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You play Diablo for the story and the atmosphere tho, entirely different demographic from the gacha PoE crowd.
this i think. path of exile is more like those freemium mobile games
>path of exile is more like those freemium mobile games
moron detacted
POE isn't gacha it's a diablo 2 clone
Diablo 2 was the proto-gacha game lol.
dumbest post of the year
How to spot the zoomer and PoTard
>it's a diablo 2 clone
might have started out that way
PoE is like what happens when you let fans of a game do what they want with it. After a while it just gets out of hand and unrecognisable from what it was
i doubt nublehzard can pull of diablo1 goat atmosphere even though they try hard.
How is PoE gacha
tencent casino
Have you actually played the game?
Diablo 3 had no story or atmosphere. What the frick are you talking about?
Diablo 4 will be fully pozzed with a shitshow of a "story" about as deep as a sidewalk puddle. All of this because Blizzard has been long dead for many years and there's no actual leadership in the company.
Previews are saying they nailed the diablo atmosphere in D4.
Well previous can suck my wiener.
>Previews are saying
are you a genuine shill or just a moron?
A butterfly killed Cain. So there's that.
Moot point since diablo 3
>play
>blizzshit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY FRICK
This, you play diablo to unlock the cinematics, the rest is a bonus.
you say that when Diablo 4 is going to drop with god know what cancerous predatory scheme
just look at Diablo inmortal
>Diablo 4 is going to drop with god know what cancerous predatory scheme
They have already made it very clear exactly how they are going to monetize the game. Box cost + $10 battlepass for every new season every 3 months + cosmetic cash shop + expansions.
>Diablo post 1
>Atmosphere
2 was lacking and 3 was a Disney production.
>looking forward to something made by troony entertainment
>in 2023
Yes , cause PoE engine is shit
Also , pants
poe only appears to a certain crowd of lifeless losers
PoE is fricking garbage though, not that D4 will be any better
PoE is pretty budget looking and the ONE MILLION PERK trees are bloated as hell so... yeah?
Yes. Path of Exile is so unbelievably bloated, unbalanced, and overcomplicated at this point that it's become pretty much unplayable, and with them making the moronic decision to make POE2 be just an expansion to POE rather than a legit sequel, they ensured that that's never going to change.
D4 looks great, and exactly like what I'm looking for. A AAA ARPG that has enough depth to create interesting build options and customize your stuff as you see fit, but remains understandable by the average person without the requiring the aid of build guides, dedicated build software, spreadsheets, and hours and hours (days) of planning time outside the actual game just to experience all its major content.
but dont you fear blehzard has dumbed it down to appease the casual crowd?
diablo3 is a fricking disaster in retrospective and right now d4 looks like a d3 without the wow flamboyant coloring.
D3 plays great but has major issues that can be fixed. So if D4 is literally just D3 with actual endgame and proper loot it will already be a great game
what? d3 felt dead. the endless skill tree reset made every character feel the same. you never had the feeling your choices have some sort of finality.
also the random dungeon generator was cringe simple.
the atmosphere was hysteric trying to blockbuster the whole game felt like a michel bay movie. while diablo1 had a claustrophobic angst like the exorcist.
better engine , better netcode , combat is way better than PoE.
At least it's better than both having 99% of your choices be red herrings, and not being able to easily reverse them.
No. D3 was arguably already that, and from what they've presented of D4, it looks like a happy middle ground. An actual skill tree and stat points, but without complication for complication's sake.
Yes.
I want more ARPGS. I want more diablo-likes. It might happen that one of them could be good every once in a while.
Only poegays are so mindbroken by their little skinnerbox that becomes more and more boring and annoying with every league that they wish for other games to not exist because one that might be at least half good would blow their pathetic no-life out of existence.
If D4 is good, great. If Last Epoch is good, great. If they make another arpg and it makes cuck gayson shit his pants in fear, GREAT.
Only morons limit themselves to one game.
PoE has been shit for like 5 years
GGG can't balance for shit and spend more time adding bloat instead of refining mechanics
Skill gems are lame.
No, nuBlizzard can't make good games anymore
I will never buy any blizzard game no matter how much you try to shill. tell your masters to frick off.
Path of Exile is a fricking mess, barely qualifies as multiplayer, is hamstringed by slavish adherence of D2 convention, and becomes P2W at endgame.
The developer is in a constant state of fixing what isn't broke, tinkering with the loot system and difficulty in a way that makes the game miserable the play and undercuts people's established play styles constantly, after forcing players to establish rigid play styles in the first place. They do this by marrying your skills to gem upgrades; and then making your ability to progress contingent on synergies between that gear and a massive skill tree in which the player establishes a singular path through a maze of abilities and upgrades. All this would be kind of cool were it not that skill respec is enormously expensive, not affordable until endgame, and at that point only affordable if you participate in the player economy and sell in such volumes that real-world purchases of stash tabs are an absolute requirement if you want to accomplish anything - especially respec - in any reasonable length of time. Bearing in mind that the game revolves around seasonal runs during which game-changing world events are added and then often lost forever.
Put simply, imagine having to progress through D2's skill tabs in a single path, and only being able to respec one step at a time by paying with runes that begin dropping at level 78.
>and becomes P2W at endgame.
What the frick are you talking about? I can understand the others, but the closest thing to p2w is just buying 3 stash tabs.
oy vey just buy 100000 divine orbs off RMT sites so you can afford a build enabling item anonberg
You dont need to buy any items you fricking scum. Every league SSF players reach level 100.
>just play 15 hours a day every day for 3 weeks and you might be able to get 1/1000th of the player strength of someone in trade if you're lucky and have a streamer account
SO MUCH FUN
>RMT that gets you banned is p2w
Jesus christ, this might be the most moronic thing I have ever read.
You absolutely need stash tabs if you want to play any sort of endgame. Frick it, im running mediocre maps, and i can fill a whole regular tab per map of nothing but currency. Start running actually beefed up maps and you will be taking several inventories of currency out of a map. Good luck handlight that without a currency/essence/div card/fragments/delirium tab, and a few quad tabs for dumping shit.
The f2p mode of poe is pretty much a demo, or a trial.
I'm just getting started. Path of Exile is only just barely a multiplayer game. Most of what makes it multiplayer is in fact the item trading. You will never find someone in the game who is near to where you are in progression, and since repeating the campaign is no longer really a thing you also won't find people willing to start new characters. The campaign is egregiously long, and quickly becomes prohibitively difficult if you don't adhere to a theorycrafted and tested build such as seen above. Note that these builds require collecting specific items, again in the vein of D2, but these items are so astonishingly large in number that you will spend hundreds of hours collecting and trading. This would be great fun if it weren't mostly accomplished by farming currency and trading, during which you will need to use an alternate version of your build (also theorycrafted for you and absolutely required if you want to survive basic trash) and then pay per-node to respec with your level 78 currency.
Note that level 78 is not considered anywhere close to endgame. I, with some 350 hours played, have never even seen endgame or left the equivalent of D2 normal difficulty or D3 campaign.
The idea of finding some people online and hopping into any of this for a quick session or an evening's serious content run is out of the question. But even at the start of season, when many people are low level, playing with other people is difficult to impossible because the party UI gives no information about a party's progress except for a note they added when they set out. You will join a party, find them halfway through a map they have not cleared, struggle to reach them on the map, then learn that they have already triggered quest progress or events which you cannot now activate. This requires you to find another party. When you find a party which hasn't done your quest yet, they can and will find ways to ruin your quest progress so you are forced to reset the map.
Let's see your currency tab alongside your three stash tabs.
>fixing what isn't broke
I wish there would be any fixing attempts at all. They currently got to the point where they just ignore a problem an move on.
And you know what... it still is the best arpg on the market despite that.
Back to the mess part. This is a game with a hardcore mode and constant lag and rubberbanding problems which kill people regularly. Fortunately for us, hardcore mode doesn't mean permadeath - it just means early delivery of your character to the non-season league. There is no hardcore mode. And this is such a tiny concern compared to the rest of this stupid game I don't even know why I am mentioning it, except that it is further ruined by the universal experience of rubberbanding, cpu freakout, and server burp death depending on what season you are playing.
Boss fights in this game happen in tiny rooms and allow death zerging. This alone is reason enough not to play the game.
The original "composer" stole most of his music from some unknown film composer's soundtrack to a forgotten suspense movie. Instead of coming clean and paying the man a tiny chunk of the (at least) $200 million Tencent spent to buy this game, they removed most of the music and replaced it with canned le exotic middle eastern gladiator fanfic. I love ingame music and haven't been forced to shut it off since Tabula Rasa, but I sure as hell shut this shit off, and I don't think they ever gave the original guy a dime.
This has become a bugaboo post and an appendix to the others. Let's talk about what the world was like at the turn of the century.
Last frame is redundant.
Back in 1998 and 2000, we didn't have quite so many games. It was within the realm of possibility to play every RPG available for PC, and almost none of them had the equivalent of a New Game+ mode. With the exception of a very few online games, when you finished a campaign there was nothing to do but start over. Forcing you to make permanent choices in Diablo 2 (and at the time they were in fact permanent) made sense, because this was a game designed to be replayed many times with brand new characters.
Nobody has time for this shit anymore except for people who have decided to spend all of their time on a single game. No thankee. I like video games, I like having a massive Steam backlog, and I enjoy being able to sample multiple builds and play styles without having to reroll my fricking character. I am fine with D2 staying how it is, and I think it's kind of a shame they added respec at all. But to use D2's special place in its time as a reason to b***h about D3's easygoing approach to skill loadout is stupid. D3's best quality (and there are many) is its willingness to let the player experiment with skills and change loadouts, not just for fun but to suit whatever gear you happen to find. This means no grinding for best-in-slot unless that's what you enjoy doing.
Set bonuses ruined this a little, but it is still possible to work your way through the game's difficulty levels, collect gear, and create your build as you go based on what gear you find. This means you play it how the frick you want to, and very often you will use a build no one else is using. I have spent hundreds of hours in this game doing shit no one else does, and so has anyone who doesn't opt for build grind. I don't make it all the way through the torment system, but the endgame is just tiresome enough that I don't want to.
The only down side to this is that as the season goes on, it becomes difficult to find people to play with.
>im okay with games continuing to be dumbed down and over simplified because i am a consumer and must consume the next product
There's nothing smart about Diablo 2. You are a moron if you think this is a game that challenges your intellect. Post proof that you are the author of any successful build in any aRPG. Frick off, you followed somebody else's build like 99% of the player base. D3 is the first of these games to encourage creative problem solving in the player's approach to the game.
Posting the greatest game of all time so you can spend the afternoon seething instead of posting midwit cliches in my Diablo thread.
This is true. Inferno was infinitely better than the Torment levels we have now, because you can ease your way through Torment incrementally and it's essentially the same experience over and over again. There is no increase in difficulty except for an identical increase as you begin each new level. Instead of adding them (up to Torment XVI last I checked) they should have increased the difficulty of Torment VI and spread them out, so that moving from T1 to T2 became a truly difficult and harrowing experience the way Inferno was. I have never been so frightened or focused in a boss fight as I was in the elite packs you had to contend with there.
This was when there was no limit on the combination of affixes they had access to, and in fact there was at least one combination that rendered the monsters invincible. It's sad what became of this. The affixes can now only exist in certain combinations, and if I remember correctly at least one of them was removed outright.
Almost as bad is what was done to rifts because people wanted to move through them linearly and b***hed about getting lost. Originally the game just dumped you onto a campaign map and hid the exit somewhere. This was fricking awesome in a party with the difficulty ramped up a bit, but it's boring solo and most people like to play solo. Worse than boring, it prevents people optimizing their time and creates a pause in the constant, zero-risk AoE spam which makes up most of endgame now.
>The original "composer" stole most of his music from some unknown film composer's soundtrack to a forgotten suspense movie. Instead of coming clean and paying the man a tiny chunk of the (at least) $200 million Tencent spent to buy this game, they removed most of the music and replaced it with canned le exotic middle eastern gladiator fanfic. I love ingame music and haven't been forced to shut it off since Tabula Rasa, but I sure as hell shut this shit off, and I don't think they ever gave the original guy a dime.
can i have a sauce on this. sounds crazy interesting.
You shouldn't be excited for D4 because the last decade of Blizzard should serve to anybody who isn't explicitly a paid shill as a warning sign of what's to come and what to expect.
Any ARPG balanced around trading is instantly dogshit.
Fact.
Agreed. Only problem is, there are 0 isometric ARPGs with no trading that are releasing or being made.
Eh, D4 has trading but it is limited and it will really only be useful for the high end min maxers. No one is going to need to trade to find the items they want. Blizzard actually found a pretty good middle ground for Trade in D4. It will be useful for turbo autistic minmaxers. For the other 99% of the playerbase they can just ignore it because D4 isn't balanced around trading at all and everything can be self found.
D4 has that homosexual open world shit and 'world bosses' with forced multiplayer
miss me with that shit
I liked Sacred , I eat that shit up every day of the week
I don't want to play with some homosexual randoms
I want to play by myself for 99% of my playtime, and then run some bosses with my friends for the other 1%
Frick Blizzard
Last Epoch.
They took Tencent's money and ran.
The game is dead
It is the only Isometric ARPG I am holding out on. If we don't see 1.0 by the end of 2023, I am declaring the genre dead and die of a broken heart.
>path of exile
This isn't even a video game though. It's a chink gold farming simulator for addicts where you farm currencies so you can then buy the items you want. Gameplay, story, presentation, etc are all completely superfluous in PoE. The combat system is horrendous. Every single build does the same thing, just a bunch of AoE fireworks that instantly kills a hundred enemies with 1 click.
Diablo 4 is an actual ARPG video game where the focus is on the combat and content loop, story, presentation, art, etc.
Do you want to know why it's called Diablo 4?
Because there are only 4 stats!
1 more than PoE then
pretty good
PoE Sisters how could we get so wienery!
willpower is vitality?
No vitality stat probably because everyone gets a standard amount of overall life so that with proper gearing and tree decisions you'll end up reasonably survivable, rather than having to play path of life nodes and dedicate 80% of your levelling decisions to that leaving only a small amount for actual fun stuff.
rip hardcore mode.
homie slow down this is getting crazy complex
good thing they dumbed it down to offense and defense
It's posts like this that show most people who come into ARPG threads have never actually played them or just played them extremely casually.
These guys are talking about D4's attributes without even knowing that D1 and D2 had the same number of attributes, and PoE has even less.
lmao
a good 90% of the seethe against blizzard games comes from extremely low IQ individuals.
You defend the game being reduced into 3 categories?
Those are averages taken from the rest of your actual attributes, affixes, skills, paragon glyphs, etc. It is a cosmetic UI visual.
There's a panel you can click on that shows all of your actual stats broken down into a million different categories.
Oh, so it's just diablo 3 again huh. Frick, I bet talent trees are the same too.
>Here's 5 rows of 3 columns and you get to pick one per row. Enjoy your build diversity :^)
I'm sad Diablo is a dead franchise.
I'm more sad that GGG fricked up PoE.
We've already seen how the loot works in this game
How are you Black folk this stupid
Do you genuinely enjoy the taste of Blizzard wiener or is this just Stockholm syndrome?
Its not about sucking anyones wiener you projecting homo
you were literally posting false information
>ESL moron posts bullshit
>gets proven wrong
>immediately starts seething
big blizzard wiener living rent free in your third worlder head
Diablo 2 Resurrected is being handle by a small group of incompetent developers adding imbalanced charm affixes and rune words.
Diablo 3 is a joke of an ARPG, even if it is feels satisfying to cleave 15 demons in half every 2 seconds.
Grim Dawn does nothing to innovate the genre and was the Diablo 2 II to fill the void whien Diablo 3 shit the bed, now that resurrected is out GD has no purpose in the ARPG world.
Torchlight Infinite is ruined by greedy developers who needed to make the game F2P so they can milk everyone for all their money.
Path of Exile single handedly ruined a great game by nerfing every and all viable option for end game, buffing monsters to absurdity and reducing the drop rates on every item to astronomically abysmally low rates so they can boost the trade economy. SSF in PoE is the worst SSF experience in any ARPG to exist.
Diablo 4 is shaping up to be Diablo Immortal - PC Edition with the always online instanced world building and simplified attribute system (lmao4stats)
Last Epoch has a skeleton crew working on the game despite being bought out by Tencent. The game has bee in Early Access for 4 fricking years and we're still short 3 Masteries. Multiplayer finally comes out in two months but at this point, who the frick is still playing
This genre will die.
There is no hope for the future.
Like most people, you are underestimating Diablo Immortal because of how reprehensibly it has been run. The problem with Immortal is you get over it, because the game is fun and it gets frequent content updates. Since launch they have added nine of what they call raids, which are just 8 man boss fights in a single room. Each of these has a different gimmick and a different set of bullet hell ground-rune dodging to contend with. A new dungeon was added in October, a new world zone in December, and another new dungeon is happening in a few weeks. A mini battle royale similar to Gubayashi Arena was added at some point. There's a rumor we are getting world PvP soon with capture points. Two onslaught defense modes. After many months of getting used to it, the warband system is working, and having a mini-clan who meet several times a week has become a thing I look forward to.
I think the development team is pissed off that D4 is launching before they could get this game into full swing, and are determined to survive and outlive it. Some of the P2W elements have been nerfed and may be nerfed again. World PvP may render them useless entirely as the overworld is split into the equivalent of torment levels, and the whales are all going to be in the same zone together.
I will add that Immortal has also solved the problem of set bonuses, with the main set of armor being made up of normal legendaries, and the secondary group (rings, amulet, belt, gloves, shoes) always being set items. This means you never have to give up an armor affix you like so you can have a set bonus.
Bonus weekly reminder that I am the only person on this board who is having fun playing Diablo. The rest of you play vidya mad and alone because you are moralgays.
Shows what you know, I'm playing Diablo. Pretty easy to find pirated copies of the first game.
I didn't say you aren't playing Diablo, I said you aren't having fun. And I can tell you aren't having fun because the most exciting thing you have to say about it is you saved ten dollars.
I'm enjoying 1.14d. LoD. I know what I like and don't like so why should I keep harping on nu-Blizz, D3 and D4 when it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Ill enjoy D2 classic some more until another isometric arpg hits the market that is on par with D2. PoE was close but dropped the ball last year. Last Epoch has potential, but in dev hell.
Yeah. It's a shame that Immortal got bogged down with the legendary gem debacle because the actual game is great. It makes me very hopeful for D4 as well. I hope D4 gets great post-launch support like Immortal.
Didn't you need like 300,000USD worth of purchases to cap a single character? You can't fly those kinds of numbers and not get shit on.
yeah. they deservedly got shit on. whoever greenlighted immortal's money making scheme should be fired and never let near a game again
>NetEase
>Headquarters: Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China
You know who.
Man. The D2 thing hurts. The game really feels so good in the remaster, and then they made it always online, and started pushing fricking balance changes for a game that managed to hold an audience for fricking decades. WHY?
>WHY?
Probably because not everyone is mentally ill enough to play the same broken classes and OP items for 30 years straight
None of the updates changed that though, they just made Hell as a difficult irrelevant.
The changes are good though.
They fix the shit skills that no one used and gave a way for people to actually play Hell mode without having to run one of the 4 cookie cutter specs
>fix skills no one used
People literally used every skill. Also if every skill is just as good as another, you take away any meaningfull choice, and everything becomes mediocre.
And again, does not explain how players were fine with all those shit skills for decades, but now suddenly it has to get fixed or the game dies.
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS USE THE SAME SKILLS BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!
>YOU CAN'T LET OTHER SKILLS BE BALANCED THEY HAVE TO BE GARBAGE OR ONLY USEFUL IN 0.000001% OF SITUATIONS!!!
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Implying its not fun to challenge yourself by beating the game with subpar skills.
Implying part of the fun in D2 was not trying to make jank work.
Implying you are not a adhd zoomer.
>skills that no one used
You can just tell us you didn't play Diablo 2 anon, it is okay. I'm glad you enjoy ressurected. But don't pretend you played the original at all.
probably because all the gays that play diablo 3 wouldnt shut the frick up about wanting really stupid changes
I gave up and downloaded 1.14d to play on my own. I'll Hamachi with friends but that is about it.
I just want to play through the story and left click on things.
frick off with your gacha blizzard
if you could make your own isometric arpg, what features would you add?
what would you not include that's currently popular or included in other isometric arpgs?
>what would you not include that's currently popular or included in other isometric arpgs?
An offline single player mode with in game options to let people tweak droprates.
How much tweaking?
NTA but I'm thinking of having that as a reward for defeating the big bad.
Give me an example of how you imagine it, since it's either very easy or very annoying to implement
I'm not saying making things guaranteed drops, but like moving something like a zod rune from 1:2560000 to 1:25600
Making it realistically possible to get on your own without devoting your entire life to the game.
since you mentioned specifically zod, would you want to be able to pick a specific item and alter its drop rate?
or more akin to "all the incredibly rare items should drop more often" type of deal
A more generic drop rate slider rather than specifics.
Zod was just the one I remembered the absurd numbers for
that's realistically about 5 seconds of work. all i'd need is a slider tied to rare item drops.
i'll be sure to include that as a NG+ reward.
>i'll be sure to include that as a NG+ reward.
based
Make a game with an interesting/immersive story
Make a game with a reasonable amount of depth, like D2 or Last Epoch. Stay way from PoE/Grim Dawn levels of autism.
Seasons are good for a game like this, PoE did this well.
Trade should exist like PoE and D2 but in game item drop rates should not be impacted bt the existence of trade. PvE should not suffer due to trade existing, if sacrifices are to be made then Trade econ players just need to cope with lower prices.
I believe PoE's gem system is fantastic and should be implemented. Allows more versatile skill uses is a better approach at build diversity than 158912348 nodes on a talent tree. But I don't know how to balance a game around both gems and unique classes/subclasses.
I want atmosphere/story/immersion like D2.
I want gamefeel like D3/D4/PoE, it is satisfying to hit shit in these games.
I want Seasons from PoE
I want Last Epoch crafting.
I want Last Epoch/D2 Talent Trees
I want Last Epoch sub-class masteries system.
I want Last Epoch's/D3/PoE end game system
I want D2 Ubers to return in some capacity.
I want trading to take a backseat when it comes to balancing item drop rates.
>Single player or private server with 16 players
>Simulated open world with randomized ai factions roving about
>towns springing up and getting clobbered by roving world bosses
>just random cause from mobs interacting
>all quests generated based on faction needs and diplomacy
I want modernized drox operative but as a fantasy diabe-girlke
>cause
Chaos*
>what features would you add?
-cosmetics customization
-skill experience
-class creation based on current skills leveled and stats
-co-op skill synergy
>what would you not include that's currently popular
-fixed class at character creation
-more than 2 currencies
-item sockets
-instances
-healing orbs
-balance around high level unique items
-identifying stuff
-a million crafting materials as drops, occupying single inventory slots
-pathway map design
Remember how you couldn't even dodge melee attacks in D3 because acti-blizz can't code for shit?
Friggin poe had a big desync problem just trying to deal with the netcode that lets players dodge attacks.
Why would battle pass D4 be any different?
Have you played D3 recently? It's gameplay is buttery smooth. It's very simplistic, but god damn is it responsive in a way that PoE will never match
The ONLY thing D3 got right was the smoothness and polish of the basic combat.
And frick no I quit that trash quickly after launch. I kept forcing myself to play it thinking it would magically get better. It hadn't set in yet that the Blizzard I know and love is long gone.
Keep in mind the polish of the combat was cosmetic only since you couldn't dodge a melee attack if a monster had already started it. There used to be tons of webms around of this.
Why expect anything different from this?
>"it's LITERALLY impossible for a game to improve after release"
>Why expect anything different from this?
Your only complaint, no dodging, has been answered in Diablo 4. There is a dodge mechanic that they heavily incentivize to the point that it's pretty much required at highest levels.
Lmao, so they took the dodge mechanic from the D3 Console port and implemented it in game for everyone? Oh lordy this game is going to be shit.
I liked D3 console though. Was comfy co-op
POE is entirely balanced around it's dodge skills as well. So it's not like you have an option here out of these two.
How does Blizzard even manage to maintain such good faith form their consumers? How much of these posts are marketing ploys and how much are braindead morons who buy product because of franchise name alone?
It's been 10 years. Why the frick is D3 still the game with the best engine? After some time , "Blizz bad" should stop being your only marketing strategy
PoE mogged D3.
Then PoE mogged itself.
>d3 best game
The frick are you smoking?
Diablo is a movie with a game attached. The last movie pissed a lot of people off. I liked it. It was predictable but the film was well made. At least in D4 we're not telling people to git gud or use specific builds. There's a few builds and they all work to differing levels of skill type and strategy. It's more of an adventure. You can be a Z if you want and still hurt stuff in the open world because if this game is as fun as it wants to be there will be people there. The game seems to know when I wanted to be left alone too and I noticed I didn't have a lot of people around when I was playing a certain way or trying to avoid people. Maybe it's just a coincidence though. 😛
This is the only one (1) good thing about Diablo 4.
The druid looks amazing.
It is unfortunate that his forms are limited to singular attacks rather than actual forms. But it is what I expect from a Company who keeps simplifying their games for the mobile audience.
I saw quite a few druids idling for over 15mins at world boss that stayed in their wolf form the whole time. *shrug* I don't know if I would want to be a werewolf for more than 15 mins at a time but I'm not a furee
So, if you played D4 closed beta, how pozzed it is? Dragonflight levels of disgustingly pozzed, or?
About the same tbh.
You're buying a modern Blizzard title, you should know what to expect by now.
So it's full of gays and trannies?
Words go here.
The D4 skill trees are literal trees.
https://geekculture.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/diablo-4-new-skill-tree-system-1-1385x1536.jpg
link to image because some moron got me rangebanned from attaching images.
You posted a picture from 2020. The skill trees haven't looked like that for ages.
I got it for "free", eo I don't really care that much about the price tag.
One of my friends is. He seemed very surprised when I told him I wasn't getting it, since they've consistently shat the bed with every Blizzard game I used to play, and I just don't care to subject myself to their bullshit again.
>Limited trading/personal loot
>Open world
That will be $70+tip
I already pre-ordered the Ultimate Edition for Xbox Series X and there's nothing you can do about it
>Not getting the PC one
ngmi
computers are for work
consoles are for gaming
simple as
consoles are for children and literal homosexuals/trannies
PCs are for everyone else
simple as
Diablo 4 will be forgotten within 3 months while people will still doing baal runs and grinding out characters and runes in Diablo 2/D2R
nice fantasy
D2R was forgotten a month after release though. by the time the ladder came out like 90% of the playerbase had quit lol
D4 will be huge
D4 will be huge because morons will buy it and eat it up because of the namesake alone.
Blizzard has no reason to cater to D2gays since they very clearly didn't care for D3, and they have d2r to frick with. D4 is for D3 fans and consumers
As it should be. Frick D2morons. A remaster is all they get.
Delusional blizzshill cope
Nobody gives a shit about D4 , and diablo immortal has tainted any slight hopes that D4 won't be a glorified diablo themed casino. while the same boomers who have been playing D2/R for the past 23 years will contuine to do so.
>Nobody gives a shit about D4
You said the same about D3 and then it became one of the best selling games in history with over 30+ million sold
>Immortal
Even with its fricked up chink monetization it's still one of the best and most popular mobile games in the world.
Keep seething, delusional boomer homosexual.
D2R is dead as frick and D4 will shit on all other ARPGs.
>sells = quality
Weak bait sis
D3 is well known to have the best gameplay of any ARPG and it has not been surpassed in a decade. D4 is the only game that will surpass it, and it is also fixing the issues D3 had with itemization, skills, etc.
Keep seething, delusional homosexual.
Why are you so hungry for (You)s
D3 may still be the best selling PC game of all time. It's hard to know for sure because all of the contenders are multi-platform, but it's in the top four. Immortal isn't even really a casino. Endgame raiding and PvP depends on P2W gems, but the rest of the game doesn't. I refuse to spend money on this sort of thing but I am in a top clan that regularly takes the immortal crown, and most of the people I play with are whales. The way scaling and difficulty work in this game, you spend most of your time farming dungeons and open world at the same difficulty as whales in your difficulty setting, and the way clans work everyone benefits from working together at this.
The reply was to an assertion that nobody cares about the game. You can install D3 right now and find people to play with. You can't do that in D2 without Discord or an established clan.
I don't judge games based on popularity, only if they're good. Sorry d3shill
Your reading comprehension needs some work, or you are just a dishonest asshat. There are posts all over this thread debating the relative quality of these games. You made a point of zeroing in on a discussion of their popularity so you could opine about whether you like them or not. What is it like to be so bad at discussing something this frivolous, that you deliberately avoid the discussion you belong in so you can snipe at people who are talking about something else?
Why resort to appeal to popularity fallacy if you didnt want to get called out on it?
>gets btfo
>starts arguing against himself
you are positively seething
Who cares? The Isometric ARPG genre has peaked and there's nothing more to come out of it.
POE sucks dick now because of The Vision™
Chris "Baldo" Wilson managed to frick PoE harder than Blizzard fricked Diablo
People are really excited for this P2W, MTX riddled, GaaS, always online, forced multiplayer, and pozzed game?
Whatever happened to Lost Ark? Is that game completely fricked now, or just not at all liked on this board?
Devs went too hard on monetization, they also started massive banning everyone they considered "cheating". Go check their steam page discussion board, its all people crying about being banned.
That game is corean item enhancement hell. You need to endlessly farm for a CHANCE at upgrading your items.
Sacred, fun
D2, fun
Titanquest, fun
Wolcen, fun
TL2, fun
Torchlight Infinite, meh
D3, meh
D4, played beta found it to be ok
Last epoch, fun
PoE was fun, now meh
Grim Dawn is fun
Undecember is fun, but extremely p2w
Any more reccomendations?
Try Chronicon
It's an indie 2D diablo-like. surprisingly well made
D1
chronicon is fun but the graphics & UI suck balls
wish these games were more common...
The OG, the one that started it all. DIABLO
I found torchlight 1 to be more interesting than 2, I never really found 2 very appealing.
You've really been around though, I need to get around to a few of those still.
Chronicon and Hero Siege have some pretty fun classes/builds to play. Warhammer: Chaosbane is okay as well. Slormancer is alright too.
You could also delve into the Victor Vran and the Van Helsing games. They're pretty fun overall, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as classic ARPGs. They're more like streamlined ARPGs.
Honestly, yes, maybe if it's good it can get ggg off their asses to finally release 2.0 or make some sort of meaningful change.
Game feels almost the exact same since the last time I played it and I couldn't force myself to care long enough to hit maps.
I genuinely hate blizzard, but if they're lucky maybe it'll be decent in 2 years or so post release, and some variety and competition is nice to have.
ARPG genre is already cursed. Again, it's not even fault of developers mostly, but fault of Diablo's isometric formula being shit, and generally relic of much simpler times. You can't make mechanically deep and interesting game out of something where all of your actions, attack aiming, movement are all controlled only by mouse pointer. Good showcase of problem is observing meta of poe, that consistently boils down to using skills that do not require mouse pointer to be on target - minions, DoT, cyclone or something triggered by it, etc, because players are attempting to break out of limitations imposed on them by this shitty formula.
ARPG needs a different approach to controls just to give genre any hope. Something closer to souls combat maybe.
>Something closer to souls combat maybe.
made me lol
Many people get sick from 3rd and first person games. Isometric games are their own field entirely. You're basically just saying you don't like Diablo. So, keep playing Souls games... This is nothing like that nor should it ever be.
D4 has dodge now. EZ.
>You can't make mechanically deep and interesting game out of something where all of your actions, attack aiming, movement are all controlled only by mouse pointer
Are you familiar with a little genre called RTS? You know, like Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Age of Empires, etc. which are some of the most complicated and mechanically deep competitive games of all time.
Diablo-like isometric arpg is dead formula. PoE already made everything that is technically possible to make out of it, further attempts at development will only result in something that plays like shit and looks like a ripoff.
ARPG genre needs different formula.
PoE is a D2 inspired game
We just need a D1 inspired game made with competent developers and it will breathe new life in the genre
Isometric will never die. It's like playing a moving painting. FPS totally lacks the painterly aesthetic of the environment and monsters. The fov doesn't allow me to see the world I'm traveling through. I can't play a first or third person game for 10 hrs straight. Isometric games totally. Millions of people have their own reasons for liking it still too. Keep calling it dead but you're a minority.
PoE is the endgame of D2 style ARPG: braindead casino simulator that plays like absolute garbage. Melee combat literally doesn't even work in PoE, that's how bad the game is.
Blizzard took the genre in another direction with D3 and D4 will improve upon it.
D3 is garbage
>are you supposed to look forward to feces when vomit exists?
Stop playing bad games.
if you're into these sort of games why wouldn't you play both? It's not like you have a lot of choices available to you.