Did Seifer deserve a good ending?

Did Seifer deserve a good ending?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, he was so obsessed with being the knightly hero of a witch that he didn't notice the possessive perflat ESL next to him

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/jrwaIBH.png

      Did Seifer deserve a good ending?

      Game would have been better if Rinoa and Seifer's places in the story were swapped. If you really think about it, you'll realize it's true.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Laguna gets added to Dissidia 12 just because he's that cool
        >Absolute worst character in the series, borderline unplayable v actual people
        Sad

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          012 was all about SPEED.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >speed

            ELL OH FRICKING ELL

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Speed comes in many forms, tree-man.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That's a weird looking tree

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't all that evil, he was just a lonely little butthole.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like Seifer was a victim. He wanted to be great, but couldn't conform or follow orders. He wasn't made for military life, but the only reason he was there was because of a childhood dream. Ultimecia ultimately (lol) saw him as the perfect tool to get closer to the sorceress successor, and he was used only to have his dreams of being a protector get completely shattered by the one guy he thought he shared that non-conforming attitude with.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      True to be told, he done his mission perfectly before he leave with his mother.

      It was MC friend who screw up.
      Then the blame was throw to him alone.

      P. S: He already show that he can't work with squall yet they kept making him work with him as his subordinate.

      I guess they are scared of Squall father.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think that kidnapping the Galbadian president on live TV to impress your oneitis was a very good plan, Seifer

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, Zell fricked that up. Seifer was doomed from jump because this was Ultimecia's first interaction with him.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Squall didn't DO anything, though. He simply followed orders and did what he was told. It's what made Squall such a great sEEd--Seifer almost killed 4 people because he wanted to be the main character of his own story. You can't give a guy like that control over people who are trained to do whatever you say.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >P. S: He already show that he can't work with squall yet they kept making him work with him as his subordinate.
          This Black knows what the frick is going on. Seifer wanted to be the main characters like we all do, he even copied Laguna's cheesy tv show dragon slay as his winning pose. Fricking moron.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I really liked Squall and Seifer's dynamic from the little we got to see of it in the Dollet mission. I thought there'd be a lot of that throughout the game. Shame.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. For being more handsome than Squall.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    FF8 is so fricking weird

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's one of the boldest jrpg ever made. It does not hold your hand, it doesn't over explain, in fact, events will happen that does not make sense until the end of the game, the intro as an example. It has the coolest minigame, a love interest that not only have an ex but your protagonist don't even know her. Use of inner monologues not only as exposition but as a tool to convey character growth. The game is a big filter because it does a lot of stuff different from other jrpg but it takes a dive to notice.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Use of inner monologues not only as exposition but as a tool to convey character growth.
        Squall having a mental breakdown after wondering how people will remember him once he dies.
        KINO

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >violently swings his arm dismissively
          >"!!!"
          >runs away

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >english localizationgay
            lel, lmao

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              !!!

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he got a good ending...he did as he wanted...an aristocrat

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder his sword is bigger than Squalls, his stats are better, both as an ally and enemy, so not just enemy inflation. Unlike Rinoa he's not a Dyne-diner to justify this. He was simply born better. He's taller. He's more handsome. He has cooler friends who don't smell bad like Zel does. He's not gay and he has actual magical justification on going off the deep-end, unlike Squall, who just has an epiphany out of fricking nowhere. He refused to take part in the orphanage plot, because he knew it was stupid. He won. Squall died. Squall died when he got penetrated by ice. He is dead and everything following is a hallucination. Even in this hallucination Seifer is stronger. Because that is how Squall views Seifer; inherently superior.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And yet he still couldn't protect his sorceress or be accepted.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Schizo, he didn't need to, Squall's dead. They won.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Squall's dead
          debonked

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong

            Because it's one of the boldest jrpg ever made. It does not hold your hand, it doesn't over explain, in fact, events will happen that does not make sense until the end of the game, the intro as an example. It has the coolest minigame, a love interest that not only have an ex but your protagonist don't even know her. Use of inner monologues not only as exposition but as a tool to convey character growth. The game is a big filter because it does a lot of stuff different from other jrpg but it takes a dive to notice.

            How dumb do you need to be to need to 'take a dive' to notice basic shit like that.
            FF8 explains itself very well; read the fricking glossary.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Kitase literally said Squall did not die.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                And he was wrong.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              It has nothing to do with being dumb or smart. 8 literally has events which are cause by events you haven't seen it yet. So yes, you need to take a dive in playing the fricking game beyond a few hours to see there's more to it than meet the eyes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            By no one that matters. Listening to SE, even to the OGs, past 2001, is like listening to insane people. Nothing they say or make matters.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >He's not gay
      Ahahahahahaahahahahaha

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He absolutely fricked Ultimecia while she possessed Edea.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, he didn't.

          And he was wrong.

          "I, a random fan piggyback riding off of a theory I did not create, am more correct than someone who worked on the game"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Correct, I am. Sorry some random irrelevant jap you worship failed to fact check properly. Thankfully I am here to fix it.

            It has nothing to do with being dumb or smart. 8 literally has events which are cause by events you haven't seen it yet. So yes, you need to take a dive in playing the fricking game beyond a few hours to see there's more to it than meet the eyes.

            *cased.
            By take a dive I thought you meant look beneath the surface, not get further in the game to see how the story progresses. Have you... read anything.. in your life? How do you function if cause and effect and basic story telling feels 'deep' to you.

            >Even in this hallucination Seifer is stronger
            Why does he always job then

            He gets faught 2 or 3 v 1 and Squall and the gang use Junctions to compensate for their shitty stats both mechanically and canonically; his entire team are pathetic weaklings

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Aren't spells you draw canonically juctioned to whatever you're fighting?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, glossary explcitly says only humans are so weak to need to junction. Monsters (who come from the moon and aren't even sapient for the most part) are just that strong. Dyne and his sorceresses are also inherently strong, but they're also human, so they get to both have monster strength and junction bonuses on top. This is why Rinoa has by far the best base stats other than Seifer and Adel (who is a sorceress).
                Seifer's absurd stats are because he's a hot blonde guy who isn't gay, unlike Zel.

                Is final fantasy a book though? It isn't. It's a jrpg from the 90's made by a defunct company. And I will praise it for doing things that 30 years later are still rare to see in this medium.

                >I have low standards
                Good to know brainlet.

                >He has cooler friends who don't smell bad like Zel does
                One of them is black

                And he's cool.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >uses apples and oranges fallacy
                >call others brainlets
                Go back or lurk, either way stop posting.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I will continue to post, to be right and to love my husband.

                You think Squall and him ever wrestled shirtless in the hot sun together until the got really sweaty and decided to go swimming but didn't want to get their clothes wet so they took them off to cool down in the refreshing water until they got bored and when they got out they saw each others junk so they just decided to compare wiener sizes both flaccid and erect?

                >Implying Seifer isn't always ready

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Is final fantasy a book though? It isn't. It's a jrpg from the 90's made by a defunct company. And I will praise it for doing things that 30 years later are still rare to see in this medium.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          - He easily defeated Squall in a 1v1 and scarred his face for life
          - He fricked Rinoa and cucked Squall
          - He didn't take orders from cucked Squall, instead switched to the winning side and became more powerful than they could ever dream of

          based af

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Three strikes, you're out

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >couldn't beat Squall and resorts to magic in a non magic sparring
            >rinoa is so disappointed with this frick she runs toward Squall deformed pixelated face
            >always has one job, and fails at it every time

            He's a joke and Squall was an undisputed Chad.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >non magic sparring
              Evidently not Squall just blew all his magic already.
              >rinoa is so disappointed with this frick
              She was just a pump and dump on the side. She did what all women naturally do - seek out men with power - and the Seed leader just happened to be Squall and if it wasn't him she'd never even notice him.
              >fails at it every time
              As anon said those weren't fair fights. They were heavily stacked in the favor of the Seeds squad. All owed to Ultimecia unpreparedness, misjudgment and bad planning.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              't beat Squall and resorts to magic in a non magic sparring
              wasn't it just part of his limit break?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Someone from Balamb mentions it was Fire.

                How did you pronounce his name? "Safer" or "Cypher"?

                Safer. And Tee-dus. Frick mispronouncers and frick Black folk.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >- He easily defeated Squall in a 1v1 and scarred his face for life
            Did you miss the part where Squall gives him a matching scar literally ten seconds afterwards?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              We don't talk about that.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Did you miss the part where Seifer uses Fire in a nonmagic sparring?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >non magic sparring
                Evidently not Squall just blew all his magic already.
                >rinoa is so disappointed with this frick
                She was just a pump and dump on the side. She did what all women naturally do - seek out men with power - and the Seed leader just happened to be Squall and if it wasn't him she'd never even notice him.
                >fails at it every time
                As anon said those weren't fair fights. They were heavily stacked in the favor of the Seeds squad. All owed to Ultimecia unpreparedness, misjudgment and bad planning.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Even in this hallucination Seifer is stronger
      Why does he always job then

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >He has cooler friends who don't smell bad like Zel does
      One of them is black

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Seifers only win is in the cinematic and argueably that couldve been a draw
      First time you fight him in Deling he just drops to 3 gunblade trigger attacks without you needing to heal once if you mostly farm AP with the card ability and have a low level (you should cause otherwise no Lionheart in disc one)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        only win is in the cinematic and argueably that couldve been a draw
        >His only win is in canon
        >He only put squall in the hospital, it was a draw
        Holy cope
        >He dies in 3 hits if you reach this arbitary level of power I happened to reach
        Not-canon, you can be as weak or strong as you want in that fight
        What IS canon is you fight him in bigger numbers in all but 1 fight

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          And you still beat him in literally every encounter afterwards, canonically.
          The game literally says game over if you dont (honestly he is the easiest boss in every time you encounter them, even rajin/fujin is a more dangerous battle)
          Maybe just stop projecting your personal cuck fetishes onto this piece of art
          Coomers ruin everything

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Fight a guy with bigger numbers
            >Win
            >huehheh guess he was weak
            Lol nice cope lol

            >Cuck fetishes
            Literally what?
            This seems to be you projecting, I've said nothing on his relationship with Rinoa, Edel, whoever the frick you're talking about. Seifer is made to top squall.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Are you really using numbers as a defense when the motherfricking discipline committee members have enough strength to frick Edea and Seifer up 10x over by the time you fight them? Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You sounded a lot like the guy who raised that arguement so I will admit I was asooming
              And yes you still canonically wipe his ass every encounter you fight him
              Its not like he is difficult if you level regularly
              Anywhere between 15 to 25 which is a reasonable level for that stage in the game he is still piss easy to beat
              Numbers might be bigger on paper but he still gets absolutely fricked
              Also squall does more damage then him in the first mission with the radio tower

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Leveling
                >Reaching x level for a boss
                >In FF8
                You have literally no idea what you're talking about
                Enemies para-level in 8 and the weakest enemy in the game has higher stat growth than most of the cast

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                ???

                Seifers only win is in the cinematic and argueably that couldve been a draw
                First time you fight him in Deling he just drops to 3 gunblade trigger attacks without you needing to heal once if you mostly farm AP with the card ability and have a low level (you should cause otherwise no Lionheart in disc one)

                >First time you fight him in Deling he just drops to 3 gunblade trigger attacks without you needing to heal once if you mostly farm AP with the card ability and have a low level (you should cause otherwise no Lionheart in disc one)

                I obviously know about level scaling, but if you beat all enounters without card or fleeing you will be 15-25 by the time you reach the first seifer fight
                Idk how you interpreted that as anything else its almost impressive

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >If you reach the arbitary level of power I reached, he's easy
                Not canon like I said
                What is canon is you outnumber in almost all fights because he's just that strong

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Son you are going in circles right now are you even reading what youre replying too

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That you are.

                Whatever level you reach at that point does not matter. Its not canon.
                WHatever level you assume others do does not mattrer. Its not canon.
                Whatever junctions you think people have. Its not canon.
                What is canon is that Seifer won and Squall died.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                so the Squall game story end after the first disc in your mind?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think that's thematically important. Seifer straight up goes into desperation mode trying to surpass Squall because up until the Dollett mission, he saw him as an even rival. Imagine how you would feel if the *ONE* thing you think you're good at gets sodomized by that guy you thought was like you over and over again? I think making Seifer job to Squall over time was clever, but the writing was too shit to show it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He was shit in gameplay the only epic he did was cutting in half odin with his stupid rapier stance

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The only epic thing he did was 1 shot a summon
        Bear in mind he did this with no hint of using junctions in a world where humans are canonically the weakest species on the planet

        Are you really using numbers as a defense when the motherfricking discipline committee members have enough strength to frick Edea and Seifer up 10x over by the time you fight them? Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

        Party numbers you unsmartlet.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Party numbers you unsmartlet

          Then by that logic, Squall is already god tier by the end of disc 2 and Seifer never stood a chance to begin with. What exactly is your point here?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            By the end of disc 2, Squall is dead. That's his post-death power fantasy.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Let it go

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Squall can be god tier in disc 1 knowing all the system to build it with the lionheart and high level spells crafting

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          In plot he should know it but square didnt bother put enemies the junction system besides ultimecia

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >his stats are better
      If you look at their cards, their stats are inverted. It's because Squall is attacking with his gunblade to the left and Seifer to the right, Squall is very reserved while Seifer has the big dick energy, and Squall is intelligent and uses his brain all the time, while Seifer is a complete moron. Both have trusting issues and their backs are exposed.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    CHICKEN WUSS

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No. Neither did reno or beatrix.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >has failed before
    >fails on the dollet mission
    >drops out of balamb garden
    >in order to help a sorceress
    >proceeds to defend her after she kills people
    >proceeds to defend Adel in Lunatic Pandora
    >murders Odin
    >last act in the story is giving Rinoa to Adel despite not having any reason to
    Seifer should've fricking died.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Put yourself in his shoes. Dude is a supersenior at Balamb Garden. He keeps failing, not because he's unskilled, but because he is too independent. Then the one mission that the guy you thought you were even with surpasses you because he's a meek little b***h who does whatever he say to the letter. The fact that he didn't try to blow up Bala--wait never he actually did try to do that. Seifer is school shooter tiers of insecure, and him getting mindfricked by a sorceress probably saved him from suicide.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The fact that he didn't try to blow up Bala--wait never he actually did try to do that.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >implying Squall has friends
    0 evidence for that in the game.
    They were just assigned business partners.
    Squall is a lone wolf like I am.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He is at the start, his arc is growing beyond that into a better man and a leader. Can you do the same?

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You think Squall and him ever wrestled shirtless in the hot sun together until the got really sweaty and decided to go swimming but didn't want to get their clothes wet so they took them off to cool down in the refreshing water until they got bored and when they got out they saw each others junk so they just decided to compare wiener sizes both flaccid and erect?

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The weird bully kid from Twilight Town? Did he get some kind of spinoff?

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nope he got away of almost exterminating his school and home

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They should make FF8. It has so many weirdly cool concept and a very 2000s atmosphere despite being released in 99.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >wanting anything from SE

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What even was his ending?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fishing in balamb town docks with rajin and fujin
      Or maybe it was FM horizon its been a while
      Looked cozy

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Squall literally did nothing wrong and was objectively correct

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    He pushed Squall in the right direction. Same with best character Chicken Wuss.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >fricks the main heroine first
    >messes up his graduation and possibly yours as well
    >fails a rescue operation and joins the enemy
    >consistently tries to stop the people trying to save the world
    >together with a hostile military force he occupies his own city
    >attacks his garden resulting in the death of many of his own classmates
    >helps in operating the lunatic pandora causing countless casualties all over the world
    >he gets away with all of it
    There no more smug and based character in all of the FF franchise, I dare you find one.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Literally worse than Orochimaru

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    which version of this game is the best to play, original, or remastered?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Original on a PSP/Vita if possible

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The nice thing about the Steam remaster is it has a x2 speed mode which can be nice at times, though isn't really has needed as FFIX which feels way too fricking slow at its native speed. But really the steam remaster adds nothing else of note and is a lazy attempt at a remaster, so the original is probably fine too.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Emulated original.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, he was entirely a victim in the story.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Literally the hall monitor that became a school shooter.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The fact that he didn't try to blow up Bala--wait never he actually did try to do that.

      Put yourself in his shoes. Dude is a supersenior at Balamb Garden. He keeps failing, not because he's unskilled, but because he is too independent. Then the one mission that the guy you thought you were even with surpasses you because he's a meek little b***h who does whatever he say to the letter. The fact that he didn't try to blow up Bala--wait never he actually did try to do that. Seifer is school shooter tiers of insecure, and him getting mindfricked by a sorceress probably saved him from suicide.

      He even wears a fricking trenchcoat.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How did you pronounce his name? "Safer" or "Cypher"?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Seifer

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      S-eye-f-urr

      Someone from Balamb mentions it was Fire.

      [...]
      Safer. And Tee-dus. Frick mispronouncers and frick Black folk.

      T-eye-d-uss

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Seifer has fire cross arguably the worst limit break in the game
    >Squall has renzokuken one of the best limit breaks in the game
    I think its clear who is the better gunblade user.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Squall is cute, but Zell and Rinoa mog him with their limit breaks (in terms of damage).

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