Damn...

Damn...

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >My morals are superior because I can beat you in a fight
    - Every JRPG ever. Why can't we have one, JUST ONE, JRPG where you can defeat the boss with sound reasoning and logical argument like Saren in Mass Effect 1. Persona 5 would have been perfect for it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the antagonists reasoning is just plain stupid or evil and when it isn't it's crap like the antagonist is immortal and will suffer forever unless everyone else dies or suffers forever.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        but multiple P5 antagonists are in the right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the purpose of the game is the gameplay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The gameplay sucks

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok Fortfag

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My morals are superior because I can beat you in a fight
      Explain how this is wrong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *beats you in a fight* its wrong

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >proves me right

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > trudeau is actually a lesbian anime girl

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Might makes right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My morals are superior because I can beat you in a fight
      Yes thats how the world works

      Cuckservatives have this believe that “truth” and “good” always wins. The reality is that “truth” and “good” is defined by the victor

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Persona 5 would have been perfect for it.

      Persona 5 would have been perfect if it has not absolute garbage writing, yes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Persona 5 would have been perfect for it
      If you had no idea what P5 was actually about, then sure
      The idea that any of these characters would've tried to solve anything with debate is absolutely laughable, and the fact that Akira actually tried to justify himself to children in Strikers makes that game just as laughable

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because then they wouldn't be the boss, they'd be a mook or even an ally character to be recruited. The antagonist is someone who is so sure of their own reasoning that they're willing to antagonize the player in pursuit of seeing it through to the end. Considering the scale most of these JRPGs go to, it would have been bad writing to do anything else. Someone unsure enough of their convictions to be talked down from their goal wouldn't have gotten as far as typical JRPG villains tend to do. Shido wouldn't have gotten as far as he had if he could have simply been talked down from his stance.

      You miss two things about Saren. One, he wasn't the true antagonist of the game. Sovereign was. He was pulling Saren's strings the entire time. Saren was essentially following orders, rather than actively pursuing an ideal. Sure, he was motivated by something perfectly understandable, but he was not even the star of his own story. Two, Saren had every reason to have his doubts in his role. He had been close to Sovereign the whole game, seen first hand how he operated, what kind of effect he had on the mind, and even felt those effects himself. It was really easy to plant the seed of doubt into his mind, because he knew already that he was likely being manipulated to begin with. Most JRPG villains don't have that kind of position, and the few that do... Well, they often end up just like Saren. Which is to say, even if they could be talked down from their position, the actual antagonist would just mindjack them and then you fight them anyways.

      Ultimately it comes down to the moral many of these stories try to convey. Which is that, sometimes, not everything can be settled with words. There will be people who won't stop no matter how much you try to reason with them, and there will be people who try to stop those people no matter how much they're reasoned with. It's a universal truth.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      USA wouldn't be "the morally right" world police without its military might
      violence, or even the threat of violence is absolute.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because might makes right is literally how the world must work unless you believe in a higher power, which most Japs and a growing number of westoids don't. Even then, technically that still is might makes right.

      P5 only attracts midwits though, so it's not like the game really goes in depth to actually understanding the implications of brainwashing "bad" people to "fix" them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bump

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But they do in this game, strikers has good writing. They say they don't have the moral high ground and don't know what justice is.

      They made another Aigis? Again?

      Aegis wishes she was Sophie

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      P5's writing is just too dumb and the MC too self insert-y and shallow for this to work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If east is west then west is east

      (Speech 100)

      >Woah that's deep I guess we'll leave the wasteland alone

      Bakana... So this is the chikara... Of western RPG writint

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My morals are superior because I can beat you in a fight

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed this game more than Royal's new shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      which game

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    P5 cast is overall completely irresponsible and clueless about what they're doing. The fact that their childish shenanigans somehow ended up defeating God and saving the world is just retarded jap writing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      honestly P5 probably has the most unlikable party in the series

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just because they don't suck your tiny dick as hard as P4 doesn't mean they are unlikable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't like the 4 party either

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          they don't?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          P5 cast sucks Joker dick x10 mores than Yu.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not when characters like Rise exists

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              In Rise's defense the game is just nudging you towards a particular love interest if you haven't been pursuing one. There's nothing wrong with somebody having a crush on the hero, is there?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There's nothing wrong with somebody having a crush on the hero, is there?
                It is when it's incongruous with the player's own decisions. You start the game at bottom tier charm levels, but even if you don't level it a bit and pick all the retard options you still have the school considering you a chad and Rise wanting to hop on your dick all game long with forced mandatory cutscenes if you take the true ending path. Or if you have already started dating someone, there's no option to tell her to just be friends, so again you get those same forced mandatory cutscenes with her when you just want to spend more time with your own girl.

                This is the worst part of Persona's system, and this applies to P3 and P5 as well. They want you to self-insert and make your own choices but don't actually bother putting in the effort to make the writing, even the most minor details, actually reflect your decisions. Stuff like Rise would make sense if the protag was an actual character like Ringo or Arena Yu, but you're not so it falls apart.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I will admit I always hated how your social link progress was never acknowledged in the story. You have a point.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Almost everyone shits on Joker before they join, and Makoto steals the main character spot after she joins. The only character who sucks Joker as much as the P4 cast sucked Yu was Haru, and that's because she had no personality so that was the only way to make the players care about her.
            The only time P5 gets to P4 levels of dicksucking is at the very end of P5S when everyone gets their "yeah go kick the final bosses ass Joker!" lines, and that's the very end of a spinoff sequel.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why do people always believe its lmao THE god?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        a lot of people on Ganker are legitimately too stupid for a game written for japanese teenagers.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Yeschadface.jpg
    now fuck off, Downey.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The absolute midwit filter. Anyone who actually did play the games would know it is different, Tony Stark is distorting people's hearts, literally creating smaller versions of the demiurge's prison to trap them. The Phantom Thieves remove the distortion from people's hearts returning them to how they should be.

    Even in the original game the PT are not confident about their methods and while they are removing the distortion in people's hearts they just go back to the same prison where their hearts were distorted in the first place. The reason the PT are able to defeat the demiurge, Yaldabaoth, is because of social links the true power to change people's hearts.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >returning them to how they should be
      The first thing they did nearly drove someone to suicide because they escalated his guilt about inappropriately touching a girl.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Every main villain in P5 became a lobotomized depressed blob after the phantom thieves touched them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is more because they were particularly distorted individuals. Sae and Futaba and all the sidequest individuals just went back to normal. Shido and the other villains were too far gone.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They never mindfucked Sae

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They social linked her instead

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              There no s-links in P5.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Confidants are literally Social Links.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, they function the same, but you never get as close to the characters as you did with social links, or literally repair their lives like some of P3 and P4 s-links, the most you get is the characters realizing you're criminals and are like "You're cool, so I won't rat you out"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you're just flat out wrong. Don't know what to tell you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you're just flat out wrong. Don't know what to tell you.

                You need to fight to see who's right

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It could be that the game has shit writing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        All of the main villains deserve it. Mementos targets...

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Mementos Targets don't break down because they only have a minor distortion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're still being brainwashed.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're being unbrainwashed

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're depressed blobs because they were assholes ridden with guilt after being forced to face what they did. Futaba wasn't a depressed blob afterwards because she had nothing to feel guilty about.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck off, Joker. You're not better than me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Tony Stark is distorting people's hearts, literally creating smaller versions of the demiurge's prison to trap them.
      To be fair, he probably thought he was in charge when he was almost as much of a victim/prisoner as everyone else.
      if anything, the autistic science lady just walking off scot free into the sunset was the dumbest part.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What was so dumb about it?
        >I tried turning myself in but they didn't believe my story about being a tech-sorcereress minion of the demiurge

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Phantom Thieves are turning the most twisted individuals into what amounts to different people, then making those good people receive punishment for their previous selves.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Anyone who actually did play the games would know it is different
      Obviously, but most personafags either have IQ so low they don't even understand the shitty plots of their own games or like intentionally acting retarded so they think it isn't different.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    persona 5 has a dogshit story just enjoy the rest

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The entire game's premise is a fucking app corrupting people's hearts and desires, the PT get dragged in and then undo that shit. How do people still fall for this fucking bait? The first boss gets befriended by Ann after beating her to show how the plot structure will go.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Arguing about morals is pointless. People will argue anything is moral, even fucking kids like vaush does. If your moral system requires arguments to be valid then you have already lost. You need an uncompromising moral code and you must punish those who break it, else degenerates will take power and assert their moral code over you.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Joker lost here.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The PTs never object to other people changing people's hearts, they just just object to the ends others are trying to achieve by changing people's hearts.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe this game isn't hated by the community

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's the best Musou I've played outside of Sengoku Basara. I have never played P5 itself and never will.

      honestly P5 probably has the most unlikable party in the series

      I mostly enjoyed the group outside of Morgana but I do think Sophie and Zenkichi were top tier and they were the characters made specifically for Strikers so maybe you're right.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sophie only exists to get otakus to buy merchandise

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but she's still a fun character and her Persona Awakening was 200% kino.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            she's even worse than morgana

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Impossible. She's useful.
              I ended up hanging out with Ann as much as possible solely to feel like I was cucking Morgana.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You like ann so your opinion has become valid again

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Akane gets fucked raw on stream.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    never played Strikers, does the villain immediately proceed to do something comically villainous afterwards to justify the party's line of thinking?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He actually has a backstory where his father beats him and his mom up constantly and eventually he ends up killing the mother, so he kills his own father in retaliation, then lied to police and said a burglar killed both. This happened when his favorite tokusatsu show was on the TV at he's obsessed with justice outside the law and wants to control people to end violent crime. After the events of the game he surrenders to the police.

      Ultimately there's a twist villain at the end who is way less sympathetic (sociopath femcel tries to make AI to understand human emotion, gets mad that it makes her feel human emotion) but didn't get any consequences because she resolves to be a better person.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They made another Aigis? Again?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They made a fucking cyberdemiurge

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I guess you could call it a deus ex machina

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >madicce
    really? ono madicce sozsmal?

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >try to play this game (i had already beaten royal and vanilla)
    >find the PT's dialogue horrible
    >try to play just for the gameplay
    >playing on hard, every palace is the same thing, with 1 or 2 gimmicks here and there.

    huh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The most fun character is one you get midway through. Until then, realize Haru has Nero Combo B and eventually gets the ability to dump massive AoE Gun damage and never let her out of your party. Yusuke is fun too if you get his timings down.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        the gameplay of the characters is cool, i like their combos, i myself like using Yosuke because i was a huge Vergil fan, it's just the palaces that tired me out.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    His fight was kino

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely kino

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely kino

      That's not TRUE kino

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Dai reference made me laugh, caught me totally off guard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely kino

      [...]
      That's not TRUE kino

      Persona has mastered the art of spectacle

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't remember this part of P5, is this the spinoff?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so when you punch bad guys who are hurting people it's right but when I punch literally everyone then it's wrong?
    Easiest way to make a """""""""""morally complex""""""""""" RPG villain that will dupe every midwit in existence, many such cases.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So, when Armstrong says "might makes right" and then dies like a moron, does that prove Raiden wrong?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, because Raiden has been fighting his entire life. He can't survive without being mightier than his enemies. It's what he wants to do with his might that's the difference between the two.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Technically it proves him right- Raiden was stronger than Armstrong, so Raiden gets to decide the his vision of the world will at the very least temporarily prevail over Armstrongs.

      This is literally the point of the ending.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Armstrong is right though, and Raiden agrees. It's why he actually splits off from Maverick for real in the end to fight his own war, picking up where Sam left off. They weren't exactly being subtle with it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The point of Revengeance is that Raiden and Armstrong have a similar philosophy with nearly opposite execution on them. Also Armstrong literally says the spirit of his beliefs lives on with Raiden as his heart is ripped out of his chest. They both believe in using personal strength to affect the world and bring down the corrupt systems in it, Armstrong just wanted to tear it down from within and salt the earth in the idea of actual government so might could make right in every single instance while Raiden wants to use his power to protect people and change the system from outside of it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Armstrong thinks being strong and enforcing your will on others is morally correct. Raider thinks you need to be strong to protect others weaker than you and stop shitheads like Armstrong from taking over. One sword keeps the other in its sheathe.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's right.
    Phantom thieves want the world to change but do nothing about it
    Most The main villains actually want to change shit for the better

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't know what P5 tried to tell, all the story was about beating villain of the week tier guys and lobotomize them in the name of "we are 15yo kids and fuck adults". No to talk about the side missions, where the "bad deeds" of the adults were a million times more stupid.
    The story was such a retarded childish shit in general that I don't know why this of all jrpg and even persona was the one to get this popular and have extremely good critics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No to talk about the side missions, where the "bad deeds" of the adults were a million times more stupid.
      P5 is a perfect example of "basing your writing off real life is a bad idea because real life humans are infinitely stupider than the schlockiest fiction you can think of."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good presentation is why. Menus and music.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sophie and Zenkichi are cute!

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Konoe wasn’t in the right but the muh freedoms argument doesn’t really hold water since the PT’s only tactic is forceful ego death. Even people who are receptive to criticism and could have their minds changed naturally still get brainwashed like Haru’s mentor.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why does he look like tony stark

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until you see his super suit and hulk buster armor

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until you see his super suit and hulk buster armor

      ?t=422
      His boss intro is great

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because making him look like Zucc would be too on the nose.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile in the franchise Persona constantly takes ideas from
    >also a story about teenagers taking down corrupt figures
    >unlike persona 5 the main group's goal is understandable and just, no faggy political reasons for their endeavours and instead they have a universally respected moral goal
    Atlus should have just made a Golden Wind RPG

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    looking at the boss battle for this guy, they just reused rivers in the desert?? they didn't have lyn make a new song?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They did for phase 2, it’s very good

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only for phase 1. Phase 2 gives him a new song that's also one of the best in the series.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Counterstrike is a downgrade from Rivers in the Desert. Real best theme is Demiurge's theme that has Sophia theme motif

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >War Cry has different effect in Soul Hackers & Devil Summoner compared to 'base' SMT
    This annoys me more than it should.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people here like to act as if the PT targets were all innocent and didn't deserve it?
    The first act is meant solely to show how Kamoshida was not only a massive piece of shit that abused and raped his students, he could also get away with it since the same institution that was meant to protect the students was protecting him instead. They had no other way to protect themselves and make him face justice, and even then it's still treated as a massive decision that they are never sure about.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ones in P5 deserved it, mostly at least.
      The ones in strikers? Not so much. They were victims too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Being a victim doesn't give you the excuse to victimize others, and victimizing others prevents you from dealing with your own trauma.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They didn't really have a choice in the matter, they were nice people until they got hit by the facebook virus

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good game. Better than Royal. Wouldn't play it in English though.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kneel

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly his design was really good, always loved these designs

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