have tons of simps asking to fuck you. Shit you might not even have to be cute.
I knew it, these people are complete retards that dont understand society in any way and think that "doing what you want" actually makes anyone happy ever.
>people being wrong on twitter means we lose
I know that that statement is true but it shouldn't be. I hope P3R bombs because I don't want "P4Platinum now featuring trans naoto and gay kanji."
Atlus has been using fags as the butt of jokes basically every single game, the only time a gay has been shown as an actual character in basically any franchise was, like, Jun in P2. I really don't know why they're so attracted to the series/developer as a whole because they have never given them a single inch beyond "Fine, we'll remove the two mincing gay men in the red light district trying to pick up two teenage boys, I guess."
I suppose, but usually there's brigade posts and people getting way too invested in other people playing or enjoying those games. It's odd that it's the same mistake every time.
Sucks to suck retard, P3R is shaping up to be a video game remake done right then some though I will agree that 4 doesn't need a remake when Golden exists and still holds up very well unlike FES or Portable for 3.
Also, its not just English VAs who got recasted for Reload. Japanese VAs did too, so you posting that Twitter screencap isn't the "gotcha" you think it is in your sub 70 IQ imbecile brain you absolute fuckwit.
Does this guy know what character development is?
The game is about growing up and maturing and accepting responsibilities, so Im not surprised these millenials or zoomers that dont know what responsibility is find it gross.
It's ironic because these idiots are doing the same shit they're accusing P4 of doing, they want the characters to be their true selves but ONLY if their true selves are LGBT and don't conform to society.
Naoto never ever thought she was trans she dresses as a boy because boys are taken more seriously.
Everything else is also wrong but this one shows this guy didnt play the game
He played the game, just had relentlessly incorrect analyses of its themes due to projection. How angry this guy got from the game is obvious in these tweets and only the mentally unfortunate get like this over videogames
Naoto being a trans allegory will always be funny to me because transgenderism was not even an annoying glint in society's behind until like 2015 or something. Its like people just suddenly forgot that crossdressing as the other gender was a fucking common trope.
>Yeah they kept to themselves,
They really didn't/ They just didn't have institutions helping them >pronouns
People only cared about that during the 2020s. There were people making fun of tumblrites who did fuck up the definition of gender
Nah we did, and we all wanted to fuck them since only hot ones existed.
>Nah we did, and we all wanted to fuck them since only hot ones existed.
Speak for yourself homosexual >Yeah, they didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
>all these fucking newsperm zoomer replies
were you fags even born when the pregnant man was plastered over every single media outlet?
this is 2008
https://archive.nytimes.com/artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/the-pregnant-man-delivers/
nagger I was born in 1992, the pre-2014 trannyspam was NOTHING compared to the post-2014 trannyspam, even here on Ganker which has always had trannyspam and pedospam
He's right though. Pre-2016 idpol discourse surrounded around >neo-feminism >pronouns >extreme gender nonconforming
while trannies today are about gender conforming so hard you lop off your dick
Yeah, they didn't.
They're the new fad for socially stunted autistic kids that want to fit in somewhere, just like every other fad before it. This fad just has permanent consequences. Fortunately, should only be a few more years until it changes again.
My favorite troon meme is the “two spirits” cope that natives were all hecking cute and valid trans folx. When in reality, not every tribe practiced any sort of two spirit stuff, and those that did, did so only in ceremonies aka literally just acting.
They might as well not have. Most people knew what a transvestite was but it was usually either the butt of a joke or something you'd only see in some real shithole neighborhoods where prostitution was out in the open (or thailand). It wasn't something that was a serious identity and it sure as fucking hell wasn't on the public consciousness. It was only thrust into the public with Bruce Jenner because the israelite media and NGOs wanted to further accelerate America's transition (heh) into Weimar 2.0.
>are you even a little mentally unstable?! Then you should chop off your tits or dicks, and inject yourself with as much drugs as possible. Now shut the fuck up chud
Sounds based when you put it that way. Like Japan made it so you had to be sterilised to be a Troon before people realised what they were doing. Now they self sterilise by doing it themselves. The next big step is finding a way for female to male trannies to be self sterilised, chopping off their tits and testosterone just aren’t cutting it.
>"Actually no, I'm not, I just like sewing"
Yes, that's literally Kanji. He's a straight guy who enjoys feminine hobbies. Rather listening to a bunch of homosexuals who keep screaming at him "NOOOO IF YOU LIKE GIRLY THINGS THAT MEANS YOU'RE GAY YOU NEEEEED TO FUCK MEN!!! YOU'RE BEING HUMAN WRONG!!" he says "Fuck that, yeah I like doing girly shit AND wanna fuck women."
He's not supposed to be some dumb stereotype who is forced to be gay just because he likes gay things because well written characters and well adjusted people aren't purely stereotypes.
Funny thing is that if they played at any point, they'd know Kanji isn't gay because he flat out says it wasn't about the relationships, he just didn't want to get rejected for liking girly things and ends up embracing that side of him instead of trying to push people away.
Funny thing is that if they played at any point, they'd know Kanji isn't gay because he flat out says it wasn't about the relationships, he just didn't want to get rejected for liking girly things and ends up embracing that side of him instead of trying to push people away.
I don't agree with the twitterfag but he's not arguing that Kanji is gay. He's arguing that Kanji being gay would make the "be your true self" message more relevant than what's currently in the game.
How? How is being gay more relevant than the complexity that is rejection? How is liking dick at all comparable to the universal notion of the fear that being who you are will turn people away? Make that make sense to me.
So? Rejection is universal. They aren't special for it because they're fucking gay. The intent of the arc is the fear of rejection for who you are, not the root of it.
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I didn’t insinuate they’re special for it. I was just explaining that’s what they face. Yes, of course everyone faces rejection. But are the ramifications for said rejection the same for everyone, I think not.
Then don’t go shoving it down my throat. Don’t walk around covered in rainbows and talking like you’ve been kicked in the balls every 5 minutes. Just be a fucking person. I don’t walk around wearing a shirt that says “I love big tits” because you’re supposed to keep your sexual interests to yourself in public.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you’re supposed to keep your sexual interests to yourself in public.
Bluepilled. Learn PUA
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don’t know what that is and probably don’t want to knowing Ganker
Not that guy, but if he was a closet homo then he would live with the crippling fear of everyone knowing who he really is and probably be rejected by society at large. That's why several people IRL public figures have fake marriages with gorgeous women to appease the masses, meanwhile they sneak out in the shadows to be with their true gay lovers.
Nowadays it's a less common practice since gay shit is now less taboo, but it used to be incredibly common to see a celebrity/politician caught up like that every now and then back in the day.
yeah but p4's message is that if that dude legitimately reached out to those around him he would be cured of gayness because his friends would defeat his gay shadow and he would become an honest hetero
>you like Gay Stuff that means your True Self must wanna fuck men!
No, it would actually make Kanji much more hollow and one-dimensional and make his arc extremely uninteresting.
The message is more relevant BECAUSE he's not gay. BECAUSE he has to deal with both being straight and not having what's seen aas traditionally straight hobbies.
If he were gay the message would just be "You're gay and like gay stuff, just be gay"
Because he's straight, the message is "You can be straight and still like gay stuff, it won't make you gay. Be yourself, enjoy what you enjoy, fuck who you want to fuck, you'll still be you, you won't be forced to being gay or getting rid of your hobbies. You don't have to choose one over the other, because the combination of both is who you are."
I just don't understand how be who you want, society's expectations don't define you isn't the better message than YOU'RE PROBABLY GAY
The fact is is Kanji has the potential to be gay. Its not outright stated. Isn't that the beauty of "modern sexuality" is that its defined fluidly rather than concretely? Am I going insane here?
>you like Gay Stuff that means your True Self must wanna fuck men!
No, it would actually make Kanji much more hollow and one-dimensional and make his arc extremely uninteresting.
The message is more relevant BECAUSE he's not gay. BECAUSE he has to deal with both being straight and not having what's seen aas traditionally straight hobbies.
If he were gay the message would just be "You're gay and like gay stuff, just be gay"
Because he's straight, the message is "You can be straight and still like gay stuff, it won't make you gay. Be yourself, enjoy what you enjoy, fuck who you want to fuck, you'll still be you, you won't be forced to being gay or getting rid of your hobbies. You don't have to choose one over the other, because the combination of both is who you are."
This is why I just stick to the doujins where he gets fucked in the ass by the MC.
No it wouldn't you fucking retard. That would literally be the opposite of that because the point of his arc was that he was self-conscious about people viewing him as gay because of his feminine hobbies so him being gay would completely ruin his character arc. You can an arc with a character being kay but that's not Kanji's fucking arc. God it's insane how hard trannies and homos miss the fucking point in Persona 4.
This.
Same with Naoto, she DIDN'T want to be a man she just wanted to be a grown ass man that would be respected as a detective.
WHY? >Little girl + Detective
A lot of people didn't take her seriously because she's a girl AND a kid.
So her solution is that she wants to be a cool detective man and act like an adult.
It has nothing to do with her sexual orientation.
That's why she says >I'll grow from a child to an adult eventually but I should get over the other thing
...Ok so their interpretations are actually pretty spot on.
But they are saying that...it's wrong? What? No it's not. They're completely correct. How can you think that liking sewing must mean you're gay or trans? You ARE being immature and childish to think such a dumb thing.
The other ones are just mostly in line with the saying "the grass isn't always greener". Which is also right.
P4's message was not letting your insecurities get control of you to the point that you become like adachi and justify amoral behavior because you didnt get what you entitled yourself from society.
its message is clear. if you dont feel like you have a meaningful life reach out to others and make relationships. your true self will appear by doing such things. now you can argue whether such things always work for all people as that is adachi's argument that circumstance led him to becoming the way he his but the protag who could have gone the same route as shown by his shadow chose differently. though being chad ziodyne thundercock really does help in making people like you...
They are literally correct, Persona 4 is a straightedge Japanese conservative game, all about the cleanest straightest most sober popular guy at school letting his peers blow through their anxiety phases while he sits there with his shit together. It’s hilarious that lgbt people and communists and whoever don’t get this.
It's because communism thrives on people's anxieties, to the point that they will cultivate those anxieties in order to use those people as their disposable foot soldiers. Every last thing they complain about it blown out of all proportion and is causing misery to the people the ideology possesses.
It is a cold and calculated method, systemic mass abuse of vulnerable people.
I appreciate how troons genuinely believe "bending the knee" means not sacrificing your body to a lifetime of pharmaceutical dependencies and surgeries.
>"Actually no, I'm not, I just like sewing"
Yes, that's literally Kanji. He's a straight guy who enjoys feminine hobbies. Rather listening to a bunch of homosexuals who keep screaming at him "NOOOO IF YOU LIKE GIRLY THINGS THAT MEANS YOU'RE GAY YOU NEEEEED TO FUCK MEN!!! YOU'RE BEING HUMAN WRONG!!" he says "Fuck that, yeah I like doing girly shit AND wanna fuck women."
He's not supposed to be some dumb stereotype who is forced to be gay just because he likes gay things because well written characters and well adjusted people aren't purely stereotypes.
I like how the Kanji's one is literally that.
Guy didn't want to get made fun of for sewing.
Western projection. Japan is very tolerant of homosexuality, they're more accepting of straight men having feminine interests than Western countries and women are generally treated great in Japanese society.
they're "tolerant" in the way that they won't bash you in the street over it as some muslims countries like france do, but being homosexual is still viewed badly and isn't recognized by the law
It should be recognized by the law as a misbehavior like loitering x1000.
Are they tolerant of it? I hear otherwise, they still can’t get married either.
Bullshit, they can get married in Japan, like everybody else, to the opposite sex of the same species. They have the same freedoms as others.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you have proof they can get married? I thought at most they could have some sort of civil union but that still doesn’t merit the benefits a marriage does.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anyone over the age of 12 if I recall, can get married in Japan. No one can marry a car or a tree or a horse or the same sex equally, but they can all get married to the opposite sex. Like everyone can drive a car but no one can drive a car into a crowd, that's not what the car was designed for and this no-driving-into-crowds equally applies to everyone so there is no injustice.
I mean I assume the agenda is to ruin the country's ethnicity when time inevitably opens its borders and what happened to France and England happens in Japan.
It's a different culture so they handle societal issues differently.
In the west, homosexualiy is bad because it's a sin against god and you deserve physical punishment if you engage in homosexual acts.
In Japan, homosexuality is bad because you're not conforming to society and you're being too individualist.
If you're IQ is above 100 you should be able to understand why western and Japanese homosexuals behaved differently.
You fuckers have said this over and over and over and then it turns out there is a fucking catch where Japanese society tries to throw the homosexuals under the carpet away from prying eyes.
It doesn't matter. Japan is very tolerant of homosexual behavior. What people like you are mostly referring to is the celebration of homosexual culture, which Japan chooses not to do.
>men are not more intelligent than women speak for yourself!
Think about it, there's some women even dumber than you just like there's women shorter than 5'2.
I almost start to agree until some barely literate retard engages me on Ganker. That always makes me question that particular statistic for some reason. Possibly also that it’s always the biggest mongoloid in the thread who can barely speak English saying it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you don't understand that men are on average more intelligent than women, it just tells me that you have no job or never show up to an office.
Why do you think companies are forced to hire women you think?
Why are they forced to pay them more as well? The lawmakers don't care if some men make less money than other men, why do they care about women making less then? Think about that.
>NOOOOOO WHY CAN'T ALL VIDEO GAMES FEATURE MENTALLY ILL homosexualS AND TROONS WHO REPRESENT ONLY 0,1% OF WESTERN DEGENERATES
Lol, did that looney troon every think Persona 4 was about kids growing up? Growing up means you give up on the retarded shit.
>society told kanji he should be gay >kanji says fuck off and is not gay >society told naoto she should be trans or not a cop >naoto says fuck off and becomes a female cop >society tells Yukiko to go to the big city and be herself(by that they mean to just stop thinking and follow her every whim) >Yukiko thinks it over and figures out they rather stay
>nooo you can only rebel against society in a way I like
Well yeah, when places like Resetera and parts of Reddit, Twitter and SomethingAwful are their outward facing "normal" personas, you really don't need to dig any deeper to get the picture
One thing you're not allowed to notice about the trans community is just how many of them seem to gravitate towards the Grifter personality type >Koala March tried to steal SomethingAwful from Lowtax and took donations from users to buy a personal laptop >this year alone two posters in one of the more conHispanicuously mentally ill SA threads bought fake hate crime avatars for themselves and tried to blame it on their posting enemies >someone on Resetera a couple months back posted a "Suicide" thread and then immediately linked to their Patreon
Nevermind what goes on on Twitter or Reddit
>letting people exist without forcing them to conform their body to their personality and aesthetic stereotypes is LE BAD
god these people should stop existing.
The literal point of the entire story is that the things we think and feel as children might not be the things we think and feel when we grow up and become adults.
It's not "lol stfu and do what you're told".
It's children realizing they're acting ilke children and doing the adult/grown up thing, and moving on with their life into the next phase instead of trying to hold onto the dreams of a child.
And Of course because they're so obssesed with the fact that one character may or may not be gay, one character may or may not be trans, etc etc, and completely miss the point.
And whats worse is you can't even correct them because then they just start REEEing about how you're supporting trans genocide or some other such nonsense.
the fact that they say naoto even "thinks they might be trans" shows they didn't understand a thing, are illiterate, or haven't even played the game.
The entire story is about society and perception, as well as the pressure that has on developing youth, and how that can change the perception of one's self. This is the point of the midnight channel, which serves as a reflection of the gaze of society.
Society perceives naoto as incompetent because she is a woman. Because of this, she sees herself as unable to achieve her dreams unless she is a man because she won't be recognized by her peers, and dresses and acts boyish to try to meet that perception.
Society sees kanji as a fag because he has feminine hobbies. Because of this, he lashes out and acts like a delinquent to maintain a masculine appearance.
Yukiko feels pressured to maintain the family business, because of this pressure, she feels trapped (like a bird in a cage holy shit just like her shadow???) and unable to do all the things that the rest of society is going out and doing, despite her actually being happier with the family business.
Teens growing up surrounded by hundreds of other people all with their own dreams, expectations, and aspirations has an effect on their own goals and how they view themselves, and often people will try to run away from the things they are good at, or the things that make them happy, in order to better conform to or escape the social gaze.
This isn't even subtle writing. It explains this explicitly, multiple times, in the story. These are the types of niggas that get to episode 8 of umineko and still don't know who the culprit is
to be fair, its not wrong
the vast majority of social links are: >I don't wanna do thing >wait no actually I do wanna do thing but now I'm doing it for the RIGHT reasons
its funny how many issues this resolves
oh no the post is 100% correct. i think Ganker doesn't understand p4. its just not that well written of a game and just usual jrpg slop which is fine to enjoy but niggas are writing essays coping rn and thats funny
>main villain of the game is literally a cop who uses his position to game the system for his own pleasure >but the game is cop propaganda because there are officers that actually do their job and are good people
Their minimum threshold for what constitutes as "copaganda" is essentially just any non-negative depiction of law enforcement regardless of context. Like every where is supposed to be the same low-trust shithole where they live.
>operating table
That's a kaijin conversation station though. Naoto's whole dungeon has a tokusatsu theme to it, you're practically kicking in Shocker's door to save her from her own fears of society crushing her hopes and dreams.
>P4 LOVES cops
The main villain you're chasing the whole game turns out to be a cop who's using his position to cover his tracks and just became a cop so he could have a gun
Naoto's entire issue is how she wants to be a detective but think she won't be taken seriously as a woman, which is basically the game calling Japanese cops a bunch of sexists
Dojima is a good cop but then is an absentee father because of his job
And the entire police force were so ineffective that it took a group of teenagers to solve the murders
Thank God they gave them what they wanted with 5 where they gave kids mind nuclear bombs to destroy adults and they are actual "heroes" because giving immature children an untraceable gun will surely go well
>completely misrepresent the points being made by the game >get thousands of social media likes >if anyone speaks out to you to disagree and refute your points, they will be buried in the comment chain >chances are the original poster probably muted replies anyway or will just outright block anyone who doesn't just immediately agree with them
The shadows are denials taken to the extreme.
It isn't that hard to understand and yet homosexuals like this can somehow be this retarded.
Yosuke's modest contempt for being in the country becomes hate.
Yukiko's shadow was more about wanting to be loved than her stuff about the family business which again is taken to cartoonish levels.
Chie's which this dick-shit didn't even pay attention to was that she was in denial of being mad jelly of the conventionally feminine Yukiko and that was once again displayed as HATE for her.
These are not who the characters ARE, they are small aspects of the characters and the resolutions are acknowledging their feelings of contempt for their home town, desire to be loved and jealousy etc.
Some of these homosexuals are even able to understand that.
Yet when it comes to a guy's modest fear of emasculation because sewing you get a cartoonish homosexual of a shadow and think it is supposed to be taken as a serious example of his "true self".
Naoto's textbook dick-envy is a robot (again fairly cartoony) which desires mutilation (a thing that should be effortlessly recognizable as an extreme).
you mean to tell me that the JRPG bossfights are actually warped and exaggerated manifestations of the characters' worse tendencies?
what's next, saying that showing a fictional character doing a thing isn't an endorsement of that thing?
>Naoto's textbook dick-envy is a robot (again fairly cartoony) which desires mutilation (a thing that should be effortlessly recognizable as an extreme).
I thought Naoto's main thing was that she was afraid people wouldn't take her seriously, so she ran around acting like a dude. Her shadow shoved it in her face that doing that nonsense that reinforces the fact that she IS immature, mocking her by acting like a character in a kid's toku show who fixes her gender issue by turning into a cheesy-looking robot that's impossible to take seriously.
Only girls because they have lifelong hormonal issues. Men don't really change apart from the adjustments they have to make to yield responsibility and manage money
Persona was always shit anon.
Also im glad people are realizing what a venomously shitty piece of trash Chie is. Ive never seen a single character cause so much damage to shit because of all the fucking poison she brings out.
have a nice day you fucking fag
Chie is the best thing to happen to the franchise and for tomboy-enjoyers out there
I hope you're decapitated in your sleep
Conforming to society IS your true self and the way to happiness and success and growing up means finding yourself within society´s rules and roles, being a weirdo only makes you miserable and depressed like all leftoids are, you are not special nobody is you are a fucking loser.
Its funny how P4 is too mature for these retards when its not even a mature game
If you unironically think Japan is going the non-miserable and non-depressed route then you might want to look into the phenomena of karoshi and hikikomori as well as what happens to guys who go through the traditional Japanese grind of high school - college - office work and where they end up mentally. It's literally so bad that you have 50 year old men who work as writers at Atlus coming up with these retarded saccharine stories about teenagers to prevent their fanbase from collectively offing themselves.
what does degeneracy has to do with anything, shut the fuck up retard >noo you cant defend those ideas because look in this country bad things happened nooo
Yes bad things ALWAYS happen my ideas are still better than yours suck my cock you anarchist/commie bastard
Tell me more about a country youve never been to but that you know all about from westerner hit pieces please.
Yes conforming to traditionalism too much also has issues
But also Yes its still infinitely better than what the west does
Motherfucker, you are assuming the cultural value of the entire Asian world? You think you know Japan better than anybody in this thread? Get off your high horse.
>implying 80% of Japanese work culture isn't all about the appearance of working hard instead of actually getting shit done
Western countries have the same problem, too. At least when you nap in Japan during work they let you.
>It's literally so bad that you have 50 year old men who work as writers at Atlus coming up with these retarded saccharine stories about teenagers to prevent their fanbase from collectively offing themselves.
Considering how terrible western media has become, they might be onto something.
When was the last time you saw a western movie?
>all kinds of games/anime set in Japan have the protagonists hanging out on the school rooftop >School rooftops irl are always permanently locked because students wouldn't stop offing themselves from the top of the school building
Its still so weird to me that this is the interpretation they're going with. You know, the ones that they would consider to be stereotypical if Atlus has, for some reason, gone through with.
"Act gay? You're gay!"
Fucking x-coded is a retarded way of telling a story. Flamboyancy is not even necessarily attached to sexuality.
>NOOOOOOO VIDEO GAME DEVS HAVE TO MAKE THEIR CHARACTERS GAY nagger homosexualS JUST LIKE ME NOOOOOOO THEY HAVE TO DO THIS OR ELSE IT'S RACIST HOMOPHOBIC REEEEEEEEE
why are naggers and homosexuals like this?
Its what happens when the medium becomes the leader in earnings in terms of entertainment. Hollywood has fallen, all hail Silicon Valley or whatever the fuck the video game equivalent is.
Who the fuck knows, though, with these fucking assholes
You are fucking dumb!?!%?
Microsoft recently removed the thumbs down feature of their newsfeed because homosexual stuff got 600 dislikes vs 40 likes and it emboldened the NPCs into being free to think. Any degeneration is a choice, they actually want to push for homosexual stuff, if they truly didn't want to they could suppress it like they've thrown anti-abortion activists in jail for being within 500m of a clinic.
As soon as someone promotes sexual perversion to children, like the Games Award, we could simply throw them in jail.
Listen Hakmed, we have laws that grant us free speech here. You yourself would probably invoke those laws to defend masturbating to cartoons of children if you lived here. You can’t throw people in jail for that, parents need to be held responsible for what they allow their children to be exposed to not the goddamn government.
They joined the workforce while incels stayed home as jobless losers. Now they are a growing demographic in key sectors which means that they get more voting power than others. They are completely irrelevant still in some tech sectors (like the one I work in) with no visible presence and thus no power.
>They are completely irrelevant still in some tech sectors
don't know what tech sectors you're talking about but there's plenty of fags and trannies in programming
overreacting to not being accepted and being as anti-social and excessive as possible about what should only be a small aspect of your identity purely because people reject it is not "being your true self".
>be true to your self! >"what the fuck? How the fuck am I supposed to do that if I can't force everyone around me to also do the same?"
these people are sick in the head, this mindest of "my way or you're out of my life" is so fucking terrible. compromise is required as soon as another human is involved.
Yeah making people be responsible members of society is so backwards its so much better to be extreme individualists and never care about anyone unless they are part of my pronoun cult Im sure that can sustain a civilization for long and wont have a pendulum swift effect that will kill thousands if not millions oh yeah progress here we go babyyy
that's almost every piece of Japanese media, it always reverts to the conformist bug mentality no matter how rebellious or individualistic it pretends to be
>Naoto finds that she can be herself while being in a male-oriented work >Chie finally grows up out of her jealousy towards her best friend >Kanji can stop being fragile and overcompensate >Yosuke stopped being a man-child >Rise managed to take the reins on her job, finding a healthy balance in her carreer >Yukiko realizes that her family work doesn't tie her into a place, she can be free while still being the owner of an Inn >Teddie can actually accept himself as a shadow turned into a human >All of that is bad
Man and some trans people wonder why they're taken as an absolute joke
it's insanely hilarious to have japs write about your true self or whatever when they are the number 1 "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" (literally a japanese proverb) nation in the world
Naoto keep working as a detective, a male-oriented work, that's farther from conforming with the norm, Chie is still a tomboy who had to be hired by Akihiko to join the police force, Rise managed to have normal life despite how insane being an Idol is in Japan, Kanji is still a man with girly interest, he's now more professional looking, tell me anon, did you really played Persona?
I like how in this photo, fags like this say they're all just conforming and hiding their true selves, but that isn't entirely the case.
Like, look at them. They've matured but they clearly haven't thrown away their personalities. Kanji still has a "rough around the edges" vibe despite having stopped bleaching his hair. But he's probably going to be more respected that way even if he goes into a textile/fashion related job where he can flex his skills.
Yukiko was always quite conservative in her dress, but now she's looking quietly confident and mature.
Naoto isn't hugely feminine but she's actually smiling. She hid herself away before, when she pretended to be a boy.
P4 tells troons that they are wrong and its just a phase at best or extremely ostracising antinature behaviour at worst
So they seethe my god they seethe, and they will seethe for many more decades, because deep down they know its true
The thing that absolutely sucks is that we all know in our fucking hearts that Persona 4 Remake is very clearly happening and they will "correct the writing" so the potential chance of them adopting the story and characters to satisfy Twitter is, unfortunately, up in the fucking air. Especially without Hashino at the lead to more or less enforce that their vision is more important than the fucking audience' desire from these games.
But Atlus seems to have so far avoided trying to make their games feel globalized so I could be wrong. We just have to wait and see with Persona 3's remake.
Persona 4 remake might be happening, but by that point I will be able to play it untranslated since atlus only troons their games out in the west and doubles down on mockery in the east.
>Persona 4 remake
I think Atlus should’ve saved themselves the trouble of doing P3 reload and put both FES and Portable on modern platforms. While I wouldn’t completely doubt they would do a P4 remake it still feels unnecessary compared to the many other games in their catalog that would deserve it. I mean even P3 Reload isn’t even making it a definitive version so to speak. You’d think they’d integrate all of content from previous releases into one package, but no.
Anon, its not about the fact it has to happen, its the fact that the industry is rewarding it. Resident Evil 4 was the last game that needed a remake, and while yeah, I think the remake is pretty alright, the fact remains, it did not need to happen.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Persona 3 Remake sells well, all that tells Atlus is the green light for P4 is a go go.
I suppose but I just wonder why not give that treatment to something else? Even if we’re just focusing on the Persona franchise why not remake 1 and the 2 duology? I know fans would be hesitant about the changes it would make. But at least it could put a spotlight back on it’s predecessors.
I don't know to be honest. I guess they just saw everybody scream about how hard it is to play Persona 3 and thought it was free money? But I think it would be retarded for them to be following what Twitter is saying so I can't give you a clean and intelligent answer on why they're doing this than something like P1 or the P2 duology. You're right, it would be more exciting, but I don't know, man.
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Fair enough, I’d be more inclined to get Reload had it included everything from FES and Portable with any necessary modifications. But it’s still just the base story from what I understand. Sure there’s new combat mechanics but for me that’s not worth the $70 alone.
it's insanely hilarious to have japs write about your true self or whatever when they are the number 1 "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" (literally a japanese proverb) nation in the world
It's because they are from that culture that they write about that problem. People write about societal issues in their society, why would you write about a societal issues you don't have to deal with?
People don't write stories that just perfectly conform to societal values.
If the writer held those values they'd be an office worker or something, not a writer.
Naoto is a private investigator, shes carrying on a family business as an only child orphan. she'll turn into a housewife and give birth to new detectives.
I don't think it's even slightly possible to have a decent thread about Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom. Smash Bros threads are also trying really hard to set new records for lowest IQ posts.
I feel like that's genuinely good characterization. The idea of correcting themselves over night is retarded and the fact remains that Yosuke is a dick for this, true, but this is what makes him memorable.
I mean sure, but that's kind of fucked up to have the group pretend they're friend when he makes fun of him the whole game for the very insecurity he got a shadow over
Would be banter if kanji actually had a retort, he should have made fun of yosuke for simping for a below average dead girl that hated him, as is kanji's just a victim
Yeah, I wish Kanji was at least given a chance to callout Yosuke on his hypocrisy. I know Kanji isn’t the smartest in the group but from what I remember he got the most flack especially in the spin offs.
Your true self isn't whatever the fuck you want to be without any regard for other's opinions or needs. Your true self is the best version of you that fits in and compliments the people around you. The entire notion of the persona is that the self is made up of your inner self along with the version of you that others perceive. The idea is not self-acceptance, but working on finding a way to make your selfish ways work in tandem with others.
Those high in narcissistic traits (usually trannies, gays, "creative" types) will never understand this, they're too self centered and expect the world to mold to them.
>BASED PERSONA FOR TEACHING KIDS TO GROW UP AND BE MATURE! >*Proceeds to do nothing but masturbate to hentai and stay unemployed" >*Doesn't even breed" >YEP, I'M TOTALLY GROW UP AND MATURE AND I'D TOTALLY FIT IN NIPPON GLORIOUS SOCIETY
>Persona 4 be like "Be your true self! But only if your true self isn't gay, isn't trans, isn't too much of a tomboy, doesn't dress weird, inherits the family business and generally abides by cultural norms. You can like sewing but your friend will still call you a slur."
The bigger problem than accepting mental illness that is trannyism is be yourself as long as you are attractive enough to have friends. People who play this game for the social life simulator aspect don't have friends cause they are too ugly and were always relegated to be loser outcasts in school.
>Too ugly.
No, friend. Too spergy or repugnant in that regard. Genuinely, if you're looking for platonic friendship: what kind of homosexuals are you hanging around that give a shit what you look like if you're a good bro? I was a fat, ugly ass little kid up until late in high school, and I had friends, even if they were just equally outcast dudes who I could play D&D with.
>what kind of homosexuals are you hanging around that give a shit what you look like if you're a good bro?
It is a feedback loop that starts early. Kids that are 8 years old are too dumb to understand this so they act naturally and it is natural for attractive kids to get to the top and fat odd ones to be on the bottom. And by the time you get to the age where you say sperginness and being repugnant matters you already got that from being an outcast early on in your life. Also not everyone will find enough outcast dudes to band together. I didn't.
>Still call you a slur
Why do these people act like being called a slur is one of the worst things that can happen to you? Who the fuck cares? Call them a fag back and move on.
Everyone get's called names at one point or another. If you let it affect you that badly then you're doing yourself a diservice by making yourself into a thin skinned pussy.
That’s true. But I doubt it’s easy as that for those that face that ridicule everywhere in their lives with no support, not even their family. It’s sure to cause some amount of mental and emotional trauma. Even beyond that enabling such behavior could go further from name calling to actual physical harm.
The behaviour shouldn't be encouraged no. But at the same time we can't coddle everyone. There definitely have been a massive surge of the amount of thin skinned people. Treating name calling as if an actual crime had been committed on them.
>Treating name calling as if an actual crime had been committed on them.
historically most cultures treated it as such, men often foughts duels and killed each other over a little name calling
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Those cultures were thin-skinned homosexuals
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They were honor cultures where men were willing to fight and put their lives on the line. Insulting others and not expecting consequences is feminine behavior.
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Men should be stoic and in control of their emotion, going into a seething rage because someone called you a name is feminine behavior.
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Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low and if you did, it was a horrible life full of constant pain and suffering.
Men were willing to die over little things because it was actually the better option than living long and at least you'd be remembered as an honorable man and not a frail coward.
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>Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low
When will this meme fucking die
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The average life span from 2000BC-1920 was 38 years old. Granted the extreme childhood mortality rates skew it, if you made it past 10, you'd probably live into your 40s, but you wouldn't really want to. The people who lived into their 60s and 70s were as decrepit as 90-100 year olds are today.
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>Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low
No it wasn't. I've researched my family tree and 90% of them lived past 60.
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Based
>Treating name calling as if an actual crime had been committed on them.
historically most cultures treated it as such, men often foughts duels and killed each other over a little name calling
And there's a reason a lot of those practises faded out, at least in the west. If people began killing each other over name calling we'd be fucked.
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>And there's a reason a lot of those practises faded out,
Mostly a result of western society becoming more feminine and soft
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Murdering someone because they called you gay, yeah really manly and honourable behaviour.
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it's a lot more manly than complaining to the HR department like a modern man would
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I wish dueling was still a thing.
The world would be a much more peaceful place if honorable fights like that still took place. Instead, people just rage and explode and kill tens of innocents instead of dueling the person they're actually mad at.
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>If people began killing each other over name calling we'd be fucked.
But blacks do it all the time still!?!?
But some of them deserve it, like the amount of drag show crossdressers who are chomos.
I don't know why the LBGTWTFBBQs have chosen to defend them >We are coming for your children
Why can't you dress up in women's clothes in the privacy of your own bedroom? Why does little Timmy have to see you?
I think it’s about the expression of individuality. Is the sudden connection to children strange? Yes, but I know a lot of reasonable people who don’t see an issue with it if the parents want to expose their kids to alternative lifestyles. It is actually a pretty nuanced issue ripe for actual discussion but that will never happen because it’s just been a wildly successful shitlib psyop against the chuds.
That would be awesome. I just wonder if Atlus would go out of their way to include social life mechanics? I’m not too favorable about that but I doubt it would be possible anyways. Due to the structure of the game and story. There wouldn’t be any time for that.
>90s: Homosexuals in Japanese media have to be censored out in the western release >2020s: Straight characters in Japanese media are not gay enough for western fans
Like just walk away nigga, stop taking it so seriously. It's only "alright" from a eugenics standpoint where you're getting rid of men too dumb to do that.
eugenically men who refuse to fight for their convictions don't breed much and their societies become autistic and extinct, kinda like what's happening to Japan currently
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Eugenically countries obsessed with macho man bullshit are corrupt shitholes that get btfo by modern militaries whenever they go to war. Like Russia and all the middle east countries.
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at least they breed
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If you're so obsessed with breeding, how many kids you got? Don't give any excuses about where you live cause the fringe Mormons and Amish have no problem having kids. Also why don't you move to Afghanistan or the like? Could it be you really rather have few or no kids and live in a modern society than have 7 kids while living in a shithole?
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oh look, the redditor is rattled and ranting
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You're too afraid to answer the question cause it would make you a genetic failure by your own standard.
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Funny that the populations of countries with those modern militaries are starting to look a lot like those ‘corrupt shitholes’. Die whiteoid.
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I'm not white. My ethnicity is in no danger of dying out.
If the host country become brown, either the browns adopt the modern system and the country stays relatively strong, or they don't adopt the system and the host country becomes a corrupt shithole and weakens. Either way it shows the backward values to be the weaker system.
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Whatever convert to Islam or die
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>America giving up beer and pork
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It won’t be a choice. You like talking about eugenics, those that won’t will not be around to have children.
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It will be a choice cause muzzies are shit at fighting. A million 0's is still a 0.
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And who will stop them when the native European stock are breed out? The Chinese, pajeets, South Americans? Those people lack the spirit.
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Stop what lmao? The muzzies love to infight. Middle East isn't a shithole cause mutts and israelites bombed it, it was like that because the governments are corrupt organization that fight against every neighboring government. Middle East will be an eternal disorganized shithole.
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Your country is now the middle east
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Uh huh, they'll surely get the other minorities to cooperate. The chinks put muslims in concentration camps. The pajeets point their nukes at pakistan. The central and south americans have no affinity to Islam whatsoever. The blacks, by and large, don't even closely adhere to whatever religion they say they adopt. Keep dreaming Achmed.
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Cope, the post. You're a coward and will convert to Islam instead of fighting when the time comes for you. Your punishment is living to see my world.
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>2 more weeks until we destroy Israel unlike the last 3 times when we got completely btfo with a 10 to 1 numerical and material advantage
You can't even get rid of a few israelites living in your backyard.
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Your words will turn to sand in your mouth
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You will keep suffering in a medieval society until the oil runs out and it becomes much, much worse.
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You will be brown
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>AAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU WILL BE A TRANSnagger
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Stats don't lie
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>implying fighting for freedom and sovereignty is in any way similar to fighting because someone called you an idiot
Yes a complete coward won't fight for his convictions, but someone who fights for anything will quickly get themselves killed.
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>eugenically men who refuse to fight for their convictions don't breed much
Tell that to the pacifistic proto-hippies and sexually liberated women that all took positions in society left by men who died in WWII.
If you get assaulted you need to know how to defend yourself and that might include violence, like using a firearm, on the other hand, learning homosexual behavior is never useful, there is zero situation where that sort of violence is necessary.
>be your true self >naoto realizes that she doesnt have to pretend to be a man >lives on to be a girl because she was born a girl
i dont see the problem here.
>Be your true self! But only if it isn't trans.
I mean yes? That's correct? How are you becoming your true self by signing up for expensive pharma subscriptions and getting a self mutilating surgery?
The leftists have a point and you're refusing to see because in this case it's about homosexuality and trannyism.
But it is the truth that a big part of Persona 4's message is how you should be true to yourself but it just so happens that being true to themselves all happen to fit within what society and the other characters expect of them. If the discussion wasn't about homosexuality I think you'd be able to see it. Like Yukiko's whole issue is about how she doesn't want to inherit the family inn, and the game is all "You need to be true to yourself, be who you really are, don't be forced to do what society expects of you, you're an individual with free will!" and then she just accepts to inherit the inn.
Like what if Kanji's issue wasn't about sewing and being feminine or gay, but instead about liking rebellious fashion so much that he likes to sew and wants to create a gyaruo fashion brand but his family is against it and want him to join the family business so he represses it. If that was Kanji's arc and it was resolved with Kanji deciding "No, I'm really passionate about this, I'm so passionate about this that I've learned all the ins and outs of gyaruo and I think I have what it takes to create a successful business around this. My family might disagree, but they'll come around if I make a successful business", it would be on theme. But if he just went "No, that fashion is for rebelling teenagers, I need to do what my family wants" then it would defeat the point of the message. It's a problem of the writer wanting to talk about a message for good boy points but then just writing an easy solution for the problem so they don't have to actually deal with the consequences that could happen for the character choosing the harder choice.
It's like in Xenoblade 1 when Shulk says "No, I can't kill him, he's a Homs!" but then the villain dies to a pillar falling on him anyway.
>trannies get triggered when fictional teenagers are shown to grow out of stupid childish delusions, pull up their socks and make something out of their lives
"Muh True Self™!" cries out the trans vtuber in an unconvincing falsetto, unable to comprehend the uncomplicated themes of a vidya for Japanese teenagers.
>I can see how men might convince themselves that their feelings of emotional desperation is personal weakness as opposed to a symptom they're all experiencing from White Imperialism. >White Imperialism.
Dude she was set up with all the facts necessary and came to the entirely wrong conclusion
Its like she came out to 2+2=42069
Still play it on Vita despite owning it on PC
Unironically just looks like shit on a different screen same with the PS2 version if not played on a nice fuzzy CRT
Only recently played 4 Golden. After playing it and finally "getting" it all these years later, I can say it was pretty clear Naoto wasn't meant to be trans and Kanji isn't meant to be gay. That's part of the midnight channel's Shadow of you being an amalgamation of many things, including others' perception of you. People saw Naoto as a boy, so her Shadow teases the idea while mocking her feminity making her weak. Kanji likes knitting and feminine hobbies, which is why he's grappling with his image in the first place, and it doesn't help Yosuke (whose deleted content hints that he's gay or bi in the first place) calls him a fag every chance he gets as a means of deflection. The game spells all this shit out (outside the deleted content bit) and I'm confused if anyone actually bothered to finish the game.
Game is bad because characters have an ideal of fulfilling general civic and personal/familial responsibilities and duties instead of just living a life entirely predicated on your lusts and desires
When zoomers say slur they mean the word homosexual, right? Is slur just shorthand for homosexual or does it encompass other ones too (nagger, israelite, etc.)?
Well it used to be a slur. But it's been reclaimed and is used as more so a blanket term nowadays. I just said that because it was used in that context in P4 by Kanji's shadow.
>They game is lying!! >Naoto stops pretending to be a man and accepts her womanhood >Kanji stops bleaching his hair and dressing like a punk to scare people away, stops caring about what other people think
We all know twittertrannies only care about these 2 specifically for obvious reasons, so i wont list what the others do
Genders stereotypes are reinforced in the west where you possess some attributes that belong to the opposite sex it means you want to be them (a tranny).
She crossdresses to pass as a man, clearly resents her sex, and her twisted delusion is to mutilate herself into being a man. The game is going for internalized misogyny leading to her contorting and destroying herself to conform to a stereotypical masculine ideal that isn't truly her either, the acceptance is she doesn't need to be that. Trannies obviously read it as gender dysphoria and she's not at odds with believing society would prefer she was a man but rather SHE prefers she'd be a man.
Wwhy does P4 have two tomboy party members that are insecure about their femininity? They're basically the same character except one is a retard obsessed with steak
>message is accept yourself >idiot rejects message, rejects self and becomes retarded tranny eyesore monstruosity, a disfigured shadow of his actual being, because he can't accept that he was born a male
Retarded clowns proving japs right every time they open their stupid mouths lmao.
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Nobody's true self is "trans". Way to miss the point, retard. All trannies are just victims who conform to societal expectations instead of being true to themselves. Being a man with long hair takes courage. A man calling himself a woman because of his long hair is the greatest act of cowardice and betrayal imaginable.
>Being a man with long hair takes courage. A man calling himself a woman because of his long hair is the greatest act of cowardice and betrayal imaginable.
You're delusional if you think trannies are more accepted than long-haired men.
They're not, but they think they will be. So they're taking the perceived easy path, and when it ends up being harder they blame everybody but themselves and cling to their fake identity. All the while they make life harder for honest men with long hair by reinforcing the social pressure that made them fearful in the first place and creating new tranny stereotypes that people will now push onto men with long hair. It's abusive. All trannies are abusers and predators.
>They're not, but they think they will be.
No they don't, they literally live life as a long-haired man before transitioning (they call it "boymode"), they do this because they KNOW it's easier to just be a man. Stop being retarded, there are plenty of other reasons to disagree with trannies beside this.
Yes, they do. I've argued with literally hundreds of trannies and managed to help a few detransition, and it always comes down to "I want society to accept me as a woman because it wasn't accepting me as a feminine man". You have no idea what you're talking about. They buy into the erroneous belief that a person can just "identify" as something else to get the social esteem that they want to have, and then mutilate their bodies and burn all of their relationships chasing that impossibility while their discord groomers egg them on.
Based on the echo chamber they live in filled with encouraging groomers who tell them sweet lies to get them to do whatever their fetishistic cult says. These people are not keen on reality, if they were they wouldn't be dumb enough to become trannies to begin with.
So they tell them that women are the most privileged and protected class. That's something I see in left wing circles and not right wing PUA incel Fresh & Fit spaces.
>your friends can still call you a slur
Friends don't do that all the fucking time? We use my group of friends do that always and we never got into a fight for it
People like this see what they want to see. They're incapable of understanding anything they don't agree with. Nothing but "muh racism" and "muh transphobia" everywhere they look.
The reality is these characters understood themselves better than some homosexual in a dress projecting their opinions onto them.
The issue is that people try to read inbetween the lines of what is an otherwise extremely blunt game franchise.
If the conclusion was "Kanji is actually just bi/gay"; "Naoto is actually trans"; "Yukiko should not take over the inn"; "Rise should get away from stardom", the game would blatantly tell you, in the most autistically blunt way possible, because that's what they do with every single other aspect of the game.
Persona isn't particularly smart, it knows its audience, that being fucking weebs. And just like every other MAINSTREAM (because there are exceptions ofcourse) piece of anime/manga, Persona is very straight foward with what it wants to say at all times.
The worst mistake Persona fans ever made was thinking their games were particularly smart/insightful, because now they think they have to secondguess every single aspect of the story.
>15 years later
>homosexuals STILL don't understand persona 4
It's not that deep holy shit
>be a good Japanese citizen, don’t be suicidal or emotionally crippled
There I saved you 80+ hours per game
This. It's nationalistic propaganda funded and created by the Japanese government in order to get rebellious teens to become model slaves to the system and it worked.
Do you honestly expect secondary fans who's entire experience is a 5 minute recap video to get the games themes?
Um I literally watched a 14 hour analysis of Chie ALONE dude. I know more about it than you.
>literally watched a 14 hour analysis of Chie ALONE dude
Link me up. Chie is my waifu
Kanji is bisexual at minimum, Japs and localizers are just retarded for not being able to put into words the patently obvious. If he's straight, why does he get all nervous about seeing the boys in swimtrunks and why does he crush on Naoto when he think's she's a boy and try to meet for what he thinks is a secret gay liaison?
Consider: Just because she turns out to be a girl doesn't make it not gay. It's the reverse of trying to hook up with what you think is a cute girl but turns out to be a tranny. You wouldn't be gay in that instance, just an oblivious retard who got tricked. This is obvious to anyone who's brain doesn't run on a variant of "are traps gay" Discord tranny discourse. Being gay has exactly ONE (1) requirement, and that requirement is wanting to fuck your own gender, which Kanji does. He is categorically gay or bisexual.
The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.
Anything else is just a smokescreen. Japs think hypermasculinity is actually more gay than being a girly pretty boy, so what sense does it make that someone insecure about being gay would cover up their feminine gayness by doing something even gayer? Imagine the western equivalent: why would someone trying to cover up their gayness be a queer metrosexual in guyliner? Surely they'd hit the gym and grow a beard instead. It makes no sense unless what you're worried about isn't having people thinking you're gay because you're effeminate, it's having people think you're effeminate because you're gay. In other words, Kanji is more worried about being a bottom than being gay.
Also, Naoto isn't really a tranny because nobody is really a tranny; it's just a delusion.
>just because shes a girl doesn't make it not gay
Trannys believe this shit lmao
Trannies and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. It's like the 50% of humanity below the baseline 100 IQ aren't able to follow basic transitive logic, so they all go completely insane when you introduce trannies to the equation because they can't work out what their own sexuality is any more.
Big spoilers, retard: if you tried to fuck Buck Angel without knowing it's actually a woman beforehand the attempt alone would make you gay (and obviously so). I don't know why people lose their minds when it's a male-to-female tranny and make all kinds of post hoc rationalization for why chasing trannies is actually 'straight' or why being tricked by a convincing one is actually 'gay', but I know for a fact that nobody is confused when it comes to wanting to fuck Buck Angel. It's gay, and so are (You).
>tl;dr you're out of touch with reality and you need to leave mom's basement
It's contrived but ultimately more coherent. The only reason it's relevant is because this framing is the only arguable counterpoint to Kanji being gay. Tokenism would make you expect exactly one full blown homo and it was supposed to be Yosuke. Either Yosuke is gay or Kanji is. Narratively, it can't be neither, because a gay character arc without any gay characters is incoherent.
Yeah fucking a woman is straight if you are a man. I dont know why you find that hard to understand.
So why are bisexual men just called gay even if they end up in bed with a woman?
Every bisexual I "met" is just straight/gay with a liiiiiiiiiiiiiil bit of homo/straight into it. Like bisexual dude had 10 partners, 9 out of them were women and 1 man.
Same with women, although their only experience with women is kissing them while drunk when some dudes dares them to.
Because being bisexual is fake just like being gay
>The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.
that sounds so awful, thank god they axed it
I think it would have been alright, daring if I must say. More funny to see how people would've been bent out of shape because of it.
This, exactly. Thank you, someone who has some sense.
>why does he crush on Naoto when he think's she's a boy
because Kanji is super straight, his boner could sniff out naotos tiddies through her disguise
>implying people who go on the internet to talk about video games understand video games
And >inb4 your post whose to say I do?
Why did hiimdaisy stop making these
They burnt out and pivoted to making some original web comic instead.
trannies and fags, no joke
Probably for the best.
Don't think she'd be able to handle cancel culture or twitter these days.
I like how its barely even exaggerating what Yosuke's actually like
I miss the Let's Destroy Series.
Would have loved a Let's Destroy The Patriots or Let's Destroy Sahelanthropus
would have been awesome
fuck off
I could give you the real answer but then Id fall for your stupid bait so fuck off
there wasn't any question to answer tho
You already failed for it by responding
The real answer is and always has been sex with Chie
based, homosexuals are gross but who the fuck is that person in front of yosuke?
Dumbass Anon, it's Marie. Considering her spoilers, that only make the image even more true.
>don't be dead, or the goddess of death, and get over the fact that you lost your memories and fall in love
how does that lesson for her apply to anything that twitter cunt is talking about?
sounds about right, I was born a human. If i start barking like a dog because i feel like a dog people would think i'm crazy. though in this day and age i'm not sure anymore.
>If i start barking like a dog because i feel like a dog people would think i'm crazy
If you were a cute girl and you did this you'd just make money off of filming it and you'd have tons of simps asking to fuck you. Shit you might not even have to be cute.
if you were a cute girl you could monetize your literal daily shits.
Some thot in Austin did this and makes mad money from OnlyFans. She does have a nice ass admittedly.
Head of maintenance at an area hotel said when a furry convention booked there they asked for litter boxes in the bathrooms in the convention space
Persona4bros.....................did we just lose?
I knew it, these people are complete retards that dont understand society in any way and think that "doing what you want" actually makes anyone happy ever.
>people being wrong on twitter means we lose
I know that that statement is true but it shouldn't be. I hope P3R bombs because I don't want "P4Platinum now featuring trans naoto and gay kanji."
Atlus has been using fags as the butt of jokes basically every single game, the only time a gay has been shown as an actual character in basically any franchise was, like, Jun in P2. I really don't know why they're so attracted to the series/developer as a whole because they have never given them a single inch beyond "Fine, we'll remove the two mincing gay men in the red light district trying to pick up two teenage boys, I guess."
aesthetically Atlus stuff looks really gay which attracts shallow LGBT types
I suppose, but usually there's brigade posts and people getting way too invested in other people playing or enjoying those games. It's odd that it's the same mistake every time.
Also going to recast everyone with Youtubers and trannies like 3 is right now
>I hope P3R bombs
Sucks to suck retard, P3R is shaping up to be a video game remake done right then some though I will agree that 4 doesn't need a remake when Golden exists and still holds up very well unlike FES or Portable for 3.
>P3R is shaping up to be a video game remake done right
Like I said, sucks to suck retard.
Also, its not just English VAs who got recasted for Reload. Japanese VAs did too, so you posting that Twitter screencap isn't the "gotcha" you think it is in your sub 70 IQ imbecile brain you absolute fuckwit.
>Hiring Youtubers for VA work is a good thing
SEGA keeps him around for some reason, even with the bad PR he brings.
Holy based. I want dubnaggers to suffer. Maybe they'll learn to read now.
>SMT1 heroine character
Nice.
Does this guy know what character development is?
The game is about growing up and maturing and accepting responsibilities, so Im not surprised these millenials or zoomers that dont know what responsibility is find it gross.
>But da millenials and zoomies
Talk about tone-deaf
It's ironic because these idiots are doing the same shit they're accusing P4 of doing, they want the characters to be their true selves but ONLY if their true selves are LGBT and don't conform to society.
>words words words
GET TO THE GOOD PART
Naoto never ever thought she was trans she dresses as a boy because boys are taken more seriously.
Everything else is also wrong but this one shows this guy didnt play the game
He played the game, just had relentlessly incorrect analyses of its themes due to projection. How angry this guy got from the game is obvious in these tweets and only the mentally unfortunate get like this over videogames
>Trannies ONCE AGAIN co-opting women's struggles to make it all about themselves
It's beyond comical at this point.
Okay so WHEN are disgusting fags going to shut the fuck up?
Naoto being a trans allegory will always be funny to me because transgenderism was not even an annoying glint in society's behind until like 2015 or something. Its like people just suddenly forgot that crossdressing as the other gender was a fucking common trope.
>I didn't hear about trannies before 2015 so they didn't exist then
Yeah they kept to themselves, funny how given equal treatment they immediately became such pedophilic menaces
>Yeah they kept to themselves,
They really didn't/ They just didn't have institutions helping them
>pronouns
People only cared about that during the 2020s. There were people making fun of tumblrites who did fuck up the definition of gender
>Nah we did, and we all wanted to fuck them since only hot ones existed.
Speak for yourself homosexual
>Yeah, they didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
>stonewall
nagger, a gay black CROSSDRESSER isn't a tranny, Stop being fucking dumb.
Tranny and crossdressers are just sub genres of homosexual.
>all these fucking newsperm zoomer replies
were you fags even born when the pregnant man was plastered over every single media outlet?
this is 2008
https://archive.nytimes.com/artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/the-pregnant-man-delivers/
nagger I was born in 1992, the pre-2014 trannyspam was NOTHING compared to the post-2014 trannyspam, even here on Ganker which has always had trannyspam and pedospam
He's right though. Pre-2016 idpol discourse surrounded around
>neo-feminism
>pronouns
>extreme gender nonconforming
while trannies today are about gender conforming so hard you lop off your dick
Yeah, you fucking tranny.
We called them traps
No, we didn't. Traps are a separate thing.
Nah we did, and we all wanted to fuck them since only hot ones existed.
Trannies seethe at traps constantly though.
They unironically hate gays more than /misc/
Traps are not inherently gay
Traps do not exist in the 3DPD form.
Correct
Well, I guess if you wanted proper representation, Buffalo Bill is right over there.
Yeah, they didn't.
They're the new fad for socially stunted autistic kids that want to fit in somewhere, just like every other fad before it. This fad just has permanent consequences. Fortunately, should only be a few more years until it changes again.
>Fortunately, should only be a few more years until it changes again.
>Fortunately
What makes you think it'll change for the better?
People will replace their human parts with robot parts and argue over their robotic rights when it comes to AI replacing them.
trannies have never existed, they are all mentally ill, none of their problems are legitimate.
rewriting history again i see.
My favorite troon meme is the “two spirits” cope that natives were all hecking cute and valid trans folx. When in reality, not every tribe practiced any sort of two spirit stuff, and those that did, did so only in ceremonies aka literally just acting.
They might as well not have. Most people knew what a transvestite was but it was usually either the butt of a joke or something you'd only see in some real shithole neighborhoods where prostitution was out in the open (or thailand). It wasn't something that was a serious identity and it sure as fucking hell wasn't on the public consciousness. It was only thrust into the public with Bruce Jenner because the israelite media and NGOs wanted to further accelerate America's transition (heh) into Weimar 2.0.
The terminally online ones had only just started establishing themselves outside of Tumblr a year or two prior
I'm glad all the trannies left to Threads where no one can hear them dilate
>are you even a little mentally unstable?! Then you should chop off your tits or dicks, and inject yourself with as much drugs as possible. Now shut the fuck up chud
Sounds based when you put it that way. Like Japan made it so you had to be sterilised to be a Troon before people realised what they were doing. Now they self sterilise by doing it themselves. The next big step is finding a way for female to male trannies to be self sterilised, chopping off their tits and testosterone just aren’t cutting it.
>"Actually no, I'm not, I just like sewing"
Yes, that's literally Kanji. He's a straight guy who enjoys feminine hobbies. Rather listening to a bunch of homosexuals who keep screaming at him "NOOOO IF YOU LIKE GIRLY THINGS THAT MEANS YOU'RE GAY YOU NEEEEED TO FUCK MEN!!! YOU'RE BEING HUMAN WRONG!!" he says "Fuck that, yeah I like doing girly shit AND wanna fuck women."
He's not supposed to be some dumb stereotype who is forced to be gay just because he likes gay things because well written characters and well adjusted people aren't purely stereotypes.
Funny thing is that if they played at any point, they'd know Kanji isn't gay because he flat out says it wasn't about the relationships, he just didn't want to get rejected for liking girly things and ends up embracing that side of him instead of trying to push people away.
I don't agree with the twitterfag but he's not arguing that Kanji is gay. He's arguing that Kanji being gay would make the "be your true self" message more relevant than what's currently in the game.
How? How is being gay more relevant than the complexity that is rejection? How is liking dick at all comparable to the universal notion of the fear that being who you are will turn people away? Make that make sense to me.
Gay people face rejection often for what they rather than who they are as an individual within society.
So? Rejection is universal. They aren't special for it because they're fucking gay. The intent of the arc is the fear of rejection for who you are, not the root of it.
I didn’t insinuate they’re special for it. I was just explaining that’s what they face. Yes, of course everyone faces rejection. But are the ramifications for said rejection the same for everyone, I think not.
Then don’t go shoving it down my throat. Don’t walk around covered in rainbows and talking like you’ve been kicked in the balls every 5 minutes. Just be a fucking person. I don’t walk around wearing a shirt that says “I love big tits” because you’re supposed to keep your sexual interests to yourself in public.
>you’re supposed to keep your sexual interests to yourself in public.
Bluepilled. Learn PUA
I don’t know what that is and probably don’t want to knowing Ganker
>Pandemic Unemployment Assistance
What
Not that guy, but if he was a closet homo then he would live with the crippling fear of everyone knowing who he really is and probably be rejected by society at large. That's why several people IRL public figures have fake marriages with gorgeous women to appease the masses, meanwhile they sneak out in the shadows to be with their true gay lovers.
Nowadays it's a less common practice since gay shit is now less taboo, but it used to be incredibly common to see a celebrity/politician caught up like that every now and then back in the day.
...So his arc is now timeless instead of feeling isolated to its time period. I don't see the problem here.
yeah but p4's message is that if that dude legitimately reached out to those around him he would be cured of gayness because his friends would defeat his gay shadow and he would become an honest hetero
his true self isn't gay, so conforming to a stereotype and turning into what other people believe him to be would be betraying his true self
ironically that'd flatten his character and make him less complex as a result.
>you like Gay Stuff that means your True Self must wanna fuck men!
No, it would actually make Kanji much more hollow and one-dimensional and make his arc extremely uninteresting.
The message is more relevant BECAUSE he's not gay. BECAUSE he has to deal with both being straight and not having what's seen aas traditionally straight hobbies.
If he were gay the message would just be "You're gay and like gay stuff, just be gay"
Because he's straight, the message is "You can be straight and still like gay stuff, it won't make you gay. Be yourself, enjoy what you enjoy, fuck who you want to fuck, you'll still be you, you won't be forced to being gay or getting rid of your hobbies. You don't have to choose one over the other, because the combination of both is who you are."
I just don't understand how be who you want, society's expectations don't define you isn't the better message than YOU'RE PROBABLY GAY
The fact is is Kanji has the potential to be gay. Its not outright stated. Isn't that the beauty of "modern sexuality" is that its defined fluidly rather than concretely? Am I going insane here?
Its not even a fucking conservative message.
This is why I just stick to the doujins where he gets fucked in the ass by the MC.
>it doesn't count unless he's sucking cocks
No it wouldn't you fucking retard. That would literally be the opposite of that because the point of his arc was that he was self-conscious about people viewing him as gay because of his feminine hobbies so him being gay would completely ruin his character arc. You can an arc with a character being kay but that's not Kanji's fucking arc. God it's insane how hard trannies and homos miss the fucking point in Persona 4.
>No it wouldn't you fucking retard.
I'm not posting my opinion in that post. I'm explaining someone else's opinion. You fucking retard.
This.
Same with Naoto, she DIDN'T want to be a man she just wanted to be a grown ass man that would be respected as a detective.
WHY?
>Little girl + Detective
A lot of people didn't take her seriously because she's a girl AND a kid.
So her solution is that she wants to be a cool detective man and act like an adult.
It has nothing to do with her sexual orientation.
That's why she says
>I'll grow from a child to an adult eventually but I should get over the other thing
It's almost as if people outside of America have different norms and cultures.
...Ok so their interpretations are actually pretty spot on.
But they are saying that...it's wrong? What? No it's not. They're completely correct. How can you think that liking sewing must mean you're gay or trans? You ARE being immature and childish to think such a dumb thing.
The other ones are just mostly in line with the saying "the grass isn't always greener". Which is also right.
>Ok so their interpretations are actually pretty spot on
it's not at all retard. have you even played the game
This retarded is the idiot for thinking persona was ever progressive
P4's message was not letting your insecurities get control of you to the point that you become like adachi and justify amoral behavior because you didnt get what you entitled yourself from society.
its message is clear. if you dont feel like you have a meaningful life reach out to others and make relationships. your true self will appear by doing such things. now you can argue whether such things always work for all people as that is adachi's argument that circumstance led him to becoming the way he his but the protag who could have gone the same route as shown by his shadow chose differently. though being chad ziodyne thundercock really does help in making people like you...
What mental illness is this?
American
Twitter brain
Tumblr leaking onto other sites after 2018
They are literally correct, Persona 4 is a straightedge Japanese conservative game, all about the cleanest straightest most sober popular guy at school letting his peers blow through their anxiety phases while he sits there with his shit together. It’s hilarious that lgbt people and communists and whoever don’t get this.
It's because communism thrives on people's anxieties, to the point that they will cultivate those anxieties in order to use those people as their disposable foot soldiers. Every last thing they complain about it blown out of all proportion and is causing misery to the people the ideology possesses.
It is a cold and calculated method, systemic mass abuse of vulnerable people.
Do we still keep the mask or we can go off? Asking for a friend.
what you just said doesn't sound like english but if they make naoto trans I will openly start opposing lgbt ideology even if it burns bridges.
Mask on, mask off my dude. Last time I checked this was a safe place for us to relax.
I appreciate how troons genuinely believe "bending the knee" means not sacrificing your body to a lifetime of pharmaceutical dependencies and surgeries.
I like how the Kanji's one is literally that.
Guy didn't want to get made fun of for sewing.
Its not even like its super deep too. He grew up in a textile shop.
It is infuriatingly not that deep. I can understand losing the message in Chie or Yukiko's arc but Kanji's is genuinely well executed.
tale as old as time
Western projection. Japan is very tolerant of homosexuality, they're more accepting of straight men having feminine interests than Western countries and women are generally treated great in Japanese society.
who gives a shit about how women are treated when most of them are JAV whores and protitutes at nigerian/yakuza run hostess bars
>women are generally treated great in Japanese society.
Fucking LOL
Okay you've convinced me otherwise
Are they tolerant of it? I hear otherwise, they still can’t get married either.
gay marriage is a seperate issues from tolerating homosexual behavior, which Japan does
they're "tolerant" in the way that they won't bash you in the street over it as some muslims countries like france do, but being homosexual is still viewed badly and isn't recognized by the law
It should be recognized by the law as a misbehavior like loitering x1000.
Bullshit, they can get married in Japan, like everybody else, to the opposite sex of the same species. They have the same freedoms as others.
Do you have proof they can get married? I thought at most they could have some sort of civil union but that still doesn’t merit the benefits a marriage does.
Anyone over the age of 12 if I recall, can get married in Japan. No one can marry a car or a tree or a horse or the same sex equally, but they can all get married to the opposite sex. Like everyone can drive a car but no one can drive a car into a crowd, that's not what the car was designed for and this no-driving-into-crowds equally applies to everyone so there is no injustice.
Do you think they're in a position to have gay marriage legal.
Be honest with me here.
Of course not captain obvious. But I figure they’re trying to fight for it just like those that did in the U.S.
I mean I assume the agenda is to ruin the country's ethnicity when time inevitably opens its borders and what happened to France and England happens in Japan.
It's a different culture so they handle societal issues differently.
In the west, homosexualiy is bad because it's a sin against god and you deserve physical punishment if you engage in homosexual acts.
In Japan, homosexuality is bad because you're not conforming to society and you're being too individualist.
If you're IQ is above 100 you should be able to understand why western and Japanese homosexuals behaved differently.
Japan got that perception towards homosexuality because of western influences.
You fuckers have said this over and over and over and then it turns out there is a fucking catch where Japanese society tries to throw the homosexuals under the carpet away from prying eyes.
It doesn't matter. Japan is very tolerant of homosexual behavior. What people like you are mostly referring to is the celebration of homosexual culture, which Japan chooses not to do.
>Japan is very tolerant of homosexuality
>Retard that watches anime and reads manga for teens exclusively thinks he knows what japan society is like
every time with your mongoloids.
>Japan hates homos because... it just does okay! A Youtuber said it!
Why are you such a reductive lying fucking idiot?
What are you even crying about? Not enough rainbow flags in Nippon?
They may be tolerant, but they don't worship them like Americans.
maybe the modern generation but the generation before who grew up just after imperial japan finally ended after WW2 sure as fuck weren't
Okama detected.
Homosexuality is vile by itself.
Women are usually shorter, weaker and dumber than men, that stereotype fits with the odds.
>dumber
At least we’ve got you working tirelessly to shift that tide.
>men are not more intelligent than women speak for yourself!
Think about it, there's some women even dumber than you just like there's women shorter than 5'2.
I almost start to agree until some barely literate retard engages me on Ganker. That always makes me question that particular statistic for some reason. Possibly also that it’s always the biggest mongoloid in the thread who can barely speak English saying it.
If you don't understand that men are on average more intelligent than women, it just tells me that you have no job or never show up to an office.
Why do you think companies are forced to hire women you think?
Why are they forced to pay them more as well? The lawmakers don't care if some men make less money than other men, why do they care about women making less then? Think about that.
Beat me to it
>NOOOOOO WHY CAN'T ALL VIDEO GAMES FEATURE MENTALLY ILL homosexualS AND TROONS WHO REPRESENT ONLY 0,1% OF WESTERN DEGENERATES
Lol, did that looney troon every think Persona 4 was about kids growing up? Growing up means you give up on the retarded shit.
Then grow up and stop whining on Ganker all day.
>society told kanji he should be gay
>kanji says fuck off and is not gay
>society told naoto she should be trans or not a cop
>naoto says fuck off and becomes a female cop
>society tells Yukiko to go to the big city and be herself(by that they mean to just stop thinking and follow her every whim)
>Yukiko thinks it over and figures out they rather stay
>nooo you can only rebel against society in a way I like
Oh look, this exact thread again. Even the post I replied to last time is here
Me!
>Persona4bros.....................did we just lose?
The last thing these people need is affirmation of their mental illnesses.
If you thought you were fucked up, wait until you realize who is calling you "chuds". These people need help, but nobody is coming.
>Pic
You don't need to "infiltrate" their spaces to know all that stuff about them. They pretty much air it out in public.
Well yeah, when places like Resetera and parts of Reddit, Twitter and SomethingAwful are their outward facing "normal" personas, you really don't need to dig any deeper to get the picture
One thing you're not allowed to notice about the trans community is just how many of them seem to gravitate towards the Grifter personality type
>Koala March tried to steal SomethingAwful from Lowtax and took donations from users to buy a personal laptop
>this year alone two posters in one of the more conHispanicuously mentally ill SA threads bought fake hate crime avatars for themselves and tried to blame it on their posting enemies
>someone on Resetera a couple months back posted a "Suicide" thread and then immediately linked to their Patreon
Nevermind what goes on on Twitter or Reddit
>he says, as he literally makes a fake argument because he has no argument
reaching levels of irony that shouldn't even be possible
>letting people exist without forcing them to conform their body to their personality and aesthetic stereotypes is LE BAD
god these people should stop existing.
It's called growing up.
he's literally right tho
how long until these retards start identifying as animals and mainstream media will back them up?
Do we need to bring up the Bear again?
The literal point of the entire story is that the things we think and feel as children might not be the things we think and feel when we grow up and become adults.
It's not "lol stfu and do what you're told".
It's children realizing they're acting ilke children and doing the adult/grown up thing, and moving on with their life into the next phase instead of trying to hold onto the dreams of a child.
And Of course because they're so obssesed with the fact that one character may or may not be gay, one character may or may not be trans, etc etc, and completely miss the point.
And whats worse is you can't even correct them because then they just start REEEing about how you're supporting trans genocide or some other such nonsense.
the fact that they say naoto even "thinks they might be trans" shows they didn't understand a thing, are illiterate, or haven't even played the game.
The entire story is about society and perception, as well as the pressure that has on developing youth, and how that can change the perception of one's self. This is the point of the midnight channel, which serves as a reflection of the gaze of society.
Society perceives naoto as incompetent because she is a woman. Because of this, she sees herself as unable to achieve her dreams unless she is a man because she won't be recognized by her peers, and dresses and acts boyish to try to meet that perception.
Society sees kanji as a fag because he has feminine hobbies. Because of this, he lashes out and acts like a delinquent to maintain a masculine appearance.
Yukiko feels pressured to maintain the family business, because of this pressure, she feels trapped (like a bird in a cage holy shit just like her shadow???) and unable to do all the things that the rest of society is going out and doing, despite her actually being happier with the family business.
Teens growing up surrounded by hundreds of other people all with their own dreams, expectations, and aspirations has an effect on their own goals and how they view themselves, and often people will try to run away from the things they are good at, or the things that make them happy, in order to better conform to or escape the social gaze.
This isn't even subtle writing. It explains this explicitly, multiple times, in the story. These are the types of niggas that get to episode 8 of umineko and still don't know who the culprit is
Persona is shit but for different reasons
You know, this is the first time I've genuinely seen an instance where the response "Seething." might very well be 100% accurate.
I guess I love Persona 4 now.
>P4 LOVES cops
I wonder if she knows who the villain in the game is.
to be fair, its not wrong
the vast majority of social links are:
>I don't wanna do thing
>wait no actually I do wanna do thing but now I'm doing it for the RIGHT reasons
its funny how many issues this resolves
oh no the post is 100% correct. i think Ganker doesn't understand p4. its just not that well written of a game and just usual jrpg slop which is fine to enjoy but niggas are writing essays coping rn and thats funny
What's there to understand about Persona 4? It's like slaying the demons hidden inside peepl and stoof
yeah it is. its basic but please write out another essay coping
>main villain of the game is literally a cop who uses his position to game the system for his own pleasure
>but the game is cop propaganda because there are officers that actually do their job and are good people
Their minimum threshold for what constitutes as "copaganda" is essentially just any non-negative depiction of law enforcement regardless of context. Like every where is supposed to be the same low-trust shithole where they live.
>operating table
That's a kaijin conversation station though. Naoto's whole dungeon has a tokusatsu theme to it, you're practically kicking in Shocker's door to save her from her own fears of society crushing her hopes and dreams.
>P4 LOVES cops
The main villain you're chasing the whole game turns out to be a cop who's using his position to cover his tracks and just became a cop so he could have a gun
Naoto's entire issue is how she wants to be a detective but think she won't be taken seriously as a woman, which is basically the game calling Japanese cops a bunch of sexists
Dojima is a good cop but then is an absentee father because of his job
And the entire police force were so ineffective that it took a group of teenagers to solve the murders
>And the entire police force were so ineffective that it took a group of teenagers to solve the murders
to be fair, the murders were supernatural
Listen, sweaty, you can't just say facts on the internet that go against the narrative.
Thank God they gave them what they wanted with 5 where they gave kids mind nuclear bombs to destroy adults and they are actual "heroes" because giving immature children an untraceable gun will surely go well
Nigga, P5 was all about how they were completely manipulated in all their palace invasions.
Yosuke and yukiko make sense.
The rest is trans delusion
Yukiko is literally the only character this seething homosexual is right about
sounds like just a bunch of retarded teenagers realizing their struggles are retarded and growing the fuck up
>completely misrepresent the points being made by the game
>get thousands of social media likes
>if anyone speaks out to you to disagree and refute your points, they will be buried in the comment chain
>chances are the original poster probably muted replies anyway or will just outright block anyone who doesn't just immediately agree with them
Social media was a mistake.
The shadows are denials taken to the extreme.
It isn't that hard to understand and yet homosexuals like this can somehow be this retarded.
Yosuke's modest contempt for being in the country becomes hate.
Yukiko's shadow was more about wanting to be loved than her stuff about the family business which again is taken to cartoonish levels.
Chie's which this dick-shit didn't even pay attention to was that she was in denial of being mad jelly of the conventionally feminine Yukiko and that was once again displayed as HATE for her.
These are not who the characters ARE, they are small aspects of the characters and the resolutions are acknowledging their feelings of contempt for their home town, desire to be loved and jealousy etc.
Some of these homosexuals are even able to understand that.
Yet when it comes to a guy's modest fear of emasculation because sewing you get a cartoonish homosexual of a shadow and think it is supposed to be taken as a serious example of his "true self".
Naoto's textbook dick-envy is a robot (again fairly cartoony) which desires mutilation (a thing that should be effortlessly recognizable as an extreme).
you mean to tell me that the JRPG bossfights are actually warped and exaggerated manifestations of the characters' worse tendencies?
what's next, saying that showing a fictional character doing a thing isn't an endorsement of that thing?
>Naoto's textbook dick-envy is a robot (again fairly cartoony) which desires mutilation (a thing that should be effortlessly recognizable as an extreme).
I thought Naoto's main thing was that she was afraid people wouldn't take her seriously, so she ran around acting like a dude. Her shadow shoved it in her face that doing that nonsense that reinforces the fact that she IS immature, mocking her by acting like a character in a kid's toku show who fixes her gender issue by turning into a cheesy-looking robot that's impossible to take seriously.
wow is almost like adolescents say/think stupid shit and then realized how wrong they were.
Please delete this picture. I really did not want to see that.
NOOOO! TEENAGERS DON'T GO THROUGH PHASES THAT TYPICALLY CONCLUDE ONCE THEY'RE READY TO GROW UP! THEY NEED TO KEEP BEING THEIR TRUE SELVES!
Only girls because they have lifelong hormonal issues. Men don't really change apart from the adjustments they have to make to yield responsibility and manage money
It is kinda funny they left out Rise for no particular reason.
because it breaks their argument instantly
Well it's not as if they bring up Yosuke, Chie, Teddie, or Adachi either.
Rise?
I don't want to be a model
Oh wait yes I actually do.
There you go anon.
Just like Yukiko then.
No, I don't want to run the family inn.
Oh wait! Yes, I actually do!
Not that anon, by the way.
Why do they hate tomboys so much
This nigga went from having a peaceful hottake to yelling at nobody but himself. the fuck is wrong with these troons?
It's cool that they ignore Teddie and the shadows of Nametame and Mitsuo because that would completely invalidate their argument.
Persona was always shit anon.
Also im glad people are realizing what a venomously shitty piece of trash Chie is. Ive never seen a single character cause so much damage to shit because of all the fucking poison she brings out.
have a nice day you fucking fag
Chie is the best thing to happen to the franchise and for tomboy-enjoyers out there
I hope you're decapitated in your sleep
Why are these people like this?
Have they ever worked or gone outside?
you know they haven't
Conforming to society IS your true self and the way to happiness and success and growing up means finding yourself within society´s rules and roles, being a weirdo only makes you miserable and depressed like all leftoids are, you are not special nobody is you are a fucking loser.
Its funny how P4 is too mature for these retards when its not even a mature game
If you unironically think Japan is going the non-miserable and non-depressed route then you might want to look into the phenomena of karoshi and hikikomori as well as what happens to guys who go through the traditional Japanese grind of high school - college - office work and where they end up mentally. It's literally so bad that you have 50 year old men who work as writers at Atlus coming up with these retarded saccharine stories about teenagers to prevent their fanbase from collectively offing themselves.
I dont give a shit about Japan, I wouldnt live ther if you paid me, we are talking about a work of fiction.
We are talking about a work of fiction made in Japan and set in Japan you actual degenerate lol
what does degeneracy has to do with anything, shut the fuck up retard
>noo you cant defend those ideas because look in this country bad things happened nooo
Yes bad things ALWAYS happen my ideas are still better than yours suck my cock you anarchist/commie bastard
Tell me more about a country youve never been to but that you know all about from westerner hit pieces please.
Yes conforming to traditionalism too much also has issues
But also Yes its still infinitely better than what the west does
Motherfucker, you are assuming the cultural value of the entire Asian world? You think you know Japan better than anybody in this thread? Get off your high horse.
>implying 80% of Japanese work culture isn't all about the appearance of working hard instead of actually getting shit done
Western countries have the same problem, too. At least when you nap in Japan during work they let you.
>It's literally so bad that you have 50 year old men who work as writers at Atlus coming up with these retarded saccharine stories about teenagers to prevent their fanbase from collectively offing themselves.
Considering how terrible western media has become, they might be onto something.
When was the last time you saw a western movie?
>all kinds of games/anime set in Japan have the protagonists hanging out on the school rooftop
>School rooftops irl are always permanently locked because students wouldn't stop offing themselves from the top of the school building
she's right though
Never played these games. Who's the cute blond girl?
Alice
Exactly. Stop being gay. Just be normal you stupid dumbass. I'll kill your shadow to fix you.
You can’t kill shadows they’re forever apart of you. You just have to accept that aspect about yourself and not let it consume you.
Its still so weird to me that this is the interpretation they're going with. You know, the ones that they would consider to be stereotypical if Atlus has, for some reason, gone through with.
"Act gay? You're gay!"
Fucking x-coded is a retarded way of telling a story. Flamboyancy is not even necessarily attached to sexuality.
why are personafags such emotional jerkoffs
>NOOOOOOO VIDEO GAME DEVS HAVE TO MAKE THEIR CHARACTERS GAY nagger homosexualS JUST LIKE ME NOOOOOOO THEY HAVE TO DO THIS OR ELSE IT'S RACIST HOMOPHOBIC REEEEEEEEE
why are naggers and homosexuals like this?
Why is the rainbow cult so powerful?
Its what happens when the medium becomes the leader in earnings in terms of entertainment. Hollywood has fallen, all hail Silicon Valley or whatever the fuck the video game equivalent is.
Who the fuck knows, though, with these fucking assholes
Companies are afraid of them because they’ve shown that they have the power to sink businesses or ruin lives.
You are fucking dumb!?!%?
Microsoft recently removed the thumbs down feature of their newsfeed because homosexual stuff got 600 dislikes vs 40 likes and it emboldened the NPCs into being free to think. Any degeneration is a choice, they actually want to push for homosexual stuff, if they truly didn't want to they could suppress it like they've thrown anti-abortion activists in jail for being within 500m of a clinic.
As soon as someone promotes sexual perversion to children, like the Games Award, we could simply throw them in jail.
Listen Hakmed, we have laws that grant us free speech here. You yourself would probably invoke those laws to defend masturbating to cartoons of children if you lived here. You can’t throw people in jail for that, parents need to be held responsible for what they allow their children to be exposed to not the goddamn government.
>As soon as someone promotes sexual perversion to children, like the Games Award
QRD?
See this?
They joined the workforce while incels stayed home as jobless losers. Now they are a growing demographic in key sectors which means that they get more voting power than others. They are completely irrelevant still in some tech sectors (like the one I work in) with no visible presence and thus no power.
>They are completely irrelevant still in some tech sectors
don't know what tech sectors you're talking about but there's plenty of fags and trannies in programming
israelites
overreacting to not being accepted and being as anti-social and excessive as possible about what should only be a small aspect of your identity purely because people reject it is not "being your true self".
It's kind of funny how these nonbinary etc folx tend to be so binarybrained.
>"man like girly thing??? he gay!"
>"woman look manly??? she trans!"
Post biceps
tranny seethe thread, huh
didn't we give you your own board for this stuff?
>He thinks giving them what they want will make them go away
where have you been the last decade Anon...?
>be true to your self!
>"what the fuck? How the fuck am I supposed to do that if I can't force everyone around me to also do the same?"
these people are sick in the head, this mindest of "my way or you're out of my life" is so fucking terrible. compromise is required as soon as another human is involved.
>compromise is required as soon as another human is involved.
talk about personally attacked, looks like that anon hit the nail in the head kek
Japan can be a bit backwards at times
Yeah making people be responsible members of society is so backwards its so much better to be extreme individualists and never care about anyone unless they are part of my pronoun cult Im sure that can sustain a civilization for long and wont have a pendulum swift effect that will kill thousands if not millions oh yeah progress here we go babyyy
that's almost every piece of Japanese media, it always reverts to the conformist bug mentality no matter how rebellious or individualistic it pretends to be
>Naoto finds that she can be herself while being in a male-oriented work
>Chie finally grows up out of her jealousy towards her best friend
>Kanji can stop being fragile and overcompensate
>Yosuke stopped being a man-child
>Rise managed to take the reins on her job, finding a healthy balance in her carreer
>Yukiko realizes that her family work doesn't tie her into a place, she can be free while still being the owner of an Inn
>Teddie can actually accept himself as a shadow turned into a human
>All of that is bad
Man and some trans people wonder why they're taken as an absolute joke
Naoto keep working as a detective, a male-oriented work, that's farther from conforming with the norm, Chie is still a tomboy who had to be hired by Akihiko to join the police force, Rise managed to have normal life despite how insane being an Idol is in Japan, Kanji is still a man with girly interest, he's now more professional looking, tell me anon, did you really played Persona?
I like how in this photo, fags like this say they're all just conforming and hiding their true selves, but that isn't entirely the case.
Like, look at them. They've matured but they clearly haven't thrown away their personalities. Kanji still has a "rough around the edges" vibe despite having stopped bleaching his hair. But he's probably going to be more respected that way even if he goes into a textile/fashion related job where he can flex his skills.
Yukiko was always quite conservative in her dress, but now she's looking quietly confident and mature.
Naoto isn't hugely feminine but she's actually smiling. She hid herself away before, when she pretended to be a boy.
P4 tells troons that they are wrong and its just a phase at best or extremely ostracising antinature behaviour at worst
So they seethe my god they seethe, and they will seethe for many more decades, because deep down they know its true
Kek, it reminds them of their father that also called it a dumb phase.
P4 doesn’t talk about them whatsoever. Naoto poses as a man because she thinks it’ll get her respect, not because she wants to be one.
The thing that absolutely sucks is that we all know in our fucking hearts that Persona 4 Remake is very clearly happening and they will "correct the writing" so the potential chance of them adopting the story and characters to satisfy Twitter is, unfortunately, up in the fucking air. Especially without Hashino at the lead to more or less enforce that their vision is more important than the fucking audience' desire from these games.
But Atlus seems to have so far avoided trying to make their games feel globalized so I could be wrong. We just have to wait and see with Persona 3's remake.
Persona 4 remake might be happening, but by that point I will be able to play it untranslated since atlus only troons their games out in the west and doubles down on mockery in the east.
>Persona 4 remake
I think Atlus should’ve saved themselves the trouble of doing P3 reload and put both FES and Portable on modern platforms. While I wouldn’t completely doubt they would do a P4 remake it still feels unnecessary compared to the many other games in their catalog that would deserve it. I mean even P3 Reload isn’t even making it a definitive version so to speak. You’d think they’d integrate all of content from previous releases into one package, but no.
I agree that remakes of these games are worthless but atlus is retarded and this is the world we live in.
Anon, its not about the fact it has to happen, its the fact that the industry is rewarding it. Resident Evil 4 was the last game that needed a remake, and while yeah, I think the remake is pretty alright, the fact remains, it did not need to happen.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Persona 3 Remake sells well, all that tells Atlus is the green light for P4 is a go go.
I suppose but I just wonder why not give that treatment to something else? Even if we’re just focusing on the Persona franchise why not remake 1 and the 2 duology? I know fans would be hesitant about the changes it would make. But at least it could put a spotlight back on it’s predecessors.
I don't know to be honest. I guess they just saw everybody scream about how hard it is to play Persona 3 and thought it was free money? But I think it would be retarded for them to be following what Twitter is saying so I can't give you a clean and intelligent answer on why they're doing this than something like P1 or the P2 duology. You're right, it would be more exciting, but I don't know, man.
Fair enough, I’d be more inclined to get Reload had it included everything from FES and Portable with any necessary modifications. But it’s still just the base story from what I understand. Sure there’s new combat mechanics but for me that’s not worth the $70 alone.
>You’d think they’d integrate all of content from previous releases into one package, but no.
Nobody fucking liked The Answer or FeMC dipshit.
Anybody who claims to like either is a revisionist homosexual or a troon on Reddit/Twitter
it's insanely hilarious to have japs write about your true self or whatever when they are the number 1 "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" (literally a japanese proverb) nation in the world
It's because they are from that culture that they write about that problem. People write about societal issues in their society, why would you write about a societal issues you don't have to deal with?
I can't stand this idea that you have to be "normal" as in no ambitions or unique personality traits to live your life in japan
>The nail that sticks out gets hammered down
That's actually true sometimes but it doesn't mean you shouldn't try
It's almost as if videogames are meant to be a mean of escapism or something
People don't write stories that just perfectly conform to societal values.
If the writer held those values they'd be an office worker or something, not a writer.
thanks for reminding me I should buy P4 already
I don't give a fuck what twittertrannies have to say. I'm just here to tell you that epilogue Chie is by far best girl and I want to get her pregnant.
Based, but for me, it's Naoto.
Also a respectable choice
>only if your true self isn't trans
Your true self cannot be trans by definition, because transgenderism is a delusion as to what your true self is
Why do people keep making this exact same thread with some literal who twitter post?
Because they want to be upset and rant about something.
Because it's rage bait and it keeps working as evidenced by this thread
rage bait >>>>>>> genuine discussion
just find the dumbest fucking mentally ill leftist troon post with 2 likes and get guaranteed replies
Men and women aren't equal and men prefer debt free virgins without tattoos.
>Leftists: Naoto should have been trans
>""""Right-wingers""""" on Ganker: No, women should be allowed to become cops
Both groups are wrong
Naoto is a private investigator, shes carrying on a family business as an only child orphan. she'll turn into a housewife and give birth to new detectives.
Unironically Women should not be cops but anime women cops are fine.
Does Persona have the most consistently garbage threads of any game on Ganker?
Maruki threads are alright.
I don't think it's even slightly possible to have a decent thread about Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom. Smash Bros threads are also trying really hard to set new records for lowest IQ posts.
reminder that Chie has the biggest shits and farts a lot because she eats more than the other girls
To be fair it is fucked up that Yosuke and Teddie still call Kanji a homosexual for the whole game even after he accepts his feminine hobby
I feel like that's genuinely good characterization. The idea of correcting themselves over night is retarded and the fact remains that Yosuke is a dick for this, true, but this is what makes him memorable.
I mean sure, but that's kind of fucked up to have the group pretend they're friend when he makes fun of him the whole game for the very insecurity he got a shadow over
it's just banter
Would be banter if kanji actually had a retort, he should have made fun of yosuke for simping for a below average dead girl that hated him, as is kanji's just a victim
Yeah, I wish Kanji was at least given a chance to callout Yosuke on his hypocrisy. I know Kanji isn’t the smartest in the group but from what I remember he got the most flack especially in the spin offs.
To also be fair, that's how most teens act anyway. Talking shit is one of the most realistic aspects of the cast, if anything.
That's fine since Yosuke is massively projecting and has a twink living in his closet
Be true to yourself is such a boring platitude, what do you do when your true self is a dread human being that everybody hates?
because the "be your true self" is taken on its own and not in context of creating and developing relationships as shown in the game
>Game is trying to tell you a message
>Game is just trying to tell it's own story
Just pick one, you fucking imbeciles.
damn maybe I should check Persona out
I'm glad P3 ended up my favorite.
At worse we have FemMC to argue about.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson OP!
Your true self isn't whatever the fuck you want to be without any regard for other's opinions or needs. Your true self is the best version of you that fits in and compliments the people around you. The entire notion of the persona is that the self is made up of your inner self along with the version of you that others perceive. The idea is not self-acceptance, but working on finding a way to make your selfish ways work in tandem with others.
Those high in narcissistic traits (usually trannies, gays, "creative" types) will never understand this, they're too self centered and expect the world to mold to them.
>BASED PERSONA FOR TEACHING KIDS TO GROW UP AND BE MATURE!
>*Proceeds to do nothing but masturbate to hentai and stay unemployed"
>*Doesn't even breed"
>YEP, I'M TOTALLY GROW UP AND MATURE AND I'D TOTALLY FIT IN NIPPON GLORIOUS SOCIETY
>Persona 4 be like "Be your true self! But only if your true self isn't gay, isn't trans, isn't too much of a tomboy, doesn't dress weird, inherits the family business and generally abides by cultural norms. You can like sewing but your friend will still call you a slur."
Some creatures simply should not be allowed to exist.
I love how belligerent he is, like, what are gonna do about it buddy? Disgust us with your axe wound?
oh no the poor retard who was easily manipulated by an agenda is crying again
join the 42% tranny
twitter crap isn't videogames
P3 Chads always win.
Based. P3 is the only good one.
That's a really femmy Shinji. I'd fuck him.
That's very non christian.
Exquisite taste anon.
that's right, no one likes that shit. hang out with your own people.
The bigger problem than accepting mental illness that is trannyism is be yourself as long as you are attractive enough to have friends. People who play this game for the social life simulator aspect don't have friends cause they are too ugly and were always relegated to be loser outcasts in school.
>Too ugly.
No, friend. Too spergy or repugnant in that regard. Genuinely, if you're looking for platonic friendship: what kind of homosexuals are you hanging around that give a shit what you look like if you're a good bro? I was a fat, ugly ass little kid up until late in high school, and I had friends, even if they were just equally outcast dudes who I could play D&D with.
>what kind of homosexuals are you hanging around that give a shit what you look like if you're a good bro?
It is a feedback loop that starts early. Kids that are 8 years old are too dumb to understand this so they act naturally and it is natural for attractive kids to get to the top and fat odd ones to be on the bottom. And by the time you get to the age where you say sperginness and being repugnant matters you already got that from being an outcast early on in your life. Also not everyone will find enough outcast dudes to band together. I didn't.
that's right trannies
And that's a GOOD thing!
>your true self is a thrall to big pharma
capitalism is shaking
And then they regret it in a month and run to the internet to complain and beg others to not make the same mistake.
>game tells you to be a normal member of a functioning society
>trannies get mad
>Still call you a slur
Why do these people act like being called a slur is one of the worst things that can happen to you? Who the fuck cares? Call them a fag back and move on.
Nobody likes being treated as less than anyone else.
Everyone get's called names at one point or another. If you let it affect you that badly then you're doing yourself a diservice by making yourself into a thin skinned pussy.
That’s true. But I doubt it’s easy as that for those that face that ridicule everywhere in their lives with no support, not even their family. It’s sure to cause some amount of mental and emotional trauma. Even beyond that enabling such behavior could go further from name calling to actual physical harm.
The behaviour shouldn't be encouraged no. But at the same time we can't coddle everyone. There definitely have been a massive surge of the amount of thin skinned people. Treating name calling as if an actual crime had been committed on them.
>Treating name calling as if an actual crime had been committed on them.
historically most cultures treated it as such, men often foughts duels and killed each other over a little name calling
Those cultures were thin-skinned homosexuals
They were honor cultures where men were willing to fight and put their lives on the line. Insulting others and not expecting consequences is feminine behavior.
Men should be stoic and in control of their emotion, going into a seething rage because someone called you a name is feminine behavior.
Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low and if you did, it was a horrible life full of constant pain and suffering.
Men were willing to die over little things because it was actually the better option than living long and at least you'd be remembered as an honorable man and not a frail coward.
>Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low
When will this meme fucking die
The average life span from 2000BC-1920 was 38 years old. Granted the extreme childhood mortality rates skew it, if you made it past 10, you'd probably live into your 40s, but you wouldn't really want to. The people who lived into their 60s and 70s were as decrepit as 90-100 year olds are today.
>Your chances of living past the age of 40 before the 20th century was very low
No it wasn't. I've researched my family tree and 90% of them lived past 60.
Based
And there's a reason a lot of those practises faded out, at least in the west. If people began killing each other over name calling we'd be fucked.
>And there's a reason a lot of those practises faded out,
Mostly a result of western society becoming more feminine and soft
Murdering someone because they called you gay, yeah really manly and honourable behaviour.
it's a lot more manly than complaining to the HR department like a modern man would
I wish dueling was still a thing.
The world would be a much more peaceful place if honorable fights like that still took place. Instead, people just rage and explode and kill tens of innocents instead of dueling the person they're actually mad at.
>If people began killing each other over name calling we'd be fucked.
But blacks do it all the time still!?!?
But some of them deserve it, like the amount of drag show crossdressers who are chomos.
I don't know why the LBGTWTFBBQs have chosen to defend them
>We are coming for your children
Why can't you dress up in women's clothes in the privacy of your own bedroom? Why does little Timmy have to see you?
I think it’s about the expression of individuality. Is the sudden connection to children strange? Yes, but I know a lot of reasonable people who don’t see an issue with it if the parents want to expose their kids to alternative lifestyles. It is actually a pretty nuanced issue ripe for actual discussion but that will never happen because it’s just been a wildly successful shitlib psyop against the chuds.
>I think it’s about the expression of individuality.
More like free access to the holes of children.
>reasonable
It's unreasonable because the actual reason is unspeakable unless you are at a Satanic convention.
Because it is for them, they never had any problems in their lives so the smallest negative feedback destroys them
Yes. It's called growing up, something those people refuse to do.
How fucked will the P2 remake be
The west doesn't care about P1 or P2.
I hate that I was going to say that Atlus doesn't give a shit about the west and then realized that is a straight up fucking lie.
I hate it. I hate it so much. We really are getting away from making what you want.
The P2 duology with P5 gameplay and graphics would be ludo
That would be awesome. I just wonder if Atlus would go out of their way to include social life mechanics? I’m not too favorable about that but I doubt it would be possible anyways. Due to the structure of the game and story. There wouldn’t be any time for that.
That is great news.
to be fair, I don't thank anyone cares about P1, including Japan
>Implying there'll be a P2 remake
So fucked, because it will never exist.
Okay, but which girl in the P4 cast gives the best blowjob? My money is on Yukiko
Chie or Rise maybe some out of left field secondary social link like Ai
it's absolutely Rise, she'd be wayy too enthusiastic.
Yukiko would rim you, Rise would rim and finger your ass. Naoto would be shy at first but get better. Chie would be just average.
Xhe's right, you know?
I really hope persona 6 never comes out
>90s: Homosexuals in Japanese media have to be censored out in the western release
>2020s: Straight characters in Japanese media are not gay enough for western fans
I mean if Persona 2: Innocent Sin came out in the west during the 90s without any censorship. We may not have this discussion now would we?
I like Japan because their mere existence disproves a lot of political arguments both the western left and western right like to use.
Innocent Sin didn't come out in the west until the PSP remake retard
Exactly. Which is why is posed the question had it come out and if it were uncensored to boot. Would this discourse ever occur?
>Sewing is for le women and le fag
Say that to my face retard
We need men sewers, they are probably better at it then women, they can take sewing to the next level just like they did with cooking.
Is saying do what I say or I'll kill myself really that effective of a bargaining chip that we have fallen this far so quickly
>too much of a tomboy
But that's impossible
You let these people in.
It's your fault.
Holy shit Chie has booba! Bigger than naoto now
Childhood is thinking Chie was best girl
Adulthood is realizing Yukiko is best girl
>it's a "Ganker replies to the same retarded twitter screencap from years ago" episode
Why is two men consenting to a duel considered bad but two men consenting to butt sex considered good?
Both are good
Both are violence, the former can be necessary at times but the later is never, under any circumstance, something useful or necessary or reasonable.
Duels are just nigga moments for non-blacks. I'm not even defending homo buttsex here.
sometimes the best solution to a personal dispute is to just let them kill each other, if both parties agree with it there is no reason to stop them
Like just walk away nigga, stop taking it so seriously. It's only "alright" from a eugenics standpoint where you're getting rid of men too dumb to do that.
eugenically men who refuse to fight for their convictions don't breed much and their societies become autistic and extinct, kinda like what's happening to Japan currently
Eugenically countries obsessed with macho man bullshit are corrupt shitholes that get btfo by modern militaries whenever they go to war. Like Russia and all the middle east countries.
at least they breed
If you're so obsessed with breeding, how many kids you got? Don't give any excuses about where you live cause the fringe Mormons and Amish have no problem having kids. Also why don't you move to Afghanistan or the like? Could it be you really rather have few or no kids and live in a modern society than have 7 kids while living in a shithole?
oh look, the redditor is rattled and ranting
You're too afraid to answer the question cause it would make you a genetic failure by your own standard.
Funny that the populations of countries with those modern militaries are starting to look a lot like those ‘corrupt shitholes’. Die whiteoid.
I'm not white. My ethnicity is in no danger of dying out.
If the host country become brown, either the browns adopt the modern system and the country stays relatively strong, or they don't adopt the system and the host country becomes a corrupt shithole and weakens. Either way it shows the backward values to be the weaker system.
Whatever convert to Islam or die
>America giving up beer and pork
It won’t be a choice. You like talking about eugenics, those that won’t will not be around to have children.
It will be a choice cause muzzies are shit at fighting. A million 0's is still a 0.
And who will stop them when the native European stock are breed out? The Chinese, pajeets, South Americans? Those people lack the spirit.
Stop what lmao? The muzzies love to infight. Middle East isn't a shithole cause mutts and israelites bombed it, it was like that because the governments are corrupt organization that fight against every neighboring government. Middle East will be an eternal disorganized shithole.
Your country is now the middle east
Uh huh, they'll surely get the other minorities to cooperate. The chinks put muslims in concentration camps. The pajeets point their nukes at pakistan. The central and south americans have no affinity to Islam whatsoever. The blacks, by and large, don't even closely adhere to whatever religion they say they adopt. Keep dreaming Achmed.
Cope, the post. You're a coward and will convert to Islam instead of fighting when the time comes for you. Your punishment is living to see my world.
>2 more weeks until we destroy Israel unlike the last 3 times when we got completely btfo with a 10 to 1 numerical and material advantage
You can't even get rid of a few israelites living in your backyard.
Your words will turn to sand in your mouth
You will keep suffering in a medieval society until the oil runs out and it becomes much, much worse.
You will be brown
>AAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU WILL BE A TRANSnagger
Stats don't lie
>implying fighting for freedom and sovereignty is in any way similar to fighting because someone called you an idiot
Yes a complete coward won't fight for his convictions, but someone who fights for anything will quickly get themselves killed.
>eugenically men who refuse to fight for their convictions don't breed much
Tell that to the pacifistic proto-hippies and sexually liberated women that all took positions in society left by men who died in WWII.
If you get assaulted you need to know how to defend yourself and that might include violence, like using a firearm, on the other hand, learning homosexual behavior is never useful, there is zero situation where that sort of violence is necessary.
>the problem isn't that Kanji isn't gay
>the problem is that Naoto isn't trans, you fucking racist incel bigots
>be your true self
>naoto realizes that she doesnt have to pretend to be a man
>lives on to be a girl because she was born a girl
i dont see the problem here.
I hope Hiro/mods start limiting twitter repost threads to passu users.
Is this Hispanic infested board incapable of making original threads anymore?
>Be your true self! But only if it isn't trans.
I mean yes? That's correct? How are you becoming your true self by signing up for expensive pharma subscriptions and getting a self mutilating surgery?
>MY VIDEO GAMES SHOULD ENCOURAGE CHEMICALLY STERILIZING CHILDREN
its insane how we have to put up with woke garbage without complaining, but if a character is straight, then the alphabet police lose their mind
We have to stop pretending Twitter has any influence on anything but for some reason EVERYBODY DOES.
If they don't have any influence then there wouldn't be so many woke games, movies, and tv shows.
The leftists have a point and you're refusing to see because in this case it's about homosexuality and trannyism.
But it is the truth that a big part of Persona 4's message is how you should be true to yourself but it just so happens that being true to themselves all happen to fit within what society and the other characters expect of them. If the discussion wasn't about homosexuality I think you'd be able to see it. Like Yukiko's whole issue is about how she doesn't want to inherit the family inn, and the game is all "You need to be true to yourself, be who you really are, don't be forced to do what society expects of you, you're an individual with free will!" and then she just accepts to inherit the inn.
Like what if Kanji's issue wasn't about sewing and being feminine or gay, but instead about liking rebellious fashion so much that he likes to sew and wants to create a gyaruo fashion brand but his family is against it and want him to join the family business so he represses it. If that was Kanji's arc and it was resolved with Kanji deciding "No, I'm really passionate about this, I'm so passionate about this that I've learned all the ins and outs of gyaruo and I think I have what it takes to create a successful business around this. My family might disagree, but they'll come around if I make a successful business", it would be on theme. But if he just went "No, that fashion is for rebelling teenagers, I need to do what my family wants" then it would defeat the point of the message. It's a problem of the writer wanting to talk about a message for good boy points but then just writing an easy solution for the problem so they don't have to actually deal with the consequences that could happen for the character choosing the harder choice.
It's like in Xenoblade 1 when Shulk says "No, I can't kill him, he's a Homs!" but then the villain dies to a pillar falling on him anyway.
>Xitter screencap bait thread
Fags all of you
this is why Persona 3 will always be the goat, no controversy and too hard for normies to even play
This is the person saying that btw
Pauly Shore?
>"Naoto is trans and Kanji is gay buuuuuuddy"
>trannies get triggered when fictional teenagers are shown to grow out of stupid childish delusions, pull up their socks and make something out of their lives
really makes you think
Anyone else hates trannies?
"Muh True Self™!" cries out the trans vtuber in an unconvincing falsetto, unable to comprehend the uncomplicated themes of a vidya for Japanese teenagers.
I forgot how much Yuckiko hits the wall Holy shit
They made Junpei black
This troon fell for the male privilege lie that feminists push and trooned out and now they're a FTM manlet playing life on hard mode
The death drive will hit them soon
>I can see how men might convince themselves that their feelings of emotional desperation is personal weakness as opposed to a symptom they're all experiencing from White Imperialism.
>White Imperialism.
Dude she was set up with all the facts necessary and came to the entirely wrong conclusion
Its like she came out to 2+2=42069
why are people so upset about cops all the time? just drive correctly and you will never get pulled over in your life.
Cops locked the majority of the world in their own home for 2 years and they did it for a mediocre paycheck.
Which of the P4 girls likes BWC the most?
all bred by teddy's bwc
God I love being a p4chad, buying a Vita was worth it just for P4G and making Troons seethe eternally
Still play it on Vita despite owning it on PC
Unironically just looks like shit on a different screen same with the PS2 version if not played on a nice fuzzy CRT
>bodily alteration
Huh?
Nice, I will play it
Only recently played 4 Golden. After playing it and finally "getting" it all these years later, I can say it was pretty clear Naoto wasn't meant to be trans and Kanji isn't meant to be gay. That's part of the midnight channel's Shadow of you being an amalgamation of many things, including others' perception of you. People saw Naoto as a boy, so her Shadow teases the idea while mocking her feminity making her weak. Kanji likes knitting and feminine hobbies, which is why he's grappling with his image in the first place, and it doesn't help Yosuke (whose deleted content hints that he's gay or bi in the first place) calls him a fag every chance he gets as a means of deflection. The game spells all this shit out (outside the deleted content bit) and I'm confused if anyone actually bothered to finish the game.
Game is bad because characters have an ideal of fulfilling general civic and personal/familial responsibilities and duties instead of just living a life entirely predicated on your lusts and desires
If Kanji's true self is being gay, and Naoto's true self is being trans, then what is Rise's true self?
Whore.
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>hahahaha how is workplace misogyny real nigga like just transition nigga just take some testesterone
All Persona games have a gay character: You, the player
>your true self is the front you put up to compensate for your insecurities
Troon logic
I thought persona was cool kid simulator for us losers.
When zoomers say slur they mean the word homosexual, right? Is slur just shorthand for homosexual or does it encompass other ones too (nagger, israelite, etc.)?
Slur
: an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo
You don't want to go down that rabbit hole
Moving on could be considered an 'ablist' idiom why are they like this.
I see even though P4 isn't deep at all that people don't understand it still...
I don't recall a "slur" ever used in P4 what the fuck is this guy on about?
Probably something as benign as "sissy" or whatever.
Don't forget queer.
Is queer a slur when it's in their alphabet? The fuck?
Well it used to be a slur. But it's been reclaimed and is used as more so a blanket term nowadays. I just said that because it was used in that context in P4 by Kanji's shadow.
>They game is lying!!
>Naoto stops pretending to be a man and accepts her womanhood
>Kanji stops bleaching his hair and dressing like a punk to scare people away, stops caring about what other people think
We all know twittertrannies only care about these 2 specifically for obvious reasons, so i wont list what the others do
yfw zoomers don't have actual friends.
>People have a problem with P4
>When the Phantom Thieves are arguably the worst bunch
How many people that PTs mind break?
gentle persuasion isn't mind breaking
I wouldn't exactly say what the Phantom Thieves do is gentle persuasion. They beat up the shadow into submission essentially.
better than beating them up irl
I see nothing wrong with this, I'm glad they all fixed their flaws
They really did become who they were. Undiluted by lies and deception.
Where the does Naoto trans shit come from? At no point in the game does she want to be a biological man, she just wants the status and respect of one.
>GIRL DRESS LIKE BOY
>GIRL EMBODIES MY OWN MENTAL ILLNESS
>THIS MEANS I'M NOT MENTALLY ILL, I'M AN ANIME CHARACTER
>NOOOOOO STOP TELLING ME THAT MY PREMISE IS FLAWED I CANNOT HANDLE IT
simple as
From trannys minds
Genders stereotypes are reinforced in the west where you possess some attributes that belong to the opposite sex it means you want to be them (a tranny).
A very western misinterpretation of a Japanese crossdressing trope.
She crossdresses to pass as a man, clearly resents her sex, and her twisted delusion is to mutilate herself into being a man. The game is going for internalized misogyny leading to her contorting and destroying herself to conform to a stereotypical masculine ideal that isn't truly her either, the acceptance is she doesn't need to be that. Trannies obviously read it as gender dysphoria and she's not at odds with believing society would prefer she was a man but rather SHE prefers she'd be a man.
One mention of the OP pic being a WESTERN vtuber that's like one of the definitions for mental retardation, Eastern Vtubers are just psychos.
Wwhy does P4 have two tomboy party members that are insecure about their femininity? They're basically the same character except one is a retard obsessed with steak
>message is accept yourself
>idiot rejects message, rejects self and becomes retarded tranny eyesore monstruosity, a disfigured shadow of his actual being, because he can't accept that he was born a male
Retarded clowns proving japs right every time they open their stupid mouths lmao.
For the dickless discorders raiding here, know a noose is the only way out 😉
>I killed myself when I was a child.
Poor soul.
Nobody's true self is "trans". Way to miss the point, retard. All trannies are just victims who conform to societal expectations instead of being true to themselves. Being a man with long hair takes courage. A man calling himself a woman because of his long hair is the greatest act of cowardice and betrayal imaginable.
>Being a man with long hair takes courage. A man calling himself a woman because of his long hair is the greatest act of cowardice and betrayal imaginable.
You're delusional if you think trannies are more accepted than long-haired men.
They're not, but they think they will be. So they're taking the perceived easy path, and when it ends up being harder they blame everybody but themselves and cling to their fake identity. All the while they make life harder for honest men with long hair by reinforcing the social pressure that made them fearful in the first place and creating new tranny stereotypes that people will now push onto men with long hair. It's abusive. All trannies are abusers and predators.
>They're not, but they think they will be.
No they don't, they literally live life as a long-haired man before transitioning (they call it "boymode"), they do this because they KNOW it's easier to just be a man. Stop being retarded, there are plenty of other reasons to disagree with trannies beside this.
Yes, they do. I've argued with literally hundreds of trannies and managed to help a few detransition, and it always comes down to "I want society to accept me as a woman because it wasn't accepting me as a feminine man". You have no idea what you're talking about. They buy into the erroneous belief that a person can just "identify" as something else to get the social esteem that they want to have, and then mutilate their bodies and burn all of their relationships chasing that impossibility while their discord groomers egg them on.
>They're not, but they think they will be.
Based on the high acceptance of trans people?
Based on the echo chamber they live in filled with encouraging groomers who tell them sweet lies to get them to do whatever their fetishistic cult says. These people are not keen on reality, if they were they wouldn't be dumb enough to become trannies to begin with.
So they tell them that women are the most privileged and protected class. That's something I see in left wing circles and not right wing PUA incel Fresh & Fit spaces.
based on the 24/7 propaganda that tells them the world has to accept trannies, or else.
Because legislation clearly favors them.
trannies aren't genuinely accepted, but they have the security of government enforced "acceptance".
Until a legilation that reads "You can shoot trannies on sight" is passed they are protected.
Government and media shills and protects them and we even had the president honor them. They're basically high class nobles in America.
>Being a man with long hair takes courage.
Yeah those man buns. I respect that.
>your friends can still call you a slur
Friends don't do that all the fucking time? We use my group of friends do that always and we never got into a fight for it
I HATE THE FEDERAL RESERVE SO MUCH IT'S UNREAL
People like this see what they want to see. They're incapable of understanding anything they don't agree with. Nothing but "muh racism" and "muh transphobia" everywhere they look.
The reality is these characters understood themselves better than some homosexual in a dress projecting their opinions onto them.
The issue is that people try to read inbetween the lines of what is an otherwise extremely blunt game franchise.
If the conclusion was "Kanji is actually just bi/gay"; "Naoto is actually trans"; "Yukiko should not take over the inn"; "Rise should get away from stardom", the game would blatantly tell you, in the most autistically blunt way possible, because that's what they do with every single other aspect of the game.
Persona isn't particularly smart, it knows its audience, that being fucking weebs. And just like every other MAINSTREAM (because there are exceptions ofcourse) piece of anime/manga, Persona is very straight foward with what it wants to say at all times.
The worst mistake Persona fans ever made was thinking their games were particularly smart/insightful, because now they think they have to secondguess every single aspect of the story.
Yeah that's how societies function.