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I already did, can I die now?
stop posting selfies please, nobody wants to look at your mug
I got to the part where you kill Evil Rance and decided to stop playing right after finishing it. The 18v1 fight against him was dope and I wanted to end it on a high note instead of some stupid fight against God like every other jarpig
sure that was kino but it sure didn't dip after.
Good call, story goes full moron afterwards
>How good is the 2nd?
A villain who actually attacks you
Lots of throwbacks to suiko1
Improved rune system
OST is almost as good as suiko1, unfortunately they dropped the ball on dungeon BGM
Why should I? It looks like every other bog standard jrpg where you just mash x To get through walls of text and having to deal with the most basic battle system
It's fun.
How is reading walls of text and selecting shit from a DVD menu fun?
Reading is fun. And watching DVDs is also fun.
>Why should I? It looks like every other bog standard jrpg where you just mash x To get through walls of text and having to deal with the most basic battle system
Why do you even bother playing video games at all? Let me guess: Grand Strategy, FPS and isometric indie-games are your go-tos
Nope just games with actual gameplay
But you're a 20APM troglodyte, so you fail to grasp and play actual action games like DMC. Makes sense.
Neo twewy shits all over dmc
based
cringe
Yeah, just like Kingdom Hearts and FFXV does, too.
I've read all I need to, to discredit anything you have posted and will post in the future.
With gameplay like that, you might actually like the Suikoden series. It's not actually bog standard at all. Maybe skip Suikoden 1 if you must.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxH4E2Rvq8hCGjsTMHweQTAGcCrXOly972
How?
Why is he playing so slow? Anyone who intends to just press Attack on all characters should just press Auto? It even makes it so all your party members attack at the same time so you don't have to wait for them each to take turns.
>Maybe skip Suikoden 1 if you must.
It's pretty short anyway, you can probably get the "best" ending in under 10 hours and it establishes the lore for the whole series.
The battle system of XIII was legit shit though. You want positioning and timing to matter, you rip off Grandia or (god forbid) some older Tales.
>what makes them different than the rest of generic looking, mediocre, predictable JRPGS out there?
Suiko1 is kind of predictable since it came out when JRPGs were mostly the same. It did come with a well-written lore, some novelty elements for its time (6-man party, 100+ recruitable characters) and generally good writing and character interactions: the game beats you over the head for twenty minutes when a character is obviously going to die but when it actually happens the soundtrack and rudimentary spritework do a mighty fine job of making you care.
Suiko2 expanded on that with very good world building, making the world much more fleshed-out before the main writer fricked off halfway through the development of Suiko3, dooming the series to never having a real ending
I sound like a broken record but jarpigs need to stop ripping off 80s wizardry and start stealing Grandia and Growlanser style pseudo RTwP combat. Final Fantasy 13 getting shit on by its fans probably damned good battle systems for at least another 20 years
Beat the 1st one 100% and loved it. How good is the 2nd?
Much better. It has a run animation.
Did you get all the little item arrangement secrets in the bathrooms?
Don't tell me, you haven't read a book since your teacher forced you to either
>mash X 12 times because you need to attack
Just press Auto once and you're good.
I can’t figure out why these aren’t available for ps4 and ps5, yet are still supported on aging meme platforms.
Not trying to shit on them, because I havent tried them. But what makes them different than the rest of generic looking, mediocre, predictable JRPGS out there? It really has the looks of one.
You know, I have nothing of substance to add but I really can't stand mongoloids like you. If I'm reading you correctly and if your time is so precious, maybe you should find something else to do in your spare time, instead of posting online trying to get people to convince you how and why you should spend your time in a "hobby" that you would otherwise say you enjoy.
>couldn't actually answer the question because he knows deep down suikoden games are just bog standard jarpigs
Lmao
>Anyone who intends to just press Attack on all characters should just press Auto?
>dude just let the game play itself!
Why even bother playing at all then?
>Why even bother playing at all then?
Normally, you wouldn't just press Attack with all characters. There's other better things to do and the game doesn't have an MP system. I'm just saying, if you were planning on doing only basic attacks, why do it the slow way?
You have made your point that you are not interested in playing the series at all and any other poster would be calling you an out-right troll at this point so let me make it easier on you, because I have no interest in trying to convince you:
The suggestion is there for you to play it. Whether you do or don't is down to you, but for pity's sake; please don't act like you have the ability to freely make your own decisions when you have to ask "why" you should do something if given a recommendation or suggestion, even if you didn't ask for one--on a message board designed for discussion. Let's not forget to humble ourselves either; anything with a "genre" is designed to appeal to a certain demographic. If you are not into something, that's fair enough as it's not your taste and isn't for you, but make no mistake that if you don't like what you've seen from watching a YouTube video and decide to tell others that "I don't like it"--in the words of a generation you seem to fit quite well into, you need to remind yourself "who asked?"
I already did. Several times since the day they came out. They're great games. I don't expect most of Ganker to be able to appreciate them though, they'll compare it to JRPGs they've already played and will be disappointed. The creator meant for Suikoden I to be an "introduction" into JRPGs, so it's absurdly easy. The game is coded where if you rush for to the end of the dungeon, you'll encounter less enemies. If you wander around randomly trying to get your party to catch up in levels, you'll encounter more enemies. I like how it doesn't waste your time, and the games are interesting all the way through because of it. Though Suikoden II is much longer.
>108 characters to recruit
>base grows as your army gets more members
>six people party system
>war battles
>one on one duels
>great soundtrack
>good story
>hidden sideplot to unlock a powerful character to bring into your party in Suikoden II if you transfer your Suikoden I save data over
>unite attacks with certain party members
>unite magic attacks depending on what rune magic you use
>can customize each and every one of your members with different rune setups
To this day no other game has managed to have something like Suikoden. I don't expect dummies like to see how good it is though, which is expected from jaded, cynical morons on this board.
Done and done.
I fricked your mom while you were catching up to my best ending clear, too, OP.
>mfw the only Suikoden I've played and finished was Tierkreis
I'm too busy to try the other games now
>only Suikoden was Tierkreis
I'm sorry.
THEY'RE FRICKING SHIT AND WAY TOO EASY FRICK OFF THESE ARE THE MOST OVERRATED FRICKING GAMES FRICK JPRGS
>villain is evil... because he is evil
>and he's great at it
Why is the artbox for 1 so different?
American version. The Pal boxart is better and matches 2's.
Any modern games like Suikoden?
Eiyuden Chronicle is supposed to be like it but it's a Kickstarter game and doesn't come out until 2023 so we'll have to see if it ends up being any good.
If you like classic jrpgs, start with Suikoden 1.
If you don't like classic jrpgs, start with Suikoden 2.
I don't mind classic JRPGs. I mind archaic/grindy/bullshit gameplay that I don't have patience for as an adult. Is Suikoden 1 like that?
No. Suikoden series is anti grind. And calling it too easy is somewhat valid just because of it's anti grind exp system.
Every level requires 1000 exp and enemies give you more exp the higher level they are compared to you. It's not uncommon for you to have a side character gain 40 levels at once because he was so underleveled compared to the enemy.
Surprisingly, they can even out level your main character because of this, shooting from level 5 all the way to 60, while the rest of your party stay at level 50 gaining normal amounts of exp.
It isn't. If you bring a level 1 character to an endgame dungeon or something, he'll gain dozens of levels and will quickly be on par with your main character and favorite characters. You get so much money in both games it's trivial to gear them up too.
Not really. But be on the lookout for Eiyuden Chronicle. The creator behind Suikoden I and II (Yoshitaka Murayama) is creator, producing, and directing it. I didn't crowdfund it but I'm hoping it'll be great.
Interestingly enough, no. You'd think "frickton of characters in RPG" would be more of a niche someone would cater to.
What is a good starting point for Suikoden?
First game is short by JRPG standards clocking in at some 20-ish hours, but it has annoyances like limited personal inventory, game forcing characters on you more than any other, Rune limitations, etc. 2 improved on it in almost every way, but is also simply the GRANDER version of the original so you can gauge your interest.
Tir and Riou could basically duo the entire Suikoden 2 if you got him earlier. Their Runes complement perfectly.
I would honestly play the first game before Suikoden II. Suikoden I is one of few games that you would benefit from playing before the second game. A lot of returning characters show up, there's a lot of references to the first game, and you revisit a prominent area in Suikoden II from Suikoden I. There's a hidden subplot you can unlock if you transfer your completed save file too. You would appreciate Suikoden II a lot more if you played the first game. And if you don't like Suikoden I anyway, I guarantee you won't like the second one. It's basically the first game on steroids.
>if you don't like Suikoden I anyway, I guarantee you won't like the second one
This is not true. Even though everything else you said is exactly right, I know plenty of people who couldn't get through 1 but still ended up loving 2.
They only went back to play 1 afterwards because of how much they liked 2 and wanted to be able to recruit McDohl.
bad games
Kys wojakshitter.
To be fair most Suikoden games have the final boss just for the sake of having one. Story is usually resolved earlier.
He sorta is the final boss. You can feel his influence (listen to his music, his theme is intertwined there) when fighting the beast rune. It was his intention to release it on the world after crushing the City-State.
What's funny is that Luca didn't really hate Jillia like everyone else because she looks like his mother. Or at least tolerated her.
Really should give these games another shot. Also Nanami is cute as hell.
>mute MC
>give him a hyperactive sidekick to get him into trouble
The Suikoden MC actually talks a lot. You just can't hear it. He gets himself into trouble all the time.
>Eyuden Chronicle will probably not sell well.
If Murayama's track record of nothing for twenty years followed by a fricking Dynashit Warriors game is anything to go by, I expect Eyuden Chronicles to be a steaming pile.
I legit hate that they gave Luca a sob story to justify his being evil. He was a piece of shit from the beginning to the end, he was a believable threat to the player and single handedly made Suikoden II memorable regardless of the state of his mommy's vag
Did anyone actually like this homosexual? Also find it funny that you get the 'True Friendship' attack after banishing his sorry ass like 3 times.
such a shame you must spare him for the best ending
Was Tactics worth playing?
No. I legitimately wanted to kill him every time they let me. The fact that I had a suspicion that he was a star of destiny saved him. Jowy wasn't a star, so he might not have been either, but I didn't want to risk it.
Yes if you like tactics games and the story of 4.
Snowe had a character arc, and he was pretty much the only character to have one in Suckoden IV. After capturing him for the second time I just pitied him.
Shame there can only be four characters in the party because I'm not swapping out my bro Reinbach for Snowe.
I really don't think Winning Eleven/PES undersold when it was a huge favourite among normies for over fifteen years
Nanami is shit though. Tongay was really surrounded by the worst people, first Jowy and then her. I wish I could just frick off with the gypsies at the end of the game, at least Eilie cares about Tongay and they can be a family with Rina and Bolgan.
His name is Riou. Don't call him Tongay, he's a good boy. Yeah he's no Tir McDohl but nobody's perfect.
Suikoden II kinda sucks tbqh
>clan of master strategists
>Silverberg
Really makes you think.