Diving into this for the first time. Any beginner tips?

judge the quality of an expansion solely on the MSQ*
I gotta go to sleep

>Relics grinds that people complained were boring and anooying?
Bozja and Eureka that people hated when they were new and only starting liking once the devs decided to not follow up on that?
None of that content was worth being subbed for months until new content droped.

die with anal aids you revisionist homosexual

>That is my point. FFXIV never had content like that. But for some reason people keep demanding for it to happen and claiming that the game will die without it.

you're one dumb fucker
your point don't change the fact that in order for the game to be healthy people must keep playing, is not about a carrot on a stick strawman, is about having people wanting to play the game

why would my friends return to the game if everyone in our friendlist quit? and even if they do return to check the story, it doesn't mean that all of them will return at the same time and play together ever again

if you dont keep these people engaged, they will eventually move elsewhere
using the argument that yoshi tells you to play other games doesn't change this
and his, is a suggestion, not an order
your kind acts like people should take breaks otherwise they must be a carrot chaser poopsock elitist grinder, you can't even fathom the notion that people WANT to be invested in the game and WANT to make it part of their routine, that people WANT to engage with it.
and to many people the social aspect is an important part of the game, but how can we have a social aspect if our friendlists get empty as people get bored out?
or is your kind so mentally broken by being permamently online that you don't understand what friendships are anymore?
or are you too egotistical that you don't care because you didnt start seeing the negative effects of this mentality?
>everyone in my erp club is there, so the game is fine, go away you poopsock
until a new game comes along and these people leave too, and you will be left alone wondering why people are quitting and being given the same reply you do now, gaslit into oblivion

wake the fuck up dude
more content won't take an arm out of you
more content means more players, everyone wins
why do you defend the game being stale or delivering always less and less content? you literally are losing too
the scorpion and frog is a cautionary tale not a guide

And it never will because the execs are not interested in making games people would enjoy playing, they want games that spend people's time and make them spend more money on them. They achieve that by fostering psychological addiction and gacha tier bullshit and not quality gameplay you'd want to return to, because the latter is not easy to make.

And yet no one has made one yet. The rest of your post can be discarded, your fantasizing has nothing to do with reality.

>most profitable games have lewd hot chiks
and burgers say sexy baby holes don't sell games

You're delusional if you think it will fare any better than new world lmao. They have no experience making any kind of a game except for a warcraft 3 custom map clone that is two decades old by this point and wasn't theirs to begin with. All riot can do is copy what someone else had already done before and do it poorly too.

>God knows the moment a new game with better graphics and housing comes out, this game will turn into a desert.
The MMO genre is dead anon. there is a reason why all the big MMOs are over 10 years old. The future is gacha.

I think the worst thing is the way they take Yoshi's suggestion to play other games. The context of that was that if you feel burnt out and stressed then you should take a break and the game will be there waiting for you. But the way these fuckers treat it is like if you aren't burnt out and want to keep playing the game then you're wrong. Like he's ordered you to find content in other games instead of expecting engagement from XIV. It's so stupid.

Every single patch and update has engaged me and engaged my friends. There is simply too long of a time between these updates. Why does a MMO have to have slow moments in the patch cycle. Nobody is getting burnt out, they are getting bored because the new stuff gets old before there's more new stuff. Imagine if the line was
>You shouldn't really expect to be able to 100% everything in the updates as they come out
instead of
>FFXIV was never meant to be a game you play all the time.

But what about all the billions in revenue they have? Couldn't they somehow transform that money into more content?

>There is a cap for how much budget and manpower can improve the content of a game.
Oh shit, I guess MMO game design just disproved the idea of return to scale in economic production. Even though there was somehow more content being produced 10-20 years ago with less budget and manpower, MMO developers have now simply transcended economic theory itself.

Nice strawman. I can see you never developed software for a single day in your life.

I apologize. The people in this thread seem to believe in infinite growth, so I was taking everything at face value.

>Even though there was somehow more content being produced 10-20 years ago with less budget and manpower, MMO developers have now simply transcended economic theory itself.
Game design isn't a production line. you can't just buy more equipaments or hire more people and start doubling your production in a day. Just like 3 womans can't deliver a baby in 3 months, there is a point were more personal and a bigger budget stop being a boom and become a burden.

somehow cbu3 can't even manage to maintain the status quo, they've actually gone backwards with release cadence because yoshida said their devs need to take holidays or some bullshit

>esl doesn't understand what status quo means

you're given the title of biggest MMO on a silver platter as your enemy essentially shots himself in the head multiple times
and you still manages to fumble it by somehow thinking that buying a gun and aiming it to your head is a good move
will DT be the shot heard across the world?

anon, XIV have always been the profitable slut for SE pimp
XIV single handedly funded ff7re and all their other games
Yoshi once mentioned that the only game that gets reapplied into the game are mogstation sales, yes, all sub gets routed to SE as a whole, and the cash shop sales get reinvested into XIV
if the devs HAD the proper funds, this game would've fixed its flaws years ago, but realize that they are still doing their project of untangling the code which started in 2018, because they simply have no funds to bankroll it
same with hroth and viera hair, they don't have the money to fix it straight away

The biggest slap on the face is the fact that Shinra sama Matsuda treated the game as a paypig for all the flops SE amassed over the years
left alive
quiet man
balan wonderland
forspoken
so on and on

this is the main issue with games getting this big, bigger than movies, investors call the shots, every action must be profitable, and eventually all soul and passion is killed in the grinder of dreams as any good call is overruled by a moronic decision by a higher up whose end goal is making money.

if you want the finest example of this look at Nexon and Maplestory, they milked that game to its death

for all shit people give to yoshi and the devs, he somehow still manages to contain the cash shop and make it profitable, where all other games will literally rub it in your face at any possible time
wow tokens ffs, in classic.

answer this

>Yeah, Bozja and Eureka are two examples
can you give more examples then? if the statement below is true
>ignoring the fact that past expansions DID have content that kept people engaged
then surely there are more differences between SB, ShB and EW content besides the lack of a foray.

,anon
is the difference between shb and ew only bozja?
if you were engaged every patch and update as you said, theres no way bozja sustained you for every month you subbed unless you progressed really slowly. Or did you do other content too from other expansions meanwhile?

>resorting to coomer posting to avoid confrontation
pathetic
the sentence is correct btw, rajesh.

sure mahendran. now post more

goes to show their mental age
>I want to eat in your restaurant sir
>no go eat somewhere else, we already served enough for today
the person finds a better restaurant and never comes back
the owner gets surprised that his clients are leaving

it takes a kid to think like that and still think that they're right, which explains a lot of the hysterical behavior around this game both in here and at twitter.

There is no better game than XIV though. The problem is that theres just not enough content to justify playing perpetually. At best you can go to a worse restaurant thats just okay, and make a reservation for the superior XIV restaurant when the time comes.

>your point don't change the fact that in order for the game to be healthy people must keep playing, is not about a carrot on a stick strawman, is about having people wanting to play the game
By your logic the game has never been helathy, since such content has never existed.
>why would my friends return to the game if everyone in our friendlist quit? and even if they do return to check the story, it doesn't mean that all of them will return at the same time and play together ever again
That isn't a bad thing. If your friends decide that they don't like the way FFXIV does thing, that means the game isn't for then.
>if you dont keep these people engaged, they will eventually move elsewhere
using the argument that yoshi tells you to play other games doesn't change this
and his, is a suggestion, not an order
You don't need to engaged 100% of the time for a game to be good. You can just play it during the expansion release and that is fine. the devs have made they decision to what type of game they want FFXIv to be and neither you or me can change that.
>your kind acts like people should take breaks otherwise they must be a carrot chaser poopsock elitist grinder, you can't even fathom the notion that people WANT to be invested in the game and WANT to make it part of their routine, that people WANT to engage with it.
I get that, but that isn't the type of game FFXIV. I understand how it feels to like a game so much that you want it to be deeper than it is just because you want to go even deeper on it. But sometimes you gotta accept things for what they are instead of getting bitter for what it isn't.
>why do you defend the game being stale or delivering always less and less content? you literally are losing too
the scorpion and frog is a cautionary tale not a guide
The game isn't delivering less and less content. EW had a lot of content, even if you only consume a small part of it.

>gaslight yourself until you stop breathing you absolute homosexual
Can't accept the truth. That is fine anon. Maybe one day someone will make the MMO you want.

both shields are retard good
if your team knows what they're doing
SGE SCH is complete overkill with two good players

i don't know about top but sch can usually cover cases where the party is too far apart since deploy is 30y

SGE top, WHM bottom

WHMs are generally the most retarded healers I meet. SCHs are second most retarded because often times they either spam energy drain and don't use OGCDs much, or they use OGCDs at the worst times. ASTs are normally pretty okay. The best cohealer I had was a female lala SCH, and the worst I had was a male viera WHM.

Yeah, that's why I hate playing AST. I feel like you have to optimize your healing way more. SGE feels so much versatile with so many more options. If I'm not paying attention and fuck up the timing for one OGCD, I can normally still recover it just fine since SGE normally has backups upon backups. I don't think I could ever play AST.

It's more that SGE can improv in situations that allow it. AST cannot since everything needs to be pre-planned given their GCD heal burst options are non-existent if Horoscope isn't up.

I don't think you know what you're talking about, but you're free to believe what you like, as long as I never meet you in-game.

It's more that SGE can improv in situations that allow it. AST cannot since everything needs to be pre-planned given their GCD heal burst options are non-existent if Horoscope isn't up.

AST could really benefit from a 5s CD reduction on all their 1mins just to allow a GCD or two of getting backlogged on other offgcds.

This.

AST could really benefit from a 5s CD reduction on all their 1mins just to allow a GCD or two of getting backlogged on other offgcds.

So most FF games don't have a sub yet the MMOs do? Sounds like theyre MMOs first.

>but the game only started ditching the mmo aspects with shb
I really hate this. There are plenty of single player FF games that are great, and only 2 MMOs. And one of those is done. And despite this, Yoshi wants to keep moving the game away from the MMO aspect when that's just opening up comparisons between XIV and a huge pile of other FF games that do a lot of shit right in comparison to XIV as a "Single player" game.

i'm buying 16 on day one when it comes out on PC

oh, if its out on EGS i'll wait. just like i did for jack's game

KH exclusivity deal is 3 years
SE is retarded

yeah, hopefully they saw that timed exclusivity was bad and are moving away like many other companies did.
but then, we're talking about SE here, they did the strong female lead meme just now, when this was already flopping as far back as 2016

FFXIV is one of the worst communities I have experienced with a ToS that can get you in trouble for saying a swear word in a rated teen game. It's gotten to the point where I don't even type in-game at all because I'll get mass reported in something like Bojza for saying the word stupid in shout. The amount of people who talk about how they enjoy raiding with their friends but shit talk them across discord servers and DMs. The North American community team where their senior has been caught harassing and stalks FFXIV players in and outside the game. The other community rep who used to sell pictures of herself on patreon wearing diapers and is married to the reddit fashion star attention whore who has commissioned pedophilia with children NPCs like Khole and all the other unhinged folks at that company who think of you voted Orange Man or not aligned on their beliefs, your life should be ruined.

The list could go on forever with all the fuck ups who play this game. You'll see people jump down people's throats if they dare criticize the game on FFXIV official twitter or mention how the story isn't that amazing and average at best. (Extra rage from fanboys if you talk about 5.3 story not being that amazing.) I'm sure they get death threats in their DMs afterwards. Big discord server like The Balance are full of troons who are racist and hateful as fuck, but everyone there is top busy huffing their own farts and think talking in memes only is normal conversation

BG3 is a far worse game than XIV, don't kid yourself. The westacucks bought it because it had homosex and cuckshit plastered all over it and all the women are used up whores.

maybe she wants you to lick it

there are other ps5 exclusives that sold well, iam not cheering against xvi, but those unofficial numbers are not impressive at all

as for the argument that pc will "fix" it, we must wait and see, I seriously wouldn't personally bet at it as it seems that the normie hype for the game died down very fast, and this "community" don't have strength to meme that game into being, and we're not even considerign if the avg xiv player cares enough to shill xvi like that.

as for the headline argument, well, its xvi team's fault for not doing marketing properly, they are so out of touch that made that pre release party with max dood and alana whore out of all people, moukala was unironically the only real connection with any portion of the ff fanbase

it seems that yoshi trusted too much in the xiv playerbase carryign the game and forgot the fact that he have to market to a wider audience

(s)he has the fattest cock, (s)he is gonna fuck you in the ass with it.

don't you remember all the drama over the buoyant boy?

It was a huge point of cringe in these threads for a very long time. But if you need something more recent, you can look at when Graha went full anime when he got recruited in 5.3

How about "little sun"
Holy fuck, community, stop beating that dear horse.

I'm really just chiming in with unrelated shit that irks me. Not the problem of the game, but shit that the community can't stop homing in on despite it being tired.
le DRG floortank maymay am I right

thats just the community being retarded
wow scripts are their own league of shame

au revoir, we beat the scarlet crusade

the only hopes for removing that was with HW trimming of ARR quests, and later with SB further trimming, I guess some people still had hopes for it with the praetorium rework, but now, that thing is there forever, just close your eyes and pretend that never happened

seriously, ive known people that just gave up on the game after that cringefest

>a collective effort is null because an individual alone is trash elsewhere
geez anon, hold your neurons, they're already running on fumes, we don't that bright tyrone box of yours burning so soon.

>You can faceroll a majority of dungeons and trials by just knowing your basic rotation
They should set it to min ilvl + 5 ilvl if theres a player that haven't completed that dungeon,trial or anything. Only if you're running it again then the ilvl is uncapped to the max for that dungeon.
I think with this approach it sets a precedent for the sprouts to actually give an effort to improve to clear when they're struggling with every dungeon, like every dungeon pre 70 is carried by people that just want to do roulettes and be on their way as quickly as possible.
"Fights" like Ifrit and Garuda doesnt feel rewarding to clear, only Titan gives a modicum of challenge to new players.

And there's still a Fanfest between now and then and 6.55 and that XVI collab.

>he expansion isn't going to be more than 5 or 6 months past that even if things are extra slow.

>At it's worst it was 8ish months

anon all other xpacs abided by the 3 month patch cycle, this is the first time we are dealing with the 4 month cycle + 1 month of vacation system

stuff WILL be slower by the nature of the new methodology, EW was delayed while using the previous time frame

why the fuck do you think they announced it as summer instead of giving a month? because they NEED all the leeway they can
hell, yoshi said in both fanfests that there was stuff he meant to show but it wasnt ready yet,
a whole xpac wont magically make it self in 6 months from now if they can't even show early concepts at fanfest

>i trust the devs, i will stick my finger in my ears and pretend nothing is happening

there is precedence for a delay, and there is precedence for making it a fall release even

being a retarded positivistic moron cheering the devs won't change the growing costs of developing the game

>iam a homosexual and i will cry at my facebook group that the game is fine

11 months homosexual, start counting

I'm quite excited for JP Fanfest.

>strawman because i cant stand criticism
YWNBAW

we need community stuff that keeps us playing together..

>more on the Alliance raid
they wont show more, you get what was given at london
>more about Viper
they never showcase jobs at fanfests outside what you saw at london, their skills will come with the promotional job video 2 months before release
but you will get a 2nd job and the same amount of info you had for viper at london
> more about the lifestyle content they're working
iam willing to bet that they won't say much, back for EW fanfest island sanctuary had only the promo image shown, we had no clue what it was until the liveletter for its initial release, i doubt they will give any in depth info for it this time, same for exploratory content and deep dungeon

>FemHroths,
yes
>more on the zones,
yes
> more on the gear
they never show gear, only concepts, you already got some in the london panels, expect something smilar to the crafters, nothing more than that
>more on all the other jobs
they never do this at fanfest, all job skills will be showcased in their job trailer
influencers will give more info from their promo tour, including being able to record gameplay of any job they want within 1 hr, expect this 2 months before release
>more on whether we'll get a foray or something like it
yoshi confirmed at interviews, he will hint while on stage and thats it
>maybe more on miscellaneous updates like the dual dye channel
yes, they will showcase it
> or if there'll be more like it
they never hint at qol stuff before its ready, if its not announced during opening live letter it wont come until 7.4 when they usually dump the qol updates they've done

dont get me wrong, i wanna see stuff too, but this is not stuff you get at fanfest or in big chunks, so yeah, if the wait end up being long, it will be a long time with a content lul

but i hope the devs are smart enough to have a surprise update/event schedule between .5 part 2 and the xpac release

>he can't cry that much.
just slap a cancer tag at some beloved dev and make them cry on stage
tell people ishikawa entered menopause or something

I'm going to be charitable and assume that the anon you're referring to is just trying to expect the worst to protect himself.

Yeah, I changed my mind. I was trying to be considerate, but it immediately switched to "u r naive yoshitpissu hates u soken cry about cancer lmao 11-12 months wait fanfest won't save the game" and I could tell that I made the wrong decision.

>I probably shouldn't have even replied to him in the first place to be fair, oh well.
Yeah, but you can't assume ahead of time or they'll just schizo out about that. Let them out themselves.

anon, there is precedence for delays, the devs are working with longer patch cycles, they have mroe time off the game now, they are giving wider time frames for the release, how expecting the worse from a dev team that have a recent history of delaying things is a "doomfag" thing?
are your kind so mentally deficient that you think anything that isn't blind praise for the game and denial of its flaws automatically means you're a wowdrone, doomfag and just hate the game and wants it to fail?

are you guys really that dumb?
it was criticism and expecting the best the devs can achiev that saved this game, being blind to its flaws or denying what is a probable and realistic release window won't help the game improve
your kind are a bunch of monkeys without any motherly love that can only see thinks as a game of me vs them, you're either agreeing with me or you're against me, you're either sucking yoshi's balls or you're a doomfag

i want the game to thrive, but i won't pretend that the devs are gonna deliver this at early summer when they gave the whole summer as a release window, how the fuck do you pull some doomfag bullshit out of it? are you a mentally ill troon or something that can only see things in extremes?

oh yeah i forgot there is only one person replying to this thread iam him golbez meta kate susan bigot

better gay than troon

summer ends in late september
devs have a month of vacation
the release must not compete with another release window

accept that the release will be august september now instead of huffing copium

the world was also really cool
that feeling when you first make your character and the area outside your starter city was your entire world felt really good, especially when you got stronger and were able to travel between major cities safely. You really felt like you got stronger when you could access more zones.

I tried to when I was a kid but for some dumb reason didnt realize it required an internet connection.

>Heavensward, the golden days of XIV
lul

I like the game, but the playerbase have got to be the most pampered shitfucks imaginable.
>WAAAH AURUM VALE
>WAAAH STEPS OF FAITH
>everything fun gets removed from the game
>parsetroons convince devs that turning every melee dps into the same job and every tank into the same job is a good idea because muh 2 minute ddr invuln phase with adds meta
It's all so tiresome.

It absolutely was.
>the only trial in the game that required you to do anything other than just hit the meatwall until it died
>even after it was nerfed shitters complained until it was removed from the game

Have you got any arguments or are you just another mentally destroyed broken record?
>lol
>lol

>I'm right because I am
Ok buddy.

>its only fun if i can afk and be carried by others, no i will not read tooltips

imo dawntrail already looks better content wise.
They are ditching islands for multiplayer focused efforts.
New battle content that's not forays.
Revamp forays, updates to Deep Dungeons, your usual raid, alliance, dungeons, criterion and shit.
All I need now is job identity back

>Yeah, Bozja and Eureka are two examples
can you give more examples then? if the statement below is true
>ignoring the fact that past expansions DID have content that kept people engaged
then surely there are more differences between SB, ShB and EW content besides the lack of a foray.

>we are removing the 4th fight in order to use the resources to program trusts for trials, pls understand and look foward to it

somehow, i like this, raiding have been dull and stale for so long that doing less of it for the same rewards weekly is a positive in my books