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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    something is hostile

    I kill it

    simple as

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you WILL NOT blast the druggies with a gun if they attack you, you will try to friendship the conflict out
    I wonder how many people this message has gotten killed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even the game realized this and tried throwing a reminder that peaceful resolutions won't always work IRL at the very end, but I'm sure even then half the people missed it entirely.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If only the game had actually made that part of its narrative rather than just shoving it in at the last second.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that was pretty stupid.
          >Erm well... just be nice to people... except don't actually because real life doesn't have gay furry monsters innit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Alright but to be real if we had gay furry monsters in real life we'd have damn near world peace
            We'd be too busy being balls deep inside of goats to fight over sand or which corrupt plutocracy is gonna oppress the slavs in one area or another

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You sandBlack folk can already frick goats

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but ones that walk upright and talk are better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you can ask for consent? Right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If anything, the monsters wouldn't ask US for consent...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They can also bathe and have intelligent thoughts

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bathing with asriel and having intelligent conversations with him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure Azzy is 300 IQ

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hell yeah I can get behind that

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The frick is a "gay Enabler"
              Like I understand what it would literally mean, but what's the etymology of it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He enables gays by turning their gay switch on. That means fricking them in the ass.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you project your homosexuality onto the rest of the world

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Be nice to people but be aware that there's people that will exploit your kindness (This doesn't require murdering them)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm more annoyed about how inconsistent it is with sparing/mercy
          There's no other enemy in the game that you can/have to kill in order to spare it, but the Asgore fight sacrifices consistency for a dramatic moment which means nothing because you can just end up sparing him anyway

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>you WILL NOT blast the druggies with a gun if they attack you, you will try to friendship the conflict out
      Did you miss the parts of the game where they explicitly state you don't have to kill anyone in-universe and meta-textually? The trailers marketing it as "The only RPG where nobody has to die"?
      It's more like a druggie attacking you but beforehand god tells you that it's possible to solve it peacefully.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sans himself tells you that killing in self defense isn't wrong during the genocide route.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Killing in self-defense isn't wrong, but self-defense assumes that you are in a position in which you would believe that violence is the only way to ensure your own safety.

          One could argue that if you are given meta knowledge that there is a way to solve the conflict without violence, then self-defense becomes immoral. If a monster is trying to kill you and you have meta knowledge that talking with it will be enough to stop the conflict, killing it would not be self-defense.

          This is why in every RPG I try to run away from a fight before fighting back. It might be a little autistic but I'd feel bad otherwise

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For me self defense also includes if you willingly let somebody go who has the potential to harm somebody else, particularly if they go an harm somebody weaker then you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >For me self defense also includes if you willingly let somebody go who has the potential to harm somebody else
              This is moronic, who are you to judge if they have the potential to harm somebody else? With this moronic logic I could kill you because you might kill an innocent person using this logic, see how arbitrary it is?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                by this logic i have the moral right to shoot you in the head because you are physically capable of killing an infant

                I see what you're saying but I'm pretty sure that anon is referring specifically to a pulling his punches in a situation where someone attacks you, and would kill you if you couldn't defend yourself. Even if you have the skill/god powers to resolve the situation without bloodshed, the person's next target might not be so lucky.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >self-defense means defending people who aren't yourself
              no it doesn't. what the frick do you think "self" means?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Still moralley incorrect.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >moralley
                brown person detected, post ignored

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then you become vigilante like Batman who isn't on the right side of the law.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              by this logic i have the moral right to shoot you in the head because you are physically capable of killing an infant

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Another important thing is that to get the genocide route you need to grind areas. You are essentialy looking for monster to kill which otherwise you would have not even encountered to begin with. This is not self-defense.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you WILL NOT blast the druggies with a gun if they attack you, you will try to friendship the conflict out
            I wonder how many people this message has gotten killed

            [...]
            No shit the humans wanted to kill the monsters, they are autistic and don't realize when they are in fact killing people. Also why doesn't the game practices what it preaches and have somebody you have to kill to bypass then?

            >can only get the best possible ending if you make sure no one dies
            >get the worst ending if you systematically exterminate everyone, including people who don't want to fight you
            >all other options are neutral endings
            >"WOOOW IM BEING PUNISHED FOR DEFENDING MYSELF"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The game kinda is saying self defence le bad. Even when a lot of these characters are trying to murder a child, I'm supposed to spare all of them? I don't think so.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >these few bad eggs were mean to me so everyone should be okay with me genociding them off the map
                shalom

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You should spare the child murderers
                Shalom

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only actual child murderer is Asgore and he gets cucked for it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right but Undyne tries to kill you, so does the robot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea and you b***h slap them both and make them addicted to human wiener.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now that would've been based

                This is moronic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's exactly what happens though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Toby isn't based enough to include something like that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only canonical difference is that Undyne's a lesbian, and even then she becomes a cop in both series.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Toby was kind of based for making the only lesbians in his game a disgusting fish and a fat ugly nerd. But I don't think he was trying to be funny with that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet you still want to frick the disgusting fish. Curious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah I wanted to frick the fat nerd, I prefer lizards over slimy fish

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Toby intended Alphys to be a dude but her sprite looked better with eyelashes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm glad he didn't, Alphys works better as a girl....... God I want to eat her ass until I can't feel my tongue anymore

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody even gets mad at you for killing either of those two besides Alphys who kills herself (good)
                Sans gets upset if you kill Papyrus or Toriel, Undyne gets mad if you kill someone but also gets mad if you don't so she's just kind of a b***h, most other characters only react if you're going full genocide

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Toriel could kill my face with her ass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game is israeli doebeit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                any outcome where no one dies is the optimal outcome.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's true up until Papyrus who refused to kill you in every route.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game kinda is saying self defence le bad. Even when a lot of these characters are trying to murder a child, I'm supposed to spare all of them? I don't think so.

                plus there's a lot of monsters you can just beat up until they surrender.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Undertale is in-universe a video game
                You're not actually supposed to be roleplaying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Undertale is in-universe a video game
                >You're not actually supposed to be roleplaying
                So it's just pixels on a screen then and I shouldn't feel bad about killing anyone

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but if you kill people you're bad at the videogame where you don't kill people.
                You aren't coming in here to say you're bad at videogames, are you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But the game also wants you to kill everyone after you do the good ending. Flowy is basically begging you to rest at the end

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you kill everyone, you're the worst (possible) at videogames.
                Are you the worst at videogames?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Huh? Also I meant to say reset, not rest at the end

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The genocide route is much harder than the pacifist route

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe it is the videogame that is bad

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm pretty sure if you frick up and kill people in the game you don't kill people, that's on you.
                I heard you can try again to not kill people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Undertale has a shitty narrative that falls apart one way if you take it seriously (ie roleplaying) and falls apart another way if you treat it as a game.
                Trying to dunk on people who point that out is just your way of deflecting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It seems to me more that you're deflecting about being bad at the videogame and are attempting to use philosophical wank to get around it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I beat all the routes in the game, which probably makes me better at it than you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean no, because any route besides the best route is inferior to the best possible one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you didn't do the genocide route, you're bad at the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To win the game you must hug Asriel Dreemurr, the Genocide route is the most not hugging Asriel Dreemurr route in the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your attempt to deflect criticism from the game involved calling player skill into question.
                Genocide route takes much more skill to complete than the pacifist route.
                I've done both. Have you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Genocide route takes much more skil
                lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So in addition to being bad at the game, you don't know what you're talking about.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why yes you are bad at the game and don't know what you're talking about.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                Congratulations on your complete failure to win an argument.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >can't help anyone, look for possible solutions or resolve narrative threads if you killed a single monster in self defence
              >not punished for defending yourself

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can't help anyone, look for possible solutions or resolve narrative threads if you killed a single monster in self defence
                but you can
                if you reset time

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't know for sure you have unlimited saves and reloads.
            Seems silly to take a chance in letting something kill you when you have a nagging concern that maybe this is the last reload you get.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >self-defense becomes immoral
            Really Dude???

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the only RPG where nobody has to die
        >first boss refuses to let you leave without a fight, spare doesn't look like it's working and the game has a hard-coded critical attack that violently murders the boss if you try to get her health down low and spare her that way
        Thanks Undertale

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn't count or something because good writing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The first lesson is "Would you rather die than kill wholesome goatmom?".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the message is that if you find yourself unlocking quantum immortality you can swap to a timeline where that druggie will find redemption because you can
      asriel literally tells you that there are floweys out there who you literally cannot reason with

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No shit the humans wanted to kill the monsters, they are autistic and don't realize when they are in fact killing people. Also why doesn't the game practices what it preaches and have somebody you have to kill to bypass then?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but that's literally what neutral is
          you do what you have to do to get out, self defense and all that and in the end flowey tells you to go and take advantage of your god powers to make everything perfect

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're allowed to get the neutral ending bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean this message is only wrong in that a given person doesn't have the resources to disarm the attacker, treat their mental illness and addiction, raise their IQ, and reduce their melanin count

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it so hard for people to tell the difference between fiction and reality? Pacifism is possible in this game because it was programed that way. Of course in real life you shouldn't befriend life-threatening individuals.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the game literally goes out of its way to encourage justified self defense, it specifically shits on the player because there's literally never a need to defend yourself when you're an immortal time god who has infinite ability to achieve the outcome that results in the least harm for people

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she looks like she fricks human men

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, I guess buttercups are hermaphrodite flowers and all…

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I pollinated him, would he die?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *pollinates

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He deserves a smooch

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is it wrong that i would a flower?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i want to be bred by flowey

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More than alphys,she deformed and ruined several peoples lives,and gets away scot free,flowey doesnt even do anything the whole game

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he didn't do anything wrong that stuck

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is this games logic
    >Sure, these monsters are trying to kill you, knowingly or otherwise, and have killed other humans before but its bad if you kill them because you are immortal

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its never says its bad to kill.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but its bad if you kill them
        does the game actually say it's bad to kill to them? or are you just uncomfortable that choosing to act in a violent way has a tangible effect on the world that causes a less than ideal outcome?

        Subtext, motherfrickers.
        The game clearly adopts a moral position.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Before we go any further, are you one of those weirdos that never actually played the game?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I played it several times

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but its bad if you kill them
      does the game actually say it's bad to kill to them? or are you just uncomfortable that choosing to act in a violent way has a tangible effect on the world that causes a less than ideal outcome?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You get shamed if you ever even hit the attack button and the game reports you to the ADL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's my biggest problem with Toby's writing. He really banks on you feeling bad for pixels on a screen, when he does nothing to earn it. The end of the pacifist run is a total asspull too.
      >We're best friends... FEEL BAD FOR ME YET?
      It's very contrived and pretentious. But people seem to eat it up, same thing for deltarune too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That's my biggest problem with Toby's writing. He really banks on you feeling bad for pixels on a screen, when he does nothing to earn it. The end of the pacifist run is a total asspull too.
        I agree. The music, too, often tries to brute force a particular emotional reaction from the player that hasn't really been earned from the narrative itself.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone deserves salvation if they genuinely repent in the eyes of the Lord.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gankereddit is still seething about undertale a decade later
    when are you people going to move on

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We’re a garden of Floweys without any Frisks to put us out of our collective misery.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Barely does anything with the save/reload gimmick when it could be used to solve puzzles or overcome gimmick fights
      >The only time it does something cool is with the genocide route which is supposed to be as unfun and punishing as possible
      >Only interesting character is Sans
      >People act as if Undertale is revolutionary when the only good part about the game is the music
      >Completely drops best girl in the next game
      Yes, I will continue to seethe about it.

      >but its bad if you kill them
      does the game actually say it's bad to kill to them? or are you just uncomfortable that choosing to act in a violent way has a tangible effect on the world that causes a less than ideal outcome?

      Only an autist would need something explicitly stated if something is good or bad. Look at the Stanley Parable, that game actively mocks you and makes it a point that following the devs intended game path is boring and unexciting while rewarding you by going off that path, in Undertale, despite a game having meta commentary, rewards you for following that same boring path.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muffetcuck is a moron
        classic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Muffet was a fan original character added because of donations it doesn't belong to toby.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rewards you for following that same boring path
        bad argument. if you take the genocide route, you get rewarded with all kinds of new stuff, namely unique boss battles like sans. in fact, being rewarded with new unique things for your actions there is part of the whole point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not grinding for hours on end just for two different boss battles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            okay cool, thanks for letting me know

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >while rewarding you by going off that path
          The game doesn't reward, it outright mocks you by pointing out that a dev would have to program things off the main road for you to do, so you are just being railroaded either way. There is no reward in Stanley, just more narration.

          Which is it? Games reward you or not by going off the intended path?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon-sama, one reply is talking about Undertale and the other is talking about the Stanley Parable

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Same concept

              There's always an intended path. An unintended path would just be a brick wall or empty space cause it's something the developer wouldn't have programmed to begin with.

              It's not just about intended paths but the dev accepting player choice and not throwing a fit about it but still putting it in the game anyway. There's a reason why people hate spec ops the line and its high horse

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Same concept
                but what are you asking about or trying to argue about? they're two different games made by two different people. why is what one does when you go off the intended path connected to what the other does?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Undertale never throws a fit, it outright gives you the ability to undo your mistakes unless your moronic enough to miss all the red flags of no return after beating Sans.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's always an intended path. An unintended path would just be a brick wall or empty space cause it's something the developer wouldn't have programmed to begin with.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did you get the BROOM CLOSET ending? The BROOM CLOSET ending is my favourite!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if you take the genocide route, you get rewarded
          With a permanently tainted save file

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >permanently tainted save file
            Easily fixable

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you wait around for 9 minutes and run into every obstacle in a Sonic game you're rewarded with an E rank and unique dialog about how you're bad at videogames

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >while rewarding you by going off that path
        The game doesn't reward, it outright mocks you by pointing out that a dev would have to program things off the main road for you to do, so you are just being railroaded either way. There is no reward in Stanley, just more narration.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Only interesting character is sans
        YAAAWNNN

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are there so many people who still don't understand what undertale was about?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, even Toby Fox thinks neutral route being underwhelming was a mistake.
      Most people take it as killing bad cuz no pacifist ending.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turns out Helldivers 2 wasn't the first game to showcase that gamers lack media literacy

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to facefrick flowey

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Flower sexo

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    asriel owes me sex

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Said Kris.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      soos owes me big hugs

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know, its hard to say because of the timeline stuff. I guess since he only really goes crazy because of that, and his killings don't really matter, then yes.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, but neither did the others. But I'm not the one who will judge them for their sins.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes, he obviously does
    i honestly wished there'd be some bullshit with determination where monsters give up bits of their souls so this homie could feel again but that would just be too perfect for an ending

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Flowey outright had his empathy sucked out of him by the world's edgiest moron child. Frisk has every reason to assume a bunch of hugs will one day get him a ounce of soul back to being a Ralsei level turbo ultra bottom.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No talking about this game, it’s WOKE!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody mentions wokeness
      >people are talking about the game
      >'Hurr hurr these chuds sure are obsessed with wokeness!'
      How does one become so stupid in life?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I killed everyone because that's what you do in games
    I didn't even realize there was a pacifist run.
    I like this guy

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This felt like it was going for a GANON moment, but I had no fricking idea who this was

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Asriel is mentioned many times throughout the game before this point, so that sounds like a (You) issue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's poorly choreographed to the audience. It was some Ulysses shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you forget the entire long hallway walk of exposition before you fight Asgore? You even get all the refreshers of it in the true lab.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i didnt understand something obvious in undertale, therefore new vegas is bad

          what the frick is actually wrong with you ''people''

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nuh uh that's not what I meant. I like both those games but I'm just saying theycould've shown who the last boss was better before you fight them. It doesn't feel like the culmination of everything you've been working towards in either game. The flowey fight felt more like a finale than Asriel

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone so moronic when it comes to this game holy shit

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He deserved to live but only because he hates living and hates me sparing him.
    Frick him

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Flowey objectively does less wrong than Asgore.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God UT/DR scratches my autism and vidya excitement like nothing else does anymore at 31. I hope KH fills the void for a while at least

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean he's basically in groundhogs day. And like unlike Bill's character he's still in the murder phase

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Salvation? He did nothing wrong. He did have tons of wrong done to him though.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    israeli game to brainwash gentiles.
    Same israelites nuking babies telling you to FiNd A peAcEfUL sO(y)LUtIoN when a Black folk is about to stab you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. It's a very lay down and take it kind of a game. It tells you what to believe and there's very little wiggle room for discussion on the issue, which makes sense with the cult-like fanbase. Same tactics different skin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tells you to not kill others and live in peace and harmony

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >game fails to impart its message
      >'WOW GAMERS ARE DUMB FOR NOT SUCKING TOBY FOX'S DICK'

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could say the Mad dummy deserved to be killed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could. You'd be wrong but you could.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      _he's too cute to kill

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Toby gay

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Undertale should've been about fricking this guy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's why Deltarune's the improved sequel.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If deltarune's last chapter is an asriel sex simulator, would be best game ever

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wait really?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kris and Ralsei are pretty obviously Toby's excuse to have Chara and Asriel as central characters. He even admitted as such when he said that he came up with Deltarune's plot first and that his ideas for Ralsei predate Asriel.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah well, god form Asriel is where it's at

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Personally I don't see Kris as being anything like Frisk nor Chara, but if they're like any of the two going off what little characterization we have he seems more like Frick Undertale.
              And this is also dancing around the fact that Deltarune is dancing around the concept of naming the Fallen Human Frisk in Undertale, and Asriel wishing he could have been friends with someone like Frisk instead of the Fallen Human.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think Kris is definitely to be seen as a more fleshed out and sympathetic Chara. The Hometown sections have Kris constantly allude to all of Chara's established personality motifs (The Chocolate, The Knives, The Shirt Colors, the Obsession with Asriel). I think Asriel's wish was just a subtle metagag about how Toby originally planned for him to be Kris' true friend from the start.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think Kris is definitely to be seen as a more fleshed out and sympathetic Chara
                I mean that's pretty funny way of saying that if you completely disregard Chara's personality Kris and Chara are basically the same person since they both wear a green shirt and like chocolate.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chara doesn't exactly have many scenes showing what his actual personality was like beyond tiny snippets of implied personality traits. Kris' character is made up of Fox turning those brief deftails into full established character traits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Chara doesn't exactly have many scenes showing what his actual personality was like beyond tiny snippets of implied personality traits. Kris' character is made up of Me turning those brief deftails into full established character traits.
                Yes, I know. What you're doing is unhealthy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's unhealthy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretending Kris and Chara are the same person to meet some idealized concept in your head of Deltarune being an official canonization of "narrachara" theory which completely jettisons the fact that Chara is explicitly a sadist that exploited Asriel as a means of escaping the underground to inflict harm on people living on the surface one of the most core features in Undertale's story.
                Specifically for trite fanfiction where Chara is used as a second Frisk.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say anything about it canonizing "narrachara", it's just a fact that Fox wrote both works and he outright said that Undertale was a prototype for what he wanted to write and do with Deltarune. Writers recycle characters all the time, and it's just obvious at a close glance that Kris is just blatantly Chara as the protag as Ralsei is just Asriel as a party member.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's just obvious at a close glance that Kris is just blatantly Chara as the protag
                If you choose to completely disregard anything but the most superficial factors of a character, such as attire and accessory, yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, Kris' name is just outright Frisk without the F, and Ralsei is just an anagram of Asriel. The game isn't even hiding that your meant to see them as thematic counterparts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet here you are, spending all this time trying to argue with me that Kris is supposed to be Chara.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I see. I didn't say Kris IS Chara, I'm saying he's written LIKE a more complex Chara.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's not like Chara in the slightest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta, but kris' love for chocolate and the pranks he pulls that make people uncomfortable are in character for Chara. The end of chapter one is also obviously supposed to remind you of him. I'm not saying Kris is Chara, but it's not a coincidence that he happens to look like him and occasionally act like him.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frisk is barely a person, they just let skeletons place sausages on their skull

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta and ngl, but you sound like the unhealthy one

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kris and Chara
                >like chocolate
                >use knives
                >wear the same clothing
                >were adopted into the dreemur family
                >like scaring people/going to far to do that
                >do the red eye shit
                >are very fond of Asriel
                By circumstance Chara wanted to kill every human since they prefered monsters and were done dirty. Kris also doesn't seem fond of them since he's uncomfortable around the human book in the librarby, but we are 2/7ths through his game so its just a crapshoot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes
                >Yes (But Chara was specifically seeking knives as a weapon, not as a character trait)
                >Yes (See next)
                >Yes (But this means literally nothing as far as character goes)
                >Kris likes pranking people, Chara specifically likes hurting people
                >Chara doesn't do this it's Frisk's Body.
                >Not even remotely true Chara explicitly sees Asriel as a tool, which fair if you missed it, that's the point since Asriel is supposed to be a mirror for the player.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I haven't played past the first chapter but I don't understand this
              >it's undertale characters but it's not connected to undertale
              nonsense
              Just seems needlessly complicated and annoying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Basically... it's extremely well written because it's vague or something

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't really think about it too hard.
                It more seems like a fun decision rather than a really plot important one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know who drew this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just some joe nobody, you wouldn't know him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vore
      based

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why doesn't more art show asriel using hypergoner powers?

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spends entire game on a scheme to get him the human souls and ALL the souls in the underground to shatter the barrier
    >End genocide with a monologue begging you to turn back
    >Ultimately overcame his "evil nature" in the end to help you free the underground
    >Advises you not to reset to go back to hurt your new friends.
    >EXPLICITLY WARNS YOU about getting exploited by people that are really "Flowey Like" in the post pacifist ending.
    Unironically yes.
    Asriel deserves to be forgiven, just as you would.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't get that ending when he's talking to you. The game is really weird with it's 4th wall breaking stuff. So he knows he's in a game? I still don't get it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Simply this is one of the few explicit fourth wall breaks. He's referring to you, since YOU can still reset the game, and cheekily he's also stating he's aware that you're neither Frisk nor the Fallen Human.
        But moreso it's just a fun little postgame reminder that you don't really need to play the game again, unless you want to, and if you did why would you want to play it on the easier mode and do what would make the game less special.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          His fusion with the first fallen kid ascended him to godhood leaving him with his player character awareness and save scumming powers. His whole pacifist character arc is him to coming to realize that Frisk is more than just a self insert pc but his own person too. Hence why Flowey addresses you directly in the end instead of Frisk.

          Shouldn't he also, you know, thank you? Since he knows everything you did, he knows you did your best to help everyone. Feels like he's trying to bait you into starting again, when if you go through the effort of doing a pacifist playthrough you likely are satisfied with the ending and don't want to play again.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe? It's more just a fun little post game scene, probably best not to think too hard about it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also, he sort of already thanked you through Frisk.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I might be thinking too hard about it. But I thought maybe he was still evil as a flower, so he might've been trying to get you to start again to reset everything and ruin the happy ending. Seems like something he'd do.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He already thanked you as Asriel, but he's also just trying to warn you off with what little empathy he has left after reverting back to zero. He wouldn't be letting his own memories get wiped if he was still pure evil after that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cheekily he's also stating he's aware that you're neither Frisk nor the Fallen Human.
          Not true, nobody, not even Sans and Flower are aware of your presense. The entire Undertale gimmick hinges on (You) naming the first fallen human without any context about him/her up until the end of the pacifist/genocide route.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His fusion with the first fallen kid ascended him to godhood leaving him with his player character awareness and save scumming powers. His whole pacifist character arc is him to coming to realize that Frisk is more than just a self insert pc but his own person too. Hence why Flowey addresses you directly in the end instead of Frisk.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He deserves wait what did he actually do that was bad again since nothing actually matters?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who can time travel is expected to be the biggest homosexual who's ever lived

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, principle of sleep defense. He attacked unprovoked, with no justification and with the intent to kill.
    NOW
    That said, I think he deserves it for the sole reason of being so sexy and hot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, do you think Flowey is hot? Or Asriel?
      This is a test, there is only one right answer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I had to pick one over the other I pick Asriel because I'm a filthy furgay. But I would frick Flowey alright. That pretty face gets me horny as frick.
        BTW the only right answer is whatever my dick wants.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was gonna say the correct answer is both, so you win.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll use my cum instead does that work

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought the same thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, according to the news letters, Flowey eats food and probably doesn't like being watered.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What else that flower hiding, a petalled dick?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Apparently the desire to ride a bike.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AND JUST FRICKING LET HIM DIE?

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >flowey
    >piranha plant
    >peashooter
    >bellsprout
    what is with video game plants being designed for blowjobs?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The aborial feeds off our semen

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kris fricking the shit out of Ralsei while Asriel just watches awkwardly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer Susie fricking Kris with it being the weird route where you gaslighted her into raping Kris

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rape em all

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want Flowey to molest me

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone deserves a second chance.
    Not everyone deserves a third.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t we all?
    We all suffer in our own way, even the most despicable deserve some form of salvation

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    b***h ass flower

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes
    Why not?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and it pisses me off that everyone else gets a happy ending and I'm expected to be satisfied with that

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >join thread to see some flowey pics
    >there is like 3 of them and then none more

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't you just hate it when people answer the irrelevant time wasting question instead of posting more of the lust provoking image?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It truly is the worst. I'm still hanging to this thread in hopes some other degenerate comes to jumpstart it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I got you anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, which is why he didn't get it.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone did, so it is written.

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