Bets on what the next chapters will be like? Potential party members? Schizobosses? Jokes Toby might do?
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i don't know, i don't care. i only care about spamton. the rest can go up in the airs
Will the real Spamton please stand up?
There is no greater fool than he who denies
That Spamton give me the chance to earn Wild Prize
Not gonna make any predictions but I was thinking about it and I really hope Toby doesn't write out Berdly in the next chapters because of snowgrave. Not necessarily because I want to see more of his character since I think ch2 fleshed him out well but because it would feel too cheap and easy to do.
seeing as you miss half the game on the genocide route I think the snowgrave route will be the same, so you'll basically be chillin, killin and speeding through the chapters with half the interactions/characters gone so I'm not really worrying about characters being written off
He's 100% getting written out.
With the exception of making it 'Paid DLC Option', devs will 100% avoid branching storylines if each branch has 7+ hours a piece.
Mass Effect managed it with like half a dozen characters
By making shitty stand-ins for each character.
And removing tons of dialogue those characters had in the process
Dialogue is easy as frick to write, there is genuinely no obstacle as long as the character isn't plot critical
Dialogue is the hardest thing to write.
*good, impactful dialogue that means something is the hardest to write
Dialogue in general, for me.
>write dialogue for game
>looks good
>read it the next day
>the most cringe shit ive ever read
You doubt Toby Fox's autism. Keep in mind that the Snowgrave route is already a completely alternate storyline and you can only find it through a very weird and hard to find gameplay technicality. Most people didn't know snowgrave existed for at least 3 or 4 days after CH 2 dropped and that's with hundreds of thousands of people all playing it at once.
snowgrave was because of digging through the game files anyways, AFAIK nobody found it just playing normally
surprisingly, someone actually found by accident for once, no datamining involved.
He will return after eveeything goes to shit.
Did Papyrus get written out of Undertale because he dies early in the genocide route?
What if in the Snowgrave path no one notices he's gone? What if due to the whole "one ending" thing, the game acts like Berdly only went to take a break. And it'll be the same thing with every character affected by Snowgrave. It looks like they die, but suddenly no one notices. It's like they all took a vacation, it's like you just hallucinated ever having killed them. Maybe that's why it's called the "weird" route in the game files.
It feels like a good twist to the whole "no alternate endings" thing and definitely feels like something Toby Fox would do to frick with players and wouldn't frick with development and writing too much. Kinda like American Psycho's ending. It would also be a good way to question a player's morality without being preachy like in Undertale. After all, indirectly killing all these people? For no reward? It's going to feel meaningless and it'll feel like all the deaths were for nothing.
>Kris is actually just a hallucinating schizo who disassociates all the time
It fits but I don't think I would ever forgive Toby for it
I had a theory that if you die/are left in the dark world, you become a goner in the light world.
In the snowgrave route everyone will forget who Berdly is the next day and that he ever existed, hence 'don't forget'.
>don't forget
>i'm with you in the dark
eat shit
caw
I feel like I'm the only one who hated how hamfisted Berdly's backstory was conveyed. It's not even a bad story or anything but it was just so fricking poorly done.
It was also just out of nowhere.
I think it's supposed to be a "fake sad story". As in, Berdly tells it like it's supposed to make you sad but you're expected to react pretty much like Susie.
didn't workj
honestly would've been better if it was put in the snowgrave route (before you fight him) instead of the normal one.
would've made his death have more impact
Nah that honestly would have spoiled it.
Berdley gets a shit load of character development in snowgrave due to him suddenly being the voice of reason (compared to (you)) and proving he's willing to risk his life to save noelle. That's all the development he needs for his maybe-death to have impact.
Theory 1: It was just genuinely poorly written.
Theory 2: We'll see similarly implemented backstories of other side characters, and it will tie into a later theme or reveal.
You're not the only one. It felt really rushed to try to get sympathy for him so you have an incentive to not freeze him or get his hand zapped
It would've felt better for him to slowly come crashing down realizing that nobody thinks he's amazing with him becoming more and more desperate every time you face him
Instead what we got were two silly battles against him and a storydump
How can they top ch2 for me? The chapter was supposed to be computer land but ends up being mega drive / SNES chiptune nostalgia gallery and I love it.
I hope for him to insert more of his fetishes in the game
>gif
Noelle definitely freaked out seeing them
Hot. Post more of this freak.
God I wish that was me
>toby is a TFchad
Based.
I'll pronounce him a true TFchad if he'll have one of the main character be a shapeshifter
>here's you TF schizo boss
how would people react?
>how would people react?
It would be a delirium for sure
Maybe he's the "I want to frick the one getting TF'd" chad instead.
Because a lot of non-main characters transform.
Ironically, I have seen TF be the internet fetish that people actually like for the art aspect and creativity behind it. And as a person who has is into certain types of TFs, I can say that werewires transforming has been more unsettling to me likely because of the body horror aspect.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/D5Fi6vN8w65FrfK2fa1MvA/
frick off homosexual
>game references the strange case of dr jekyll and mr hyde
>Another Deltatroon thread
no one cares pedo
>Another video game thread on the board dedicated to video games
mad because people are actually talking about videogames instead of posting softcore porn of their gacha games waifus?
>this bait still works every fricking time
Why are underage Deltarunegays like this?
my wishlist:
>asriel, sans or papyrus party member (in any chapter)
>asriel's potted plant as flowey schizoboss
>idk i hope he stops being meta
>More than 6 chapters
>Jokes Toby might do?
He could just make chapter 3 about your life, anon. Seems like a big joke to me.
what are the chances the final game has more than 7 chapters?
pretty high. sprites were found that labelled chapters 8, 9, 10 and 0. 0 could be a placeholder, but having 3 others (with one having 2 digits) feels weird
Toby never specified what he was going to do after chapters 1-5 so anything goes really. If the game has 7 chapters though I'm not sure why you would release 1-5 and then 6-7 separately instead of doing it all at once.
>excited for next chapter after finishing chapter 2
>lost all hype when it was revealed to be coming late next year
>got interested in stream
>realised no more spamton
>hype back down
I have no intentions of hunting down "Dave" to ask about the cake.
Black Ralsei is still the best
i agree
I would have agreed before Toby gave him makeup
It's like that fricker is attacking me personally for being one of the few who didn't want to frick asriel
the makeup ruins him
>Still not into any of the gotes
Toby must just not be trying hard enough, then.
I completely forgot about the 'more than one ralsei' theory
Yeah of course he's not the same. Ralsei is kris's darkworlder, influenced by his longing for his brother but also his status as the adopted son.
Now we don't actually know how assreal is outside of everyone baking them gold medals but we can clearly extrapolate that real chris is a freak because of his dissociation with monster society and his humanity.
This means that as he grows into more into the role of the darkworld prince and the more kris adapts the more he changes.
any news of a potential release date yet?
I feel like more information will come on Halloween.
From the teasers it seems Chapter 3 is almost done.
Chapter 4 is also pretty far in since a lot of the stuff in the update was labeled as Chapter 4.
The update also says pace is picking up and Chapter 5 is starting to get underway.
I'm still hopeful for like Summer 2023. Would prefer earlier of course but that is probably way too wishful thinking.
I'm calling an April 2023 release or release date reveal. That Dragon Blazers game is a collab between Toby and the guy who made Garlic, 100%. This post explains it pretty well https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/612414529/#612417268
Except the Dragon Blazers she plays is a top-down turn-based RPG, and not a sidescrolling brawler.
If it was an RPG and it even showed and ice level it'd be way too on the nose
>This post
Whelp. April it is then.
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Reminder that Secret of Evermore is great and a major inspiration for DR.
Meds, NOW
>le meds
>when talking about toby fricking fox, who's been planning deltarune since 2012
try again lol
the dev has been working on the game and posting updates for years if you care to research, stop posting this schizo shit in every thread.
Red herring.
https://twitter.com/SylphArcade/status/1211754916357824514
It would've been called Dragon Blazers from the start if it was always meant to be a tie-in.
https://steamdb.info/app/1160690/history/
11 months later is NOT "the same time as Ch1 release"
what is anon smoking
I'm guessing next years anniversary personally since thats when he knows all eyes are on him
Any release date earlier than Christmas 2023 is very optimistic.
Could I get a link to some livewatch threads of this stream? I missed it
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/612558414
and
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/612560630
>how many times are you gonna say proceed Kris?
>Shitty impersonator trying to sell shady shit until he is exposed
>Let down by whoever he tried to call when he needed help the most
I'm absolutely late with this but the entire stream was an analogy for Spamton's backstory yeah?
Pretty much. The fangamer people were probably in place of Tenna and Spamton B for Mike.
can he make straight pipis from the tap?
tastes like fresh
is this chapter 3 content or chapter 4 content?
I think the general consensus is that the chapter 3 dark world will be themed around entertainment, so that pic and this https://deltarune.com/shadowmen/ will be from said chapter. Also in https://deltarune.com/update-092022/ the green room image is the only one without the ch4 label in its filename.
WH-PSSHH
Who the frick is a?
a means hyperlink in html
>Bets on what the next chapters will be like?
shit
>Potential party members?
gays
>Schizobosses?
morons
>Jokes Toby might do?
unfunny ones
UT/DRgays frick off back to Twitter and Tumblr
troony game and troony fanbase
>Bets on what the next chapters will be like?
We now pretty much know that Chapter 3 will be going through various TV-themed areas, like noir/gangster, western, and the weather channel. From the "your family is weird" statement Susie makes in one of the screenshots, it's possible Asgore will make it to the house and be part of the dark world which means we may get eggs-husband-tier cringe.
Chapter 4 is likely going to be the church, and it may be where Rudy dies since he's going to be there.
>Potential party members?
None. Noelle is a protagonist, she's not gonna be cycled out. She'll come back Chapter 4 at the latest.
>family talk show where Asgore and Toriel talk trash about each other
kino
Spamton talks about a gameshow host in the NEO fight, so maybe we'll get a family feud segment
So uh when is that SEXY SPIDER Muffet going to show up in Delta Brüne??
never, it's a kickstarter character
Toby is a moron and should've actually got her rights, especially when her design shits all over the trash he has made.
During festival.
Where is Togore
SPAM
SP
I wonder if there'll ever be an lightner antagonist. And i mean actual antagonist, not just a temporary rival like Berdly or SooS.
Noelle's mom
I'm betting chapter 4 or 5 is going to take place in Noelle's room, and will be themed after the games she mentions in her blogs.
I'm not so sure about that. I think Cat Petterz and Dragon Blazers are games used as parallels to explain lore stuff
Susie but big
there will a be a confrontation at the end of the weird route, most likely with susie, and it'll use the undertale UI.
mark my words
Dunno about Susie but I can feel it in my bones that Toby will bring back the UT battle UI for a significant fight.
>push Spamton doll
>plays a weird, high pitched fast sentence
every other line it says is just different versions of nows your chance to be a big shot, Ive gotten it to pop up again, the only part I think I can understand is "fill your heart"
?t=24
still too distorted even when slowed down to make anything out, damn
fate is coming for me; answer the phone
hands wait until you are all alone
it pulls the string and make them rings
until your heart gets ripped up
>Something Something Over the phone
>A Thousand Dollars in post
>Something Pennsylvania
I think (he's/it's) coming for me, answer the phone
I can't explain until you're all alone
(He/It) pulls the strings and makes it ring
Until your heart gets ripped (up/out)
What make an elemental pair?
It's just random?
At least we know why the cat element defense give resistance to spamton.
There's a guy on Youtube who figured out some of the elemental pairs (namely cat/puppet and thunder/light iirc) who said that thunder/light may be a reference to Chrono Trigger, where the two are condensed into a single element.
Admittedly, I haven't play CT myself, but taking a quick look at a wiki I found off Google, it seems like Dark/Star might be a similar case.
Yeah, CT has Light and electrical techs belong to that element.
It sounds like having a special item to protect you from the superboss might be a recurring thing going forward. You had the mannequin for Spamton and Seam talks about how you'll NEED the "Shadow Mantle" to get Chapter 3's Shadow Crystal. Jevil (Death/Scythe) is the exception, and Spamton lists him separately.
Speaking of Seam, that's another Puppet/Cat
This "game" seems completely random to me with no internal consistency or coherent theme, what it is even about
>surface theme
There needs to be a balance between escapism and confronting your life's issues, you can't go all in on one or the other or else you'll go insane.
>inner theme
Wouldn't it be fricked up if the character you were controlling was aware that you were controlling it and not entirely on board with it? And then you can make the character do fricked up shit like abuse a friend and kill a classmate?
it's about the feeling of control over your life and what you (the player) will try to do if the game bash you over the head that you can't change the scenario
Chapter 3 is gonna have Mike as a televangelist and his boss fight has him use the Sky Mantle like this
bet this will be his theme
Mike is actually not the bad guy apparently
Tenna is the main antagonist in ch3
the more we get info about mike
the more he feel like he is just a nobody joke toby made about the actual big shot ad
meds
Why? Shouldn't it be the opposite?
well outside of the obvious joke of mike ditka the saleman/big shot, an add for tv
Spamton/Toby really fricking don't want to give hints anything about mike, and the tenna name feel like mike will not be related to chap 3
>and the tenna name feel like mike will not be related to chap 3
Mike is literally named in the same page that Tenna is introduced. Spamton specifically excludes Mike from the group of people he wants revenge on which includes Tenna, this means Mike is at least in some way related to said group.
I just want more town
I couldnt care less about the dark world
cringe take.
loght world doesn't have the kino that is spamton and jevil
I'd happily erase Jevil and Spamton from existence and memory if it meant more light world
it's been 4 years but i'm still a jevilbro over spamton
he was free before it was cool kids
isn't it nice
to be free
free
Honestly a Jevil plush would be cool. Spamton seems very 2d.
Jevil works better because he's so fat. He'd make a plump plush.
jevilchads RISE UP
>jevilchads
>A circus clown, more sick than he's funny
>chad
Spamtombro'spamtom it feels good to be the king
I just realized that Spamton is a puppet because there's always someone behind spambots. Who in the town could've made one? Who needed to make one? Was it Asriel?
internet is huge
it most likely just a spam who got "stuck" in the town once internet was down in town
Mike is going to be Spamton's Seam
So how deep does the Deltarune hole go?
https://vocaroo.com/1fodhSoOZfEW
>Another Him
Does this imply the existence of 2 Gasters?
Wasn't he "shattered" across time and space? more like multiple fragments then
Spamton's Cat element is probably connected to the fact he sent Noelle a Pipis mod for that cat game, also the fact the element is paired with Puppet
The bit at the bottom is a reference to an official knitting guide or some shit where it talks about Seam using a scythe
Now who wants to hear me schizopost about the proxy conflict between Gaster and Chara?
do it anyway, thread's dying
In the beginning Survey/Vessel portion, it's already rather well-known that the voice speaking to you is Gaster - various evidence both hard and soft points to this and there's no need to get into it. It's slightly less well known that when it says your vessel will be discarded and your choices don't matter, it is NOT the same voice as before but rather a second one butting in... In the Japanese localization, it is made more obvious that this voice is Chara due to them having more distinct speech quirks in Japanese, but I think even just looking into the code to see which Typer was used for the second voice was enough to confirm it was Chara.
This right here sets up what I think will be an important conflict throughout the game, seeing as Chara's interruption and discarding of everything Gaster had been doing with (You) up to that point implies a clash between their wills already...
But two characters disagreeing does not necessarily mean their conflict will be in any way important. What DOES matter is what each of them has already been doing about it...
For starters, I'll elaborate on some of the various parallells between Kris and Chara, besides the obvious, since Chara is the reason we got put into Kris at all instead of the Vessel we were making
Everyone knows about their generally similar build, the striped shirt, and the fact they were adopted by the Dreemurrs, but it goes a bit deeper than that. Both seem to be emotionally damaged in some way or another, both have a mischievous streak to them, both were humans adopted into a family of monsters (the same monsters, of course) and raised in a society of only monsters (the full extent of monsters being the majority in Deltarune is currently unknown and can be anywhere from just the town to the entire world for all we know), both have a limited amount of agency when under control of a player (Chara acting on their own in Genocide vs Kris doing things like ripping the SOUL out)... The list goes on. 1/?
Consider the following: Since Kris shares so many similarities with Chara, isn't it possible that the voice at the end of the Vessel sequence is actually Kris?
>Kris interrupted the vessel sequence
>Kris has an used/beaten up cage on a trolley
>It has a red stain
>Kris busted in on Gaster's business, took the soul and caged it, transporting it home before sticking it in himself so come next morning he'd be controlled by (you)
>Spoiler
I bet that's what happened in the bunker to be honest
>If Kris took the soul who's to say he didn't take the vessel too?
>For whatever he's planning
>He needed to make room in himself for (you) after all
>And what better place to put his own soul than the vessel meant to hold a human soul?
>And if Kris himself is fricked up enough to do that, what would the vessel do when controlled by his soul?
>Maybe Kris was the Knight after all, but not in the way we thought
Interesting theory, here's a shorter one I just came up with a few days ago.
>Chara and Gaster are actually working close together
>Chara does NOT want your soul just to be "alive" again
>Chara only took it just to deliver it to Gaster to start the vessel creation sequence, and by extension, insert it into the Deltarune universe
The connection between Kris and Chara is important here, because so far the only thing we can directly confirm as action by Chara is making sure that the player ends up inside of Kris as opposed to the vessel (the exact motivation is unclear, we do not even know if Kris had a soul prior that we replaced, or if he was without one for one reason or another immediately prior to our arrival). Due to how similar Kris is to Chara, there is no doubt that he was chosen deliberately and very specifically, and although this is the only act we can direcrly link to Chara with certainty, it seems important enough to whatever their plan is that the implications are enough to carry us for a bit.
You see, Gaster's motives are even more an enigma than Chara's, but what we do know is that if you look closely, his work is all over the game. From the contact with us and attempted creation of the vessel, to his theme in the mysterious bunker, his noises when we use our phone in the dark worlds, and of course his log from Undertale about experimenting with what can be assumed to be dark worlds. Most importantly, however, has been his contact with our beloved schizobosses, telling them mind-shattering secrets about the nature of their world (and more) that send them on a rampage with motives hard to decipher. If Gaster has a plan he is acting on in some way, and Chara has been shown already to directly interfere with his actions... So if Gaster's doing more than just the vessel creation bit at the start, what has Chara been doing? Who have THEY been in contact with? Perhaps... someone we've already met. 2/?
frick
I'll have to look into the speech quirks of the incredibly few confirmed quotes from Kris (all I can currently remember is Father Alvin repeating what Kris called the wine) and compare...
Consider:
Ralsei was based off of the red horns Kris used to wear to be like his goat family. In a sense, Ralsei is the very personification of Kris' familial bond with the Dreemurrs - a bond that Chara had with their own Dreemurrs. Ralsei also seems aware of the player's presence in Kris from the beginning (though he's careful not to directly acknowledge it), something very few characters catch on to, and even then some only under specific circumstances. Chara is one of those few, of course because they were the one that stuck you in him to begin with.
The few "confirmed" characters to be acting off of what Gaster told them are the superbosses, who directly attack you but despite this seem perhaps open to joining you - would not the perfect parallel be the the character that supports you in battle but seems to be subtly planning something without you? If there was anyone Chara would reach out to, unless we haven't encountered them at all yet, Ralsei just makes the most sense...
Just some food for thought.
>Chara had with their own Dreemurrs
homie no he didn't
Got there, realized Asgore would probably kick his ass so he tried poisoning him, and tried to use Asriel as a weapon.
This disgusting yet popular animal will win us so much money!
I actually also have a theory about Gaster's ties to Chara, and I also believe they are enemies. In a genocide run, Sans mentions that he has the ability to observe other timelines, and it's heavily implied that Gaster is the one who developed this ability(probably a machine). I think it's very probable that Gaster saw the genocide timeline, and wanted to find a way to prevent it. Now, also in that route, we meet Gerson as a shopkeeper. He has a line that implies that he has some kind of knowledge that his status as an NPC makes him unable to be fought, and thus unable to be killed by Chara. I personally believe this is because Gerson has no fight data, but of course, he likely doesn't know that. The problem with Gaster however, is that he DOES have fight data in the game. And that's not really something he can erase. The "canon" explanation for this is likely that he saw himself encountering and fighting Chara in many timelines, always to end up dying. So the only way for him to live on past the possibility of a Genocide timeline, the only way to stay alive and have a chance of preventing that, is to become unable to be encountered. That was not something easily overcome. And that's why I believe he fell into the core. Not by some freak accident like the characters in the game seem to believe, but purposefully. Of course, after this, it's likely that him being shattered didn't help in the way he wanted it to. He did indeed become unable to be killed, but at the same time, he had too little influence. Barely any hints of him are left at all, and certainly not enough to stop the player on the warpath. So in Deltarune, I believe his intentions are very much the same, to stop Chara. But his methods are certainly different. If we're to assume he's the man giving out eggs, then he's hiding in areas that the in-game character could never find, only a player could percieve something like loading zones. So he still has some kind of meta knowledge.
>Schizobosses
I'm still holding onto the idea that they'll all be referencing Stages of Grief, at least up to Chapter 5.
They're all reacting to the trauma of realizing their lives aren't real with the different stages.
>Jevil is Denial (says he can do anything, can't)
>Spamton is Bargaining (wants to make a deal)
>TV one could be Anger or Depression, both would work with TV stuff
>Church will be Depression or Acceptance
>Fifth one will be the remainder
Imagine one schizoboss that just doesn't want to fight us cause he's just too depressed over the realization, but we get to the point where we make them fight anyways and they are insane despite not even really trying.
Then in the Weird Route there's a version of them that TRIES.
yeah i could see chapters 3-5 having schizo bosses
and then having ch 6-7 secret bosses be gaster and his shinanigansavawk
>it took this long for tasque manager to start getting nice SFW art
>and people only started doing it because fricking toby/temmie did it first
I mean I know I shouldn't complain, but shit
how
>Live A Live is well known to be one of Toby's influence RPGs
>Noelle ridiculously thirsty for Susie who pays far more attention to someone else
Odds she's gonna go full Streibough, and ruin Kris's life out of thirst?
I mean maybe, Toby has a lot of JRPG inspirations. I remember someone in a past thread talking about how Kris could be inspired by Ashley from Wild Arms
Everyone thinks Omori is the game Toby is talking about in that tweet, but it's actually Dust: An Elysian Tale, due to its plot with the protagonist being two people made one. The juxtaposition between Kris and Dust is clear.
He will have Yoko Shimomura make a song or two for the rest of the game.
So Kris and Ralsei?
>The weather always sticks together!
>A man and a woman
>Chapter 3 is clearly going to be all about the Dreemer family since it's happening in their house with Toriel in it
Wonder if these two will be just an idealized version of Toriel and Asgore the whole way through, or if they'll actually argue and "break up" after we fight them.
Could be a midboss like dogamy/dogaressa
Oh they certainly will be.
The real boss of the chapter is obviously gonna be whoever Tenna is. The representation of the TV itself that's running the show.
The weather duo are just one show on it. We'll probably go through a lot of shows that parallel shit in the Dreemer family.
Probably idealized depictions of all their relationships. With the idea of the TV presenting these fake scenarios as what Lightners should strive for maybe.
Nah, don't be stupid. 'Tenna' is short for Antenna, and TVs don't have Antennas anymore, and the Schizobosses have the theme of being stuff that people don't want (Joker card, Spam mail) Tenna is going to be the Schizoboss.
Mike is the actual boss, following the rules. Jevil talked about 'Queen', not Spamton.
>TVs don't have Antennas anymore
not in deltarune world
I hate this anachronical bullshit in Deltarune. You have old electronics and the kids using old late 90s blogs to chat but all of them act like zoomers.
Pretty sure the blogs are at some point in the past since Susie is referred to as "the new girl".
today anon learn that small town doesn't get up to date as fast as big cities
Why is bad audio editing so funny
COOKIE OF Bo-
because scuffed video editing is fricking hilarious, its my favorite genre of humor
mega64 are the best at it
What is the current theory on pic related?
I think that might be sans from undertale
Haha very funny, guys. Im talking about the obvious Grillby's shop behind Sans
who's grillby?
That's 'sans shop, it's right on the sign
It says Sans on it though
Is that sans?
I think this screenshot might be fake
How close are we to fedora Papyrus?
Very.
skelitone
Thats the sans from undertale. no idea why hes here now though. why would he have that building with letters already scratched out?
my theory is that it's an abandoned building and he's just a hobo squatter who took the name sans because the name was on the building
It's Grillby's
Meds now
Thanks doc
TIME TO SETTLE THIS DEBATE ONCE AND FOR ALL
was kris actually ok with us doing the snowgrave route?
he doesn't resist and the route at ALL
and he still puts us back inside him in the end chapter 2 on toriels house.
You're missing the part where Kris sounds relieved if you bail on the weird route at any point.
Because kris knows how hard the route gets.
He's relieved he isn't going to have a bad time.
Without us, he will die, he has no choice
He's a freak, he let us do it with no resistance.
>was kris actually ok with us doing the snowgrave route?
no, Susie points out Kris looks stressed out when you reunite with her and Ralsei
>and he still puts us back inside him in the end chapter 2 on toriels house.
After the new information regarding the piano and Noelle, I genuinely think we might not be the only ones inside Kris's body.
Based on the way Kris shambles around when the soul is ripped out, I think it's possible that Kris needs the soul to function for longer than a couple of minutes. We don't know exactly when the soul started inhabiting Kris's body, but it's possible that whatever happened at the bunker affected Kris's body and made Kris half-vegetable until the soul came along.
throught both chapters kris has shown us that he's able to break control/ do stuff on his own like when he protected susie
how come he didn't do anything when we were mindbreaking noelle or about to kill berdly?
it could just be toby's lazy or kris really just doesn't care that much about noelle and berdly
maybe the soul has a stronger control of kris in the dark worlds
He was in a dark world when he protected susie.
In fact he was in the darkest part of the dark world,, right next to the fountain.
thats the biggest hole in my theory
i could argue that his will to protect susie was strong enough to overcome that, but there is enough evidence in snowgrave that also points to kris trying to resist it with all he can, but is unable to
no idea, but i do find it weird how during the mice puzzle section with proceed kris just keeps walking forward by himself. we're just saying proceed, proceed doesn't make kris alwayswalk forward, so why did it happen this time when there was very clearly something dangerous in the way ? was he genuinely pissed off at noelle wanting to kill him ?
Maybe Noelle is wrong in thinking that the command "Proceed" is directed at her. It could be directed at Kris, who moves forward in response out of fear of what will happen if Kris disobeys the player.
because kris can't almost do shit without us, stopping a snowgrave would requiere too much from kris
Because Ralsei was being distracted by Susie.
>I genuinely think we might not be the only ones inside Kris's body.
That's an interesting thought. Could it be possible that Kris was already possessed by something before we entered the picture, and now our involvement is actually meant to help Kris? People speculate that we're fricking up Kris's life by controlling them when maybe we're the lesser of two evils and we're helping them be freed? It explains why Ralsei keeps telling Kris in secret "that's why it has to be this way, ok?". Maybe he's just telling Kris that he knows the situation with the soul isn't optimal, but they need it in order to break free from the other thing possessing them. The times Kris rips the soul out could be when whatever else is within them is able to get a temporary burst of control.
if there is another person/force controlling kris then it is probably a new character we've never seen.
i don't want to think it's knight/gaster since those two are better off being their own characters outside of kris.
>Could it be possible that Kris was already possessed by something before we entered the picture
That's why I mentioned the Noelle thing. She very specifically describes the way Kris seems to freeze up, not unlike what happens at the end of each chapter so far. And this is supposed to be before "we" came in.
>i don't want to think it's knight/gaster
I don't know about the Knight, but Gaster is the one who summoned us in the first place. It wouldn't make sense for him to antagonize us after that.
The Knight though, would fit with the ending of Chapter 2. It would mean Kris was and wasn't the Knight at the same time.
Considering how Kris is dragging himself when he pulls the SOUL out it looks like he's very weakened without it and might not survive in the long term, so he puts us back because he has to
Kris is not a killer. No matter what you make them do, they're still LV 1 at the end of Chapter 2.
>he doesn't resist and the route at ALL
It's hard to make this assertion. For most of the route we're alone with Noelle, who thinks Kris is acting a little strange from the start but brushes it off until you make her take the FreezeRing, after which she alternates being terrified of Kris and just disassociating from the whole situation, rationalizing away anything she might have noticed about Kris not being themself. After you kill Berdly and get back with Susie and Ralsei, Susie notices that SOMETHING is wrong with Kris but Ralsei distracts her from it before we can hear more, similarly to after the Spamton NEO fight.
While they're under our control Kris has shown that they can act on their own to some extent, but they've never been able to directly disobey or refuse our orders. They can close their eyes when we tell them to peek their head in the door to Asriel's room, but if we tell them to lie to their friends and say they're OK when they're not, they have to say it. And all Kris has to do in Snowgrave is tell Noelle what to do.
Even beyond that, we get indications that Noelle isn't being told what to do by Kris, but she can instead hear (You) directly commanding her. It may be that (You) are somehow asserting more direct control over Kris in Snowgrave, or that Noelle is simply more susceptible to the SOUL's commands, unlike for example Susie who never listens to anything we tell her to do.
There are some things that suggest Kris and the SOUL may be conspiring. Kris completely ignores Ralsei's suggestion that they "think about" what Susie and Noelle are doing in Snowgrave without any prompt from (You) (though there are many reasons they might do this). The SOUL (as the narrator) seems to be aware of Kris's intent to open a fountain at the end of Ch 2 ahead of time and railroads you into letting that happen, both in the normal route and in Snowgrave.
>the soul is different from the player
absolute moronation
The SOUL is the player surrogate who is synonymous with the player 95% of the time but, exactly like in Undertale, is still contextualized in the story and ascribed with a certain role and motivation that you, the player, aren't aware of yet.
The SOUL is (You) and (You) made Kris and Noelle do all those things in Snowgrave, but you don't know why yet while the SOUL does.
it’s contextualised as you, etard
You're not a fricking soul inside the game are you? You are someone posting on this board from what I know. You move that soul, play as it, do things with it but YOU're not it.
>Kris is not a killer. No matter what you make them do, they're still LV 1 at the end of Chapter 2.
We already know LV does something different in DR.
in dark worlds only
How do you know?
Your LV in the Dark World is different from your LV in the Light World (which uses the Undertale UI)
When you defeat enemies in Chapter 2, you "get stronger" per enemy defeated, but it says nothing about you gaining EXP despite it specifying you gain 0 EXP when you spare an enemy.
The party's LV in the Dark World only seems to increase after they seal a fountain (with the exception of Noelle, who starts at LV 1 but becomes LV 2 if/when her title is updated). Additionally, the whole party benefits from "getting stronger" even if they weren't in the party when enemies were defeated (Susie and Ralsei have increased stats when they rejoin you after Snowgrave).
This might suggest that LV and "getting stronger" in the Dark World are derived from the SOUL.
Kris was heavily against snowgrave but he couldnt do anything. we have full control over him.
There will probably be a route centered around making every choice Kris would've made if we weren't controlling him
I've got a theory. You know how with some choices Kris acts annoyed or sarcastic? What if you chose every option that aligns with Kris' personality and he saw that the time-traveling god controlling him was benevolent and, because of that, would trust the player more?
I wish absolutely zero percent of Undertale is related to Deltarune. So sick of seeing people's homosexual backstory theories related to undertales loose ends. Deltarune should just be allowed to exist in its own space
i think the only connection to undertale i'd be ok with is if the red soul (you) is the same red soul that went thorugh undertale.
that does seem possible with the whole intro and gaster stuff and choice dialougue where you tell sans it's nice to see him again.
>bland rpg maker game with decent music
>morons are loving this shit because "muh undertale creator made dis"
calm down, losers.
P
Why do you guys like these games?
Do I like the games themselves? They are alright, but what pulls me in is the community, everyone waiting for the next release and then everybody hopping in and reacting to what happens next. It's really fun, like watching a story unfold and were all a part of it.
They are fun
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i'd love to see you try to make something like that in rpg maker
https://vocaroo.com/1dwJsBVqEgaP
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Hey that's pretty cool, man.
thx
The eggs don't hatch according to deltarune.com/egg/.
What if they work like Bad Eggs in Pokémon and the egg just hatches into another egg
I think this concept is actually the most sound; and the eggs representing easter eggs makes it even better. All secrets in this game just lead to dead ends or more secrets, but they have no real purpose, they just exist.
lancer bros.. when the frick will he be a party member..
when ralsei dies
noelle is the ralsei replacement, she has heal prayer and sleep mist
Why does Kris still create the fountain on the snowgrave route
Your choices don't matter.
Based on the fact that the TV was plugged in between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2, it's possible that Kris already had plans in motion for opening a Dark World in the Dreemurr home. Even after Snowgrave, Kris still needs to finish what they started.
you literally just need to wait for the full game to get your answer anon
We can't say until we know what Kris's intention was, but one of the more plausible motives is that Kris thinks that exploring the Dark Worlds is the only way they'll be able to escape their current situation, and Snowgrave would only make that motive stronger.
The person behind the tree is Temmie
Reminder that they are also the only one to have an egg in the light world
>Find Temmie after school in chapter 2
>If you give her the egg she looks directly at the camera and stops using her speech tick
>The egg starts talking
She's already pretty sketchy.
>deltarune final boss
>he says this before the fight
>yfw
would be great. too bad toby cringes too hard back at this
Only if he says "maggots" instead. Toby doesn't like being reminded of his old game, but considering what a troll he is, he could throw a curveball at the last moment.
>eateth dirt, maggots
>eat crap, maggots
Would it be worth it to do a Snowgrave route on File 2 and keep it going throughout the rest of the chapters?
And if so should I run through Chapter 1 again first or skip it?
Why not? There's definitively going to be unique stuff going forward on a snowgrave file.
we don’t fricking know
just make 1 file and keep deleting it and restarting whenever you want to try something new
If you run through Chapter 1 again you can stock up on items that might be necessary for fusions in the future.
The game may keep track of you doing Snowgrave on a different file, so you should probably back up the actual files on your computer and keep them separate.
What does he knows that we dont?
Oh
It's forms of entertainment
Tabletop games and cards chapter one
Internet PC chapter two
Tv gameshow chapter three
What else do kids do for fun????
Gardening???
church 🙂
For a moment, I thought that was Volition from Disco Elysium.
I thought it was some Pale King OC for a second there
going to a festival
someone will open a fountain either inside one of the attractions or out in the open, no fricks given
Also the schizobosses are all carnival rides
Jevil is a carousel
Spamton is a rollercoaster
damn i thought i was the only one who caught that trend.
im curious to see what the other schizo bosses will have
they go to ICE E'S P"E"ZZA, YOU'RE NUMBER "1" SPOT FOR A PIPING HOT PE"E"CE OF PEZZA!
Chapter 1: Thursday
Chapter 2: Friday
Chapter 3: Saturday
Chapter 4: Sunday
Chapter 5: Monday
Chapter 6: Tuesday
Chapter 7: Wednesday
> Chapter 1: The King
> Chapter 2: The Queen
> Chapter 3: The Bishop
> Chapter 4: The Rook
> Chapter 5: The Knight
> Chapter 6: The Pawn
> Chapter 7: The Player
ftfy
> Chapter 3: The Bishop
> Chapter 4: The Rook
UH OH
moron ALERT
> The TV guy. He's a C(rook) I tell ya.
You are a homosexual.
But you do have a point.
yeah, it's that and not that king>queen>rook>bishop>knight>pawn is the standard order of chess piece values
fricking dipshit
Does that signify something?
Presumably later bosses will be harder but we are proceeding in descending order of value.
Also, assuming that Chapter 7 is (The Player) this implies that the Player has the least value of all the bosses which lines up with the idea that we have no real influence over anything important.
Those aren't weekdays, moron
>If you equip Noelle with the ThornRing, her hp will drop to 55 during the Berdly fight
>55 in Roman numerals = LV
Does it automatically drop to 55, or does it automatically drop to 1/3 of her max HP? Or, does it automatically drop to exactly 111 lower than her max HP?
>Chapter 3 schizoboss: DVD/VHS Player (or perhaps a game console) that we cannot see in the room
>Kitchen schizoboss: The Flowers (technically the same as UT)
>Church schizoboss: If based on a Heaven, a satanic figure (that is not Gaster)
Favorite YouTube theorists?
Andrew Cunningham is the only one I'm subscribed to.
This. He's literally the only good one.
I like Andrew too but Jaru makes decent points as well and it’s fun to look into
>Jaru makes decent points as well
COMBAT EFFECTIVENESS
But am I wrong no theory is true it’s all speculation
andrew cunningham for his reaction to that moron theory
>Favorite YouTube theorists?
none
Halfbreadchaos but i can only watch him on 1.75 speed
>https://deltarune.com/chair/
So, how are we supposed to get the Shadow Mantle?
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "the Shadow Mantle is missing" thing is just for the demo as like a "Toby didn't program this into the game yet" bit
but why is there an unused item called Sky Mantle
Considering we won't be going back to Castle Town until after the next fountain is closed, I guess he'll need to add it to Chapter 2, since otherwise there's no way to get it before starting the next Dark World.
>forcing the players to replay chapter 2 after the update in order to fight the secret boss
I dunno, doesn't sound likely.
The fountain is already open right where Kris is sleeping and there's no school tomorrow. How is Kris going to be able to acquire the item from Seam? Unless it's just laying somewhere in the next Dark World.
Either you get it in Chapter 3's dark world, or you'll have to retroactively bring it to Chapter 3 from a later point in time through save file frickery, similar to how you can get Jevil's items and crystal transferred to other save files. I just don't think it's as simple as "it wasn't coded in at the time".
Unless it's one of the items that you get on all saves after getting it only on one save
The shadow mantle is what King has that flies off after you beat him, so it’s NG+ only
I hope you can beat the boss without the shadow mantle but the battle becomes insanely hard
if you recognize this d00d you're a real deltarune autist.
why does he look so tiny
hes literally Spamton
Oh yeah!
it's kino time!
dunno why but im a big sucker for this meme.
it's so stupid and simple but it's so fun lel
Why didn't you post the original?
lol i didn't even know this existed.
it's so WEIRD to see tobin acutal video.
When did the MINDFREAK himself wear those glasses?
Is that the same guy who did the rat dungeon man parody video?
John or something.
>Jokes Toby might do?
He already did chapter 2's writing. No bigger joke than that.
Can't wait for chapters 3-5 to come out so I can finally stop using Ganker for a few days
Post your favorite fan tracks
But anon I detest the fandom so god damn much.
I think we're running out of things to talk about
We already exhausted the largest status update for Deltarune so far, along with a sweepstakes that gave us massive lore dumps and chapter 3 teasers. The time till the next chapters might not be so far off down the road, but goddamn is it going to feel like forever.
only good one i've found outside of remixes
https://vocaroo.com/1m7aq2A8D1Tl
The other thing inside Kris is clearly Dess.
Evidence = none
It'd be fun though. I'm willing to believe at this point that whoever the frick is trapped in the Dark World is probably them after some shit went down. The Knight could be opening Dark Fountains to try and get them back from wherever they're trapped. I had the insane thought that maybe the main Roaring titan - the one with visible horns - could be Dess following some REALLY bad shit happening to them. The idea that the Mayor is the Knight is still fun, though.
was dess the same age as asriel?
Do you people not read dialogue?
it's been more than a year I don't remember the exact detail
of course I know she was older than kris and noelle, but I don't remember if she was the exact same age as asriel
It’s implied both asriel and dess are college aged hence why they’re absent but dess is missing as Asriel kris is the only one in contact with
What the frick does this post say in English?
Black person just because they aren’t the same exact age does not mean that it’s not implied they both went off to college
Dess is never mentioned to be college age. In fact, I don't think it's even stated that she's Noelle's OLDER sister.
Not stated in the game, but heavily implied from Noelle's monologue.
>* I always wanted to go someplace new, you know?
>* ... And Dess... always told me she'd take me.
>* Somewhere like this.
>* Somewhere with shining lights.
>* ... don't you miss exploring, Kris?
>* Back when the four of us were kids?
>* Gosh, remember that night we explored the forest behind the graveyard?
>* Ha, I know we never found anything interesting back there...
>* I mostly remember... Crying because I was scared.
>* But for some reason I feel... nostalgic thinking about it.
>* Dess wiping away my tears with Azzy's jacket...
>* With warm sleeves that smelled like cinnamon.
>* I guess I didn't mind being scared if it meant...
>* Someone would comfort me.
Dess is very clearly meant to be older here, hence her offering to take Noelle places and comforting her when shit went bad.
Also she was wearing Asriel's jacket, which has some obvious implications of them being pretty close.
>Also she was wearing Asriel's jacket, which has some obvious implications of them being pretty close
Asriel's bussy got Dess-troyed.
Makes sense, alright.
I’m not going to link all the shit but it’s heavily shown dess was the older sister in every dialogue she’s mentioned in
>protective older sister
>hung out with Asriel
>leader of youth group
>The yellow kid
Jesus christ sans, you can't say that on stream!
>that actually pretty good theory from the other thread that dess is another human
Supported by that dialogue, think about it, wouldn't it be kind of weird to say "the antlered girl and her big sis" if they were both antlered? You would say "the two antlered sisters" or something like that.
anon look closer at the screenshot
I'm not following you. In fact I just looked up dess on the wiki and funnily enough the trivia makes the same observation I did.
>The way that Sans phrases his reference to "the antlered girl" may imply that her sister, in contrast, does not have antlers.
Dess and assreal are both in college
Just ctrl+f'd the entire script for "dess", "asriel", and "age". Zero relevant results.
will toby release ch 3 4 and 5 together and then the last 2 chapters? or is he planning to release them all at once
3,4 and 5 will be released at the same time
no info about 6 and 7 yet
Former.
Presumably Chapter 5 will be a huge tipping point in the story to set us up for the wait for 6 and 7.
My bet is that Chapter 5 will end with us stopping "The Knight" but then the Dark will overtake the whole city or some shit marking the start of things falling apart or whatever. Typical "you beat the villain but their plan still went through now you gotta stop it" thing.
And if 5 is the Knight, I really think it could be that 3 will be about a "Rook" while 4 will be about a "Bishop". The latter is fitting since supposedly the Church will be involved in Chapter 4.
When he says "more than Undertale" does he mean more than the $10 PC version or the $30 console version?
>inb4 it's 70 dollars
would you buy it?
Heh
No
Hailing from a hyperinflated country, that'd be almost 20% of my net worth. I couldn't.
yes
these games deserve more mony than any AAA game
If it costs more than $20 I'm pirating
if it costs money, I'm pirating it
Wow gata gorda sexo.
Probably since I barely buy games.
Wouldn't feel good about it though.
30-40 at most
any aunts in the game yet?
Anon hear me out
>Based of toby's mom
>Toby has cousins
>Toriel is based on someones aunt
>Has probably jerked off to her too
chew on that, big boy.
don't spread it around
https://voca.ro/1hX8RvOsJ4me
damn it toby
Woh
>snowballing
ha
It was Noelle's hubris that led to Snowgrave. After all, it was what she wanted all along, right?
Yeah, noelle is the real bad person. Nobody without a spotted record would act like she does, she's scum and the worst of it.
She’s moreso in vulnerable position and looking for guidance
Which makes her an butthole, how dare she demand someone give her something for free without working for it?
What is she gaining?
Attention.
lol no she’s a forced manipulated weapon of kris/(you)
Love and support
Kris's ambiguous genitals
I will forever believe he has a blue penis and testicles
Important lore question:
Do the genitalia of the characters differ between the dark and light world?
Yes
Kris has a normal (pale/peach) skinned penis in the light world, and he has a smurf penis in the dark world
Wrong. Penis in light world, blueberry they/them pussy in the dark world. Obviously this whole thing is just going to be a transition allegory, that's why Kris wants to stay in the dark world.
You are wrong and dumb and a degenerate
They/them is ken doll tier you nonce.
Kris would only have his butthole, if that.
>Thinking anyone missed the point
You misunderstand brainlet, we fully got it.
We just find it hot.
Snowgrave gave me fetishes.
>let’s talk about sex instead
FRICK sex
>Susie and ralsei
I've only seen this ship with diehard furries.
is queen the first sexy character toby made?
Choosing "bosom" over "perish" was probably the fast decision I've ever made in any video game I've ever played.
Probably. It's almost shocking that she received so little R34 attention compared to the other characters.
I'd say it's because she's too overtly silly, but then again Sans R34 exists in abundance so who knows. Either that or the fact that a huge proportion of Undertale/Deltarune artists are furries and gravitate towards the anthro characters.
>tall aggressive tomboy/small submissive femboy twink
I guess I can see the appeal.
>>tall aggressive tomboy/small submissive femboy twink
Yeah but for a lot of people that's kris and susie.
Noelle is the only sexy character he's made.
Anybody else waifu Queen over any of the other characters? I just really like her attitude, and I don't really care for teenagers with hormonal issues.
I Cum in susies hair
Amazing she did not mind the smell
The fragrance of apple shampoo
Im so tired of bots and npcs
I will leave Ganker forever im done
Ok bye gay
see you tomorrow bucky
>how dare people actually discuss videogames instead of the softcore porn / american politics thread, this place sucks
Anon, you are replying to a phoneposter using a twitter screenshot.
leaving Ganker won't fix that, you have to update your programming
What do you want to talk about anon?
this still fricks with me
what does it mean toby
THE EGG
we are getting it next year
we were able to rely on sans for the chapter 2 release window and we will trust him again
That does sound about right with the amount of stuff that got shown during Spamton's cheapstake
>we were able to rely on sans for the chapter 2 release window
How?
Sans knew about the delay
>we were able to rely on sans for the chapter 2 release window
Jog my memory, would you? I'm not sure I remember what you're referring to.
>another two
Wait hadn't it been three years between chapter 1 and 2? Or is Toby being cheeky to suggest that being short of three by just over a month only makes it two years?
Chapter 1 released at the very end of October 2018 and Chapter 2 released in the middle of September 2021, so it was about 2 years and 10 1/2 months. I think it could be interpreted either way, and that's probably intentional. Toby probably wants to have Chapter 3-5 ready in 2023, but he has a safety net up to around Summer 2024 just in case something goes wrong and he needs to delay.
He probably built a large part of chapters 3-5 before he released chapter 2. His original intention was to release them all together, after all.
Please don't get my hopes up anons
It's 100% coming next year.
The question is just when.
Most people are saying September (so 1 year out) lining up with the anniversary again.
Personally, I'm thinking it'll be sooner. Like May or June. Chapters 3 and 4 seem very far along so it's mostly the development of Chapter 5 they'll be working on next
Considering the fact that Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 will take place over a weekend and there will be no school, it could make sense for them to be released during the summer. There's also the fact that if Chapter 3 is just overnight Friday into Saturday morning, and then Chapter 4 is Saturday, then that would make Sunday Chapter 5. Then the next update will be the start of a new school week.
It very likely it's gonna be released at jan
source?
Well chapter 3 is very close to be finished according to the blog Toby Fox made so my guess is that chapter 4 is half done and chapter 5 is half done
Did you read the progress report from earlier this month?
>tumblrshit
WE ARE GONNA GET CHAPTER 3 TO 5 IN A FEW MONTHS
MY HOPE LEVELS IS OFF THE CHARTS!!!
There's at the very least a full year between us and a chap3-5 release. Your cope levels aren't healthy and you shouldn't let get them this high.
*farts*
sorry
Berdly was my favorite character of Chapter 2 but yeah that backstory bit was pretty shit
Noelle and berdly are gonna do the cloacal kiss aren't they?
Pedo thread
I love Noelle!
Is that image supposed to be... Noelle?
No!
Dess is a Viera
Was tony actually toby or an actor?
Because man he really went hussy.
I think it was actually him
There was some photo of him posted in a previous thread which apparently was taken a few months ago where he was still skinny so I think it's just the clothes that make him look big
I just never thought he'd grow a beard
It wasn't Toby, it was a youtuber animator that I forgot the name of right now.
He makes some animations of clowns. He pretty famous, apparently.
I'm sure they chose him because he kinda looks like Toby wearing a wig.
help me Ganker it's been months and the song is still stick in my head
I still have World Revolving stuck in my head.
Which song, though? Spamton, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A, or Big Shot?
Good, now take some LSD with the song stuck and maybe you will be able to listen the vocal clearly
https://files.catbox.moe/xvuz5g.mp3
did toby actually contribute something for that stream or was all on fangamer?
Poor jevil, he didn't deserve to be thrown to the curb.
We loved him, once.
I never cared much for him besides the lore implications, the whole jester-crazy person is not a trope I'm interested in. Spamton is fun to be on the screen
jevil still holds a place in my heart for being apart of chapter 1.
his crazy shinanigans was the cherry on top that made me fall in love with the experience.
i honestly don't think it would've been the same without him.
Wait until the next schizobosses make us forget about dear Spamton, ESPECIALLY if its a cute girl
TOBY TAKE NOTES
Hey, Toby just took my fricking notes!
TOBY FOX JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!
AND HE WAS TAKING NOTES!
>None of the chapters are done
>Barely any work done on chapter 5
it's over...
so why is nobody talking about the fact that susie exploded
>in pacifist Noelle become immune to mice (there are mice element darkners, I don't think anybody has tested if they do less damage to noelle after she gains immunity)
>Snowgrave gives Noelle a big frick you attack
So is there a way to min-max and give her both immunity to mice and the big frick-off attack? I doubt it since snowgrave has you freezing the puzzles but you never know
I dunno maybe chapter 3 will make it actually hard to be pacifist.
Why would you care when:
a) Noelle is never going to be a party member again
b) In an insane scenario where Toby actually bothers to make branching paths for every chapter AND Noelle returns as a party member, she still does insane damage and has a one hit kill super
>Noelle is never going to be a party member again
lmao
>a)
Noelle's going to be a party member on all chapters on the weird route.
>Noelle is never going to be a party member again
How the frick would you think that.
my wive
get that homestuck shit out of here, or at least come back with something that isn't made by the guy that's into pregnants
when will toby fox hire actually competent sprite artists
soul vs soulless
wrong
>more detail is better!
absolute brainlet take. these are much worse
do you even minimalism?
>All the sprites are slightly altered in ways that make them worse than the original
Honestly why does this always happen with people who try to make "improvements" like this? They always try to change it instead of making it 1:1.
People who remake things are people who lack creativity and true artistic talent.
There are tons of people who can produce technically quality work like a robot, but since they have no actual artistic skill they think that making real art more similar to their robot rule sheet they memorized makes it """better""".
soul soulless simple as
>Old sprite is standing still while talking
>New sprite is bouncing around while talking
Every time, but why?
Do not make me post the improved Mario walk sprite.
They're all more detailed sure but Mettaton is the only one that works there, they shouldn't sway and bounce while talking
Nu-Toriel - Souless
Nu-Mettatton - Alright, shouldn't be bouncing around like a moron.
Nu-Flowey - Meh
Nu-Monster Kid - Souless
Nu-Spamton - Same as Mettatton
IIRC he already did, he just told them to deliberately make their work shitty to match his style
I remember that was the case for undertale, because the bulk of the art he was doing himself. He even deliberately kept frisk's sprite incredibly shitty in order to keep expectations low.
Didn't that change with deltarune though? I thought he said he had temmie working full time for pixelart. Definitely the case now he's got a full team.
to be honest i don't know why i said "IIRC" because i don't even remember where i heard it from and it was probably speculation and/or a joke
The sprites are definitively higher quality though
Come to think about didn't someone point out that one of kris' colours is on the default microsoft paint pallet? I guess it's possible toby did those.
>Scrapped Temmie's animation of Papyrus thinking because it was too high quality
Toby-sama...
TOBERT
People will call it soulless but frick that, for what Toby is good at music he's absolutely shit at spritework.
I bet you also think that the soulless console Umineko sprites are better than the soulful original sprites. You have literally no taste.
God I hope Tobias Foxtrot doesn't make Kris a looper.
Deltarune will be the Umineko of Earthbound-like games. I will not elaborate further.
can you say it in red at least?
You'd lose the bet. There's no comparing, toby's shit isn't about soul and style, it's just garbage looking because he can't draw.
The Toriel animation reminds me of a Robotrek character.
you're all fricking contrarians the new sprites look good
you're a fricking contrarian the new sprites look like crap
None of you explained why they're bad you just went
>souless
>detail bad
>moving bad
>soulless isn't a good enough reason
okay npc
You're literally the contrarian here
>ME? ... FRIENDS?
>EAHAEHAEHAEHAEH!!! KRIS! YOU AND ME. ARE ALREADY [Friend Request Accepted]
>WE DON'T NEED ANYONE ELSE!!! >WE DON'T NEED [[Easels]] or [[CRTs]]!
>WE DON'T NEED ANY [[Man, Woman, or Child]] [[At Half Price]]!!
>WE DON'T NEED [[MIKE]]!!!
>... ... Mike...
>KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!
So how does this fit into the new lore? Is Mike good or bad? And what’s the connection to Tenna?
We don't even know if Tenna is a character yet, considering the page is filled with static it could just be someone saying something through a bunch of static
my guess is that what spamton said about mike in the new lore is from before he got dupped by him, maybe tenna tried to warn spamton about mike but spam didnt like what they said.
i mean, he was a [BIG SHOT] but now he's in the dumpster,and is implied that mike has a lot to do with his ascension and downfall.
unless mike and whoever called him are different persons
>Gamers don't die, they respawn
What do you do?
That ain't Falco
>He just keeps respawning into a more horrible and horrible abomination less birdley every time.
kneel.
>gamers dont die they dethaw.ogg
KINO soundtrack toby
What fight will play megalovania? Surely toby won't give it to sans again.
Susie.
Vessel fight.
N/A
What you SHOULD be asking is, what fight will have Megalo Strike Back?
Who the frick knows stop asking stupid questions like this
What fight will have Gigalovania?
Giga Sans
It's just Sans on 50 ft tall stilts with folding chairs in each arm.
Not Sans Deltarune, but Sans Undertale
Sans stands for "Sans after not surviving"
NEW THREAD????
There's nothing more to talk about. We got our new info. We had fun with the sweepstakes and the stream. Back to stasis with you, see you in 1 year.
Megalovania will play in Phase 1 against Kris, before Asriel arrives to join the fight
page 10
move to
, the other thread is just hornyposting.
I wanna write a very important observation (gameplay wise) that will help us find the egg in future chapters, but i dont have time to write ITT