>All of SE recent stuff has failed
>All those cheap remakes / games nobody cares about like valkyrie lenneth, star ocean, jacks game(yes its good but it flopped)
>All their big games has failed FF15, KH3, XVI
>Still doing the retarded archiac Console platform timed exclusive for 12 months then pumping it onto PC after
Then comes Dragon Quest 12
>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
>Game is so big in Japan that they release it on a weekend so that people don't take time off
>The DQ we all know and love are the Turn based combat and the very serious in tone story but in a light and fluffy Japanese way of showing it
Then comes SE being retarded
>Wants to remove the traditional turn based combat
>Wants to appeal to westerners by having a full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
Nice.
yup, removing turn-based combat was a fucking mistake
Pokémon is the best-selling RPG video game series in the world. Actual tabletop Dungeons and Dragons is turn-based. This is silly cope from people who play neither turn-based RPGs nor the pseudo-realtime slop that attempts to replace it. Hell, you gays usually don’t even play good action games either. Back to Skyrim and Fallout with you.
Lets not pretend the Pokémon games have ever sold on their own merits. Gamefreak is the most incompetent dev studio on the planet
Of course they did. You’re an obvious zoomer so you won’t remember this, but Pokémon wasn’t actually successful when it first launched in Japan. It was a sleeper hit. It had no mass marketing going on, no cards or plushies or anime. It sure as FUCK wasn’t successful because of the godawful Red and Green graphics. It literally succeeded because of its gameplay.
>it succeeded because it was babby's first rpg
which is fine, so long as you aren't a raging hypocrite complaining about "obvious zoomers" and their hollow knights and undertales
You have zero clue what you are talking about.
well then, anonymous-kun, tell us all about your deep insights into nintendo of the 90s
How bad is your reading comprehension?
Apparently awful. My bad, it’s a common refrain that triggers my autism.
Fallout and Fallout are turn-based rpgs you fucking imbecile.
>Using Pokemon as a metric for anything
Game Freak can ship a turd and Tendies and Pokefags will still buy it.
Choose another example, please.
Source on Square wanting to remove turn based combat? Sound like you homosexual morons are just making assumptions tbqh.
That’s exactly what they did and they refuse to back it up kek
>Source on Square wanting to remove turn based combat? Sound like you homosexual morons are just making assumptions tbqh.
223223223223 surly this time it will be 224, it's called pattern recognition
Do these retards not understand that if I wanted something that alleals to western audiences I'd just play any of the mass produced western goyslop already available? What the fuck is wrong with their brains?
This. Japanese games should be made for people who like Japanese games.
FFVII is something they feel appealed to the western audience more than their other games (and it's true to an extent) and they are going to spend all of eternity chasing that lightning in a bottle that occurred from that.
But blame the everloving fuck out of western journalists for blasting JRPGs in reviews for the last few decades. Fuckers can't catch a break since FFX
They obsess over the success of FF7 yet fail to recreate the reasons for its success, the gameplay, the production quality (in contemporary terms). It's not as easy to wow people today, but they don't even try.
FF VII is Japanese as fuck though
even the remake is still JP as fuck
/thread
I have no interest in Westoid movie games if I wanted to consume that shit I would, what Square needs is a reality check.
Japs are desperate for western approval and western awards. that's why they self-censor and kowtow to ESG's Type A/B pronoun shit.
Japanese companies have grown so big Japanese money is not enough for them. So they try to appeal to trannies and fags.
That's logical since Japanese population is shrinking and theyre addicted to gacha... japs don't play "real games"
not surprised that the quality of games have gotten so low, that everyone is on gacha and WEG games now.
nips have been chasing the american dollar since the xb360 days. call of duty permanently mindbroke them
dragon quest is already dark/'mature' so i can only assume they're trying to ff16 it
First of all, KH3 didn't flop.
Second, y3ah, i'm fucking scared of what the retards at SE will do to my precious game
>First of all, KH3 didn't flop.
its only good with the dlc and I personally watched my friend drop the game, after we played every game in the series up to it between us. (i played aquas game and DDD where as he has days on actual ds cart not the cutscene travesty that is on the discs.)
he dropped it by the second world.
No one gives a fuck about your anecdotal evidence about your buttbuddy
KH3 was in the top 10 (maybe even top 5) sales of 2019 and has sold over 7 million units as of 2023, making it the highest selling game in the entire franchise.
>no one cares about your personal experiences gamer, here is a spreadsheet
>debating whether or not a game was a financial success
>randomly add in an anecdote about your buddy quitting 2 worlds in
out that your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST BRING UP SALES FIGURES INTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A GAME FLOPPED! MY FRIEND QUIT PLAYING THE GAME THEREFORE IT IS A DOGSHIT GAME THAT FLOPPED!
Jesus christ anon.
KH3 still made a ton of money, but that didnt stop all the fair criticism the game got for feeling sloppy and rushed. Most of the audience hated it, and it ended up forcing them to push out some DLC patch just to add some extra cutscenes and a boss rush mode to "band-aid" the problem.
by "more mature" the journalist means more lgbt chud representation and female censorship
But DQ11 already had trans representation.
Anon, that's a zombie girl
that's an awfully transphobic thing to say anon.
>he doesn't know what sex change operation "tissue" involves
Anon, take a trip to 4chan at least once.
transitioned from human to zombie
I really fucking wish there was a couple hours of adventure/content in that school. it was so comfy. yet you literally only pass by there.
It already has tons of side quests for a shitty joke area settle down
But XI is already censored, I guess the next step is covering up thigh windows and going with full pants?
GRRM was a mistake
you sound brordly
they never said they were removing the turn based combat
they did, it's going to be ATB now
show me
Where is the proof doomtrannies?!?!?!?
Ask your big fat mom
oh so you were making shit up again hahah classic doomerchud moment
Yes they did
Look up DQ9 trailers. They wanted to ditch turn based since ds days.
People seem to think saying there would be an adjustment would mean real time, they're probably just going to have some sort of formation system where the order the party is in is relevant
>dragon quest
>kid friendly
>when it has themes of death, political turmoil,the human condition, fat fucking puff-puff tits, gambling, death, etc
it's already pretty mature as is.
Mature for "worldwide audiences", silly anon. All the things you listed are kid-friendly to glorious gaijins.
ドラクエ12の発表の時に「ダークな大人向けドラゴンクエスト」みたいな宣伝されてたけどこれまでのドラクエが特にダークではないと思ってる人の作るダークな物語、どうなってしまうんだ
はい、その気持ちがよくわかります
私もおっぱいが好きです
Mature means “we need to remove the anime because my friends will laugh at me”
what's that old quote about only immature people caring about maturity again?
there's plenty of older people who enjoy cheerful adventures, the whole brooding thing isn't cool at all it just makes you look like a try hard teen who thinks everything sucks.
One of the gacha games with the biggest cultural impact is beloved for its comedic and optimistic story. There's absolutely a market for it.
>One of the gacha games
lmao
Yes. And Star Rail also proves there's a market for turn based combat. Sorry this triggers your autism.
Gacha aren't games and never will be. What they do and do not do and that people enjoy of them doesn't matter.
The people who deal in them are not into games and are to be ignored by this industry. Talking about turn based alongside gachatrash is how you turn people who actually like games further against it because only retards bother with gacha.
It's not mature if the characters don't say slurs every 20 seconds anon.
it's not mature unless someone says "fuck" every 5 minutes
Story and characters are all based on cliches and very superficial. Barely any depth. And I'm not complaining about it, I'm just telling it how it is. There is nothing mature or deep about DQ. The series is braindead.
Just get rid of the one dimensional joke characters and the 'aaieeee' kind of shit. They try hard to appeal to idiots that need characters and settings to be dark, brooding and depressing to be 'mature'.
Ive seen kid-friendly shows and games that have a lot of depth to them and thats what I count as 'mature', not slapping a gray filter on it and black leather clothes on everyone and call it a day.
All of that is pretty shallow and juvenile in dragon quest, which is not bad if i wanted game of thrones id read a book not play a game
All mainline DQs are CERO A, the equivalent of ESRB’s Rated E, they tackle those subjects in a completely kid friendly manner, death, turmoil, loss, etc. are just themes, it is how you handle that differentiates wether a work is aimed at a younger or older audience.
I assume it's going to be about the way it's presented, I expect blood and edgy tone.
No no
It need to have penis customization to be considered mature
Mature is codeword for nothing meaningful beyond the edgy surface level when it comes to western games
The average consumer won't understand a game as "mature" unless it is blatantly in your face with stuff like rampant profanity, rampant nudity, rampant gore and blood, and totally not subtle depictions of trauma and mental illness.Unless clearly spelled out for the general audience, you wouldn't be able to convince them it is "mature." Though that's a problem with most things as most never go past surface level understanding.
>Dragon Quest XII is being developed taking into account the next 10 to 20 years of the Dragon Quest series.
>There are parts that remain consistent with the traditional image of Dragon Quest, but new elements are also necessary. After all, as a brand we always need to innovate.
damn it's actually fucking over
i guess the question is, who will step up and make a dq clone to fill the void? who even can, without toriyama's designs?
Should have put Lenneth on PC.
I don't care about the story just don't make it baby mode like DQ11 was
Base DQ11 is indeed quite a joke but holy shit you can make that game abject misery with all the mods on.
Hard Monsters randomly flails between still too easy and pure RNG hell gauntlet every other hour unless your grind to the level cap of that one low level mod for every boss fight
The amount of times a desperate attack has fucked me over is staggering. Any enemy that has that option will use it multiple times if you let them live.
>what, it's working?
>CHANGE IT CHANGE IT CHANGE IT
are suits retarded?
but they want the le grimdark mature audience.
despite, y'know dragon quest dealing with dark subjects all the fucking time.
It looks cute and colorful so everyone in the west will think it is for children
there's a reason American localization teams started putting angry eyebrows on box art, westerners need to be told that games are serious or they can't enjoy them
I'm so glad that stopped being a thing.
Yeah I never got this “DQ is just kiddy shit” stuff. The DQV protagonist goes through a level of pure suffering normally only reserved for Guts or Peter Parker.
Like sure, he still gets a happy ending but by god did he ever have to work for it.
yeah every hero probably would have PTSD dealing with all the shit they do, someone like that deserves the good end.
Fromsoft brain broke them.
YES.
It's the classic case of
>we can change it an the old audience will remain while the new audience will love it.
It's honestly my only gripe with FFXVI. It's fucking serious most of the time. I like just about everything else about it, but some levity would be nice from time to time.
If you're not growing year after year you're not considered good enough for execs and shareholders. They're going to do anything to push into the western market.
They are starting to fall for the lie that there is an audience for their games that is much bigger than their existing fanbase that they can reach by just starting to change the game.
That and the idea that their existing fans will keep buying their games no matter what they do with them, so changes to pander to the non-fans can only result in line going up
It is a simple, yet retarded mindset of
>Hmm, well this did rather well but what if we changed it up because there may be a way to make EVEN MORE money
sadly suits think infinite growth actually exists or that they are too big to fail.
Tsunekazu IShillHada basically just responded to dexit criticism in a video with a long winded "you'll buy it anyway".
And then made up numbers to pretend it did even though the stats Nintendo puts out on their own shows it likely didn't even hit 10 million since it couldn't outsell shit like BotW and Minecraft in it's launch month. The latter of which, at launch in Japan, had sold less than half TOTAL of what they said Sword and Shield did even though Minecraft - which beat it on Nintendo's lists - had only sold 4 digit numbers that week and every week that month in Japan.
Suits often refuse to be wrong. Especially when there's no fear of investors or even being questioned.
Corporations need court jesters
It's the assumption that there's infinite growth potential by catering to other audiences. Time and again, it either completely kills a franchise or it completely caters to normalfags and alienates the original fanbase.
I play Dragon Quest games because they don't deviate too much from the formula and I know I'm getting a fairly consistent game in terms of quality. I gave up on Final Fantasy a long time ago because it transformed into something drastically different from the games I grew up with and enjoyed. If Dragon Quest does the same, it absolutely will kill the franchise, seeing as it's one of the most iconic, referenced, and parodied Japanese properties of all time. I don't want to see Dragon Quest die, but I want to see Square Enix continue fucking themselves until the company goes completely under and their yakuza handlers start taking lives.
Wants to remove the traditional turn based combat
>Wants to appeal to westerners by having a full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
You made this up
The things coming out of Japan have been much worse ever since they stopped making them for their own market exclusively.
Yet another case of out-of-touch japanese boomers trying to chase trends after getting a whiff of international money
america ruining things without even trying
because you just KNOW they judge the global market purely off of america
I mean there really isn't a market for DQ in China because of how the chinese game market works, that lives EU and USA, with USA the easiest to target as a cohesive unit.
Well also India, Africa and South America but ehhhh. All those are a lot harder to appeal to internationally than it is to just target western Europe and the USA.
Sad but true I consume Japanese content to get Japanese content not Westaslop the fact these people are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator normalgroids over here is worrying.
>totally sane post btw
>Has nothing of value to say thus tries to denigrate it with a reddit style comment
What's next a wojak picture? Fuck off normalmoron the people that actually play these games are speaking.
>le hecking buzzwordasloperrino
>Uh oh I can't counter what they're saying so I better attack his character rather than the argument
I accept your conccesion
you have no argument moron. Post a source about DQ12 be le hecking westurdsloperinopozzaslop now
And what makes you think there won't be any discernable changes after they released a game like Flopspoken?
Because they aren’t made by the same people. Thanks for playing retard!
>Ignores the fact the devs themselves have said they wish to appeal to a western audience
>The last time they did that we got Flopspoken
>Implying otherwise
Just because they want to try and boost sales/appeal in the west doesn’t mean it’s going to be forespoken. Hope this helps schizo!
>Concedes the point thus showing he was a dishonest gay
How many rupees are you getting Ranjit?
>still hasn’t posted any proof that they are removing turnbased or that being more mature and possibly appealing to wider audiences means playing a moron woman
It must be tough being an autistic retard
>Never made the claim they were removing turn based
>Implied that Square Enixs idea of a western game is flopspoken
>Implying this won't affect the final outcome of a product they're trying to westernize
Are we really going to repeat this after you conceding, Raynesh?
>ITS GOING TO FLOPSPOKEN I SWEAR PLEASE BACK ME UP DISCORSISTERS
no meds
>Starts acting like the schizo he accuses everyone else
No, you're denying reality here chap. The original claim is quite simple, ESGsoft's magnum opus for what they think appeals to Westerners is flopspoken. The devs (as you conceded) wish to appeal to the same audience. Which begs the question, how naive are you to think westernizing the series won't lead to that ultimate conclusion?
To play devil's advocate look what happened to Gundam, they pandered to their own audience and we got the worse and the most forgettable installment in the franchise
>To play devil's advocate look what happened to Gundam, they pandered to their own audience and we got the worse and the most forgettable installment in the franchise
00?
Unicorn?
Narrative?
The Origin?
IBO?
I'm talking about Witch From Mercury you fucking idiot
Maybe if they didn't localize it the way they did
Square Enix is one of the most retarded companies in Japan. They will be bought up and cannibalized within a decade.
Just put a good writer on the lead or have someone critique Yuki Horii harshly while he's brainstorming for ideas, aside from a few great moments and some great characters the story in these games makes my brain rot.
>another FFX*I disaster coming
fuck square enix
>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
is it actually bigger than monster hunter?
Pokemon, Splatoon, Mario Kart, Smash and Animal Crossing are all bigger than Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest.
Doesn't anyone know that DQ is owned by Horii, Toriyama, and the Sugiyama estate? It's not Squeenix's IP like Final Fantasy is.
It just needs better english VA
Thats it
Thats the solution
>Dragon Quest 12 is struggling to hit its more ‘mature’ audience
ff15 failed? it sold a lot for a failure
to remove the traditional turn based combat
God fucking damnit
I thought FF16 crashing and burning would mean we're finally safe from the ATB menace
At this point it's 100% sure bear game 3(BG3) sold more than FF16, if it outsold it on PS5 it will hopefully make SE execs babbling about TB being bad for sales commit sudoku.
Haven't followed DQ for a while, is Enix still doing parody translations for the english versions or did they get their shit together?
Yes it's still ye olde ass english with british va, guv'na m8
Imagine knowing Cyrillic and trying to read that
I can't
They're still doing it. Utter retards still defend it despite most of the fanbase hating it.
>is Enix still doing parody translations for the english versions or did they get their shit together?
SE does parody translations of every single game that goes through them. people still buy it so they still allow it.
>"parody translation"
you will never be japanese, elitist
>you will never be japanese, elitist
I see we have a lolcowliser in the thread.
Japanese website. Newfag-kun
>Dragon Quest 12 is struggling to hit its more ‘mature’ audience
It was a joke to avoid answearing the question about the state of DQ12's devlopment
>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
Pokemon.
>Wants to remove the traditional turn based combat
Thed never said such a thing. Horii explicity said they're making changes to TURN BASED combat.
>Wants to appeal to westerners by having a full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
No they don't.
I'm on to you. You aren't a DQ fan, but a gay trying to concern troll
>Wants to appeal to westerners by having a full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
>No they don't.
What do you think mature means. Even if the rest is nonsense you know what that means anon.
Don't delude yourself like I did. In 2018 I was still saying Game Freak would never delete Pokémon because I believed it. If you think Squeer won't do exactly what everyone knows they mean by "mature" you're deluding yourself.
>Pokemon.
no pokemon released after has done better than animal crossing NH
>changes to turn based combat
that's even worse tbh
reinventing the wheel never goes well
What happen
When
Toriyama
Die
Goku
Finally
Die
Too
Do you gays really think he's actually been drawing all the character designs in the last 20 years
Toyotaro happens
I love how he just made AF basically cannon with zero fucks given.
AF?
basically back in the day toyo made a fan manga called "dragon ball AF" set after GT (circa early 2000's) that featured and I shit you not, majin puu that looked like winnie (which he reused in super) and super sayian 6 which was literally just ultra insinct but with monke
if your wondering what "AF" stands for it's April fools that's what it was originally made for, look it up it's almost 1 for 1 the same story beats as super.
I remember a bunch of fanart where "AF" stood for "Angel Fire" and went up to like Super Saiyan 49 and shit
Toyotaro for another 20 years. This is what he said last year.
Stil unbelievebly trash compared to Toriyama
i guess some people are just born with unmatchable genius talent
Toriyama's ability to potray movement and action on paper is unmatched. Combine that with his great art and panelling and you get an amazing mangaka. Even today, there aren't many mangakas that have better panelling than Toriyama.
toriyama is easily the most based retard ever.
revelation over reason
Baffled that Fenyo didn't get the job instead. Dude can emulate Toriyama almost perfectly.
Patience, there is still a chance. Funny thing is that Fenyo mocks Toyotaro too.
this is really good damn he mogs the shit out of Toyotaro
only negative is the lineart itself, it's not as smooth and regular as Toriyama, so it looks more amateur
It doesn't matter of Fenyo mogs Toyotaro.
Fenyo can't produce at a fast pace or big scale and wouldn't be bale to keep up the monthly release cycle, so he's literally irrelevant. That's the big reason why Toyotaro was hired - he can emulate Toriyama fairly well (most of the time), and more importantly can absolutely shit out page after page at a pace faster than Toriyama was doing in his prime.
>Toyotaro faster than Tori
dumbass, Tori could shit out a chapter a week, it wasn't taking months for Tori for a single chapter.
Tori chapters were generally 14-15 pages long because it was weekly
Toyo chapters are generally 45-46 pages long because it's monthly.
Stop acting like Toyoshit is fast.
>Fenyo can't produce at a fast pace or big scale and wouldn't be bale to keep up the monthly release cycle
You don't know shit about his capacity to do it, gay.
>he can emulate Toriyama fairly well (most of the time)
LMAO
>more importantly can absolutely shit out page after page at a pace faster than Toriyama was doing in his prime
LMAO2
Fuck off Toyotaro, go back to your shit work.
>Stop acting like Toyoshit is fast.
Toriyama quite literally said one of the things that impressed him most about Toyo was his speed and how he might even be faster than Tori was at his prime.
But sure, go ahead and go off like a little gay I guess.
The lineart is on purpose, the things he posts aren't finalized stuff just things he does in his off time. When he colors/finalizes he inks in like Toriyama.
Fenyo should have been the one.
single draws = drawing an actual active manga
Fenyo has a youtube if you wanna see how quick he can work, he can get a half page done in about 20 minutes. Wonder if we'll get him as a primary artist on any other Tori work anytime.
Toyotaro will get replaced eventually. I am hoping that he is replaced either by Fenyo or Nagayama.
I love Fenyo, he went on a girls of DB streak recently.
This was Gohan's best design by far. I wish he kept the saiyaman suit or the color green as his motif
I'd be curious to see if dq designed by Oda would work
The monsters in odyssey look really good, i wish there was an rpg with oda’s designs but unrelated to one shit
Yeah I feel like oda is the only one who can be toriyama successor without feeling either like a cheap knockoff like toyo or create a new artstyle that feels like a downgrade or out of place.
How is Odyssey anyway? I agree that Oda is probably the only one that could do the designs for a Dragon Quest game justice. Would be interesting to see a DQ game with Toriyama humans and Oda monsters.
There are tons of artist that can mimic Toriyama art style.
Why is DQ so unpopular in the West?
>The 3DS, PS4, and Switch versions sold a total of 5,000,000 units in Japan.
>By December 2021, the game had shipped over six million copies worldwide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_XI
>Why is DQ so unpopular in the West?
They never tried to market it properly
Because FF took off they don't give a fuck and thought they would compete with themselves
Same reason why DQX will never come because they think they'll compete with themselves in the mmo space
>They never tried to market it properly
lol
lmao
I know this thread is filled with posers who know nothing about Dragon Quest, but they marketed the fuck out of the games CONSTANTLY.
>Dragon Warrior 1-4
2-4 certainly had less of a push, but it's hard to compare with 1, where they LITERALLY GAVE COPIES AWAY FOR FREE. If you had a Nintendo Power sub, you had a copy of Dragon Warrior 1.
>Dragon Warrior 1+2 & 3 & Monsters (GBC)
Couldn't escape ads for this shit.
>Dragon Quest VIII
They literally bundled it with a demo of Final Fantasy XII, that is the only reason anyone bought it.
>Dragon Quest IX
Nintendo was responsible for advertising this, and they pushed it as hard as possible
>Modern DQ
Every notable video game youtuber has been bought out, and SquEnix had a trend back in like 2019 where they would buy out large chunks of press conferences from Nintendo just to advertise new DQ shit.
it's too japanese for normoids
DQXI just wasn't very good.
Agreed and I played and love all DQ games except IX
DQXI was huge nostalgia bait for japs. it didnt have the same effect to the western playerbase obviously.
Because it's translated as if it's for 3 year olds, which puts off anyone over that age mentally. It's a wonder that anyone in the west has even played DQ.
Dragon quest translation is soulful, way better than mutt english
not enough blacks and trannies for westoids
Ain't every DQ game just a good guy beating a bad guy over and over again without any nuisance?
Funny enough, no. Dragon Quest 5 has the character enslaved as a child after watching his father get killed, later escaping as an adult, to kill the big bad later. A few Dragon Quest games have the protagonists completely fuck up, requiring them to correct their fuckups. Dragon Quest isn't just "Hero goes to a dragon, kills the dragon, saves the princess, and then kills the big evil guy.", even if that's literally just the plot of Dragon Quest 1.
Heard 5 was an exception. An exception that is considered by many the best DQ game.
DQ5 is an exemption to gaming as a whole. I don't think any game on any genre attempted a similar story scope as dq5.
>evil bad guy destroys your village and kills your father
>years later you set out for revenge
it's really not as unique as you think.
>evil bad guy destroys your village
you didn't play the game.
I did, it's just been a long ass time and I'm hazy on the details. I know there's the enslavement thing, I thought the big bad guy killed your dad but that wouldn't be until after you're enslaved because your dad is with you at the start of the slave part.
Still, the plot of "good guy getting revenge on evil guy that wronged him as a child" isn't very unique.
yeah you clearly forgot everything my man, would recommend u play through it again
life is too short and there are too many other good games or books or movies or tv shows or life in genreal to enjoy for me to go back and replay a 40 hour long JRPG.
i liked it but its literally the only DQ i've ever played
Square-Enix doesn't want it to be successful in the West, if they had their way the series wouldn't come to the West at all.
>refuse to give it any marketing in the west beyond a random trailer or two
>when they had Nintendo handle bringing over DQ9 and doing the marketing for it it ended up being the best selling game in the franchise until DQ11
>intentionally make the localization retarded
>brought over the base version of Joker 2 despite the fact that the superior International version was already made
>adamantly didn't want to release the 3DS remake of 7 to the west because "muh script is too long to translate"
>only brought the 3DS versions of 7 and 8 to the west because Horii was under the impression they were already brought to the west but found out they weren't
>adamantly refuses to bring Rocket Slime 1 and 3 to the west despite the fact SE themselves admit that the west liked Rocket Slime more than Japan did and wants more Rocket Slime games than Japan does
>makes an offline remake of DQ10, will not bring it to the west
I Simply didn't know dq existed until the 11th game.
it looks extremely generic and goofy as far as jrpgs go
also the artstyle is way too associated with dragonball
Hopefully they`ll learn a lesson from FF XVI and take a step backwards. There are already too many dark fantasy action games. That market is already saturated. DQ should remain a lighthearted turn based adventure. Not only that has been it`s identity since the beginning but there is been progressively less options aimed to produce that kind of games even though there is demand.
As an adult i`m definitely tired of media trying to push politics, sex and whatnot into everything. I just want a classic clean fun old school adventure.
Agree on the politics part but sex sells.
Wish granted, you wanted bunny suits because sex sells and now you will have men who transform into giant bear sized rabbits.
>people unironically defend bear sex because "i-it's not a real bear"
>but if you bring up fictional anime tits that are legal they freak the fuck out.
really makes you think.
it does not matter what people say otherwise.
I thought the whole point was that they had Dragon Quest which was the more bright, colourful, upbeat franchise, the Final Fantasy as the more mature one. Why make them the same?
SQ is probably going to say "if you want a lighthearted adventure then play DQ Builders and DQ monster"
I really want another Builders game.
same, senpai. I had so much fun with builders it's insane.
jarpigs are dying, gaming is healing 🙂
Jarpigs are being killed by jarpigs refusal to do what made jarpigs successful.
The fact that theres still no plan for another attempt at a Chrono game all these years later show how out of their own loop Square is.
where's my DQIX remake you hack frauds?!
>I didn’t like all their big games so I declare them a failure
Fukken lol
Yes, Anon. They're doing so well that they're closing studios, pulling the plug on GAAS projects before they're even one year old, selling off assets to try and resuscitate the dead-end that is NFT gaming, and fast-tracking ports they said weren't going to happen for a long while in an effort to staunch the bleed of investors after sagging MMO money and missed estimates for one of their flagship titles. Because that's what winning looks like.
The only unqualified success they've had recently is from porting old RPGs to new platforms for the squillionth time, and their current management will resist that lesson all the way to dissolution.
>Wants to appeal to westerners by having a full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
that's perfectly described, i fucking HATE this shit, fucking manteenagers redditors i hate them so much
>Dragon Quest
>mature audience
no computer, people love DQ series for being childish adventures
>make unfathomably derivative, dumbed down, kitschy, cliche ridden trash for lobotomised, under-developed man-children for 37 years straight
>wtf why dont normal, mentally developed people buy our trash?!
Japs are creatively bankrupt, no different than in the west. If their shit doesn't have sex or fan-service in it people wouldn't buy it.
shut up you retarded moron
That's what a video game should be about, simple and fun gameplay. It's intemporal there is no reason to change it.
Go play your bloated reddit slop for ignorant soulet midwits chud moron
they'll hate you because you spoke the truth
There's nothing wrong with games in a game series playing identically. If it's called Dragon Quest, it should play like Dragon Quest. That's what dumb fucks don't understand. If you want to evolve gameplay and make something new - then give it a new title and make a new series so that people know to expect something different. The problem is that companies are cancer and want to keep banking on a name regardless of if it has anything to do with that name to begin with, and that's where the trouble starts.
Turn-based combat is more popular now than it ever has been, just look at Baldur's Gate 3 for example it's BTFO'ing every other Western RPG currently with an old school turn-based combat system straight-out of the late-90's. Atlus's games are still extremely popular and have never deviated from their turn-based roots outside of SMT/Persona spinoffs.
People are burnt the fuck out on Kingdom Hearts clones and looter shooters, real-time combat is a necessary evil for MMORPG's but it's an inherently faulty and inferior design for a single-player RPG that leads to every other aspect of the game being watered-down and compromised. They'd have to be REALLY fucking stupid to get rid of that in Dragon Quest when it's still their golden goose franchise in Japan for a reason. You can introduce new elements to the formula to make it feel fresh but don't """fix""" shit that isn't broke. And Final Fantasy should absolutely return to turn-based combat for its next mainline entry.
>. Atlus's games are still extremely popular
no they aren't. everything not named chudsona 5 sells like shit
Either SE executives are bizarrely retardaded or journalists are coming up with shit on the spot to write their articles
Why won't Square Enix go out of business already?
They're getting there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230913122606/https://www.gamesindustry.biz/square-enix-has-lost-almost-2bn-in-value-since-final-fantasy-16-launch
If they go out of business rather than having a lot of shitty jrpgs and a few good jrpgs you’ll just be left with no jrpgs. It’s a dying genre.
>it's a dying genre
lmao
People only enjoy turn based shit like baldurs gate or persona because they get to larp as successful people rather than autistic freaks, pokemon is just brand loyalty. No one gives a fuck about falcom or atelier shit. The most popular FF game currently is a WoW clone.
shut up you retarded moron
atelier ryza was literally the most successful atelier game to date
Wow the most successful game of a flop franchise
>Dumbed down slop sells well
That's a bad thing.
>It’s a dying genre
do westoids really?
we're literally entering on the "Sony saved us" arc. Or the "Nintendo, we apologize so buy us!" arc.
can you at least let them finish ff7 remake for gods sake? we've only been waiting 20 years.
>waiting 20 years for fanfiction parody
>Caring about the remake when they censored Tifa
>we've only been waiting 20 years.
lmao kys
They keep releasing flop after flop that everyone knows will flop. It'll happen soon. It has to.
>>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
Maybe 25 years ago. Pokemon and Monster Hunter mog it in popularity. Hell Zelda and Splatoon probably do too.
>All those cheap remakes / games nobody cares about like [...] star ocean
you shut your mouth, star ocean is fantastic and i'm stoked that we're getting a decent remake of 2.
it's become painfully apparent that square loathes its properties in its current form and are desperately trying to turn them into something else, trying to break into this imaginary audience of mature videogames for mature adults that consists of tits and ass that comes off more targeted towards children who don't have access to porn.
Square has no influence on what happens with DQ.
You can blame Armor project and senile Horii it its shit.
Plenty of DQ games have darker themes
>KH3
>FFXVI
>failures
nah
>remakes
Square remakes are really good
But then what about the FFVII one
>SE has lost nearly 2 billion dollars in value since FFXVI's release
That's yen mind you so it's not nearly as big as you think it is.
just make more DQ9. It's the best one
Dq11 graphics, DQ9 gameplay/job system and post game content and Dq5 tier story.
>another fucking dumb dragon quest doomer thread
you know horii OWNS this fucking franchise right? you know SE is his bitch right? no other big vidya creator from the 80s has had as much direct control of their series as he has, and still has. dq is the only thing that has a 0 percent chance of going pozzed you fucking massive retards.
What other sacred cow SE has at this point?
>FF
It's dead and lost the will of the fanbase.
>DQ
They will make this more like an american game.
What else does SE has if they destroy DQ?
Nothing but random RPGs no one remembers or cares about enough
xenogears, chrono trigger/cross/radical dreamers
parasite fucking eve
the problem is they haven't made anything new since the merger. which was in my opinion a mistake.
>xenogears
Isn't that a tricky one, thanks to the "Xeno" games basically ditching SE?
>parasite fucking eve
I'm pretty sure there's some rights issues involved in this one too. At least, I heard they weren't allowed to use "Parasite Eve" in the title for 3rd Birthday.
Speaking of, pretty bold to include this one in a list of games SE hasn't ruined yet.
>pretty bold to include this one in a list of games SE hasn't ruined yet.
yeah they didn't remake 1 and 2 yet.
>debating whether or not a game was a financial success
is that what you think flop means?
go to Ganker please im so fucking tired of hearing about sales, by your logic starfield did well. please have a nice day.
>is that what you think flop means?
No, that’s what a company thinks. It’s directly related to their assessment towards making or stopping new games, and/or altering a series towards the direction they think it might affect sales.
That's what flop means dude, you're the one using it wrong.
whether or not a game was a financial success
>is that what you think flop means?
Yes, you absolute retard.
>by your logic starfield did well
Starfield is a completely different beast because Starfield was 'free' for 30 million people that use gamepass and between the Steam, Windows PC, and Xbox players it only hit about 6 million. By those metrics it did awful, but you also can't expect 100% of GP users to play every game on GP.
>is that what you think flop means?
Generally that's what flop would mean and it's definitely what it means in the context of that reply chain you jumped into; probably without reading the earlier posts.
>debating whether or not a game was a financial success
>is that what you think flop means?
jesus christ what a fucking drooling retard
I typed out a whole list of shit before I realized you meant they haven't had anything new for just the franchises you listed
They have cited that they won't do anything new with Chrono unless the "Dream Team" comes back together. Wada then said we need to "buy more copies" in regards to the DS remake if we want anything new.
Xeno is obviously too much cult classic status to do anything major with and the story-to-gameplay ratio is unique even among JRPGs. And the main reason is because Takahashi wouldn't be involved.
And I think there was some sort of dispute with the author of the novel for Parasite Eve that may have even crossed legal territory.
>parasite fucking eve
after 3rd birthday good fucking luck sincerely a former parasite eve fag.
I want to play 3rd Birthday because I like the edgy mid 2000s aesthetic but I haven't played any PE game. What was it about T3B that was so bad?
The fact that it's not even named Parasite Eve should tip you off. It barely has anything to do with the previous games or even PE in general. Also it's plot is fucking retarded.
>It's dead and lost the will of the fanbase.
stop believing your own regurgitated vitriol
No one cares that you think anything past 6 is worth touching. People who actually like FF have had over a quarter century of getting tired of waiting for the return to form zoomie gay.
Kingdom Hearts.
FF XIV?
They exploit the mentally ill just like any gacha game. And long time players keep renewing subscription out of habit.
I didnt know dragon quest 12 was out.
I care about star ocean.
Oh hey the other star ocean fan. Whats up buddy.
im not that anon but, you preorder the 2dhd yet?, i wanna buy it but i just fear they changed the script translation.
>you preorder the 2dhd yet?
NTA, but I preordered a physical copy on PS5 and digital via Steam for my Steam Deck.
Not gonna pre-order but I am probably gonna pick it up on pc once it's out. The new combat stuff looks super fun and i'm willing to bet they buffed the shit outta the maze enemies and bosses to compensate.
Importing the JP Switch release, I say it every thread but new art and bringing back the original release’s cast to voice everything they didn’t get to was great in First Departure R and I’m fucking thrilled they’re doing it again
>the other star ocean fan
there are a surprising amount of SO2 fans. this became apparent to me when SO2R was announced and we got big threads every day for the next 2 weeks or so.
unfortunately for SE, many SO2 fans (including me) aren't really interested in new installments in the series.
>unfortunately for SE, many SO2 fans (including me) aren't really interested in new installments in the series.
I don't get it.
The other games are pretty great, even 5 which for sure is the lowest point in the series and has it's flaws, it's still a pretty fun game.
Are you one of those bitter "the ending of 3 ruined the series for me" people? Or did you just not like the way the series handled the transition to 3d?
What is it about the newer installments that you aren't interested in?
Star Ocean games had a massive tonal shift after Second Story for me and I found them largely embarrassing even for a JRPG fan. Honestly, most JRPGs after the huge boom of them on SNES and PS1 did not interest me. Games implementing early 2000s card game mechanics or using 2000s anime styles and writing created a huge tonal shift and killed JRPGs for me. Except Dragon Quest, which stayed true to its formula mostly. Of course, there have been four mainline Dragon Quest games that have localized in the United States since the turn of the millennium and I don't even really care for Dragon Quest IX very much, nor do I like Dragon Quest VII.
Seriously, look at pic related and tell me that this will sell units. It's generic even by JRPG standards.
Fair enough. I thought half of, if not more, the character designs in 2 were generic JRPG/Anime looking, but I appreciate you actually explaining why you fell off from the series.
That said 2 also has one of the coolest character designs in JRPG history with Ashton Anchors.
Eh who knows. Like I said it's just some rumor that popped up like half a year ago. Given that they didn't charge out of the ass for the Pixel Remasters there's some credit to it, but at the same time they charged 49.99$ (or 59.99$, cant' remember) for the Live-A-Live 2dhd remake, which is much closer to the DQ3 remake than the PRs are.
Either way I want that fucking DQ3 remake to come out soon, I absolutely adore that game.
>I thought half of, if not more, the character designs in 2 were generic JRPG/Anime looking
I don't disagree. Most of Star Ocean 2's character are bland. Rena, Precis, Ashton, Celine, and maybe Claude stand out, but the rest are pretty bad.
I'm likely a minority because I'm old, but I gave up on JRPGs almost entirely during the PS2 era because it looked like a lot of games were changing their appearance. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Final Fantasy X(the series stopped interesting me after VIII, honestly), Xenosaga, and Shining Force EXA all had that "Forget those old JRPGs of the 90s! We have the same franchises you like, but modernized!" attitude that people forget about.
The only stand out title to me seemed to be Dragon Quest VIII where they just made another Dragon Quest, but it was in full 3D. That fucking FFXII demo disc was an amazing marketing idea to get Westerners interested in Dragon Quest. They managed to sell a demo for $50, but then package a full game with it for free, which got people interested in that series more.
Add Grandia to that list. Went to the shitter so fucking fast with the ps2. What a disaster of a console, ruined anything good
Oh, shit. I forgot what a disaster Grandia Xtreme was. The original Grandia is so incredibly charming that it's frustrating to see the series become the same as everyone other bother as shit anime 2000s JRPG.
>anything good
>implying jarpigs were ever good in the first place
ps2 had a lot of good actual games
I'm on the same boat as you then I played Dragon Quest 11, it kinda rekindled my interest to JRPG. It is one of the best old style JRPG out there especially if you love Dq8.
They aren't more generic than the realistic characters you find in most western AAA games.
It just felt more limited and not that fun, of course 3's plot twist didn't help at all with fixing that.
I’m I the only one who thinks 4 is the worst? Don’t get me wrong 5 is more than a little flawed and I still like The Last Hope but of the series it feels the weakest by far
It's probably a crazy opinion, but if it wasn't for 4 disappointing me so much, 2 would be my least favorite of the ones I played. But mainly because I enjoyed everything about 2 except for getting into actual fights. Spell pause is one of the things I hate the most in an action RPG and it's really annoying later in the game.
4 has the best combat in the series bar none. I can deal with the horrible voice actors and the goofy ass plastic doll faces just because that combat is so smooth.
I also unironically think Edge is the best main character in the series and is basically the only main character in the series that gets a full character arc.
Fair enough, and for what it’s worth I agree with your point about Edge; he gets a lot of shit but you can’t argue he doesn’t grow from start to finish. Personally though I’d probably pick Raymond as my fav MC so far, partially because of his “fuck the feds and UP3 both, I’m doing what’s right” attitude and partially just because I like Subaru Kimura
>Personally though I’d probably pick Raymond as my fav MC so far
He also has the best generic name of all time with Raymond Lawrence. After Fidel Camuze and Edge Mavrick and Fayt Leingod, it's some random dude named Ray. I get a chuckle out of it everytime I think of it.
the games after 2 just feel too different for me. whatever "magic" was in 2, I didn't feel it at all in 3 after playing for hours.
honestly don't give a fuck about 3's ending. I've enjoyed other games with silly twists just fine.
it's fine if you enjoy the series, anon. just trying to explain why I like 2 only.
I can already see the trailer dropping with a 75% dislike ratio, and square enix stock value dropping to subaqualic levels.
It's going to be one of those games. Cannot wait.
>t. mentally ill retard
struck a nerve huh
>asshurt for over 2 hours
heh
what?
retard
Shazam sisters, we're back for another ride
>full on grim, dark and "mature" story where all there is are black and grays le moral dark shit
Why do westerners vastly prefer things to be very serious and mature anyway? I don't understand it, especially their obsession with the "mature" part.
You realize the only thing they said was they wanted a more mature game and change up the battle system(not remove turn based) and you gays are making the rest of this shit up in your heads?
They were hiring someone with experience in action RPGs to work on it however
Source? Doesn’t really mean anything eitherway. They specifically said during the reveal it would still be menu based
I'm not saying they're going to completely change everthing, because frankly I have no idea what they're going to do, byut I want to point out that both 7r and KH are menu based too.
cool but we aren’t talking about those games fucking retard
I'm just saying that it being menu based doesn't mean it can't be drastically different from what it is now.
I beat dragon quest 10 and it still feels/plays like dragon quest and it’s an mmo so they’ve already changed the gameplay and it works
I heard plenty of people saying that westerners want games to be more mature or that Japanese developers make more maturer games to cater to them. OP's post also mentions it. I don't know how true it is, but it seems somewhat so.
oh so you heard it form mentally ill gays who raid this website and post bullshit kek how embarrassing
I do think that it might be true considering the difference in taste between what games are more popular in Japan and the west.
nobody care what you think you fucking retard kek how about you actually look up what the creator said instead of repeating discordtrannies
>nobody care what you think
Probably true lol but I'm sure I'm not the only one who actually thinks that.
you and every mentally ill discord chud who makes these exact same threads every couple of weeks
Maybe you should take your meds.
>STOP SHITTING ON MY DISCORDchud DOOMTHREAD
I’m just asking for the proof sis but already know it doesn’t exist
clearly you don't actually care or you'd have seen the interview articles yourself.
We don't have to save every linkto drip feed you because you're too retarded to spend 2.4 seconds on a search engine.
You can't even use the excuse that you don't care about those sites because people posted them HERE at the time.
Actually I do know that why I’m calling your reddit spacing ass out fucking moron kek
ESGsoft will make sure the next Dragon Quest is a grimslop pozzfest.
>going full schizophrenic buzzword mode because he can’t post a source
it’s over…
Flopspoken says otherwise.
why are you bring up that game bro? I think your having a mental breakdown.
>Why are you bringing up a major release from the company that gives a clear example of what you're speaking about
???
I’m talking about DQ12 schizo try and keep up
>Perhaps if I shift the goal post and ignore the pertinent point being made that will make me win
Try again
My point is you have no source DQ12 being westernslopgoypozz and im waiting for you to post it
>everyone is the same person
I’m aware a multiple retried buzzword spouting gays post itt
>everyone has a completely different posting style and doesn't use the same buzzwords
>being autistic
sad
You're the one who is thinking different anons are one made up person in your head lmao
Their is no difference between you and the other retard kek
At least you realise now that not everyone is the same guy
But you are both equally retarded and buzzword spouting tourists
Lol whatever you think, schizo. I made my post because you were a schizophrenic retard and now that you realised that yourself you can go on arguing with other people in this thread.
nice delusions bro but you still never posted a source
>go backs to thinking that everyone is the same person
lmao
>two deranged faggits can’t back up their schizo doomposting besides FLOPSPOKEN and IM NOT EVEN THAT SAME ANON BRO
K E K
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>Presents no argument and doubles down
I accept your concession
You take whatever cope you need doomchud kek
moron you conceded five posts ago either say something of merit or fuck off
>b-but f-flopspoken
the absolute state
Mindbroken.
>
>Silently concedes
You may leave.
>p-please leave me a-alone
pathetic
>No argument
Are you going to do something or continue to concede?
>le no heckin argumeterino please no bully
SAD
>Continues to concede
>continues to cope
You're arguing with someone that's seething because he knows deep down what westernization of any Japanese media means.
>they already had a crossdressing gay in the last game.
bro speak english
The irony is writers in the west can't even write a gray story to save their life.
It's always pure and good against comical evil that acts in ways that make it impossible for anyone even begin to relate to.
Repressed urges. The term safe-edgy really nails the whole state of the western world. as you are allowed to be a rebel, but not too much of a rebel.
As for DQ is literally just hero boy saves the world with sword, just like how DB is strong mc eats and fights a lot. The moment more is implimented and stretched out the whole thing falls apart. A good example is the Cell saga. Its a total clusterfuck of ideas being tossed all over the place. Making a new IP is the way to goo, but its risky and suits fucking hate that.
I don't get how that correlates with people preferring dark over light hearted or vice versa.
I would've liked a dark jrpg like souls. But turn BASED.
Dragon Quest has always had its darker parts mixed in with the silly, lighthearted stuff. Why do they need to make it mature? Sounds like a bad idea.
>sales indicate what people thought of the game, no that doesn't count they "sold" this many copies through effective giveaway to inflate numbers
you are the retards and you can fuck all the way off. you are why games suck now. go into stocks you fucking hacks.
indicate what people thought of the game
quite literally no one is saying that in this thread you professional victim, holy shit.
You can't have Toriyama artwork with mature tone, it doesn't work.
still waiting on that source doomtrannies…
>Dragon Quest
>>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
Lmao, not even close.
These investors never played DQ5
The most loved japanese games are made for westerner audiences.
All of those are westaboo movie trash and always have been.
thanks for the snoy perspective
>Game is so big in Japan that they release it on a weekend so that people don't take time off
why are you repeating this made up lie?
But that's true? Square always release the new DQ on Saturdays Dq11 included. The lie is there is a government mandated law involved to force Enix to release dq on Saturdays.
Meanwhile, the L2D version of DQ3 is still dead in the water and nowhere to be seen
There were rumors like 6 months ago that production on it was basically finished, but that they wanted to do 2dhd remakes of 1 and 2 as well, and then sell the entire trilogy in a bundle at once.
>Square Enix
>Not trying sell the games for 70 bucks each
>start re-watching LOTR last night
>wow, look at all of these noble dudes becoming friends while they do something incredibly dangerous just because it's right.
>this story is still great after 100 years and it will still be great after 100 more.
>boot up BG3
>everyone is selfish, amoral, totally motivated by self interest
>but you can fuck a bear and murder people
>that means it's "mature"
>can't even be bothered to slog through this garbage "fantasy" game about space aliens
Westerners consoom whatever slop they are told to consoom. They don't enjoy it. They just do it. It's part of their identity or something. They engage in misery for AAAs or they give up and play old shit and weeb shit and indie shit. Chasing the western market without hiring megastreamers and paying off twitch won't work.
Morally white heroes and morally black villains are beyond outdated. That's why no one gives a shit about keeping Superman old-school.
good versus evil is an actual conflict. grey vs grey is just mindless boring chaos.
>beyond outdated
>no one gives a shit about keeping Superman old-school
really?
how is WB doing financially with the DCU?
i dont mind a darker more mature dragon quest. Could be cool. Even the worst, most aberrant dq plotwise is still a fun time
so it'll probably be okay
dragon quest isnt great because of its content, its great because of its quality
to remove the traditional turn based combat
Thank god.
why did they include NTRshit
cucks ruin another series
Also, where is my Dragon Quest III HD-2D remake? It was announced years ago and it seems to have disappeared from existence. How hard would it be to just remake Dragon Quest III on the fucking Octopath Traveler engine? It's not like the game was that large.
This is probably the only game Square cannot fuck up or the nips will kill the devs and burn Square's buildings
I'm pretty sure all they meant when they said more mature was giving up on aiming for the CERO A rating since it's gotten so strict, not even Mario Odyssey was A
what in the next higher up cero rating? sex and gore?
>pander to the west
>franchise starts losing appeal
EVERY TIEM
It's time for the Dragon Quest franchise to finally grow up.
t. gay game journalist
Here you go. I changed it so it now appeals to the "mature" american audience.
thats the kirby audience
I'm actually sad about this. I convinced myself no matter how pozzed gaming would get I would always have Dragon Quest and now they're taking that away. It's actually over.
What?
Theres a DQ12?
11 was alright up until act 3 which felt kind of meaningless
>will live to see Dragon Quest get the 'appeal to the west' treatment
Watch them call Sylvando some tired gay stereotype that they're now apologetic for, and watch make some new homo-spectrum character who's entire personality is beinga passive-aggressive and whining about how hard life is for people who aren't straight.
>Make the game for adult audience
>Still will censor panties and other things anyway
What is the point? Also turn based is the soul of mainline dragon quest. We already have Cuck fantasy and spin offs for the retarded action rpgs.
>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
pokemon mogs dq in jp sales, legacy is the main thing it has going for it
I won't play DQ12 because it's just a snoy movie game, but nintendo. When is DQ Builders 3 coming out?
does DQ Builders have a redstone equivalent yet or is it still an overpriced worse minecraft?
making mature games from family friendly series always kill a series in japan, happened too many series etc.., japan people hate changes
They Square already perfected mature story telling with FFX.
The moment Square merged with Enix---that company has been cursed. I loved Deus Ex: HR, but that wasn't really them.
So its going to be mature like Game of Thrones and TLOU2? Wow, thats exactly what DQ needs to do
Why did GoT mindbreak you? Is it the only thing you can think of when it comes to dark fantasy?
Honestly at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Square Enix gets bought out before the end of the decade.
By whom
microsoft
just when you thought it couldn't get any worse
A dark and mature DQ sounds really interesting, I hope they keep the turn based combat though.
What kid friendly origins? From what I remember the games frequently tell you about how corpses are mutiliated, people die from plague and get turned into undead, villages get destroyed and people watch their loved ones die. The only thing kid friendly is the visuals.
It's going to be a disaster.
But I think Dragon Quest needs to evolve in the way you explore the world.
DQ and most of these jRPGs were born as the Japanese approach to Ultima. The difference is that the Japanese decided to go deeper into the storyline, with the downside that the experience became more streamlined.
I wish the guys would finally try to offer this deeper storyline, and at the same time go back to the old days of Ultima where the "role playing" factor is more pronounced and the player builds his own adventure.
The problem is that apparently the devs, especially the Japanese ones, are completely incapable of reconciling these two things. Just look at Zelda TOTK, which has some of the worst writing in the history of video games precisely because those fucking Japanese don't understand that they can offer freedom without removing a complex and intricate storyline.
>Then comes SE being retarded
SE's influence on Dragon Quest's main titles is incredibly limited. All of that falls to Horii and Armor Project.
>>The DQ we all know
None of you people play DQ lol. 148 IPs here and I'm willing to bet only about 5 people on Ganker have ever actually finished a DQ game.
moron, people like you always say the same shit then when the series gets turned in to African Quest: Weimar Germany 2 you silently bow out. What's going to happen is they're going to westernize it to a safe extent then keep pushing until frog is slowly boiled. Not necessarily because they're chasing ESG but because they're chasing after the approval of a Western audience but they don't know what a western audience actually is. Normal every day people don't want ESG but they wouldn't know that because they can only percieve the West through our media which is 100% fabricated nonsense. They see the most retarded journos, twitterfags and the all most vocal ideologues on the platform. That's who they will try to appeal too.
>moron, people like you always say the same shit then when the series gets turned in to African Quest: Weimar Germany 2 you silently bow out
le sloopery slop!!!!
I don't give a shit. That's not going to happen for several reasons, a notable one being that the series is basically over. Dragon Quest XII will, in all likelihood, be the last numbered entry, with everything following being spin-offs and remakes.
I know you retards who lack any knowledge at all about the franchise think it's just another SquEnix thing, but it isn't. They have the exclusive rights to publish it, but there are three companies above them in development, one run by Horii, one run by Sugiyama's estate, and one run by Toriyama.
You also keep mentioning buzzwords, talking about "normal people" and then namedropping whatever the fuck "ESG" is, like anyone knows what that is.
>Denies the slippery slope
>Doesn't know what ESG is
>Implying they won't chase after money
moron you're delusional, if they can do what they did to LOTR they can do the same thing to DQ.
>what they did to LOTR
You really think there's some big conspiracy to just make bad movies or something, you realize that's a sign of schizophrenia right? That the things you like are SO important that the mysterious "they" are out to get them with their latest buzzword of the week!
Go outside you weirdo.
>You really think there's some big conspiracy to just make bad movies or something
>Rest of the post does not try to disprove this, just incoherent effeminate screeching.
lol
Because it's a waste of effort to "disprove" something that exists almost entirely in the mind of someone else.
"They" are out to get ME and the things I LIKE by making BAD versions of them. It's fucking drivel, like most modern conspiracies, just some shit to make yourself feel important and valuable, and like you're fighting the system (the irony is that this entire site is just a honeypot lol, if you were right your posts would be filtered).
If people want to make money, that's actually not what they do retard. If you want to make money, you make your shit appeal to China and India.
The far simpler reasoning is that companies are retarded in the case of big corpo shlock. They see controversies and how easy it is to make rightoids upset (look no further than retards burning their adidas shoes), so they appeal to progressive standpoints to incur that in the hope they'll make something successful while not having to pay as much to advertise, as that's where most of the film costs goes to now. That is it.
When FFXVI "appeals to the west", that's the creative team just watching Game of Thrones or Walking Dead (both very popular in Japan) and going "It would be nice to make something with the feel of a real Western TV show!"
When Dragon Quest XII says "We're going to be more mature!" you know what that means? It means they're going back to what DQ5-7 were doing before they toned shit down and made an MMO from 8-11. Dragon Quest 5 was literally a story about a kid watching his dad die, getting forced into slavery, and then after escaping and getting married, he and his wife are turned into statues and sold. That's what DQXII is going back to.
As for "changing the gameplay", they've been incredibly vague but they've wanted to do action gameplay since DQIX.
Retard who can only see the surface level. Companies don't believe anything, you dense fucking idiot.
I agree with some what of you say the intention isn't that every Japanese dev is an ideologue but you're missing the point, it has nothing to do with making rightoids upset it has everything to do with the fact that the West is largely governed by investment firms and Blackrock/Vanguard which control the majority of assets.This is an example right from the horses mouth, which is why all the Anons are freaking out over the idea of the devs trying to appeal to the West.
>Because it's a waste of effort to "disprove" something that exists almost entirely in the mind of someone else.
No, it's a reality that normalfags don't understand. See pic related.
>If people want to make money, that's actually not what they do retard. If you want to make money, you make your shit appeal to China and India.
Normalfag does not know the difference between absolute population and consumer market.
> They see controversies and how easy it is to make rightoids upset
Normalfag thinks all negative feedback is because "rightoids are angry".
>Dragon Quest 5 was literally a story about a kid watching his dad die, getting forced into slavery, and then after escaping and getting married, he and his wife are turned into statues and sold
Normalfag doesn't know how to distinguish theme from tone.
>Companies don't believe anything, you dense fucking idiot.
Normalfag doesn't know the power of ideology in people's heads.
A tip: filling your text with "ugly" words doesn't make you less normalfag.
>No, it's a reality that normalfags don't understand. See pic related.
Hey dumbass. Guess what, you wanna know what most sci fi media wants to do? I'd argue almost all of it innately wants to do?
Exactly what that quote says. This was the goal of Star Trek, Harlan Ellison's sci fi works, AE Van Vogt's novels, etc. (not Star Wars, because that isn't sci fi).
It's such a harmless quote, I've heard something like that said for decades by various authors and groups, but if you slap scare words like "PROPAGANDA", suddenly it's the breeding ground for a conspiracy.
"We want to influence the world by developing media to enrich perspectives".
>Normalfag does not know the difference between absolute population and consumer market.
What, you think they're trying to take over the world?
How does that benefit a corporation reliant on money. That only cares about money, not running the world, but having power in it. There's no appeal to running something beyond egotism, that's why Donald Trump became president, and why you only found out what Blackrock is this year.
>Normalfag thinks all negative feedback is because "rightoids are angry".
Retard.
It's free advertising to make conservatives upset and start micro culture wars on the internet. Keurig to Gillette to Adidas, etc. etc. etc., all this shit you see from big corporations about this stuff is primarily done for that reason. To cut on advertising costs by making you idiots the vehicles for advertising.
>Normalfag doesn't know how to distinguish theme from tone.
The tone of DQ5 is pretty grim lol. There's this pretty depressing moment at the start of the third act where you just watch the hero, as a statue, be sold off and be put in front of someone's house for years.
Yes. LOTR went from what it was to having genuine unironic seminars about marxism it was completely ideologically subverted but the point is ESG and the 'western audience' is just another buzzword for chasing after money, which means playing by the West rules, which means adopting all the retardation the West shoehorns in to vidya. If you think normal people want a hobby politicized and turned in to mess you're insane.
The vast majority of popular media in the West has been coopted to ram a message down the audiences throat.
This post was the most normalfag thing I've read in my life. It even ends with "touch the grass" at the end.
Yeah, I can actually do research and know what the fuck Blackrock actually is, what a fucking normalfag!
You people probably don't even know that Blackrock doesn't actually own the shares it owns.
>SHUT UP AND DON'T NOTICE THINGS
>ALSO RIGHT PEOPLE BAD LEFT GOOD
You're poisoned by a child's understanding of politics.
"Notice things", you watched a shit youtube video or listened to some retard here and decided on a new boogeyman. If you did any research on Blackrock, you'd know this.
I imagine this was initially a joke, that "Blackcock" is the new world order, and some retards ran with it and here we are!
>Ad hominems
Touch grass.
>>Ad hominems
I'd like to remind you that this was your post
, the equivalent of an "I AM SILLY" comic.
>I'm willing to bet only about 5 people on Ganker have ever actually finished a DQ game.
Yeah, I'm sure all 165 retards here have played Dragon Quest, and totally aren't just here because
>muh squenix
>muh selling out to the west
Look at the responses to some posts here, people are more keen to talk about fucking Dragon Ball or Final Fantasy than actually discuss DQ. If anyone here knew anything about DQ, they'd call OP a lying gay because they're literally making shit up. We're almost at the bump limit, and searching 'DQ' only brings 80 (now 81) results!
>it has nothing to do with making rightoids upset it has everything to do with the fact that the West is largely governed by investment firms and Blackrock/Vanguard which control the majority of assets
Genuinely retarded.
It has nothing to do with that. These are just talking points to get retards and boomers invested in narratives to sell them supplements or some other retarded shit.
Like, do you guys even know what an asset manager is? Do you know what Blackrock does, or do you just listen to the latest moron on 4chan or Ganker, who makes sure to shill some grifter on youtube or bring up a new alternative media site or imageboard?
Again, if any of this was true, I wouldn't be seeing it 5 million times a day here. Ganker is actually used by the American government, there are literal bot farms on the site, you think if this shit was real they'd let you talk about it? Of course not.
They're a wing of the US government, as of right now they're trying to artificially force DEI shit in to everything. The end result is that you have to meet their criteria to get proper investment, so if your game isn't a tickbox exercise then you lose ridiculous amounts of money. Billions of dollars that are poured in to companies that bend the knee and all investors care about is money but Larry Fink who is THE head has explicitly said so himself, denying this is a denial of reality. I'm assuming you don't consume much content outside of niché hobbies otherwise you wouldn't be trying to sidestep what's being said.
Alright, you don't actually know what Blackrock is. Great. You're just taking shit at face value from other anons (or literal marketers) and believing in the latest boogeyman.
Can't wait to come by next week and see some new big conspiracy that is trying to DESTROY OUR VIDEO GAMES!!!
I'd prefer to actually talk about the games, but the only DQ threads that last on this board are this shit. This isn't really a DQ thread, at best it's a stealth-SE thread, and at worst it's a stealth-/pol/fag thread. Awful.
moron, you were linked CDprojekt red talking about how they have to meet their investors demands in vidya, literally forcing change and forcibly inserting narratives to meet their investment approval. You literally have Larry himself saying just that and you're sat there pretending otherwise.
Yeah, it's almost like CDPR is a major developer and publisher, and when their stock took a hit from a guy getting too rowdy on their 2077 socials, they needed to kneel to investors for their dream game that would take 8 years to develop.
This is also ignoring that what the CDPR video describes is pretty much the ethos of most CRPGs.
He's made it deathly clear that defending BR is ideological for him.
DQ is shit. Deal with it.
I'm giddy we have a Barry-level schizo for DQ on this board.
>you think if this shit was real they'd let you talk about it? Of course not.
They invented the term conspiracy theorist for a reason anon.
Letting someone talk about it to people they have convinced you are a buzzword they made up is exactly what they would do.
>None of you people play DQ lol. 148 IPs here and I'm willing to bet only about 5 people on Ganker have ever actually finished a DQ game.
Yeah I was about to say this too, people are obviously in this thread only because they see a news headline that says square enix and they sense tortanic drama, hardly anyone in here actually plays DQ.
I play DQ, I just haven't built up a cult of personality around Horii and recognize that he can shit up the series if he gets stupid ideas.
Same.
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T THINK THE SERIES IS GOING IN A BAD DIRECTION
Literally cattle logic. A real fan is willing to criticize or jump ship if the series is going somewhere isn't for you anymore
nobody asked you discordtrannies
>So, killed Final Fantasy, should we drop killing Dragon Quest like retards too?
>Naaaaahhhh. We keep following what people that never buys our games say.
I wish I could say I'll miss SE, but I've been missing what they were since a decade and half.
FF16 should be a warning. I can't believe they expected that slop to be a genre-defining title.
I expected a FFR7 thing completely against the tone of the series.
I will be buying Dragon Quest Monsters 4 on the Nintendo Switch along with all my friends like we did the GBC original in like 2001.
Another thing is that in Dragon Quests the hero is a saint. Even when he seems to be a normal guy, you have things like him being immune to dark magic or some shit like that, and later on he discovers to be the bearer of something unique that makes him "divine" and different from the rest of mortals.
This goes against the idea of a mature story where the hero needs to be full of flaws and in the end confess that he's just like the villain, and pass the baton to some bald lesbian feminist woman who will symbolically represent the redemption of humanity.
Westernization is an ongoing process in Japan that could result in their games eventually becoming just as bad. This industry has been chasing the mirage of "realism" for so long that we're forgetting everything that made it great.
Dragon quest is finished and japan will torch SE to the ground in revenge
>>The BIGGEST franchise bar none in Japan
Pokemon has been bigger since its inception, and now Animal Crossing is the #1 with New Horizons. Splatoon is up there too.
But every anime proclaims the significance of DQ in Japan so it must be true.
All that Dragon Quest is supposed to be is just the adventure-seeking light-hearted fun of the original Dragon Ball manga, but in video game format with a fantasy theme. It's fucking supposed to be lighthearted and jolly with some darker tones here and there, but overall just a good time. It's the video game equivalent of comfort food. How can Square not fucking understand this?
Every person who says this has never actually played a Dragon Quest game.
Explain why you disagree with that you moron. I've played 3, 5, 8, and 11, and they all feel like a good shounen manga as far as the plot goes, complete with Toriyama's signature perverted humor peppered throughout.
I believe in Yuji Horii.
Why did this idea that the West only prefers grimdark games start anyway? Like as far back as changing the cover art for games to look realistic or giving Kirby angry eyebrows.
>Like as far back as changing the cover art for games to look realistic or giving Kirby angry eyebrows
Kirby eyebrows was because it didn’t look “cool” enough more so than grimdark per se, and the former is just because marketers hate drawings for some reason
>SE is retarded
It feels like AI controlled corporation trying to design and sell their products to humans
Ironically, they also made that one AI game
Symbiogenesis?
I haven't seen a word of that once they said it uses NFTs.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2280000/SQUARE_ENIX_AI_Tech_Preview_THE_PORTOPIA_SERIAL_MURDER_CASE/
This one actually, which is somewhat related to DQ since the original creator was Horii.
have they learned nothing from Bomberman Zero?
i figured "we're making it for a more mature audience" just meant "we aren't going to keep pussifying it to get an A rating when CERO keeps moving the goalposts to make it harder"
if they're actually changing the game that's stupid
Square Enix is so incompetent that I just want them to explode already.
>AAA studios refuse to make JRPGs anymore
>AA studios are dying off, making JRPG releases rare
>Japanese indies almost don't exist, and Western indies keep making 'JRPG' style games stuffed full of terrible politics that render them unplayable
What the fuck are we supposed to do at this point?
It's basically just Atelier, Trails, and occasionally something from Atlus at this point.
>kid friendly origins
Maybe in Japan but it wouldn't be considered as such in the west considering the amount of sexual jokes/implied (if even) lewdness there is.
This gay journalist never played any DQ and it show.
I hate Square-enix so much, first they ruined FF by and now DQ. I hope the japs are willing to heavily push against it.
>I hope the japs are willing to heavily push against it.
pretty sure the flop of 16 has them taking a second look at there plans for DQ, someone is getting told to redo everything.
>I hope the japs are willing to heavily push against it.
the nips will unironically kyoani squeenix if they dare change DQ into an action game, especially after the absolute flop that was FF16 in japan
it's like turning mainline MH into a turn based game.
You are forgetting the most important part about the success of this series: Toriyama.
He is still working with them for DQ12?
If I remember right, he wasn't really intereset to make arts for another game after DQ11.
Maybe the whole grim dark shit is a way to cope with it because they won't have Toriyama's character design, so they wanted to shift everything.
i really hope they don't make dragon quest 12 a movie game like final fantasy 16
Square Enix is not struggling to make Dragon Quest anything, they don't develop those games, they just have sole publishing rights.
actually they did develop 10 and 11 and as you know they are the two worst numbered DQ games
they should have stuck to publishing them
>10 and 11 and as you know they are the two worst numbered DQ games
??? sarcasm?
11 is the worst jrpg I've ever played, and I really love 8
oh so just dogshit or ps2babby taste
8 is a joke when compared to 11
The dude seethes about Sylvando.
11 is garbage, only those the only DQ game they played is 11 think it's good
as for 10 it's a MMO therefore trash
Dragon quest has been dogshit for a while though, they shouldn't abandon turn based but their story AND their gameplay has been so bitch basic that it luls anyone who didn't grow up on it to sleep. Hell, they've kept adding shit to the game that speeds it up or automates it to the point where its almost playing itself and that is never a good sign for the game or the playerbase
All they have to do is not make it mature, not try and make it into an action game like FFXVI and not put it on the playstation, simple as.
DQ12 has a the most likable gay character in gaming, Journos need to close their mouth for once.
Is Sylvando even gay? Sure he's very flamboyant but still.
That's partly the reason right there. Western games are so on the nose as to make gay characters practically say " I have sex with men" in every game they have gay characters instead of prioritizing an interesting character first.
No, he's explicitly straight in the game, had a fiance at one point, drops the overly flamboyant talking during act 3 when he's at his dads castle, and the story quite literally spells out that the only reason he acts fabulous is because it brings joy and smiles to peoples faces and he'd rather do that than be just another random grunt in an army.
>most likable gay character in gaming
he's one of the worst characters in the game you gay loving moron
Turn based RPG are shit, those "mature" audience who can handle watching cutscenes and pressing A for 80 hours do not exist anymore.
Thread needs more Alena
just replace slimes with boobs
Based, can't wait for sex scenes in DQ12 and 7R2.
If 7R2 doesn't have a Tifa puffpuff scene I'm not buying it.
SOON
Reddit Quest 11 was garbage and a disgrace to the series
i have no hope for 12 to be good
Remember when Square Enix weren't the most retarded gaming company on the planet?
Yeah, I 'member because Sega still exists
90% of your spammed threads never make it past 100 posts, though.
Wait is it out already? Damn
I have denied them the western market for the denying me DQMJ3
>Dragon Quest
>kid friendly
That's what happens when the localizers are mouthbreathing autists trying to please redditors with their corny ass humor. Dragon Quest is as well for the kid as for the adults, it's for all ages, literally everyone plays DQ in Japan.
Kill localizers. Behead localizers. Roundhouse kick a localizer into the concrete. Slam dunk a localizer baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy chudslators. Defecate in a localizer's food. Launch localizers into the sun. Stir fry localizers in a wok. Toss localizers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a localizer's gas tank. Judo throw localizers into a wood chipper. Twist localizers heads off. Report localizers to the IRS. Karate chop localizers in half. Curb stomp pregnant chudlators. Trap localizers in quicksand. Crush localizers in the trash compactor. Liquefy localizers in a vat of acid. Eat localizers. Dissect localizers. Exterminate localizers in the gas chamber. Stomp localizer skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate localizers in the oven. Lobotomize localizers. Mandatory abortions for localizers. Grind localizer fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown localizers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize localizers with a ray gun. Kick old localizers down the stairs. Feed localizers to alligators. Slice localizers with a katana.
Total localizer death.
>Dragon Quest is as well for the kid as for the manchild
fixed
it's just like tranime a medium for children and manchildren
>tranime
thanks for making it clear that you're an underage newfag
>oh you dislike muh tranime! then you are an underage!
the absolute state of manchild weebs
What does anime have to do with weebs, tourist?
>*tranime
fixed
>doesn't even know what "weeb" means
Thanks for the confirmation that you're a retarded normalfag kid
that's video games thoughever
gonna be wild when the scientific community agrees on the links between autism and transgenderism
>Dragon Quest is as well for the kid as for the adults, it's for all ages, literally everyone plays DQ in Japan.
So it's kid friendly.
Mature DQ? What the fuck could that even mean. SEX? The Slime is going to digest a child in his acidic body?
DQ chuds wanting to play the same boring shit every game are worse than yakuza shit eaters lol. Glad 12 will be the first interesting game in the series
I forgot, which one was deeper in the shitter: Sega or Square?
the miku gacha is the only thing making sega money. yakuza sells like shit and hyenas will bomb
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED JAPANESE FAN SERVICE???
that show was catshit though
to be fair I made the mistake of watching it while it aired, so the fanservice was censored, but even nudity couldn't save that trash