So far I'm halfway through the movie of the first Xenosaga and it seems pretty good, 7-8/10, and I heard the third one is the best. I'll drop it if III isn't some mindblowing masterpiece though.
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Does Xenosaga get better?
So far I'm halfway through the movie of the first Xenosaga and it seems pretty good, 7-8/10, and I heard the third one is the best. I'll drop it if III isn't some mindblowing masterpiece though.
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No. II drops to like a 3-4/10 and III is about the same as I.
Darn, sorry to hear that. Do you care to share a bit more, maybe just 2-4 sentences of added context? If you're not too busy
Also, what are your 10/10s?
Xenosaga is a pretentious mess that kind of devolves into a space soap opera by the end. It's not even worth a watch, let alone a playthrough.
Well I'm watching at 4.00x speed right now so it might barely be still worth my time.
What do you have against space soap opera btw?
>What do you have against space soap opera btw?
The fact that this is supposed to be grandiose scifi epic about examining the progress of humanity into the space age in a universe where the supernatural elements of Abrahamic religions are more rooted in reality, but instead boils down to the personal drama of a handful of characters in the series. I could go into more spoiler territory, but it's just not up to snuff.
I think I see the point you're trying to make, but if I want to get very technical, I see nothing wrong with making the climaxes of a story about "progress of humanity", etc etc, based all on personal drama, all stories are about characters after all.
>but if I want to get very technical, I see nothing wrong with making the climaxes of a story about "progress of humanity", etc etc, based all on personal drama, all stories are about characters after all.
It's personal drama that's only very tangentially died to those. This isn't like Xenogears where the people involved in that personal drama are powerful figures with the fate of the world in their hands. Well, I guess they kind of are, but in a way more roundabout and indirect way than the former.
Again, I want to make clear that I think I get your point. But still, that's technically not a valid complaint. That's basically how War and Peace is as well and since I'm too lazy to explain why it's good, I'll just say critics tend to agree that War and Peace is great (I know that's an argumentative fallacy, appeal to authority etc, don't really care though)
Unless you want to get spoiled, I can't elaborate.
Maybe you could briefly elaborate in spoiler tags? Because I might give up on the series before this thread 404s and come to read it
Shion's character arc eventually amounts to daddy issues and having to choose between her douchebag not-so-dead husband and Allen. That's the main character arc explored in Xenosaga III.
Since I just super speed speed watched through Xenosaga Ep III, I opened your spoiler, and yeah that seems accurate and a bit disappointing. I mean, not necessarily TERRIBLE, but yeah I definitely get what point you were making now.
also shion glowed up like crazy
>Well I'm watching at 4.00x speed
You... you're not even playing it, but you won't even watch it at normal speed?
What's the point? Do you want to pretend to be into it or something? If you don't like something then you don't like something. What the frick is wrong with people these days?
Man let's be real, 1.00x speed is fricking torture, I'm not going to watch the super duper government leader make his hyper technological chair swivel for 10 whole seconds before getting out of it and exiting the scene
I know, but at this point you’re not even enjoying it so what’s the point? Don’t force yourself to watch it if you really hate it that much, just go play the new Xenoblades or something.
I just wanted to see what all the hype was about
See above. How can you enjoy a chair swiveling for 10 seconds though
>I just wanted to see what all the hype was about
homie what hype, xenosaga games have always been treated as the black sheep(s) in the xeno games.
As they should. That said, Xenosaga still has plenty of interesting lore and elements that carried over from Xenogears, the Perfect Works and also elements that carried over to Xenoblade 1&2.
Stuff like Realians/Artificial Blades, DME Addicts/Flesh Eaters, everything related to nanomachine technology, etc.
>I just wanted to see what all the hype was about
just read a plot synopsis then ffs
that's like saying to look at the cover of a book to see what the hype is about
>watching cutscenes
>at 4x speed
You're already doing the equivalent of reading a synopsis.
no, reading a synopsis is looking at a book cover
if it was good it wouldn't just be 10 minutes
Sounds like you only play big franchises you "know" wont be shit. You should develop your own taste
If you're so nitpicky as to take a casual statement so literally then you should be intelligent enough to know that if a synopsis doesn't cover enough for you then you can move on to reading a plot summary.
nah, experiencing one medium through another is kinda lame already, doing it two mediums removed is worse
Then just play the Xenoblades.
I did, and I enjoyed it. I played through them all. I guess my question is why are you forcing yourself? Wouldn't a wikia article or something be better? I'm sure there's summaries out there and you could get through it all in an hour or so after following character and place links around (I do this with Warhammer 40k since I have no interest in the games or books)
>watching a game instead of playing it
People like you deserve to be dragged into the street and publicly flo-
shot. Publicly shot. What the frick. Jump into a fricking tire fire, you genuine, literal, actual subhuman creature.
I don't get it bro, let's say you think Undertale is a shitty zoomer meme game for example. Let's say you try it for 10 minutes and think it's gay and shit. But your friends tell you IT GETS BETTER!!!!! So you watch it a playthrough YouTube at 4.00x speed to get what they're all talking about. Does that example make more sense for you?
No. That's still fricking stupid. You already know it sucks, watching it isn't going to make it suck any less. Watching it at 4x isn't going to make it suck any less. If you hated the experience playing it, it's not going to improve. Unless you liked the cutscenes, there's no point, and if you did like them enough to want to keep seeing them, it would (or should) be enough of a pull to keep you playing until the next scene.
If you don't like it, just stop playing it and find another game. You're just wasting hours of your own time you could spend playing or watching something you actually enjoy. That's the point of video games, entertainment.
I didn't know it sucked and it took me all of 1 hour to at least understand why it got so popular.
So, you didn't even try to play it yourself, then? Like I said, you're a genuine subhuman.
Did you read the thread?
>try the game for 10 minutes
That's already moronic by itself. If my friends kept insisting on something being better I'd just experience it as it was intended or just aknowledge that it just isnt my thing.
Holy frick get a life, and I say that posting on Ganker
Shut the frick up you fricking homosexual. You know nothing about this game and its moronic slow-ass fight system. This would be great for a modern xenoblade type action game, but you've never even tried it. XSII is even worse. This shit is pretty much meant to be watched.
really conflicted because even people who acknowledge that 1 and 2 are weak comparatively seem to love 3.
Jesus christ look at all these top price seiyuu
no wonder this trilogy almost bankrupted them
didn't they also get the grand philharmonic orchestra for the ost or some shit
absolutely moronic planning.
Yeah, they got the London Philharmonic Orchestra to perform most of Xenosaga Episode I's OST. It cost a pretty penny for sure.
>I mean at least Xenoblade ended up getting to that level, and it's still run by Takahacki right?
By Xenoblade, Monolithsoft learned that making plot dumps wasn't feasible, so they focused more on the gameplay side of things. Ironically, the Xenoblade games have more cutscenes per game than Xenosaga, but they balance it out with potentially hundreds of hours of playtime. Nintendo also gave them a pretty generous development period for Xenoblade 1. That game took around four years to finish, so its didn't suffer the same budget and dev time constraints that Xenosaga had.
>Are Valkyrie Profile and Odin Sphere good? Trying to get through my backlog
Valkyrie Profile is tri-Ace jank and Odin Sphere is a repetitive mess. YMMV.
What are your 10/10 games?
Well, that's a weird question. What are you looking for?
Your taste.
Okay? Some of my 10/10s are Super Metroid, Castlevania: SotN, and Resident Evil 4, which are nothing like Xenosaga.
gotcha, was just curious if you had shit taste or good taste
>Nintendo also gave them a pretty generous development period for Xenoblade 1. That game took around four years to finish, so its didn't suffer the same budget and dev time constraints that Xenosaga had.
Always hilarious to me how people go for the "they didn't have time/money!" excuse when there are multiple interviews that not only kill those moronic rumors for good but also blatantly say the problem was with Takahashi being a lazy quitter.
The games were unironically supposed to compete with the likes of FF, but Takahashi was a woefully overambitious hack who didn't quite realize that novelistic scifi plots don't really translate well to JRPGs.
I mean at least Xenoblade ended up getting to that level, and it's still run by Takahacki right?
Jesus really? Damn that's next level. For some reason Kojima flashed in my mind also when I read your post haha
>III isn't some mindblowing masterpiece though.
III is really good but worse than gears/blade games, use that as a reference point
So the best saga game is worse than the gears/blade games? Frick I've been lied to then I thought saga was the best of the best
people telling you I and II were boring didn't tip you off?
I thought it was like all the other trilogies I've ever experienced where they're all shit but the last one is actually amazing
Also guys, question
>Also guys, question
Are Valkyrie Profile and Odin Sphere good? Trying to get through my backlog
Yuki kaijura deserved better man. She put her heart and soul into this and no one even knows she did the OST
She didn't compose Episode II by herself. All the non-cutscene music was composed by Shinji Hosoe.
Considering the movies got a soundtrack release and the in-game only got sketchy rips, I'd say that latter guy's the one who deserved better. Some of the non-movie OST for that game was excellent as frick, especially moodsetters like the ormus battleship in the Abyss.
Most of the background tracks were horrible. The Second Miltia running theme was abysmal.
Some of the stuff he wrote did not fit Xenosaga at all, and the rest was just forgettable tbh.
The techno music was a fitting theme, but holy shit was it irritating and just bad
Will they ever remake gears or is there some rights issue with it.
owned by square enix
Episode III is a wonderful game but it's also the shortest and the game with less content of the three.
Art direction was finally good, but unlike Episode I, most of the "cutscenes " are told through text boxes with static images, similar to Wild arms 5 or Persona 3/4.
Episode I had an obscene amount of cutscenes.
Episode II post game doubles the play time of it, and I had dozens of minigames and real-time cutscenes.
Episode III is a better game, but still.
Oh, and don't let other people trick you that Xenosaga has more plot than Gears and Blade. Each Xenosaga is 20, 30hrs long, unlike Gears that's 60~70hrs long.
Xenoblade 1 and 2 are huge as well.
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I loved xenosaga one and three back in the day. Haven't played them since. I bet if like them if I replayed them
Xeno a shit
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One of the greatest scenes in all of vidya
Yeah it does. Call me a contrarian, but I genuinely like 2 more than 1. Also, Xenogears is better overall, if you haven’t played that yet, do it.
>watching
>not playing
I wish 3 kept 2's combat, I kinda liked the proto-blade style fighting with launching and toppling, doing that shit to bosses and then bursting them down in 2 seconds was fun as shit
If all you're doing is watching the movies, III will not impact you in the least. III gets acclaim because the RPG gameplay was the most solid of the three entries.
Which game has the Yu-Gi-Oh mini game again? I remember getting really into that.
The CCG? First.
I didn’t do the game, but I enjoyed the mech battles and the drill game.
>Xenosaga I
>8/10
I geniunely wonder how a JRPG gay's mind works and how they constantly give shitty games this incredible scores. A drab, ugly movie game with a nonsense, simplistic battle system (what the frick does roulette have to do with a space opera?) that dumps boring ass, kojima-tier encyclopedia dialog on you every 20 seconds and has practically no music to save room for more encyclopedia dialog. You spend the majority of the game running around gray corridors to find the next 30 minute encyclopedia Kojima cutscene until the game just decides to end. Then your reward for sticking through it all is a bad game (II) and a slightly improved game that had all the story cut out because they figured out they weren't going to get their 8 game series.
>tfw no kirschwasser gf
>Best character's story is told in lost media
Sad. He’s my favourite party member, but JR grew on me during Saga 2. I’m over halfway through saga 2 though.