Destroy the elden ring

It's interesting how Edgar, Irina/Hyetta, and their locations/dialogue all tie together into a fairly solid introduction to the Frenzyflame.
My first impression of Elden Ring's side storylines was more disjointed than Souls'/Sekiro's, but every time I look in to things just from in-game info, they end up more cohesive, detailed, & tied in to the rest of the game than From has ever done. Kino.
Shame about Kale's quest with the frenzied nomads being cut, though. That seems like it'd be even stronger.

Oh okay so it's okay for a game to send you to high level areas even though that goes against basic design logic

why put a temple for low level players in the highest level area in the game

oh right I forgot fromsoft are morons

>punishes you for exploring
it isn't punishing you for exploring.
You're just exploring a dangerous area full of hazards that you aren't equipped to take care of.
You can continue your expedition there or go to the many other openworld areas.

>You can continue your expedition there or go to the many other openworld areas.

That's what I'm doing now that I know the game is just terribly designed. I'll come back later.

>Warpgates are a thing in Elden Ring

Haven't found one yet.

No, the trap chest sends you to the Sellia Crystal tunnel. You can't warp out until you rest at another site of grace, Sellia probably being the one that's found most often. The warp gate outside Limgrave's 3rd Church of Marika sends you to Gurranq's temple.

The games an open world, and the maps show that Calied is close to the early level areas.
It's meant to be this plague ridden inhospitable wasteland with difficulty enemies to give players another taste of what's on deck.
Like with the Tree Sentinel outside the starting area taunting players.
You can definitely take on the enemies there low level, but you can also just tuck your tail and run back to Limgrave knowing that your next stop is either Liurna or Weeping Peninsula

What temple are you talking about?

nta I was just curious what you were talking about.

So you can get Beast incantations as a reward from the Deathroot you get in Limgrave & Liurnia (which 95% of players will explore before Caelid), and also provide an avenue for the other 5% to tackle places for their loot out of the intended order.

>the game is balanced like an MMO
Who are you quoting? The only person mentioning this is you, presumably.

This thread is symbolic of why From made DS3 a linear slog.

Is this a bot? I'm not the anon who posted

This game is seriously pissing me off. I level up and it feels like it does jack shit. The spirit ashes are fricking worthless. I got Banished Knight Oleg, Crystalian, and a bunch of other random monster ashes but they all fricking die in three hits. They cant keep agro or tank for shit so half the time its not even worth using them.

I just spent all morning killing this black bird boss after spending all last night killing the fricking dragon on the bridge and what is my reward? A fricking NPC that just goes "..." when I talk to it. None of the merchants have shit to sell and I cant upgrade armor at the smith for who knows what reason.

What the frick am I missing? My average damage is around 70 which never does frick all, I feel like I have to cheese the game to kill anything. Fort frickface with its fricking flying bats was a nightmare and all I got was a talisman that increase my stats some but increases the damage I take which I cant fricking handle as it is.

Okay so now you're saying the world has no balance but that's okay because you have a horse

>the world clearly has balance
>but you need to use fast travel because there's low level quests in end game areas
>also you need to constantly run away on your horse
>technically even though I said you need to run away and abuse fast travel you can beat the whole game level 1
>so run away from everything on your horse even though I clearly just said that you'd need to do the opposite
>it's actually the best game ever made because you can sl 1 everything and there not being any balance even though I just claimed it was balanced
schizophrenic

>>the world clearly has balance
Yes
>but you need to use fast travel because there's low level quests in end game areas
Incorrect, you can easily avoid all the enemies on Torrent, and leave Caelid without so much a scratch on you if you wanted
>also you need to constantly run away on your horse
You can choose to do such, and it's a painless effort. You can also choose to stay in Caelid, and fight the tougher enemies, it's an open world game with choice wow! Difficult harder enemies are difficult, very shocking.
>>it's actually the best game ever made because you can sl 1 everything and there not being any balance even though I just claimed it was balanced
Skilled players who make all their inputs right can beat every boss in the game SL1, and this is a good thing correct.
You couldn't though.

>Leveled zones
yes
>actually there's low level quests in high level areas
Incorrect, theres low level quest in low level areas. You access shrine via ingame lore based teleportation.
You are free to immediately leave the area that puts an insanely difficult boss blocking the exit and go back to the low level area you came from
>BUT YOU HAVE TO FAST TRAVEL
One of the key areas in the game you have to constantly go to is the Round Table hold. Fast Travel isn't just another utility to make players travel useful. It's essential to the storytelling of the game, so no, fast traveling back to Limgrave isn't some unholy sin. Sites of Grace are literally used for that channeling the Erdtrees magic
>nd because you can kill everything in 1 hit in the game
Nobody said that you utter fricking moron git.

Anon, you might be moronic.

I have never said anything about MMOs.
Just that it has leveled areas.
And yes, Caelid is a high level area. Just because there is some content accessible to low level players in it doesn't make it bad.
Plenty of MMOs have similar missions having you risk yourself to get to a point in a higher level area to deliver a message and tease players about whats to come.

It's commonly used enough.

Leveled areas are not exclusive to MMOs, and nobody but you have even mentioned MMOs, you've been screeching it in every post now, but even MMOs put low level content in high level areas all the time. So that point is moot.
But once again, leveled areas in an open world concept is NOT INVENTED BY MMOS

Because you keep bringing MMOs up as some triumph card like a moron.
You brought it up like 20 posts ago, for no reason, and then kept screeching it when everybody blatantly ignored the part where you said MMO on, because it's deflectoin.
Like you're doing now.
Like a fricking moron.

The first usage of MMO is a moron who thinks leveled areas was invented by MMOs, or the game was set up by an MMO, and somehow read the word "MMO" in my post that did not mention MMO at all, but the moron must've never played a classic RPG game so makes sense.

In just about every single RPG in existence have higher level areas you can access early, and still grind out, and these high level areas are attached to low level areas, sometimes with low level missions inside them!

The first usage of MMO is a moron who thinks leveled areas was invented by MMOs, or the game was set up by an MMO, and somehow read the word "MMO" in my post that did not mention MMO at all, but the moron must've never played a classic RPG game so makes sense.

The fun part is he is ignoring when I point out that even MMOs that he brought up out of no where have high level shit you're supposed to come back to in low level zones or have you go through high level zones to reach other low lever zones. He's baiting at this point.

Does classic wow teleport you into high level areas and give you quests in high level areas?

Source? Post proof of vanilla WoW forcing low level players through areas where they can be oneshot as fresh characters

thunder bluff is an island

most people take a blimp there, also Orgrimmar is where all the DLC content is accessed, are you claiming that a fresh character running to a high level DLC area in an MMO is somehow a defense of elden ring's design?

Again, you're claiming accessing DLC content as a fresh spawn in a 15 year old MMO is a defense of elden ring's disjointed design

Why not just play a stage/level based action game if you're going to have a melty about choices in an RPG?

>most people take a blimp there
Yes, but small brained morons like you would walk there on foot since you are able and nothing is stopping you and no one reads quest text. You'd walk through the Barrens and get your ass handed to you and then cry about being made to go to a high level place.

I'm not claiming anything.
I'm not that same anon.
Once again.
>most people take the blimp there
is the the exact same statement as
>Most people take a warpgate to the shrine in Caelid and then teleport out from the site of grace back to Limgrave

Why not just play a stage/level based action game if you're going to have a melty about choices in an RPG?

i swear to god, plebs like you need to be euthanized ASAP. You´re the reason we´re in this mess anyway.
>the world isn´t balanced because i cant curbstomp anyone at any given time.
I also assume, you´re a fan of enemies scaling to you, as moronic as your takes are.

>elden ring has good game design
>I'd compare it to being a fresh spawn in a 20 year old MMO that I've never played and trying to figure out what to do while being overwhelmed by DLC
wow that's high praise

>if you don't like bad game design I'm going to flame you!
okay shit eater

>DLC
..........................................
Die
In a ditch
Especially slowly.

>being mentally moronic and not knowing what to do
This is exactly how you describe your own experience with Elden Ring, kek

I've barely played WoW; I'm not defending it. I'm sorry you were born (or made) "mentally challenged", but your posts are amusing for it.

On the topic of schizophrenia - there are at least three different people you're replying to. I never brought up WoW until you did.

I played the game blind, and I knew to get the frick out because everything was taking much much longer to kill than where I was. You have to be brainless, not even brain dead as that is too much brain power to have, to think you're supposed to stick around unless you want to kill things slowly.

You aren't. You're being a moron who gets high on (you)s.

The absence of game design isn't "giving the player options"

There is no "absence". The only "absence" is here is your brain being absent of your fricking skull.

Cry about being called out as moronic all you want, you're a moron and you will be reminded of it every second you decide to keep posting.

>he says as he posted no argument to start with
moron
I hope you get off on these (you)s.

>noo your experience doesn't count but my experience does
Re, Tard.

>own made up experience
>nooo yours is made up, mine is real
Re
Tard

>see if I just deny your acknowledgement as being made up I can be as moronic as I want and that's why you default to calling me a moron
Of course.

>If say it's bad design because I ignored all the signs then that means I'm right and not a moron
Indeed. You got it my man.

Calling it "bad design" isn't an argument, it's a statement. But of course a moron wouldn't know the difference.

Repeating the same thing over and over isn't an argument either. But again, a moron would think it was.
>denies any thing that proves him wrong
>then says he wins
Pottery. We can go the whole thread till bump limit but I want to take a nap and I'm sure everyone wants to get back to Marika fricking so have fun with your last word reply and remember, you're a moron for life.

You saying you beat the game isn't actually acknowledging the game's design
>this is bad design
>well I dodged the bad design on my horse so it's not bad design
cope

Arrest, not with your attitude.

>nuh uh
cope schizophrenic

sorry psychopath but you're under arrest.

nta but I completely disagree Elden Ring has a lack of balance. Getting teleported to Caelid is a joke Miyazaki plays, and it's intended to be substantially more difficult than Limgrave. Explore for 10 minutes after escaping the Crystal Tunnel and you can find a warp point back to Limgrave.

If Elden Ring truly lacked balance it would force you into Caelid from the beginning and lock further areas behind it. But the game doesn't do that.

Yes, if you watch one-hit guides on Youtube and spend 30 seconds buffing before a fight. That process is so tedious I've never been tempted. Just give me a +25 Guts Greatsword with Giant Hunt please, I'll do the rest myself.

>y-you wouldn't know!
Seriously, who are you quoting?

You're insane.

Who are you quoting..?

Well using basic logic if they gave a boss 50,000 HP, which is 2.5 times the highest HP from the last game we can agree that it wasn't because they wanted the boss to get one-shot.

If you can't even admit that you're an unsalvageable schizophrenic

Since you lost the last argument about how you can't actually say why the game is good and that you should simply "run away" from all the bad design the conversation was continued with the assertion that "actually Elden Ring well designed because you can run away from the bad design", which is just you repeating yourself and samegayging after losing the last argument.

The thing is you repeated yourself when replying to a post about balance instead of game design which sort of doesn't flow logically. So when I replied that being able to one-shot 50,000 hp bosses is a lack of balance your brain broke because you're actually like 80 IQ.

You can't even answer if you think it was within the dev's intentions to make a 50,000 HP boss be able to be one-shot.

You might actually be moronic

>I'm not the same person
Then why is your argument still "ride away on your horse from the bad parts of the game"?

You're also the same person that's already said "being able to easily one shot bosses isn't a balance issue because you only know about it because of YouTube videos".

Your attitude and blatant samegay shilling for the game by advocating ignorance is a "bad thing" because it prevents actual discussion of the game.

>d-don't talk about the game jus ignore it but still post about it

Is that why there's virtually no threads since release that actually talk about the game? Because you're in every single one spamming schizo nonsense about ignoring the game's faults?

Fromsoft putting so many % damage modifiers in their game to the point that it enables you to one shot bosses at level 1 implies a complete abandonment of any real design philosophy which opens the door to sub par elements of the game not being "by design" and actual genuine frick-ups that they didn't foresee

>>this is designed poorly
>well it's not because this other thing isn't designed poorly
That's not a defense of the original thing that's designed poorly

Lets imagine for a moment a world that fromsoft has no idea what they're doing

????
You're the one saying that "you can't just put me in a high level area!!!!!" and then being a moron about it by trying to say that level zones are an MMO thing and then being shown you'd be a moron there too and now you're trying to.....I have no clue since you're so goddamn moronic.

Giving the play options isn't bad design, it's good actually. You took the moron option. You are the brainless moron who decided that yes, I will ignore everything telling me this is too much for me and won't leave. You didn't even have to fast travel, you could just walk out.

>pretends he wasn't comparing WoW to elden ring after he loses the argument
>I don't even paly WoW lol
holy schizophrenia

He isn't me you goddamn brainless moron.

>most people take a blimp there
Yes, but small brained morons like you would walk there on foot since you are able and nothing is stopping you and no one reads quest text. You'd walk through the Barrens and get your ass handed to you and then cry about being made to go to a high level place.

???
You quote the wrong posts?

The blimp was added in Wrath newbie

>nuh uh
cope schizophrenic

>semantics
why are you so butthurt that you claimed the game has traditionally leveled areas and are a proven liar?

FYI, there is a blurred line between trolling and just acting moronic, and you are far on the latter's side.

>There are no low level ares in high level areas
>there is one place
whew

>an entire low level hub in an end game area doesn't count
lol

>nuh uh
cope schizophrenic

>Just because a low level area that players are free to teleport to from another low level area for a questline that's optional
Again, that isn't the only warp into Calied, there is a trap chest that warps you there as well, not just D's quest line.

>That shit triggers my OCD. Its fricking annoying to leave an area especially one that the devs just drop you into with no warning before all content is exhausted.
That is a you problem

>The game doesn't handhold you on what to do
>the difficult enemies you encounter aren't enough to tell you "Oh shit this place ain't playing around."
>One of the few things the game tells you to do is to follow the grace lines and wow would you look at there there are grace's with grace lines pointing you deeper into the area! Almost as if the game is TELLING you to stay.
But the difficult enemies are telling you it might not be worth staying, and its right next to the low level area on the map, maybe I should just go back now!

The Tree Sentinel at the very beginning was a big fat message to players saying "It's okay to run past something that's too difficult for you right now". Any player who either spent 3 hours killing the Tree Sentinel there, or walking past it should have already been taught the lesson that high level things can be lurking just around low level areas, and that it's okay to move past them and revisit it later when you're more prepared.

Literally, right outside the tutorial area they give you this message.
I don't know why it's hard for people to understand.

The "frick off" message is that you got warped by a fricking trapped chest. Do you think traps are supposed to be helpful? That they are supposed to put you in nice places and hold your hand and pet your head while telling you they love you? The frick.

>over 100k souls at game start that you can invest into vig
>a cool ass weapon the gargoyle drops
You didn't get nothing.