he's a pirate, he gets to enjoy tobacco as this wonderful luxury that brings him joy through association rather than the chemicals fucking with him
a smoking habit sticks from both the endorphins it gives and the repetitive action; that's why are regular kindred would keep it up, just out of habit. Jack's lived a long life and probably enjoyed raiding some trading and fishing ships just for the stuff when blood was pumping through his veins so he probably has this good memory stimuli to it as well
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>One shtick
Toreador gets free reign to roleplay any personality you want in conversations which is the backbone of the game 🙂
Disciplines are also very versatile albeit unexciting outside of dude gun man, which does let you play differently but >>>>>>vtmb combat >>>>>>vtmb "gameplay"
It's even funnier when prostitutes in Chinese massage place kick-open their doors
How much can vampires truly even feel love? They actually don't feel lust in the way humans do, so logically they can focus on deeper feelings of intimacy but I feel like they're just dead to humanity
They can. Depending on your humanity you can even have (and even enjoy) sex without help of touch of life. You need to have ridiculously high humanity for it though. As for platonic love, vampires have "touchstones" - humans whom they've grown attached to. These touchstones are like anchors who keep their humanity from plummeting.
How much can vampires truly even feel love? They actually don't feel lust in the way humans do, so logically they can focus on deeper feelings of intimacy but I feel like they're just dead to humanity
It's rare, but vampires can feel honest and true love. They can also feel lust but the lore keeps going back and forth on it.
Even a lower humanity vampire could love truly, at least until V5 gatekept all the love and horny behind high humanity. They might be a shitty person in most regards, slowly sliding to beastdom, but they can still love someone. It can often be the only thing keeping some vampires from going fully bestial. You know, sappy melodramatic forbidden love shit.
it looks like they're trying, which is more than i would say about the previous incarnation of it. it'll probably be more or less ok, but not much more than that. of course it'll never capture what the original did, but it won't be an unmitigated trainwreck either.
I'm wondering if we will get references to other supernaturals the same way we got depictions of wraiths and werewolves. I'd be fine with just those 2 again, but a depiction of changeling or a demon would be really cool. I'd like to interact with the fae, mages and even the garou on cordial terms. Speaking to wraiths about the deadlands could be fascinating especially if you don't know anything about that particular bit of world of darkness. I'd want any of that for at least just one side quest. But this being 5th edition, I'm sure most of that is all off the table.
I had vague hopes when Brian Mitsoda was still on the project. But after they apparently overhauled everything during development Hell I'm staying cynical.
Desperate people do desperate things. It's 2004, times were different. She wanted her club to be a reality, but either couldn't get a loan, or a GOOD loan for what she wanted. So she bit the bullet and took a crimelord's money. WIth all the caviats that come with that kinda Faustian bargin.
>To not lose your business and get your legs broken you have to pay money and body to some Soviet Slimeball
Hey anon if you need something done, would you fuck a fat ugly bastard from a NTR comic? Like without irony WOULD YOU? Don't just type yes because you're anonymous and it has no consequence. WOULD YOU???
Except Boris isn't a fat ugly bastard in-game at all.
Nice try comparing apples to oranges though.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is; Would you fuck a disgusting slimeball who shoves his cock into you just because he has leverage over you? Don't dodge the question by going "OH UHH HE'S NOT FAT SO IT DOESN'T COUNT".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not that original guy you're replying to, but the answer for me is no, because I'm not a stupid woman who would make a deal with an obviously sinister R*ssian mafia boss.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah but what if she didn't have a choice? (Let's be fair here and honestly we don't know, or are motivated to CARE about how she found herself in that position to begin with. The only thing that matters is she gives us stupid money once you kill the Russian dude. But it's certainly better than just going "Stupid women lol").
Venus wasn't innocent and there is no hint that she had to pay exporbitant rates. In anyway, there isn't a single innocent person you deal with. Everyone is a "sinner"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
...except for Chunk.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
ever heard of gluttony anon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He has a glandular problem
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the seven deadly sins are medieval fanfiction
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
t. Chunk
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I felt bad for having to drink him.
Both because he was just an innocent dupe that was just in the way, and also because his blood was probably incredibly unhealthy. If you can suck a druggie to get high, my character probably had the itis and the vampire equivalent of type 2 diabetes after leaving venture tower.
None really since We haven't seen what this iteration looks like beyond the trailer.
Hope: They Salvage what they can from the other build and maybe we get something, not exactly GOTY, but still solid
Cope: It'll prolly be a ok AA VTM game that'll lean H A R D on the OG Bloodlines fans to buy the game day 1.
Reality: Zoomers and Gen Alpha's whining about the "woke" stuff and shitposting about it while never touching the game to see beyond the surface level.
After all of the shit that has happened with the game's development hell, if the Chinese Room end up releasing a Bloodlines II that is merely "good", it will still have been a triumph for them.
I know I shouldn't be but I'm hopeful it'll be a good game, probably nowhere near as good as the first but still a good game all the same. Hopefully they can get Schaffer to return for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_kez_xwJs&ab_channel=MyBeardIsGrowing
Best case scenario is a DX HR situation, a sequel that's a fun game on its own even if not good or influential as the original
However, with Mitsoda and Schaffer out, plus V5 and the fact that Paradox seems to micromanaging the thing, the chances are slim.
I don't think they even mentioned him one way or another. The new studio has their own in-house composer. I doubt they'd outsource the music, but we'll have to wait and see.
Guaranteed shit. The characters will all be ugly and unlikeable because that is what sells now.
If you asked me 10 years ago I would have been hyped on name alone.
there were zero color hair tumblrinas in the vid they posted
in fact they were all normal looking white people, and shockingly there was only whites and asians in the trailer.
Won't be good, but won't be the le worst thing evah so everyone will automatically say it's good and nobody will really play it for long. It'll make more than enough to recoup its cost and in 2 years everyone will have forgotten it was even a thing. You know, typical vidya cycle.
Generation determines three things, maximum blood pool, blood per turn, and trait cap. Being able to hold more blood is good, but it's not like you're more efficient, you need to drink more blood to actually use that advantage. Blood per turn is really strong if you're in a physical fight, because it lets you pump your attributes much quicker to flatten someone physically but beyond a physical fight it doesn't do much. Trait cap is where generation starts really mattering but you don't get to go past 5 dots until you're 7th gen and up. And you need the exp to actually raise those attributes so without age or skill it won't matter as much. Generation is also really good for dominate because you're immune to dominate from anyone with a higher generation than yours.
So while a strict upgrade for everyone, being embraced 7th gen doesn't mean you can start kicking everyone's ass immediately. In fact a young vampire with a potent generation is walking diablerie-bait.
>In fact a young vampire with a potent generation is walking diablerie-bait.
When you diablerize someone do you also gain some of their traits and abilities? Or do you just lower your generation? Is it the same to diablerize an ancient 6th gen or a newly made one?
Rules as written diablerie is actually pretty underwhelming. You just gain one generation and MAYBE some disciplines but only temporarily.
Which is odd because the lore implies that a successful diablerie can take you up to your victim's level regardless of how many generations between them, and take some of their disciplines. You're not going to get their attributes or skills, though. Just steal some of, but rarely all of, their supernatural power.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you're saying had there really been an Antediluvian in the sarcophagus that Lacroix had sucked and fucked he might not had even gained that much power?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rules as written, yes. Like I said, it's weird how bad it is in the mechanics.
Lore? Nobody's actually successfully eaten an Antediluvian except Troile probably. A 200 year old like him would've gotten taken over by the Antediluvian and worn like a cheap suit.
maybe to try to dissuade powergaming players
Probably.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>get woken from your peaceful slumber >you are in la >you have become french
truly a fate worse than death
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>please Caine... anything but USA or France
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>antedilluvian
A vampire from Lacroix generation would be downright possessed by it. Even a methuselah would do it a vampire of his generation.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
maybe to try to dissuade powergaming players
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The thing about Tabletop is the GM can ignore shit as appropriate. So I wouldn't put too much stock in that. The written limitations were probably a good thing as even then you'd see a lot of players viewing diablerie as some kind of alternative character progression goal rather than a storytelling tool.
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What makes you say that?
Not saying you're wrong, I just don't know the lore. Swear he was roasted on the bed. How did he fake his death?
vampires only turn to ashes when they are over 100 years old. vampires younger than that just leave their corpse. grout was turned around 1920.
however, the game is not faithful to the books
>vampires don't leave skeletons when they die
I feel like this is probably common knowledge so Grout was essentially banking on the fledgling being too stupid to notice
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vampires only turn to ashes when they are over 100 years old. vampires younger than that just leave their corpse. grout was turned around 1920.
however, the game is not faithful to the books
Holy FUCK you're absolutely right.
How the fuck did I never realise that?
I must have melted like a hundred vampires over the story and they always just burned away to nothing. But for some reason I found a skeleton on Grout's bed and thought "Yeah damn they got him I guess, that sucks".
I feel like an absolute clown right now.
Yes, at least from what I remember only really old vampires would turn to ash. I’m not exactly sure how it works with Grout since he would be dead by this point if he weren’t a vampire, but I’m pretty sure he still just turns to a corpse as he had only been a vampire for 50-80 years
There is a fan theory that Grout is the one sending you the e-mails. The main basis of the theory is the chess references. Look up a picture of the interior of Grout's mansion.
That's it though. Everyone looks at Smiling Jack like he was just some troublesome drifter. Even Lacroix speaks about him with contempt, like he's an irritating hobo and nothing more.But spending time with Jack makes you realize that he's a lot smarter than he looks. He uses people's judgement of his outward appearance and attitude to have them underestimate him, even Lacroix. I could easily see him emailing you messages talking about chess and then walking back into the Anarchs bar and hanging out listening to Lecher Bitch like any other meathead.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's smart, but that doesn't mean he'd give two shits about the highfalutin' rich boy game that is Chess. His crassness isn't an act, that's him. The same pirate who was too violent to ever make it past Mate and who took the royal pardon only to kill a rich boy in a bar fight a few months later. He's smart as a whip, but Chess metaphors seem like the kind of thing he'd loudly mock to the entire room.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He's smart, but that doesn't mean he'd give two shits about the highfalutin' rich boy game that is Chess. >Chess metaphors seem like the kind of thing he'd loudly mock to the entire room.
Exactly! That's exactly the impression he gives his enemies (and friends). You would never suspect it of him. This is a guy who managed to convince a city full of vampires that an ancient vampire was about to bust out and murder them, and who eventually managed to sneak a giant bomb literally under the nose of Sebastian Lacroix. He's cunning and smart enough to me to be the one sending the emails. >His crassness isn't an act, that's him.
Yes, but I suspect at times it's overplayed for effect on others. Enough of his dialogue with you is sincere and honest enough, without being crass for crassness' sake.
I don't think it's impossible, but I think the theory that it's Grout is a stretch from Malkavian fans who want to see his hand in everything behind the scenes.
I also suspect it's Jack since he's the only one who has "known" the player from the start. I seriously doubt it was Grout sending you the first emails you got when you don't even interact with his part of the story until the last third of the game or so. Jack wanted to use you to make sure the sarcophagus got to Lacroix, but wanted to subtly warn you not to be in the room when it did.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've read his tabletop lore. He really, really isn't the type for chess metaphors. Nor does he have anything to gain from them. Cryptic bullshit is Malkavian 101.
>Vampires with immortality and incredible supernatural powers >Spend all their time on street thug tier nazi gangs
Why did they think this would be cool?
Also, how the fuck is Rudi a "strict materialist" but also a "practicing Muslim"?
>Why did they think this would be cool?
Everyone on Ganker conveniently ignores this, but early in v5's development WW got called out by a group of woke twitter transplants who created this schizo ramble about how WW was full of Nazi dog whistles in the original core book.
So by the time the Anarch book released they massively overcorrected and let this shit leak through.
>Everyone on Ganker conveniently ignores this
No?
Everyone knows that story and how during a release stream or something someone superchatted WW to ask of they disavowed antifa because they were talking about hoe the game wasn't for nazis and the guy threw a fit
None of those stories paint a better picture
>give the only white heterosexual character a lame name like Tobias and constantly treat him like a moron
Do people like that enjoy being perceived like a fucking doormat by minorities?
Yes. It makes them feel very super not racist. Left wing white people like that basically think that if they didn't live like that they'd transform into a nazi at any second.
its a lot to take in but, even putting it all aside, Im confused as to how a vampire could get gender reassignment surgery? wont the genitals just....heal back?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Correct. I think he's mad that he couldn't get the wound before the embrace, so he's stuck with a penis for eternity.
Think of it like this: it wasn't just a single murder, it was the FIRST murder. It introduced the concept into creation. Every single murder since Biblical times has been a direct result of Caine's chimp out and subsequent lying to God.
He could, theoretically, be cured from his curse any time, he just need to repent and admit his deed. As for the others, it was their choice to turn people into chairs or baali devil worship, Golconda was there to show that vampires don't need to be unrepentant monsters.
Caine performing that murder introduced that type of evil into the world. That event even got the Fallen angels, now demons, into thinking what sort of sick shit they could do to humanity since they were all so much more powerful than us. If Caine never introduced murder into the world, some of the most powerful and evil entities, the earthbound, would never have corroded human history and progress in all the evil ways they had up to the modern day.
That's not really the point. The idea that what Caine did isn't as bad as flesh crafting a family into furniture is inaccurate, as far as world of darkness logic goes, since Caine murdering Abel opened the door to all that horrible shit and directly inspired demons to commit the atrocities that shaped the world (if darkness) into what it is now.
Think of it like this: it wasn't just a single murder, it was the FIRST murder. It introduced the concept into creation. Every single murder since Biblical times has been a direct result of Caine's chimp out and subsequent lying to God.
Caine performing that murder introduced that type of evil into the world. That event even got the Fallen angels, now demons, into thinking what sort of sick shit they could do to humanity since they were all so much more powerful than us. If Caine never introduced murder into the world, some of the most powerful and evil entities, the earthbound, would never have corroded human history and progress in all the evil ways they had up to the modern day.
Also he not only killed Abel and committed the first murder, he also lied to God, which for God was the bigger no no.
The Eldest. >According to some stories he's the result of Pure Evil being vomited into some dude and then being embraced. >Vicissitude user #1, makes the rest of his clan look like a bunch of Chuunis. >Would go around fleshwarping random people in prehistory for fun. When one of them got turned inside out and said "meh", that was the first person he ever embraced. >So evil a Salubri Methuselah mistook him for a demon and knocked him into Torpor. >When one of his other childer wanted to commit suicide, he reconstructed him as a fetus, and Mpreg'd another Tzimisce to carry it to term. >His clan tried to murder him, he ate the rebel leader, impersonated him, mindbroke out of sheer fear the one guy smart enough to figure it out, and then went to bed. >Has decided to become an eldritch monstrosity of flesh, currently under NY absorbing biomass so he can become a city-sized Kaiju meets The Thing.
Nobody knows for certain. The Irad purging himself of evil story isn't clear what that actually means. Maybe he's Irad's Beast or a Bane-possessed human that was embraced by Enoch. There's also other stories, such as that he was a Mage. I've never heard the theory that he's something like an Earthbound, but The Eldest did have some sort of relationship with Kupala, an Earthbound in the Carpathians. Some say Kupala gave the clan Vicissitude but I find it more likely he's responsible for Koldunic Sorcery.
He's just an asshole. Some theorize Ventru kicked him out of the Second City for being a cunt, some Tzimisce claim he left way back when the First City was around, he wound up in the Carpathians to avoid the Flood, and his curse isn't from Caine but from using that soil to survive the flood. Some even think Vicissitude IS the Eldest, and all who practice it shall be devoured by him come Gehenna.
Man the Kupala/Eldest thing illustrates perfectly how the Tzimisce are the one clan trying to wear two different hats thay don't fit together
They can't be old blood Transylvanian sorcerer vamps a la dracula and fleshcrafting sexual schizophrenics religious nuts are the same time
Yeah... I really don't care for WoD's take on Dracula and the Tzimisce sometimes suffer from needing to be tied to him. I like their lore the most when they feel like they can do their own thing.
Book Dracula struck me as either the least subtle Ventrue, a Lasombra, or the classiest Gangrel.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah that connection never really felt natural to me either no matter how they tried to angle it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't think they were going for the book dracula, I think they were going for the actual vlad tepes. which very much tracks as a tzimisce with the ramming blunt stakes up peoples asses through their throats enough times to make a garden of them thing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
pic related
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think 1e had Dracula authoring some texts, with his clan being completely ambiguous, because like you said he could fit in almost any of the original 7.
Every major Clan needs to be tied to a time and a place, something to give the player the general idea of what the Clan is
The Ventrue have Rome
The Tremere have Imperial Austria and so on
It's an idea of what the clan is. It's weird that the Tzimisce, who have an antidiluvian that claims primogeniture, and whose entire mentality is that of superiority and ascension over the rest of kindred, have their time and place be early modern eastern europe.
Like, why not Babylon?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah I really liked 1e's Dracula authored opening. The 1e core is probably the peak atmosphere the tabletop ever achieved even if the lore is half baked and the mechanics are completely busted.
Though I don't think every clan needs to be tied to a time and place. The Ventrue may have been insanely powerful in Rome but they've been in the halls of most great Empires because that's sort of what they do. Plus too much region-locking clans and you get "all Lasombra are latin" , "Brujah are the black people clan", and "all Tzimisce are romanian" as stereotypes even if they're not true.
I like the Eldest as this timeless thing, completely inhuman.
I don't think they were going for the book dracula, I think they were going for the actual vlad tepes. which very much tracks as a tzimisce with the ramming blunt stakes up peoples asses through their throats enough times to make a garden of them thing.
By the time they decided to give him any lore, yes. But I don't really care for it myself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Though I don't think every clan needs to be tied to a time and place.
A Clan needs a general identity, and that can only come from a time and a place.
It gives solidity to what the general idea of the clan is.
It doesn't mean it's fixed and all encompassing, but it does fit most.
It's simply unrealistic that the Clans wouldn't have an apex in a region and in a certain time and every clan proliferated equally everywhere at the same time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Exactly evenly, no. But "Ventrue = Roman" is too broad a brush. Many clans represent archetypes, or the different sides of vampirism. They often step on each other's toes. "Lords" or "Vampire as evil elite" isn't locked to a single place or time. Neither is "Vampire as tortured artist" or "the sexy ones".
It's why clans rely more and more on ethnic gimmicks as they got invented. Ravnos, Assamite, Giovanni, they all came later to the game than the Cam 7 or even the Sabbat 2.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But "Ventrue = Roman" is too broad a brus
I never stated that every Ventrue is roman. >Many clans represent archetypes, or the different sides of vampirism
They more represent different iterations of vampire depictions over time
Brujah are Lost Boys
Ventrue are classical victorian vampires
Toreador are Anne Rice vamps
Nosferatu the movie's namesake
Tremere are an Ars Magicka reference
Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
Malkavians were Renfield or just crazies the author knew, I dunno
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
is that why
I was wondering why there were werewolf vampires and actual werewolves in the game when I played it.
maybe they should have been like gargoyles or something instead of wolves to avoid the confusion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gargoyles
Aren't those the african dudes?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no idea, I don't know shit about this setting aside from what's in the video game. I just mentioned that because gargoyles are traditionally associated with vampires and it's a beast-like thing that isn't a wolf.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're thinking of the Nagoplers
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>is that why
Ye. >maybe they should have been like gargoyles or something
There's gargoyles in VtM, they're mutated vampires that the Tremere kindly created and shepherded from the perils of the world
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I always took it as more beast-like folklore vampires. I doubt we'll know the true reason unless Mark Rein-Hagen said what each clans inspiration was.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Malkavians were Renfield or just crazies the author knew, I dunno
Malkavians are the Joss Whedon/Buffy reference. Drusilla/River Tam?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
1e VtM predates the Buffy Movie.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
were they really? animal forms show up in dracula and carmilla (kinda) so they seemed like just an extension of that
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but extending a whole Clan too just one of Dracula's abilities would be too much
I've no doubt that factored in, but the whole "origin of myths" thing was the primary reason
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
is that why
I was wondering why there were werewolf vampires and actual werewolves in the game when I played it.
maybe they should have been like gargoyles or something instead of wolves to avoid the confusion.
Gangrel seem like old Balkan vampires, bros who hide in the woods and attack isolated mills.
I feel like it's one of those things they tell you not to do but if you do do it they're just like "ah okay whatever" especially if you get the kind of power Lacriox was hoping for
The marks get harder to perceive over time, and the Camarilla doesn't actually care unless you get caught.
Plus if he actually stole even a fraction of an Antediluvian's power nobody in LA could have stopped him. Still a dumb plan though. By the third suicide mission the fledgeling aced he should have pivoted to blood bonding them and using them as a blunt implement to take over the city rather than keep trying to kill them.
Kinda. Blood Bonding is sort of like making another vampire feel affection for you. It can spiral into them wanting a deeper bond, and there's three levels of it. At the third level you're pretty much sucking the ass of your master as hard as you can.
Yep. The blood bond works on Vampires too, though unlike ghouls they get nothing out of it. It's really hard to trick someone into drinking from you three times, each on a different night, but the Camarilla sometimes blood bonds vampires to Prince/Sheriff/Primogen as a punishment. Since LaCroix can dominate you, there wouldn't be anything stopping him from just blood bonding the fledgeling who he was technically within his rights to execute.
The blood bond does fade if not renewed for a year and a day, but when you're stage 3 blood bound it's near impossible to refuse further drinks when offered them.
very interesting and very true that LaCroix logically could have done so. i guess its one of those things that would just make the story unplayable
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a lot of things he could've done to just win, yeah, but as you said at that point there wouldn't be a game to play.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
but that's kinda his character, if lacroix was the type to take the safe bet in general there wouldn't be much of a story either.
Yep. The blood bond works on Vampires too, though unlike ghouls they get nothing out of it. It's really hard to trick someone into drinking from you three times, each on a different night, but the Camarilla sometimes blood bonds vampires to Prince/Sheriff/Primogen as a punishment. Since LaCroix can dominate you, there wouldn't be anything stopping him from just blood bonding the fledgeling who he was technically within his rights to execute.
The blood bond does fade if not renewed for a year and a day, but when you're stage 3 blood bound it's near impossible to refuse further drinks when offered them.
True
By the time the Hollywood part comes around, Lacroix should have really realized that he just got a killing machine directly into his lap for basically no cost.
If it was actually an Antedilluvian I imagine that there would be a lot more that happened, given that 3rd, 4th, and sometimes even 5th can kind of break the rules. And given that other Kindred that have devoured an Antedilluvian basically become an Antedilluvian themselves, and given he was already a Ventrue, it could have had an interesting impact on whichever clan it was the Antedilluvian belonged to, and any vampires that he had sired, and potentially the entire Ventrue clan.
I think it would make sense to have a system where the bigger the delta between generations, the bigger the reduction in generation. Somethin like (diablerizer's gen-diablered gen)/2 rounded up. So if a 12th gen diablerizes an 7th gen he becomes 9th gen.
Unfortunately they keep changing minor stuff that doesn't need changing. Add new songs sure but at this point it's getting more buggy rather than less.
Wish they'd make more mods with the unused Hunter abilities found in the source code.
>dedication
Ask yourself if there really is anything left to "fix" after over a decade of work on it. The author is an attention whore writing fanfiction into the game and introducing changes to the basic patch just to push them to the plus patch when he's called out.
I mean fanfiction as in his own interpretation of what the developers "meant" to do, often based on little more than a hunch. Looking at the newest changes it seems like he again "restored" and "fixed" things that he introduced himself in past versions. The full list of changes bundled with the mod is insane. He's been doing it for years, he's very active online on forums and such, and I guess it brings him satisfaction to work on the game and be praised for every release. I can't imagine the boner he got when Chris Avellone shouted him out in his article about VTMB 2.
I don't follow the UP closely anymore, since there's now a patch called SMP that's closer to an actual vanilla patch. The vanilla game after its patches really wasn't that unplayable and there are a lot of little things the UP changed over the years that make it a different experience.
>since there's now a patch called SMP that's closer to an actual vanilla patch
There's another alternate patch? I remember there was one before, which lead to massive drama and was the reason for wesp splitting his patch into basic and plus.
Yeah, honestly the patch drama around this game is really awful. There was the True Patch but I don't think many people use it any more.
The Standard Mod Patch is new and the author tries to sidestep the drama by not shitting on anyone else, just saying he likes the vanilla game as it was shipped and wants to make a patch that actually limits itself to fixing bugs. He's probably as autistic or more as the other patch guys, but at least the autism seems well-intentioned (he writes a bunch of documentation about his changes and vision, which is a good thing).
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
luv muh modders but I swear to god every modder has some sort of mental illness.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>work for free >only “paid” through people feeding your ego
It attracts a weird bunch. Have been around modders in so many different communities and anyone that was serious about modding had a few screws loose
It's like with anything else. At a certain point you need to consider something finished and then only work on keeping it running. Otherwise you start overwriting good parts just to have something to do.
Wesp has claimed he's simply continuing where the devs left off. I'm sure on some level he wants to change so much that he can consider everything in the game "his" in some way. He's trying to Diablerize VtMB.
If I'm thinking of the right whispers in the warrens, they were meant to evoke scuttling Nosferatu watching you from the shadows as you make your way around, but somehow he conflated them with "Malkavian whispers." They were placed there for a reason. But modders who try to "recreate the developer's original vision" always know better than to leave what the devs put in the shipped game alone.
left >looks like a regular ass wine aunt that's wearing so much makeup it was probably slathered on with a trowel, zero apparent vampiric features, goofy jovial expression
right >red eyes, inhuman pale skin, piercing confident expression, beautiful mature features that don't evoke a middle aged cat lady, not wearing enough makeup to properly equip an entire clown car
gee I dunno which one is more fitting for a centuries old ruthless vampire character anon.
Basic on your first run. Plus if you've played the game but haven't tried it out. Personally I use the basic patch, I've never liked the library level.
the way he stops you on the street he seems deeply terrified and shook to the core like there really was an Antediluvian in there, even just runs away like hell was coming
Probably Jack, or he figured it was rigged to blow himself. The fear I can't explain. Maybe Caine dementated him for fun. Caine canonically likes fucking with Beckett for being a huge Atheist.
The "wait" he gives sounds really weird to me. I have a theory that that Beckett is actually Ming-Xiao disguised again.
POSSIBILITY 1: Beckett knew about the bomb >the fledgling seems like a good guy so he doesnt want him to get blown up >his loyalties aren't 100% known yet so maybe he tells Lacroix, which will INFURIATE him and end up with a blood hunt on Jack, and likely also Beckett because he found out and didn't tell Lacroix, as well as an all out war against the anarchs. >better just scare him away from opening it
POSSIBILITY 2: Beckett didn't know about the bomb >assuming Beckett knows everything we do about messerach and nothing else, a LOT of the shit surrounding the sarcophagus and messerach himself adds up to "possibly a very old vampire in this box," if not an actual antediluvian, at least a mesthuselah. That is a dangerous proposition regardless of Lacroix's plans towards it, so get as far away as you can. It's also possible he came to the conclusion that Messerach WASNT a vampire and realizes Lacroix is going to go fucking MENTAL when he realizes he's completely fucked himself and the LA cammies over for absolutely no gain. Either way it's not safe to be in the room when that shit gets opened.
>Lacroix is going to go fucking MENTAL when he realizes he's completely fucked himself and the LA cammies over for absolutely no gain.
i wonder how the story would progress if this happened. sounds interesting
>Who told Beckett not to open it
Jack, who gets very upset and immediately leaves if he learns from the PC that Beckett is trying to open it; if you don't tell him he definitely gets the info from someone else while you're out hunting for the key >and why was he so deeply terrified of a bunch of bombs?
Beckett's thing is neutrality. It's why he's accepted if not welcomed everywhere, he genuinely only wants to study vampiric history and never gets involved in the power struggles.
>the fledgling, a veteran vampire hunter and ming xiao all failed to notice that Grout's body left a skeleton
>A popular theory among some fans is that Grout would not leave a skeleton after his Final Death, suggesting a younger vampire was killed in his place. (Or that the creators of the game are under no obligation to follow every single rule in the VTM's book.) This theory makes no sense for several reasons: 1) no young vampire you kill in the game leaves a skeleton so the creators did not follow these rules, 2) Grout wasn't that old to begin with, he was probably embraced when Dr. Freud was still alive, 3) he would never have left his wife open to attack while he himself was hiding and 4) his presumed killer would have to make sure that they got the right vampire otherwise the whole deal behind this would be in danger. Therefore it's most likely that the skeleton was indeed Grout's.
>no young vampire you kill in the game leaves a skeleton so the creators did not follow these rules
So by this logic Grout wouldn't leave a skeleton either. Whoever wrote this is a retard.
I dunno who you're quoting but that isn't a very good debunk. 1 and 2) Every vampire in the game fully ashes upon final death, Grout would be a pile just like the dozens of shovelheads that crumble to ash. 3) Grout specifically mentions taking "extra precautions" to secure his wife's safety. Though she's probably been dead for a long time in his crazy mind that's probably what the glass is for. To keep her "safe" while he's gone. 4) My version of the theory is that Ming Xiao, the would be assassin got dementated into thinking she killed him, securing her deal with LaCroix.
Who says Ming Xiao actually saw him? Maybe she got there, Grout wasn't around, and when you showed up she panicked and left. Later on she could have taken credit for killing him even though she didn't. It's established in the game that she is almost always lying.
I think a lot of characters in the game are just bumbling incompetents with big egos somehow one-upping each other due to sheer retardation. That's probably what has Jack and Caine cracking up so much.
First. >cursed because he refused to bow to a so called higher power >progenitor of the vampiric race >deified and mystified by his children >old, ancient and basically inactive
This, the later games nerf Kain's power level significantly for gameplay contrivance purposes, but he was insanely powerful even in BO 1. I wonder if it was because he was made using the heart of the ancient or because he was a balance guardian, so it was a pretty strong baseline to make a vampire from, but less than a few years after being turned he >could employ a wide variety of magic, such as throwing lightning around, celerity, telekinesis, using his own blood as a weapon, draining blood from a distance, shielding himself from magic to the point of complete impenetrability, manipulating gravity, conjuring lightning storms, mind control or ability to simply snuff a living being out by punching the soul out of its body with a concentrated blast of magic >was able to turn into bat, wolf and mist forms or mimic non-vampiric human form so effectively that he could pass for a living human being >gained protection from environmental damage, the sun and rain >later evolved even further and gained immense strength, ability to jump across great distance, use fire magic and his claws alone could break through fucking armor >only got stronger as he aged, able to teleport at will, further improved his telekinesis to the point that he could use it as a compressed projectile to smear someone across the wall or throw them away, seize beings or objects and suspend them mid-air with it indefinitely
>make a fem gangrel >pick the homosexual background >expect my sire to be the same model >it's a brujah >there still a bunch of opened condom wrappers everywhere
okay
Baali has some dark shit, and their clan book, if I remember right, opens with a clergyman getting his dick bounced on by a what I think was a 12 year old boy? Looks about that age in the artwork. Anyway, the boy is actually a baali vampire and begins to spew insects from his orifices (including urethra and anus) into the orifices of the clergyman, offering a painful and prolonged death.
It says a lot that every single clan, even the most fucked up Tzimisce or Giovanni, will kill Baali on sight. They are the sickest fucks in the entire setting.
Don't people basically consider Kuei-jin non canon these days because they were basically a blend of different Asian cultures into one band of basically yellow vampires?
And yeah, it has its defenders but the actual KotE book is bad. The Kuei-Jin themselves are poorly thought out and Asia is magical so it's the only place in the world with something other than vampires! Even in Bloodlines they're frankly the weakest part of the game's story, and bloodlines mostly avoids the worst parts of their lore.
V5 has soft-retconned them, and for as much as I hate V5 it doesn't bug me. Lots of people have started defending the Kuei-Jin because of this. Again, I hate V5 but I'm not gonna pretend the Kuei-Jin were ever good.
While we at it. I saw that Alfabusa essay about WOD
Apparently that Circus book "aged poorly". Is there a specific reason or it is just the whole "Freaks" angle of older Circus media, or something worse?
I don't mind because he and his team are great at making high quality stories I'm into. (Season 2 of HTP when?). Plus let's be honest, "normalizing" of 40k was a matter of time and waiting for someone to digest all the fluff into something easy and entertaining for others who just wanna know what's going on.
That said I prefer Old World Fantasy because Vermintide was my gateway into Warhammer.
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>because Vermintide was my gateway into Warhammer.
VT2 is very solid game that's maybe the most poorly maintained game I've ever played.
Slow content, bugs that aren't fixed, shitty rewards, no decent cosmetics and so on
Not a single friend plays with me anymore, it's just me and my bots
>partly
Fuck that pig dog whore of satan
Intent on raping every setting he can with infantile puppet shows because EH IT'S A LIVIN!
Death to him and ALL of his kin
I never bothered to watch that one, though I've been liking Hunter: the Parenting.
Midnight Circus is actually one of my favorite WoD books. The freakshow must be what he's talking about, but I don't find it that insensitive. The entire book is one big Something Wicked This Way Comes homage. In said book, the entire freakshow isn't actual disabled people, but innocents changed into horrible distorted forms by the evil of the circus. So I don't think it's offensive to actual disabled people.
Midnight Circus is filled with all the 90s edge you'd expect compared to the novel it's clearly inspired by, but it's a fun little setpiece of a book. I've always wanted to use the Lunar Circus in a game but sadly it's very high power level and hard to work into a normal game.
Makes sense, but I can also see how someone MIGHT see that angle because, to be fair, it's inspired by real freaks. That said I agree, I like the Evil Circus concept for WOD. like the vid pointed out, it makes a great setpiece for Crossover shenanigans between different monsters.
That said, while I agree with your sentiment, I also can see how someone might be put off by the whole "THE FREAKSHOW" angle without knowing the context.
>Midnight Circus is filled with all the 90s edge you'd expect
Late 2e was all that. Wasn't it caused by a single guy fucking it up on purpose? Shit like the Tal'Mahe'Ra, their secret spirit world base, vicissitude being a parasite
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Honestly I'd take 2e edge and grandeur over what we have every single time, even if it was far from perfect.
Fuck I accidentally said the same thing twice.
Np man.
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>Honestly I'd take 2e edge and grandeur over what we have every single time
Oh definitely, but that's not a high bar to clear.
Everything is just gay and stupid and safe now.
Someone already posted the Rudi images for me, but meme or not just imagine writing that shit, imagine writing a Facebook post from a 90 pound soaking college gay that has "Bash the Fash" on his profile and thinking this isn't the worst decision possible
feeling overwhelmed by everyone around you since your embrace and wanting to escape kindred society. ming xiao is decently nice to you and puts you against your own
>ming xiao is decently nice to you
Only because turning the Western vamps against each other benefits her organization. She cares about you as much as LaCroix does. It shows in her ending.
He can suck other cainites off for survival, but finding a new sugardaddy who doesn't mind sloppy seconds is the hard part >oh yeah, my former domitor who TOTALLY died in a freak accident assassination who was the head of a Camarilla siege is definitely out of the picture, nope no jyhad here, anyways can I move in and have intimate knowledge of your goings on?
Ghouls tend to go out like Egyptian royal servants or Indian windows, another reason they're not in an enviable position
Mercurio mentions in one conversation that while he was getting topped off on vitae, he heard lacroix ranting about some shit from the other room, so unless lacroix keeps vitae bags handy for distribution he may not be bonded to Lacroix himself but some other mook further down the ladder.
That said I sterilized that whole damn tower on my way up to the penthouse so he's probably fucked anyway.
>modern devs not abusing color filters
kek I guarantee there will be level/area transitions where you from cool blue to piss yellow filters "to evoke the mood"
yeah I know, I'm just saying if it still has some kind of aggressive color filter I will be pissed. developers these days seemingly can't help but put horrendous color filters in fucking everything to the extreme detriment of the game.
>I'm pretty much here because I got tired of getting into lore debates with mega autists on /tg/.
/tg/ is so boring ever since, I wanna say 2018 or so.
>smartest fucker you meet and the only person who isn't working you for his personal benefit says not to open it >crazy chick who can CLEARLY see the future tells you opening it up is bad, and then explicitly tells you not to open it, whatever you do >better open it
you deserve the boom.
It's kino as hell how they tied the vampire lore into real world ancient old testament text. It sucks how such a cool idea and setting gets no vidya, and if anyone else tried to do a similar thing it would probably get accused of being a ripoff, or more likely, actually be a ripoff.
Cain was the perfect pick for a person to base the lore around, lucifer is too low hanging fruit. I dunno who you would use now if you wanted to make a new setting that ties into the bible. maybe one of the apocrypha books like enoch or something.
>Cain was the perfect pick for a person to base the lore around
Another great pick came from the shitty Dracula 2000 film, where Dracula is judas, which ties really nicely with a lot of the myth >Only really showed up during the middle ages >afraid of crosses >harmed by silver
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I was thinking the gospel of judas would be a kino ass apocrypha source. It has some seriously wacky ass shit in it, it's basically a ready made setting by itself.
>bible fans
remind me, i think i'm getting my vampire lore mixed up
kindred are descended from Cain and Lilith right? and there aren't shit like true ancestors who drank the blood of christ
>Which clan do you think works best for VTMB's story?
Depends on what you're roleplaying as and what ending you want
Tremere for Camarilla
Ventrue for LaCroix
Toreador and Brujah for Anarchs
Gangrel and Malks for independent
Nosferatu can go either way
All of them can work, although, mc being gangrel and tremere barely makes any sense because gangrels embrace survivors who got mauled by them and tremere only embrace those who they see worthy joining pyramid.
As for endings:
Tremere - Strauss
Ventrue - all
Brujah and Toreador - anarchs and independent
Gangrel and Malkavian - independent
Nosferatu - all
Joining pyramid is not something you can do in a single night. It takes days if not weeks to get in. You have to get tremere regent's permission and fit strict criterias, which are: >scholar type, those who were students of any kind (if the candidate is somebody who studied medicine, it's a bonus) >strong willed, bonus if aggressive >can keep head clear all the time
After you get in, you need to drink blood from council of 7 for blood bond for bonding and to prove loyalty, then do all kinds of crazy shit to practice. Rogue embraces like VtMB's protagonist get killed on sight by regent or regents lackeys due to lack of trust and because of exposure of tremere clan's secrets.
Very few actually get in because of strict criterias and because lots of candidates kill themselves eventually.
There are. Skelter is one. I think in V5 they all have joined the Anarchs, because V5 Anarchwank is strong, despite wanting to go fully independent from all sects in Revised.
It's not that they all joined the Anarchs, it that they just pretty much any vamp not in the Camarilla is considered an anarch by default (if they're not Sabbat of course). It doesn't help that both the Sabbat and most Anarchs who do consider themselves Anarchs pretty much think the same way too. And in typical wod fashion, whether or not the titles of Independent and Anarch are interchangeable as fact or propaganda is left intentionally vague so players can decide for their own games.
Malkavian it is then. I've already done a Malk run a few years ago so I don't remember everything. I think I'll play with the clan quest mod, is it good?
A better question is how the Pillar Men would stack up in WoD. Physically and intellectually untouchable but they don't have the blood magic kindred do
>steered away from the vampire/monster shit
It’s a shame. Would’ve liked to see that stuff get expanded on rather than everyone being a stand user at the start of part 3
Author found Hamon vs vampire kinda limiting
Part3 is partly him burying it by killing the strongest vampire in the story and making Hamon kinda obsolete outside of a few specific situaltion
It's still there in bits and pieces. There's the ghost alley, the ambiguous nature of Diavolo, everything involving the green baby/heaven, Jesus, and the rock people, as disappointingly shallow as they were in the end. Those cats from the recent chapter were pretty fucking weird.
Jojo still has lots of supernatural stuff, it's just hamon was killed off along with Dio and now it's all about stands, mainly because JoJo was made back in 80s and early 90s, and all action manga at that time had characters with weird ancient martial arts so stands were forced for JoJo manga to stand out in the crowd.
honestly the fucking raptor[spoiler] did me worse than anything in the hotel. when I saw the killer in the boiler room I whipped out my .38 and was ready to go to town, but then I remembered that they specifically said that ghosts can't hurt you.
and then I stuck around too long in the boiler room and got final death'd by the steam, the fuckers.[/spoiler]
I wish there was a vtmb game where it wasn't explicit that you were playing one.. Maybe the game will be marketed as a walking sim to trick players and it turns out , boom.. you're playing VTMB
Imagine your PC getting kidnapped at night, embraced and now you have to struggle with your realities? Maybe your sire also dies (but too similar w/ vtmb) or maybe they're just watching/observing as you flail your legs idk?
Anone here remember Kindred: The Embraced? I cant barely remember the plot but I'm pretty sure it involved an unsanctioned siring too.
Then the lead got hit by a fucking truck and DIED so that was it for the show.
Would you say that the first Bloodlines was a "punk" game?
I mean the music kinda fit that aesthetic, most of the game is set in poorer, more run-down areas, people in positions of wealth or authority are generally portrayed as incompetent, uncaring, or evil and it ends with you committing violence against them, the Anarchs while antagonistic at first are mostly portrayed in a positive light, and the story is a "rags to riches" story where you start off as the scrappy underdog and gain power quickly
the world of darkness as a setting is self-described as "gothic punk" for pretty much exactly the reasons you describe, so yeah that would be an accurate assessment
Level 5 is notoriously bad with the animations. I don't remember having much of a problem with the lower levels. I found it easier to just try and do 2 hit combos instead of going for the full 3.
Tsuki anime was so spectacularly awful that everyone pretends it never existed in the first place, and it sounds like the Werewolf game is that type of deal
Because fuck the cammies in general and lacroix in particular because he's a massive shitpiece and would no doubt have every anarch lined up on that stage to get lopped by the sherrif if he could. >how is the taxi driver tied to all this?
It is implied in dialogue and several of the endings (and explicitly stated in the game files) that the taxi driver is caine himself both figuratively and literally driving the fledgling to his destiny. lacroix actions throughout the whole thing just go to show that he's unfit for leadership since he will make and break alliances and betray everyone and everything for the sake of THE CHANCE of increasing his own power. For the sake of ALL of the cainites in LA, he had to go.
Jack is an anarch, so jack's standpoint is "fuck the cammies."
Personally speaking I would yes be either an anarch or autarkis if the local anarchs are anything like rudi and his gay muslim antifa group therapy session but I see the understand the need for something like both the anarchs AND the camarilla, and would think that if it didnt already exist someone would probably invent something very much like it anyway. The system as it stands has done so for a very long fucking time, and it does so because it WORKS.
I should have read what you were replying to realize you were talking about Jack. And basically ALL anarchs in v5 are Rudi-tier or slightly less so. All the cool anarchs are dead or using the new anarchs for what they want behind the scenes.
>antifascist this, antifacist that >nazi nazi nazi >an entire slavic country is full of vampire nazis
2016 really broke a lot of people's brains didnt it?
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Yep. Don't forget nossies aren't horrifyingly ugly anymore and malkavians aren't all deranged because it's mean! And Camarilla BAD okay?!?
2 weeks ago
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Also fuck Lasombra and Ventrue. They are all evil. They have to go down.
2 weeks ago
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Yeah! Fuck organized leadership!
>do you hear it >my blood sings >i will wait for you
so... the beckoning?
>tfw Lou is just the Eldest masquerading as a random Ventrue ancillea to chomp on elders
would be a kino twist
>When the malkavian PC makes a reference to the coffin going BOOM and Jack says he would have to kill you if you actually understood what you were saying
Malkavian pc most likely understood that it's one of possible outcomes (depending whether pc understood and leveraged the situation or fell for madness) since malks can see multiple happenings and results of them at the same time and have to sift through all bullshit.
i remember being really pissed the first time i finished the game because i never actually explicitly chose to open it the game just made me do it after i spent the whole thing trying to stop the prince from doing so
The music in the latest trailer is so good and is so much better than Hardsuit trailers. If they hired Chinese room just for the composer then it already paid off
>The music in the latest trailer is so good and is so much better than Hardsuit trailers.
According to that Polish whore who does their PR it's an original song made specifically for the trailer.
>What's that you spent 90 points in persuasion and presence? >Too bad they are completely useless for the next couple of hours! >You want to redo your choices? >Too bad you have to play from the very beginning, no savescumming allowed! >You want to skip dialogue you already saw? >Too bad sweaty you have to finish the game first while going on a snowball effect of getting minimal xp because you didn't pick the right skills in the beginning tough luck!
God I fucking hate this piece of shit game
>>You want to skip dialogue you already saw?
You can definitely skip dialogue, just not the stuff your character says when you inspect an object. That shit is going to bug me if I ever go for a replay.
I downloaded that mega mod someone posted yesterday. There are boob jpgs everywhere I cannot even begin to describe how many boobs there are. If there is a poster, magazine, anything related at all in game it has been replaced with porn mags or sex jokes. The Aslyum is playing dad rock. I feel like a lost child that accidentally wandered into the wrong section of a video rental store.
he's a pirate, he gets to enjoy tobacco as this wonderful luxury that brings him joy through association rather than the chemicals fucking with him
a smoking habit sticks from both the endorphins it gives and the repetitive action; that's why are regular kindred would keep it up, just out of habit. Jack's lived a long life and probably enjoyed raiding some trading and fishing ships just for the stuff when blood was pumping through his veins so he probably has this good memory stimuli to it as well
>One shtick
Toreador gets free reign to roleplay any personality you want in conversations which is the backbone of the game 🙂
Disciplines are also very versatile albeit unexciting outside of dude gun man, which does let you play differently but
>>>>>>vtmb combat
>>>>>>vtmb "gameplay"
Kindred don't have endorphines. They have no brain chemistry at all. They smoke because they like how it looks and that's about it.
need dark woman pic sauce from other thread
Same
https://litter.catbox.moe/9p93lo.jpg
Appreciate it
it's gone
>Bullied so hard he had to leave his own penthouse
Kek
>opening doors by kicking them
I love how NPCs will be on normal patrol and just fucking kick open a door like a nutjob instead of opening it normally
It's even funnier when prostitutes in Chinese massage place kick-open their doors
They can. Depending on your humanity you can even have (and even enjoy) sex without help of touch of life. You need to have ridiculously high humanity for it though. As for platonic love, vampires have "touchstones" - humans whom they've grown attached to. These touchstones are like anchors who keep their humanity from plummeting.
>As for platonic love, vampires have "touchstones"
You never know where a mimic might be
That's pretty fucking funny.
We tryna make a general?
may as well, Gankertmb threads are always the best on Ganker
thoughts on the sequel?
I think I want to make Lou my personal vampire wife
Do vampires even get married?
I'm sure Christof married Anezka after the game
How much can vampires truly even feel love? They actually don't feel lust in the way humans do, so logically they can focus on deeper feelings of intimacy but I feel like they're just dead to humanity
It's rare, but vampires can feel honest and true love. They can also feel lust but the lore keeps going back and forth on it.
Even a lower humanity vampire could love truly, at least until V5 gatekept all the love and horny behind high humanity. They might be a shitty person in most regards, slowly sliding to beastdom, but they can still love someone. It can often be the only thing keeping some vampires from going fully bestial. You know, sappy melodramatic forbidden love shit.
too late she's mine
She already looked good but god damn she looks even better now.
What the fuck am I gonna say, we don't know jack shit about it.
Have they even said or showed anything beyond that trailer?
Idk I haven't looked into at all
it looks like they're trying, which is more than i would say about the previous incarnation of it. it'll probably be more or less ok, but not much more than that. of course it'll never capture what the original did, but it won't be an unmitigated trainwreck either.
I'm wondering if we will get references to other supernaturals the same way we got depictions of wraiths and werewolves. I'd be fine with just those 2 again, but a depiction of changeling or a demon would be really cool. I'd like to interact with the fae, mages and even the garou on cordial terms. Speaking to wraiths about the deadlands could be fascinating especially if you don't know anything about that particular bit of world of darkness. I'd want any of that for at least just one side quest. But this being 5th edition, I'm sure most of that is all off the table.
i need the sauce anon
https://litter.catbox.moe/irz5j0.jpeg
i don't want the sauce anymore anon, but thanks.
gay
Now what's the source to this ooga booga (Yandex and Nao have given me nothing)
I had vague hopes when Brian Mitsoda was still on the project. But after they apparently overhauled everything during development Hell I'm staying cynical.
Why did Venus take a loan from a fucking russian mob boss anyway?
to start her club
same reason people always take sketchy loans? they can't get legitimate ones for whatever reason
Desperate people do desperate things. It's 2004, times were different. She wanted her club to be a reality, but either couldn't get a loan, or a GOOD loan for what she wanted. So she bit the bullet and took a crimelord's money. WIth all the caviats that come with that kinda Faustian bargin.
>get all the money you need to live your dream
>all you have to do is fuck some guy once a month
gee life sure is hard for a woman huh
>To not lose your business and get your legs broken you have to pay money and body to some Soviet Slimeball
Hey anon if you need something done, would you fuck a fat ugly bastard from a NTR comic? Like without irony WOULD YOU? Don't just type yes because you're anonymous and it has no consequence. WOULD YOU???
Except Boris isn't a fat ugly bastard in-game at all.
Nice try comparing apples to oranges though.
The point is; Would you fuck a disgusting slimeball who shoves his cock into you just because he has leverage over you? Don't dodge the question by going "OH UHH HE'S NOT FAT SO IT DOESN'T COUNT".
Not that original guy you're replying to, but the answer for me is no, because I'm not a stupid woman who would make a deal with an obviously sinister R*ssian mafia boss.
Yeah but what if she didn't have a choice? (Let's be fair here and honestly we don't know, or are motivated to CARE about how she found herself in that position to begin with. The only thing that matters is she gives us stupid money once you kill the Russian dude. But it's certainly better than just going "Stupid women lol").
Venus wasn't innocent and there is no hint that she had to pay exporbitant rates. In anyway, there isn't a single innocent person you deal with. Everyone is a "sinner"
...except for Chunk.
ever heard of gluttony anon
He has a glandular problem
the seven deadly sins are medieval fanfiction
t. Chunk
I felt bad for having to drink him.
Both because he was just an innocent dupe that was just in the way, and also because his blood was probably incredibly unhealthy. If you can suck a druggie to get high, my character probably had the itis and the vampire equivalent of type 2 diabetes after leaving venture tower.
None really since We haven't seen what this iteration looks like beyond the trailer.
Hope: They Salvage what they can from the other build and maybe we get something, not exactly GOTY, but still solid
Cope: It'll prolly be a ok AA VTM game that'll lean H A R D on the OG Bloodlines fans to buy the game day 1.
Reality: Zoomers and Gen Alpha's whining about the "woke" stuff and shitposting about it while never touching the game to see beyond the surface level.
I will make no opinion one way or another until I see at least 30 minutes of unedited gameplay.
After all of the shit that has happened with the game's development hell, if the Chinese Room end up releasing a Bloodlines II that is merely "good", it will still have been a triumph for them.
I know I shouldn't be but I'm hopeful it'll be a good game, probably nowhere near as good as the first but still a good game all the same. Hopefully they can get Schaffer to return for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_kez_xwJs&ab_channel=MyBeardIsGrowing
Don't open it.
Best case scenario: Since it's Paradox, they release clan DLC and we get every single clan playable.
No fishmalk no buy
Peak wife material
you cant marry yourself anon
You just aren't malk enough for that
fair enough
Best case scenario is a DX HR situation, a sequel that's a fun game on its own even if not good or influential as the original
However, with Mitsoda and Schaffer out, plus V5 and the fact that Paradox seems to micromanaging the thing, the chances are slim.
Was it confirmed Schaffer is out?
Yeah, Chinese Room has their own in-house composer
At least that was what one anon said here
I don't think they even mentioned him one way or another. The new studio has their own in-house composer. I doubt they'd outsource the music, but we'll have to wait and see.
>Gregory is actually not a robot but a Toreador Vampire
>It's why leaving at 6am is the worst ending for him
CALL MATT PAT!
I get the feeling that's it's going to be a somewhat underwhelming 6.5/10. Most likely it's just going to make me want to replay the original instead
"I hope it doesn't suck" pretty much sums all my thoughts on it with how little we have to go on right now
Guaranteed shit. The characters will all be ugly and unlikeable because that is what sells now.
If you asked me 10 years ago I would have been hyped on name alone.
premise is better then the original idea
no reason to think more about it until they show real gameplay tho
no hope.
It will never be good because entire production team of anything World of Darkness has been taken over by uber woke color hair tumblrinas.
there were zero color hair tumblrinas in the vid they posted
in fact they were all normal looking white people, and shockingly there was only whites and asians in the trailer.
We'll see yet. Obviously it wouldn't make sense for a modern Cali/LA to have no nogs but i still 100% believe it will be woke shit.
It's not set in LA apparently, it's in Seattle.
patches can fix wokeness
Won't be good, but won't be the le worst thing evah so everyone will automatically say it's good and nobody will really play it for long. It'll make more than enough to recoup its cost and in 2 years everyone will have forgotten it was even a thing. You know, typical vidya cycle.
If it's a 4/10 it will be a triumph
So, second gen vampires would be just as powerful as 3rd gen ones? Since Caine cursed them from the 3rd gen onwards
Yes. Although there was probably at least a few centuries between the 2nd and 3rd gen. Experience matters a shitload for powerlevel as well.
So generation is just an upper limit to how powerful someone can get?
Hard mechanics for VtM? Kinda.
Generation determines three things, maximum blood pool, blood per turn, and trait cap. Being able to hold more blood is good, but it's not like you're more efficient, you need to drink more blood to actually use that advantage. Blood per turn is really strong if you're in a physical fight, because it lets you pump your attributes much quicker to flatten someone physically but beyond a physical fight it doesn't do much. Trait cap is where generation starts really mattering but you don't get to go past 5 dots until you're 7th gen and up. And you need the exp to actually raise those attributes so without age or skill it won't matter as much. Generation is also really good for dominate because you're immune to dominate from anyone with a higher generation than yours.
So while a strict upgrade for everyone, being embraced 7th gen doesn't mean you can start kicking everyone's ass immediately. In fact a young vampire with a potent generation is walking diablerie-bait.
>In fact a young vampire with a potent generation is walking diablerie-bait.
When you diablerize someone do you also gain some of their traits and abilities? Or do you just lower your generation? Is it the same to diablerize an ancient 6th gen or a newly made one?
Checked.
Rules as written diablerie is actually pretty underwhelming. You just gain one generation and MAYBE some disciplines but only temporarily.
Which is odd because the lore implies that a successful diablerie can take you up to your victim's level regardless of how many generations between them, and take some of their disciplines. You're not going to get their attributes or skills, though. Just steal some of, but rarely all of, their supernatural power.
So you're saying had there really been an Antediluvian in the sarcophagus that Lacroix had sucked and fucked he might not had even gained that much power?
Rules as written, yes. Like I said, it's weird how bad it is in the mechanics.
Lore? Nobody's actually successfully eaten an Antediluvian except Troile probably. A 200 year old like him would've gotten taken over by the Antediluvian and worn like a cheap suit.
Probably.
>get woken from your peaceful slumber
>you are in la
>you have become french
truly a fate worse than death
>please Caine... anything but USA or France
>antedilluvian
A vampire from Lacroix generation would be downright possessed by it. Even a methuselah would do it a vampire of his generation.
maybe to try to dissuade powergaming players
The thing about Tabletop is the GM can ignore shit as appropriate. So I wouldn't put too much stock in that. The written limitations were probably a good thing as even then you'd see a lot of players viewing diablerie as some kind of alternative character progression goal rather than a storytelling tool.
Grout didn't die btw
I mean that's kinda obvious.
But when he shows up in 2 you'll still have secondaries screeching on these threads.
kek
it amazes me though after all this time people just took it as they saw it. a lot of people who never read any source material
Wot
vampires only turn to ashes when they are over 100 years old. vampires younger than that just leave their corpse. grout was turned around 1920.
however, the game is not faithful to the books
YOU turn to ash when you die. So, yeah, the game is ignoring that aspect.
What makes you say that?
Not saying you're wrong, I just don't know the lore. Swear he was roasted on the bed.
How did he fake his death?
He's a vampire. Of course he died.
But I know what you meant.
worst part of this game
might as well not have a choice
I suppose it's about the journey and not the ending, but the ending still sucks
>vampires don't leave skeletons when they die
I feel like this is probably common knowledge so Grout was essentially banking on the fledgling being too stupid to notice
Holy FUCK you're absolutely right.
How the fuck did I never realise that?
I must have melted like a hundred vampires over the story and they always just burned away to nothing. But for some reason I found a skeleton on Grout's bed and thought "Yeah damn they got him I guess, that sucks".
I feel like an absolute clown right now.
grout was a sneaky fucking malk
The skeleton is more accurate. The ash thing is just for gameplay, with it only really applying to very old vampires
>The skeleton is more accurate.
Not that poster, but are you saying that Grout SHOULD have left a skeleton behind?
Yes, at least from what I remember only really old vampires would turn to ash. I’m not exactly sure how it works with Grout since he would be dead by this point if he weren’t a vampire, but I’m pretty sure he still just turns to a corpse as he had only been a vampire for 50-80 years
There is a fan theory that Grout is the one sending you the e-mails. The main basis of the theory is the chess references. Look up a picture of the interior of Grout's mansion.
Honestly I figure it was just Jack
Chess metaphors don't fit a dickass pirate IMO.
That's it though. Everyone looks at Smiling Jack like he was just some troublesome drifter. Even Lacroix speaks about him with contempt, like he's an irritating hobo and nothing more.But spending time with Jack makes you realize that he's a lot smarter than he looks. He uses people's judgement of his outward appearance and attitude to have them underestimate him, even Lacroix. I could easily see him emailing you messages talking about chess and then walking back into the Anarchs bar and hanging out listening to Lecher Bitch like any other meathead.
He's smart, but that doesn't mean he'd give two shits about the highfalutin' rich boy game that is Chess. His crassness isn't an act, that's him. The same pirate who was too violent to ever make it past Mate and who took the royal pardon only to kill a rich boy in a bar fight a few months later. He's smart as a whip, but Chess metaphors seem like the kind of thing he'd loudly mock to the entire room.
>He's smart, but that doesn't mean he'd give two shits about the highfalutin' rich boy game that is Chess.
>Chess metaphors seem like the kind of thing he'd loudly mock to the entire room.
Exactly! That's exactly the impression he gives his enemies (and friends). You would never suspect it of him. This is a guy who managed to convince a city full of vampires that an ancient vampire was about to bust out and murder them, and who eventually managed to sneak a giant bomb literally under the nose of Sebastian Lacroix. He's cunning and smart enough to me to be the one sending the emails.
>His crassness isn't an act, that's him.
Yes, but I suspect at times it's overplayed for effect on others. Enough of his dialogue with you is sincere and honest enough, without being crass for crassness' sake.
I don't think it's impossible, but I think the theory that it's Grout is a stretch from Malkavian fans who want to see his hand in everything behind the scenes.
I also suspect it's Jack since he's the only one who has "known" the player from the start. I seriously doubt it was Grout sending you the first emails you got when you don't even interact with his part of the story until the last third of the game or so. Jack wanted to use you to make sure the sarcophagus got to Lacroix, but wanted to subtly warn you not to be in the room when it did.
I've read his tabletop lore. He really, really isn't the type for chess metaphors. Nor does he have anything to gain from them. Cryptic bullshit is Malkavian 101.
rudi in a threesome with cain and muhammad
time to go mobile
optional lillith/aisha lesbo action
>Vampires with immortality and incredible supernatural powers
>Spend all their time on street thug tier nazi gangs
Why did they think this would be cool?
Also, how the fuck is Rudi a "strict materialist" but also a "practicing Muslim"?
>Why did they think this would be cool?
Everyone on Ganker conveniently ignores this, but early in v5's development WW got called out by a group of woke twitter transplants who created this schizo ramble about how WW was full of Nazi dog whistles in the original core book.
So by the time the Anarch book released they massively overcorrected and let this shit leak through.
>Everyone on Ganker conveniently ignores this
No?
Everyone knows that story and how during a release stream or something someone superchatted WW to ask of they disavowed antifa because they were talking about hoe the game wasn't for nazis and the guy threw a fit
None of those stories paint a better picture
>do a tear gas attack
good guys use tear gas on people?
>he was brujah not good brujah camarilla brujah
>give the only white heterosexual character a lame name like Tobias and constantly treat him like a moron
Do people like that enjoy being perceived like a fucking doormat by minorities?
Yes, they're cucks who have been completely and utterly destroyed spiritually and mentally, sad many such cases!
Yes. It makes them feel very super not racist. Left wing white people like that basically think that if they didn't live like that they'd transform into a nazi at any second.
>minorities
lmao lmao lmao
they are no minority
literally billions of them
>Gehenna might be coming to destroy everything on the planet
>Dude...LE SKINHEADS
I'm not reading anything involving rudi again. Is this the page where Rudi's army pass around the stress ball to signify whose turn is it to speak?
>I wish I'd been Embraced after my gender confirmation surgery and not before, but being able to stomp Nazis make up for it.
lmao
i didnt read that image so im hoping youre saying funny words and thats not really in the WoD text
It's really there, Anon.
its a lot to take in but, even putting it all aside, Im confused as to how a vampire could get gender reassignment surgery? wont the genitals just....heal back?
Correct. I think he's mad that he couldn't get the wound before the embrace, so he's stuck with a penis for eternity.
Do you want to be a disgusting cishet white male like Tobias and not listen closely to stunning and brave Rudi's group therapy session?
This character only ever gets brought up here, it's bizarre.
>Caine kills Abel
>God proceeds to curse him in such that a way that it dooms humanity be to prey to vampires for the rest of time
great guy
Caine had no powers until Lilith "awakened" him by feeding him some of her blood.
As usual in biblical stories, it's a woman's fault.
>As usual, it's a woman's fault.
ftfy
>don't open it
I know whats inside and I'm going to open it.
does Garfield really hate Mondays that much
N-NO! I'M DOMINATING YOU, GIVE ME THE KEY! GIVE ME THE FUCKING-OW! FUCK MY LETTER OPENER! OW OW!!
....Please don't kill me pweeze, lemme open the box and let great great great great grandpappy out...I need to suck him off so I can be powerful1
I love this image. I'm saving it. Thank you.
So who is the most evil vampire ever?
Cain did the whole "Murder his brother because jeebus likes dead sheep more than potatoes" thing
>more than potatoes
it was weetabix anon
I feel like Caine's one murder doesn't really measure up to turning people into furniture and whatever the fuck the baali are doing
Think of it like this: it wasn't just a single murder, it was the FIRST murder. It introduced the concept into creation. Every single murder since Biblical times has been a direct result of Caine's chimp out and subsequent lying to God.
And he'd fucking do it again fuck you dad
He could, theoretically, be cured from his curse any time, he just need to repent and admit his deed. As for the others, it was their choice to turn people into chairs or baali devil worship, Golconda was there to show that vampires don't need to be unrepentant monsters.
Caine performing that murder introduced that type of evil into the world. That event even got the Fallen angels, now demons, into thinking what sort of sick shit they could do to humanity since they were all so much more powerful than us. If Caine never introduced murder into the world, some of the most powerful and evil entities, the earthbound, would never have corroded human history and progress in all the evil ways they had up to the modern day.
If Caine hadn't done it wouldn't someone else have done it eventually
That's not really the point. The idea that what Caine did isn't as bad as flesh crafting a family into furniture is inaccurate, as far as world of darkness logic goes, since Caine murdering Abel opened the door to all that horrible shit and directly inspired demons to commit the atrocities that shaped the world (if darkness) into what it is now.
Also he not only killed Abel and committed the first murder, he also lied to God, which for God was the bigger no no.
Nah it was the audacity of lying to God and not realizing he already knew what happened.
Saulot also the goodest one
Tzimisce Antideluvian, it was literally formed from Saulot expelling all the evil from his body.
The Eldest.
>According to some stories he's the result of Pure Evil being vomited into some dude and then being embraced.
>Vicissitude user #1, makes the rest of his clan look like a bunch of Chuunis.
>Would go around fleshwarping random people in prehistory for fun. When one of them got turned inside out and said "meh", that was the first person he ever embraced.
>So evil a Salubri Methuselah mistook him for a demon and knocked him into Torpor.
>When one of his other childer wanted to commit suicide, he reconstructed him as a fetus, and Mpreg'd another Tzimisce to carry it to term.
>His clan tried to murder him, he ate the rebel leader, impersonated him, mindbroke out of sheer fear the one guy smart enough to figure it out, and then went to bed.
>Has decided to become an eldritch monstrosity of flesh, currently under NY absorbing biomass so he can become a city-sized Kaiju meets The Thing.
No wonder the Camarilla puts up the idea of Vampires being some dude in a Lugosi costume going "bleh".
Can you refresh me on the Eldest. As I understand, it's an earthbound (demon) inside the body of a vampire???
Nobody knows for certain. The Irad purging himself of evil story isn't clear what that actually means. Maybe he's Irad's Beast or a Bane-possessed human that was embraced by Enoch. There's also other stories, such as that he was a Mage. I've never heard the theory that he's something like an Earthbound, but The Eldest did have some sort of relationship with Kupala, an Earthbound in the Carpathians. Some say Kupala gave the clan Vicissitude but I find it more likely he's responsible for Koldunic Sorcery.
He's just an asshole. Some theorize Ventru kicked him out of the Second City for being a cunt, some Tzimisce claim he left way back when the First City was around, he wound up in the Carpathians to avoid the Flood, and his curse isn't from Caine but from using that soil to survive the flood. Some even think Vicissitude IS the Eldest, and all who practice it shall be devoured by him come Gehenna.
So normal Antediluvian schizo shit.
Man the Kupala/Eldest thing illustrates perfectly how the Tzimisce are the one clan trying to wear two different hats thay don't fit together
They can't be old blood Transylvanian sorcerer vamps a la dracula and fleshcrafting sexual schizophrenics religious nuts are the same time
Yeah... I really don't care for WoD's take on Dracula and the Tzimisce sometimes suffer from needing to be tied to him. I like their lore the most when they feel like they can do their own thing.
Book Dracula struck me as either the least subtle Ventrue, a Lasombra, or the classiest Gangrel.
yeah that connection never really felt natural to me either no matter how they tried to angle it.
I don't think they were going for the book dracula, I think they were going for the actual vlad tepes. which very much tracks as a tzimisce with the ramming blunt stakes up peoples asses through their throats enough times to make a garden of them thing.
pic related
I think 1e had Dracula authoring some texts, with his clan being completely ambiguous, because like you said he could fit in almost any of the original 7.
Every major Clan needs to be tied to a time and a place, something to give the player the general idea of what the Clan is
The Ventrue have Rome
The Tremere have Imperial Austria and so on
It's an idea of what the clan is. It's weird that the Tzimisce, who have an antidiluvian that claims primogeniture, and whose entire mentality is that of superiority and ascension over the rest of kindred, have their time and place be early modern eastern europe.
Like, why not Babylon?
Yeah I really liked 1e's Dracula authored opening. The 1e core is probably the peak atmosphere the tabletop ever achieved even if the lore is half baked and the mechanics are completely busted.
Though I don't think every clan needs to be tied to a time and place. The Ventrue may have been insanely powerful in Rome but they've been in the halls of most great Empires because that's sort of what they do. Plus too much region-locking clans and you get "all Lasombra are latin" , "Brujah are the black people clan", and "all Tzimisce are romanian" as stereotypes even if they're not true.
I like the Eldest as this timeless thing, completely inhuman.
By the time they decided to give him any lore, yes. But I don't really care for it myself.
>Though I don't think every clan needs to be tied to a time and place.
A Clan needs a general identity, and that can only come from a time and a place.
It gives solidity to what the general idea of the clan is.
It doesn't mean it's fixed and all encompassing, but it does fit most.
It's simply unrealistic that the Clans wouldn't have an apex in a region and in a certain time and every clan proliferated equally everywhere at the same time
Exactly evenly, no. But "Ventrue = Roman" is too broad a brush. Many clans represent archetypes, or the different sides of vampirism. They often step on each other's toes. "Lords" or "Vampire as evil elite" isn't locked to a single place or time. Neither is "Vampire as tortured artist" or "the sexy ones".
It's why clans rely more and more on ethnic gimmicks as they got invented. Ravnos, Assamite, Giovanni, they all came later to the game than the Cam 7 or even the Sabbat 2.
>But "Ventrue = Roman" is too broad a brus
I never stated that every Ventrue is roman.
>Many clans represent archetypes, or the different sides of vampirism
They more represent different iterations of vampire depictions over time
Brujah are Lost Boys
Ventrue are classical victorian vampires
Toreador are Anne Rice vamps
Nosferatu the movie's namesake
Tremere are an Ars Magicka reference
Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
Malkavians were Renfield or just crazies the author knew, I dunno
>Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
is that why
I was wondering why there were werewolf vampires and actual werewolves in the game when I played it.
maybe they should have been like gargoyles or something instead of wolves to avoid the confusion.
>gargoyles
Aren't those the african dudes?
no idea, I don't know shit about this setting aside from what's in the video game. I just mentioned that because gargoyles are traditionally associated with vampires and it's a beast-like thing that isn't a wolf.
You're thinking of the Nagoplers
>is that why
Ye.
>maybe they should have been like gargoyles or something
There's gargoyles in VtM, they're mutated vampires that the Tremere kindly created and shepherded from the perils of the world
I always took it as more beast-like folklore vampires. I doubt we'll know the true reason unless Mark Rein-Hagen said what each clans inspiration was.
>Malkavians were Renfield or just crazies the author knew, I dunno
Malkavians are the Joss Whedon/Buffy reference. Drusilla/River Tam?
1e VtM predates the Buffy Movie.
>Gangrel were supposed to explain werewolves and werecreatures because WtA didn't exist yet
were they really? animal forms show up in dracula and carmilla (kinda) so they seemed like just an extension of that
Yeah, but extending a whole Clan too just one of Dracula's abilities would be too much
I've no doubt that factored in, but the whole "origin of myths" thing was the primary reason
Gangrel seem like old Balkan vampires, bros who hide in the woods and attack isolated mills.
There's quite a few super evil fucks. I'd say Harold Zettler is up there.
what happened to him?
probably reworked into some minor or major npc.
He's a woman now.
the way the fem player character wraps her legs around people when she drains them is so hot
>did it all so he could go up one (1) generation
wouldn't he have been marked forever as a diablerist though? that's kind of a massive nail in the coffin.
I feel like it's one of those things they tell you not to do but if you do do it they're just like "ah okay whatever" especially if you get the kind of power Lacriox was hoping for
I think the idea was that if it worked he would be so powerful they realistically couldn't do anything about it.
The marks get harder to perceive over time, and the Camarilla doesn't actually care unless you get caught.
Plus if he actually stole even a fraction of an Antediluvian's power nobody in LA could have stopped him. Still a dumb plan though. By the third suicide mission the fledgeling aced he should have pivoted to blood bonding them and using them as a blunt implement to take over the city rather than keep trying to kill them.
>blood bonding
like a ghoul but kindred?
Kinda. Blood Bonding is sort of like making another vampire feel affection for you. It can spiral into them wanting a deeper bond, and there's three levels of it. At the third level you're pretty much sucking the ass of your master as hard as you can.
very interesting and very true that LaCroix logically could have done so. i guess its one of those things that would just make the story unplayable
There's a lot of things he could've done to just win, yeah, but as you said at that point there wouldn't be a game to play.
but that's kinda his character, if lacroix was the type to take the safe bet in general there wouldn't be much of a story either.
Yep. The blood bond works on Vampires too, though unlike ghouls they get nothing out of it. It's really hard to trick someone into drinking from you three times, each on a different night, but the Camarilla sometimes blood bonds vampires to Prince/Sheriff/Primogen as a punishment. Since LaCroix can dominate you, there wouldn't be anything stopping him from just blood bonding the fledgeling who he was technically within his rights to execute.
The blood bond does fade if not renewed for a year and a day, but when you're stage 3 blood bound it's near impossible to refuse further drinks when offered them.
True
By the time the Hollywood part comes around, Lacroix should have really realized that he just got a killing machine directly into his lap for basically no cost.
The black streaks in your aura fade eventually, but it takes more time depending on the generation of the vampire you diablerized.
the entire tremere clan only exists because of diablerie, they don't care.
If it was actually an Antedilluvian I imagine that there would be a lot more that happened, given that 3rd, 4th, and sometimes even 5th can kind of break the rules. And given that other Kindred that have devoured an Antedilluvian basically become an Antedilluvian themselves, and given he was already a Ventrue, it could have had an interesting impact on whichever clan it was the Antedilluvian belonged to, and any vampires that he had sired, and potentially the entire Ventrue clan.
can't fault Lacroix's ambition at least
I think it would make sense to have a system where the bigger the delta between generations, the bigger the reduction in generation. Somethin like (diablerizer's gen-diablered gen)/2 rounded up. So if a 12th gen diablerizes an 7th gen he becomes 9th gen.
>the unofficial patch has an update 2 days ago
They're still working on this even now? That's dedication
Unfortunately they keep changing minor stuff that doesn't need changing. Add new songs sure but at this point it's getting more buggy rather than less.
Wish they'd make more mods with the unused Hunter abilities found in the source code.
>dedication
Ask yourself if there really is anything left to "fix" after over a decade of work on it. The author is an attention whore writing fanfiction into the game and introducing changes to the basic patch just to push them to the plus patch when he's called out.
>he author is an attention whore writing fanfiction into the game
How even? Does he leave random lore notes eveywhere?
I mean fanfiction as in his own interpretation of what the developers "meant" to do, often based on little more than a hunch. Looking at the newest changes it seems like he again "restored" and "fixed" things that he introduced himself in past versions. The full list of changes bundled with the mod is insane. He's been doing it for years, he's very active online on forums and such, and I guess it brings him satisfaction to work on the game and be praised for every release. I can't imagine the boner he got when Chris Avellone shouted him out in his article about VTMB 2.
I don't follow the UP closely anymore, since there's now a patch called SMP that's closer to an actual vanilla patch. The vanilla game after its patches really wasn't that unplayable and there are a lot of little things the UP changed over the years that make it a different experience.
>since there's now a patch called SMP that's closer to an actual vanilla patch
There's another alternate patch? I remember there was one before, which lead to massive drama and was the reason for wesp splitting his patch into basic and plus.
Yeah, honestly the patch drama around this game is really awful. There was the True Patch but I don't think many people use it any more.
The Standard Mod Patch is new and the author tries to sidestep the drama by not shitting on anyone else, just saying he likes the vanilla game as it was shipped and wants to make a patch that actually limits itself to fixing bugs. He's probably as autistic or more as the other patch guys, but at least the autism seems well-intentioned (he writes a bunch of documentation about his changes and vision, which is a good thing).
luv muh modders but I swear to god every modder has some sort of mental illness.
>work for free
>only “paid” through people feeding your ego
It attracts a weird bunch. Have been around modders in so many different communities and anyone that was serious about modding had a few screws loose
>I only removed the malkavian whispers
>only
WTF is his problem?
he keeps removing shit
Probably going to announce his transition soon.
It's like with anything else. At a certain point you need to consider something finished and then only work on keeping it running. Otherwise you start overwriting good parts just to have something to do.
Wesp has claimed he's simply continuing where the devs left off. I'm sure on some level he wants to change so much that he can consider everything in the game "his" in some way. He's trying to Diablerize VtMB.
If I'm thinking of the right whispers in the warrens, they were meant to evoke scuttling Nosferatu watching you from the shadows as you make your way around, but somehow he conflated them with "Malkavian whispers." They were placed there for a reason. But modders who try to "recreate the developer's original vision" always know better than to leave what the devs put in the shipped game alone.
don't worry he'll add them back in the next version if you reach out to him on rpgcodex
Isn't this the way to go if you want the game vanilla as possible?
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imagine watching a youtube video before you play bideo jame
just install the unofficial patch and PLAY it
Me on the bottom right
honestly she looks better
right is so much better it's unreal
>vamps look like vamps now
Good
I can't believe how much the veil helps sell it, but yeah.
it's definitely a good touch
the dramatic lighting makes a big difference too
i liked the original so much better. i dont see how you guys are preferring the new asian one
left
>looks like a regular ass wine aunt that's wearing so much makeup it was probably slathered on with a trowel, zero apparent vampiric features, goofy jovial expression
right
>red eyes, inhuman pale skin, piercing confident expression, beautiful mature features that don't evoke a middle aged cat lady, not wearing enough makeup to properly equip an entire clown car
gee I dunno which one is more fitting for a centuries old ruthless vampire character anon.
Don't reply to the asiaposter
>asian one
>april 21 2012 timestamp
I kneel anon, authentic original babby pic
Need qt ravnos gf
should I install the plus patch or just the basic?
Plus patch is what I use.
Even if you don't like some of the extra stuff, at least you'll have experienced it. I personally prefer Plus patch myself.
Basic on your first run. Plus if you've played the game but haven't tried it out. Personally I use the basic patch, I've never liked the library level.
>I've never liked the library level.
Is that the one with the Lasombra? Apparently I have played the plus patch before.
I think so. It's more the boss that I dislike than the level itself and he did use shadow attack iirc.
Basic is for bugfixes alone. Plus adds content but also changes things and thay pisses some people off.
So up to you. I pretty much only play Plus Patch because I've played every clan and Backgrounds are the only thing keeping me interested on replays.
Who told Beckett not to open it and why was he so deeply terrified of a bunch of bombs?
did he actually know how it was booby trapped? it's been a while but i figured he just realized it was a trap of some kind and wasn't taking chances
the way he stops you on the street he seems deeply terrified and shook to the core like there really was an Antediluvian in there, even just runs away like hell was coming
I think Jack let him in on the plan and he wanted to warn you away without directly telling you what was in there
Probably Jack, or he figured it was rigged to blow himself. The fear I can't explain. Maybe Caine dementated him for fun. Caine canonically likes fucking with Beckett for being a huge Atheist.
The "wait" he gives sounds really weird to me. I have a theory that that Beckett is actually Ming-Xiao disguised again.
>spoiler
That’s what I thought first playthrough but it was never mentioned again in game.
becket is smart guy and probably sensed jyhad in some way and actually feared the chance there could be something at the end.
to freak the player out
You can tell Jack that you met Beckett in the museum, and he'll excuse himself from the conversation to go do something.
POSSIBILITY 1: Beckett knew about the bomb
>the fledgling seems like a good guy so he doesnt want him to get blown up
>his loyalties aren't 100% known yet so maybe he tells Lacroix, which will INFURIATE him and end up with a blood hunt on Jack, and likely also Beckett because he found out and didn't tell Lacroix, as well as an all out war against the anarchs.
>better just scare him away from opening it
POSSIBILITY 2: Beckett didn't know about the bomb
>assuming Beckett knows everything we do about messerach and nothing else, a LOT of the shit surrounding the sarcophagus and messerach himself adds up to "possibly a very old vampire in this box," if not an actual antediluvian, at least a mesthuselah. That is a dangerous proposition regardless of Lacroix's plans towards it, so get as far away as you can. It's also possible he came to the conclusion that Messerach WASNT a vampire and realizes Lacroix is going to go fucking MENTAL when he realizes he's completely fucked himself and the LA cammies over for absolutely no gain. Either way it's not safe to be in the room when that shit gets opened.
>Lacroix is going to go fucking MENTAL when he realizes he's completely fucked himself and the LA cammies over for absolutely no gain.
i wonder how the story would progress if this happened. sounds interesting
>Who told Beckett not to open it
Jack, who gets very upset and immediately leaves if he learns from the PC that Beckett is trying to open it; if you don't tell him he definitely gets the info from someone else while you're out hunting for the key
>and why was he so deeply terrified of a bunch of bombs?
Beckett's thing is neutrality. It's why he's accepted if not welcomed everywhere, he genuinely only wants to study vampiric history and never gets involved in the power struggles.
Just finished it.
Sided with Anarchs
should have gone with sabbat
Gay, for me it's Independent
Same, toward the end.
Don't much like their whole ethos but Nines saved me so thought I'd repay the favour.
Where is LaCroix?
I hate how everyone pronounces his name incorrectly.
>the fledgling, a veteran vampire hunter and ming xiao all failed to notice that Grout's body left a skeleton
Bach never got close enough to see the body. Ming Xiao got dementated by Grout and hallucinated that she whacked him while Grout escaped.
>A popular theory among some fans is that Grout would not leave a skeleton after his Final Death, suggesting a younger vampire was killed in his place. (Or that the creators of the game are under no obligation to follow every single rule in the VTM's book.) This theory makes no sense for several reasons: 1) no young vampire you kill in the game leaves a skeleton so the creators did not follow these rules, 2) Grout wasn't that old to begin with, he was probably embraced when Dr. Freud was still alive, 3) he would never have left his wife open to attack while he himself was hiding and 4) his presumed killer would have to make sure that they got the right vampire otherwise the whole deal behind this would be in danger. Therefore it's most likely that the skeleton was indeed Grout's.
>no young vampire you kill in the game leaves a skeleton so the creators did not follow these rules
So by this logic Grout wouldn't leave a skeleton either. Whoever wrote this is a retard.
I dunno who you're quoting but that isn't a very good debunk. 1 and 2) Every vampire in the game fully ashes upon final death, Grout would be a pile just like the dozens of shovelheads that crumble to ash. 3) Grout specifically mentions taking "extra precautions" to secure his wife's safety. Though she's probably been dead for a long time in his crazy mind that's probably what the glass is for. To keep her "safe" while he's gone. 4) My version of the theory is that Ming Xiao, the would be assassin got dementated into thinking she killed him, securing her deal with LaCroix.
So what? He only a vampire for like 80 years at most
Who says Ming Xiao actually saw him? Maybe she got there, Grout wasn't around, and when you showed up she panicked and left. Later on she could have taken credit for killing him even though she didn't. It's established in the game that she is almost always lying.
>LaCroix iced the father and grandfather of the Society of Leopold's greatest hunter.
>But in game he's an absolute baby.
Were Bach's family just shitters or did LaCroix just dominate -> slit their throats?
I think a lot of characters in the game are just bumbling incompetents with big egos somehow one-upping each other due to sheer retardation. That's probably what has Jack and Caine cracking up so much.
>bumbling incompetents with big egos somehow one-upping each other
Describes a scary amount of politicians so it's very believable
Lasombra kings, our time is now
What gen would Kain be?
First.
>cursed because he refused to bow to a so called higher power
>progenitor of the vampiric race
>deified and mystified by his children
>old, ancient and basically inactive
By power level? Methuselah easily, I would say 4th gen. He could fight Ur Shulgi to a standstill.
This, the later games nerf Kain's power level significantly for gameplay contrivance purposes, but he was insanely powerful even in BO 1. I wonder if it was because he was made using the heart of the ancient or because he was a balance guardian, so it was a pretty strong baseline to make a vampire from, but less than a few years after being turned he
>could employ a wide variety of magic, such as throwing lightning around, celerity, telekinesis, using his own blood as a weapon, draining blood from a distance, shielding himself from magic to the point of complete impenetrability, manipulating gravity, conjuring lightning storms, mind control or ability to simply snuff a living being out by punching the soul out of its body with a concentrated blast of magic
>was able to turn into bat, wolf and mist forms or mimic non-vampiric human form so effectively that he could pass for a living human being
>gained protection from environmental damage, the sun and rain
>later evolved even further and gained immense strength, ability to jump across great distance, use fire magic and his claws alone could break through fucking armor
>only got stronger as he aged, able to teleport at will, further improved his telekinesis to the point that he could use it as a compressed projectile to smear someone across the wall or throw them away, seize beings or objects and suspend them mid-air with it indefinitely
What's the song used in the newest announcement trailer?
No one can find it, so it's probably an original track
I'm gonna open it
>make a fem gangrel
>pick the homosexual background
>expect my sire to be the same model
>it's a brujah
>there still a bunch of opened condom wrappers everywhere
okay
Futanari'd
anybody who opened it after this guy told you not to is an idiot
Who are the most interesting clans to read about through the clan book series?
Everyone has their own tastes. For me it's Ventrue, Tremere, Toreador, and Nosferatu.
Baali has some dark shit, and their clan book, if I remember right, opens with a clergyman getting his dick bounced on by a what I think was a 12 year old boy? Looks about that age in the artwork. Anyway, the boy is actually a baali vampire and begins to spew insects from his orifices (including urethra and anus) into the orifices of the clergyman, offering a painful and prolonged death.
It says a lot that every single clan, even the most fucked up Tzimisce or Giovanni, will kill Baali on sight. They are the sickest fucks in the entire setting.
i want to play as a tzimisce please thank you
>fishmalk elder who skipped the last 300 years
Imagine
>man vs author
The greatest threat to the WoD
The cab scene on the malk PC was so good. That scene is way better as a malk than any other clan.
You aren't a Malkavian in Bloodlines 2. You get to pick your clan.
Are you autistic
If they can get Baba Yaga, they can get you.
good or gay?
Good, I liked the punch sound effects syncing up with the song. Was a nice touch
Don't people basically consider Kuei-jin non canon these days because they were basically a blend of different Asian cultures into one band of basically yellow vampires?
Based Ox isn't a Kuei-Jin fortunately.
And yeah, it has its defenders but the actual KotE book is bad. The Kuei-Jin themselves are poorly thought out and Asia is magical so it's the only place in the world with something other than vampires! Even in Bloodlines they're frankly the weakest part of the game's story, and bloodlines mostly avoids the worst parts of their lore.
V5 has soft-retconned them, and for as much as I hate V5 it doesn't bug me. Lots of people have started defending the Kuei-Jin because of this. Again, I hate V5 but I'm not gonna pretend the Kuei-Jin were ever good.
While we at it. I saw that Alfabusa essay about WOD
Apparently that Circus book "aged poorly". Is there a specific reason or it is just the whole "Freaks" angle of older Circus media, or something worse?
>Alfabusa
Oh yeah, he's still around
I liked TTS a lot, but it's partly responsible for the normalgayization of 40K
I don't mind because he and his team are great at making high quality stories I'm into. (Season 2 of HTP when?). Plus let's be honest, "normalizing" of 40k was a matter of time and waiting for someone to digest all the fluff into something easy and entertaining for others who just wanna know what's going on.
That said I prefer Old World Fantasy because Vermintide was my gateway into Warhammer.
>because Vermintide was my gateway into Warhammer.
VT2 is very solid game that's maybe the most poorly maintained game I've ever played.
Slow content, bugs that aren't fixed, shitty rewards, no decent cosmetics and so on
Not a single friend plays with me anymore, it's just me and my bots
>partly
Fuck that pig dog whore of satan
Intent on raping every setting he can with infantile puppet shows because EH IT'S A LIVIN!
Death to him and ALL of his kin
I never bothered to watch that one, though I've been liking Hunter: the Parenting.
Midnight Circus is actually one of my favorite WoD books. The freakshow must be what he's talking about, but I don't find it that insensitive. The entire book is one big Something Wicked This Way Comes homage. In said book, the entire freakshow isn't actual disabled people, but innocents changed into horrible distorted forms by the evil of the circus. So I don't think it's offensive to actual disabled people.
Midnight Circus is filled with all the 90s edge you'd expect compared to the novel it's clearly inspired by, but it's a fun little setpiece of a book. I've always wanted to use the Lunar Circus in a game but sadly it's very high power level and hard to work into a normal game.
Makes sense, but I can also see how someone MIGHT see that angle because, to be fair, it's inspired by real freaks. That said I agree, I like the Evil Circus concept for WOD. like the vid pointed out, it makes a great setpiece for Crossover shenanigans between different monsters.
That said, while I agree with your sentiment, I also can see how someone might be put off by the whole "THE FREAKSHOW" angle without knowing the context.
Fuck I accidentally said the same thing twice.
>Midnight Circus is filled with all the 90s edge you'd expect
Late 2e was all that. Wasn't it caused by a single guy fucking it up on purpose? Shit like the Tal'Mahe'Ra, their secret spirit world base, vicissitude being a parasite
Honestly I'd take 2e edge and grandeur over what we have every single time, even if it was far from perfect.
Np man.
>Honestly I'd take 2e edge and grandeur over what we have every single time
Oh definitely, but that's not a high bar to clear.
Everything is just gay and stupid and safe now.
Someone already posted the Rudi images for me, but meme or not just imagine writing that shit, imagine writing a Facebook post from a 90 pound soaking college gay that has "Bash the Fash" on his profile and thinking this isn't the worst decision possible
vampire sex with Lou
I don't really know how to justify going for the Kuei-Jin ending from a roleplay perspective
roleplay your character as having raging yellow fever
that's why I picked it on my first run
feeling overwhelmed by everyone around you since your embrace and wanting to escape kindred society. ming xiao is decently nice to you and puts you against your own
>ming xiao is decently nice to you
Only because turning the Western vamps against each other benefits her organization. She cares about you as much as LaCroix does. It shows in her ending.
No shit, everyone has an angle, he's talking from the hypothetical perspective of the character.
>ming xiao is decently nice to you
One of the first things she does is offer you tea, knowing full well you can't drink it.
He's like 12% asian so he thought they'd let him join them
Naivety.
just realized that after Lacroix dies poor Mercurio ages up to 60
He can suck other cainites off for survival, but finding a new sugardaddy who doesn't mind sloppy seconds is the hard part
>oh yeah, my former domitor who TOTALLY died in a freak accident assassination who was the head of a Camarilla siege is definitely out of the picture, nope no jyhad here, anyways can I move in and have intimate knowledge of your goings on?
Ghouls tend to go out like Egyptian royal servants or Indian windows, another reason they're not in an enviable position
mercurio seems more like camarilla property and as a talented smuggler there's no shortage of people who would be interested in his services.
Hope he got sired by somebody, eventually
the fledging can take him in
Mercurio mentions in one conversation that while he was getting topped off on vitae, he heard lacroix ranting about some shit from the other room, so unless lacroix keeps vitae bags handy for distribution he may not be bonded to Lacroix himself but some other mook further down the ladder.
That said I sterilized that whole damn tower on my way up to the penthouse so he's probably fucked anyway.
i assumed LaCroix didnt want some guy directly sucking him off so he provided him blood bags
What is this body type called?
19th Century Madame.
real thick (as opposed to fake thick aka obese)
I swear to christ above I will blow a gasket if this game ends up with a piss filter like this screenshot.
If your piss is that color please see a doctor.
>modern devs not abusing color filters
kek I guarantee there will be level/area transitions where you from cool blue to piss yellow filters "to evoke the mood"
>this screenshot
That's the Hardsuit Labs version. The game isn't even using the same engine anymore.
yeah I know, I'm just saying if it still has some kind of aggressive color filter I will be pissed. developers these days seemingly can't help but put horrendous color filters in fucking everything to the extreme detriment of the game.
wife
fledging theme
I haven't played for ages where the fuck do you find any hints on the passwords for the hospital computers
what's with the vtmb threads? october is still a month away
was that trailer that good?
>was that trailer that good?
never underestimate the marketing potential of a sexy vampire mommy.
Not really, we've been having the odd VtMb threads here for years. The trailer is just an excuse.
I'm pretty much here because I got tired of getting into lore debates with mega autists on /tg/.
>I'm pretty much here because I got tired of getting into lore debates with mega autists on /tg/.
/tg/ is so boring ever since, I wanna say 2018 or so.
/WoDg/ is pretty bad, same shitposters, same 3 people actually playing games, same arguments from 2015.
/swg/ is worse. It's just a lore thread. Nobody plays RPGs and like two dudes play Legion.
>played game 6 times, left Toreador for 7th
>instantly bored
>do 2nd Nosferatu instead
>instantly hooked
Toreador is best later in the game. They actually make the gunplay sort of fun.
How so?
Auspex and Celerity.
remember the the lobby scene from the Matrix? the final part is just like that.
Fuck you I opened it. There was no way of knowing it was a fucking bomb.
>smartest fucker you meet and the only person who isn't working you for his personal benefit says not to open it
>crazy chick who can CLEARLY see the future tells you opening it up is bad, and then explicitly tells you not to open it, whatever you do
>better open it
you deserve the boom.
not him but i still had to know
I got the Strauss ending on my first run, so I had to wait until my second to find out what was inside. It was disappointing
I don't even remember if I ever got the Strauss ending or not, but I know I've gotten all the others.
It's kino as hell how they tied the vampire lore into real world ancient old testament text. It sucks how such a cool idea and setting gets no vidya, and if anyone else tried to do a similar thing it would probably get accused of being a ripoff, or more likely, actually be a ripoff.
i think the bible fandom would get mad
I dunno I doubt many bible fans have too high of an opinion of cain lmao.
you know what you're right
Cain was the perfect pick for a person to base the lore around, lucifer is too low hanging fruit. I dunno who you would use now if you wanted to make a new setting that ties into the bible. maybe one of the apocrypha books like enoch or something.
plus anything with lucifer is also inevitably in the shadow of paradise lost and probably just a lame retread of it too
>I dunno who you would use now if you wanted to make a new setting that ties into the bible
maybe solomon
>Cain was the perfect pick for a person to base the lore around
Another great pick came from the shitty Dracula 2000 film, where Dracula is judas, which ties really nicely with a lot of the myth
>Only really showed up during the middle ages
>afraid of crosses
>harmed by silver
I was thinking the gospel of judas would be a kino ass apocrypha source. It has some seriously wacky ass shit in it, it's basically a ready made setting by itself.
>bible fans
remind me, i think i'm getting my vampire lore mixed up
kindred are descended from Cain and Lilith right? and there aren't shit like true ancestors who drank the blood of christ
>true ancestors who drank the blood of christ
you mean like the disciples at the last supper? I don't really know what you mean here.
i think true ancestors is a Tsukihime reference
i was reading on the wiki recently that its suspected one of christ`s disciples was kindred and was trying to get caine to apologize to him kek
yeah I double checked, I mixed up vtmb lore and type-moon lore
no idea where i got the idea they drank the blood of christ tho
>kindred are descended from Cain and Lilith right?
Just Cain
>and there aren't shit like true ancestors who drank the blood of christ
What?
somebody tell bruva to stop making these threads and get to work on the show
We're probably getting a real episode this month.
Alfabusa if you're here, release it on September 28th, it's my birthday.
Which clan do you think works best for VTMB's story? Ofc all of them work, but which one do you personally feel fits best?
Tremere
Why
>Which clan do you think works best for VTMB's story?
Depends on what you're roleplaying as and what ending you want
Tremere for Camarilla
Ventrue for LaCroix
Toreador and Brujah for Anarchs
Gangrel and Malks for independent
Nosferatu can go either way
I think it depends on the ending you're going for. However in all of them I can't see the fledging as a man
All of them can work, although, mc being gangrel and tremere barely makes any sense because gangrels embrace survivors who got mauled by them and tremere only embrace those who they see worthy joining pyramid.
As for endings:
Tremere - Strauss
Ventrue - all
Brujah and Toreador - anarchs and independent
Gangrel and Malkavian - independent
Nosferatu - all
>and tremere only embrace those who they see worthy joining pyramid.
well they weren't wrong there
>random Tremere takes a chance with some rando and pays with their life
>their fledgling goes on to become greater than they would have ever been
CQM actually suggests that your Embrace was a Tremere 8d chess keikaku, which is an interesting idea, but CQM is noncanon.
CQM?
Clan Quest Mod
the madness network works in mysterious ways...
Ahem.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Madness Network is strong today.
I love how we each typed it differently
Clan quest mod.
Clan Quest Mod.
That quest is pretty interesting.
The idea that you're some pre-planned pawn fits pretty well with the game too
Joining pyramid is not something you can do in a single night. It takes days if not weeks to get in. You have to get tremere regent's permission and fit strict criterias, which are:
>scholar type, those who were students of any kind (if the candidate is somebody who studied medicine, it's a bonus)
>strong willed, bonus if aggressive
>can keep head clear all the time
After you get in, you need to drink blood from council of 7 for blood bond for bonding and to prove loyalty, then do all kinds of crazy shit to practice. Rogue embraces like VtMB's protagonist get killed on sight by regent or regents lackeys due to lack of trust and because of exposure of tremere clan's secrets.
Very few actually get in because of strict criterias and because lots of candidates kill themselves eventually.
>drink blood for blood bond for bonding
I mean, you can bond other ways
Play videogames together or smth
Counter Strike with the pyramid crew
What about Sabbat?
I did Brujah as independent and Gangrel as anarchs. There are probably some Gangrel among the anarchs right?
skelter apparently
i think skelter is?
Skelter is Gangrel
There are. Skelter is one. I think in V5 they all have joined the Anarchs, because V5 Anarchwank is strong, despite wanting to go fully independent from all sects in Revised.
It's not that they all joined the Anarchs, it that they just pretty much any vamp not in the Camarilla is considered an anarch by default (if they're not Sabbat of course). It doesn't help that both the Sabbat and most Anarchs who do consider themselves Anarchs pretty much think the same way too. And in typical wod fashion, whether or not the titles of Independent and Anarch are interchangeable as fact or propaganda is left intentionally vague so players can decide for their own games.
All of them, because the brilliance of its story is that you don't really have anything to do with it.
Ok fags, I'm reinstalling. First 7 tells me which clan to pick.
*uses my toreador charm on you*
Malkavian
Malkavian it is then. I've already done a Malk run a few years ago so I don't remember everything. I think I'll play with the clan quest mod, is it good?
It's alright but outdated. I heard that doing Sabbat run can be fun.
What do you mean - outdated?
The one you haven't played with yet
Nosferatu.
Anyone have that Hunter book page where it's just DMC3 Dante with a rifle?
Who wrote the emails, grout or jack
Probably the Cabbie
That sounds like horseshit to me.
the developers
Cabby, from the shitties laptop possible
It was me, Dio!
How strong would Hamon/stands be in WoD?
At least enough for hunters to punch a bit above their level no?
They'd probably be classified under some umbrella of Mage, so quite strong
A better question is how the Pillar Men would stack up in WoD. Physically and intellectually untouchable but they don't have the blood magic kindred do
Also isn't "Ultimate Lifeform" status easier to reach that going up through Diablerie?
Just get the dumb stone
The Gangrel antideluvian is literally Perfect Kars.
If Perfect Kars was a thick woman.
Aren't their abilities pretty similar to Vicissitude?
vampires and pillar men in jojo are crazy durable compared to vtm, that alone would be a huge edge
if hamon acted like it does in the series, yeah. it's concentrated sun energy and simply disintegrates vampires.
>steered away from the vampire/monster shit
It’s a shame. Would’ve liked to see that stuff get expanded on rather than everyone being a stand user at the start of part 3
Author found Hamon vs vampire kinda limiting
Part3 is partly him burying it by killing the strongest vampire in the story and making Hamon kinda obsolete outside of a few specific situaltion
It's still there in bits and pieces. There's the ghost alley, the ambiguous nature of Diavolo, everything involving the green baby/heaven, Jesus, and the rock people, as disappointingly shallow as they were in the end. Those cats from the recent chapter were pretty fucking weird.
Jojo still has lots of supernatural stuff, it's just hamon was killed off along with Dio and now it's all about stands, mainly because JoJo was made back in 80s and early 90s, and all action manga at that time had characters with weird ancient martial arts so stands were forced for JoJo manga to stand out in the crowd.
Other way around. Hamon was the generic martial art. Araki wanted something different from the other shounen series, and came up with stands.
That new Werewolf game is now stupidly cheap on GOG. Is it worth it?
Nope.
>start dancing in this club
>everyone immediately stops dancing and vacates the floor
Is this a bug? made me feel bad either way
are you nos?
Eventually they start circling around you and dancing. They're just stunned by your awesomeness.
It's an engine quirk. Apparently, when you perform the dance action the AI "resets". They'll start dancing in a few seconds again.
not a bug, they really captured the feeling of this image
This image is bullshit
Jennette would never use a condom
Rosa a cute
Is the current Plus Patch worth installing, or did Wesp mainline too much stupid? Curious if I need to dig up an older version.
Is wesp the same wesp from quake 3?
I expect 0 anons to be able to answer this question,
The version on GOG is slightly outdate. Like from before he started getting a little out of control.
Ocean House still scaring the shit out of me
honestly the fucking raptor[spoiler] did me worse than anything in the hotel. when I saw the killer in the boiler room I whipped out my .38 and was ready to go to town, but then I remembered that they specifically said that ghosts can't hurt you.
and then I stuck around too long in the boiler room and got final death'd by the steam, the fuckers.[/spoiler]
Same
Every time i played after the first, i timed the jump perfectly so i could go through it faster
I wish there was a vtmb game where it wasn't explicit that you were playing one.. Maybe the game will be marketed as a walking sim to trick players and it turns out , boom.. you're playing VTMB
Imagine your PC getting kidnapped at night, embraced and now you have to struggle with your realities? Maybe your sire also dies (but too similar w/ vtmb) or maybe they're just watching/observing as you flail your legs idk?
Anone here remember Kindred: The Embraced? I cant barely remember the plot but I'm pretty sure it involved an unsanctioned siring too.
Then the lead got hit by a fucking truck and DIED so that was it for the show.
no clue what that was so i had to google and it turns out there was a live action holy
i like the fusion of mafia + vampires oddly enough. would have watched this on netflix
>Anone here remember Kindred: The Embraced?
I mostly remember their depiction of the Nosferatu curse of hideousness being baldness.
my God they are slavic
Is Plus Patch good or is it just shitty fanfiction?
this is my first time playing with any points in seduction and it sucks not having free blood at every bar
You mean WITHOUT any points in seduction?
Yes that's what I meant. I was so mad I forgot how to type.
What are the best traits to go for a Malk playthrough? Which one unlocks the most dialog options?
Who's symbol is this?
Top theory is sun (thinbloods?)
crackpot is that its eye and my fellow salubro is coping hard thinking its related to us.
Would you say that the first Bloodlines was a "punk" game?
I mean the music kinda fit that aesthetic, most of the game is set in poorer, more run-down areas, people in positions of wealth or authority are generally portrayed as incompetent, uncaring, or evil and it ends with you committing violence against them, the Anarchs while antagonistic at first are mostly portrayed in a positive light, and the story is a "rags to riches" story where you start off as the scrappy underdog and gain power quickly
the world of darkness as a setting is self-described as "gothic punk" for pretty much exactly the reasons you describe, so yeah that would be an accurate assessment
By 2004 it was more post-punk
how is Redemption
am I just dogshit or is it really hard to hit stuff with the protean claws
Level 5 is notoriously bad with the animations. I don't remember having much of a problem with the lower levels. I found it easier to just try and do 2 hit combos instead of going for the full 3.
bit of both, they're kinda awkward
When do we get a Werewolf game
>When do we get a Werewolf game
There already was one a couple of years ago. We don't really talk about it.
Is this a Tsukihime anime type deal?
it sucks hot dong, if that's what you mean
Tsuki anime was so spectacularly awful that everyone pretends it never existed in the first place, and it sounds like the Werewolf game is that type of deal
There was an action-with-optional-stealth-that-doesn't-even-work game in... I think 2020? It was like the definition of a 4/10. Utter mediocrity.
and they had the gall to sequel bait.
ISOLATED
WHEN YOU'RE TAAAAUGHT THROUGH FEEELINGS
I SAID HEY
I GOT SOME HELL TO PAY
I LAID MY LIFE ON THE LIIIIINE
I LOST MY SOUL TO BLOODLINES
Why did Jack do it and how is the taxi driver tied to all this?
Because fuck the cammies in general and lacroix in particular because he's a massive shitpiece and would no doubt have every anarch lined up on that stage to get lopped by the sherrif if he could.
>how is the taxi driver tied to all this?
It is implied in dialogue and several of the endings (and explicitly stated in the game files) that the taxi driver is caine himself both figuratively and literally driving the fledgling to his destiny. lacroix actions throughout the whole thing just go to show that he's unfit for leadership since he will make and break alliances and betray everyone and everything for the sake of THE CHANCE of increasing his own power. For the sake of ALL of the cainites in LA, he had to go.
>fuck the cammies in general
filthy an*rchoid detected
Jack is an anarch, so jack's standpoint is "fuck the cammies."
Personally speaking I would yes be either an anarch or autarkis if the local anarchs are anything like rudi and his gay muslim antifa group therapy session but I see the understand the need for something like both the anarchs AND the camarilla, and would think that if it didnt already exist someone would probably invent something very much like it anyway. The system as it stands has done so for a very long fucking time, and it does so because it WORKS.
I should have read what you were replying to realize you were talking about Jack. And basically ALL anarchs in v5 are Rudi-tier or slightly less so. All the cool anarchs are dead or using the new anarchs for what they want behind the scenes.
>antifascist this, antifacist that
>nazi nazi nazi
>an entire slavic country is full of vampire nazis
2016 really broke a lot of people's brains didnt it?
Yep. Don't forget nossies aren't horrifyingly ugly anymore and malkavians aren't all deranged because it's mean! And Camarilla BAD okay?!?
Also fuck Lasombra and Ventrue. They are all evil. They have to go down.
Yeah! Fuck organized leadership!
>tfw Lou is just the Eldest masquerading as a random Ventrue ancillea to chomp on elders
would be a kino twist
is brawler (fist) good or is it a meme?
>When the malkavian PC makes a reference to the coffin going BOOM and Jack says he would have to kill you if you actually understood what you were saying
Malkavian pc most likely understood that it's one of possible outcomes (depending whether pc understood and leveraged the situation or fell for madness) since malks can see multiple happenings and results of them at the same time and have to sift through all bullshit.
i remember being really pissed the first time i finished the game because i never actually explicitly chose to open it the game just made me do it after i spent the whole thing trying to stop the prince from doing so
How does persuasion work? I get the blue text in dialogue but when I pick that option it doesn't actually persuade the guy. is it random?
You try to steer things into direction the way you gain advantage.
>VTMB thread
>near the bump limit
Every time.
we already had a thread earlier that hit bump limit
The music in the latest trailer is so good and is so much better than Hardsuit trailers. If they hired Chinese room just for the composer then it already paid off
>The music in the latest trailer is so good and is so much better than Hardsuit trailers.
According to that Polish whore who does their PR it's an original song made specifically for the trailer.
>do you hear it
>my blood sings
>i will wait for you
so... the beckoning?
>What's that you spent 90 points in persuasion and presence?
>Too bad they are completely useless for the next couple of hours!
>You want to redo your choices?
>Too bad you have to play from the very beginning, no savescumming allowed!
>You want to skip dialogue you already saw?
>Too bad sweaty you have to finish the game first while going on a snowball effect of getting minimal xp because you didn't pick the right skills in the beginning tough luck!
God I fucking hate this piece of shit game
>>You want to skip dialogue you already saw?
You can definitely skip dialogue, just not the stuff your character says when you inspect an object. That shit is going to bug me if I ever go for a replay.
>use cheats to always have everything maxed out
Only way to play, really.
>uber specialize yourself
>upset that some parts cant be dealt with that way
I downloaded that mega mod someone posted yesterday. There are boob jpgs everywhere I cannot even begin to describe how many boobs there are. If there is a poster, magazine, anything related at all in game it has been replaced with porn mags or sex jokes. The Aslyum is playing dad rock. I feel like a lost child that accidentally wandered into the wrong section of a video rental store.