>Developers didnt seem to feel they needed it, he said.

>‘Developers didn’t seem to feel they needed it’, he said. ‘They weren’t really making the most of the PS5 in the first place,’ he added.

with games now taking 5-8 years to make, console generations need to expand. we're talking 10-12 years at least. there are still devs out there making games for PS4 so wtf are we almost at the point of Pro, which means we're a year away from PS6/Xbox rumours. it's moving too fast

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have a backlog you're eating well. PS5 is definitely my last Playstation console, they peaked here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PS5
      >peak
      No moron. They peaked with PS4. All they had to do is add more RAM and a better graphics card and leave everything else the same. And yet they still managed to shit the bed, but again they didn't go full fricking moron like Microsoft so everyone sucks them off. Honestly, PS5 will 100% be my last console and I'll start saving up for a better PC. The only way I'd even consider getting a PS6 is if they somehow lowered the price of PS Plus but asiatic israelites being asiatic israelites, we know there is no way in hell that's happening (unelss they add a cheapter option for just online play only) so yeah frick Sony. It's not as bad as Microsoft and Xbox but it's still bad to the point where these Black folk don't deserve my money anymore.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        both of you are crazy if you consider either to be better than PS1 or PS2.
        The first two consoles were incredible, PS3 was terribad, PS4 a massive step up from there and PS5 a nothingburger.
        PS4 library is great but it can't compare to PS1/2.
        The only thing I'd give it is the online experience, which takes first place together with the 360, edging out the original xbox

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >PS3 was terribad, PS4 a massive step up from there
          More than half of PS4 games are just PS3 remasters you imbecile bandwagoner. The reason PS5 has bad 1st party is because of idiots like you who bought a PS4 and then bought PS3 remasters only.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao, I don't own a single remaster on PS4 except Wipeout Omega, go suck a tailpipe.
            Besides, the essence of my post was saying PS4 was overrated, which your frothing childlike mind seems to have glazed over

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You could say is between the first 3 japanese consoles.
          I'm inclined to say is PS2 because every fricking one had it at one point
          4 and 5 are shit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm oblivious to jap PS3 exclusives.
            Any must-plays?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PS1 didn't even have 30 fps you moron. All PS1 games are remastered on PS4. Kys

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and leave everything else the same
        No. The cpu needed an update. Its unfortunate that they designed the PS5 2 years too early. Another 2 years and they would have been based on Zen 3 ryzen cpus and be much better systems for it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It really doesn't, game developers need to learn how to code and now is a good time to start.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, the PS4's cpu was trash because it was based on AMD's shitty bulldozer's architecture. It 100% needed to be upgraded in the PS5

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If devs could get shit like Uncharted 4 & Spider-Man 1 looking and running as well as they did on a PS4, the problem wasn't the CPU.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and Breath of the Wild can run on the Wii U's geriatric CPU, doesn't make the hardware any less shit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By the end of the lifespan devs were also able to get the cell to look good and play really well. It's not because it was good, but just pushing the parts to their limits. We really can't that anymore since everything is just custom laptop apus. I'm not saying we won't get those crazy looking games anymore, but I doubt we'll see much improvements these days. Especially with the rise of upscaling tech.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We really can't that anymore since everything is just custom laptop apus.
                Yes we can? That's like saying the Switch can't be put to the metal just because it's using an old Tegra ARM processor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but it's not quite the same as sony investing millions into tech. I bought a ps4 early in the life and things looked about the same from the start to the end. Sometimes it even feels like it regressed. Look at something like Bloodborne or even the mediocre infamous second son.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sometimes it even feels like it regressed
                I'm feeling the same shit last gen as I am this gen. Ample power meant devs have cross-gen releases or visual tech hasn't caught up yet that allowed everyone to target 60fps with ease, and then mid-gen we're back to barely holding 30fps as more post-process filters get slammed in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ps4
        they peaked with ps3, ps4 also didn't had games and it's weird how people are realizing that PS5 has no game when the situation was the same for the ps4.
        ps4 only had bloodborne and that was it. the 8th gen of consoles was the moment when i made the jump to pc gaming since consoles where fricking awful that gen

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PS4 had multiple titles. Just because it didn't have games YOU dumb autistic Black folk on Ganker wanted to play didn't mean that the millions of other people on the planet didn't enjoy the games and console. You Black folk are incapable of seeing anything outside of your autistic perspective. UI-wise they might've peaked with PS3 but the actual console, graphics, games, etc peaked at PS4. Then with PS5 they started changing shit not to improve but changing shit just for the sake of changing shit which is moronic and also why Microsoft is failing.

          both of you are crazy if you consider either to be better than PS1 or PS2.
          The first two consoles were incredible, PS3 was terribad, PS4 a massive step up from there and PS5 a nothingburger.
          PS4 library is great but it can't compare to PS1/2.
          The only thing I'd give it is the online experience, which takes first place together with the 360, edging out the original xbox

          Wrong moron. PS4's library is immensely better than the PS1 or PS2 simply for the fact of the sheer amount of shovelware on that shit. I grew up on PS1/PS2 but nostalgia glasses isn't going to change facts.
          >nothing burger
          Kys for talking like a homosexual but the main reason why PS5 is shit, which there are many reasons, but the main culprit is the fact that these Black folk think they're making """""ART"""". These homosexuals take 3.5 years to make one mediocre ass fricking game and the best part is that said game is STILL broken and glitchy as frick on release requiring multiple patches, with content being cut and then added on later as DLC, as well as being riddled with microtransactions. It's BEYOND a fricking clown show. I am not religious but I genuinely fricking PRAYING for the video game industry to crash so all these homosexuals end up homeless.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He thinks PS4 had games
            Get off the kool-aid homosexual

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >PS4's library is immensely better than the PS1 or PS2 simply for the fact of the sheer amount of shovelware on that shit.
            You realise the ps4 has far more shovelware and low quality AAA games right? That's why people say it has no games, it's either trash or multiplats you'd rather play on PC.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >PS4
        >peak
        This has to be bait. Sony's decline literally started less than halfway through that console's lifespan and has only gotten worse since, and this decline was reflective through both first party titles and third party ones because they kept forcing every developer to censor their games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the actual frick are you on about?
      Sony peaked at either PS1 or PS2 depending on how you look at it.

      PS1 was a genuinely good system.
      PS2 only had the most games because Microsoft pissed off the Japanese and Nintendo had shitty discs and a bad controller.

      Was your first console a PS3?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS3 was my last console ever. I stuck with it until 2012 when it finally actually got some fricking games but it was too late at that point. I realized I got the shit end of the stick with multiplat games too. Seriously such a fricking garbage console

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They peaked with the ps1 and have been getting a little bit worse with each new system.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Playing PS5 game in graphics mode at 60 fps makes no sense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      since when is 60 fps an achievement or a selling point

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        since last gen tendie

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since consoles

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Consoles have yet to achieve 60fps across the board they're in a 30-45 range for a lot of games

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is not true, check wikipedia and you can see a majority of the ps2 and ps3 library are 60fps (this all applies to Xbox as well)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Consoles have achieved 60fps since the NES and before, PS5 is no different
          It's the shitty devs that can not make their games run 60fps no matter what hardware they have because they have ZERO optimization skill
          It's literally all the developers fault and even if you give them the FASTEST CPU and FASTEST GPU on the entire PLANET to develop a game for they still couldn't make it 60 fps because they are moronic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It really is this, but with consoles Gen takes years for devs to take full advantage of the hardware. By the time they've learned tons of tricks to optimize performance the next console is around the corner

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This was true back in the day, when devs actually knew how to code and would bash shit together in assembly to eke out performance. Shit like Crash Bandicoot had other devs whining that Sony had given them some secret tech or something, they literally stripped the system down to the bare metal and invented a bunch of shit to make the game work.

              Modern devs are bloated jeet farms who couldn't optimise an asset if their lives depended on it. Games like Half Life were made with a polygon limit PER SCENE lower than the number of polygons in a modern nose model, because that's what they had to do, to get shit to run. Now if it dips to 10 fps on console, who cares? Throw another few hundred gigs at it, max out those draw calls. Modern games are built multi-plat, and on layers upon layers of abstraction because the base system is too complex and it's easier to just build for standardised architecture so porting is less of a hassle. None of the jeets know why the game starts hitching if you look behind you, just take the Morrowind approach and reboot the whole system during a loading screen on Xbox when the memory fills up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No true current gen games are 60fps on console. Elden Ring, Spider-Man 2, Dragon's Dogma 2, FF7 Rebirth are all below that. There's no way in hell GTA 6 will be 60fps either.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since consoles adopted HD and widescreen as the standard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most people can barely notice graphics mode vs performance mode differences.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The pro part of the product might suggest it's for a market niche that wants a superior experience?

        The frick up for the last 2 console generations has been to not have multiple sku's day 1 as the high end can afford to buy the higher end repeatedly for only marginal gains.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Multiple SKUs
          >They can't even keep enough of the one in stock
          Think with your brain, not with buzzwords.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most people can barely notice graphics mode vs performance mode differences.
        It is very noticable in VII Rebirth. That game was designed to be played on the PS5 Pro.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The PS5 Pro's CPU difference is a 10% clock boost. From my short memory it's PS5 CPU 3.5GHz to 3.8GHz. You're not jumping from 30FPS to 60 FPS lad, not even on a PC with that type of ""overclock"". If you're a graphic prostitute 60FPS on the dot type of person, just fricking build a PC. You either got Performance or Graphic options on console, be grateful you get that unlike older gens or when it was a "Pro" console only feature. The PS5 Pro serves no real purpose, it's not going to be a GTA6 60FPS machine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        don't underestimate mark cerny and his secret sauce

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The GPU is limiting, not the CPU.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In this case it’s the opposite
          The ps5 apu is essentially a gimped 2700x paired with a 6700xt and game devs are already struggling with cpu performance if dd2 is anything to go by so all the pro will do is potentially enable frame gen, Pssr, better ray tracing and likely better hdmi so actual 8k this time, so you can play gta 6 at 1080p upscaled instead of 840p

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >PS5 CPU is LE BAD
            AMD Jaguar on PS4 are genuine fecal matter CPU and we had games designed around them for 10 years.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              because those game's were developed by the last remnants of good developers who cared for their code, now everything is coded like dragon dogma and beg the processor do miracles with their code

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And? It still won't change the fact you think 10% extra CPU performance equals to 60fps when there are straight up 30fps games now and in many games the 60fps mode is more like 40-50.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >game devs are already struggling with cpu performance if dd2 is anything to go
            Wut? Black person's Dogma 2 is struggling even on PC, but that is due to spaghetti code and developer incompetence.

            >In this case it’s the opposite
            You have no idea what you are talking about. Sony is going to lift the GPU limit by putting a larger GPU into the APU and shrinking the die size. BOOM more FPS. Raising the CPU clocks will also bring a few more FPS.

            All said, I am not even snoygayging here. I don't even like Sony. This is just a completely objective evaluation of the PS5 Pro. You are either some dumbfrick fanboy or have very little knowledge of computer hardware.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The gpu on PS5 is gimped, this was showcased by recent microscans of the chip

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The PS5 Pro's CPU difference is a 10% clock boost.
        What about the GPU, moron?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Around 30-60 FPS are generally GPU limited not CPU

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People don't want to believe it, but these days the cpu is mattering a lot more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >CPU mattering more again
            >Games are STILL not doing anything technically advanced relative to prior generations other than better sorting/culling with foliage, which sane devs have the GPU do anyways

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dude I'm not into tribalistic console war stuff. I have a 3090 gaming pc with a 5800x3d and a ps5. It's just as we keep moving forth this gen we're getting more and more cpu choking. My bro has a 3080 ti and gets more frames than me in some games because he has a 7800x3d in his build.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >console
      >60fps at >1080p
      Name five (5) games. Go:

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you're implying you're getting 60 FPS with the PS5 Pro, then you're in for a rude awakening.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People only pick up a PS5 to play Fifa or COD. The only thing they need is fast internet.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are overestimating, it'll hit at most 60fps in performance mode until devs shit that up again, by "optimizing" to pro. Its fricking hilarious that console Black folk need to run PS4 version of elden ring on PS5 to get 60fps

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea, remember how the PS4 Pro was going to run every PS4 game at 1080p60.
      Then like 2-3 years later it was running games at 1080p30 or 1440p30 while the PS4 ran them at 900p30 or 1080p30.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon the base console is barely keeping up at 800p.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PS5 game
      I don't follow

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PS5 game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS5 game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dude this time it'll totally be 60fps!
      it's the same old song every gen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >New console announced
      >Consolegays think they're going to get 60fps out of it
      The eternal cycle..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Moose

      You people said this with the PS4 Pro and it didn't happen there either. Performance modes sometimes dropped to 30 FPS on the Pro so it was far better to just use the 30 FPS Quality mode anyway, Quality modes never hit 60 at any point, and outside of a very select few games it never ran at 4K. There is no doubt in my mind it'll be the exact same situaiton here with Quality being 1440p or native 4K at 30 FPS while performance will still be 1080p or 1440p at 60 with drops.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Digitalfoundry already said the PS5Pro improvement is not enough for 60fps because the CPU is the same. They bank on higher res and better RT which may not even result in something most people notice.

      People are in for a rude awakening.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Games already run at 60 FPS on the system so that makes no sense... it's not enough for the 30 FPS only games to run at 60, but there aren't that many of those

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Games run 60fps.....for now. Nvm that some of them go as low as fricking720p to hit that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's what the PS5 Pro is for, what the frick are you on about? Lowering the resolution wouldn't help the CPU

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Lowering the resolution wouldn't help the CPU
              It does though. Look at the FF16 test where it can't even get close to hold 60 outside battles at 1080p and switches to 720p in battles to hold it (with dips). 60fps modes are always way lower res in every game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but there aren't that many of those
          Yet. 2024 is the year where most major developers leave the old gen completely and it shows. And don't mix having a 60fps mode and a game actually running at 60. A VRR compatible, preferably 120Hz display is mandatory if you want to play 60fps in this because most titles dip way below all the time. Resident Evil Remake 2-3 is probably one of the more egregious example where 2 out of the three graphics modes are pretty much unplayable on PS5 because it doesn't have low framerate compensation. Elden Ring is between 40 and 50 all the time, if you want 60fps you need to play the PS4 version.

          All Sony tries to do with the Pro is providing a clearer image, not fixing this problem. And the games that are only 30 will never be 60 which is a pretty damn problem when the last system seller GTA6 will definitely not have a 60 mode. Digitalfoundry joked unusually lot about how this upgrade is essentially worthless. 8K still won't be an option, it won't add 60fps, the higher res and rt is questionable at best.

          You know what is most likely? The Pro will be an excuse for devs to optimize even more poorly for the base system. Just like with the Xbox One where ports began going downhill after the One X came out. Devs just said, "well if you really care you buy the X anyway".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Digitalfoundry already said the PS5Pro improvement is not enough for 60fps because the CPU is the same.
        If they said this, then they are moronic. The new GPU has more than double the processing capacity.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Digitalfoundry already said the PS5Pro improvement is not enough for 60fps because the CPU is the same.
        This is complete nonsense. The PS5 has an 8-core Ryzen CPU and it is not underpowered like the Jaguar CPU of the PS4. Ergo, The PS5/PS5 Pro CPU is not a limiting factor like it was for the PS4/PS4 Pro.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First of all, it is worse than stock Zen 2 CPUs.
          Second, it could be the best gaming CPU on the planet, devs would still find a way to make games run worse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah because that totally happened with the PS4 Pro, which was a much bigger upgrade than the PS5 Pro. Delusional moron, probably underage too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are very aggressive and have a very dirty mouth, you Black personish man-child.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ps5
      >game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Games should have been 60fps for over a decade by now but devs and execs are too moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Consolekids think 60 fps is alot
      Cute

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You will keep playing them at 30FPS and early adopters will star playing at 10FPS since no one will ever bother optimizing for old ass hardware
      See PS4 pro and New 3DS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Nintendojitsu

      Achieving 60fps in 2024 is not an accomplishment.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, considering most western developers are just political activists holding a medium hostage, this should be a surprise to no one.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >implying there's a point ot any console

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is. Wii games would've never worked on PC
      >b-but you Wii mote works on pc
      4 people standing 3m away from a 24" monitor sure sounds great.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >with games now taking 5-8 years to make
    Yeah ok. They shouldn't though.
    It gives us fewer AND worse games.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, bigger investment means they have to risk less in other areas, therefore worse game. Nobody wins with this shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the main reason I feel the PC space is absolutely thriving despite the state of AAA game performance on it. We're just getting so many more games faster and raw well before any potential console release comes to light, even if a fair bit of it is early access jank.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We don't need it
    >*cue screens from Digital Foundry showing <insert AAA title here> running at 20fps.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're going to piss off so many people (myself included) if they release that fricking thing in the next year or two. If they're going to start making this half-gen upgrade thing commonplace, they need to offer some kind of trade up policy. It kind of fricks over people who just got a PS5 to then have to turn around and pony up again if they want the best possible experience.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it always was like this. Since PS1 you had a slim or something version of the same console; from ps3 onward you also had a better version of it. Like, where is the surprise here?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pro upgrades are different to slim upgrades
        A ps3 slim was a massive price and size cut from the original and it used less power same with the psone and ps2 slim
        The ps5 pro will be bigger than the ps5 if the ps4 pro is anything to go by
        It might cost more than 499 and it’s an even worse upgrade than the ps4 pro.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't remember the PSOne, the PS2 slim, and the PS3 slim offering any performance upgrades

        also would be laff if this is the last gens of home consoles as they are that ever happens

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those just made the hardware smaller, they didn't upgrade the actual hardware at all. They looked more trimmed down, but the actual guts were essentially the same.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, like you can solder a SATA header on the slim's board iirc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA and you are right but to me I think the difference is by now in other gens, the OG model had already come down decently in price or at least there had been plenty of holiday deals that occured before the newer model came out. In other words, most people that wanted one had already had one for a good while before the updated model came out. This time around though, the OG PS5 models are still $500-$600 dollars even in the secondary market. For both the poorer buyer and the saavy buyer who might not think consoles have quite the
        value they used to have, that price is either unaffordable or just plain stupid to pay in this economy. So you are going to have more upset people this time around because you're gonna have more people who hesitated and put off the purchase for a while and only just got it relatively recently. Sad part is, even if they still haven't got one, the price on the OG models in the secondary market probably STILL won't come down.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I totally agree with you. I think this gen as a whole has been a complete failure, gens ago the old hardware was thrown off, meanwhile I'm still buyn games for ps4.
          Imo no games are the real problem. consider that devs need time to learn how to squeeze power from a console, so if you have a big release every 1,2 years we will see the endpoint of ps5 when, in frickin 2030?
          the counter point is that sony/m/n want to sell a new shiny toy, but frick it we are going backwards. They should push 4k 144hz 120fps rock solid, meanwhile we are still in the shitter playing reskin of assassin's creed 3 and frickin mw2.
          Also next gen what they are gonna push, 500gb install for a 10h single player? A budget for 2 Marvel movies?
          Oh I'm laughing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If GTA6 actually does end up getting delayed, that's going to be the killing blow for this generation (or at least crippled past the point of meaningful recovery). 6 fricking years for a SINGLE killer app to justify getting one of these (relatively) expensive consoles that won't ever officially lower in price. And we're not even talking about an exclusive here.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        None of those had better hardware that improved games.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they want the best possible experience why are they getting a console to begin with?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What ps5 needs is games. A lot and quick. A ps5 pro is not fixing that.

    And by games i mean stuff you cant play on the ps4 at all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Game devs in general can't make ANY good games these days, and you expect them to somehow make a good PS5 exclusive?

      Short of bribing Fromsoft to make a new game like Bloodborne, Sony doesn't even have that many options. It makes sense that they focus on slop like Spider Man because at least it's guaranteed sales from a small cadre of absolute morons.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dragon's dogma 2 just released
    >has exceeded the scope of ps5 hardware and cannot hold a stable 30fps all the time and cannot dream of exceeding 30fps at all
    >moron western developers cannot see the point in more power for hardware despite this
    I guess I shouldn't be surprised given these are the sorts of fricktards who can't even understand why a benchmark of a perfect 30fps should be industry standard and they're used to releasing outright broken games day 1.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Using the game that can't run on a fricking 4090 as an example
      lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        works perfectly on mine dipshit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          post fps in vernworth
          and post hand 🙂

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            40 fps with every setting on highest

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >works perfectly on mine
              >40 fps on a RTX 4090
              What's your definition of "perfectly fine"...?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's just a hub for triggering cutscenes and accepting quests, there's no real gameplay to be done aside from that so 40fps isn't a big deal

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I disagree, the game should always feel smooth as your hardware will allow, and a $2000+ should guarantee at least 60 FPS at the worst moments, and it's not really the fact the FPS drop to as low as 40, it's the constant stutters that feel awful.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're right but it's not gameruining

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but it would be game ruining for me. Knowing I bought a 4090 and 7800x3d to at 30~40 FPS under any circumstances is a deal breaker. I've played a ton of games on this setup that look a million times better and none of them were this bad, this is inexcusable.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but I feel like RE Engine just isn't meant to be open world. The way they've programmed npcs and tracking could be an engine limitation. I dont see how "bad programming" could frick up the cpu load so hard that wouldn't be an easy fix if it wasn't a core problem with how the engine itself handles things.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fps sucks on pcs because of drm
        >fps sucks on consoles because it exceeds their abilities
        My point remains immaculate. Switch "dragons dogma 2" with "final fantasy 16" if you want to be pedantic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay. $2000 RTX 4090 can't either. Thank you for being obsessed with a graphical arms race. Thank you, it is healthy for the game industry. More and more power. Forget the lack of enemy variety and short campaign, it's the power power power power graphics that matter about Dragon's Dogma 2 discourse. FYI PC are fricked too.

        https://store.steampowered.com/app/2054970/Dragons_Dogma_2/

        That's why the Steam reviews are poor. But yeah, send in the PS5 Pro. That'll solve its issues.

        Anons it's not a 4090 that can't run it. Just hubs run like crap. On my 3080 ti I'm at a constant 60-70fps while fighting and exploring.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Okay. $2000 RTX 4090 can't either. Thank you for being obsessed with a graphical arms race. Thank you, it is healthy for the game industry. More and more power. Forget the lack of enemy variety and short campaign, it's the power power power power graphics that matter about Dragon's Dogma 2 discourse. FYI PC are fricked too.

      https://store.steampowered.com/app/2054970/Dragons_Dogma_2/

      That's why the Steam reviews are poor. But yeah, send in the PS5 Pro. That'll solve its issues.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >graphical arms race
        It cannot be stressed enough that this is not what is happening at all, unless you want to call it a race to the bottom. No one is pushing graphics further, they are pushing pointless gimmicks like raytracing because diminishing returns have far exceeded 99% of players' ability to notice any difference at all, and the performance impact is so egregious that consoletards are legitimately defending upscaled 720p at 30fps as an acceptable standard for a console that literally advertises 8K resolution on the box.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Come on now. I didn't buy DD2 and I'm sure it has cool world simulation, but it's obvious there's something very wrong with the game. There's no way the simulation is impressive enough to murder a 7800X3D like that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anon, you are the moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shitty optimization doesn’t mean the PS5 can’t handle the game. But this is also the same gen where games get RTX modes added that run at 10fps just for screenshots I guess? Elden Ring on PS5 with ray tracing is unplayable, there was no reason to add it. At least Cyberpunk ray tracing is 30fps.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >programming npcs like shit means exceeding the limits
      Yanderedev exceeded the limits of PC

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game has shit optimization on base consoles
    >we don't need a pro
    XVI was the game that ultimately convinced me the pro was necessary.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    havent bought a console since the xbox/dc/ps2 but i'd be even less likely to do so these days knowing a mid-gen refresh was going to inevitably come along anyways. seems like they all do it now

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alot of morons here thinking the CPU won't be a bottleneck.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will it run Stellar Blade? That's all any straight man cares about.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only reason I even bought a PS5 is because I found a broken one being sold on letgo for $75 and then I got it fixed for $100. $175-$200 is precisely what its worth. Maybe.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The best experience I've had on it is Gran Turismo in VR with a decent racing setup, but that ended up costing me a little over $1500 for everything required.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's right. I bought a xbox series s for 150$ from Costco, not sure what I would get out of a series x or ps5 except more storage. I'm sure it has more megashits per gigafart.

    Let's get the most out of the current hardware before moving onto new ones. Otherwise you're only going to learn the bare minimum of every piece of hardware that releases

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol, the Series S is genuinely shit compared to Series X or PS5 though

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its because the cpu is the same with a tiny oc so yeah doesn't help cpu bound scenarios.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A PS5 Pro isn't a bad idea to try to revive the PS5, the problem is that if you don't have enough exclusives for it it doesn't matter.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only roughly 4 PS5 games don't run at 60FPS. Dragon's Dogma 2 Steam reviews are bombarded with negative reviews because they can't get 60FPS even with the $2,000 RTX 4090. Interesting times.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has nothing to do with the the gpu

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The gpu is shit too. Only a moron buys a gpu worth more than 300$.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay turd worlder pablo back to your favela with a gtx 970

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The standard PS5 and XSX are already powerful enough for 4K / 60 fps. Even the Xbox One X could do native 4K without any upscaling bullshit.
    Right now, devs are prioritizing stupid bullshit instead of relying on good art direction, which leads to shit performance and shit visuals. More powerful consoles are only going to enable more lazy pajeets pushing barely functional trash.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of crack are you on?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's called reality. There's an unofficial patch that enables Driveclub to run at 4K/60fps if you a hacked PS5. Are we going to pretend that game is ugly now?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cherry-picking

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's just an incremental update like with PCs

    and people who talk about "generations" all the time have autism. it's not the 80s or 90s anymore

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the whole point of a platform originally was to control a walled garden and compete against other technologies by having a stable target that works the same for all users.

    besides switch, i fail to see the point of modern consoles too. their only selling point is the online services you are forced to subscribe to. and when the console dies, so do all your games. frick that nickle and diming bullshit.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally what fricking games can the PS5 play at 60fps 1080p NATIVE? no upscaling checkerboarding bullshit.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But will the Pro be not ugly and not xboxhueg? These are my conditions for purchase.

    >games?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >games
      lol, lmao. It's a display piece, not a gaming device.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have both a PC and PS5. The only games I play on PC which aren't on PS5 are VR games and Sim Racers.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you ever play a game on the PS5 if it's also on PC? If it's on both there is zero point to the PS5's existence.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would you ever play a game on the PS5 if it's also on PC? If it's on both there is zero point to the PS5's existence.
            Because I'm not a fricking spastic involved in some console/pc war bullshit.
            My PS5 cost £380 , my PC cost over £5k. The PS5 gets me 80% of the PC for 13% of the price.
            I usually buy on PC first and if I like it and want to play online with friends I double dip the PS5 version.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good shill. Keep paying double for an inferior experience.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm glad you admit that your a braindamaged pc moron. There's a reason a majority of people use consoles but keep pretending your inbred ass has a functional brain.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because normal people aren't moronic subhumans like you and the other pc Master morons.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry you wasted your money on a console with zero games but that's no reason to seethe at people smarter than you.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This gen is a crazy mess. Look at something like Jedi Survivor. Doesn't it run at something like 800p upscaled to 4k in 60fps mode on PS5? Like games cant even run in 1080p.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not really making the post of PS5 in the first place
    >but still cannot into 60 fps 1080p.

    Consoles were a fricking mistake

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beyond consoles, it's the result of talent drain and ESG policies. Turns out when you are openly hostile to people who are actually good at their job they leave. Who knew?

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point is to try and convince people to buy another piece of hardware at a higher markup because software sales are in the toilet.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >developer
    >some side scrolling 2d shovelware slop

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ps5 pro

    Buy a switch
    Buy an Xbox series s to play the few decent games not on switch (elden ring, resident evil village, etc)

    Otherwise you're paying too much to play video games or have shit taste in general

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Explain why anyone would want to develop natively on a ps5 rather than a ps4 and port it to 5 later. Everything 5 can do 4 can as well albet with a slightly worse resolution and loading times, but those can be fixed with a quick port or a 4 pro.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS4 definitely shows its age RE4 remake was pretty ugly on it compared to the current gen versions

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weren't sales only a little behind the ps5 version though? What incentive is there for devs to bother developing two versions?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The PS4 sku was ahead of the PS5 version in Japan. I'm not sure we got console splits elsewhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS4's (And Xbone's) CPU is weak as frick, you definitely do not want that.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    will the ps5 get 1 (one) memorable exclusive before the end of the gen? not even talking about quality, just a game that'll be associated with the system in the future? doesn't seem like it'll be the case

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's no point because the primary bottleneck in the ps5 is the dogshit cpu, and the ps5 pro has the same cpu

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This mid-gen refresh shit makes me seethe. There's nothing wrong with the PS5 - just like there's nothing wrong with any other consoles. They're fricking consoles, not PCs. They will always be limited, and it's up to the developers to work around that.

    Every machine since the PSX could do 60fps, but the key is that the teams who made the games were smaller, better organised and talented. Call me a /misc/tard all you want, but DEI shit and hoards of pajeet contractors have made AAA development a mess, on top of a bloated corporate structure.

    Also, frick gays like Digital Foundry for obsessing over shit like raytracing, ambient occlusion, shadow maps, bloom, GI, and every other pointless flourish that every game MUST have otherwise it'll apparently look like a dated piece of shit. Art direction is a thing of the past, apparently.

    Games like Metroid Prime Remaster or Super Mario Oddysey still look a lot nicer than anything I've played on PS5 and XSX. Actually, the best looking PS5 games I've seen are FF7 Remake and Ghost of Tsushima - fricking PS4 games that are allowed to run flawlessly because they aren't pushing the latest tech slop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The NES could do 60fps

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spending an extra 600 dollars is not worth going from 30 to 60fps in the graphical intensive mode specifically.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one is buying a PS5 at $500, you better believe no one will buy a "pro" at $600+

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Will it fix bad examples like both new final fantasy's? I didn't buy them because compromising visual for framerate is stupid. Especially since both games in performance mode look really bad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It definitely wont make those shitty games good, no

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also, wasn't ff7r supposed to be a ps4 game at first?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i mean, ps4 series or whatever the frick they were heading with this franchise

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entire purpose of the PS4 pro was to enable people to play 4k games on their new 4k TVs. There is no purpose to a PS5. It's trying to appeal to the high end gamers who need the most expensive possible hardware for the slight improvement in graphics. But those people are not going to buy a PS5 pro, they're playing on PC.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The PS5 isn't even used for being a PS5 because there's no PS5 games made for it, its all ports or a fancy ports, its literally a PS4 pro 2

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    seriously, think about how few ps5 games there are that actually put it to its full potential, it's basically a handful, if that and most have already been ported to PC.

    >Horizon Forbidden West
    >God of War Ragnarok
    >Demon Souls Remake

    That's pretty much it, those games are all I can think of that actually push the limits of the console and look fantastic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll agree on forbidden calories and Ragnacuck, but demon souls looked really bad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The NPCs do but the environments are pretty great looking.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know. I didn't quite like it very much. The game could of looked nice, but that requires you to set it to quality mode which makes it run at sub 30 fps.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shame about the art style

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spider-Man 2 looks phenomenal except for the character models which are confoundingly horrible

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >500hz refresh rate pc gaming monitors are releasing now
    >consoles still can't maintain 30fps
    lmao

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This console generation will go down as one of the biggest failures in gaming history

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the switch is the new PS2 though

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Switch is from the previous generation.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's some giga cope but it would explain why it's also the only one with games.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It came out three years prior to the PS5 anon. Half of its worthwhile library are WiiU ports still.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thats not how Generations work, nor did Sony lead off after the crash, but okay.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the ps2 has a massive library with a lot of good games. the switch has a tiny library of bing wahoo games, its shit

          Frick off tendie

          Eric, it's not Thursday yet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Quiet Sean.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the ps2 has a massive library with a lot of good games. the switch has a tiny library of bing wahoo games, its shit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope harder snoy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your a moron, as to be expected of a console waring inbred. Of course your gonna act moronic and say nobody buys switch versions of games despite much more people having a switch. Sorry your mother drank before you were born, you'd probably have a meaningful life instead of being a moron on Ganker.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cope, you know I speak truth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            its shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the ps2 has a massive library with a lot of good games.

          Which makes the PS5 and it's so few games pretty embarrassing to look at.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off tendie

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not for Nintendo

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is going to buy a more expensive version of a console at the end of its lifecycle that isn't even getting a single video game this year?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the same people who bought a portal so that they could play spider-man in bed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll probably pick one up the day my launch PS4 dies. That's about it. If they really wanted to sell me on a Pro, it'd have had full (or close enough) BC with my PS1/2/3 discs.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much is it even gonna cost? $600? That's gonna be a though sell on these days.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      $800 plus tip

      Digital version only

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What I take away from this article is Western developers getting catty over the expectation their games should run better instead of like dogshit.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Competent people play on PC, casuals play on cell phones or mobileshit like Switch. Consoles are stuck gunning for the middle market which ain't much

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Sony, like, genuinely not seeing all the red flags of AAA development and how unsustainable it's becoming? Why else make a pro version of a console barely anyone can get the most of?

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pro models are quite literally a scam unless you have money to burn and even then its not that big of an upgrade compared to a next-gen console

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >‘Developers didn’t seem to feel they needed it’
    >"They weren’t really making the most of the PS5 in the first place’

    >games running at upscaled 800p 20fps

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This console generation us great. PS4 hardware sucked.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do chuds keep holding back gaming by not buying more Sony Play Station 5 (tm) systems?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PS5 is so powerful that anything is possible on it.
    Just because devs pick absolute bare minimum standards to target, it doesn't mean shit about hardware. Just look at Dragon's Dogma 2.

    The point of PS4 Pro was 4K displays. The point of PS5 Pro would be what?
    CPU is the same, at best higher clock, and higher clocks in Ryzens don't do shit. GPU is a marginal improvement, seems like the focus is hardware accelerated AI upscaling, while AMD is showing upscaling improvements with FSR 3.1 and is about to also use AI. Also AI doesn't need dedicated hardware, it can work on shaders and some shader based models are faster than typical spatial upscaling methods

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The point of PS5 Pro would be what?
      Hopefully to give devs an option that isn't fricking FSR, because it's obliterating any detail you'd otherwise get at a native 4K resolution target while adding artifacts all over the place.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Running Unreal Engine 5 games at better resolutions. Not upscaled 843p.

        It's reportedly just about 45% faster.
        You're not getting 4K 30 fps or even 1080p 60 fps, until dev really want to on base PS5.

        As I said, the problem is developers, not hardware

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd simply be content if the hardware has enough to bruteforce native 1440p/60fps and some not-upscaled antialiasing solution. You have to account for shit devs/devs with no time, just as the PC playerbase has for years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Running Unreal Engine 5 games at better resolutions. Not upscaled 843p.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's gonna sell gazillions anyways, let's be real. If the PS5 is selling with no games, then the PS5 Pro will probably be the same way. Probably not as much, but there's gonna be a market for it just because people like buying shit.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'd make more sense to me if Pro just became the mid-gen refresh (at the same price) with a slight performance boost, rather than being a two-tier SKU released later in the generation. It's a waste of fricking production having two sets of consoles.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PS5 might as well be PS4 Super Pro
    A PS5 Pro would just be a PS4 Ultra Pro.
    They're still making fricking PS4 versions of games. It's only until very recently that were seeing PS5 only games. What's the fricking point?

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Making a PS5 pro when there isn't even any actual reason to make one
    Why? You can't even say because of money because most people don't even OWN a base PS5

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the weird oblong cylinder
    I haven't bought a console in forever, why do they have such moronic shapes?

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw just wanted 1 single device that can play PS1---->PS2----->PS3-----PS4 games & can fit inside a bundle or backpack to bring down at friends house

    Is it really that hard........?

    Are those handhelds like the rogue alloy & steam deck there yet?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For everything but the PS3 yes*

      *for the PS4 you're better off just getting the PC ports of the games then trying to emulate

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agree 100%.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are right though, when devs have to make shit playable on Xbox series s, this upgrade is pointless. Even if it wasn't though it's such a meager upgrade for a lot of money, and console players actually think this is what pc people do kek, pay like 700 bucks for 10% upgrade.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have they considered NOT making Hollywood movies disguised as interactive experiences that they loathe to even call video games so they don't take 8 years to make though?

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'll be just like the PS4 pro where the problem was that many devs had to go back and manually update their game to fully take advantage of the performance boost. It's why Bloodborne was capped at 30fps no matter what.

    Because it costs devs money to push out updates on consoles, cause they have to pass certifications every time, nobody actually did that shit. So devs that coded their games to have a locked frame rate of 30-60 fps had almost no actual benefit while lazier devs that had games with unlocked frame rates unironically lucked out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bloodborne was never running at 60 anyway, as the Dark Souls 3 Pro patch can attest.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Bloodborne 60fps fan mod for modded ps4s proved that BB could have been patched if Snoy wanted to.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >FF16 will now play in 1080p 30 FPS instead of 720p 30 FPS

    Wow, this will surely be worth the 600-700 bucks they are gonna charge for this thing.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Sony and M$ both already say they wouldn't make consoles anymore?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, Sony said that the PS5 is at the end of its life and that they are disappointed with the sales.
      MS meanwhile said they have no plans for a Series-X refresh and that they lost that generation - Courtroom leaks show they already got a new generation in the making as well.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I skipped the vanilla console since I knew they'd roll out a Pro sooner or later, so it was not pointless

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >games now taking 5-8 years to make
    that's not the normal, that's their own fricking problem.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *lazy/incompetent devs make games run at 720p on PS5*
    >hurr durr what's the point of a Pro???
    Are they moronic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you genuinely think that they're suddenly going to make 8k/120 games with a pro?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uhhh no?
        But any improvement in resolution is better than nothing for people on 4K TVs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Practically everyone owns a 4k TV yet consoles can barely handle resolutions of 800-1080p upscaled, I just plug in my PC to my 4k TV to actually get 4k at 60fps

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >console gens going too fast
    No, you're all just too slow due to hiring lazy, worthless diversity goblins.

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